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GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. 
          WOULD YOU PLEASE 
          [B. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ELISS, MY PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LARO FOR LEADING US TO THIS. 
          [A. REGULAR SESSION - CALL TO ORDER]
UH, TODAY IS JANUARY THE 14TH, 2025 AND THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING FOR THE DESOTO PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          COMMISSIONING IS CALLED TO ORDER. 
          AT 
          [C. CITIZEN APPEARANCES The Planning and Zoning Commission invites citizens to address the Commissioners on any topic not already scheduled for Public Hearing. Citizens wishing to speak should complete a "Citizen Comment Card" and return it to the table prior to the meeting. In accordance with the Texas Open Meetings Act, the Planning and Zoning Commission cannot take action on items not listed on the agenda. However, your concerns may be addressed by City Staff, placed on a future agenda, or responded to by some other course. Anyone desiring to speak on an item scheduled for a Public Hearing is requested to hold their comments until the Public Hearing on that item]
THIS POINT WE WILL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM C, WHICH IS CITIZENS APPEARANCES. 
          THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS ON ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING. 
          CITIZEN'S WISHING TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE A CITIZEN COMMENT CARD AND RETURN IT TO THE TABLE PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE TEXAS OPEN MEETINGS ACT, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION CANNOT TAKE ACTION ON ITEMS NOT LISTED ON THE AGENDA. 
          HOWEVER, YOUR CONCERNS MAY BE ADDRESSED BY CITY STAFF PLACED ON A FUTURE AGENDA OR RESPONDED TO BY SOME OTHER COURSE. 
          ANYONE DESIRING TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM SCHEDULED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IS REQUESTED TO HOLD THEIR COMMENT UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT ITEM. 
          MR. CARROLL, DO WE HAVE ANY COURT? ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WISHED TO SPEAK FOR A CITIZEN COMMENT? OKAY, WE WILL. 
          WE WILL ALLOW YOU TO, YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WOULD YOU STATE YOUR IT ARE NOW? YES. 
          IT'S OKAY. 
          SO MY NAME IS GLORIA JERNIGAN AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DESOTO, TEXAS. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE WHETHER THIS RIGHT NOW OR FOR LATER PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW I'M GONNA SIT DOWN 'CAUSE IT'S FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT HI Y'ALL, , WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU LATER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT, 
          [D. CONSENT AGENDA Any item may be withdrawn from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Approval of the Consent Agenda authorizes the approval of each item in accordance with Staff Recommendations.]
THEN WE'LL BE MOVING ON TO ITEM D, WHICH IS THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          ANY ITEM MAY BE WITHDRAWN FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND ACTED ON SEPARATELY. 
          APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZES THE APPROVAL OF EACH ITEM IN ACCORDANCE WITH STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          WE HAVE ONE ITEM, UH, THIS, UH, EVENING AND THAT IS TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR, UH, SCHEDULED MEETING OF DECEMBER THE 10TH, 2024. 
          UM, COMMISSIONERS HAVING READ, UM, THOSE MINUTES, ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND, AND NONE, MAY I HAVE A MOTION FOR ACCEPTANCE, MOVE TO APPROVE. 
          SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECOND MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BERRY. 
          AND SECOND, I'LL GIVE IT TO MR. LARO, UH, THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AND ALL? ANY OPPOSES? ALL RIGHT, 
          [1.  Continue Public Hearing (tabled during the December 10, 2024, Planning and Zoning Commission meeting) and consider making a recommendation to the City Council regarding an applicant's request to rezone Tracts 7.1 and 8.1 in the John Lewis Survey, Abstract 774 (1404 and 1406 S. Hampton Road) from existing Agricultural (A) to Single Family Attached (SFA). The combined property is approximately 2.96 acres and is generally located along the east side of S. Hampton Road, south of E. Parkerville Road and north of the DeSoto/Glenn Heights city limit.  The applicant is JJ Cuellar of Southland Consulting Engineers and the property owner is Rodolfo (Rudy) Carrillo. (Case # Z-1534-24)]
WE'LL MOVE ON NOW TO ITEM E. 
          PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER, UH, THE ITEM IS TO CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING TABLED DURING THE DECEMBER THE 10TH, 2024 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING AN APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REZONE TRACK 7.1 AND 8.1. 
          IN THE JOHN LEWIS SURVEY ABSTRACT 7 7 4, ALSO KNOWN AS 1404 AND 1406 SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD FROM EXISTING AGRICULTURAL TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED. 
          THE COMBINED PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 2.96 ACRES AND IS GENERALLY LOCATED ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD, SOUTH OF EAST PARKVILLE ROAD AND NORTH OF THE DE, UH, NORTH OF THE DESOTO GLEN HEIGHTS CITY LIMIT. 
          THE APPLICANT IS JJ LAR OF SOUTHLAND CONSULTING ENGINEERING AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RODOLFO CARILLO. 
          THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 1534 DASH 24, AND WE ARE READY FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, MS. JORDAN. 
          GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          AS MENTIONED BEFORE BY THE CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A ZONING CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURE TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHMENT LOCATED ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD AND CITY OF GLEN HEIGHTS. 
          CITY LIMITS ADJACENT PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH IS 
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A ENCORE TRANSMISSION LINE AND A PD 15 WITH SINGLE FAMILY. 
          EIGHT TO THE SOUTH IS CITY LIMITS OF GLEN HEIGHTS TO THE EAST IS UM, ALSO THE ENCORE TRANSMISSION LINE AND PD ONE 15 WITH A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OF SFE TO THE WEST IS A FOOD AND BEVERAGE SALES STORE WITHOUT GASOLINE SALES AND RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN THE CITY OF GLEN HEIGHTS IN ITS OWN COMMERCIAL. 
          ONE. 
          THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE COMP PLAN IDENTIFIES THE SUBJECT SITE AS MEDIUM DENSITY. 
          THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE COMPREHENSION PLAN. 
          THIS REZONED REQUEST, UM, IS REZONING FROM AGRICULTURE TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, WHICH IS TOWN HOMES. 
          UM, THE PROPOSED LOT IS 2.9 FOR SIX SQUARE FEET. 
          AGAIN, IT'S MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL FOR THE, UH, FUTURE LAND USE. 
          THIS IS THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN. 
          YOU WILL SEE THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT WILL BE IN THE, UH, NORTHEAST CORNER OF HAMPTON AND WITH A SINGLE FAMILY, UH, ATTACHED. 
          UH, IT IS THEY ARE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SITE PLAN THAT SHOWS THE, UH, CONCEPT, THE INTENTIONAL CONCEPT. 
          ON NOVEMBER 24TH END OF DAILY FOCUS, NEWSPAPER STAFF MAILED OUT 62 NOTIFICATIONS. 
          WE HAD NO RESPONSE IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION. 
          STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE P AND Z PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKES A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO REQUEST THE REZONING OF AGRICULTURE TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED AS REQUESTED. 
          MR. BREWERY HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD? YEAH, JUST ONE COMMENT. 
          AS WE IDENTIFIED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CLASSIFICATION, A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, UM, I'VE HIGHLIGHTED TO YOU A SITE PLAN IS REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF ZONING APPROVAL FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED SUBDIVISION FOR THE PURPOSE OF EVALUATING THE MERITS OF THE REQUESTED ZONING. 
          SO THIS IS GOING TO BE, UM, TO GIVE YOU THAT GENERAL UNDERSTANDING VISION OF WHAT THEY'RE NEEDING TO DO. 
          WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN THE REPORT THAT THEIR REQUESTED FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 20 FEET IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS ZONING DISTRICT. 
          UH, IF THEY WANTED TO MAKE THAT REQUEST PRIOR TO, UH, PLANNING THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE, UH, DIRECTED TO OUR ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT TO SEEK A A UH, VARIANCE. 
          THE LOT IS NOT THE PROPERTY. 
          THE TWO LOTS ARE NOT LARGE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO REQUEST THE PD BEFORE YOU REMEMBER OUR ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN REQUEST A DEVIATION IS THROUGH A PD. 
          SO HE'S REQUESTING A STRAIGHT ZONING THE SITE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE. 
          AND IF YOU'D GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, PLEASE, IT'S JUST GIVING YOU A SITE PLAN TO CONSIDER THE MERITS. 
          IS IT IN YOUR VIEW, WORKABLE TO HAVE A TOWN HOME 16 LOT DEVELOPMENT PROJECT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION? UH, ANOTHER FLAG THAT I JUST WANTED TO COMMUNICATE TO YOU ON THAT WEST SIDE OF THE STREET, UM, NORTH OF THAT COMMERCIAL TRACK, THERE ARE, THERE IS A TOWN HOME, UH, A MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY THAT'S OVER THERE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO THAT IS A LARGE AREA THAT EXISTS ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET ALMOST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE LIQUOR STORE FROM GLEN HEIGHTS THERE. 
          SOUTH OF THEM IS ESTABLISHED SINGLE FAMILY LOTS IN GLEN HEIGHTS. 
          OUR NOTIFICATION PROCESS ONLY GOES TO OUR RESIDENCE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHO THE NOTIFICATIONS WENT OUT TO. 
