Oct 13, 2026 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting

GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

[A. WORK SESSION]

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MISS JORDAN OR MISS COLTON? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'M JACKIE COLTON, THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND I AM HERE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEXT PRESENTERS. SO THIS WORKSHEET WORK SESSION PRESENTATION WILL BE BY HANOVER.

THEY ARE PROPOSING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF POLK AND PARKERVILLE ROAD. SO THEIR REQUEST INCLUDES A FABULOUS MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT AND WITH NO FURTHER ADO, I'M GOING TO INVITE BEN LUKEY OF HANOVER PROPERTIES AND AARON DUNCAN OF MESA DESIGN GROUP, WHO WILL BE LEADING THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS COLTON. GENTLEMEN, AS YOUR APPROACH, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE BEFORE YOU START YOUR PRESENTATION. MY NAME IS BEN LUEDKE WITH HANOVER PROPERTY COMPANY.

I LIVE IN DALLAS, TEXAS. AARON DUNCAN WITH MESA DESIGN GROUP LIVE IN COPPELL, TEXAS.

YOUR LAST NAME? I'M SORRY. DUNCAN. DUNCAN. THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE YOU ALL ALLOWING US TO HAVE THIS WORKSHOP TONIGHT. WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT.

WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAFF AND, AND, AND COUNCILMAN THROUGH OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A VISION THAT WE FEEL THAT'S GOOD WITH THIS PROJECT. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE NEVER DONE ANYTHING SOLO.

BUT WE'VE DONE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IN MANSFIELD AND GRAND PRAIRIE AND IN MIDLOTHIAN AS WELL.

WE'RE MAINLY A SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT ALSO HAS DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES IN IT.

AND SOME OF THEM ARE MIXED USE AS WELL. WE ARE THE HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT WE DO IS PUT ALL THE AMENITIES IN ALL THE STREETS, IN ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THOSE THINGS. AND THEN WE SELL LAND OR IN THIS SOMETIMES LOTS, IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE OR COMMERCIAL IN THIS CASE, IT'LL BE MULTIFAMILY MIXED USE WITH COMMERCIAL AND APARTMENTS AND TOWNHOMES THAT WOULD BE WITH ANOTHER DEVELOPER AND THEY WOULD COME IN AND DO ALL THE DETAILED WORK AND ALSO BUILD THE VERTICAL IMPROVEMENTS.

HANOVER PROPERTY COMPANY, LIKE I SAID, WOULD COME IN AND PUT ALL THE MAJOR CIVIL INFRASTRUCTURE IN AND WATER, STREETS, SIGNAGE, LIGHTS, ALL THE HARDSCAPE AND LANDSCAPE, THE PARKS ALL THE WALKING PATHS, ALL THOSE COMMUNITY IMPROVEMENTS WE WOULD DO OURSELVES, AND THEN WE WOULD SELL THE LAND TO THE DEVELOPER TO DEVELOP.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, THAT'S, THAT'S WHO WE ARE.

AND THAT'S THE, THE, THE PATH THAT WE'RE WORKING FORWARD ON THIS, THIS PROJECT HERE.

AND THEN AARON'S THE EXPERT WHO HAS THE NICE WORDS AND HE CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT, I APPRECIATE IT. GOOD EVENING.

IS THERE A CLICKER ON THIS IF I WANT TO ADVANCE THE SLIDES OR I JUST JUST SO I'M WITH MESA DESIGN GROUP.

I'M A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT AND PLANNER, SO WE CREATE A LOT OF THESE VISIONS WITH HANOVER LOOKING AT THE, THE EXISTING CONSTRAINTS COME UP WITH THE DESIGNS AND SITE PLANS, HELP FORMULATE THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SO FORTH.

BUT ALSO THEN WE STAY ON AS THE PROJECTS GET DEVELOPED AND HANOVER STARTS IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THE AMENITIES, THE ENTRY FEATURES, WE STAY INVOLVED AND CREATE THE DESIGNS, MAKE SURE THEY COME TO LIFE AS PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE GET BUILT. AND SO I JUST WANT TO WALK THROUGH.

WE HAVE A PDF THAT WALKS THROUGH THE CONCEPT DESIGN. AND THEN WE DO HAVE A 3D DESIGN.

IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER WAY TO KIND OF VISUALIZE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING OUT THERE.

BUT ONE OF THE KEY CONSTRAINTS, THE KEY DESIGN PILLARS WE DO ON ANY PROJECT IS WE ALWAYS LOOKED AT THE LAND, WHAT IS THE LAND TELLING US TO DO? HOW DO WE MAKE THIS PROPERTY? WHETHER IT'S A MIXED USE, A SINGLE FAMILY, A PARK, WHATEVER IT IS, HOW DOES THIS FIT INTO THE EXISTING FEATURES? THAT HELPS TRADE AUTHENTIC DESIGN. AND THIS PROPERTY HAS A LOT OF EXISTING NATURAL FEATURES.

THERE'S MULTIPLE PONDS THAT ARE CUTTING THROUGH THE PROJECT THAT THEN EXTEND INTO A CITY PARK TO THE NORTH.

THERE'S A LOT OF EXISTING TREES AROUND THAT. SO WE WANTED TO TRY TO CREATE THIS ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE CAN ENHANCE THOSE EXISTING PONDS, TURN THOSE INTO AMENITIES. SO YOU SEE SOME OF THE IMAGES ON THE SCREENS HERE.

WE'RE REALLY PEOPLE LOVE WATER. AND THIS IS UTILIZING THE WATER THAT'S ALREADY THERE.

SO WE WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE PONDS AND CREATE THIS KIND OF, CENTRAL GREEN SPACE THAT EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK ON TO.

SO YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE IMAGES ON THE ON THE SCREEN HERE.

IT'S JUST STARTING TO INVOKE THE CHARACTER OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE HERE.

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AS WE GO THROUGH THIS DESIGN, I KNOW THIS PROJECT IS, I THINK COINED RIGHT NOW IS BEND BROOK.

THAT'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE THE NAME. ONCE THIS DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS. WE WANT TO HAVE THE BRANDING, THE STORY THAT WE'RE TRYING TO TELL WITH THE THE DESIGN, THE OPEN SPACE, THE AMENITIES TO REALLY ALSO KIND OF PLAY OFF OF THE NAME.

SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF STARTING TO COME UP WITH SOME OF THE NAMING IDEAS.

AS YOU KNOW, PART OF THE BRANDING, THE STORYTELLING THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE IN THE EXPERIENCE.

AND SO I THINK ON THE AGENDA COMES OFF AS BEN BROOK, BUT THAT'S JUST THAT'S THE PAST HISTORY.

THIS IS A NEW DEVELOPMENT. AND THERE'LL BE A NEW NAME THAT COMES OUT OF THIS. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT SOME IDEAS OF HOW WE LOOKED AT THIS. THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, THE LAYOUT. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE HERE, I'LL RUN THROUGH THIS HIGH LEVEL AND ALL THE, ALL THE COMPONENTS BEYOND THIS WITH THE OPEN SPACE AND THE TRAILS.

BUT THIS IS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PARKERVILLE AND POLK.

YOU SEE THE EXISTING GREEN KIND OF FENDERS, THE PONDS THAT ARE CUTTING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT THAT GO FROM THE SOUTHWEST TO THE NORTHEAST.

THOSE ARE EXISTING LAKES. THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE EXISTING TREES ARE. SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WHAT WE'RE SENSITIVE TO IS OBVIOUSLY PARKERVILLE DOES HAVE A KIND OF A STRONG OPPORTUNITY FOR A RETAIL COMPONENT.

SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE RED HIGHLIGHTED THERE, WHICH I'LL SUMMARIZE HERE IN A MINUTE.

BUT WE WANTED TO ALSO LOOK AT THE FRONTAGE ALONG POLK STREET, THE EXISTING PONDS AT POLK AND PARKERVILLE DO CREATE SOME DIMENSIONAL ISSUES THERE.

SO WE WANTED TO KEEP THOSE LAKES. BUT YOU'LL SEE THE IDEA HERE IS REALLY.

WE BROKE THIS INTO FOUR TRACKS. TRACK A WOULD BE A VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDING WHERE YOU'D HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL IN THE RED AREAS THAT ARE FRONTING ONTO PARKERVILLE. AND SO THAT WOULD BE YOUR MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES RETAIL TYPE COMPONENTS.

THAT WOULD BE MORE WALKABLE, COMPLEMENTARY TO WHAT'S WHAT'S ALONG THE PARKERVILLE CORRIDOR, BUT ALSO WHAT WOULD BE COMPLEMENTARY TO THE RESIDENTS THAT WOULD BE LIVING ON THIS PROPERTY OR NEARBY.

BUT THEN TRACK A, YOU'LL SEE THE GRAY KIND OF RECTANGLE THAT IS GOING TO BE A PARKING GARAGE.

THAT PARKING GARAGE IS REALLY SERVING THREE THREE USES.

ONE IS FOR THE RETAIL SPILLOVER RETAIL. THERE WILL BE PARKING ALONG THE FRONT OF THE RETAIL ALONG PARKERVILLE.

SO PEOPLE ARE PARKED, WALKED INTO THE THE STORES OR THE RESTAURANTS.

BUT IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, ANY MAJOR EVENTS HERE OR NEARBY, IF PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE, IF THE, IF THERE'S AN EVENT GOING ON, MAYBE IN THE PARK AREAS THAT WOULD HAVE SOME PUBLIC SPILLOVER PARKING SPACES, THEN THAT ALSO WOULD BE THE PARKING THEN FOR THE RESIDENTS IN TRACT A, TRACT B AND C.

YOU SEE THE LARGER RECTANGLES ON THE WESTERN PORTION.

THOSE WOULD BE 3 TO 5 STORY MULTIFAMILY. AND THE IDEA HERE IS THE BUILDINGS ARE BEING PUSHED CLOSER TO THE STREETS.

THE STREETS ARE THE PRIMARY DRIVES AS YOU COME IN, ARE REALLY GOING TO BE MORE OF YOUR PEDESTRIAN STREETSCAPE WHERE YOU HAVE PERPENDICULAR PARKING STREET TREES. WE WANT TO HAVE THE BUILDINGS PUSHED UP CLOSE TO THE TO THE STREET.

SO IT'S NOT A I'LL CALL IT LIKE A GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

THIS IS MORE LIKE A LIKE AN URBAN MIXED USE WHERE YOU HAVE UNITS RIGHT UP ON THE STREET, PEOPLE PARKING.

YOU HAVE KIND OF STREETSCAPE FEEL. BUT ON THE EAST SIDE OF TRACT B AND C, THE SMALLER KIND OF RECTANGLES, THOSE ARE TOWNHOMES. THOSE ARE MAXIMUM TWO STORY THE, THE 3 TO 5 STORY MIXED USE TO NOT BE WITHIN 120FT OF THE EASTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARY. WE WANTED TO BE SENSITIVE TO SETBACKS AND ADJACENCIES OF THE SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE EAST.

SO WE PUSHED THE MULTIFAMILY BUILDINGS FARTHER TO THE WEST, AND WE LOOKED AT LOCATING THE TOWNHOMES ALONG THAT EASTERN BOUNDARY.

AND THEN TRAGEDY WOULD BE JUST A MULTIFAMILY UNITS AS WELL.

BUT AGAIN, YOU'LL SEE WE'VE PUSHED ALL THE BUILDINGS ARE ARE PUSHED UP ONTO THOSE LAKES AND GREENBELTS.

THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO BRING THE OPEN SPACE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE THE PEOPLE IN THE STREETSCAPE REALLY EMBRACE THE THE EXISTING FEATURES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

AND SO THE PARKING IS REALLY CLUSTERED BEHIND THE BUILDINGS AND LITTLE PODS.

AND SO THE IDEA IS WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THIS, WHEN YOU DRIVE ALONG POTTERVILLE OR POLETOWN, YOU LOOK IN, YOU SEE AMENITIES, YOU SEE STREETSCAPE, YOU SEE THE BUILDING FACADES, YOU DON'T SEE A SEA OF PARKING LOTS.

AND SO YOU KIND OF SEE HOW WE'VE USED THE BUILDINGS TO KIND OF SHIELD THOSE AND, AND TUCK THE PARKING BACK BEHIND.

THIS IS A 3D SNAPSHOT. THIS WOULD BE KIND OF LOOKED IN, YOU KNOW, NORTHEAST ON THIS PART OF THE ROAD ON THE BOTTOM THAT GOES OFF TO THE RIGHT.

AND POLK IS IN THE THE EXHIBIT THAT GOES TO THE LEFT, THE STREET THAT'S OFF TO THE LEFT OF THE EXHIBIT.

