[A. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
[B. REGULAR SESSION - CALL TO ORDER]
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WE DO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT TODAY. TO MY RIGHT ARE COMMISSIONERS. ALEXIS.
COMMISSIONER. LAURA. TO MY LEFT, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER JONES AND COMMISSIONER DEWBERRY AND MYSELF. CHAIR BROOKS STAFF PRESENT. TONIGHT. WE HAVE MR. SMITH FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. MISS COLTON, MISS JORDAN, MISS PATEL. AND WE HAVE OUR CITY COUNCIL STAFF LIAISON.
MAYOR PRO TEM CHISM WITH US TONIGHT. THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN APPEARANCES.
THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS ON ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. CITIZENS WISH TO SPEAK, SHOULD COMPLETE A CITIZEN COMMENT CARD AND RETURN IT TO THE TABLE PRIOR TO THE MEETING. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CANNOT TAKE ACTION ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. HOWEVER, YOUR CONCERNS MAY BE ADDRESSED BY CITY STAFF PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA OR RESPONDED TO BY SOME OTHER COURSE. ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUESTED TO HOLD THEIR COMMENTS UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT ITEM. STAFF. DO WE HAVE ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NOT FOR NOT TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. OKAY. THANK YOU. NEXT ON THE AGENDA. AGENDA ITEM
[D. CONSENT AGENDA Any item may be withdrawn from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Approval of the Consent Agenda authorizes the approval of each item in accordance with Staff Recommendations.]
D OUR CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE ANY ITEM MAY BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ACTED ON SEPARATELY. APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE APPROVAL OF EACH ITEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES. DO I HAVE A MOTION, MADAM CHAIR? YES. ON ITEM E ONE. THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, A MOTION WAS MADE ON THE CASE Z 154826. HOWEVER, THE MOTION IS NOT STATED IN THE MINUTES, SO THEY NEED TO BE BROUGHT UP TO DATE. SO WE KNOW WHAT WE VOTED YES ON. OKAY THAT'S CORRECT. YES THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'LL BE UPDATED IN REVISED BEFORE THEY GO UP TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CORRECTIONS REVISIONS TO THE MINUTES? F HEARING NONE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE MINUTES NOT BE APPROVED AT THIS TIME. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT MOTION. ALL IN FAVOR OF NOT APPROVING THE MINUTES UNTIL THEY'RE CORRECTED. WILL WE GET A COPY IF WE. I'M SORRY, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF OR MR. SMITH. IF WE DO NOT APPROVE THE MINUTES TONIGHT, CAN THEY STILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE WITH THE CORRECTION? THAT WAS NOTED.APPROVE THEM. OKAY. OKAY. CAN MR. DEWBERRY, CAN WE MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH THE SUGGESTED CORRECTIONS? I CAN'T READ THE CORRECTIONS. THEY CAN BE CORRECTED AND BROUGHT BACK NEXT MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR OF NOT APPROVING THE MINUTES AND HAVING THEM BROUGHT BACK TO THE FOR AT THE NEXT MEETING, SAY I, I ALL RIGHT. ANY OPPOSED? SAY NAY. OKAY. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THE MINUTES WILL BE REVISED AND BROUGHT BACK TO OUR NEXT MEETING. AGENDA ITEM E
[E. PUBLIC HEARING]
IS A PUBLIC HEARING E ONE CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE BY REVISING YOUTH REGULATIONS. ADDING SECTION 43.28 CHILD CARE CENTERS, SHARED INSTITUTIONAL FACILITY TO ESTABLISH SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS AND AMENDING APPENDIX A THREE TO UPDATE AND ADD DEFINITIONS, INCLUDING CHILD CARE CENTER AND[00:05:06]
CHILD CARE CENTER, SHARED INSTITUTIONAL FACILITY CASE NUMBER Z-15551-26. MISS COLTON.GOOD EVENING, CHAIR BROOKS, DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF DE SOTO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. I'M JACQUELINE COLTON. I AM THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON ZONING CASE Z-1551-26. PROPOSED ZONING AMENDMENTS TO ALLOW CHILD CARE CENTERS BY RIGHT AS AN ACCESSORY TO INDUSTRIAL INSTITUTIONAL USES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO BEFORE YOU IS OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT, WE'RE PROPOSING UPDATES TO THE CURRENT CHILD CARE CENTER DEFINITION. WE'RE PROPOSING TO ADD A NEW DEFINITION FOR CHILD CARE CENTER, SHARED INSTITUTIONAL FACILITY AND FOR PLANNING MANAGER. AND WE'RE ALSO PROVIDING FOR OPERATIONAL STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW CHILD CARE CENTER SHARED INSTITUTIONAL FACILITY ITEM. NEXT SLIDE. SO FOR CONTEXT, I'VE PROVIDED HERE THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF A CHILD CARE CENTER. SO IT'S BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, A COMMERCIAL INSTITUTION OR PLACE DESIGNED FOR THE CARE OF TRAINING OF 12 OR MORE CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 14 YEARS OLD FOR LESS THAN 24 HOURS PER DAY. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. OKAY, SO THE CITY OF DE SOTO ALSO HAS TWO OTHER CATEGORIES OF CHILD CARE INDICATED IN THIS ORDINANCE. WE'VE GOT THE FAMILY HOME AND THE GROUP DAY HOME. AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE INSTITUTIONS WHERE CHILDREN ARE CARED FOR IN RESIDENCE. AND SO THAT IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. TONIGHT. WE'RE STRICTLY TALKING ABOUT DAYCARE CENTERS. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO CURRENTLY CHILD CARE CENTERS ARE ALLOWED IN GENERAL RETAIL MIXED USE ONE AND TWO AND COMMERCIAL ONE AND TWO ZONING DISTRICTS. AND THERE ARE PROHIBITED ENTIRELY IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND PERMITTED BY S, U, P AND FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY OFFICE ONE AND TWO AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. NEXT SLIDE. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY, SO THESE ARE OUR PROPOSED DEFINITIONS. PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF CHILD CARE CENTER. PRIMARILY, WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE TO DELETE OR DAYCARE CENTER. AND THEN WE WANT TO SPECIFY A LICENSED FACILITY THAT PROVIDES CARE, SUPERVISION, TRAINING AND EDUCATION OF 12 OR MORE UNRELATED CHILDREN UNDER 14 YEARS OF AGE FOR MORE THAN TWO HOURS, BUT LESS THAN 24 HOURS PER DAY FOR THREE OR MORE DAYS A WEEK. AND SO ONE OF THE PRIMARY DRIVERS FOR MAKING REVISIONS TO THIS DAYCARE CHILD CARE CENTER DEFINITION IS TO ALIGN IT MORE CLOSELY WITH THE STATE'S DEFINITION OF CHILD CARE CENTERS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE.
OKAY, SO THIS NEW CHILD CARE CENTER, SHARED INSTITUTIONAL FACILITY USE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO CREATE WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE SAME BUILDING SITE AS AN ACTIVE USE WITH A VALID COE FOR A CHURCH, FOR A COLLEGE OR UNIVERSITY, FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER, KINDERGARTEN OR NURSERY SCHOOL, PRIVATE SCHOOL, PUBLIC SCHOOL OR OTHER RELIGIOUS TRAINING SCHOOL. AND THEN THERE IS A DEFINITION ADDED FOR PLANNING MANAGER. NEXT SLIDE. IN ORDER TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, WE ARE PROPOSING OPERATIONAL STANDARDS HERE. BASICALLY FIVE STANDARDS. SO WE WANT TO LIMIT OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES TO THE HOURS BETWEEN
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8 A.M. AND 8 P.M. REQUIRE FENCING TO COMPLY WITH APPLICABLE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO MINIMIZE TRAFFIC IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES. WE'RE WANTING TO RESTRICT THE QUEUING AND PICK UP TO THE PROPERTY SO THAT THERE ARE NO IMPACTS ON THE ADJACENT STREETS, AND THEN WE'RE WANTING TO ALLOW FOR SHARED PARKING WITH THE CHURCHES. AND AS MENTIONED, THIS WOULD BE A SECONDARY OR ACCESSORY USE TO THE CHURCH, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT OUR CHURCH OR INSTITUTIONAL FACILITIES, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT IF THERE WAS NO ACTIVE CEO, THEN THE CHILD CARE CENTER COULD NOT BE THERE, BE LOCATED ON THAT PROPERTY. OKAY, SO WE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, THE RATIONALE FOR THESE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WE DETERMINED THAT THERE IS A COMPATIBILITY OF USES, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE OPERATIONAL STANDARDS, THERE'S REDUCED TRAFFIC IMPACTS. THERE IS MINIMIZED LAND USE IMPACTS AND CONFLICTS. A BIG THING IS IT PROVIDES FOR THE EFFECTIVE UTILIZATION OF EXISTING PROPERTIES, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE THESE FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, ALL OVER OUR CITY THAT ARE HARDLY BEING UTILIZED AT ALL. SO AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, BUILDING ON OUR 20% OF, OF UNDEVELOPED LAND, YOU KNOW, A NEW FACILITY, IF THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ACCESS TO THESE FACILITIES AND THAT WOULD BE A MORE EFFICIENT USE. SO IT ALSO PROVIDES EXPANDED CHILD CARE OPTIONS. IT PUTS, YOU KNOW, THESE CHILD CARE CENTERS CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE, FOR INSTANCE, IN WITH THE CHURCHES, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT LIKE A LOT OF CHURCHES IN NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THERE COULD ALSO BE, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S NOT REALLY A PLANNING CONSIDERATION, BUT A COST AFFORDABILITY, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD HELP TO, YOU KNOW, DRIVE THE COST OF DAYCARE DOWN. AND THEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IT DOES FOR THESE TYPES OF CHILDCARE CENTERS, IT PROVIDES SOME TYPE OF PREDICTABILITY IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO GET, YOU KNOW, A PERMIT FOR THE FACILITY. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO THIS, IT SHOWS THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO OUR ACCESSORY AND INCIDENTAL USE CHART. 36.3 AND BASICALLY WHAT IT DOES IS YOU'VE GOT EXES ALL THE WAY ACROSS, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT AS LONG AS THIS CHILD CARE CENTER, SHARED INSTITUTIONAL FACILITY WAS CO-LOCATED WITH THE FACILITY, THEN IT WOULD BE ALLOWED, YOU KNOW, OKAY, SO THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO THE USE CHART, 36.6 IS WE'RE SIMPLY DELETING DAYCARE CENTER FROM THE CHILD CARE CENTER TITLE.AND SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, THERE WOULD BE TWO TYPES OF CHILD CARE CENTERS. ONE, OUR ORIGINAL AND THEN THE OTHER ONE CHILD CARE CENTER, SHARED INSTITUTIONAL FACILITY. SO WE LOOKED AT WHAT SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS HAVE DONE RELATED TO THIS ITEM. AND SO BASICALLY, AS FAR AS ALLOWING BY RIGHT, DALLAS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT ALLOWS CHILD CARE CENTERS, LIKE BY RIGHT IN, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS. NEXT SLIDE. OKAY. SO. YOU KNOW, WE ARE PROPOSING JUST AS A RECAP, YOU KNOW, CHANGES TO DEFINITION CHANGE TO THE DEFINITION OF CHILD CARE CENTER, WE'RE ADDING A NEW DEFINITION CHILD CARE CENTER, SHARED INSTITUTIONAL FACILITY, ADDING A DEFINITION FOR PLANNING MANAGER, PROVIDING OPERATIONAL STANDARDS FOR CHILD CARE CENTER, SHARED INSTITUTIONAL FACILITY. AND THAT IS A SUMMARY OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, MISS COLTON. I'M GOING TO OPEN IT UP TO COMMISSIONERS, BUT I HAVE ONE CLARIFICATION ON SLIDE SEVEN. GO BACK A SLIDE, MAYBE
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FIVE. SLIDE THAT TALKED ABOUT THE DEFINITION OF PLANNING MANAGER. AND I JUST WANTED SOME CLARIFICATION OF WHY WE'RE INCLUDING PLANNING MANAGER. WHAT'S THE GOAL THERE? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT? ADDING A CITY STAFF DEFINITION, ALONG WITH A CHILD CARE FACILITY. I CAN DO THAT. OKAY. WE'RE ADDING THAT ESSENTIALLY JUST AS A HOUSEKEEPING MATTER. IT'S IT'S JUST KIND OF TACKED ON IN HERE BECAUSE IT'S USED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE ORDINANCE AS A DEFINED TERM, BUT IT'S NEVER ACTUALLY DEFINED WHO THAT IS.SO IT'S REALLY JUST A HOUSEKEEPING MATTER, DOESN'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CHILD CARE STUFF. SO IT'S THERE, BUT WE'RE ADDING THE DEFINITION. IT'S USED ELSEWHERE IN THE ZONING CODE NEVER DEFINED. SO NOW THAT WE'RE AMENDING THE ZONING CODE, WE'RE JUST KIND OF TAGGING IT IN. OKAY, AS A HOUSEKEEPING MATTER. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IT CHANGES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. JUST PROVIDES MORE CLARIFICATION AND DEFINITION. OKAY. THANK YOU.
I'LL OPEN IT UP. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? VICE CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. QUICK QUESTION. IS THERE A REASON A REASON WHY WE'RE ADJUSTING IT? LIKE, IS THERE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS OR DESIRE FOR THIS IN OUR CITY? HAVE WE SEEN A LOT OF THAT? IF WE HAVE, HOW MANY IS IT? IS IT A HAS IT BEEN TRACKED IN IF I'M CORRECT ON THAT SLIDE, IT'S SURROUNDING CITIES. DON'T DO IT. CORRECT. FOR THE MOST PART. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. IT'S JUST DALLAS THAT DOES. AND SO WE WOULD BE INNOVATIVE. WE'VE ACTUALLY GOT ONE REQUEST. AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE A SPEAKER WHO IS GOING TO COME FORWARD DURING A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT. SO IS THERE ANY NUMBER THAT YOU CAN GIVE ME OF FOR US TO CHANGE THIS? IT WAS THIS MANY LIKE WE'VE HAD A CONSISTENT DO WE HAVE KIDS NOT BEING ABLE TO GET ENROLLED IN THE CURRENT CITY? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER. WE BASICALLY HAVE ONE REQUEST THAT I'M AWARE OF FOR THIS. OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION, MISTER COMMISSIONER ALEXIS, SIMILAR TO THE COMMISSIONER, LIKE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SOLVE IS LIKE, WHAT ARE WE SOLVING FOR? WHAT'S BEHIND, WHAT'S DRIVING THIS CHANGE IN PARTICULAR? WHY NOW? OKAY, SO WE DID HAVE A REQUEST TO COME BEFORE US. AND THEN IN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT FROM A ZONING STANDPOINT AND HOW THAT USE COULD BE ALLOWED AND HOW IT WOULD PROVIDE ACCESS TO FACILITIES THAT ARE SITTING VACANT NOW. THAT'S THE REASON WHY IT'S BEING PROPOSED. COMMISSIONER. LAURA, I JUST HAVE A QUICK FOLLOW UP. YOU MENTIONED THE FACILITIES THAT ARE SITTING VACANT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE STATING THAT THAT BUILDING SHOULD BE USED PRIMARILY AS A RELIGIOUS OR INSTITUTIONAL. SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE THAT CONNECTION OF OF SITTING VACANT. AND ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MAYBE DURING THE WEEK? YES. DURING THE WEEK. YES, EXACTLY. YES. YEAH. VICE CHAIR, I'M SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY. AND WHEN WE SAY CHILD CARE OR BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING DAYCARE OFF. CORRECT. IS THERE A CERTAIN AGE GROUP AND DOES THAT AGE. GIVE ME ONE SECOND. DOES THAT AGE GROUP, CAN THAT AGE GROUP BE ENROLLED INTO OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT? OKAY? YES. SO IT IS 14 AND UNDER, BUT WE KNOW THAT KIDS THAT ARE SCHOOL AGE ARE IN SCHOOL. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXTRA BEFORE AND AFTER. YES. AND OUR DISTRICT DOES PROVIDE THAT. CORRECT. AFTER AND AFTER THAT, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. THAT'S FINE. COMMISSIONERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MISS COLTON? QUICK QUESTION. CAN MULTIPLE DAYCARE FACILITIES BE HOUSED AT THE SAME LOCATION? I GET THE SUSTAINABILITY PIECE AND I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF MAXIMIZING THE USE AT FACILITIES. BUT CAN WE LICENSE MULTIPLE AND WHO'S, YOU KNOW, TRACKING AND DOING ALL THE INSPECTION AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE OPERATING ACCORDING TO THESE NEW STANDARDS? OKAY. SO THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED. CAN YOU COME UP TO THE MIC A LITTLE BIT MORE? OH, I'M SORRY. CAN Y'ALL IS THIS BETTER? OKAY. I'M SORRY. BUT YES. SO THEY WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, THE CO PROCESS AND THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS. SO
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CONCEIVABLY I GUESS MULTIPLE CURRENTLY THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD NOT PRECLUDE, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE DAYCARE CENTERS FROM OPERATING. HOWEVER, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE CO REQUIREMENTS. ANOTHER QUESTION WITH THIS SLIDE. THAT'S UP. IT ONLY SHOWS CITY OF DALLAS. AND NONE OF OUR BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES OR NONE OF THE CITIES SOUTH ALLOW THIS BY. RIGHT. DO WE KNOW IF THERE ARE SOME DISADVANTAGES OR CONS TO THIS AMENDMENT THAT WE'RE AWARE OF? NONE THAT I AM AWARE OF. I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW THAT. THE OTHER CITIES HAVE LOOKED AT IT RECENTLY AND LOOKED TO SEE IF IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY WORK, BUT THERE AREN'T ANY THAT I'M AWARE OF AT THIS TIME. GOT IT. BUT YEAH, MAYBE WE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, INNOVATIVE. AND THE FIRST. SO. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR. ONE LAST QUESTION. IS THERE ANY FEES OR ANYTHING THAT THE CITY IS GETTING WHEN WE'RE LICENSING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? IS THERE ANY CONTRIBUTION COMING BACK TO THE CITY? BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE ONE APPLICANT AND WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE AN ENTIRE. ZONING ORDER. SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE INCENTIVE FOR THE CITY TO CHANGE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. OKAY. THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY INCENTIVES OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, CO FEES, BUILDING PERMIT FEES, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY ANYTHING ON TOP OF THAT. DO YOU OKAY. YEAH, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANYTHING ON TOP OF THAT. IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONERS FOR STAFF, WE COULD OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? OKAY. AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN. THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. YES. AT THIS TIME. 622 WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.IS THERE ANYONE HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR AGAINST OR HAVE COMMENTS? WE HAVE ONE PERSON.
