[00:00:01] GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COMMISSIONER EDWARDS. [A. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM TODAY. WELCOME TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING. WE HAVE A QUORUM TODAY IN ATTENDANCE. WE HAVE COMMISSIONER EDWARDS TO MY RIGHT, COMMISSIONER LEROY TO MY RIGHT, MYSELF. CHAIR BROOKS TO MY LEFT, COMMISSIONERS JONES AND COMMISSIONER DEWBERRY. STAFF HERE TONIGHT, WE HAVE MR. SMITH, OUR CITY ATTORNEY. WE HAVE MISS COLTON, AND WE HAVE OUR PLANNING MANAGER, MISS JORDAN, AS WELL AS OUR CITY PLANNER, MISS PATEL. WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. [B. REGULAR SESSION - CALL TO ORDER] CALL THE REGULAR SESSION TO ORDER. FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CITIZEN APPEARANCES. [C. CITIZEN APPEARANCES The Planning and Zoning Commission invites citizens to address the Commissioners on any topic not already scheduled for Public Hearing. Citizens wishing to speak should complete a "Citizen Comment Card" and return it to the table prior to the meeting. In accordance with the Texas Open Meetings Act, the Planning and Zoning Commission cannot take action on items not listed on the agenda. However, your concerns may be addressed by City Staff, placed on a future agenda, or responded to by some other course. Anyone desiring to speak on an item scheduled for a Public Hearing is requested to hold their comments until the Public Hearing on that item.] THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS ON ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. CITIZENS WISH TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE A CITIZEN COMMENT CARD AND RETURN IT TO THE TABLE PRIOR TO THE MEETING. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CANNOT TAKE ACTION ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. HOWEVER, YOUR CONCERNS MAY BE ADDRESSED BY CITY STAFF PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA OR RESPONDED TO BY SOME OTHER COURSE. ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUESTED TO HOLD THEIR COMMENTS UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT ITEM. DID WE RECEIVE ANY CARDS FOR SPEAKERS? WE DID NOT. NOT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS TRAINING. [1. Training and overview of the Planned Development (PD) process, including applicable regulations, review criteria, procedures, and approval protocols. ] TRAINING AND AN OVERVIEW OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, INCLUDING APPLICABLE REGULATIONS, REVIEW CRITERIA, PROCEDURES AND APPROVAL OF PROTOCOLS. MISS JORDAN? YES. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. SO THE INDIVIDUAL GIVING THE TRAINING TONIGHT WILL BE OUR CONSULTANT, MR. DAVID COSSOM. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. COSSOM. CAN YOU TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON, SIR? I CAN, I CAN REMEMBER HOW THESE THINGS WORK. JUST JUST SO YOU KNOW, MY MY BACKGROUND A LITTLE BIT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DON'T KNOW ME. WORKED FOR ONE OF OUR LARGE SISTER CITIES FOR 20, 25 YEARS. JUST TO THE NORTH OF US HERE. AS WELL AS SPENDING SOME TIME IN THE SUBURBS IN GRAND PRAIRIE AND WORKING. WORKING THERE AS WELL. BUT ONE THING ABOUT DALLAS IS YOU SURE DO GET FAMILIAR WITH PDS. SO AND I THINK DESOTO SUFFERS A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT, TOO, IN TERMS OF A PLETHORA OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S TWO ARGUMENTS REALLY, WHETHER THAT'S GOOD OR BAD. AND WE'LL GET INTO SOME OF THAT HERE IN A LITTLE WHILE. BUT REALLY, WE'LL JUST GO OVER INITIALLY WHAT THE ENABLING STATUTE WITHIN THE DESOTO ORDINANCE IS AND KIND OF WALK THROUGH IT A LITTLE BIT SO WE MOVE ON TO THAT NEXT SLIDE. YOU CAN TELL FROM THE WORDING OF THE, OF THE ENABLING STATUTE THAT IT KIND OF ENVISIONS LARGER MIXED USE, PERHAPS DEVELOPMENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, DOES TALK ABOUT KIND OF UNIQUE SITES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES AND SPECIAL CONDITIONS. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK PD'S FREQUENTLY END UP BEING USED FOR SMALLER DEVELOPMENTS JUST TO ACCOMMODATE PROBLEMS THAT MAY BETTER OR REALLY A REFLECTION OF PERHAPS A ZONING ORDINANCE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OUT OF TUNE AT TIMES. BUT THAT'S HARD TO GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, AS YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH ANY TYPE OF CODE AMENDMENT THAT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING. SO OFTENTIMES WHAT WE FALL BACK ON ARE UTILIZING PD'S TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE THESE UNIQUE ISSUES AND OPPORTUNITIES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO PD REQUIREMENTS ARE SIMILAR TO ALL YOUR OTHER ZONING REQUIREMENTS. BASICALLY YOU'RE SETTING FORTH BASIC DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS. [00:05:06] YOU WILL NOTICE THAT TYPICALLY A PD CAN SIMPLY DEFAULT TO A STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT AND THEN MAYBE CALL OUT THE 1 OR 2 EXCEPTIONS IT'S LOOKING FOR. I WAS JUST KIND OF RAMBLING THROUGH A LOT OF THE DESOTO PD. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ONE THERE THAT WAS MERELY TRYING TO ADDRESS THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR GENERAL RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. SO IT WAS A VERY SMALL SITE, BUT THEY COULDN'T GET IT REPLATTED OR THEY COULD I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT AVENUES BETWEEN THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT SEEKING VARIOUS VARIANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK A LOT OF TIMES THAT'S WHERE WE END UP SEEING PDS UTILIZE WHERE THERE MIGHT BE JUST 1 OR 2 THINGS THAT THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE TWEAKED, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES YOU WILL SEE THE BASIC PD DEFAULT BACK TO ONE OF OUR STANDARD ZONING DISTRICTS. AND IN FACT, THE PD ENABLING SAYS YOU SHOULD ALWAYS LIST WHAT THAT DISTRICT IS WITHIN THE WITHIN THE PD ITSELF. SO AGAIN JUST TYPICAL ZONING REQUIREMENTS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AGAIN INCLUDING THE STATEMENT OF PURPOSE AND THE INTENT OF THE PD. UP FRONT. AND THAT'S THAT'S CLEAR ENOUGH. IT DOES ESTABLISH A MINIMUM ACREAGE OF A PD OF THREE ACRES. THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY TINY FOR A MIXED USE TYPE DEVELOPMENT. BUT AGAIN IT'S I THINK IT'S A REASONABLE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF MINIMUM ESTABLISHED. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE A CONCEPTUAL PLAN USUALLY IS THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPMENT OR THE FIRST CONCEPT, IF YOU WILL, JUST LIKE THE NAME IMPLIES, WHERE YOU'RE JUST LAYING OUT THE SITE. YOU SHOULD BE IDENTIFYING ANY UNIQUE NATURAL FEATURES. IF THERE'S ANY FLOODPLAIN, PERHAPS CLUSTERS OF VEGETATION THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PRESERVE. BUT ALSO TYPICALLY LAYS OUT THE ANTICIPATED STREET GRID FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND IT VARIES WITHIN Y'ALL'S REQUIREMENTS. HOW YOU MIGHT ADDRESS A RESIDENTIAL PD VERSUS A COMMERCIAL PD, BUT THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH SIMILAR. I MEAN, ULTIMATELY, YOUR RESIDENTIAL PD IS A LOT OF TIMES IF IT'S SINGLE FAMILY, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT TURNS OUT TO BE YOUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN FOR FOR ALL PRACTICAL MATTERS. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AGAIN WITH THE NON RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT I GUESS YOU KNOW ONE EXAMPLE I THINK OF HERE IS PD 20 KIND OF THE I-35 FRONTAGE THERE WHERE YOU'VE GOT SOME MIXTURE OF USES. BUT LARGELY THE CONCERN WAS I BELIEVE WITH THE ESTABLISHMENT WAS KIND OF THE GATEWAY, A GATEWAY TO THE CITY, SO DRAFTED SOME SPECIFIC STANDARDS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. AGAIN, TOPOGRAPHIC CONSIDERATIONS, FLOODPLAIN ISSUES IDENTIFYING ANY SUBAREAS OFTENTIMES WITHIN A, A MIXED USE PD, YOU MAY IDENTIFY AREAS THAT ARE TARGETED TOWARDS MULTIFAMILY AREAS, THOSE AREAS TARGETED TOWARDS COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN USUALLY A TABLE SHOWING THOSE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT WE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT, THINGS LIKE F.A.R, MINIMUM LOT SIZE, THOSE TYPES OF CONSIDERATIONS. THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, A PRETTY DETAILED EXAMPLE OF A COMMERCIAL PD THAT WAS REALLY JUST AN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE THE SITES WERE GETTING DEVELOPED AT DIFFERENT TIMES. BUT INITIALLY THEY JUST CAME IN, SHOWED THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT, SHOWED THE DETENTION AREAS, LOADING, STACKING, PARKING, BUT ALSO CRITICAL. PART OF IT IS SHOWING THE POINTS OF EGRESS AND INGRESS TO THE SITE. OFTENTIMES THAT THAT CAN REALLY BE A DETERMINING FACTOR IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT THE SITE MIGHT HAVE ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. YOU WANT TO BE LOOKING AT MEDIAN CUTS. YOU ALSO WANT TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHETHER THE THOROUGHFARE PLANS, CALLING FOR ANY IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA SO THAT THEY CAN BE ASSIGNED AS APPROPRIATE TO TO THE DEVELOPER IF THEY IF THAT ENDS UP BEING SOME OF HIS RESPONSIBILITIES. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THIS WAS JUST A VERY GENERAL MORE OF A GENERAL CONCEPTUAL PLAN SHOWING FEATURES LIKE WATERWAYS, BUT ALSO KIND OF ANTICIPATING A COLLECTOR GRID SYSTEM FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. IDENTIFYING THE DIFFERENT TRACKS THAT WOULD ALLOW DIFFERENT LOT SIZES. AGAIN, JUST KIND OF A PRETTY GOOD GENERAL CONCEPTUAL PLAN. AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THE QUALITY OF SOME OF THESE SCANS. I, I TOOK THEM OFF OF THE WEBSITE. SO SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT AS CRISP AS WE MIGHT LIKE. [00:10:04] NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. AGAIN, THIS DEVELOPMENT ONCE IT WAS HAD A PRELIMINARY PLAT ESTABLISHED. YOU CAN SEE GENERALLY THE THOROUGHFARES OR THE COLLECTORS THROUGH THE AREA MORE OR LESS LINED UP TO WHAT WAS EVENTUALLY DEVELOPED ON THE SITE. AGAIN, AREAS CALLING OUT DIFFERENT LOT SIZES, DIFFERENT DWELLING SIZES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NOW THE DETAILED SITE PLAN PROCESS LARGELY THAT'S ONCE WE'RE DOWN TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, YOU'RE KIND OF DEALING WITH A MORE LEGISLATIVE POINT OF VIEW IN TERMS OF SETTING BASIC WHAT, WHAT RIGHTS EACH TRACT HAS THINGS OF THAT NATURE. ONCE WE'RE DOWN TO THE DETAILED DEVELOPMENT PLAN, IT'S REALLY MORE OF A MINISTERIAL FUNCTION, PRIMARILY THAT FALLS TO STAFF. THE WAY DE SOTO SET UP, HOWEVER, A PD CAN CALL OUT THAT A DEVELOPMENT PLAN WOULD REQUIRE SOME ADDITIONAL REVIEW. BUT MY EXPERIENCE IS, SINCE IT IS BASICALLY A MINISTERIAL FUNCTION, KIND OF KEEPING IT THE STAFF LEVEL MAKES A LOT OF SENSE THAT YOU'VE ESTABLISHED THE RULES, THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS, AND REALLY NOW IT'S JUST MAKING SURE THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT COMPLIES WITH THOSE RULES THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD. EXCUSE ME, PNC HAD ESTABLISHED AND COUNCIL ADOPTED BUT AGAIN, MUCH MORE DETAILED TYPE OF REVIEW TO ENSURE COMPATIBILITY WITH THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. ADDITIONALLY, JUST MAKING SURE THAT LANDSCAPING COMPLIES. SOMETIMES ELEVATIONS ARE REQUIRED. AND AGAIN, THAT'S LESS A FACTOR THAN IT USED TO BE WITH THE WAY THE STATE LAWS HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS. BASICALLY SAYING IF THE BUILDING CODE ALLOWS IT, YOU CAN DO IT. SO IN TERMS OF CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS ITSELF. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO WHEN WE'RE EVALUATING A DETAILED SITE PLAN, I THINK THE FIRST THING FOLKS LOOK AT IS ADJACENCIES, BECAUSE WITH PDS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT HOW THEY CAN DEFAULT TO JUST A STANDARD ZONING DISTRICT AND A LOT OF YOUR REQUIREMENTS. FOR INSTANCE, LANDSCAPING AND BUFFER IN THE DESOTO IS VERY DEPENDENT ON WHAT THE SITE IS ADJACENT TO. SO IF I'M ON AN ARTERIAL, I MIGHT REQUIRE A 15 FOOT SETBACK AS OPPOSED TO IF I'M ON A LOCAL STREET OR A COLLECTOR, IT MAY ONLY BE A TEN FOOT SETBACK. SO THAT IN ADDITION, YOU HAVE UNIQUE TRIGGERING CAUSED BY RESIDENTIAL ADJACENCY THAT MAY BE SCREENING, THAT MAY BE ADDITIONAL SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. SO ADJACENCIES ARE PRETTY CRITICAL IN YOUR INITIAL EVALUATION. THEN LOOKING AT THOROUGHFARES AGAIN YOU CAN IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL DEDICATION REQUIRED ON THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN, THEN THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THE SETBACK CAN ACCOMMODATE IN THE DEVELOPER IS FULLY AWARE OF. WE TALKED BEFORE ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF INGRESS AND EGRESS TO A SITE, MAKING SURE THAT THAT WILL NOT CAUSE ISSUES WITH THE REGIONAL TRAFFIC SITUATION AS WELL AS YOUR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS. FREQUENTLY YOU'LL ENCOURAGE CROSS ACCESS ALONG A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO HAVING DRIVE ACCESS TO EACH LOT IN TERMS OF WAYS TO HELP ELIMINATE AND ADDRESS THOSE CONFLICTS WITH WITH TRAFFIC SETBACKS. FLOOR AREA AGAIN, MORE TYPICAL ZONING USES ZONING REGULATIONS IDENTIFYING THE USE, WHICH IS OF COURSE GOING TO IMPACT THE PARKING MAY IMPACT LOADING AREAS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT ALL IS LOOKED AT WITH THE DETAILED SITE PLAN ANALYSIS AND JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF THAT. AGAIN GO ON TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THIS WAS PRIMARILY A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO HAD SOME PAD SITES ALONG THE ARTERIAL THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. BUT AGAIN, TYPICALLY YOU'LL SEE A TABLE THAT SUMMARIZES THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. THAT WOULD INCLUDE PARKING, THAT WOULD INCLUDE LOT COVERAGE, F.A.R THINGS OF THAT NATURE JUST TO MAKE SURE THE DEVELOPMENT IS COMPLIANT WITH THE PD. ORDINANCE ITSELF. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ADVANTAGES OF PD. OBVIOUSLY IT PROVIDES MORE FLEXIBILITY. YOU CAN LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL SITES CAN BE TAILORED TO SPECIFIC NEEDS, [00:15:08] CAN ALLOW A MIXTURE OF USES. WHEREAS OTHER DE SOTO DOES HAVE SOME MIXED USE DISTRICTS. SOMETIMES WHEN LOOKING AT THAT, FOLKS DESIRE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL AND COPD ARE FREQUENTLY LOOKED AT. AND I THINK THERE'S EVEN A REQUIREMENT THAT IF IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY ZERO LOT LINE DEVELOPMENT, IT HAS TO BE PD CURRENTLY. BUT IT DOES PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY. IT ALSO MAY BE AN AVENUE IF THE CITY HAS SEES A. NEED THAT'S GENERATED BY THAT DEVELOPMENT. THAT MIGHT ALSO BE A BENEFIT TO THE CITY TO LOOK AT THOSE PUBLIC BENEFITS SUCH AS PARKS PERHAPS HOUSING TYPES, JUST BY LOOKING AT A MIXTURE OF HOUSING TYPES TO ENSURE THOSE GET DEVELOPED INFRASTRUCTURE ENHANCEMENTS, PERHAPS DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT DETENTION OR RETENTION EFFORTS PERHAPS PRESERVATION OF THOSE OPEN SPACES TO MINIMIZE DOWNSTREAM FLOOD ISSUES. SO IT DOES PROVIDE THAT TYPE OF AVENUE AS WELL. AND AGAIN, TO ADDRESS UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES SUCH AS LARGE MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, OR IF YOU HAVE A VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE TRACT OF LAND PERHAPS A FLOODPLAIN RUNNING THROUGH IT WHERE YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL SETBACKS, IT IS COMES IN HANDY FOR THOSE TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS. SO ON THE NEXT SLIDE WE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE POTENTIAL DISADVANTAGES. IT'S DEFINITELY LESS PREDICTABILITY WHEREAS ANYBODY CAN COME IN FOR A ZONING CHANGE. WE'VE ALL LEARNED THAT LESSON. IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO KNOW OR ANTICIPATE WHAT EXACTLY MIGHT BE GETTING DEVELOPED NEXT TO YOU IF YOU'RE A NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER. AND AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU'RE A DEVELOPER COMING IN AND YOU'RE ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ALSO AN UNCERTAINTY FOR THEM AS WELL. IT'S ALSO A MORE TIME CONSUMING PROCESS. I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY EXPERIENCED THAT. WHEN YOU HAVE A PD FREQUENTLY, THERE'LL BE SOME BACK AND FORTH. YOU MAY TABLE THE REQUEST. MORE NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S MUCH MORE INTENSIVELY NEGOTIATED. THAT'S GOT SOME SOME BENEFITS. IT'S GOT SOME DRAWBACKS. BUT IT DOES END UP PROVIDING FOR THAT. YOU ALSO END UP WITH THE DANGER OF JUST BEING INCONSISTENT IN THE WAY YOU'RE HANDLING YOUR ZONING CODE. YOU MAY BE ALLOWING THIS DEVELOPED OR HAVE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS, WHEREAS A VERY SIMILARLY SITUATED PARCEL. BY THAT I MEAN SAME ADJACENCY TO THOROUGHFARES, SAME ADJACENCY TO RESIDENTIAL. THIS DEVELOPER IS GETTING A POTENTIAL BENEFIT THAT SOMEBODY IN A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION MAY NOT. BUT THAT'S YOU COULD ARGUE THAT THAT'S ALWAYS ZONING THAT NOT EVERYBODY HAS GR OR MIXED USE, BUT IT, IT JUST DOES KIND OF OPEN THE DOOR FOR THAT CRITIQUE OR CRITICISM, IF YOU WILL. AND ALWAYS JUST THE PERCEPTION OF HOW YOU'RE BENEFITING ONE DEVELOPER, PERHAPS OVER OVER OTHER FOLKS. IT DOES BECOME HARDER TO ADMINISTER. WHEREAS YOU THINK FOR STAFF, WE'RE LOOKING AT A RULEBOOK, IT OUGHT TO BE PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. YOU'VE GOT BUILDING INSPECTORS IN THE FIELD. YOU'VE GOT FOLKS THAT ARE USED TO LOOKING AT REGULATIONS. THEY KNOW WHAT THOSE REGULATIONS ARE. THEY CAN EYEBALL SOMETHING AND KNOW SOMETHING'S NOT RIGHT. WHEN WE INTRODUCE PDS AND NON STANDARD DEVIATIONS TO THE BUILDING CODE, WHETHER IT BE BUILDING HEIGHT OR F.A.R ANY OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, IT DOES PUT AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN. AND REQUIRES AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING AS STAFF WERE ALL NITWITS THAT WE CAN'T READ AN ORDINANCE, BUT IT IT JUST OPENS UP POSSIBILITIES FOR CONFLICTS. AND A LOT OF TIMES MY EXPERIENCE IS THAT WHEREAS THEY TRY TO SPELL OUT EVERYTHING, THEY DON'T ALWAYS. AND THERE MAY BE THOSE AREAS OF GRAY THAT YOU STILL HAVE TO KIND OF SIT DOWN AND FIGURE OUT. SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO ADMINISTER. AND LASTLY, WE TOUCHED ON THIS BRIEFLY, BUT IT REALLY [00:20:02] FREQUENTLY IS AN INDICATION OF PROBLEMS WITH OUR CODES. SOMETHING THAT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. THE ZONING CODES, USE SOME OF IT. YOU JUST ADOPTED THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR, WHICH WAS MORE OF A FORM BASED CODE RELATIVE TO THE MORE TRADITIONAL ZONING CODE. UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK SOMETIMES WE GET WE GO BACK AND FORTH AND ZONING. IS OFTENTIMES OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE. YOU KNOW, IN THE OLD IN OUR BASIC ZONING, SOMETIMES IT'S OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE INTO WHAT TYPE OF USE YOU CAN HAVE IN THAT DISTRICT WHERE IT MAY