SO YOU GET A SENSE HERE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE BUILDINGS HERE ARE SHOWN ARTICULATION, BUILDING MATERIALS.

THIS IS KIND OF THE FINAL DESIGN BY ANY MEANS.

THIS IS JUST TRYING TO GET YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THE STYLE OF THE BUILDINGS WOULD COULD BE, BUT ALSO THE STEEL.

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IT'S REALLY THERE TO SERVE AS A KIND OF EXTRA PARKING SPILLOVER.

IT SO IT WOULD NOT BE VISIBLE, WOULD BE TUCKED BEHIND THE MIXED USE FACADE.

SO YOU'D HAVE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WHAT YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO SEE IS EITHER THE RETAIL OR THE BALCONIES OR THE MULTIFAMILY FACADES, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE IDEA OF HOW THAT GREEN FENDER KIND OF STRETCHES UP TO THE NORTH, TO THE NORTH OF OUR PROPERTY, THERE'S A DETENTION POND. THAT'S PART OF AN ADJACENT SUBDIVISION.

THERE'S ALSO A CITY PARK. RIGHT NOW THERE'S REALLY NO PROGRAMING IN THE PARK.

BUT WHAT WE ARE ENVISIONING IS THAT TRAILS AROUND THIS THESE THIS LAKE AREA WILL THEN EXTEND UP INTO THAT CITY PARK.

THERE MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY EVENTUALLY TO EXTEND THAT TRAIL CONNECTION INTO THE CITY PARK AND FURTHER DOWN DEEPER INTO THE ADJACENT COMMUNITIES.

SO WE WITHIN THE CONCEPT DESIGN, WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE BUILDINGS ARE THINGS THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE AND EXPERIENCE, BUT THEN THERE'S ALL THE EXTRA ELEMENTS THAT ARE OUT THERE, RIGHT? THERE'S THE ENTRY FEATURES THERE, THERE'S NEIGHBORHOOD ENTRIES, THERE'S LANDSCAPE BUFFERS HOW WE HANDLE THE DIFFERENT DRIVEWAY STANDARDS.

AND SO THE IDEA HERE, WE'RE REALLY DESIGNING OUR PARKERVILLE, THE RED CIRCLE, THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR MAIN DRIVE COMING IN THE LARGER RED CIRCLE THERE.

YOU SEE BETWEEN THE RETAIL. SO THAT MAIN DRIVE, THAT BLUE LINE THAT COMES THROUGH, EXCUSE ME, THAT'LL BE YOUR PRIMARY DRIVE THAT COMES OFF OF PARKSVILLE AND PORT, AND THEY MEET THERE AT THE MIDDLE.

SO THAT RED ASTERISK IN THE MIDDLE IS GOING TO BE A WE CALL IT THE CENTRAL HUB.

THAT'S GOING TO BE AN AREA WHERE THERE'S GOING TO BE LARGE PLAZAS, GATHERING AREA SPACES FOR PROGRAMING EVENTS PASSIVE, YOU KNOW, ON, ON A, ON A NORMAL NIGHT, PEOPLE JUST SIT THERE AND HAVE AN EVENING TOGETHER.

MAYBE THEY GRAB A MEAL AT THE RESTAURANT AND WALK DOWN AND SIT BY THE WATER.

BUT YOU'LL SEE OUR IDEA HERE IS THE BLUE LINES ARE GOING TO BE ARE THE MAIN DRIVES.

THAT'LL BE WHERE YOUR KIND OF URBAN STREETSCAPE WILL HAVE YOUR STRONG PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS, YOUR BIG GREENBELTS AND SO FORTH. AND THEN THE LIGHTER PINK ASTERISKS, THOSE WILL JUST BE SECONDARY ACTIVE NODES, POCKET PARKS, MAYBE THEY'RE PASSIVE SEATING AREAS RECREATION AREAS.

SO THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO ADOPT SOME OF THESE LITTLE NODES ALONG THE OPEN SPACES AT THESE KEY INTERSECTIONS TO REALLY TRY TO ACTIVATE THESE GREEN SPACES, NOT JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF GRASS AROUND THE LAKE.

WE WANT TO HAVE THIS BE A KIND OF THE CENTRAL PART TO THIS PROJECT.

WE'VE BROKEN THIS DOWN INTO A COUPLE DIFFERENT ZONES, WHICH WE'LL GO THROUGH HERE AND KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THE DIFFERENT ENTRIES AND STREETS, JUST SO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT THE HARDSCAPE AND LANDSCAPE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING CHARACTER, STREET CHARACTER WILL LOOK LIKE. THIS IS THE FIRST THIS IS THAT MAIN ENTRY I JUST HIGHLIGHTED OFF OF PARKERVILLE.

THIS WILL BE THE DRIVE THAT COMES IN. YOU'D HAVE GROUND FLOOR RETAIL IN THE FRONT, SO WE WANTED TO PUSH THE BUILDINGS BACK AWAY FROM PARKERVILLE.

SO THIS WOULD BE CONVENIENT PARKING FOR THE RETAIL USES.

SO THEY HAVE CONVENIENCE. PEOPLE COME IN AND PARK AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GO TO THE PARKING GARAGE ON A, ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT THEY DIDN'T PARK RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS. BUT WE VIEW THIS AS OUR MAIN ENTRY FEATURE.

WE WANT TO UTILIZE THE BUILDINGS AS PART OF THE ARCHITECTURAL KIND OF GATEWAY FEELING AS YOU DRIVE THROUGH THIS, BUT ALSO OUT AT THE FRONT. LOOK AT SOME OF THE LANDSCAPING, THE ENHANCEMENTS, AND THE ENTRY SIGN LIGHTING IS A BIG COMPONENT.

WE LIKE TO INTEGRATE LIGHTING INTO THE DESIGN.

SO THE ENTRY FEATURE THERE IS KIND OF AN IDEA OF LIKE A GLOWING LANTERN.

SO AT NIGHT KIND OF HAS A NICE AMBIANCE, KIND OF A WARMTH OF PEOPLE.

AND THEY, THEY'RE COMING HOME OR, OR COMING TO, TO DINNER AT THE, AT THE RESTAURANTS OR THE SHOPS.

THIS IS THE OTHER SECONDARY ENTRY. THIS WOULD BE THE NORTHWEST AREA OFF OF POLK.

SO THIS IS AN IDEA WHERE, HOW YOUR ENTRY REALLY WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN.

THERE WOULD BE THE MIXED USE BUILDING ADJACENT TO IT, BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME IN OFF OF THIS ENTRY AND SHOWCASE THE AMENITY, THE OPEN SPACE FEELING. THEY DIDN'T SEE WHAT THE KIND OF THE IDEA OF THIS IS NOT JUST ANOTHER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO EMBRACE THE OPEN SPACE AND THE LAKE. SO AS THEY DRIVE IN, THEY SEE THAT THEY SEE THE AREAS THEY CAN UTILIZE AND GO TO.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TERTIARY ENTRIES. THESE WILL BE JUST SMALLER HARDSCAPES, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE, BRANDING COMPONENTS WITH THESE. THESE WILL BE SPRINKLED ON PORT AND PORTERVILLE AS WELL.

BUT AGAIN, THE HARDSCAPE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT RESEMBLES STONE MASONRY MATERIALS THAT ARE KIND OF APPROPRIATE TO THE AREA THAT ALSO TIE INTO THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN OF THE BUILDINGS TOO. THIS IS THE STREETSCAPE FEELING OF OF THE RETAIL.

I CALL IT THE RETAIL PROMENADE. SO WHEN YOU COME IN, WE WANT TO HAVE IT WHERE IT'S A VERY STRONG PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT.

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BUT THERE'S ALSO OPPORTUNITIES WHERE MAYBE THE RETAIL USER WANTS TO HAVE A LITTLE DISPLAY AREA OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR BUILDING FOR, FOR SOME OF THEIR PRODUCTS, OR MAYBE THEY WANT TO HAVE A LITTLE SEATING AREA. MAYBE IT'S A COFFEE SHOP, A LITTLE BISTRO SEATING OR WHATEVER, BUT WE WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH ROOM THERE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S LANDSCAPING, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN AREA THAT THE BUSINESSES CAN UTILIZE AS TYPE OF SPILLOVER SPACE.

BUT ALSO IT HELPS WITH BRANDING PEOPLE. THEY COME THROUGH, THEY SEE THE SIGNAGE, THEY'RE AWARE OF WHAT USES ARE THERE.

SO AS THEY DRIVE BY, WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THE VISIBILITY FOR THE RETAIL JUST TO HELP WITH ITS LONGEVITY.

THIS IS THE WESTERN ENTRY ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE.

SO THE THERE IS A LOT OF TOPOGRAPHY ON THIS SITE.

AND SO ONE OF THE IDEAS IS WITH THESE WITH THESE DRIVES, THIS DRIVE THAT COMES IN OFF OF POLK, WE'D LIKE TO UTILIZE TOPOGRAPHY TO OUR ADVANTAGE.

THE IDEA HERE IS THERE WILL BE SOME TYPE OF A CULVERT SYSTEM.

THERE'S ALL THE DRAINAGE THAT'S GOING THROUGH. THIS PROJECT STARTS FROM THE SOUTHWEST AND GOES TO THE NORTH. AND SO WE'D HAVE TO IT'D HAVE TO CROSS THROUGH THESE ROADS AT SOME POINT. SO WE LIKE TO LOOK AT HOW THESE, THESE CULVERTS WHETHER THEY'RE CULVERTS OR BRIDGES, IT'S A NICE ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE. WE LIKE TO DRESS THOSE UP.

SO THAT HAS A NICE, A NICE VISUAL APPEAL AS PEOPLE DRIVE IN.

WE LIKE THE TREE LINED STREETS. WE LIKE TO YOU KNOW, WITH THE MEDIANS, THE MEDIANS WILL VARY IN WIDTH.

AND SO IT HAS A NICE OPPORTUNITY FOR LANDSCAPING AS WELL, BUT WE WANT THE WATER TO BE CLOSE TO THE ROAD SO PEOPLE CAN SEE IT.

WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE DOWN IN A HOLE. WE WANT THEM TO BRING THE WATER UP.

PEOPLE CAN SEE IT, THEY FEEL IT, THEY CAN EMBRACE IT AND GO DOWN TO IT.

I THINK ON THE NEXT SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE SOME IMAGES OF HOW WE WANT TO DO SOME AMPHITHEATERS AND SOME PROGRAMING AROUND THE WATERFALLS AND THE THE LAKES.

AND THEN THIS IS ANOTHER SHOT OF THE RETAIL DRIVE. SO THIS WILL BE THE PARKING THAT'S ALONG PARKERVILLE PREDOMINANTLY USED FOR THE RETAIL COMPONENTS, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, MAYBE THERE'S GOING TO BE AN EVENT WHERE THEY WANT TO SHUT OFF PART OF THE PARKING AREA.

THEY CAN COME OUT, THEY CAN DO A FESTIVAL, MAYBE THERE'S LIVE MUSIC OR SOMETHING.

SO IT'S A, THE WAY THE, THE ACCESS TO THE PROJECT IS DESIGNED.

THERE ARE LITTLE SECTIONS OF THIS PARKING AREA YOU COULD CLOSE OFF FOR MAIN EVENTS FOR LARGE GATHERING SPACES, BUT THERE'S ALSO A LARGER GATHERING SPACES INSIDE THE OPEN SPACES FARTHER UP.

BUT WE WANT TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY THAT ALLOWS PROGRAMING AND KIND OF UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES DEPENDING ON TIME OF THE YEAR, MAJOR HOLIDAYS OR EVENTS OR WHAT HAVE YOU. AND THIS IS A LOOK ALONG THE MAIN CENTRAL KIND OF GREEN SPACE.

SO WITH THAT TOPO THAT TOPOGRAPHY CHANGE, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR THOSE AMENITY LAYOUTS WILL HAVE TO CHANGE GRADE.

SO THE IDEA IS HOW WE CAN INTEGRATE WATERFALLS INTO THIS.

THAT'S A NICE VISUAL APPEAL. WHEN PEOPLE WOULD DRIVE IN, THEY WOULD SEE THE WATERFALLS.

IT'S ALSO A NICE AMBIANCE. THERE'S A NICE SOUND TO THAT.

BUT WE WANT TO HAVE THIS WHERE PEOPLE CAN WALK DOWN THE TRAILS THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING ALONG THE WATER'S EDGE, AND IN FACT, PROBABLY EVEN CROSSING, THERE'LL BE A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OVER THE LAKE.

SO KIND OF A BOARDWALK FEEL. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE IMAGE ON THE BOTTOM IN THE MIDDLE.