I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN YOU DO MY TIME? THANK YOU. GARY REED. MR. REED, CAN YOU STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK, OKAY. YES. GARY REED ACTUALLY LIVE IN CEDAR HILL, BUT I'M REPRESENTING WINDSOR PARK BAPTIST CHURCH, 750 WEST PLEASANT RUN ROAD HERE IN DESOTO. SO WE'RE ABOUT A MILE WEST OF HERE ON PLEASANT RUN. AND I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LETTING ME SPEAK AND, AND TALK TO YOU. WHAT I THINK IS A PRETTY GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW THIS ZONING ORDINANCE COULD CHANGE THINGS FOR US. CERTAINLY OUR CHURCH AND A CHILD CARE FACILITY, BUT COULD LIKELY OPEN THE DOOR FOR SOME OTHERS THAT PROBABLY HAVE THE SIMILAR NEED AND AN OPPORTUNITY. OUR CHURCH, WE'VE BEEN ON THE CORNER THERE, WINDSOR TO WESTMORELAND AND PLEASANT RUN FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS NOW, AND FOR THE LAST, GOING BACK ABOUT 12 OR 15 YEARS.
I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHEN WE STARTED IT, BUT WE HAD A HAD OUR OWN AS KIND OF A MINISTRY, CHILD CARE, AND EVEN UP TO PRIMARY SCHOOL FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. AND COMING THROUGH COVID, WE SUFFERED QUITE A LOT. AND THEN WE WOUND UP CLOSING DOWN OUR FACILITY, WHICH ALWAYS WAS IN A PARTICULAR SEPARATE WING OF THE CHURCH BUILDING THAT WE HAVE THERE AT THAT LOCATION.
AND IT'S BEEN CLOSED NOW FOR A WHILE, BUT WE HAD THAT AREA SET UP PERFECTLY WELL FOR THE CHILD CARE FACILITY AND THE PRESCHOOL THAT WE HAD THERE FOR OPERATING THERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
AND SO WHEN WE HAD BEEN CONTACTED BY A LOCAL CHILD CARE COMPANY THAT'S BEEN OPERATING HERE IN DESOTO FOR, FOR SEVERAL YEARS AT THE COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED THE COMMUNITY BAPTIST CHURCH OVER ON BELTLINE ROAD. AND THE THAT BUILDING THAT THEY'VE BEEN OPERATING IN WAS PURCHASED BY THE CITY OF DESOTO, AS SOME OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW. AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY WERE BEING DISPLACED AND WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVING OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING THAT THEY WERE OPERATING IN. SO PASTORS TALKED AS THEY DO, YOU KNOW, AND REVEREND EPPS OVER THERE AT THAT CHURCH, AND OUR PASTOR RECOGNIZED THAT WE ACTUALLY HAD ROOMS, A SPACE SET UP WITHIN OUR CHURCH THAT COULD WORK VERY WELL FOR MISS KINGSLEY AND HER
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HER BUSINESS THAT WAS BEING DISPLACED FROM THE CHURCH THERE. AND SO WE BEGAN VISITING WITH HER AND WORKING OUT HOW WE COULD FACILITATE HER RELOCATING FROM THAT CHURCH OVER TO OUR CHURCH HERE IN DESOTO. AND SO WHAT WE CAME UP AGAINST THEN, OF COURSE, WAS UNDERSTANDING THAT DESOTO DOES NOT ALLOW IN ANY SINGLE FAMILY ZONING THE POTENTIAL OPERATION OF A CHILD CARE FACILITY. AND IT'S I SAW THE LIST OF THESE CITIES HERE. I DO KNOW FROM CHECKING AROUND A LITTLE BIT, TOO, THAT SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES CLOSE BY HERE WILL ALLOW WITH SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SOME SOME CHILD IN, IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND SO FORTH. SO AND I THINK THERE ARE SOME OTHER CITIES MAYBE A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY THAT ALSO ALLOW THE INSTITUTIONAL USE. SO IT'S NOT A NEW IDEA PARTICULARLY, BUT IT WILL BE A NEW IDEA FOR DESOTO. THANK YOU SIR. YOUR TIME IS UP. CAN I JUST MAKE ONE MORE QUICK STATEMENT? GO AHEAD. I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT YOU TALK ABOUT INCENTIVE. I THINK THE INCENTIVE LARGELY FOR THE CITY IS TO ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL CHILD CARE FACILITIES THAT ARE VERY MUCH NEEDED IN OUR COMMUNITIES TODAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. THERE'S NOBODY ELSE. NO OTHER CITIZENS. ALL RIGHT. AT 626, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL STAFF? DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO PRESENT? I DO HAVE A COMMENT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DISADVANTAGES.OBVIOUSLY THIS COULD BE COULD BE LOOKED AT AS AN INNOVATIVE WAY TO HAVE SOME OF THE CHURCHES TO RUN A DAYCARE FACILITY IN A ZONING DISTRICTS. SOME OF THE DISADVANTAGES, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY YOU CAN BASICALLY REPLACE THE THE COMMERCIAL DAYCARES WITH THIS TYPE OF OPERATION. THE OTHER DISADVANTAGE COULD BE TRAFFIC. YOU'RE GENERATING MORE TRAFFIC.
SO WE DO REALIZE THERE IS A LOT OF BENEFITS FROM THIS SETUP, BUT ALSO IT COMES WITH SOME OF THE DISADVANTAGES. AND COMMISSIONERS. KEEP IN MIND THAT WAS AN UPDATE THAT WE.
THIS IS KIND OF WE HAD OUR WORK SESSION BEFORE. AND TODAY WE'RE JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE COMMENTS THAT WE COLLECTED FROM YOU ALL, WE BUILT THE CASE. BUT WHAT WE COULD ALSO DO, IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE TO APPROVE IT TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY ALLOW CHURCHES TO HAVE THIS OPERATION BY, RIGHT, WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISE IT AND DO AN EP INSTEAD. SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO YOU ALL. BUT ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT Y'ALL CAN, CAN CONSIDER. THANK YOU, MR. CASEY. VICE CHAIR, YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES. TYPICALLY WHEN WE'RE ASKING FOR A CHANGE, USUALLY WOULD SAY LIKE STAFF IS IN AGREEMENT OR STAFF IS NOT IN AGREEMENT, IS STAFF IN AGREEMENT OR NOT IN AGREEMENT WITH THIS CHANGE? NO. WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATION FOR TONIGHT. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT, WHAT WE COULD DO, WE CAN COME BACK AND CHANGE IT FOR AN S P INSTEAD.
COMMISSIONER, JUST A LITTLE REFRESHER FOR ME. WHO APPROVES THOSE SPS IS THAT IT'LL BE YOU AND THE CITY COUNCIL. SO SO BASICALLY, AND THIS IS A GREAT QUESTION, WHEN WE DO THIS, IT FITS BY RIGHT. THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE PNC COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL.
BUT THEN IF IT'S BY S P, THEY CAN HAVE IT AS LONG AS PNC APPROVES IT AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVES IT. THAT BEING SAID, THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE CONTROL OVER HOW MANY DAYCARES WILL BE APPROVED IN A PLACE OR A DISTRICT WHEN IS ASSOCIATED WITH INSTITUTIONAL PLACES. COMMISSIONER ALEXIS YES. SO I I'M FEELING LIKE BY RIGHT WOULD BE MORE EFFICIENT AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO CONTINUOUSLY APPROVE. BUT BECAUSE THIS INVOLVES CHILDREN AND THE EDUCATION OF CHILDREN, I THINK I AM, YOU KNOW, MORE INCLINED WITH THE SUP APPROACH OR AT LEAST TAKING A LOOK AT IT AND DISCUSSING IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT BY. RIGHT. SO AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S IT'S MORE EFFICIENT BY RIGHT. BUT THERE IS ALSO A RISK THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
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MADAM CHAIR, WHAT IS THE FEE FOR AN SUP. THAT $3,000. CAMBRIA. THANK YOU. IT COULD POSE A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP ON SOMEONE TRYING TO DO IT IN THEIR HOME OR IN A CHURCH, BECAUSE A LOT OF SMALL CHURCHES MAY NOT HAVE THAT MUCH UNLESS THEY PICK UP A LOVE OFFERING OR SOMETHING. SO WE NEED TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, FEES ASSOCIATED WITH IT, AND WE DON'T SEPARATE BETWEEN US. IT'S ONLY 1SP WHETHER IT'S A CHURCH OR, YOU KNOW, A BIG DEVELOPMENT. BUT TO THIS POINT, THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED WHEN WE UPDATE THE FEES IN THE FUTURE. AND WE, WE COULD SEPARATE BETWEEN THOSE AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE SPECIFIC FEES FOR SPECIFIC PLACES. COMMISSIONER JONES SO THE QUESTION WE KEEP ASKING THE QUESTION, WHAT'S THE DEMAND? WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE DEMAND IS. WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE NEED CHILDCARE. WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN DESOTO.WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE LIVING HERE, AND MANY OF THEM HAVE SMALL CHILDREN. SO THE DEMAND WE HAVEN'T DONE THE STATISTICS TO SAY HOW OVERCROWDED THE CURRENT DAYCARES ARE. HAVE WE KNOW WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY STATISTICS, BUT IT'S BASED ON, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE AND EXPERT LEVELS, EXPERT LEVELS, YOU KNOW, OPINIONS AND, AND JUST TO PROVIDE MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO, TO THOSE BUILDINGS. AND KEEP IN MIND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT, THAT CHURCH FOR, FOR AN EXAMPLE, IT'S A BIG CHURCH AND IT WAS DESIGNED BACK THEN TO HAVE THE CLASSES WITH THE CHURCH, LIKE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF LIKE, LIKE A BIGGER BUILDING. AND THEN IN THIS CASE, IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ANY, THIS TYPE OF ANY TYPE OF THIS OPERATION, THEN BASICALLY THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING WILL BE KIND OF OBSOLETE. SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU'RE LOSING THAT PORTION TOO. AND WE'RE SAYING THAT THE CURRENT DAYCARE THAT WAS AT THE OTHER PASTORS CHURCH IS EITHER GOING TO HAVE TO LEAVE DESOTO OR TRY AND FIND ANOTHER PLACE SO AND SO. SO THEY'RE NOT THEY DON'T HAVE IT NOW. THEY DON'T THEY, THEY HAVE THAT IN THE PAST. THEY TRIED TO HAVE IT, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERMITTED. WE DON'T HAVE THAT IN THE ORDINANCE. SO IF WE CONTINUE NOT HAVING IT, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS OPERATION.