BE PERFECTLY AMENABLE. IT'S JUST NOT ON THE CHART. WHEREAS FORM DISTRICTS, YOU MAY RUN INTO A PROBLEM. WELL, I SAY I WANT ACTIVE STREET FRONTS. I DON'T WANT ROOFS TALLER THAN 20FT ALONG THE STREET FRONT. BUT THEN SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUILD A MOVIE THEATER AND, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BACK OUT THERE AGAIN, THAT SOMETIMES YOU CAN BE OVERLY PRESCRIPTIVE, EVEN IN YOUR FORM. FORM DISTRICTS IN TERMS OF REQUIRING CERTAIN BUILD TOS AND SETBACKS. BUT IT'S JUST SOMETHING ALWAYS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH WHEN WHEN LOOKING AT ZONING. NEXT SLIDE. BOTTOM LINE I THINK PD'S ARE MOST EFFECTIVE WHEN THE FOR LARGER SITES. ALSO WHEN THERE IS KIND OF UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES OR EVEN CONSTRAINTS, AGAIN, FLOODPLAINS BEING ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT, BUT DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES, IF YOU DO HAVE SOME TRANSIT IN THE AREA THAT PERHAPS YOU CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, MAYBE THAT'S A WAY TO TO GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED IN THE CITY. IT HELPS IF THE CITY HAS CLEAR DESIGN STANDARDS AND GOALS. I THINK YOUR RECENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ADOPTION PROBABLY HELPS A LOT WITH THAT KIND OF SETS OUT SOME OF THAT VISION THAT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE. THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY JIVE WITH SOME OF OUR CURRENT BASE ZONING DISTRICTS. SO THAT'S HELPFUL. LASTLY, THE PROCESS CERTAINLY NEEDS TO BE TRANSPARENT. AND SOMETIMES YOU'LL HEAR FOLKS COMPLAINING THEY WEREN'T AT THE TABLE OR THEY WERE AT THE TABLE. DID THEY NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE? BUT THE MORE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT THE PROCESS IS, I THINK THE THE BETTER OFF WE ARE IN SUPPORTING THOSE THOSE UNIQUE ZONING CATEGORIES. AND LASTLY, I ALREADY SAID LASTLY, I REALIZE BUT STRONG STAFF CAPACITY IS IS KIND OF A REQUIREMENT IN LOOKING AT REGULATING OR ENFORCING A VARIETY OF REGULATIONS. SO THAT'S THAT'S ALSO TRULY IMPORTANT. SO WITH THAT I KIND OF RAMBLED A BIT. I APOLOGIZE, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS POINTS I DIDN'T ADDRESS CONCERNS YOU HAVE WITH THE WAY YOU'VE SEEN THE PROCESS UTILIZED YOUR IN DESOTO. MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU, MISTER KASSIM. I DO HAVE ONE HIGH LEVEL QUESTION. THEN I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSIONERS TO ASK QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOUR INTENT, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT ALMOST LAID OUT A GOOD FOUNDATION OF WHY WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T SUPPORT PDES THAT FREQUENTLY. AGAIN, I IT'S HARD TO DO IF YOUR ZONING CODES NEED HELP AND BUT I DO THINK IT. IT'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM JUST IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE WE TRY TO TREAT SIMILARLY SIMILAR PARCELS VERY SIMILARLY IN GRANTING THOSE SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS. I COMPLETELY AGREE. IF YOU CAN GO TO WELL I'LL WAIT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION I WANT TO ASK BEFORE I GET TO THE COMMISSIONER. DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PDES WE HAVE IN DESOTO? I KNOW WE HAVE ABOUT 200 NUMBERS. NOW, I KNOW SOMETIMES PDES NUMBERS EVEN GOT ASSIGNED BUT WEREN'T ADOPTED. SO, YES, WE DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH OUR CITY SECRETARY'S OFFICE TO GET THAT LIST, JUST BECAUSE THEY USUALLY ARE THE ONES WE'RE NOT. USUALLY THEY ARE THE THE, THE KEEPERS OF THOSE ORDINANCES ONCE THEY DO PASS. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE SOME OLDER ORDINANCES THAT ARE NO LONGER IN THEY'RE NO LONGER PRACTICE, THEY NO LONGER EXIST. THEY'VE BEEN OVERTAKEN BY A NEWER ORDINANCE. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 200, BUT I'LL GET THE EXACT NUMBER TO YOU ALL. AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, I'M HOPING THAT THE MAJORITY OF THEM WERE APPROVED PRIOR TO THE COMP PLAN BEING. THAT'S THE CASE. THAT IS THE CASE, YES. AWESOME. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? [00:25:02] OKAY. WELL, I DO HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. CAN YOU GO TO PAGE 15, SLIDE NUMBER 15. AS I MENTIONED, LOOKING AT THIS LIST, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A CASE ON WHY WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOT SUPPORT PDS THAT OFTEN. BUT IF YOU CAN KIND OF SUMMARIZE THIS AND TELL US WHEN SHOULD WE BE CONCERNED ABOUT SUPPORTING PDS IN LIGHT OF OUR NEW RECENTLY ADOPTED COMP PLAN BECAUSE WE, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT UNDERMINES THE COMP PLAN SOMEWHAT. SO WHEN SHOULD WE, AS A COMMISSION, AS A BODY HAVE SOME HESITATION OR LOOK TO STAFF TO SAY WHY? I THINK THE HESITATION IS WHEN SOMEBODY'S JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS ONE ISSUE. I MEAN, THEN IN MY EXPERIENCE, OVER THE PAST 25 YEARS WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND ARCHITECTS, YOU KNOW, AN ARCHITECT OR THE DEVELOPER WILL SETTLE ON AN IDEA AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, OH, AND. YOU KNOW, I KNOW IN DALLAS, WE WE BLAME IT A LOT ON CONSULTANTS. WHAT A GREAT WAY TO I GUESS I CAN'T SAY THAT NOW THAT I'M A CONSULTANT, I DON'T KNOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY ENCOURAGED TO PURSUE THESE THINGS WHEN ALL THEY REALLY NEED TO DO IS MAYBE TWEAK SOMETHING WITHIN THEIR ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH WITH THE BUILDING HEIGHT OR FIND ANOTHER WAY TO DO IT. I THINK THERE'S A DANGER OF THAT HAPPENING THAT THAT FOLKS JUST KIND OF GET SOLD ON SOMETHING AND TOLD, WELL, THIS IS THE WAY YOU CAN DO IT, RATHER THAN, OH, YOU KNOW, I CAN SAVE YOU ABOUT TWO MONTHS OF TIME IF YOU JUST DO THIS. SO AND SOME OF THAT FALLS TO STAFF AND TRYING TO POINT THAT OUT AS WELL. BUT I THINK IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PD WHERE WE'RE REALLY JUST TRYING TO ADDRESS A, YOU KNOW, 1 OR 2 ISSUES AND IT'S NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING UNIQUE OTHER THAN PERHAPS GETTING A SLIGHT ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCE. THEN THAT'S SOMETHING TO TO PONDER. OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION ON THE SLIDE WHERE YOU LIST SHOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD IT WAS CRYSTAL CREEK NEIGHBORHOOD. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE? IT'S LIKE THE FIRST SCAN SLIDE. THIS SLIDE SO THE NEXT ONE, THE PRIMARY PLAN. OKAY. SO THE PDS ARE DONE PRIOR TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COMMUNITY, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. WHAT IS THE NOTIFICATION IF YOU HAVE ALL THESE STREETS? WHAT IS THE NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS? I'M TRYING TO SEE IF ONLY THE OWNER OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS MAKING DECISIONS OR OR ADJACENT PROPERTIES A LITTLE FURTHER OUT FROM THIS PARTICULAR. WELL, CERTAINLY AREA IS NOTIFIED. WELL, AGAIN, YOU'RE RIGHT. THESE HOUSES, THESE LOTS ARE NOT THERE AT THE MOMENT, YOU KNOW, AT THE CONCEPTION OF THE PD. SO CERTAINLY THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200FT WOULD ALL RECEIVE NOTICE. AND DESOTO HAS EXPANDED THAT TO TO 400FT AS WELL. YES. BUT THE INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE 400 FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROPERTY, THEY DO NOT GET TO OBJECTOR SUPPORT. THEY CAN COME AND SPEAK, BUT THEY THEY DON'T GET THE OPTION TO PUT THAT ON THE NOTICE LETTER THAT WE SEND OUT. SO I'M ASKING THAT JUST TO SAY A COMMUNITY ALMOST ADJACENT TO THIS THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW THE ZONING MAY NOT EVEN GET NOTIFICATION THAT THEIR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY IS GETTING ALL THESE FLEXIBILITIES AND REDUCED MINIMUM STANDARDS. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. EXCLUDING THE INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THOSE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAT ARE WITHIN THE 200 FOOT RADIUS IN THE 400 FOOT RADIUS, GRANTED, 200 FOOT. THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES THAT CAN OPPOSE OR SUPPORT. OKAY. AND IF YOU GO TO SLIDE 13, JUST WANT TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT THIS FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, THIS VERY TINY BOX AT THE VERY BOTTOM. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE THAT'S MY POINT. AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE A POINT THAT THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY MAY NOT REALIZE THAT THE REQUIREMENTS OF BEING SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED IN PD IS THAT ACCURATE? THEY MAY NOT. AND THEY UNFORTUNATELY MY YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT AN EXCUSE BUT RARELY DO. OR PEOPLE OVERLY COGNIZANT UNLESS THEY'RE IN OUR PROFESSION OF EXACTLY WHAT CAN GO NEXT DOOR. BUT I THINK WITH YOUR YOU'RE CORRECT. I MEAN, UNLESS YOU'RE AWARE OF THE ZONING [00:30:01] CASE GOING ON AND PARTICIPATING AT IT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE PROBABLY HAVE SOME WORK TO DO IN MAKING SURE THAT FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO KNOW, THEY IT'S EASIER FOR THEM TO KNOW WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH THE WEBSITE UPCOMING ZONING CASES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN STEPS THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED THAT WOULD HELP WITH THAT PROCESS, BECAUSE FREQUENTLY NEIGHBORHOODS WILL HAVE A. EITHER A PROPERTY OWNER ASSOCIATION OR HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, OR