BUT WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO GET DOWN AND FEEL CLOSE, TOUCH THE WATER, MAYBE SIT ON THE EDGE, PUT THEIR FEET IN IT. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S AN AMENITY.

WE WANT PEOPLE TO EMBRACE IT AND UTILIZE IT AND BE ABLE TO EXPLORE THE COMPONENTS ALONG THAT WHOLE CENTRAL GREEN.

IT'S ANOTHER IMAGE. IT'S FARTHER IN. THERE WILL BE A AN AMENITY NODE CLUBHOUSE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENTS HERE.

SO THERE WOULD BE A CLUBHOUSE FACILITY FOR THE RESIDENTS.

THERE WILL BE SOME PUBLIC SPACE WHERE THESE TRAILS, AGAIN, I THINK THE TRAIL OPPORTUNITY HERE IS TO TAKE A CONNECTION FROM THE TRAILS ALONG POLK EXTEND IT THROUGH THIS GREENBELT, ULTIMATELY TIE INTO THE CITY PARK SYSTEM TO THE NORTHEAST.

BUT WE'D LOVE TO HAVE THESE OPEN SPACES. NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE HEAVILY PROGRAMED. A LOT OF THESE OPEN SPACES YOU'LL SEE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OR BOTTOM RIGHT KIND OF FUNCTION ON A DAILY BASIS BASIS. WHEN WHEN NO ONE IS THERE, THEY'RE USABLE.

BUT THEN YOU HAVE MAJOR EVENTS LIKE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT, YOU CAN USE THE AMPHITHEATER FOR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A STAGE OR AN EVENT OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO. THIS IS THE CENTRAL HUB. SO THAT'S THAT LARGE ASTERISK RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROJECT.

THE IDEA WAS WE WANTED TO HAVE A SPACE THAT REALLY WAS VERY FLEXIBLE, BUT IT'S ALSO LARGE TO ACCOMMODATE LARGE EVENTS.

SO THIS IS AT THE BOTH ENTRY DRIVES OFF OF PORTERVILLE TO TERMINATE AT THIS SPOT.

AND SO WE WANTED TO HAVE WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA FOR A STAGE, A GATHERING AREA, AN AMPHITHEATER. SO AGAIN, IF YOU WANT TO DO A LARGE EVENT OR FESTIVAL, THERE IS A SPACE.

YOU CAN DO THIS WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN ANY OF THE ROADS, BUT IT'S ALSO A SPACE THAT CAN BE UTILIZED ON JUST A NORMAL AFTERNOON.

PEOPLE CAN GRAB THEIR LUNCH. IF PEOPLE ARE RESIDENTS ARE JUST WANTING TO TAKE A BREAK.

MAYBE THEY'RE WORKING FROM HOME. THEY WANT TO TAKE A BREAK AND GET AWAY FROM EVERYTHING. THIS IS REALLY KIND OF INTENDED JUST FOR KIND OF FLEXIBLE USERS OF ALL KINDS.

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IT'S A PROGRAMABLE SPACE THAT WORKS YEAR ROUND AS WELL.

JUST A COUPLE MORE IMAGES LOOKING BACK ON THAT.

THERE WOULD BE OTHER LITTLE SPRINKLING NODES SPRINKLED THROUGHOUT.

IT MIGHT JUST BE PASSIVE SEATING AREAS, MAYBE A LITTLE PAVILION OUTDOOR LIVING SPACES AND SO FORTH.

TRAILS OR TRAILS ARE ALWAYS THE NUMBER ONE AMENITY PEOPLE DESIRE.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF THE FOCUS HERE IS THAT THE TRAILS REALLY FUNNEL ALL THE BUILDINGS, FUNNEL PEOPLE DOWN TO THIS SPACE AND THEN LINK IT UP TO THE MAIN RETAIL COMPONENTS UP AT THE FRONT, BUT ALSO LINK UP TO THE ADJACENT SIDEWALKS ALONG POLK AND PARKERVILLE TOO.

AND THIS IS JUST GETTING INTO SOME OF THE HEART SHAPE AND LANDSCAPE CHARACTER. WHEN WE GET INTO DESIGNING THE ENTRY FEATURES, WE ALWAYS LOOK AT MATERIALS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE FOR HARDSCAPE, FOR LANDSCAPE.

NOT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE MANICURED. THERE IS AN APPROPRIATENESS FOR MANICURED TURF.

WE DO LIKE LOOKING AT NATIVE COMPONENTS, NATIVE GRASSES, NATIVE PLANTINGS AND AREAS THAT ARE APPROPRIATE AS WELL.

SO IT HAS TO HAVE A NICE VISUAL. YOU KNOW, THE OPEN SPACE CHARACTER DOESN'T ALWAYS HAVE TO BE CLEAN AND PRISTINE.

IT'S GOING TO BE HAVE MORE OF A WETLAND, RIPARIAN AREAS.

AND SO I THINK THE LANDSCAPING CAN EVOLVE AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE WATER, BUT ALSO AS WE GET BACK INTO MORE NATIVE UNDISTURBED AREAS, ESPECIALLY WITH A LOT OF THE EXISTING TREES AND SHADE, WE THINK THAT WOULD BE A VERY GOOD LOOK AND FEEL AS THAT THE FESTOON LIGHTING IN THE UPPER RIGHT, THAT'S JUST AN IDEA OF LIKE THOSE ACTIVE NODES WHERE YOU CAN HAVE SOME SOME SPACES THAT ARE UTILIZED AT NIGHT.

AND JUST LOOKING AT SOME IDEAS OF HOW THE, THE PRIMARY SIGNAGE AND BRANDING CAN PLAY OFF OF BOTH POLK AND PORTERVILLE.

SO WE'VE BROKEN THIS UP INTO DIFFERENT STREET TYPES.

SO THE IDEA IS EVERYTHING IN A COLOR HERE, THE RED, THE BLUE, THE GREEN, THOSE ARE WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING THE PRIMARY DRIVES.

AND SO THOSE WOULD BE THE RED AND THE BLUE WOULD HAVE AN ENTRY WOULD HAVE A MEDIAN IN THAT.

SO THAT WOULD BE NEAR THE MAIN ENTRY. YOU'D HAVE A LARGE MEDIAN LANDSCAPING, BUT THOSE WOULD ALL BE ON STREET PARKING.

THE IDEA IS IT'S A IT'S NOT SERVING AS LIKE A NEIGHBORHOOD STREET WHERE IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A DRIVE AND THERE'S NO PARKING OR ANYTHING.

THE IDEA IS THE PARKING WOULD BE HERE ON THE RED, THE BLUE AND THE GREEN TO DENY PEOPLE ACCESS.

WE WANT REALLY A SHARED INTEGRATED FEELING. SO PEOPLE INTERACT.

A OR B CAN PARK ON THESE STREETS OVERNIGHT, BUT THEN THE MAJORITY OF THE PARKING IS EITHER IN THE PARKING GARAGE OR TUCKED BACK BEHIND THE BUILDINGS.

THAT WOULD BE THE AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE ANY COLOR. THOSE WOULD JUST BE YOUR STANDARD KIND OF PARKING LOTS.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THIS IS WHERE THOSE PARKING AREAS ARE KIND OF TUCKED BACK BEHIND THE PRIMARY STREETS, WHERE YOU'D HAVE THE STRONG PEDESTRIAN SCALE STREET SCAPE ON STREET PARKING WOULD BE THE RED, BLUE AND GREEN STREETS. WE'VE INCLUDED STREET SECTIONS ON HERE SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE MAIN ONE COMING IN.

THE IDEA IS HERE AGAIN, WE WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH SPACE FROM THE EDGE OF THE PARKING TO THE BUILDINGS THAT YOU HAVE LANDSCAPING. YOU HAVE A VERY WIDE PEDESTRIAN ZONE, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THAT SPILLOVER SPACE FOR SOME OF THE THE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL USES.

AGAIN, THE BISTRO SEATING OR HAVE WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO WE WANT TO LOOK AT THESE DIMENSIONS THAT GIVE YOU FLEXIBILITY, BUT ALSO THE SCALE FITS WITH TRYING TO BALANCE BOTH PEDESTRIAN AND VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

THIS IS JUST THE ENTRY DRIVE AS WELL. WE HAVE THE MEDIAN APPROACH AND THAT WOULD TAPER DOWN TO JUST A STANDARD DRIVE AS YOU GET DEEPER IN.

THIS IS YOUR RETAIL PARKING. SO WE HAVE A LONG PARKING.

WE DO HAVE A LANDSCAPE BUFFER SECTION BETWEEN THE PARKING AND PARKERVILLE, WHERE WE WOULD DO A LANDSCAPE BERM AND SOME SOME PLANTING.

WE BECAUSE IT'S A RETAIL COMPONENT ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WE DON'T WANT TO REALLY INTO A SCREENING COMPONENT WITH A SCREEN WALL OR A FENCE.

THAT'S KIND OF TO LIMIT THE VISIBILITY AND THE VIABILITY OF THE RETAIL.

SO WE'RE HANDLING IT WITH MORE OF A SOFTER BERM AND LANDSCAPING.

SO THEY'D STILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE RETAIL THERE, BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BARRICADE OR WALL IT OFF.

WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THE VISIBILITY OF THE RETAIL, BUT ALSO SOFTENING THE VIEWS OF THE PARKING AREAS AND SO FORTH AS YOU DRIVE ALONG.

PARKERVILLE. AND THIS WOULD JUST BE YOUR STANDARD KIND OF INTERNAL DRIVE WHERE YOU'D HAVE YOUR PARKING, YOUR DRIVE AISLE. MOST OF THOSE DRIVES WOULD ALSO SERVE AS THE FIRE LANE AS WELL FOR FIRE ACCESS FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS.

A COUPLE MORE EXAMPLES HERE. THE INTERIOR DRIVES.

THAT'S THE LAST SLIDE. SO THAT SUMMARIZES IN THE THEORY OF THE PLAN THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GENERATE.

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JUST SEE YOU HOW IT'S ANIMATED COMES TO LIFE A LITTLE BIT.

IT MIGHT HELP SHOWCASE THE, THE DESIGN A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THE PLANS, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THEN AFTER THIS.

THANK YOU, MR. DUNCAN AND MR. LIEDTKE. COMMISSIONERS, THIS IS A WORK SESSION.

AND THE POTENTIAL APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK.

SO I'LL TURN TO YOU GUYS AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER AURORA, WHAT'S THIS, A VIDEO, SIR? IT IS. IT'S IT'S FOUR MINUTES LONG. OKAY, BUT YOU CAN DO YOUR QUESTIONS.

NO, WE'D LIKE TO SEE THE VIDEO FIRST.

YOU CAN SEE HOW THE TOWNHOMES WERE LAID OUT TOO.

WE WANTED TO HANDLE THEM DIFFERENTLY, SO IT JUST IT WASN'T A ROW OF TOWNHOMES BACKING UP TO THE SINGLE FAMILY.

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IT'S A GREAT LOOKING PROJECT. I GUESS I HAVE A TWO PART QUESTION.

YOU MENTIONED THAT HANOVER IS PRIMARILY OVER JUST THE HORIZONTAL.

SO MEANING LIKE YOUR AMENITIES. AND THEN YOU WILL HAND OVER TO A DEVELOPER.

FIRST QUESTION, CAN YOU, I GUESS, POINT OUT EXACTLY WHICH PART OF THIS DESIGN YOUR COMPANY WILL BE OVER.

AND THEN THE SECOND PART, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK AS FAR AS WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN? ARE YOU GUYS STILL IN A PART OF THE DESIGN PHASE? LIKE, I KNOW THESE ARE GREAT CONCEPTS, BUT NOT THE ACTUAL FINAL DESIGN.

SO HOW INVOLVED ARE YOU ONCE YOU KNOW A DEVELOPER GETS INVOLVED AND IS THERE ALREADY A RELATIONSHIP THERE OR IS THAT SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO.

YOU GUYS WILL COME WITH AFTER THE GROUNDWORK IS ALREADY LAID.

SO SO WE WE'LL BE HEAVILY INVOLVED, JUST LIKE WE ARE IN ANY PROJECT WE DO, WHETHER IT BE A BUILDERS OR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPER OR ANYTHING.

WE SET UP DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT IN THE PD ZONING DOCUMENT THAT THEY OUGHT TO FOLLOW.

BUT BEFORE THEY EVEN COME WITH YOU ALL, AND THEY'LL HAVE TO COME THROUGH YOU ALL WITH A DETAILED SITE PLAN AND TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS WELL.