COMMISSIONERS, LET'S STICK TO DO WE WANT TO APPROVE THE CASE THAT'S PRESENTED TO US WITHOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION SPECIFIC CASES? I KNOW HE MENTIONED IT, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO GET INTO SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TOWARDS AN EXISTING CASE TOO MUCH. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOMEONE COME AND SPEAK AND IDENTIFY THAT, BUT THAT WASN'T A PART OF STAFF'S REC STAFF'S PROPOSAL. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? COMMISSIONERS? OKAY. WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT I SEE SOME ADVANTAGES OF THIS. I SEE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BE AN ENTREPRENEUR AND START A BUSINESS, A CHILD CARE FACILITY, IF YOU'RE PARTNERING AND DON'T HAVE TO GET YOUR OWN BUILDING, THAT'S AN ADVANTAGE. THAT'S AN OVERHEAD SAVINGS, PERHAPS. AND I DO HAVE REAL CONCERNS WITH SUPSI THINK THEY'RE VERY SUBJECTIVE WITH THE DECISION MAKING. IT DEPENDS ON WHO'S AT THIS DAIS APPROVING OR DENYING IT. AND YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I THINK OUR GOAL IS TO BE TRANSPARENT AND POINT TO THE POLICIES THAT ARE ON THE BOOK AS WE MAKE DECISIONS FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO. SO WITH THAT, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MADAM CHAIRMAN, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED. KZ1551-26 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF.
I SECOND THAT MOTION. AND BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD, STAFF, CAN YOU REMIND ME, DID I CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I DID OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR CASE NUMBER Z15551-26. ANY QUESTIONS? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED, SAY NAY. THE MOTION CARRIES 1234 5 TO 1. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS
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TO INFORMATION REGARDING HOLIDAY SCHEDULES. THREE A RECOGNITION OF AN INDIVIDUAL FOR A REMINDER ABOUT AN UPCOMING PLANNING AND ZONING EVENT. FIVE ANNOUNCEMENTS INVOLVING AN IMMINENT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. I ONLY HAVE TWO ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST FOR YOU TONIGHT. THE FIRST ONE IS THE DOCUMENT SHREDDING AND RECYCLING EVENT, WHICH IS ON SATURDAY, MAY 16TH FROM 8 TO 11 A.M. AND THE ACCEPTABLE ITEMS ARE LISTED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE COLUMN THAT THE SHEET THAT YOU ALL HAVE, IT WOULD BE AT DESOTO SERVICE CENTER. AND THE NEXT IS FOR THE MEMORIAL DAY.WE HAVE TWO THINGS COMING UP. ONE IS THE MILITARY APPRECIATION AND THE OTHER IS THE MILITARY DAY CEREMONY. IT'S ON 23RD AND 25TH, RESPECTIVELY, AND THE TIMINGS ARE MENTIONED IN THERE. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO COMMUNITY INTERESTS THAT I HAVE FOR YOU. ALL THAT CONCLUDES FROM MY END. THANK YOU, MISS PATEL. MAYOR PRO TEM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE? HEY EVERYBODY, I HOPE YOU ALL ARE HAVING A GREAT MONTH AND A GREAT YEAR SO FAR.
AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR SERVICE TO DESOTO. IT DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT YESTERDAY THE COUNCIL MET TO START OUR BUDGET CONVERSATIONS. AND WHILE ALL OF IT IS VERY INTERESTING, I DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THERE WERE THINGS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES THAT I JUST WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT IS COMING DOWN THE LINE. THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING, AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL ARE PARTICIPANT IN THE CONVERSATION AROUND IT, BECAUSE WE WILL POSSIBLY HAVE A CONVERSATION AROUND A BOND FOR ADDITIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I KNOW THAT ALL THINGS INFRASTRUCTURE AND MOVING AND PLANNING FOR OUR CITY IS YOUR JAM. SO JUST STAY CONNECTED OUR NEXT. SO WE GET OUR BUDGET BOOKS IN JUNE, AND I WILL HOST SOME VIRTUAL MEETINGS FOR THOSE THAT WISH TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE BUDGET. AND THEN AUGUST, WE START OUR BUDGET CONVERSATION. ACTUALLY, IT'S THE DAY BEFORE MY WEDDING ANNIVERSARY AND IT ALWAYS HAPPENS THIS WAY. JULY 30TH AND THE 31ST. IT IS OUR BUDGET WORKSHOP. IF YOU CAN, PLEASE TRY TO ATTEND THOSE. IF YOU REMEMBER THE THURSDAY WE START ON A THURSDAY NIGHT AROUND. SO THE 30TH, IT'LL BE LIKE 5:06 P.M. AND THEN THAT FRIDAY MORNING AT 8 A.M. WE COME BACK AND WE'VE ASKED THAT OUR DIRECTORS PRESENT SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THEIR HIGHLIGHTS. EVERYBODY HAD HIGHLIGHTS. EVERYBODY WANTS ADDITIONAL PEOPLE, ADDITIONAL CARS, TRUCKS, ALL THAT JAZZ. SO JUST WANT TO KEEP YOU GUYS INFORMED OF THAT BECAUSE WE ARE GETTING THE INFORMATION AS EARLY. AND IF Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT UPCOMING BUDGET OR YOU WANT SPECIFIC THINGS LOOKED AT, I WILL BE YOUR RESEARCH GIRL. WHATEVER YOU NEED ME TO GO HUNT DOWN WHATEVER YOU NEED ME TO FIND AND BRING BACK. I'M HAPPY TO HELP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY YOU HAVE ANYTHING, COMMISSIONER JONES? OH, YOUR LIGHT WAS ON. YOU ALWAYS DO THAT, SIR. ALL RIGHT.
WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE. OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS ADJOURNMENT. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN, AND WE WILL. COMMISSIONERS DO NOT LEAVE. WE DO HAVE A WORK SESSION IMMEDIATELY AFTER THIS PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. WE CAN TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK OR SO IF YOU LIKE. JUST LET ME KNOW. ALL RIGHT? MOVE TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. BE RIGHT BACK FOR WORK SESSION.
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GOOD EVEE GOING. IT IS 6:47 P.M. AND WE ARE CALLING THE WORK SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER. STAFF. CHECKING THAT. OKAY,[I. WORK SESSION]
JACKIE. GOOD EVENING. DISTINGUISHED MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, WE HAVE FREESE AND NICHOLS. THEY ARE THE CONSULTANT THAT WE HAVE RETAINED TO PERFORM A DIAGNOSTIC STUDY OF OUR ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCES. SO WITH US TONIGHT, WE HAVE WILSON KERR AND MISS LAVENDER. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO LEAD YOU ALL
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IN A SERIES OF QUESTIONS IN ORDER TO ASCERTAIN YOUR THOUGHTS ON, YOU KNOW, CURRENT ZONING, WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE. AND SO BASICALLY, WE'RE SETTING, YOU KNOW, THE SCENE FOR A FULL BLOWN ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE REWRITE. AND THAT'S PHASE TWO. BUT THIS PHASE ONE IS THE DIAGNOSTIC REPORT. SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE MR. WILSON KERR FROM FREEZE AND NICHOLS TO GO THROUGH HIS PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANKS, JACKIE.HELLO COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS WILSON KERR. I'M THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THE DIAGNOSTIC REPORT PROJECT THAT WE ARE WORKING ON. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON NOW FOR THE PAST ABOUT MONTH.
AS JACKIE SAID, I ALSO HAVE LAVENDER PACK HERE. SHE IS ONE OF OUR PROJECT PLANNERS ON ON THIS AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WORK SESSION WITH YOU ALL. SO A BIT ABOUT THE PROJECT. SO THIS IS A FIVE MONTH PROJECT. AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'RE RIGHT IN THAT SECOND MONTH WITH THIS THIS WORK SESSION, I WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS ON THIS CALENDAR. WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, WHICH THESE INCLUDE CITY STAFF INTERVIEWS WITH OUR CITY STAFF AS WELL AS DEVELOPERS. WE HAD A MEETING WITH SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS THIS MORNING IN PERSON, WHICH WAS GREAT TO, TO GET TO KNOW HOW THEY ARE USING THE CODE AND WHAT ISSUES THEY'RE FACING. WE KIND OF CALL THESE PEOPLE CITY STAFF AND YOUR FREQUENT FLIER DEVELOPERS, THE CODE SUPER USERS, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT REALLY KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING IN THE CODE EVERY DAY. SO THAT'S VERY VITAL TO, TO GET TO KNOW THE INPUT FROM THOSE FOLKS. LAST WEEK, WE ALSO MET WITH THE BOA TO DO A VERY SIMILAR WORK SESSION, ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THIS, TO GET THEIR THOUGHTS ON WHAT THEY'VE SEEN FROM COMING UP TO, TO THEIR BOARD OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. AND WHAT ARE SOME COMMON THEMES THAT THEY'VE SEEN THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ADDRESS MOVING FORWARD? SO WE HAVE THIS WORK SESSION, THIS IS OUR PNC WORK SESSION. AND THEN NEXT WEEK WE ALSO HAVE A COUNCIL WORK SESSION SO THAT WE CAN REALLY GET TO KNOW WHAT THE ISSUES ARE COMING FROM THE CITY LEADERSHIP BODIES. ADDITIONALLY, DURING THE STAKEHOLDER INTERVIEWS, WE HAVE ONE ONE ON ONE INDIVIDUAL INTERVIEWS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AS WELL. AFTER THIS, WE'LL MOVE INTO THE FULL BLOWN REWRITING OF THE DIAGNOSTIC REPORT. WE'VE BEEN REVIEWING THIS, THE DOCUMENT WHILE WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE INTERVIEWS AS WELL, SO THAT WE CAN SEE FROM AN EXPERT'S POINT OF VIEW AND AN OUTSIDER'S POINT OF VIEW, WHAT WE WOULD SEE THE THE ISSUES BEING AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYTHING ALIGNED SO WE CAN MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD. SO WHAT IS A DIAGNOSTIC REPORT? IT'S REALLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. IT WE LOOK AT THE CODE KIND OF LIKE A DOCTOR WOULD LOOK AT YOUR HEALTH CHART. WE ANALYZE THE CODE, IDENTIFY ISSUES AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS. MOVING FORWARD. WE USE THESE RECOMMENDATIONS AS KIND OF OUR CHECKLIST AS WE'RE REWRITING THE CODE IN THAT NEXT PHASE AS, AS JACKIE MENTIONED.
BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INCORPORATING THE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU ALL HAVE APPROVED IN THE PAST, SUCH AS YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR PLAN. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A PHASING PLAN FOR ALL OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS MOVING FORWARD. SO AS YOU SEE, HERE WE ARE. WE'RE RIGHT HERE WITH OUR FIRST STEP OF OUR ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS GETTING IN FRONT OF YOU ALL AS THE THAT BODY. AND WE'LL CONTINUE THOSE STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS OVER THE OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. WE ALSO HAVE A SURVEY THAT WE SENT OUT TO DEVELOPERS AS WELL THAT HAS THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED THE FOLKS THIS MORNING AND THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING OUR DEVELOPERS JUST SO THAT WE CAN GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT NO ONE IS LEFT OUT OF THIS PROCESS. SO WITH THAT, I HAVE ABOUT 15 QUESTIONS THAT WILL BE OPENING UP TO TO YOU ALL. I'LL SPEND ABOUT FIVE MINUTES ON EACH SLIDE, BUT IT'S REALLY WE WANT TO GET TO KNOW HIGH LEVEL ISSUE IDENTIFICATION FROM YOU ALL. SO THAT FIRST, THE FIRST QUESTION IS, IN YOUR OPINION, AS PNC COMMISSIONER, WHAT WORKS WELL WITH THE CODE AND WHAT SHOULD WE AVOID CHANGING. ARE WE SORRY? OH YEAH. I THINK WE HAVE AN EXTRA. FEW FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, PLEASE.
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SO I'LL JUST RAISE THAT QUESTION AGAIN AS A AS A BODY, WHAT ARE WHAT DO YOU ALL SEE THAT WORKS WELL WITH THE CODE? AND WHAT SHOULD WE AVOID CHANGING? WHICH CODE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS, THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. WELL, WE ALSO HAVE THE HAMPTON ROAD. SURE, SURE. YES. SO THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR WILL BE KIND OF AN OVERLAY THAT WILL BRING INTO THE OVERALL CODE. WE'RE WE'RE ASKING ABOUT ANYTHING EXCEPT HAMPTON ROAD. YOU CAN BRING IN THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR IF YOU'D LIKE AS WELL. ARE WE ALSO REFERRING TO JUST THE FUTURE LAND USE? SO FUTURE LAND USE THAT'S PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THAT'S THAT'S NOT COVERING ZONING.THAT'S A GUIDE FOR YOU ALL AS YOU'RE MAKING YOUR DECISIONS. OKAY. SO THIS IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT ZONING AND SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS. COMMISSIONERS. I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHAT REALLY WORKS WELL IS HAVING KNOWLEDGEABLE STAFF WHO CAN EXPLAIN IT AS THEY'RE BRIEFING THE CASES THAT COME BEFORE US AND EXPLAIN HOW IT RELATES TO THE CODE. AND THEN HAVING A CITY ATTORNEY WHO MAKES SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THE CODE. BUT. I CAN'T SPECIFICALLY THINK OF TOO MANY WHERE I HAD ISSUES AND QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CODE ITSELF AND HOW SOMETHING WASN'T ALIGNING. OKAY, GREAT. WELL, THAT KIND OF RUNS INTO SORRY, I DO HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH SIDE YARD SETBACKS. OKAY. THEY HAVE BEEN DECREASED SINCE I WAS ON THE THE COMMISSION BEFORE, AND WE'VE HAD SOME DEVELOPERS COME IN AND WANT TO DECREASE THEM DOWN TO FIVE FOOT, SEVEN FOOT, YOU KNOW, WHICH THAT GETS INTO LIFE SAFETY FROM MY STANDPOINT. AND I CAN'T SUPPORT THE, YOU KNOW, SHRINKING THE SIDE SETBACKS. SURE, SURE. AND I DID JUST ADVANCE TO OUR SECOND QUESTION, WHICH IS WHAT DOES NOT WHAT IS NOT WORKING WELL WITH THE CODES, SINCE WE'RE IDENTIFYING SOME, SOME OF THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE, ARE FREQUENT AS WELL. ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL HAVE SEEN? COMMISSIONER DEWBERRY MENTIONED THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS. ANY ANY SPECIFIC INSTANCES LIKE THAT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC USE PERMITS AS WELL? WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING WITHIN WITHIN THE CODE. YES. SO SUPS ARE DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT. WELL, FROM THE SUP PERSPECTIVE, I JUST DON'T SEE THEM WORKING CONSISTENTLY THE SAME WAY ACROSS THE CITY. AT ANY GIVEN TIME. WHEN SOMEONE APPLIES FOR THINGS UNDER THE SUP, AGAIN, IT'S A MATTER OF WHO'S APPROVING AND WHAT THE CONVERSATION IS. AND YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MEMORY WE HAVE ABOUT PREVIOUS CASES THAT REQUIRED AN SUP FOR THE SAME TYPES OF USES.
I JUST DON'T SEE THEM WORKING WELL BECAUSE THERE'S AN INCONSISTENCY IN HOW THEY'RE APPLIED AND WHEN THEY'RE APPROVED, IT TENDS TO INFER THERE'S SOME LACK OF TRANSPARENCY OR FAVORITISM, AND IT CAUSES CONCERNS WITH WHAT OUR CITIZENS, OUR RESIDENTS.
SURE. I HAVE ONE. WHEN WE SEE ZONING CASES, WE OFTEN RECEIVE A LOT OF DEVIATION. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A DISCONNECT WITH THE PARK THAT'S OUT THERE AND MAYBE OLDER CODE THAT'S NOT UP TO DATE. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT MAYBE THINGS ARE HERE AND THERE THAT YOU WILL HAVE TO GET A DEVIATION, BUT IT'S SO COMMON JUST TO RECEIVE A P D AND IT'S LIKE DEVIATION, THIS, THIS AND THIS. AND IT'S HOW FAR AWAY ARE WE GETTING FROM THE ACTUAL CODE ITSELF? EXCUSE ME. SHOULD WE BE UPDATING THE CODE INSTEAD OF ALWAYS ALLOWING THESE DEVIATIONS IF THIS IS THE PRODUCT OR DO WE, YOU KNOW, SET A STANDARD LIKE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT THE SOTO THE PRODUCT WE WANT IN THE SOTO AND NOT ALLOW SO MANY DEVIATIONS EVERY TIME.
ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THAT'S COMMON THAT THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, THAT JACKIE AND HER TEAM ARE PURSUING THIS PROJECT IS BECAUSE THE CODE, AS OF AS IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, IS OUT OF DATE. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEW INDUSTRY STANDARDS ARE UP TO DATE WITHIN THE CODE.
SO AVOIDING PD S, WHEN POSSIBLE IS, IS A MAJOR THING THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND. I HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THE PUBLIC NOTICE. SURE. SO I KNOW WE MEET THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT AND WE'RE
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OFTEN PRETTY ON TOP OF THAT THE STAFF. BUT I DON'T THINK AND THIS IS WITHOUT HAVING ACTUALLY SEEN WHAT A PUBLIC NOTICE LOOKS LIKE. I'VE NEVER RECEIVED ONE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE CITIZENS ARE ACTUALLY BEING INFORMED AND ARE UNDERSTANDING. OFTENTIMES THEY'LL COME IN HERE WITH QUESTIONS THAT ARE IRRELEVANT OR EVEN COMMENTS THAT ARE KIND OF IRRELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE WE HAVE TO VOTE ON. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXPANSION OF THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITIZENS. AND SO WHEN WE VOTE, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH MAYBE WE'RE NOT HEARING WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, BUT WE'RE ACTUALLY NOT VOTING ON WHAT WHAT THEY'RE HAVING GRIEVANCES WITH. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AN OPPORTUNITY IS THERE TO LIKE, EDUCATE A LITTLE MORE, MAYBE BE A LITTLE CLEARER ON WHAT THESE WHAT, WHAT THE NOTICES LOOK LIKE. AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE THEM UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BETTER BEFORE THEY, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY COME IN HERE. THANK YOU. YES. SO I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS DEFINITELY MORE A PUBLIC COMMUNICATION UP FRONT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROJECT AND THEY ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT EARLY ON BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO A PUBLIC HEARING. SO WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, IN TUNE WITH THAT AND LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN ENSURE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. AND THAT INFORMATION IS, IS MORE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, TO THE CITIZENS. I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK OFF BOTH OF THOSE COMMENTS. THE FIRST ONE WAS ABOUT THE DEVIATIONS. IS THERE I MY OPINION OR MY THOUGHTS ON IT IS THAT WE, THE STAFF ACTUALLY TYPICALLY IN SOME OF THESE, A LOT OF THE CASES WILL ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE DEVIATIONS. SO IT'S LIKE, WE DO AGREE WITH IT. BUT THEN I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUT IN A WEIRD SITUATION WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO HONOR WHAT THE ACTUAL CODE IS.AND THEN, BUT THE DEVIATIONS ARE DEVIATIONS. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD JUST BE ADJUSTING. I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN WE'RE ADJUSTING THEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO I JUST, I WOULD PIGGYBACK OFF THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER ITEM, I KNOW WE NOT ONLY DO THE, THE LAW ON NOTICE, BUT WE ALSO DO EXTENDING OF THE LAW BY AN ADDITIONAL 200FT. BUT I WILL SAY BEING A RESIDENT HERE, WHEN WE DID THE HAMPTON ROAD PROJECT MEETINGS, EVERYBODY KNEW ABOUT IT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DID DIFFERENTLY, BUT IT WAS ON EVERY CORNER. IT WAS ON EVERY BUSY STREET. AND I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING CAN'T BE LIKE THAT. BUT THERE IS SOME THINGS THAT IT IS CONFUSING TO A RESIDENT. WHEN I KNEW PERSONALLY THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THERE WAS A MEETING THAT NIGHT VERSUS I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS A MEETING ABOUT THESE APARTMENTS.