          ENCORE'S RIGHT OF WAY IS A WIDE RIGHT OF WAY. 
          SO HOW DEEP, UH, NOTIFICATIONS WENT INTO THAT SUBDIVISION? UM, IT DIDN'T GO THAT DEEP BECAUSE OF THE, UH, DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS. 
          BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, THE CONCEPT PLAN IS REQUIRED, BUT IT IS JUST TO ALLOW YOU TO LOOK AT THE MERITS OF THIS. 
          IT'S NOT A BIBLE AS I WOULD USE IN THIS CASE, BUT IT ALLOW US TO ESTABLISH ARE YOU, UH, IN SUPPORT OF OUR OPPOSITION, UH, WITH A 16 LOT, UH, ATTACHED TOWN HOME COMMUNITY, UH, MR. BREWER, UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, UM, IN THE, THE PACKET IT SAID IT 
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MEETS THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN 2024, CORRECT? YES, MA'AM. 
          I MEAN YES SIR. 
          AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHERE THAT IS. 
          GO TO THE COMP PLAN. 
          SO THIS IS HAMPTON ROAD. 
          IF YOU GO DOWN HERE, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT IN THAT LITTLE CORNER AT THE VERY BOTTOM AT THE GLEN HIGH CITY LIGHT LIMITS IS GOING TO BE SHADED THAT GOLD COLOR, WHICH YOU SEE THE TABLE, MEDIUM DENSITY. 
          AND THIS IS A MEDIUM DENSITY PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE ONLY CONCERN THAT YOU ALL HAVE, OR THE ISSUE WITH IT IS THE 20 FOOT FRONT YARD LINE. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT THAT HAS TO GO BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          DO THEY HAVE IT, DO THEY ALREADY, HAVE THEY GONE BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS OR WILL THEY GO TO THEM IF THEY GET APPROVAL FROM US, THEY WILL GO TO THEM IF THEY, IF THEY GET APPROVAL BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE ZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          CLASSIFICATION. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN IF THEY DO NOT, THEN IT, THEN IT'S, UH, IF THE ZONING HAS CHANGED, IT WILL BE INDICATED ON A ZONING MAP THAT THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED PROPERTY INSTEAD OF AGRICULTURAL THAT IT IS NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE ARE TASKED WITH DETERMINING WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE OKAY WITH CHANGING THE ZONING. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WHETHER OR NOT THE 16 UNITS LOOK LIKE THEY COULD FIT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AS YOU SEE IN THIS PARTICULAR, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ADVISED AS WE DO ALL DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, THE SIDEWALK THE, UH, CITY ESTABLISHES THAT ALLEYS ARE REQUIRED IN OUR RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE THEY ARE PROPOSING AN ALLEY TO GO AROUND ALL OF THE, UH, YOU KNOW, 16 LOTS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IF WHEN THEY APPLY FOR, UH, IF IT'S APPROVED AND THEY APPLY FOR BUILDING PERMIT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, THEY'LL KNOW THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE FRONT FACING GARAGES. 
          YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE ARE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING REGULATIONS, WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO ADHERE TO. 
          BUT JUST AS A SITE PLAN IS THE MERIT IS A TWO FAMILY IN THIS LOCATION BEHIND THE ENCORE RIGHT OF WAY BEHIND THAT, UH, DESOTO RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY TO THE NORTH WITH MOBILE HOME, UH, MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET, PLUS A LIQUOR STORE PLUS LYNN HEIGHTS HOMES. 
          IS THAT WORKABLE IN YOUR EYES? OKAY. 
          AND JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION, SINCE YOU'RE DEALING WITH THIS RELATIVE TO THE PARKING SPACES, I BELIEVE IT'S THEY'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE FOUR SPACES, UM, 4, 4, 1 SPACE PER EVERY FOUR UNIT THAT SHOWS FIVE HERE. 
          OR THEY SAYING THEY'RE GONNA HAVE FIVE OR THE FOUR FIVE, WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS IN THE SFA REGULATION FOR THE VISITORS PARKING SPACE. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE TWO, UH, STRUCTURES THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT. 
          THAT'S IN ADDITION TO, RIGHT. 
          SO YES, THIS, THEY'RE PROPOSING THIS AREA HERE AND THEN AGAIN, IF NEEDED, TRULY THEY HAVE PROPERTY HERE. 
          THEY'RE PROPOSING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE WILL BE COMMON AREAS WHEN IT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD IT BE PLATTED OKAY. 
          UH, TO BE MAINTAINED BY AN ESTABLISHED HOA WITH THE CITY, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE SHOWING FIVE SPACES AND BY THEIR CALCULATIONS, THE NUMBER, UH, IS EQUIVALENT TO FOUR VISITORS PARKING. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, MR. BELL? I, I'M, I'M SO SORRY. 
          I I THOUGHT YOU WAS ASKING YOUR COMMISSIONERS FOR A QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SO SORRY. 
          MS. COMMISSIONER BELL? YES, SIR. 
          UH, HAPPY NEW YEAR, SIR. 
          AND DID YOU ALSO, SO, UH, MY QUESTION IS JUST, IS JUST THIS, UH, THIS IS A ZONING CASE, RIGHT? UH, BUT YOU SAID THEY GAVE US THIS VISUAL REPRESENTATION TO KIND OF SHOW US WHAT THE IDEA WAS. 
          IS THAT TO SAY THAT THIS CONFIGURATION COULD CHANGE IN THE FUTURE AND IS THE LOT NUMBER GONNA BE BOUND TO THIS, UH, CHANGE? OR WILL THAT, COULD THAT CHANGE ALSO? WE STAFF WOULD TYPICALLY USE KIND OF THIS LAYOUT AS OUR GUIDE 16 LOTS WITH THE ALLEYS GOING A ROAD COMING IN THE MIDDLE WITH A CUL-DE-SAC THAT WILL BE OUR GUIDE FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT'S THE EXPECTATION? YES, SIR. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
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EXCUSE ME, COMMISSIONER. 
          UH, I WAS JUST TOLD TO MY SURPRISE, THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON THEIR PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS BEFORE THAT WE'VE DEFINITELY ENCOURAGED APPLICANTS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE HERE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS. 
          BUT JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT A REPRESENTATIVE IS NOT HERE. 
          COMMISSIONER DEBERRY, MR. BREWER, THE, UH, THIS WOULD COME BEFORE US AGAIN FOR A PLAT TO BE OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          IF COUNSELS APPROVES IT, IF COUNSEL APPROVES IT, THEY CAN DO NOTHING ELSE TILL THEY COME BACK TO PLAT IT. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT CHANGE OF USE OF THE PROPERTY CHANGE FROM ZONING, AGRICULTURAL ZONING. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          CHAIN ZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO A, A, UH, ATTACHED SINGLE FAMILY. 
          HAS STAFF HAD CONVERSATION WITH THE DEVELOPER? YES. 
          UH, 'CAUSE THERE IS A, THERE IS A METAL BUILDING THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED AND FINISHED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO SITTING IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER YES. 
          OF THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND I, I CAN ADD WHAT I SEE HERE, LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR IT DOWN. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I CAN ADD TO THAT. 
          I WAS A DIRECTOR IN GLEN HEIGHTS AT THE TIME WHEN WE OBSERVED THESE STEEL BEAMS GOING UP AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENING. 
          SO IT STAYED DORMANT FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE, UH, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER IT WAS THE SEAL, THE SAME PROPERTY OWNER WHO PROCEEDED, CAME AND GOT PERMITS TO DO THE CONSTRUCTIONS. 
          WE HAVE ADVISED THAT RIGHT NOW THE SITE IS NOT IN CONFORMING, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A CONCRETE REQUIREMENT THAT A PARKING LOT IS SUPPOSED TO BE PAVED. 
          WE WERE WORKING WITH THE, THE APPLICANT BECAUSE THEY HAD COMMUNICATED TO US, THEY HAD A DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING LETTING US KNOW THIS WAS THEIR VISION. 
          BUT WE HAD ALREADY FLAGGED WE'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE SO MUCH PATIENCE. 
          BUT EVENTUALLY, IF THIS DOES NOT GO THROUGH, THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO CONCRETE THAT PARKING LOT. 
          VICE BERG. 
          JUST ONE, UH, CLARIFYING QUESTION ON THIS CHANGE. 
          HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU. 
          YOU TOO. 
          YOU TOO. 
          UM, THE CHANGE IN ZONING FROM EXISTING AGRICULTURE TO SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED, UM, WHAT IS IT? IS THE PURPOSE, IS THE USE NOT ALLOWED THE SINGLE FAMILY USE NOT ALLOWED ON THE AGRICULTURE? OR IS IT THE SIZE OF THE SINGLE FAMILY THAT THE APPLICANT IS, HAS CONCERNS WITH? I WANT TO ENSURE THAT IF YOU'RE HERE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IF YOU'VE HAD YOUR, UH, CITIZENS' COMMENT CARDS FILLED OUT AND, AND TURNED IN, SO CURRENTLY SECTION 13, UH, WHICH IS THE DISTRICT FOR AGRICULTURE PERMITTED USAGE, A SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED DWELLING IS ALLOWED. 