BUT BEFORE ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENS, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A THEMING AND BRANDING THAT AARON WAS SPEAKING TO, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEIR BUILDINGS AND THEIR ELEVATIONS AND WHAT THEIR AMENITIES ARE GOING TO BE JUST FOR THEIR RESIDENCES, YOU KNOW, THEIR THAT ALL FITS WITHIN THE PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE AND OUR DESIGN.

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO. SO WE'RE VERY HANDS ON.

THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE STAY BECAUSE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, HAS OUR NAME ON IT.

AND AND SO WE ALWAYS HAVE A DICK HAS A SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE BEST THING IS, IS THAT IF SOMEBODY COMES BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD 30 YEARS FROM NOW, BECAUSE IT'S STILL A GREAT ENVIRONMENT, WE'RE HEAVILY INVESTED TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GO INTO MAKING SURE THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT MAINTAINS ITS QUALITY.

IT'S JUST NOT A BRIGHT NEW SHINY CAR. IT'S STILL A BRIGHT NEW SHINY CAR.

30 YEARS FROM NOW. AND SO WITH EACH DEVELOPER COMES IN LIKE IT'S YOU CAN SEE THERE'S FOUR TRACKS.

SO WE'RE BASICALLY THINKING THERE'S FOUR DEVELOPMENT PHASES IN HERE.

MAYBE MORE THAN ONE DEVELOPER, MAYBE FOUR DEVELOPERS, MAYBE TWO, WHO KNOWS.

BUT THEY'LL BE WITH PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH, NOT JUST A FLY BY NIGHT GUY.

AND WE'LL BE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE PREPARED TO COME WITH THE VISION THAT WE AGREE WITH, THAT WE PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT AND TO COUNCIL, HOPEFULLY.

AND THEN JUST TO FOLLOW UP, DO YOU DO PRE-WORK BEFORE A DEVELOPER IS INVOLVED? LIKE, I KNOW THIS DOES NOT MEAN APPROVED TONIGHT, BUT EVENTUALLY, IF THIS GETS APPROVED.

ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO LAY THAT GROUNDWORK BEFORE WE EVEN GET DEVELOPERS INVOLVED, OR IS THERE A FULL PACKAGE FIRST BEFORE YOU GUYS BREAK GROUND? SO IN OUR PD DOCUMENT RIGHT NOW THAT'S IN FRONT OF STAFF, IT'S IT IS A FRAMEWORK, IF YOU WILL.

IT MAPS OUT NOT JUST THIS. IT MAPS OUT WHERE THE STREETS NEED TO GO.

IT DOESN'T GET INTO DETAILS THAT ARE IN A DETAILED SITE PLAN.

PARKING DUMPSTERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WHAT WE DO IS, IS WE HAVE DESIGN GUIDELINES THAT ARE DONE PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WE HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO BEFORE WE PUT A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND.

AND SO IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL TO GET THERE. AND SO WITH THAT, WE'LL BE, WE'LL BE COMING UP WITH THE DEVELOPMENT ENTRIES, THE THEMING, THE BRANDING, THE STYLE OF BUILDINGS, THE AMOUNT OF MASONRY WE WANTED, THE BUILDINGS, THE AMOUNT OF PITCHED ROOFS OR FLAT ROOFS, ALL THOSE DESIGN ELEMENTS WILL BE ON THE FRONT END BEFORE ANYBODY COMES TO YOU.

AND THEY'RE MAKING SURE THAT A, THEY'RE FITTING WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PD ZONING, BUT ALSO SHOWING THE STYLE AND ARCHITECTURE THAT WE WANT TO BELIEVE THAT WE BELIEVE IS CORRECT FOR THIS BUILDING. AARON MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING USING THE BUILDINGS AS BIG TOWERS AND ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.

ARCHITECT ARTICULATION, ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THINGS THAT WE WILL ALSO REQUIRE IN THE PD ZONING, BUT WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMING IN HERE AND PRESENTING WHAT WE THINK IS APPROPRIATE.

THAT ALSO FITS WITHIN THE PD DOCUMENT. YES. SORRY, THAT WAS LONG WINDED.

VICE CHAIR. YES. GOOD EVENING. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

HOW MANY ACRES IS THIS SITE? COMPLETELY. IT'S 50 ACRES.

50 ACRES? YES, SIR. TYPICALLY BEFORE THIS PROJECT.

CAN YOU TELL ME A PROJECT YOU'VE DONE IN THE DFW AREA? THIS THIS SIZE ACREAGE? YES. JUST UP THE ROAD IN GRAND PRAIRIE, WE HAVE ONE THAT'S 50 ACRES AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF STATE HIGHWAY 360 AND 287. IT'S CALLED IT'S CALLED SOUTH GATE. IN MIDLOTHIAN WE HAVE A LARGE 1000 ACRE MASTER PLANNED COMMUNITY THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPED.

IN GRAND PRAIRIE, THERE'S A PROJECT THAT WE'VE BUILT OUT THAT WAS AROUND 3000 HOMES AND OVER THAT MIRALAGO MAYOR LARGO'S SUMMERSET

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IT'S A 1000. IT'S ACTUALLY 1200 NOW. WE JUST BOUGHT ANOTHER 200.

OKAY. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, PRIOR TO THIS PROJECT, YOU'VE HAD ONE THAT WAS 50 ACRES.

YEAH. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAVE ANOTHER ONE THAT'S 70 ACRES ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT INTERSECTION AS WELL.

WE'VE DONE A LOT OF SMALLER DEALS THAT ARE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL, BUT MIXED USE.

THOSE ARE THE THE TWO THAT WE'VE DONE. AND, BUT WE'VE ALSO HAVE WITHIN OUR MASTER PLAN COMMUNITIES, WE'VE HAD 70 ACRE SITES THAT ARE STRICTLY FOR MULTIFAMILY AND MIXED USE WITHIN THOSE LARGER COMMUNITIES.

AND THEN HOW MANY DOORS WOULD YOU EXPECT HERE, WHETHER THEY'RE MULTI-FAMILY OR RESIDENTIAL? HOW MANY DOORS WOULD YOU EXPECT FOR THIS PLAN? RIGHT HERE IS ASSUMING RIGHT AROUND 1500. AND THAT INCLUDES THE TOWNHOMES.

SO THAT INCLUDES ALL DOORS THAT RESIDENTIAL DOORS, WHETHER THAT'S MULTIFAMILY TOWNHOMES OR SINGLE FAMILY.

OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. AND ON YOUR OTHER 50 ACRE PROJECT, HOW MANY DOORS DO YOU GUYS HAVE THERE? ABOUT THE SAME. WE HAVE LESS TOWNHOMES, BUT BUT MORE UNITS.

AND WHAT STATUS IS THAT ONE OUT. HAS IT ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED? THE, THE WE PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE FIRST PHASE IS BUILT, BUT THE APARTMENT MARKET IS A LITTLE A LITTLE SOFT.

SO THEY'RE HOPING TO START THE SECOND PHASE HERE IN 2027.

AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER DEVELOPER UNDER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE IN EARLY 2027 WHO WILL START IMMEDIATELY THERE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. COMMISSIONERS COMMISSIONER EDWARDS.

YES. GOOD EVENING. SO I JUST, WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS BEHIND THE MULTIFAMILY HOUSING AND THE TOWNHOMES. I MEAN, ONE OR THE OTHER.

WHAT WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS BEHIND BOTH OF THEM IN THE SAME DEVELOPMENT? SO IN TODAY'S, SO A LOT OF THE DEVELOPERS FOR MULTIFAMILY ALSO LIKE TO BUILD TOWNHOMES.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS AARON MENTIONED IN THE PRESENTATION ADJACENT TO SINGLE FAMILY, WE DON'T BELIEVE A 3 TO 4 STORY MULTIFAMILY LOOKING DOWN INTO A SINGLE FAMILY LOT ON THE EAST SIDE IS A VERY GOOD IS USE.

AND SO A GOOD BUFFER TO THAT IS ALSO A TOWNHOUSE AND, AND THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE TWO STORY HOMES OVER THERE TO THE EAST OR ONE STORY AND THESE WILL BE MAX TWO STORY HOMES. SO IT'LL FIT IN BETTER WITH YOUR ADJACENCIES.

BUT THEY'LL ALSO FIT IN GOOD. IT JUST GIVES A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PRODUCT FOR A RENTER THAT WANTS TO COME IN HERE AND RENT.

HE MAY NOT WANT TO BE IN A THE FOUR STORY. HE MAY WANT TO HAVE HIS OWN GARAGE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT COME WITH THE TOWNHOME.

SO IT'S JUST GOOD TO HAVE A MIXTURE OF TYPE OF PRODUCTS FOR RESIDENTIAL.

SO IF I WERE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'VE DONE, WOULD THAT BE LIKE HIGHWAY 360 AND 287? OR WHERE COULD WE LOOK AT THE ACTUALITY OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS? YES, MA'AM. NORTHEAST CORNER OF 287 AND 360. SOUTH GATE IS THE NAME OF THE PROJECT SOUTH GATE.

YES, MA'AM. AND COMMISSIONER EDWARDS, I WAS GOING TO ASK STAFF TO GET A LIST OF SOME OF THOSE COMPARABLE SITES.

IN CASE WE WOULD LIKE TO DRIVE BY AND TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THEM.

THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YES, WE WE'VE, WE'VE PROVIDED A BOOK AS WELL TO STAFF AND, AND TO TO GUS AND TO OTHERS AS WELL.

THAT HAS A LIST OF ALL OF OUR PROJECTS IN IT, BUT WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO LIST ALL OF OUR PROJECTS AND GIVE YOU ALL THE ADDRESSES.

YOU GO DRIVE BY ALL OF THEM. WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THEM.

SO THANK YOU, CHAIR. WE'LL MAKE THAT AVAILABLE FOR YOU ALL.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ALEXIS, DO YOU HAVE ANY.

OKAY. YES, COMMISSIONER. WE KNOW THE CURRENT ZONING OF THIS PROPERTY.

YEAH. IT'S A PD FOR SINGLE FAMILY. OKAY. SO WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE A CHANGE FOR ALL OF THIS.

YES, SIR. OKAY. AND THEN DO WE KNOW WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS STATING FOR THIS AREA? YES. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND I THINK MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

EXCUSE ME. SO IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER.

YES. SO I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THIS UP. BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO MENTION THIS, THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE REFERS TO MEDIUM DENSITY. SO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE'RE GOING TO GO AGAINST THE FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WE DON'T DO. BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS AS A GUIDE, NOT A CODE. SO THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS SETUP.

THE WORKSHOP IS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'VE BEEN HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

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LAND USE ALSO INCLUDES NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD, MIXED USE AS WELL.

YES. THANK YOU JACK. YES, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

I DEFINITELY ECHO COMMISSIONER LAURA. AND THESE CONCEPTS ARE BEAUTIFUL.

THANK YOU. I HAVE TWO YOUNG ADULT SONS WHO HAVE BOTH GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE, AND I CANNOT ENCOURAGE THEM TO COME BACK TO DE SOTO RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF OPTIONS IN NEW MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. THAT'S THEIR PREFERENCE.

SO I THINK A PROJECT LIKE THIS COULD REALLY INCREASE THE VIBRANCY OF OUR CITY.

BRINGING YOUNGER FOLKS HERE WOULD INCREASE THAT VIBRANCY OF THE CITY.

BUT I DO ECHO HIS SENTIMENT ON HOW DO WE GO FROM THE BEAUTIFUL PICTURES AND CONCEPTS TO ENSURING THAT WHAT GETS IMPLEMENTED LOOKS PRETTY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE BEING SHOWN. SO AND YOU'VE, YOU'VE COVERED THAT QUITE A BIT AND WE'LL TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THAT IN FURTHER DETAIL.

BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER QUESTIONS. SPECIFICALLY THE, WHAT TYPE OF RETAIL ARE YOU ENVISIONING IN TRACK A AND I TOOK SOME NOTES. I'M GONNA READ IT AND THEN YOU CAN KIND OF ANSWER IT AS YOU CAN.

BUT WHAT TYPE OF RETAIL ARE YOU ENVISIONING IN TRACK A IF IT'S GROUND FLOOR RETAIL HAS ANY CONSIDERATION BEEN GIVEN TO PULLING THAT RETAIL CLOSER TO THE STREET EDGE.

I HEARD MR. DUNCAN TALK SEVERAL MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT THE VISIBILITY.

AND I THINK PULLING IT CLOSER TO THE STREET EDGE WOULD INCREASE THAT VISIBILITY AND BRING IT MORE NOTICEABLE, NOTICEABLE TO NOT ONLY MOTORISTS, BUT PEDESTRIANS AS WELL.