SO I JUST THINK THAT WE YEAH, THAT'S MY OPINION. WE GOT THE POWER TO DO TO MAKE THEM NO, NO.
AND WE DO GET THE NUMBERS WHEN WE DO IT. SURE. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON, ON THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE OR THINGS THAT AREN'T WORKING ARE COMMON ISSUES. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STANDARD ACROSS EVERY AREA OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE CAN LIVE WITH THE STANDARD, RAISING THE STANDARD AND MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE IN LINE ONE WITH THE LAW, BUT TWO, THAT THE STANDARD IS SUCH THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF DEVIATION BECAUSE WE HAVE A STANDARD. AND HOW WE CREATE THIS CODE IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT OF HOW NOT EVERY CITIZEN IS GOING TO STAND A STANDARD, BECAUSE NOT EVERY CITIZEN UNDERSTANDS HOW IT WORKS. IF WE DO OUR BEST EFFORT AND COMMUNICATING THAT WE DO HAVE A STANDARD, THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF IT.
ABSOLUTELY. WELL, I'LL MOVE FORWARD TO SPEAKING OF STANDARDS, ARE THERE ANY EXISTING DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT ARE MAYBE OVERLY ONEROUS OR CUMBERSOME THAT YOU ALL ARE NOTICING A LOT WHENEVER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE DEVIATIONS, WHAT'S THE KIND OF THE MAIN THING YOU'RE SEEING DEVELOPERS COMING IN AND WANTING TO DEVIATE FROM? THE MAIN THING THAT I'VE SEEN EVERY ALMOST EVERY TIME A DEVELOPER COME IN IS LOT SIZE, HEIGHT, DENSITY.
IT'S THE ROOF. LIKE IT'S, IT'S ALMOST EVERY ASPECT OF THE, OF THE CODE. AND, AND IT SEEMS AS THOUGH WHEN THEY DO COME, THERE IS A CONSISTENCY BEHIND DIFFERENT DEVELOPERS AND EVEN DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT THERE'S LEGITIMATE JUSTIFICATION AND LOGIC BEHIND SOME OF THE DEVIATIONS THEY'RE ASKING FOR, BUT IT'S JUST SO FAR OFF FROM WHERE OUR CODE IS. YEAH. AND, AND ONE THING, WHENEVER WE'RE DOING OUR REVIEWS, WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THOSE PDS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THOSE COMMON THREADS BETWEEN ALL OF THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT YOU ALL, I MEAN, THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CODIFY THAT WHENEVER WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE CODE REWRITE. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON, ON DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS? OKAY.
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WELL, I'LL MOVE FORWARD TO WHAT ARE SOME WHAT ARE SOME STANDARDS THAT MAY BE MISSING? AND ARE THERE CASES OF STANDARDS BEING INADEQUATE IN DESOTO? YOU ALL MENTIONED NOTIFICATION STANDARD NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS. WE HEARD FROM DEVELOPERS. SOME OF THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS SEEM TO BE OVER THE TOP. AND IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER STANDARDS THAT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE NOTICED THAT ARE MISSING OR SHOULD BE CHANGED? ON CERTAIN PDS? I'VE NOTICED OR OR JUST CASES THAT COME BEFORE US? I'VE NOTICED SOME DEVELOPERS WOULD INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, A COMMON SPACE OR GREEN SPACE AND OTHER DEVELOPERS DON'T. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STANDARD JUST, HEY, WHAT ARE WE ACTUALLY, WHEN A NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD WE ASK THESE DEVELOPERS TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE INCLUDING FOR OUR CITIZENS, NOT JUST PUTTING HOUSES ON TOP OF EACH OTHER AND BUILDING AS MANY AS YOU CAN, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAKING A PLACE THAT THEY CAN GO AND BE A PART OF A COMMUNITY IN, YOU KNOW, A NEW APARTMENT COMPLEX OR A NEW SUBDIVISION. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE STANDARDS AROUND GREEN SPACES OR COMMON SPACES. GREAT. THAT'S GREAT INPUT. ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ALL HAVE NOTICED? I THINK SOMETIMES LOOKING AT THE NON CONFORMING PROPERTIES AND JUST MAYBE TAKING A LOOK AT HOW CAN WE, YOU KNOW, MODERNIZE OUR STANDARDS AROUND WHAT WE DO WITH NON CONFORMING PROPERTIES BECAUSE LIKE ESTHETICALLY, IT'S REALLY HARD TO MOVE FORWARD WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF NON CONFORMING PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN GRANDFATHERED IN. AND SO WE, YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, JUST VISUALLY KIND OF SEE IT IN CERTAIN AREAS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT ADDRESSED. YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S VERY COMMON THAT WE'VE SEEN AND WE'VE TALKED WITH, WITH JACKIE ABOUT THIS, THAT SOME OF THESE AREAS ARE, YOU KNOW, LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING, BUT THE CITY CAN, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE GETTING A NEW TENANT OR A NEW USER IN CERTAIN AREAS OR WANTING TO CHANGE CERTAIN THINGS, THEN IT'S, THAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, YOU HAVE TO RAISE YOUR STANDARDS TO MEET, MEET WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING FOR HERE. AND WHILE ON THE TOPIC OF THAT, ALSO JUST I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A DESIGN ESTHETIC LIKE ARCHITECTURALLY, LIKE A SIGNATURE FOR THE CITY. SO LIKE, I KNOW, I THINK KIND OF JUST A LITTLE DISJOINTED SOMETIMES. SO, AND I KNOW IT'S ALREADY IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE PRESENT. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THESE REGULATIONS THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH AREN'T JUST TO. KIND OF GUIDE WHAT DEVELOPERS ARE DOING, BUT THEY'RE ALSO TO GUIDE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY WHENEVER IT DOES IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ARE OUR LISTED WITHIN THE CODE. I HAVE A QUESTION, COMMISSIONER ALEXIS. SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO LIKE LANDSCAPING STANDARDS, MONUMENT STANDARDS, WAYFINDING, THOSE KIND OF ESTHETIC FEATURES, THOSE FEATURES AS WELL AS LIKE THE BUILDING MATERIALS, COLOR, PAINT, COLOR, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT. SO BUILDING MATERIALS IS TOUGH BECAUSE ON A STATE LEVEL, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO REQUIRE CERTAIN BUILDING MATERIALS. THERE ARE THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO, DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS THAT YOU CAN DO WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK FOR THOSE THINGS UP FRONT TO HELP, YOU KNOW, WITH. YOU CAN, YOU CAN USE THOSE AS A, AS A BARGAINING CHIP, ESSENTIALLY MOVING FORWARD, BUT YOU CAN'T REQUIRE SPECIFIC MATERIAL TYPES. SO WE DO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THAT. BUT THERE CAN BE A LIST OF PREFERRED MATERIAL TYPES AND PREFERRED COLORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WITH THINGS LIKE MONUMENT SIGNAGE AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, WE CAN REQUIRE CERTAIN CERTAIN TYPES OF OF THINGS. A LOT OF THAT ALSO HAPPENS IN THE COVENANT FOR HOAS, DOESN'T IT? YES. SO HOAS, YES. THEY'RE THEY'RE ABLE TO TO DICTATE THAT. BUT FOR, FOR LIKE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. SO FOR COMMISSIONER ALEXIS, I JUST WANTED TO ASK WHETHER OR NOT YOU WERE REFERRING TO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO LIKE A, AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, LIKE A CONSERVATION DISTRICT, YOU MIGHT SEE WHERE IN CERTAIN OR[01:00:03]
BASED OFF OF THE ARCHITECTURE OR THE MATERIAL AND PAINT, PAINT COLOR OF CERTAIN HOUSES, LIKE THEY'RE RESTRICTED TO CERTAIN THINGS LIKE THAT. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE WANTING TO SEE? LIKE, YEAH, I THAT'S, I THINK OVERALL, LIKE SOMETIMES YOU GO INTO SOME CITIES AND IT HAS A SIGNATURE LOOK. AND SO IT'S CONSISTENT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TAKE A PICTURE SOMEWHERE AND YOU CAN SAY, OH, THAT'S THERE IN MANSFIELD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. OKAY. SO LIKE, I DON'T KNOW THE TERMINOLOGY FOR IT, BUT THAT'S THE BEST I CAN. I'M JUST THINKING THAT IT MIGHT BE YOU MIGHT BE REFERRING TO A CONSERVATION DISTRICT, BUT YEAH, WE'LL TOUCH BASE WITH THAT. NICHOLAS. THANK YOU. I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO. WELL, FIRST, I'LL SAY I'M UNDER THE MINDSET THAT ALMOST ANYTHING CAN BE ENGINEERED. SO WHEN WE GET THESE DEVIATIONS AND DEVELOPERS ARE SAYING WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A SLOPE ON THE PROPERTY, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER EDUCATE THE COMMISSION AND PROVIDE TECHNICAL SUPPORT TO DEFINITIVELY LET US KNOW WHEN SOMETHING CANNOT BE ENGINEERED OR IS NOT TECHNICAL SOUND, NOT ONLY IF IT'S IF IT'S A FINANCIAL HARDSHIP FOR THE DEVELOPER. SO REALLY UNDERSTANDING THOSE DEVIATIONS THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW AND NOT JUST SAYING DEVIATIONS BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER SAYS HE CANNOT PUT A HOUSE AT THIS LOCATION BECAUSE THERE'S A SLOPE WHEN THEY CAN ACTUALLY PAY, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A FINANCIAL BURDEN.YES, IT MAY, BUT IF IT CAN BE ENGINEERED, I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON SOUND ENGINEERING, TECHNICAL OR FINANCIAL HARDSHIP, AND THAT WILL HELP US MAKE BETTER AND MORE INFORMED DECISIONS. SURE. ABSOLUTELY. WELL, I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS HOW IS THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WORKING IN YOUR OPINION, AND HAS A PROCEDURAL HICCUP EVER DELAYED A PROJECT? YIKES. I KNOW THIS IS THE THIS IS THE BIG ONE. YOU KNOW, I THINK THE PROCESS WOULD BE WORKING FINE IF WE EMBED IT IN THE PROCESS OF BETTER AND MORE STRATEGIC COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ASPECT. I THINK A LOT OF THE NOISE THAT COMES, YOU KNOW, TO TALK ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT OR THE PROCESS HAVE NOT BEEN PROPERLY INFORMED, EDUCATED ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER IS TRYING TO DO AND HOW IT ALIGNS WITH OUR CODES AND HOW THERE WAS PREVIOUSLY ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT LIKE THE LAND USE PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, HOW THINGS ALIGN. SO IT'S LIKE THEY'RE HEARING IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AND IT SIGNIFICANTLY DELAYS DEVELOPMENT IN OUR CITY. SO EMBEDDING MORE OF A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EDUCATION TO THE COMMUNITY WOULD HELP THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. BUT I DON'T AND IT HELPS THAT THAT HINDERS US BECAUSE WHEN FOLKS SHOW UP TO SPEAK AT PUBLIC MEETINGS, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW IT'S BEEN VETTED BY STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON POLICIES, BUT WE'RE ALSO MAKING DECISIONS BASED ON FOLKS WHO ARE COMING AND SPEAKING IN FAVOR OR AGAINST SOME OF THE PROJECTS. SO EMBEDDING THAT COMMUNITY ASPECT INTO THE PROCESS NEEDS TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVED. OKAY. I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO BETTER IS SOME OF THE DRAWINGS THAT WE HAVE ON CURRENT LAND ARE NOT TRUE. SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT THERE. AND SO BECAUSE A DEVELOPER COMES AND SAYS, WE GIVE THEM A SET OF DRAWINGS THAT SAYS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THIS. AND WHEN IT'S NOT THERE, THAT CREATES A REAL HARDSHIP AND IT LEAVES US IN TROUBLE BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING, YOU THE CITY'S TOLD ME THAT THIS EXISTS AND IT DOESN'T. SOME OF THOSE DRAWINGS ARE DATED. AND SO I THINK A PART OF THE CREATIVE HICCUPS IN THE PROJECT AND THE DELAYS IN WHAT WHAT'S IN THE DRAWINGS IS NOT ACCURATE INFORMATION. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A BETTER JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE GIVE A DEVELOPER DRAWINGS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THERE IS THERE. OKAY, THAT BRINGS UP ANOTHER POINT TALKING ABOUT DRAWINGS, BECAUSE MANY TIMES WHEN A DEVELOPER OR WHEN STAFF IS PRESENTING SOMETHING AND THEY'RE SHOWING IMAGES, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THESE ARE JUST IMAGES OF WHAT IT COULD LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY BUILT AND IT LOOKS TOTALLY DIFFERENT, THERE'S A LACK OF TRUST IN THE PROCESS. SO ENSURING THAT WHAT'S BEING COMMUNICATED AND SHARED IN THE COMMUNITY IS
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ACTUALLY WHAT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED AND CONSTRUCTED TO LOOK AS THOUGH, AS, YOU KNOW, MEET THE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT HAS BEEN PUT OUT IN THE COMMUNITY. THERE'S A LOT OF MISTRUST. ABSOLUTELY. AND ALL OF THIS AFFECTS THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. NOT MAY NOT BE CODING ISSUE, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY IMPACTING THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. ANOTHER DELAY. AND JUST ENSURING THAT WE HAVE, I GUESS, ALL THE RELEVANT INFORMATION AND TIME FOR A CASE OR THAT CASE SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO US. FOR EXAMPLE, A TRAFFIC STUDY, IF A TRAFFIC STUDY IS VERY VITAL FOR A PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF ENSURING THAT TRAFFIC STUDY IS AVAILABLE, OR THE RESULTS OF THAT IS AVAILABLE BEFORE BRINGING THE CASE FORWARD TO THE COMMISSION, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION, AND WE CAN EITHER MAKE A BAD DECISION OR HAVE TO PUSH THE CASE BACK ANYWAYS. AND SO JUST ENSURING THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE INFORMATION TO, TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION BEFORE A CASE IS TRULY BROUGHT FORWARD. I DON'T THINK THAT HAPPENS OFTEN, BUT EVERY NOW AND THEN I THINK SOMETHING WE CAN JUST DO BETTER ON. SURE. SO I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION HERE. SO THIS IS TALKING MORE ABOUT THE DEVELOPER'S PERSPECTIVE AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY'S PRIORITIES WILL BE DURING THIS UPDATE? SO YOU KNOW YOUR PRIORITIES, BUT HOW DO WE KIND OF ALIGN THOSE PRIORITIES WITH, WITH YOU ALL AND THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY? OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS, WE'VE HAD TWO DEVELOPERS COMING IN, AND THEY WANT TO PUT 10 POUNDS OF FLOUR AND A 5 POUND BAG. I UNDERSTAND THEY'VE GOT TO BE PROFITABLE TO STAY IN BUSINESS, BUT STILL, WE'VE GOT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT TRAFFIC, WHAT IT MIGHT LOOK LIKE TEN YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITIZENS OF THE CITY TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS UP HERE. AND SO SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS LEFT TOWN AND PROPERTY IS UP FOR SALE. SO BE IT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CITIZENS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE THING THAT THAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN THERE'S A SECOND PART OF THIS QUESTION HERE. WHAT ARE PEOPLE MOST VOCAL ABOUT UNDER THE EXISTING CODE? SO THIS IS ALSO TALKING ABOUT YOUR RESIDENCE. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING THE MOST FROM FROM THE RESIDENTS. THAT WE'RE NOT HOLDING PEOPLE UP TO A HIGHER HIGH STANDARD AND THAT WE'RE ALLOWING ANY AND EVERYTHING TO BE BUILT IN COMING TO THE CITY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS WE HEAR QUITE A BIT. WHERE ARE WE GETTING A JOVIS WHEN WE SHOULD BE GETTING AN HEB? SURE. YOU KNOW, SO THE MAIN VOCAL THING WE HEAR IS THAT STANDARD BACK TO THAT STANDARD HOLDING DEVELOPERS UP TO A HIGH STANDARD. I THINK FROM THE BULLET OF WHAT DO WE THINK THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY PRIORITIES WILL BE DURING THIS UPDATE? AS WITH ANY OTHER BUSINESS ENTREPRENEUR, THEY WANT TO MAXIMIZE THEIR PROFIT AND NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANY WHAT THEY CONSIDER UNNECESSARY FINANCIAL HARDSHIPS. WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT, AS COMMISSIONER DEWBERRY SAID, YOU'RE NOT GIVING US A PRODUCT THAT WON'T STAND THE TEST OF TIME, AND IT LOOKS GOOD TODAY AFTER IT'S BUILT, BUT 5 TO 10 YEARS LATER, IT'S BLIGHT IN OUR COMMUNITY. KIND OF JUST TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF THE STANDARDS, ONE ITEM I HEAR A LOT, PARTICULARLY WITH RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEAR DEVELOPMENT, IS BARRIER OR, YOU KNOW, HOW IS THIS ESTHETICALLY MERGE TO WHERE I LIVE? YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WALL FROM SOUNDPROOFING OR LIGHTING? AND SO JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT STANDARD AND THOSE DEVELOPERS TO, HEY, THERE'S NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE RIGHT HERE, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THIS TO BE BUILT HERE, HOW ARE YOU AFFECTING PARTICULARLY YOUR VERY DIRECT NEIGHBORS? YEAH. BEFORE YOU JUST COME AND BUILD WHATEVER. YEAH. SO IMPROVING THE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FROM, FROM EXISTING PROPERTIES. YEAH. THAT'S, I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE GIVING OUR CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY THINGS THAT WE WANT, NOT WHAT A DEVELOPER THINKS WE WANT. YEAH. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE COMMUNICATION IS KEY. WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHAT CAN AND CAN'T BE BUILT IN A PARTICULAR AREA, WE SHOULD BE VETTING TO MAKE SURE THERE IS A DEMAND FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, AND BECAUSE WE ARE SAYING IT DOES MATTER WHAT YOU CAN AND[01:10:03]