          AND I'M SORRY, WASN'T THAT YOUR QUESTION? WHAT'S YES, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          SO IT'S THE SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO PUT IN, THEY WANNA DO ATTACHED. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO ATTACHED IS NOT ALLOWED. 
          IT HAD, WE HAVE PACIFIC DISTRICT CALLED SINGLE FAMILY A ATTACHED IN ORDER TO DO THE TOWN HOMES THAT THEY'RE DESIRING, THEY WOULD HAVE TO, UH, SEEK A REZONING. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. 
          UM, THANK YOU MR. BREWER. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          UH, WE ARE ALREADY IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WE'RE CONTINUING IT. 
          SO AT THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVING, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT IS NOT PRESENT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA HAVE CITIZEN'S COMMENT AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON, ON THIS SUBJECT. 
          AND, UM, VICE CHAIR BROOKS WILL BE YOUR TIMEKEEPER AND WE'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOUR TIME IS HAS EXPIRED. 
          UH, THE FIRST PERSON THAT WE HAVE WISHING TO SPEAK, UH, THIS 
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ATTORNEY, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WE'RE CONTINUING. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO REOPEN IT, DO WE? WE JUST CONTINUE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THE FIRST PERSON TO SPEAK THIS EVENING WILL BE DARIUS RAYOR. 
          GOOD EVENING, MR. RENAR, IF YOU WOULD. 
          GOOD, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE UP HERE. 
          MY NAME IS DARIUS DOC RENAR. 
          I'M A CITIZEN OF THE DESO. 
          I'M ALSO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PRESIDENT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S, UH, JUST NORTH OF THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING RIGHT THERE. 
          AND, UH, I WANT YOU TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF OTHER, OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT, LIKE YOU SAID, THEY ALREADY HAD THEIR ZONING WHERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES CAN GO THERE AND WE DON'T REALLY, AS THE HOMEOWNER HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          BUT WE DO ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF BEING, UH, ATTACHED TOWN HOMES THERE FOR VARIOUS REASON. 
          I'M ALSO A PRESIDENT OF A HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION, ARLINGTON TOWN HOME, OUR OWN TOWN HOMES, AND, UH, AND BEING THE PRESIDENT THERE OVER THE YEAR, WE'VE SEEN THAT THOSE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN TURNED MORE INTO RENTAL PROPERTIES AND INVESTORS HAVE BOUGHT THOSE PROPERTIES AND THE UPKEEP HAS BECAME QUITE EXPENSIVE FOR OUR ASSOCIATION UPKEEP. 
          I'M NOT AGAINST ANYONE LIVING ANYWHERE. 
          EVERYBODY THERE IS A DECENT HOUSING STATE, BUT WE JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS NOTHING BEING PUT THERE THAT IS NOT OF THE QUALITY THAT'S NEEDED. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE THE LOWER INCOME WHERE WE COULD POSSIBLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE PROBLEMS HERE WHERE WE CAN'T ENJOY THE QUIETNESS OF OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAVE A UNNECESSARY TRAFFIC. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE ARE NOT AGAINST SINGLE FAMILY HOME BEING. 
          NOW WE'D LIKE TO SEE SOME QUALITY, UH, YOU KNOW, HOMES PUT THERE, BUT WE ARE FIRMLY AGAINST THESE MULTIFAMILY ATTACHED TOWN HOMES. 
          AND, UH, THEY JUST, UH, WE AT THIS TIME ASK THAT TO COMMISSION THAT Y'ALL WOULD NOT CHANGE THE ZONING INTO WHO ALLOW THOSE MULTIFAMILY HERE FOR ALL DIFFERENT VARIOUS REASONS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MR. NAR. 
          GLORIA JERNIGAN. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MS. JERNIGAN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. 
          HI, MY NAME IS GLORIA JOURNIGAN AND I LIVE IN DESOTO. 
          SO WE ARE THIS PROPOSED, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ARE GONNA BE LOCATED IS RIGHT BEHIND MY SUBDIVISION. 
          I LIVE IN HAMPTON MEADOWS, AND CURRENTLY IT'S BEEN VERY CHALLENGING FOR THE HOMES THAT WILL BE RIGHT BEHIND OR NEAR THIS PROPERTY BECAUSE THE CURRENT OWNER HAS CATTLE THERE AND THE WAY THEY BUILT THEIR FENCE, IT USED TO BE A WALKING TRAIL, BUT THEY NOW HAVE THE FENCE OVER THE WALKING TRAIL, AND SO YOU CAN'T WALK THROUGH THERE ANYMORE. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY ALSO, BECAUSE OF THE WEEDS THAT HAVE GROWN UP THAT NOW LOOK LIKE TREES, THOSE WEEDS AND TREES ARE PRESSING AGAINST THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER'S FENCES. 
          SO IT'S PUSHING THEIR FENCES IN, BUT YOU CAN'T EVEN GET BACK THERE ANYMORE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. 
          SO WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THIS IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE AND NOT KNOWING WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE A SECTION EIGHT KIND OF PROPERTY, IT IS A CONCERN BECAUSE I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE I FEEL LIKE WE ARE THE STEPCHILDREN OF HAMPTON METALS AND DESOTO BECAUSE WE ARE AT THE TIP WHERE IT KIND OF SAYS, WELCOME TO DESOTO AND WE LIKE OUR QUIET AREA, BUT WE DON'T WANT BAD TRAFFIC TENANTS THAT ARE NOT GONNA KEEP UP WITH THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND AGAIN, WE DO HAVE A CONCERN THAT THE WALKING TRAIL NO LONGER EXISTS BECAUSE THEY'VE, IT'S ALL GROWN UP INTO A FOREST OVER THERE. 
          AND IN ORDER FOR YOU TO EVEN GO OUT THE BACK, YOU CAN'T DO IT. 
          THE, THE, UM, UTILITY LINES THAT ARE ACROSS THE TOP, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO DO MAINTENANCE, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE GLEN HEIGHTS HOMEOWNER HOUSE. 
          IN ORDER TO DO THAT, YOU CAN'T EVEN GET BACK THERE ANYMORE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY CONCERNS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH MS. JERNIGAN. 
          ANY OTHER PERSONS WISHING TO ADDRESS? YES, UH, TANYA WATSON. 
          THANK ME. 
          HELLO. 
          HELLO. 
          NEW YEAR TO EVERYBODY. 
          SO MY NAME IS TANYA WATSON ROSE. 
          AND WHERE THE, THE TOWN HOMES ARE GONNA BE BUILT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT REALLY AFFECTS MY AREA BECAUSE I AM LIKE RIGHT BEHIND GLEN HEIGHTS, SO I REALLY DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          BUT ARE THESE TOWN HOMES, ARE THEY GONNA BE RENTAL OR ARE THEY 
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GONNA BE PURCHASED STAFF, DO YOU HAVE AN ANSWER FOR THAT? WE DON'T KNOW AND WE DON'T HAVE REGULATIONS TO MAKE THAT INQUIRY. 
          THANK YOU MR. BREWER. 
          SO WILL WE EVER KNOW THAT, OR IF ANYTHING MOVES FORWARD, WILL WE EVER KNOW IF THEY ARE PURCHASED OR SOMETHING? NOT THROUGH OUR ZONING PROCESS, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER PERSONS WISHES TO SPEAK? HEARING AND SAYING? NONE. 
          DO I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED BY, UH, COMMISSIONER BELL AND SECOND BY VICE CHAIR BROOKS TO CLOSE. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ANY OPPOSES? ALRIGHT, SO MOVED. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? JUST, UM, CLARIFYING, UH, CONFIRMING YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET UP. 
          MR. BREWER, THIS IS A VERY EASY QUESTION. 
          WE HAVE BEEN ADAMANT ON THIS COMMISSION TO ASK THAT THE APPLICANT SHOW UP TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          UH, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT STAFF DID COMMUNICATE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT, THAT THE COMMISSIONER PREFERS THAT THEY SHOW UP AND ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT COME UP? YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, THE, THE APPLICANT WAS TOLD OVER THE PHONE AND THROUGH EMAIL AND THROUGH THE EMAIL SENT THE LINK ON HOW TO, UH, KEEP UP WITH THE STATUS OF THEIR MEETING DATES. 
          I ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THEM VIA EMAIL TODAY AND LET THEM KNOW THAT, UM, PLEASE, AND THANK YOU COME  TO THE MEETING TONIGHT. 
          UM, I WAS EXPECTING TO SEE THEM TONIGHT. 
          WAS THERE ANY COMMUNICATION ON REGARDING WHY THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND? NO, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU MR. BREWER. 
          YES, SIR. 
          YES, SIR. 
          IF I MIGHT JUST GO BACK AND GET SOME CLARIFICATION FOR MYSELF. 
          UM, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS WAS ASKING WHETHER THEY WOULD BE RENTAL OR WOULD THEY BE OWNED? AND I KNOW IN THE ZONING PROCESS WE DON'T KNOW THAT, BUT WHEN THEY, IF THEY WERE TO GET APPROVAL, COME BACK BEFORE GETTING READY TO DEVELOP, WOULD WE KNOW, WOULD WE EVER KNOW THAT OR THAT SOMETHING NEVER HAS TO BE DISCLOSED? I WOULD NEED TO, UH, ASK CALEB FOR YOUR SUPPORT. 