SO HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN? I KNOW YOU SHOWED A SLIDE THAT SHOWED SOME ACTIVITY IN THAT SPACE AND YOU CAN CLOSE OFF THAT SPACE FOR ACTIVITY.

RIGHT. SO JUST WONDERING IF YOU GAVE THAT ANY THOUGHT.

WE HAVE WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT IN THE RETAIL SECTOR I DON'T KNOW ABOUT Y'ALL, BUT I DON'T LIKE TO PARK A LONG WAYS TO GO TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING. AND SO WE FOUND THAT THE, IN ORDER FOR THE RETAIL TO BE SUCCESSFUL FOR OTHER PEOPLE BESIDES THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. AND THAT'S ONE THING THAT THIS, WE WANT THIS TO BE, AND I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT, IS THAT WHEN WE FIRST BROUGHT THIS CONCEPT AND COUNCILMAN WATERS WAS VERY EXCITED. HE WANTS THIS TO BE A YOUNG PROFESSIONAL BECAUSE THERE IS NO PLACE LIKE THAT HERE TO BRING PEOPLE TO DRAW PEOPLE TO THE CITY.

AND AND WE THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THIS VISION WAS BECAUSE OF, OF HIS VISION FOR THIS AREA.

AND, AND SO THIS WHOLE CONCEPT, WHILE IT'S GOT 1500 UNITS, IT'S NOT JUST FOR THESE, THESE RESIDENTS OF THESE UNITS, IT'S FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF PARKERVILLE, YOU'RE ALSO HAVING A BIG ENTERTAINMENT AREA WITH THE ARC AND MORE PLANS THROUGH THAT THAT ARE COMING THROUGH TO WHERE THIS IS A DESTINATION SPOT.

SO SO THE PARK, THE OPEN SPACE AND ALL THAT, THAT'S THAT'S CAN BE ACCESSED BY ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY THAT JUST WANTS TO COME AND HAVE A SANDWICH OR WHATEVER IT IS ON THE RETAILERS IN OUR ZONING, WE PUT THE LIST OF RETAILERS IN YOUR ONE OF YOUR ZONING, WE REFER TO ONE OF YOUR ZONING CLASSES, BUT WE EXCLUDED ALL THE OBNOXIOUS USES. SO NO TOBACCO SHOPS, NO THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE WANT HIGH CLASS TENANTS. WE DON'T WANT TO GO RENT THE SPACE JUST TO RENT THE SPACE.

YOU GOT TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE WE ARE, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE LONG TERM.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT RIGHT TENANT MIX IN THERE THAT NOT ONLY THE RESIDENTS ENJOY, BUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY WANTS THERE. AND, AND I THINK WE'RE PROVIDING THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT AS FAR AS THE PARKING GOES.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT IT AGAIN. IT JUST, IT DOESN'T LEND ITSELF WELL TO HAVING 40 TO 50,000FT² OF RETAIL AND HAVING THEM ALL PARK IN A GARAGE OR HAVING ONE ROW AND HAVING THE GARAGE BEHIND IT. IT JUST DIDN'T LEND ITSELF BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY THAT WE HAVE THERE WITH THE WATER AND ALL THAT STUFF IN THE BACK AND THE CREEKS AND THINGS. IT'S JUST IN OUR EXPERIENCE, IT'S BEEN MORE SUCCESSFUL WHEN YOU HAVE THE PARKING IN THE FRONT.

AND AND SO THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE IT TO GO THAT ROUTE.

YEAH. CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 24, MISS JORDAN? YOU GOT A GOOD MEMORY? YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO TO ADD UP TO SOME REAL QUICK MATH.

WHEN I SAW THIS SLIDE AND I WAS WONDERING HOW HOW MANY FEET BETWEEN THAT TRAVEL LANE AND THE FRONT DOOR OF THE GROUND RETAIL? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M AS I'M IF YOU'RE TRYING TO INCREASE THAT VISIBILITY AND CARS ARE PASSING AND THEY CAN'T SEE IT BECAUSE IT'S SO FAR BACK FROM THE ROADWAY. I WAS TRYING TO GET A VISUAL OF HOW MUCH SPACE IS BETWEEN THE TRAVEL LANE CLOSEST TO THE CURB AND THE FRONT DOOR OF THE RETAIL.

SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE WRONG CROSS SECTION. THIS IS THE ONE COMING IN OFF OF POLK.

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AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A DRIVE LANE, WHICH WILL BE 24FT AND THEN 20FT, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A BUFFER.

SO YOU'RE TALKING CLOSE TO ABOUT WHAT IS IT, 60FT IN THE PD.

WE HAVE IT. THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO BE AT LEAST 15, BUT NO MORE THAN 60FT FROM THE BACK OF CURB FROM THE EDGE OF PARKING.

SO YOU'D HAVE AT LEAST 15 FOOT FOR LANDSCAPING, A PEDESTRIAN ZONE.

BUT I THINK IN THE RETAIL WE WOULD WANT MORE BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THAT.

YOU WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH PEDESTRIAN SPACE, AT LEAST TEN, IDEALLY 12FT JUST TO WALK.

AND IF THERE IS SPILLOVER FOR LIKE THE RETAIL FRONT, THAT WOULD BE BEYOND THAT. SO BUT BUT IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE RETAIL TO PARK TO THE STREET. PARKERVILLE IS PROBABLY AROUND 60 TO 70FT.

BUT, BUT WE'LL ALSO HAVE WHICH WAS NOT DEPICTED IN HERE IS YOU'LL HAVE ON STREET SIGNAGE AS WELL AS SIGNAGE ON THE BUILDING.

SO PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE TENANTS AND HAVE THOSE THINGS AS WELL.

AND IT'LL BE AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE DESTINATION.

AND SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE. IT'S NOT JUST WE'RE NOT LOOKING FOR RETAIL STRIP CENTER THAT IS JUST DRIVE BY.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KNOW IT'S THERE AS WELL AS MARKETED WELL.

BUT, BUT, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S ABOUT 70FT. I WOULD SAY FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, AND I WOULD ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER.

YOU KNOW, SO MANY SO MUCH SPACE BETWEEN THE STREET, PERHAPS INSTEAD OF THE HEAD AND PARKING A ROW OF PARALLEL PARKING.

SO THAT KIND OF CUTS THAT SPACE IN HALF. THE LANDSCAPING IS GREAT, BUT IT DOES ALSO BLOCK SOME OF THE.

WE WON'T HAVE THOSE TALL TREES OUT THERE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE.

YEAH. AND SO BUT YEAH, WE LOOKED AT THAT EARLIER AS WELL.

BUT BUT YES, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT WE LOOK AT THAT.

WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GIVING BUSINESSES THE BEST OPPORTUNITY FOR SUCCESS IF WE'RE GOING TO ENCOURAGE SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS. ON TO AMENITIES.

ARE YOU ABLE TO KIND OF, I DIDN'T WRITE THE SLIDE, BUT LOOKING AT THE TRAILS AND THEY LOOKED GREAT AS WELL.

BUT CAN YOU KIND OF POINT OUT WHERE SOME OF THE TRAILS ARE AND TALK ABOUT THE FEATURES? WITH THE DISTANCE AROUND THE PROPERTY, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT HERE? IF YOU CAN GO TO THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN MIGHT BE THE EASIEST TO DESCRIBE IT FROM.

YEAH, I DON'T HAVE A TOTAL LENGTH HERE, BUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.

SO ALL OF THE MAIN DRIVES. SO THE LIGHT CYAN, THE THE BLUE, ALL THOSE WILL HAVE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.

THERE WILL BE SIDEWALKS OBVIOUSLY ALONG POLK AND PORTERVILLE, AND THEN THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL OFF ROAD TRAILS, BASICALLY LIKE A FIGURE EIGHT THAT GOES AROUND THE TWO PONDS IN THE MIDDLE. AND WE WANT TO HAVE A TRAIL CONNECTION UP TO THE THE CITY PARK TO THE NORTH.

SO YOU'LL HAVE BOTH ON STREET ON, ON THE, ON THE DRIVES AS WELL.

AND THEN THE OFF ROAD TRAIL OR THE OFF STREET TRAILS THAT BASICALLY LOOP YOU AROUND ALL THE LAKES.

WE DO HAVE ONE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THERE IN THE MIDDLE ACROSS THE LAKE.

EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU GIVE MR.. GIVE HIM A POINTER BECAUSE I'M SORRY.

IS THERE A FOLLOWING WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO? JUST MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT BECAUSE I SEE ON THE SLIDE IT SAYS RETAIL DRIVE AND LAKESIDE DRIVE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE HE'S REFERRING TO THAT AS SIDEWALK SPACE AND TRAILS.

DO WE GET A POINTER? OKAY. THANK YOU. BUT THE TRAILS, WHICH WILL WILL BE MINIMUM OF 8 TO 12FT AND DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE. SO THAT WAY YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE ON EITHER SIDE PASSING WITH STROLLERS OR, OR THINGS LIKE THAT, BIKES OR WHATEVER THEY'RE ON.

TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE, THE LOOPING AROUND THE LAKE IS, IS THE REAL TRUE TRAIL.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE WALK IN FRONT OF STORES AND UP AND DOWN THE, THE MAIN DRIVES AS WELL.

AND THAT IS WHAT AARON WAS REFERRING TO. BUT ALSO ONE THING I WANTED TO MENTION WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THE POINTER IS THAT THESE GROUND FLOOR UNITS THAT, THAT ARE IN TRACT A OR THAT FACE, THE DARK BLUE LINE WHAT WE DID, YOU'LL SEE IF YOU GO TO THE ONE IN GRAND PRAIRIE AT 287 TO 360.

THEY ACTUALLY THOSE GROUND FLOOR UNITS. I THINK YOU'LL HAVE THEM RIGHT HERE TOO, IS THEY YOU KNOW, THEY YOU HAVE AN ENTRANCE RIGHT ONTO THE STREET.

AND SO YOU HAVE LIKE A LITTLE FENCED IN LITTLE AREA AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO IT MAKES IT VERY PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY INSTEAD OF JUST A BIG, YOU KNOW, GLASS DEAL THERE. ANOTHER PORTION OF IS ALL THESE BUILDINGS, ALL THESE PHASES, IF YOU HAVE FOUR OF THEM, THEY'LL ALL INCLUDE THEIR OWN LEASING CENTER AND THEIR WORKOUT FACILITIES AND THEIR OWN POOLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE RESIDENCES, WHICH ALSO CREATE MORE OF A COMMERCIAL. LOOK ALONG THE FRONT OF THE BUILDINGS WITH TALL, GLASS, TALL CEILINGS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THAT MAKES IT FEEL REALLY NICE AND COMMERCIAL WITH UNITS ON EITHER SIDE OF THEM THAT OPEN OUT AS WELL.

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SO WE'LL HAVE THERE WILL BE TRAILS, OBVIOUSLY ALONG POLK AND PARKERVILLE.

YOU SEE THOSE KIND OF MEANDERING TRAILS ALONG THE RIGHT OF WAYS.

THE MAIN DRIVES ARE BASICALLY THIS, THIS DARK BLUE, THIS DRIVE, AS WELL AS THIS FRONTAGE HERE, THIS DRIVE THAT GOES ALL THE WAY AROUND, AND THEN THIS DRIVE THAT CONNECTS YOU THROUGH ALL OF THOSE DRIVES.

AND THIS ONE THAT WAS ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE EDGE HERE, THOSE LOOPS, THOSE ALL HAVE A, A SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING ON BOTH SIDES OF THOSE DRIVES. THESE ARE REALLY PARKING LOTS. AND SO THERE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ANY NORMAL PARKING LOT, MAYBE A CONNECTION UP TO THE BUILDING, BUT THE MAIN TRAILS WILL BE THE LOOPS ALONG THESE MAIN DRIVEWAYS THROUGH THIS PROJECT.

AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOOP AROUND THE LOWER POND AND WE ACTUALLY ARE SHOWING A CROSSING HERE AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER LOOP AROUND THIS POND AS WELL. AND THEN WE ENVISION A CONNECTION TO THE CITY PARK ON ONE ONE OF THESE SIDES.

WE HAVE TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH HOW THE TOPOGRAPHY WORKS. SO THE IDEA IS WE WANT TO GIVE LOOPS.

JUST PEOPLE LIKE TO DO DIFFERENT SEARCHES, WALKING SHORTER OR LONGER DISTANCES.