SOMEBODY TO MONITOR THINGS THAT CAN HELP GET THE WORD OUT WHEN IT WHEN IT COMES UP. BUT I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT CITIES CAN DO TO TRY TO ENHANCE THAT PART OF IT. BECAUSE THESE DAYS, IF YOU'RE GETTING A NOTICE AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, I'M NOT SURE HOW OFTEN FOLKS ARE LOOKING AT IT. I HAVE ALL THESE OFFICIAL PIECES OF MAIL LOOKING AT ME, BUT SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO SELL ME A NEW WARRANTY FOR A HOUSE OR A CAR OR OR SOMETHING ELSE. SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO WORK ON WAYS FOR FOLKS THAT WANT TO BE ENGAGED, THAT THEY CAN BE ENGAGED. YEAH. AND THAT STAFF, I THINK HAVING THAT EXTRA RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMISSION UNDERSTANDS THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY WAS REQUIRED TO ENCLOSE 50% OF THEIR PARKING SPACES IN THIS PARTICULAR COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR A VARIANCE FOR MUCH LESS JUST MAKING THOSE SPECIFIC SO THAT WE KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE. COMMISSIONER JONES. YES. SO LET'S BE CLEAR, THOUGH, THERE ARE TIMES WHERE PD IS A VERY IMPORTANT I DON'T WANT US TO MAKE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE APPROPRIATELY USE THEM WHEN IT'S TIME. BUT ALL PD ARE NOT BAD. OH NO SIR. I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE DOING A PD IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. AND SO AS WE COMMUNICATE, AS WE WORK THROUGH STAFF AND AS THIS COMMISSION OVERSEES, WHEN THERE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE ONE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE IN THEIR TEACHING AND THE LEARNING IN THE CLASS TONIGHT THAT THERE ARE TIMES THAT IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE. I DON'T DISAGREE AT ALL. I THINK, AGAIN, TYPICALLY TO ME, YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IT WOULD BE UNIQUE OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER IT BE ENVIRONMENTAL OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE OF FLOODPLAIN OR CREEKS, OR WHETHER IT BE TRANSIT OPPORTUNITIES TO UTILIZE. EVEN EVEN ON THE COMMERCIAL SIDE IF YOU'VE GOT AN INDUSTRIAL PARK THAT'S SERVED BY RAIL, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS THINGS THAT I MEAN, THE NEEDS ARE THERE FOR A PURPOSE. I WON'T ARGUE THAT I DO THINK SOMETIMES THEY GET ABUSED, BUT THAT'S THAT'S NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN. SO IF THERE'S A WAY TO ACCOMPLISH WITH EXISTING ZONING, I THINK THAT BENEFITS EVERYBODY. IF THERE'S NOT THEN PD WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE AVENUE IF IT'S SUPPORTING A UNIQUE DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY. SO YOU WOULD AGREE THAT IT'S AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS THAT WE BASE THAT ON. OH, SURE. OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU. THANKS. COMMISSIONER JONES, ANY ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU ALL. ALL RIGHT. [E. CONSENT AGENDA Any item may be withdrawn from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Approval of the Consent Agenda authorizes the approval of each item in accordance with Staff Recommendations.] THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. ANY ITEM MAY BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ACTED ON SEPARATELY. APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE APPROVAL OF EACH ITEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. THE FIRST ITEM ON CONSENT IS THE FIRST AND ONLY ITEM ON CONSENT AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. REGULAR MEETING OF DECEMBER 9TH, 2025. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I SUBMIT A MOTION THAT WE MOVE ACCEPTING THE AGENDA. SECOND. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER JONES AND SECOND, BY COMMISSIONER DEWBERRY. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NO. OPPOSED. ITEM APPROVES. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE REGULAR AGENDA. [1. Status update and follow-up discussion on proposed revisions to the Zoning Ordinance, Section 7, Nonconforming Uses.] F1 STATUS UPDATE AND FOLLOW UP DISCUSSIONS ON PROPOSED REVISIONS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE. SECTION SEVEN NON-CONFORMING USES. MISS JORDAN? YES. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US AND HAPPY NEW YEAR. SO CAMBRIA JORDAN, PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER. SO AS CHAIR BROOKS DID JUST STATE THIS IS JUST A CONTINUATION OF THAT CONVERSATION, ACTUALLY MORE SO OF A FOLLOW UP, BECAUSE IF I'M BASED OFF OF THE MEETINGS AND THE INFORMATION THAT I'VE GATHERED, THE CONVERSATION TO CONTINUE WAS HALTED BASED OFF OF OR AFTER STAFF SHARED WITH YOU ALL THAT THE NON-CONFORMING REGULATIONS ARE REGULATED BY A [00:35:04] SEPARATE BOARD, WHICH IS THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. AND I DO KNOW THAT WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE NEW COMMISSIONER. SO I'LL KIND OF GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND. SECTION 7.6, WHICH IS UNDER SECTION SEVEN OF NON-CONFORMING USES IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, DOES IT'S A SECTION THAT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT IN THE EVENT A PROPERTY IS SORRY, IT IS THIS TOO LOUD FOR YOU ALL, I FEEL LIKE, OKAY, SO IT SPEAKS TO THE FACT THAT IN THE EVENT A PROPERTY IS DAMAGED BEYOND 60% OF ITS APPRAISED VALUE, AS DETERMINED BY THE DALLAS CITY APPRAISAL DISTRICT WEBSITE, THEN IF THAT STRUCTURE WERE TO BE ATTEMPTED TO BE REPAIRED, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT TO A CONFORMANCE, MEANING THAT IT HAS TO CONFORM TO THE CURRENT ZONING DISTRICT THAT IT RESIDES IN. SO THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE LED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WERE CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE KIND OF GEARING TOWARDS REVISING THAT 60% THRESHOLD TO ALLOW THE THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE RESIDENT ACTUALLY TO TO UP TO 12 MONTHS TO, TO UPDATE THAT STRUCTURE, TO EXCUSE ME. YES, UP TO 12 MONTHS TO UPDATE THAT STRUCTURE. AND I CAN ACTUALLY READ OFF SOME OF THE ACTUALLY THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP PREVIOUSLY DOESN'T REALLY SPEAK TO THAT, THAT I WAS. MAKE SURE. OKAY. SORRY. COMMISSIONERS. YES. SO THAT'S WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS. AND I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE THE FACT THAT THE THAT SECTION OF THE CODE, MEANING THE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE SECTION, IS REGULATED BY ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. SO WE WILL BE BRINGING UP THIS CONVERSATION REGARDING THAT SECTION 7.6, TO SEE HOW THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. AND THEN WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU ALL TO JUST GIVE YOU AN UPDATE, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ALL WERE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE UPDATE OF THAT SECTION OF THE CODE. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THAT. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. [G. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST Discussion will be limited to the following pursuant to Gov't Code 551.0415: (1) Expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; (2) information regarding holiday schedules; (3) a recognition of an individual; (4) a reminder about an upcoming Planning & Zoning events; (5) announcements involving an imminent threat tithe public health and safety.] DISCUSSIONS WILL BE LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING. PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE 551.0415 EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS OR CONDOLENCE INFORMATION REGARDING HOLIDAY SCHEDULES, A RECOGNITION OF AN INDIVIDUAL REMINDER ABOUT AN UPCOMING PLANNING AND ZONING EVENT, AND ANNOUNCEMENTS INVOLVING AN IMMINENT THREAT TO PUBLIC HEALTH AND TO PUBLIC TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. MISS JORDAN? YES. SO, COMMISSIONERS, I DID PROVIDE YOU WITH TWO FLIERS EACH. THEY BOTH REFERENCE THE SAME EXACT MEETING. SO THE TITLE OF THE MEETING AND IT'S IT'S THE PUBLIC MEETING ON TRAFFIC CALMING, AND IT WILL BE HOSTED BY OUR ENGINEERING DIVISION WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEPARTMENT. THE FIRST MEETING THAT YOU OR THE FLIER WITHOUT THE QR CODE THAT REFERENCES THE FEBRUARY 16TH MEETING. SO THAT MEETING WILL BE HERE IN PERSON. AND THEN THE SECOND FLIER, IT'S THE SAME EXACT MEETING, BUT IT HAS A QR CODE, AND THAT QR CODE CAN BE USED FOR YOU TO JOIN THAT MEETING ONLINE, BECAUSE IT WILL BE HELD VIRTUALLY. WE'D LOVE FOR YOU TO ATTEND. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. UNLESS YOU'RE THE COMMISSIONERS HAD ANYTHING. CHAIR BROOKS, CAN YOU ANNOUNCE THE MAYOR'S STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS? WHAT IS THAT? CAN YOU REMIND ME OF THE DATE OF THAT, I THINK, ISN'T IT THURSDAY? THURSDAY? THURSDAY? I DON'T HAVE THE DATE. WHAT'S THE DATE? TODAY IS THE 12TH. YES. SO THANK YOU ALL FOR. THANK YOU FOR THAT CHAIR, BROOKS. SO, YES, THE MAYOR STATE OF THE UNION WILL BE HAPPENING THIS THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 12TH. AND I CAN SEND OUT THAT FLIER TO YOU ALL THAT HAS THE TIME ON IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO ONE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, CHAIRMAN. LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. I SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED IN SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY GOOD NIGHT. GOOD NIGHT, GOOD NIGHT. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.