          I DO KNOW WHEN IT COMES BACK FOR PLATING, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROPERTY OWNER AT THAT POINT WHO OWNS THESE TWO TRACKS OF LAND, PLATTING THE PROPERTY TO CARVE IT UP TO BE THE 16 LOTS. 
          BUT AFTER THAT POINT, WHO SUBMITS AN INDIVIDUAL BUILDING PERMIT STILL COULD BE A BUILDER, HE COULD STILL BUILD IT. 
          WE DON'T ISSUE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES FOR RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES LIKE WE WOULD WITH A COMMERCIAL. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY WE WOULD KNOW IS IF WE LOOKED AT THE, WHO SETS UP THE WATER UTILITY BILL TO SEE IF THAT WAS THE SAME PERSON AT THE TIME OF THE, OF THE, UM, PLAT. 
          AND AGAIN, REALIZING THAT AS A DEVELOPER BUILDS THE HOME, IT'S TYPICALLY SOLD TO SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          AND WHETHER THAT CELLIE IS THE OCCUPANT, WE WOULDN'T IMMEDIATELY KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS OR INSIGHTS BEFORE WE MOVE? UM, I'M GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. 
          UH, YEAH, SO COMMISSIONERS, UM, I'LL SAY ON ITS FACE, THIS CHANGE OF ZONING IS, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME, RIGHT? BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THESE CITIZENS HAVE CONCERNS THAT MAYBE IF THE DEVELOPER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER HAD SHOWN TODAY COULD HAVE MAYBE SPOKEN TO NOW, JUST LIKE MR. BREWER SAYS, ONCE THE PROPERTY IS SOLD, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN DO IS THEY PLEASE WITH IT. 
          SO IT COULD START OFF IT, A HOMEOWNER HAVING A CONDO AND THEN THE HOMEOWNER MOVES OUT AND DECIDES TO RENT IT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, PART OF THE GAME. 
          UM, ON HIS FACE. 
          I THINK THAT THE, UH, THE ZONING CHANGE IS NOT PROBLEMATIC WITHIN ITSELF. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS FROM THESE CITIZENS ABOUT TOO MUCH TRAFFIC OR, UM, YOU KNOW, PROBLEMS WITH TOO MANY PEOPLE BEING IN THE AREA AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, 
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THE DISPOSITION OF THOSE PEOPLE. 
          UH, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, I ALSO THINK THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW TO INQUIRY ABOUT. 
          UH, I WOULD SAY THAT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE DEVELOPER. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE DEVELOPER OR THE PROPERTY OWNER SOME QUESTIONS. 
          UH, THEY ARE NOT HERE, SO I WOULD BE WILLING TO SUPPORT A FLAT OUT DENIAL OR A, UH, SOME KIND OF CONTINUANCE TO GET THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SHOW UP. 
          ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY INSIGHTS OR THOUGHTS THEY'D LIKE TO SHARE? OKAY. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I TOO SHARE THE SAME SENTIMENTS AS COMMISSIONER BELL. 
          I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CHANGING OF THE ZONING. 
          UH, I DO KNOW THAT DESOTO NEEDS SOME DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING AND JUST SUNDAY, A LADY MOVING IN FROM MINNESOTA WHO SAYS, I'M REALLY RETIRED, I'M NOT GONNA BE HOME, I'M GONNA BE TRAVELING. 
          I WANNA OWN SOMETHING, BUT I WANT SOMETHING SMALL THAT'S MORE MANAGEABLE. 
          SO I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A NEED FOR THIS. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS WOULD YOU CONSIDER A MOTION TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND UH, TRY TO GET THE APPLICANT BACK TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FORTH? AND IF, IF, AND IF SO, COULD SOMEONE BRING THAT MOTION? IS THAT ATTORNEY, IS THAT OKAY TO RE OR ONCE IT'S CLOSED WE CAN'T REOPEN IT? YOU COULD REOPEN IT, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARY. 
          UM, WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE IT EVERY SINGLE TIME IT COMES OKAY. 
          BEFORE THE COMMISSION. 
          SO, UH, IT'S, YOU, YOU CAN, BUT IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARY. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. BREWER, I'M GONNA LOOK TO YOU, YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD SEND NOTICES OUT. 
          AGAIN, THERE MAY BE MORE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO COME BACK AT THIS POINT, AND IF WE DON'T MAKE IT A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEND NOTICES SO PEOPLE WON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE HAVING. 
          SO WHAT WOULD BE YOUR RECOMMENDATION? WHAT, WHAT STAFF THINK IS THE BEST THING FOR US TO DO? UH, A COUPLE THINGS. 
          COUPLE THINGS. 
          A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          WHEN I GOT BACK, UH, GO TO THE, THIS DRAWING HERE. 
          I, I MENTIONED THAT I, AT THAT TIME I WAS SPEAKING, UH, AT THE PODIUM. 
          I WASN'T SURE ABOUT THE DISTANCE MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND IF YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A, A LINE DISTANCE THAT IS SHOWING THE ENCORE EASEMENT. 
          AND LIKE I SAID, MY EYES, I COULDN'T READ IT, BUT I WAS ASKING TRENT AND HE WAS SAYING THAT DISTANCE WAS 200 8250. 
          250. 
          SO, SO FIRST THING I JUST WANNA MAKE YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENTS, STATE STATUTE, LOCAL STATUTE, PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET WOULD BE THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WOULD THEN INFLUENCE IF A MASU, IF A 20% OF THAT, UH, PROPERTY WAS OPPOSED OF IT, IT WOULD THUS TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE AT THE COUNCIL. 
          NOW, WE ALSO SENT OUT NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 400 FEET, STRAIGHT OUT, ALL AROUND. 
          WE DIDN'T GET ANY NOTICES BACK. 
          YOU COULD LOOK AT KIND OF FOLLOWING YOUR PRACTICE. 
          LET ME BACK UP. 
          YOU ALREADY CONTINUED IT FROM YOUR LAST MEETING TO HERE TO GIVE THE APPLICANT TIME TO GET HIS SITE PLAN TOGETHER THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE HERE. 
          IT IS TOTALLY YOUR PLEASURE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO TABLE IT TO THAT YOUR NEXT MEETING, IF THAT'S WHEN YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IT SPECIFICALLY AND WE MAKE ANOTHER ATTEMPT TO TELL THE APPLICANT HE, UM, IS BEING REQUESTED TO MEET BEFORE YOUR COMMISSION TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          BUT IT'S TOTALLY YOUR CALL. 
          WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE SENDING OUT NOTICES AGAIN 'CAUSE WE'VE MET OUR STATE AND LOCAL OBLIGATION. 
          BUT IF YOU REQUESTED US TO, WE WOULD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU MR. BREWER. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSIONERS, UM, IS THERE ANYONE THAT, UH, I THINK PERHAPS MAYBE WE SHOULD TABLE IT AND THEN COME TO THE NEXT MEETING AND MAYBE PERHAPS TO GIVE THE APPLICANT A CHANCE TO COME BACK AND DISCUSS. 
          THAT'S JUST A PERSONAL OPINION. 
          UH, I DON'T KNOW. 
          COMMISSIONER, UH, BILL? YES MA'AM. 
          PLEASE LEMME ME ONE INTERRUPTION. 
          DON'T FORGET, YOUR NEXT MEETING IS YOUR HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE, REZONING 
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CASE ON UH, JANUARY THE 28TH. 
          YOU DON'T KNOW HOW LARGER ATTENDEES YOU'LL GET HERE, BUT PLEASE REMEMBER THAT IS ON YOUR, WILL BE ON YOUR AGENDA SHOULD YOU DECIDE TO ADD ANOTHER CASE ALSO, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY CASES WE'RE GONNA HAVE ON THAT? I WOULDN'T FORESEE THIS TAKING TOO LONG. 
          IF WE'RE JUST REALLY NEEDING TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT. 
          IF YOU GIMME A SECOND, RENAR WOULD WILL CHECK AT THE CALENDAR. 
          OKAY? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT TIME, ANOTHER TIME. 
          PUSH IT INTO FEBRUARY. 
          OKAY, MR. P, WE'RE GOOD. 
          WE'RE GONNA JUST, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A MOTION. 
          WE DON'T NEED THAT INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          I AM READY FOR A MOTION. 
          I'M READY. 
          YOU SAID YOU ? NO, NO. 
          WOULD YOU, YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION I MOVE THAT WE TABLE THE PUBLIC TABLE CASE NUMBER Z 1 15 34 DASH 24 UNTIL OUR FIRST MEETING IN FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY 11TH, I BELIEVE. 
          IS THAT THE CORRECT DATE? CORRECT DATE? YES, MA'AM. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IT'S BEEN MOVED BY VICE CHAIR THAT WE TABLE THIS CASE UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING, FEB, FEBRUARY THE 11TH. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE A SECOND BY MR. LARO. 