SO THE IDEA IS YOU'D HAVE OBVIOUSLY THE STREETS SERVE AS A LOOP IF THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

YOU CAN DO THE LARGER LOOP AROUND THE PERIMETER. YOU CAN ALSO DO THE LOOPS AROUND THE PONDS AS WELL, OR EVEN CUT ACROSS THAT. SO I'LL HAVE A TOTAL, WE'LL HAVE A TOTAL ACREAGE OR MILE IS AT THE AT THE NEXT MEETING, BUT WE'LL HAVE A BETTER EXHIBIT THAT SHOWS YOU ALL THE DIFFERENT TRAILS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THE LAST QUESTION THAT I WROTE, WELL, ACTUALLY IT'S NOT THE LAST QUESTION.

SLIDE 16. SO HERE'S MY SELFISH QUESTION. THE AMPHITHEATER, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT AN AMPHITHEATER, I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT TYPES OF MARKET ANALYSIS WAS DONE TO ENCOURAGE A DESIGN FOR AMPHITHEATER SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR LARGE AMPHITHEATER HERE AT THE CIVIC CENTER, WE HAVE SPACE AT OUR BRAND NEW ARK THAT RECENTLY OPENED AND SELFISH ME DON'T WANT A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMPETING WITH OUR CITY FACILITIES. SURE. SO IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE MARKET ANALYSIS SAID? THIS WOULD BE A GREAT AMENITY TO ADD TO THIS DEVELOPMENT, OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE DONE AT OTHER LOCATIONS THAT'S GOTTEN A LOT OF USE? AND THIRD, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU ALL WOULD CONSIDER REMOVING? IF SO? SO WE DIDN'T DO A WHOLE LOT OF MARKET ANALYSIS.

JUST WE'VE, THIS IS DONE BY YOU KNOW, NOT JUST US, BUT YOU'VE GOT THESE MIXED USE PROJECTS ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND THE CYPRESS WATERS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE UP THERE IN COPPELL.

AND THAT HAS A BEAUTIFUL LAKE WITH A BEAUTIFUL AMPHITHEATER IN IT.

AND SO THAT IS PROGRAMED ALL THE TIME. SO WHAT WE SEE THIS AS IS, IS FOR EVENTS FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS, PEOPLE TO GO TO HANG OUT, THINGS LIKE THAT, NOT TO COMPETE WITH MAJOR EVENTS THAT THE CITY IS DOING.

IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN PROGRAM IT INTO? IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY RATHER SEE REMOVED AND NOT COMPETE WITH.

OF COURSE, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS.

WE HAVE A, THERE'S A LOT OF MENU ITEMS THAT WE CAN PICK FROM TO, TO TAKE UP THAT SPACE AND STILL CREATE A GATHERING THAT WHERE PEOPLE CAN GATHER, LISTEN TO MUSIC OR PUT ON A PLAY OR WHATEVER IT IS, YOU KNOW, OUTDOOR DEAL FOR KIDS OR, OR WHATEVER IT IS.

WE JUST FEEL THAT IN THESE TYPE OF COMMUNITIES, WHEN YOU HAVE 1500 UNITS AND THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO THEM TO HAVE A PLACE TO COME TOGETHER. AND WE, THE ONE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER DESIGN RIGHT NOW IN MANSFIELD ON THE SOUTH SIDE FROM SOUTHGATE HAS A BIG LARGE LAKE WITH AN AMPHITHEATER LOOKING OVER IT. AND SO IT'S JUST WELL RECEIVED BY THE RESIDENCES.

SO WE THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO DO. BUT IF, IF YOU FEEL LIKE THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE IN THIS THEN? ABSOLUTELY. WE CAN LOOK AT OUR OPTIONS. AND THE MAIN THING THAT WE WANTED TO GET TONIGHT IS, IS THESE ARE ALL GREAT QUESTIONS. IS, IS DO Y'ALL WANT TO SEE THE PROJECT HERE? AND, AND BECAUSE IT'S OKAY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HURT OUR FEELINGS IF IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU FEEL LIKE IS, IS IS, IS SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IS GOOD FOR DE SOTO WE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PLACES THAT WE'VE BEEN AND PEOPLE SAID THAT WE DON'T WANT THAT THEY'RE NOT THIS TYPE OF PROJECT, BUT JUST A PROJECT.

AND SO WE JUST REALLY WANTED TO GET FEEDBACK AND SAY IS, SHOULD WE KEEP MOVING FORWARD? OR SHOULD WE JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY, OKAY, THIS, THIS IS NOT FOR YOU BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT Y'ALL WANT TO SEE AND THAT'S OKAY.

AND THAT'S THE MAIN FEEDBACK WE WANT TO GET TONIGHT. AND, AND I GUESS I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO ASSUME, BUT FROM THE QUESTIONS, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN.

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WE APPRECIATE THAT. AND THIS IS A WORK SESSION.

SO THIS IS A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO BE A PART OF THE PROCESS.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY LAST QUESTION.

YES, MA'AM. REALLY THE FIRST, I THINK THE FIRST SLIDE, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE NUMEROUS NAME POTENTIALS FOR THIS PROPERTY.

AND JUST AS A GOOD SHOW OF FAITH, I THINK GETTING HAVING THE COMMUNITY BE INVOLVED IN THAT NAMING PROCESS COULD ENCOURAGE SOME OWNERSHIP AND SOME PARTICIPATION IN BUY IN FOR.

AND WHEN YOU SAY THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN, HOW WOULD YOU SEE THAT? HOW WOULD YOU ENVISION THAT HAPPENING? I MEAN, IF IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT AND YOU PRESENT A FEW OF THESE NAMES, NOT 12. IF YOU PRESENT A FEW AND JUST GET A FEEL FOR WHICH ONES RESONATE WITH THEM AND THEY THINK MAKES SENSE FOR THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OCCURRING HERE. OKAY. I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO HAVE THEM NAME IT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A FEW THAT YOU WANT TO NARROW IT DOWN AND GET SOME FEEDBACK.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WE'VE ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT, YOU KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE DONE IN OTHER COMMUNITIES IS WE'VE INTRODUCED SOME BRONZES AND, AND A LOT OF OUR SINGLE FAMILY COMMUNITIES, IT'S ALL YOUNGER FAMILIES.

AND SO WE'VE COMMISSIONED BRONZES AND ARTWORK THAT WE PUT IN THERE THAT RESEMBLE THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS KIDS AND GRANDKIDS AND PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS ALL LIVING IN THE SAME COMMUNITY.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT AT ONE POINT IN TIME AND, AND AND IS, IS MAYBE DOING SOME OF THAT ARTWORK THROUGH HERE THAT PEOPLE FROM DESOTO IN THE PAST THAT HAS HELPED, YOU KNOW, MADE THE CITY WHAT IT IS TODAY. AND ALONG THOSE LINES.

THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS THAT WE COULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COME UP WITH A COUPLE OF NAMES THAT I THINK RESONATE WITH MAYBE THE LAND AND THE HISTORY OF DESOTO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT WOULD THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN LOOK AT AND UNDERSTAND VERSUS JUST PICKING SOMETHING OFF THE WALL.

SO I THINK THAT'S A I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

VICE CHAIR. I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION. JUST BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PART OF A LOT OF MIXED USE PROJECTS AND DE SOTO, WE ARE REALLY BIG ON GETTING RESTAURANTS AND MORE RETAIL.

SO WHEN WE HEAR PROJECTS THAT COME WITH IT OR CREATE THE SPACES FOR IT, I THINK WE ALL GET EXCITED.

MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE IN REALITY, A LOT OF THESE RETAILS SIT VACANT FOR QUITE SOME TIME ONCE THEY'RE BUILT.

SO MY QUESTION IS AT YOUR CURRENT PROJECTS LIKE MIRA LAGO'S OR SOUTH GATE, HAVE YOU GUYS GOTTEN ANY RESTAURANTS OR ANY RETAIL ON A CONTRACT OR THAT HAS ALREADY MOVED IN AND DEVELOPED AND DID A BUILD OUT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT AT MAYOR, LAGOS ON THE EAST SIDE THERE WHERE YOU HAVE LAKE RIDGE PARKWAY, THERE'S TWO APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND WE DID THE TOWNHOMES AND THE ADULT ACTIVITY AND THEN RETAIL IN FRONT OF IT.

IT TAKES A WHILE. YOU'RE RIGHT. AND SO IN OUR PHASING PLAN, WE DON'T START WITH THAT BUILDING BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THE RETAIL TO SIT THERE DARK.

NOR DO Y'ALL. AND WE WANT TO ATTRACT THE BEST TENANTS.

AND IF WE BUILD IT REALLY EARLY, THE GUYS THAT BUILD IT ARE GOING TO START, YOU KNOW, LEASING IT JUST TO TRY TO GET SOME INCOME OFF OF IT.

AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. AND SO YEAH, WE, WE HAVE YOU'RE VERY RIGHT.

THE RETAIL COMES LAST, ESPECIALLY IF YOU WANT TO GET QUALITY TENANTS.

AND SO OUR PHASING PLAN GOES CLOCKWISE. SO WE START IN THE BACK, START BUILDING IT UP.

BUT WE PUT ALL THE AMENITIES IN DAY ONE. RIGHT.

SO EVERYBODY HAS THAT. AND THEN ALL YOU KIND OF HAVE LIKE, YOU KNOW, PADS OF WHERE THE NEXT COMPLEX IS GOING TO COME AND YOU END BECAUSE THE MOST EXPENSIVE UNIT IS GOING TO BE THE ONE THAT HAS ALL THAT RETAIL AND THAT PARKING GARAGE.

AND SO YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE THE RENTS ARE UP AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET GOOD QUALITY TENANTS.

THANK THANK YOU. AND THAT BUILDING THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO AT MIRA MIRA LAGO'S.

WHEN DID THAT TAKE DELIVERY? SO THE ONE THAT HAS THE RETAIL IN IT IS THE ONE THAT BACKS UP TO THE LAKE.

IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE. THAT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO.

OKAY. AND WHEN DID IT GET WHEN DID RETAIL PEOPLE GET MOVED IN.

THEY BUILT THE RETAIL DAY ONE. AND THEN AND THEN THERE WAS A GAS STATION THAT WAS SOLD RIGHT NEXT TO THEM THAT ALSO BUILT SOME RETAIL.

AND I THINK IT TOOK ABOUT FIVE YEARS BEFORE THEY GOT THE, THE TENANTS IN THERE.

OKAY. AND SOUTH GATE, YOU GUYS HAVEN'T EVEN BUILT THAT BUILDING YET. CORRECT. THAT WOULD BE THE LAST THING COMING. YEAH. BUT WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING OR WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING, WHILE YOU'RE PLANNING FOR RETAIL, YOU ARE NOT GOING.

NO ONE'S GOING TO NEGOTIATE THOSE PRIOR TO YOU WAIT TILL THEY'RE THERE AND THEN YOU PUT THEM ON THE MARKET.

CORRECT. YEAH. YEAH. WE, WE EXACTLY. YEAH. SO WE, WE HAVE TO AGAIN, WE ARE JUST AS CAUTIOUS AS Y'ALL WILL BE ABOUT TENANTS.

AND, AND WE HAVE DONE COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTERS BY THEMSELVES FOR MANY YEARS.

THAT'S OUR FOUNDER, DICK LEBLANC STARTED IN THAT BUSINESS AFTER HE WAS IN LAND BUSINESS.

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WE SHARE THAT. AND SO WE WILL TAKE OUR TIME TO MAKE SURE WE FIND THE RIGHT THE RIGHT TENANTS.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST JUST BEYOND THAT, I'M NOT SAYING THIS WOULD HAPPEN HERE, BUT IN OTHER PARTNERSHIPS THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE THEY'RE IN FLOWER MOUND REALLY CAPITAL SOLD TO GREYSTAR. GREYSTAR BUILT THE APARTMENTS, BUT THEY KEPT THE RETAIL.

AND THERE'S A WAY TO DO THAT IN CONDOMINIUM WHERE WE OWN THE RETAIL AND THEY DON'T.

THAT WAY WE CAN CONTROL WHAT'S GOING ON THERE AS WELL.

SO THERE'S THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT.

AND SO BUT WE SHARED THE SAME SENTIMENT AS YOU DO AS FAR AS RETAIL.

COMMISSIONER. THE PROPERTY AT SOUTHGATE IS ABOUT 50 ACRES AS WELL.

YES. SO FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM PHASE ONE TO.

AND I KNOW WE CAN'T ALWAYS JUSTIFY OR KNOW WHEN RETAIL IS COMING IN, BUT AS FAR AS BUILDING AND HAVING EVERYTHING READY, LIKE WHAT'S THAT TIMELINE PHASE TYPICALLY GIVE OR TAKE, YOU KNOW, THINGS HAPPEN.

SO WHEN WE WHEN WE FINISHED ZONING THE PROPERTY.