CAN'T BRING INTO OUR CITY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS HERE? SO ARE THERE GOOD EXAMPLES OF DEVELOPMENTS OR REGULATIONS FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN DESOTO? NOT NECESSARILY A COPY PASTE, BUT ARE THERE THINGS THAT YOU KNOW YOU COULD EMULATE FOR FOR DESIRED ESTHETICS? I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, TRANSPORTATION PLANNING. PERSON. SO I'M ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT CITIES THAT HAVE GOOD WALKABILITY. SAFETY CAN BE A PERCEPTION. IS THERE GOOD LIGHTING THAT WORKS? YOU KNOW, DO PEOPLE FEEL SAFE? SO MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT BACK TO STANDARDS. WE'RE NOT DOING THE BARE MINIMUM WITH SIDEWALKS AND NOT HAVING A BUFFER. IF I WANT TO TAKE A WALK ALONG BELTLINE ROAD, IT'S SCARY BECAUSE A CAR DRIVING 50MPH FEELS LIKE IT'S DRIVING 100MPH WHEN THERE'S, YOU KNOW, NO BARRIER BETWEEN ME AND A SPEEDING VEHICLE. SO MAKING SURE THAT WHEN WE'RE PUTTING IN INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S THINKING ABOUT PEOPLE FIRST. HOW ARE PEOPLE GOING TO INTERACT WITH THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, BE IT SIDEWALKS OR TRAILS, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET TO AND FROM? DO THEY HAVE TO GET INTO THEIR CAR BECAUSE THERE IS NO INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ALLOW THEM TO WALK TO THE TRAIL THAT'S TWO BLOCKS AWAY. SO MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THERE ARE LOTS OF CITIES THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE WALKABLE. YOU SEE PEOPLE OUT, YOU SEE THEM BEING A COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY ARE OUT WALKING AT 5:00 WHEN THEY GET OFF WORK, SAYING HI TO THEIR NEIGHBORS AND, YOU KNOW, USING THE TRAILS AND FACILITIES BECAUSE IT'S INVITING AND IT'S SEAMLESS AND IT LOOKS GOOD AND IT'S WELL MAINTAINED AND CARED FOR. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR LIGHTING. WE NEED TO GO TO LED LIGHTING. LIGHTING IS BECOMING A REAL CHALLENGE WHEN YOU GO UP AND DOWN HAMPTON.AND WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING LIGHTING. OKAY. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON ON OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN OTHER CITIES THAT ARE GOOD EXAMPLES OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU CAN THINK OF, YOU'D LIKE TO SEE? OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, RESTAURANTS THAT ARE NOT ABUTTING. WELL, I'LL SAY AN ENTERTAINMENT STRIP THAT'S NOT A BUDDING NEIGHBORHOODS CLOSE ENOUGH TO WALK IF YOU CHOOSE TO. BUT NOT HAVING THOSE IMPACTS THAT COMMISSIONER AURORA TALKED ABOUT THE LIGHTING. AND, YOU KNOW, IF IT STAYS OPEN UNTIL 11 P.M. IS THEIR SPOTLIGHT COMING INTO MY BEDROOM WINDOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT? SO THERE ARE LOTS OF CITIES. I THINK WE GO TO. WHAT CITY IS IT? THE LITTLE STEAK HOUSE. BUT WHERE THEY PUT THEIR DEVELOPMENT AND WHERE THEY PUT THEIR RETAIL IS IN A DISTRICT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, INVITING FOR COMMERCIAL RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS AND NOT ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL USES. AND PEOPLE WANT TO BE SLEEP AT 8 P.M. OR 9 P.M. IN DESOTO. WELL, I'LL MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL SLIDE. AND THEN. SO ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOTABLE CHANGES THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE AS A RESULT OF THIS UPDATE? SO KIND OF WHAT IS YOUR ONE BIG THING YOU'D LIKE TO SEE WITH THE ZONING CODE UPDATE? I WANT US TO BE DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY. I DO, I THINK WE'RE STAGNANT IN THAT AREA. SO I THINK WITH THE ZONING UPDATE, IF WE CAN HAVE CODES AND REGULATIONS WHERE THOSE WHO WANT TO DEVELOP HERE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO DO BEFORE THEY COME TO THE TABLE, KNOW WHAT'S ACCEPTABLE, KNOW WHAT THE STANDARD IS. SO WHEN THEY BRING A PRODUCT, IT MEETS ALL OF THOSE CODES AND STANDARDS. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. YOU KNOW, WHILE ALSO, YOU KNOW, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT OUR RESIDENTS DON'T WANT TO SEE. SO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A GOOD MIX OF ENSURING THAT THE COMMUNITY IS BEING HEARD, BUT ALSO THAT WE'RE DEVELOPMENT FRIENDLY. DE SOTO IS KIND OF I THINK WE'RE ABOUT 12MI■S, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE'RE KIND OF LANDLOCKED. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY LARGE PARCELS OF LAND. A LOT OF IT IS SPOTTY. THE LAND THAT IS DEVELOPABLE. SO I THINK WE HAVE GOT TO BE VERY I DON'T WANT TO
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BE, SAY, PICKY, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO REALLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT WE DO WITH THE LAND WE'VE GOT LEFT. I DON'T THINK WE ARE ANY IN ANY POSITION TO SQUANDER IT. SO I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE INCUMBENT ON US TO, TO WRITE THE CODES SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT WHAT WE'VE GOT LEFT AND KEEP WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE LOOKING GOOD. AND, YOU KNOW, ATTRACTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO, TO MOVE HERE. SURE. AND IN A WISH LIST WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE MOVING, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE AND SOME KIND OF CHARGING STATIONS. WE'RE MOVING AS A SOCIETY TO MORE ELECTRICAL AND VEHICLES AND TO COME DOWN MANY OF THE AREAS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE AVAILABILITY. PEOPLE WHO ARE NOW DECIDING TO GO TO CHARGING CARS, ELECTRIC CARS, AND THERE'S A HECK OF A CONVERSATION TO HAVE RIGHT NOW WITH GAS BEING WHAT IT IS. SO I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE SOME CONSIDERATION ON BEING VERY STRATEGIC OF WHAT WE PUT CHARGING STATIONS. OKAY. THIS HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE PROCESS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE LIKE A PROS AND CONS, YOU KNOW, LIKE MORE CONSISTENTLY WHEN THE THE CITY IS BRINGING FORWARD A PROPOSAL. I THINK TODAY. WE DID HAVE KIND OF LIKE THIS IS THE BENEFITS OF IT. AND THEN THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS THAT WE NEED, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD IMPACT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE PROS AND CONS MORE CONSISTENTLY. SURE.AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OTHER OTHER CITIES DO IN THEIR PROCESSES. SO YEAH, WE CAN ABSOLUTELY LOOK INTO THAT. I KNOW THAT CAMBRIA WORKED IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, AND I KNOW THAT THEY DO THAT WITH THEIR THEIR NEW DEVELOPMENTS COMING IN. SO. WELL, I'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT STEPS. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ON ON THESE, PLEASE LET JACKIE KNOW OR Y'ALL CAN GET IN TOUCH WITH ME. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO, TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR JUST HAVE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION WITH YOU ALL. BUT OUR NEXT STEP IS TO COME BACK HERE NEXT WEEK TO HAVE THAT COUNCIL WORK SESSION, AND THEN WE'LL REALLY DIVE INTO THE WRITING OF THE DIAGNOSTIC REPORT, AND WE WILL COME BACK AND WE'LL SEND YOU THE DRAFT FOR FOR REVIEW AS WELL BEFORE THAT IS DONE. AND THEN WE'LL BE FINALIZED THE FINALIZATION. SINCE IT IS A DIAGNOSTIC REPORT, IT DOESN'T NEED APPROVAL BY BY A BODY. BUT WE'LL ABSOLUTELY HAVE YOU ALL REVIEW THAT AND GIVE YOUR INPUT BEFORE WE FINALIZE THAT. SO ARE YOU SHARING OUT THE DIAGNOSTIC REPORT EVERY MONTH. NO NO NO NO. SO THIS IS THE THE PROCESS THE WRITING PROCESS. SO THE DRAFT WILL BE SENT TO CITY STAFF IN JULY IN JULY. OKAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. WELL THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. OH, SORRY. SO LOOKING AT THIS TIMELINE, THIS DRAFT DIAGNOSTIC REPORT IS COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION OR IS IT NOT COMING BACK TO THE COMMISSION. SO WE WILL WE WILL BE SENDING YOU ALL THE THE WE'LL BE SENDING STAFF THE DRAFT, AND THEN THEY'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU ALL AS WELL. IT DOES NOT NEED APPROVAL BY BY YOU ALL BECAUSE IT'S JUST A REPORT THAT WILL HELP GUIDE THE ZONING CODE REWRITES, WHICH YOU THEN WILL APPROVE WHENEVER THAT'S DONE. BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WANT TO GET YOUR INPUT ON THAT SO THAT WE KNOW WE'RE IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD TO THE CODE REWRITE. THANK YOU.
YEP, YEP. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. YEP. STAFF. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS EVERYTHING ALL RIGHT? THANK YOU. I BETTER ADJOURN. YES, IT'S ON THE AGENDA. I NEED A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT. I MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. EVERYBODY IN FAVOR. SAY
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