          ARE YOU READY FOR THE QUESTION? ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSES? ALWAYS. 
          UH, THE MOTION PASSES. 
          THANK YOU STAFF. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, IF I CAN, YES, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD AND FOR THE INFORMATION OF THE PUBLIC, WE'VE DECIDED TO TABLE THIS TO GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF SOME OF THE, UM, THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE NEARBY THIS PROPERTY. 
          UH, FOR THE RESIDENTS BENEFITS. 
          YOU GUYS ACTUALLY LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE, UH, THE NOTIFICATION AREA. 
          SO WE ARE NOW OBLIGATED TO DO SO, BUT WE, OUR, THE WAY WE'VE BEEN MANAGING, UM, OUR COMMISSIONS IS THAT WE WANT TO GIVE DEFERENCE TO OUR CITIZENS. 
          WE ARE CITIZENS AS WELL. 
          WE UNDERSTAND, UH, THE SENTIMENTS OF THE FOLKS WHO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH US, RIGHT? AND SO WE ARE GIVING THE, UH, APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN AND ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. 
          SO MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO HAVE THOSE SQUARED AWAY WHEN YOU COME BACK SO THAT YOU CAN GET THE ANSWERS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. 
          UM, AND HOPEFULLY, UM, THAT WILL ASSUAGE SOME OF YOUR FEARS AND MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION, A MEANINGFUL RESOLUTION TO THESE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER PEREL. 
          ALRIGHT, WE'RE MOVING TO 
          [1.  Discuss both the re-envisioned/reduced Hampton Road Character Code (HRCC) zoning boundary map and the City's Zoning Ordinance in preparation for the public hearing scheduled for the January 28, 2025, Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting (to reconsider the City Council ordered rezoning of properties within the re-envisioned/reduced HRCC zoning boundary area).]
THE REGULAR AGENDA. 
          THE FIRST ITEM THAT WE HAVE THIS EVENING IS DISCUSS THE, BOTH THE REVISION REDUCED HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE, ZONING, BOUNDARY MAP, AND THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE IN PREPARATION FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THE JANUARY 28TH, 2025 PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO RECONSIDER THE CITY COUNCIL ORDERED REZONING OF PROPERTIES WITHIN THE RE ENVISION AND REDUCE HARRINGTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE ZONING BOUNDARY AREA, AND COMMISSIONERS. 
          BEFORE MR. BREWER BEGINS WITH HIS PRESENTATION, I WANT JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS WORKSHOP THIS EVENING, AND TO ASK AS MANY QUESTIONS, UH, ESPECIALLY TO OUR NEW COMMISSIONERS AS YOU DEEM NECESSARY TO GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING SO THAT WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON JANUARY THE 28TH. 
          A AS WELL AS KNOW THAT NO QUESTION IS INSIGNIFICANT AND STAFF WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR US AFTER TODAY'S MEETING IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT, THAT YOU WANT TO ASK. 
          BUT THEY HAVE PREPARED. 
          AND I'VE ALSO ASKED SEVERAL OTHER STAFFERS TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. 
          UM, I KNOW COMMISSIONER BERRY, UH, COMMISSIONER EDWARDS AND I HAVE ATTENDED SOME OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THERE ARE VARIOUS THINGS THAT HAVE COME UP AND IF WE'RE NEEDING JUST SOME CLARITY AROUND SOME THINGS THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE, UH, THIS EVENING. 
          SO WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HERE, AND 
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I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR ENGINEERING, YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT. 
          OKAY? WE WILL NOT HAVE ANYONE FOR ENGINEERING. 
          SO, UM, AT THIS TIME WE'RE GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UM, DIRECTOR BREWER, UH, FOR HIS PRESENTATION. 
          AGAIN, COMMISSIONER, UM, YOU'RE ABOUT TO TAKE A REMANDED CASE BACK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL REMANDED BACK TO YOU CONCERNING THE REZONINGS OF PROPERTY IN THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE, UH, ZONING AREA. 
          FROM THE TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE, YOU HAVE THREE NEW MEMBERS WHO WERE NOT INVOLVED WITH THAT PROCESS AT THAT TIME. 
          SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS, TO TRY TO, UH, JUST UPDATE YOU ON SOME OF THE THINGS THE COMMISSION ACTUALLY DID. 
          AFTER THE CASE LEFT THIS BOARD, WHICH WAS ADDRESSING SOME THINGS, QUESTIONS CAME UP DEALING WITH ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, NON-CONFORMITY. 
          AND DURING THE FIRST PROCESS, HONESTLY, STAFF WAS NOT READY. 
          WE DID NOT ADDRESS THOSE, UH, QUESTIONS AT THAT POINT. 
          BUT SINCE THEN, WE'VE GOTTEN OURSELF REAL, THOROUGHLY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF BOTH THE, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE, THE HAMPTON CODE. 
          UH, WE HAVE EVEN HEARD THE RESIDENTS IDENTIFY THAT THEY REALLY COULDN'T TELL BY LOOKING AT THAT BOUNDARY MAP WHERE THEY LIVED. 
          SO WE WORKED WITH OUR GSI AND, UH, CREATED AN ONLINE, UH, INTERACTIVE MAP THAT ANYBODY COULD GO ON AND CLICK TO FIND OUT WHAT'S THE CURRENT ZONING OF THEIR PROPERTY AND WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED. 
          AFTER WE LEFT YOU THE FIRST TIME STAFF, WE WERE ALSO NOT AWARE THAT THERE HAD BEEN A SENATE BILL 9 2 9 PASS THAT ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED PACIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WE NEEDED TO PUT IN A SEPARATE LETTER FROM THE PUBLIC HEARING NOTIFICATION LETTERS THAT WE'VE MAILED OUT TO PEOPLE WITHIN 200 FEET AND COURTESY NOTICES TO 400 FEET. 
          AND SO SINCE THAT TIME, UH, COUNCIL HAS SUPPORTED US, WE'VE HAD OUR ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDED TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE. 
          WE ALSO KNOW AT THIS POINT IN OUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE ACTUALLY IN OUR EYES NON-CONFORMING. 
          SO LEMME START WITH THAT NON-CONFORMING PART. 
          AND AFTER I, I DO MY, UM, SPEECH, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO RENA, SHE'S GONNA GIVE THE PRESENTATION THAT, UH, BEST AND BEST'S OUT ILL THIS EVENING. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE THAT SHE COULD NOT BE HERE TO GO OVER WHAT WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING TO, UH, RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS. 
          UH, WE'VE ALREADY CONDUCTED, UH, FOUR PUBLIC MEETINGS. 
          WE HAD THREE IN DECEMBER. 
          WE HAD ONE THIS PAST SATURDAY, AND WE HAVE TWO MORE THIS THURSDAY. 
          ONE IN THE MORNING, ONE IN EVENING. 
          SO WHEN WE BROUGHT THE NON-CONFORMING TOPIC TO YOU, STAFF AT THAT TIME HAD READ CHAPTER SEVEN OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, AND IT CLEARLY IS ESTABLISHED AS NON-CONFORMING, AND IT ADDRESSES THAT AREA WITHIN THAT CHAPTER SEVEN SECTION SUBSECTION 7.6, THERE WAS A SEC. 
          IT IDENTIFIES AND ESTABLISHES A THRESHOLD NUMBER THAT THIS CITY HAS ADOPTED AS BEING THE PERCENTAGE THAT'S GOING TO DIVIDE TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT A PERSON CAN REBUILD THEIR PROPERTY AT A CATASTROPHIC EVENT TO THE OLD STANDARDS OR WHETHER OR NOT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO BUILD TO THE NEW STANDARDS. 
          SO WHEN WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU, WE EVEN BROUGHT YOU A, A MARKET ANALYSIS THAT WE HAD RESEARCHED SEVERAL CITIES AND IDENTIFIED THAT IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM DIFFERENT CITIES. 
          WE ALSO HAD RESEARCHED THAT THE STATE STATUTE DID NOT ESTABLISH A PERCENTAGE NUMBER. 
          IT LEFT IT UP TO THE CITIES OF WHAT THOSE NUMBERS WOULD BE. 
          WE SHOWED YOU A REPORT THAT SOME COUPLE OF CITIES HAD 50%. 
          WE HAD 60%. 
          WE EVEN SHOWED YOU ONE CITY THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWED IT 100%, UM, AS ITS NUMBER. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, THE COMMISSIONER, UH, WHO SAT HERE, THEY SUPPORTED THAT. 
          AND ACTUALLY YOU VOTED AND MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF, UH, SUPPORTING THAT RECOMMENDATION, BUT THAT DID NOT GO TO COUNCIL BECAUSE WHILE STAFF WAS LOOKING AND INVESTIGATING A ZONING BOARD CASE OF A TOTALLY DIFFERENT MATTER WITHIN THE SECTION NINE OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE THAT, UH, IDENTIFIES EVERYTHING WITH ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT IN THE VERY BACK OF THAT SECTION, IT ESTABLISHES WHAT A, WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR SOMEONE IF THEIR PROPERTY IS DAMAGED ABOVE THAT THRESHOLD NUMBER. 