THE FIRST THING WE HAD TO DO IS PUT ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN. AND THAT INCLUDED BUILDING ONE OF THE CITY'S MAJOR THOROUGHFARES, WHICH IS DAVIS ROAD. AND THEN WE PUT IN OUR LITTLE FIRST LITTLE AMENITY, WHICH IS THE PARK, AND THEN ALL THE ENTRY FEATURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, JUST TO GET THAT CIVIL WORK IN. TOOK US ABOUT A YEAR TO 15 MONTHS TO GET THAT STUFF IN.

YOU HAD TO BRING WATER AND SEWER FROM OUTSIDE, ALL THOSE CERTAIN THINGS YOU HAD TO DO.

THEIR CONSTRUCTION ON THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS STILL THERE.

THEY PUT THEIR. THEY STARTED LEASING THEIR FIRST UNITS IN ABOUT MONTH 13.

AND. AND THEN THEY FINISHED IN MONTH 24. SO THEY, YOU KNOW, IN MULTIFAMILY, YOU RELEASE SOME BUILDINGS WITH TEMPORARY.

COS AS THEY GO AND THEY LEASE THEM UP. AND THIS PROJECT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, ONCE WE, IF WE'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING GETTING IT THROUGH COUNCIL, WE STILL HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF WORK TO DO FROM A CIVIL PERSPECTIVE BEFORE WE PUT A SHOVEL ON THE GROUND.

AND SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE YOUR FIRST RESIDENT OUT HERE.

I WOULD SAY IF WE WERE SUCCESSFUL WHEN WE GOT ZONING DONE EARLY NEXT YEAR, LET'S SAY YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE AT LEAST A COUPLE YEARS BEFORE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE APARTMENT BUILDINGS GOING UP.

AND SO FROM THAT, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO NOT COMPETE WITH STARTING ANOTHER PHASE, COMPETING WITH A NEW PHASE, IT'S GOING TO PROBABLY BE AT LEAST A, YOU KNOW, A 4 TO 6 YEAR BUILD OUT FROM WHEN WE FINISHED CIVIL CONSTRUCTION.

BUT IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE MARKET. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE'S NOT MUCH GOING ON, BUT BUT THAT THAT'D BE, THAT'D PROBABLY BE BEST CASE SCENARIO SOMEWHERE AROUND THERE AND BUT LIKE, LIKE, YOU KNOW WE JUST, WE JUST THINK IT'S THE BEST PATH TO GO COUNTERCLOCKWISE.

I MEAN, GO CLOCKWISE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL HAVE THE DENSITY AND EVERYTHING WE WANT TO GET THE QUALITY RETAIL.

AND WE'RE WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE AS WELL. COMMISSIONER.

ALEXIS. YES. ON THE ACTIVE NODES AND SOME OF THE MORE CENTRALIZED POCKETS, THE AMPHITHEATERS WHO WOULD MANAGE THOSE FROM DAY TO DAY. AND FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO BE AN EVENT THERE, SOMEONE WANTS TO BOOK IT. WOULD THAT BE THROUGH THE PO OR THE CITY SPECIAL EVENTS? HOW WOULD THAT BE MANAGED? SO IT WOULD BE ALL OWNED BY THE PO, BUT IT WOULD BE PUBLIC SPACE.

AND SO ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT THERE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROPERTY ASSOCIATION.

AND THAT WOULD BE PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED BY A MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO CONTACT THEM TO, TO RENT, IF YOU WILL, THAT SPACE OR TO RESERVE IT FOR AN EVENT.

AND WE'D HAVE TO MAKE SURE THE EVENT FITS AND EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT AND ALL THAT STUFF.

BUT ALL THE, THE COMMON AREA, IF YOU WILL. UPKEEP OF THE SIDEWALKS AND LANDSCAPING.

ALL THOSE THINGS ARE THE. THE JOB OF THE POA AND EACH ONE OF THESE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE. WE'RE SPONSORING THE POA. FOR A LONG TIME BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MANY DUES WHILE WE'RE UNTIL YOU REALLY GET IT DEVELOPED OUT.

SO IT WILL BE, IT'LL BE MANAGED BY OUR AGENT, WHICH WILL BE THE WE TYPICALLY USE FIRST SERVICE RESIDENTIAL AND THEY MANAGE A. LOT OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, MIXED USE PROPERTIES AND HIGH RISE PROPERTIES AND REALLY GOOD.

AND SO THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD DO ALL THE CONTRACTORS AND ALL THE MAINTENANCE PEOPLE AND MOW ON A REGULAR BASIS, PICK THE WEEDS, MAINTAIN THE BEDS, DO THE TREES, ALL THOSE THINGS.

ANYTHING THAT'S INTERIOR TO THE ACTUAL APARTMENT ITSELF.

THAT ON HIS LOT WOULD BE HIS RESPONSIBILITY. AND THEN WHAT WE'VE DONE IN OTHER, LIKE IN THE SOUTH GATE IS WE HAVE A WHOLE DECLARATION THAT SHOWS A RESPONSIBILITY WHO TAKES CARE OF WHAT AND IF SOMEONE DOESN'T TAKE CARE OF IT, WE AS A PEO HAVE THE RIGHT TO GO IN THERE AND TAKE CARE OF IT FOR THEM AND CHARGE THEM BACK. SO MAINTENANCE IS A HUGE DEAL FOR US. IF YOU DRIVE SOME OF OUR PROPERTIES, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE DON'T.

[01:05:04]

YES. VICE CHAIR PROMISE IS MY LAST ONE. CAN YOU TELL ME WHEN YOU HAD A WORK SESSION ON SOUTH GATE? LIKE AROUND WHAT YEAR DID YOU START YOUR WORK SESSION OR YOUR FIRST APPLICATION FOR THAT PROJECT THAT'S STARTING AND GOT PHASE ONE DELIVERY.

CAN YOU TELL ME THE YEAR? THAT WAS 2026. IT WAS AFTER COVID.

IT WAS ABOUT 2022. WE DID DO A WORKSHOP. WE'VE DONE A LOT OF PROJECTS IN IN GRAND PRAIRIE, MAINLY MAR A LAGO. AND SO WE KNEW THEM PRETTY WELL AND THEY, THEY ACTUALLY LIKED, THEY WANTED THIS TO BE THAT, THAT VISION SOUTH GATE. SO IT DIDN'T REQUIRE THAT, BUT WE WORKED A LONG TIME WITH STAFF ON THAT TO TRY TO GET IT RIGHT.

ACTUALLY, THE THE ORDINANCE THAT CAME OUT OF THAT IS THE ORDINANCE WE'RE USING WITH STAFF TO BECAUSE IT'S ON THE GROUND, YOU CAN SEE IT, FEEL IT, TOUCH IT. AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WORKING FROM THAT FORM THAT CAME OUT OF THAT, THAT PROJECT. SO ABOUT FOUR YEARS BEFORE THE SHOVEL.

GOT IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YEAH, SORRY ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S WAY TOO LONG. WE NEED IT NEXT YEAR.

TRUST ME. I'D LOVE TO GET IT NEXT YEAR TOO. I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE TO COMMISSIONERS ANYTHING ELSE, MR. LUEDKE? THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A FEW COMMENTS.

WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE GREAT QUESTIONS.

ESPECIALLY THE TRANSPORTATION PLANNING QUESTIONS, I LOVE THOSE.

I KNOW YOU'RE THE EXPERT IN THIS FIELD. WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLING THE BUILDING MATERIALS AND BUILDING HEIGHT IN THE PD LANGUAGE.

BECAUSE REALLY THE NEXT STEP WITH WHAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO DO IS TO COME BACK BEFORE YOU ALL FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE THAT'S A PERFECT TIME.

WE CAN PUT ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS BEFORE WE COME BACK TO YOU ALL.

WE'RE THINKING OF NOVEMBER 10TH TO, TO CONDUCT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

OBVIOUSLY, THEY WILL MEET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THAT WILL BE THE BEST TIME WHEN THEY MEET AND PRESENT SOME OF THE NAMES FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO WE, I KNOW THEY'RE PLANNING ON HAVING THIS COMMUNITY MEETING WITHIN, I'M ASSUMING BEFORE THE NEXT BEFORE THAT. EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT.

SO, SO YES. SO BASICALLY OUR NEXT STEPS IS THE COMMUNITY MEETING, GET THE COMMUNITY INPUT AND THEN COME BEFORE YOU ALL, WE'RE HOPPING AROUND NOVEMBER 10TH FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.

OKAY. NOW IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I KNOW WE'RE DISCUSSING, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL PD.

AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO SEE SOME DEVIATIONS WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

I KNOW EVEN I THINK SLIDE NOT SURE WHAT SLIDE THIS IS ON.

THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE BUILDINGS, I THINK A STORY OF FIVE.

I THINK OUR CURRENT LANGUAGE IS THREE. YES. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS HOW DO WE KNOW ABOUT OTHER DEVIATIONS THAT WILL BE LOOKING TO MAKE IN THIS PD? YES, I KNOW WE'RE UPDATING OUR ORDINANCES, BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE WHAT WE HAVE.

SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO GAUGE LIKE WHAT OTHER MAJOR DEVIATIONS ARE WE GOING TO BE LOOKING TO CREATE FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS.

UNDERSTOOD. OH THE PD WILL BASICALLY BE REVAMPED.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE YOU'RE NOT JUST DEVIATING LIKE ON A COUPLE OF TIMES FROM THE PD, RIGHT? BUT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CHANGES. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, REVAMPING THE ENTIRE PD AND WE GOT THE YOU KNOW, LANGUAGE FROM THEM. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, REVIEWING THEM, BUT IT WILL KIND OF BE LIKE COMPLETELY NEW, BASICALLY. OKAY. YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. THANK YOU.

JUST, JUST FOR CLARITY. SO THEY, WHAT I'M HEARING IS THEY PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THAT MANY DEVIATIONS WHEN THEY COME BECAUSE WE'RE BUILDING THE NEW PD TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING. IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? YES. I DON'T KNOW IF MISS COLTON OR MISS JORDAN, IF YOU IF YOU ALL WANT TO PROVIDE MORE DETAILS.

GO AHEAD. THAT'S CORRECT. SO PLAN DEVELOPMENT 193 IS CURRENTLY EXISTING.

SO THE DEVIATION WILL BE AN ENTIRE NEW ORDINANCE.

SO THERE WILL BE DEVIATIONS. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LIST IT AS SUCH. WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE WILL PRESENT IT AS AN ENTIRE NEW ORDINANCE TO REPLACE THE CURRENT LANGUAGE AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT. 193 OKAY. WHAT DEVIATIONS IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS, WOULD IT BE TO PD 193? ARE YOU ASKING THE SPECIFIC DEVIATIONS? THERE'S QUITE A FEW.

THERE'S SEVERAL DEVIATIONS AND WE'LL PRESENT THAT.

WE'LL HAVE THAT IN THE PRESENTATION AND THE STAFF REPORT. OKAY.

AND THE NEW PD IS THAT FOR LONG TERM OR IS THAT JUST FOR THIS PROJECT.

AND THEY'RE USING IT HERE OR IS THAT GOING TO BE FOR THE FUTURE.

HOW DOES THAT WORK? IT'S FOR ALL 50 ACRES. OKAY.

[01:10:02]

YES THAT'S CORRECT. GOT IT. OKAY. SO NO ONE ELSE WILL BE IMPACTED BY.

NO. GOT IT. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. DUNCAN. OH, I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER EDWARDS HAS A QUESTION.

SO I KNOW THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A A COMMUNITY MEETING, I.

WILL THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HOST AT LEAST GIVE THE COMMUNITY A COUPLE OF OPTIONS JUST IN CASE THEY'RE NOT ABLE.

SOMEONE IS NOT ABLE TO MAKE ONE. THEY CAN MAKE THE OTHER.

YEAH. NO, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING WITH DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

EVERY TIME WE DO A COMMUNITY MEETING, WE DO OFFER TWO, TWO OPTIONS VIRTUAL AND IN-PERSON.

OUR ORDINANCE DOES NOT I CANNOT ENFORCE THOSE MEETINGS ON THE DEVELOPERS.

THIS MEETING WILL NOT BE SPONSORED BY STAFF. WE'LL PROBABLY SEND A REPRESENTATIVE, BUT THOSE MEETINGS ARE ARRANGED BY THE DEVELOPERS THEMSELVES.

SO BEN, IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. YOUR QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TWO TIMES TO, TO LET PEOPLE ATTEND? AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST PLANNING ON ONE BECAUSE WE ARE ON A VERY SHORT TIME FRAME WITH, WITH OUR SELLER AND AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH IT THROUGH ON TO THE NUMBER OF TEN, IF TIME ALLOWS FOR IT AND WE CAN GET THROUGH, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO WORK WITH ON STAFF ON, ON THE ACTUAL PD LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH STAFF RIGHT NOW ON.

AND IF TIME ALLOWS FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY. OUR PLAN IS TO TRY TO GET AS MUCH NOTICE AS POSSIBLE OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY KNOWS WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE AND THEY CAN TRY TO BE THERE.

BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE A GOOD SHOWING, THEN, THEN ABSOLUTELY, WE'LL TRY TO DO ANOTHER ONE.

WE WE'RE NOT TRYING TO AVOID THE COMMUNITY. WE WE IN ALL OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, WE ALWAYS HAVE A, SOME SORT OF COMMUNITY. REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN BEFORE THEY JUST READ ABOUT IT ON A ZONING WHEN THEY GET THAT.

AND SO YES, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET AS MANY PEOPLE THERE AS WE CAN.

OKAY. SO WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE THE METHOD OF COMMUNICATION? WOULD THAT BE A LETTER OR POSTCARD OR I MEAN, WHAT? SO WHAT WE WERE, WE LEARNED FROM OTHER MEETINGS THAT WERE DONE IN THE PAST AND THAT THEY, WE SEND IT OUT ON VIA EMAILS TO DIFFERENT HOMES THAT ARE IN THE AREA AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING OUT TO THE RESIDENCES.

AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU HAVE THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES THAT ARE OVER THERE TO THE WEST, AND YOU TALKED TO THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES AND MAKE SURE IT'S POSTED. WE WON'T HAVE TIME TO PRINT ANYTHING TO GET IT OUT. SO IT'LL ALL BE VIRTUAL TO, TO GET IT OUT THERE AS WELL.

ANYTHING THAT WE CAN UTILIZE, I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY'S FACEBOOK'S OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE'LL FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET IT OUT TO THEM.

I DO KNOW I DO HAVE CONTACTS BECAUSE Y'ALL'S WEBSITE LISTS THE CONTACTS FOR EACH SINGLE FAMILY HOA.

AND SO WE'LL REACH OUT TO EACH ONE OF THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING OUT TO THEIR RESIDENTS AS WELL. AND WE'LL BE USING THE AAC FACILITY.

WE HAD WE HAD ONE SCHEDULED BACK IN JULY, BUT WE CANCELED IT BECAUSE WE GOT WE WERE STILL WORKING ON SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS.

AND SO WE'LL HAVE IT OVER THERE AT THAT FACILITY AS WELL IN THEIR CONFERENCE ROOM.

THANK YOU SIR. ALL RIGHT. MISS JORDAN, DOES THAT CONCLUDE OUR WORK SESSION.

YES, MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. COMMISSIONERS.

DO Y'ALL NEED A BREAK OR DO WE WANT TO GO DIRECTLY INTO.

OKAY, WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO IT. CAN YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE?

[B. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

ALL RIGHT, IT IS. NOW. WHAT TIME IS IT? 7:17 P.M.

[C. REGULAR SESSION - CALL TO ORDER]

AND WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. TODAY WE HAVE TO MY LEFT, VICE CHAIR, GRAHAM.

MYSELF, CHAIR BROOKS TO MY RIGHT. COMMISSIONER LAURA COMMISSIONER EDWARDS AND COMMISSIONER ALEXIS.

STAFF PRESENT. WE HAVE MISS JORDAN, MISS COLTON, MISS PATEL, MR. L KC IS SOMEWHERE. HE JUST RECENTLY LEFT. AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS HERE, AS WELL AS OUR COUNCIL LIAISON, COUNCILWOMAN CHISHOLM. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN APPEARANCES.

[01:15:05]

CITIZENS WISHING TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE A CITIZEN COMMON CORE AND RETURN IT TO THE TABLE PRIOR TO THE MEETING.

IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CANNOT TAKE ACTION ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA.

HOWEVER, YOUR CONCERNS MAY BE ADDRESSED. EXCUSE ME, BY CITY STAFF PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA ARE RESPONDED TO BY SOME OTHER COURSE.

ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUESTED TO HOLD THEIR COMMENTS UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT ITEM.

STAFF. DO WE HAVE ANY CARDS, ANY SPEAKERS TODAY? NO, MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. NO ONE'S HERE TO SPEAK.

[E. CONSENT AGENDA Any item may be withdrawn from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Approval of the Consent Agenda authorizes the approval of each item in accordance with Staff Recommendations.]

ANY ITEM MAY BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ACTED ON SEPARATELY.

APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE APPROVAL OF EACH ITEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

THERE IS ONE ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. ITEM ONE APPROVAL OF MINUTES A CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST 25TH, 2026. DO I HAVE A MOTION? A MOTION TO APPROVE AS IS.

IT'S BEEN. WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. AND SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR.

I'M SORRY. BEFORE WE VOTE, MISS COMMISSIONER.

ALEXIS, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES? YES. THERE'S A CORRECTION. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. BEFORE WE VOTE ON THAT GO AHEAD, MISS ALEXIS.

ON ITEM UNDER THE PUBLIC HEARING. ITEM ONE, IT SAYS SEVERAL RESIDENTS ADDRESSED THE COMMISSION SPEAKING ON BOTH IN SUPPORT IN AND OPPOSITION TO THE REQUEST.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY RESIDENTS SPEAK THAT EVENING.

WE DID HAVE TWO LETTERS OF OPPOSITION. WE HAD TWO PEOPLE SPEAK IN SUPPORT, BUT I CAN REVIEW THE MINUTES.

THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS. ANY ADDITIONAL CORRECTIONS? IF NOT? ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, SAY AYE. AYE.

THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANKS. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AGENDA ITEM F REGULAR AGENDA.

[F. REGULAR AGENDA]

MISS JORDAN. YES. GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS.

OKAY. DID WE DO SOMETHING? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE VOTE BECAUSE I DIDN'T HEAR EVERYONE VOTE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. LET'S TAKE THE VOTE OVER.

FOR THE RECORD, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA BY VICE CHAIR GRAHAM, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LARA.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? THAT ITEM COMMISSIONER. ALEXIS, ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THE OPPOSED? YES. YES. SO THAT ITEM PASSES 4 TO 1.

GOOD EVENING. COMMISSIONERS. A MESSAGE TO FORMER COMMISSIONER DONALD DEWBERRY.

COMMISSIONER DONALD DEWBERRY, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF DESOTO PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION, WE EXTEND OUR HEARTFELT APPRECIATION FOR YOUR YEARS OF DEDICATED SERVICE TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

YOUR COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE, THOUGHTFUL CONTRIBUTIONS, AND DEDICATION TO THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY HAVE LEFT A LASTING IMPACT.

YOUR WILLINGNESS TO DEVOTE YOUR TIME, SHARE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AND SERVE CITIZENS OF DESOTO IS TRULY COMMENDABLE.

AS YOU CLOSE THIS CHAPTER, WE HOPE YOU REFLECT WITH PRIDE ON THE DIFFERENCE YOU HAVE MADE IN THE LEGACY OF SERVICE YOU LEAVE BEHIND.

IT HAS BEEN AN HONOR AND A PLEASURE WORKING ALONGSIDE YOU.

WE WISH YOU CONTINUED SUCCESS, HAPPINESS, AND FULFILLMENT IN ALL THAT LIES AHEAD.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, YOUR DEDICATION, AND YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF DESOTO.

YOU ARE APPRECIATED. YOU ARE SINCERELY APPRECIATED.

SO PREVIOUS COMMISSIONER OR FORMER COMMISSIONER DONALD DEWBERRY COULD NOT BE HERE THIS EVENING.

SO WE WILL BE DELIVERING THIS AWARD TO HIM ON HIS BEHALF IN THE AWARD READS AS FOLLOW.

PRESENTED TO THE. PRESENTED BY THE CITY OF DESOTO TO COMMISSIONER DONALD DEWBERRY WITH HEARTFELT APPRECIATION FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE AND DEDICATION AND THE DIFFERENCE YOU

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THIS THIS CURRENT TERM, BECAUSE HE SERVED MANY YEARS IN THIS CURRENT TERM WAS SEPTEMBER 2023 TO SEPTEMBER 2026.

COMMISSIONERS. YOU'RE WELCOME TO ADD ANY COMMENTS.

HE'S NOT HERE, SO I WON'T MAKE IT LONG. BUT WE DO ECHO STAFF AND THANKING COMMISSIONER DEWBERRY FOR HIS SERVICE.

I LEARNED A LOT FROM MR. DEWBERRY. I DEFINITELY APPRECIATED HIS DEDICATION AND HIS THOUGHTFUL QUESTIONS.

IT ALWAYS MADE US THINK AS A TEAM AND HE ALWAYS CROSSED EVERY T AND DOTTED EVERY I.

WHEN IT CAME TO ANYTHING BUILDING STANDARDS RELATED, AND WE APPRECIATE HIM FOR THAT.

AND HE WILL DEFINITELY BE MISSED AROUND THIS DAIS.

ANYBODY ELSE I ECHO. CHAIRPERSON IN THE CITY STAFF.

MR. DEWBERRY HAS TAUGHT ME A LOT, AND HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN OPEN TO EXPLAIN IT DEEPER OR CLEARER.

SO I DO APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM AGENDA ITEM G CITY COUNCIL LIAISON ANNOUNCEMENTS AND UPDATES. THERE ARE NO UPDATES FROM COUNCILWOMAN CHISHOLM.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS AGENDA ITEM H ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST.

[H. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST Discussion will be limited to the following pursuant to Gov't Code 551.0415: (1) Expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; (2) information regarding holiday schedules; (3) a recognition of an individual; (4) a reminder about an upcoming Planning & Zoning events; (5) announcements involving an imminent threat tithe public health and safety.]

EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS. CONGRATULATIONS OR CONDOLENCE TO INFORMATION REGARDING HOLIDAY SCHEDULES.

THREE. A RECOGNITION OF AN INDIVIDUAL FOR A REMINDER ABOUT AN UPCOMING PLANNING AND ZONING EVENT.

FIVE. ANNOUNCEMENTS INVOLVING AN IMMINENT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY.

MISS. MISS PATEL. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

THE FIRST ITEM I HAVE FOR YOU ALL IS REGARDING THE EROSION MITIGATION WORKSHOP.

THIS IS THE SECOND WORKSHOP BEING HELD. IT IS GOING TO BE LED BY OUR ENGINEERING DIVISION.

AND IT IS BASICALLY TO HELP THE HOMEOWNER STABILIZE THE ERODING PROPERTY BANKS THROUGH THE CITY FUNDING AND PROJECT MANAGEMENT.

IT IS GOING TO BE A VIRTUAL MEETING. IT'S GOING TO BE TOMORROW IN THE EVENING FROM 6 TO 7.

SO THERE'S A QR CODE PROVIDED IN THE PAGE THAT I'VE PROVIDED YOU WITH.

YOU CAN SCAN IT, AND IF YOU WISH TO JOIN, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO JOIN IT.

THE NEXT ITEM IS ABOUT THE COMMUNITY CONVERSATION.

IT IS GOING TO BE LED BY OUR COUNCIL DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE FOR PLACE TWO, COUNCIL MEMBER PIERROT PARKER.

IT'S ON OCTOBER 26TH FROM 630 TO 830 AT THE ARC, AND THE DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING TO FOCUS BASICALLY ON THE ISSUES OF AFFECTING PLACE TWO, AS WELL AS ANY CURRENT OR UPCOMING RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, AND FEW OF THE PROGRESS ON THE PROJECTS AND ANY OTHER PROGRAMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE LED BY THE LED BY THE CITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR PLACE. SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, JUST YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO BE THERE.

AND THE LAST ONE IS I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU ALL FOR SHOWING YOUR WILLINGNESS TO JOIN, TO BE A PART OF OUR CONFERENCE.

AND WE DO HAVE BAGS AND A LITTLE PRESENT FOR YOU ALL IN THE BAG.

THANK YOU. AND TO THAT POINT, JUST FYI, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE THERE ON FRIDAY, I WILL BE A PART OF A PANEL DISCUSSION. SO PLEASE COME BY AND SAY HELLO AT 1:00.

IT'S NO, IT'S FRIDAY. MY PANEL IS FRIDAY. WE'VE MADE NOTE OF THIS IN THE BLACK FOLDER.

THAT'S IN THE BACK. THAT'S IN THE BACK. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. AND THE FINAL ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEM I ADJOURNMENT.

MOTION TO ADJOURN. IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? SAY GOOD NIGHT.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.