          AND IT IS CLEARLY WRITTEN THAT ABOVE THAT THRESHOLD NUMBER, IT IS ESTABLISHED THAT A PERSON COULD MAKE A VARIANCE REQUEST TO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          SO IT IS ESTABLISHED, WE JUST DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THAT WHEN WE CAME TO YOU BEFORE, BUT THAT IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING NOW. 
          SO AT SOME POINT, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US TO BRING THAT BACK 
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TO YOU, BECAUSE YOU STILL WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT RECOMMENDATION, PLEASE LET US KNOW. 
          WE WOULD BRING IT BACK, BUT I DON'T WANNA BRING IT BACK UNLESS I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION UP WITH US FINDING OUT THAT THERE IS A ZBA VARIANCE, UH, PROCESS, UH, AVAILABLE FOR A RESIDENT. 
          SO LET US KNOW ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, I MENTIONED EARLIER THE SENATE BILL 9 2 9. 
          IT HAD TWO SECTIONS. 
          THE FIRST SECTION ESTABLISHED SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN 14 TYPE FONT OR GREATER, THAT WE MUST PUT IN A LETTER TO BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND TENANT FOR A PROPERTY THAT WE VIEW AS GOING FROM NON-CONFORMING, GOING FROM CONFORMING TO NON-CONFORMING. 
          SO WE ARE PREPARING TO SEND THOSE LETTERS OUT. 
          AND I BELIEVE RENO, THAT NUMBER HAS BEEN REDUCED DOWN TO 21. 
          AND WE'LL SHOW YOU ON HER PRESENTATION MAP. 
          WE GOTTA IDENTIFY WHERE, WHERE THOSE ARE. 
          UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS WAS A CONCERN BECAUSE PEOPLE WAS CONCERNED THAT, UH, SOMEBODY WAS GONNA BUILD ANOTHER STRUCTURE AND PEOPLE STARTED LIVING IN, IN THE BACK OF THOSE. 
          AND AT THE TIME, WE COULD NOT ANSWER THAT. 
          SO WE HAD PUT THAT ON THE COMMISSION'S, UH, AGENDA. 
          AND CURRENTLY THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCES ALLOWS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS. 
          IT STARTS OUT BY RIGHT IN OUR LARGEST ZONING DISTRICTS, OUR TWO LARGEST ZONING DISTRICTS ARE THE SINGLE FAMILY, UH, COUNTRY STATES AND, UM, ESTATES. 
          UM, THEY ARE BOTH MINIMUM SIZE LOTS OF, OF 3000 FEET. 
          SO FOR THOSE COMMERCIAL, FOR THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE 3000 GREATER, THAT HAD THOSE TWO ZONING CLASSIFICATION, THEY ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT? A PERSON WOULD JUST HAVE TO COME IN AND GET A PERMIT. 
          NOW FOR OUR OTHER BASIC ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH STARTS OUT SSF 20, SF 15, SF 10, SF NINE, AND SF EIGHT, THEY ARE ALSO ALLOWED, BUT THEY REQUIRE A PACIFIC USE PERMIT. 
          AND AGAIN, A PACIFIC PERM PACIFIC USE PERMIT IS ANOTHER ZONING LAYER THAT REQUIRES INPUT AND A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU. 
          UM, AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO THE PNZ AND COUNCIL WOULD HAVE INVOLVEMENT WITH ANY OF THE OTHER RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS FOR THE NEW FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE IN THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE AREA. 
          A A DU IS ALLOWED IN THE LOWER TWO, UH, DISTRICTS. 
          AND WHEN NORA TALK, WE'LL, WE'LL SHOW YOU WHAT THOSE ARE. 
          IT'S AGAIN, THE FIVE DISTRICTS STARTS OUT WITH THE MOST INTENSE, HAVING THE POTENTIAL OF BEING A FIVE STORY, WHICH COULD BE A MIXED USE WITH COMMERCIAL ON THE BOTTOM AND RESIDENTIAL ON THE TOP. 
          AND THEN THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, UM, KIND OF REDUCED DOWN TO WHERE THREE STORY, UM, TWO STORY AND A SINGLE STORY. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE OVERALL THINGS THAT I DEFINITELY WANT YOU TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE OF. 
          WE ALSO BROUGHT TO YOU AT YOUR LAST MEETING THAT OVERVIEW REDUCED REVISIONED MAP. 
          UH, THERE WAS A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN YOUR COMMISSION, THE CITY COUNCIL, AND DDC AT WHICH STAFF INTRODUCED TO, UH, THAT GROUP A REDUCED BOUNDARY. 
          WE HEARD, UH, FROM YOUR, FROM THE FIRST PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH THAT IT APPEARED THAT IT WAS MORE RESIDE RESIDENTS THAT WERE BEING CONCERNED WITH THIS REZONING. 
          UM, AND THUS THIS REDUCED MAP, WHICH RENAR WOULD SHOW MORE SO BORDERED THE HAMPTON ROAD, THE BELT LINE, AND THE PLEASANT RUN CORRIDOR, WHICH MORE SPECIFICALLY, UH, IS GEARED FOR THE COMMERCIAL TYPE DEVELOPMENT SINCE WHAT WE HEARD THE GOAL AS THE CITY IS, UH, TO REALLY ATTRACT THAT DEVELOPMENT THERE, TO HAVE THAT LIVE, WORK, UH, PLAY TYPE AREA THERE. 
          SO WE'LL GET INTO THE SITE PLAN RENO, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE JOIN ME AND I'LL LET YOU FLOW THROUGH HER PROCESS, HER SITE PLAN. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS IS JUST GONNA BE A QUICK OVERVIEW. 
          GOOD EVENING AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, SO, UM, HERE'S THE, UH, HISTORY OF THE HAMPTON ROAD PROJECT FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE UNFAMILIAR. 
          SO IN 2005, UM, THE HAMPTON ROAD CAME, THEY CAME UP WITH A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, WE HAD THE COMP PLAN, THE, UM, ECONOMIC ASSESSMENT IN 2019, UM, LAND USE STUDY TAX INCREMENT, UM, REINVESTMENT ZONE, STREETSCAPE MASTER PLAN, HAMPTON ROAD, CHARACTER CODE REGULATIONS, WHICH HAPPENED LAST YEAR IN 2024. 
          UH, UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN LAST YEAR. 
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AND NOW WE, UM, WE ARE HERE TONIGHT BECAUSE THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE PROPERTY REZONING WAS WITHDRAWN, UM, TO BE REFOCUSED, UM, TO, UH, A FOCUS AREA. 
          SO IN MAY THROUGH JULY OF 2024, THE CREATION OF THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE REDUCED BOUNDARY MAP WAS INTRODUCED, AND STAFF WENT ON A BUS TOUR TO EXPLORE OTHER CITIES THAT HAD A SIMILAR PROJECT THAT WHAT WE ASPIRED TO HAVE. 
          UM, IN AUGUST OF 2024, THE CITY COUNCIL P AND Z AND DDC HAD A JOINT SESSION ON REDUCING THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE BOUNDARIES. 
          UM, AND WE DISCUSSED, UH, PLACE OTHER CITIES THAT HAD SIMILAR PROJECTS IN WHICH WE VISIT IN NOVEMBER OF 2024. 
          THE CITY COUNCIL, UM, DRAWING A CONSENSUS ON THE REDUCED BOUNDARY MAP. 
          AND IN DECEMBER OF 2024, THE REDUCED BOUNDARY MAP INFORMATION, WE HAD INFORMATION SESSIONS ON THIS SLIDE. 
          YOU WILL SEE IN MAY OF 2024, THE UM, HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE, UM, MAP WAS INTRODUCED ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          YOU WILL SEE IN NOVEMBER, WE IS THE REDUCED MAP. 
          THIS MAP FOCUSED MORE ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          UM, FOR NOW, THE, UH, FIRST MAP IS NOT GOING AWAY, WHICH INCLUDES THE RESIDENTIAL MAPS, BUT, UM, WE'RE GONNA FOCUS MORE ON THE COMMERCIAL. 
          SO LIKE MR. BREW WAS, UM, SPOKE OF EARLIER WITH THE NONCONFORMING PROPERTIES. 
          UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 21 PROPERTIES. 
          IF YOU LOOK, UH, ON THE MAP, THE LIGHT GREEN, UH, THE, UH, NEON GREEN, UH, ALL THE NONCONFORMING PROPERTIES IN THE CITY OF DESOTO FOR THE HAMPTON ROAD, UH, REDUCED MAP, THE REDUCED, UH, CHARACTER CODE MAP, THE FOCUS AREA. 
          SO, AND, UM, THESE ZONES, WE HAVE FIVE ZONES. 
          THE FIRST ZONING IS THE URBAN CENTER, UH, ZONE, WHICH TARGETS, UH, MIXED USE SHOPPING, PROFESSIONAL OFFICE, RESTAURANTS AND APARTMENTS. 
          UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE DISCOURAGED IN THIS ZONING IS, UH, LOWER DENSITY RESIDENT, UH, LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL USE, LARGE ASSEMBLY USE AND DRIVE THROUGHS. 
          HERE'S AN EXAMPLE, UM, FOR ROANOKE CITY, WHAT, UM, URBAN CITY WILL LOOK LIKE NEXT. 
          WE HAVE URBAN GENERAL. 
          THIS AREA TARGETS MIXED, MIXED USE SHOPPING AND PERSONAL SERVICES, PROFESSIONAL OFFICES, APARTMENT AND TOWN HOMES. 
          UM, DISCOURAGED USES ARE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL INDUSTRIAL USE AND DRIVE THROUGHS. 
          AND ON A MAP YOU'LL SEE, UM, SHADED AND GRAY ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE CONSIDERED URBAN GEN THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED URBAN GENERAL. 
          AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF, UM, URBAN GENERAL, UM, STRUCTURES. 
          IT SHOWS, UM, LIVING AT RESIDENTIAL AT THE TOP, AND RETAIL AT THE BOTTOM. 
          NEXT WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. 
          UM, WE HAVE MORE IN THE REDUCED, UM, HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE MAP. 
          WE HAVE MORE IN THE SOUTH, BUT THIS TARGETS, UH, SHOPPING AND PERSONAL SERVICES, RETAIL OFFICES, APARTMENTS, TOWN HOMES, DISCOURAGED USES ARE HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AND STORAGE UNITS. 
          NEXT, WE HAVE, UM, URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERTIES, WHICH, UM, ENCOURAGE APARTMENTS, TOWN HOMES, UM, AND SOME MIXED USES WHERE RETAIL AND OFFICE AND RESIDENTIALS COMBINED. 
          UM, DISCOURAGES LODGING, LARGE SCALE MEDICAL FACILITIES AND INDUSTRIAL USES. 
          THERE'S A FEW ON THIS MAP, UM, WITHIN THE REDUCED, UH, CHARACTER CODE FOCUS MAP. 
          AND LASTLY, WE HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITION PROPERTIES, UM, ON THIS MAP, ON AND IN A REDUCED MAP, UM, THERE ARE MORE TO THE SOUTH OF THE OF, OF THE CITY. 
          THIS ENCOURAGED, UH, TOWN HOMES, DUPLEXES, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AND ACCESSARY DWELLINGS. 
          UM, DISCOURAGE IS MULTI-UNIT LIVING, UM, COMMERCIAL VEHICLE SALES AND INDUSTRIAL USE. 
          AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF URBAN TRANSITION, WHICH IS, UM, THE, THE TYPE OF HOMES YOU WANNA SEE, UM, MOVING AWAY FROM THE MORE, UM, COMMERCIAL RETAIL STRUCTURES. 
          SO, UM, 
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WIDELY REDUCED MAP IS FOR, UH, ECONOMIC VIBRANCY, UM, SPECIALTY RETAILERS, UM, BOUTIQUE STORES AND RESTAURANTS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WANNA LIVE, WORK AND PLAY IN THE CITY OF . 
          WE DON'T WANNA, UM, SPEND OUR TAX DOLLARS IN OTHER CITIES. 
          WE WANNA, UH, REVAMP THE CITY AND HAVE IT A PLACE WHERE YOU WANT TO, UM, SPEND MORE OF YOUR TIME IN YOUR OWN COMMUNITY AND CELEBRATE YOUR OWN CITY AND CREATE MORE SOCIAL INTERACTION. 
          SO ON, UM, THIS SCHEDULE, THIS WAS, THIS, UH, CHART IS A SCHEDULE OF EVENTS. 
          IT JUST, THIS, UM, DISPLAYS ALL THE PUBLIC MEETINGS WE HAD. 
          UM, WE HAD THREE MEETINGS IN DECEMBER AND THREE MEETINGS IN JANUARY. 
          UM, ON THE 16TH, WE WOULD HAVE OUR LAST TWO MEETINGS. 
          UM, WE TRIED TO DO A MEETING ON THE WEEKEND IN THE MORNINGS AND IN THE EVENINGS. 
          SO ON THE 16TH, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THE CITIZENS AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE, UM, WELL INFORMED. 
          WE ARE GONNA HAVE A MEETING IN THE MORNING AND ONE IN THE EVENING. 
          UM, TONIGHT IS OUR PLANNING COMMISSION WORKSHOP WHERE WE, UM, JUST GETTING THE COMMISSIONER MORE EDUCATED ON WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          AND WE WILL HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION ON THE 28TH IF RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          IT WILL GO TO CITY COUNCIL FOR, UH, APPROVAL ON FEBRUARY THE 18TH. 
          SO NEXT, UM, THIS IS A SHEET JUST SHOWING YOU HOW TO NAVIGATE OUR WEBSITE TO GET TO THE INTERACTIVE MAP. 
          THERE'S A MAP, UM, THAT THE CITY HAS, UM, MADE ACTIVE FOR CITIZENS TO HAVE A BETTER VIEW OF, UH, A BETTER IDEA OF IF THEY'RE IN THE, UH, REDUCED PROPERTIES OR NEAR THEM OR NOT AT ALL. 
          SO, UM, MR. TRAIN, IF YOU COULD HELP ME, I JUST WANT TO DO A QUICK WALKTHROUGH ON HOW TO LOCATE THIS MAP. 
          YOU FIRST WILL WANNA GO TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE, AND AT THE TOP WE HAVE, UM, OUR, UM, ON OUR, UM, MENU BAR. 
          IF YOU HOVER OVER BUSINESS, THERE'S A MAP THAT SAYS, UM, HAMPTON ROAD, CORRIDOR PLAN MAP. 
          WHEN WE CLICK THERE, IT'S GONNA BRING YOU TO A PAGE, UM, THAT'S DEDICATED TO THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR PLAN. 
          THERE'S THREE LINKS ON HERE TO, TO GIVE YOU MORE DETAILED INFORMATION, BUT TONIGHT WE'RE GONNA FOCUS ON THE SECOND TAB, WHICH IS THE INTERACTIVE MAP. 
          SO ON THIS MAP, UM, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT IN YOUR ADDRESS AND, AND FIND INFORMATION. 
          WE, THE CITY DOES HAVE ANOTHER INTERACTIVE MAP WHERE YOU CAN FIND YOUR, UM, ADDRESS IN YOUR ZONING. 
          BUT ON HERE, IF YOU CLICK ON ANY OF THE COLORED, UM, PARCELS, WHICH IN WHICH ARE INSIDE THE REDUCED HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR MAP, UM, ONCE YOU CLICK ON THE PARCEL, A TAB IS GOING TO COME UP, IT'S GOING TO SHOW YOU THE, UM, ADDRESS OF THAT PARCEL. 
          YOU'RE GONNA GET YOUR CURRENT ZONING AND THE PROPOSED ZONING. 
          UM, UNDER THE PROPOSED ZONING, YOU WILL SEE A DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF, UM, THE FIVE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT ARE PROPOSED WITH THE, UH, HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE, REDUCE MAP, FOCUS MAP. 
          OKAY, MR. ATTORNEY, THAT IS ALL FOR MY PRESENTATION. 
          UM, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF I CAN. 
          I'LL REFER YOU TO MR. MOORE. 
          MR. BREW, DO YOU HAVE SOME INSIGHTS? NO, I THINK THE NEXT PART, UH, I, I THINK, UH, YOU KNOW, WITH THE INVITATION WE'VE SENT IT TO, UH, OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR, MATT, WHO'S HERE, HE CAN MAYBE GO INTO SOME MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY, BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S THE OVERVIEW. 
          WE JUST WANT YOU TO BE AS READY AS YOU CAN ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, UH, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE, UH, CITY'S, UM, WEBSITE WHERE IT SAYS AGENDA. 
          YOU CAN PULL UP THIS MEETING, SEE THIS REPORT, CLICK ON THE ATTACHMENTS, BUT WE HAVE GIVEN YOU WHAT WE THINK IS ALL THE INFORMATION, BUT WE ARE CERTAINLY READY TO ADDRESS ANY MORE QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND, UH, MR. CARLSON, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU COME UP IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT FIRST QUESTIONS FOR EITHER MR. BREWER OR MS. JORDAN WILLIAMS. UH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE SLIDE FIVE AGAIN IF, IF WE CAN. 
          IS THIS INFORMATION IN THIS PACKET? NO, THAT'S THE COMP PLAN THAT YOU PULLED UP. 
          OKAY. 
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IT'S GONNA BE IN THE HAMPTON ROAD. 
          IT IN OUR ATTACHMENTS. 
          YEAH. 
          ONE OF THE ATTACHMENT IS THE FULL HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          IT LOOKS, UH, OKAY. 
          THIS LANGUAGE IS IN THAT CHARACTER CODE THOUGH, RIGHT? I, I WANNA KNOW. 
          WELL, YOU FOUND, YOU DISCOVERED NOT THAT PARTICULAR SHEET. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THE, THIS INFORMATION IS WHAT YOU DISCOVERED THAT THERE WAS A VARIANCE. 
          WHERE CAN WE FIND THAT, THAT LANGUAGE IN THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE? UM, AGAIN, YOU CAN ACCESS THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE BY PULLING UP THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          UH, TAKE YOUR TAB UP TO WHERE IT SAYS DEPARTMENTS. 
          IT'LL PULL UP ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ON, UH, GO DOWN TO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, PUT YOUR MOUSE ARROW ON PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          WHEN THAT HOMEPAGE COMES UP IN THE VERY CENTER, THERE'S A LINK, TWO LINKS THERE. 
          ONE IS THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THE OTHER ONE IS SUBDIVISION REGULATION ORDINANCE. 
          SO THIS IS SUBDIVISION REGULATION ORDINANCE. 
          UM, CLICK THAT AND THEN YOU'LL, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW IT. 
          UM, THE 60% THAT ESTABLISHES IS IN SECTION SEVEN, SUBSECTION 7.68 THAT YOU SEE THERE. 
          AND THEN AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, THAT NEXT PARAGRAPH IS CHAPTER NINE, SUBSECTION 9.68. 
          THAT'S THE SECTION DEALING WITH ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. 
          SO THESE TWO ARE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD, VICE CHAIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, CAN YOU GO TO SLIDE NUMBER 14 AND JUST TWO QUESTIONS ON THIS SLIDE. 
          I'M NOT SURE I KNOW WHAT THIRD PLACE IS. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DID YOU EXPLAIN THAT? AND I APOLOGIZE, THIS IS BEST'S PRESENTATION, SO OH, YOU CAN, SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT THE ANSWER HERE FROM, UH, MR. CARSON. 
          THAT'S RIGHT UNDER IT AS WELL THOUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          THERE PLACE. 
          AND, AND IT LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE HAS BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE WE, THERE WAS SOMETHING ON OUR, UH, ATTACHMENTS THAT TALKED ABOUT THE NEEDED POPULATION BROKE. 
          WAS THAT REMOVED AS WELL? I'M SORRY, SIR. 
          THE NEEDED, THE NEEDED, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS ASBESTOS PRESENTATIONS AND, AND I'M SORRY WE CAN'T ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT MATT MAY BE ABLE TO HELP YOU. 
          YEAH, JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT THAT THIRD PLACE MEANT. 
          I HADN'T HEARD THAT TERMINOLOGY. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SLIDE FOUR, MR. I WANTED, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND, UM, I HEARD SOME LANGUAGE THAT, UH, MR. JORDAN WILLIAMS USED, AND I WANT TO, I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR. 
          THE ORIGINAL ZONING AREA REMAINS THE SAME. 
          IT'S GONNA REMAIN THE SAME ZONING, BUT THE DECISION IS JUST TO REDUCE THE DEVELOPMENT TO THIS AREA AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. 
          CORRECT. 
          IN, IN, UH, 2022, UH, AT THE SAME TIME THE CONTRACTOR WAS ESTABLISHED, THE CONTRACTOR WAS, UH, AWARDED FOR THE, UH, FIRM TO BEGIN THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODES REGULATIONS. 
          IT MIRRORED A TUS AND, AND MATT WILL HELP ME ON THAT, A TAX INCLEMENT REIN REINVESTMENT ZONE. 
          OKAY. 
          TO ALSO BE ESTABLISHED. 
          SO THIS HAMPTON ROAD CHA ZONE AREA MIRRORS THAT BOUNDARY FOR THE TERRACE. 
          AGAIN, A TERRACE, UH, IS A DISTRICT THAT IS AN AREA THAT IN FROM 2022 SHOULD, AND WE'RE ASSUMING THEY WILL PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE ANY TAX DIFFERENT THAT OCCURS FROM WHAT THE PROPERTY TAXES WERE IN 2022. 
          THOSE FUNDS WOULD THEN GO, UM, TO A, A, A RESERVE FUND FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. 
          COMMISSIONERS, I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, YOU SAID THE NEW FORMAT MIRRORS TURS? NO, THE OLD ONE IS THIS PERIMETER BORDER HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT BORDER IS STILL THE VISION AND THAT MIRRORS THE TURS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT BORDER STILL EXIST. 
          DOES WILL THE CITY COUNCIL ORDER INITIATE THE NEXT PHASE? WE DON'T KNOW, BUT THE ORDER HAS BEEN, AND, AND THE CONSENSUS WAS LET'S REDUCE THAT. 
          IF THE OBJECTIVE IS TRIED TO GET THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE OF HAMPTON ROAD AND JUST THESE SMALL PORTIONS OF PLEASANT RUN AND BELTLINE, LET'S LET THAT BE OUR FIRST INITIAL TARGET. 
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HOWEVER, THE ENTIRE VISION IS STILL GOING TO REMAIN. 
          SO PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS WILL STILL KNOW WHAT THAT BIGGER VISION AND DIRECTION THAT THE CITY DESIRES TO GO TO WILL BE. 
          AND AS I'M LISTENING TO YOU AND JUST COMMISSIONER BERRY HAD MENTIONED BEFORE, AND THEN SHE BROUGHT UP THIS E EVENING, THIS, THIS VISION WAS 20 YEARS AGO JUST ABOUT. 
          SO BY THE TIME WE GET THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS FIRST PHASE, WE DON'T KNOW, IT COULD BE 20 MORE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD BEFORE THEY WOULD EVEN LOOK PERHAPS. 
          IS THAT, I'M JUST, I WOULD DEFINITELY YIELD TO MR. CARSON ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW IN 2022 HE WAS ALREADY IN COMMUNICATION WITH A PARTICULAR BUSINESS THAT WAS READY TO COME IN, BUT THIS DIDN'T EXIST. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          BEFORE YOU BEGIN, UM, I'M GONNA GO BACK TO VICE CHAIR'S. 
          UH, QUESTION AND, AND MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT IN THE, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT IS, IT'S PROJECTING THAT OUR POPULATION WOULD BE AROUND 87,000 PEOPLE IN 20, UH, 20, UH, 45, 45. 
          AND THEN IN, AND IN LIKE FIVE YEARS, 2030, IT'S SAYING IT'S GONNA BE LIKE 72,000. 
          SO THERE'S GONNA BE AN THERE WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A HOUSING SHORTAGE. 
          BUT THIS TALK ABOUT HOW THE, HOW THIS DEVELOPMENT FITS INTO THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSING NEEDS THAT WE WILL HAVE IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU COULD, UH, FOR US. 
          SURE. 
          AND, AND LET'S BE CLEAR, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, AND THE WORK THAT WAS DONE THAT UNDERLAID THOSE. 
          BY THE WAY, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. 
          SOME OF YOU I'VE MET, SOME OF YOU, I HAVE NOT. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU, UH, AS WE, AS WE, UH, VENTURE DOWN THE ROAD TOGETHER. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, TO YOUR QUESTION, THE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, AND THE HOUSING SECTION IN PARTICULAR OF THAT PORTION OF THAT PLAN IDENTIFIED A NUMBER OF AREAS WHERE THE ANTICIPATED GROWTH OF THE CITY AND AND OUR CURRENT HOUSING STOCK ARE MISALIGNED. 
          THAT PRESENTS US WITH A, WITH A, AND THIS IS, THIS IS NOT UNIQUE TO DESOTO. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS A PROBLEM THAT MOST METROPOLITAN AREAS ARE FACING. 
          AND AND WHEN I SAY THEY'RE MISALIGNED, SOME OF IT IS THERE JUST SIMPLY ISN'T ENOUGH HOUSING STOCK TO GO FROM 57,000 TO 87,000 OVER THE NEXT HOWEVER MANY 20 SOME ODD YEARS. 
          UM, OR EVEN TO, TO THE IMMEDIATE NEED IN A, IN A DECADE. 
          UM, THE, THE HOUSING STOCK IS NOT THERE. 
          THAT'S PART OF THE SHORTAGE. 
          THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS THE HOUSING STOCK THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE'VE BEEN BUILDING FOR 75 YEARS. 
          WE ARE PRINCIPALLY A RETAIL AND, AND RESIDENTIAL AREA. 
          UH, A SUBURB OF DALLAS, IF YOU WILL, DOES NOT RESPOND WELL IN TERMS OF CREATING OPPORTUNITIES FOR SMALLER HOMES, SMALLER PRICING, UM, INCREASED, UH, VARIANCE OF TYPES OF HOUSING. 
          UM, IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE KNOW THAT AS THE RINGS OF DALLAS CONTINUE TO GROW, WE, WE ARE A VERY, VERY ATTRACTIVE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE OF ALL AGES AND OF ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF SKILL SETS. 
          OUR HOUSING HASN'T RESPONDED VERY WELL TO THAT. 
          A LOT OF THAT IS BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, OUR ZONING IN THE, IN THE PAST HAS DRIVEN TOWARDS LARGE LOT ZONING AND, AND WHAT WE THINK OF AS SMALLER LOTS IN MOST COMMUNITIES WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED QUITE LARGE. 
          UM, OUR SMALLER, LOTS OF 10,000 FEET OR OF 8,000 FEET, EVEN IF YOU WERE TO PUT THAT IN, IN, IN TERMS OF MIDLOTHIAN OR OR, OR EVEN IN O VILLA, THEY'RE BUILDING ON, ON LOTS SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER THAN THAT 6,000 AND 5,000 SQUARE FEET. 
          SO, AND, AND THE REASON IS SIMPLE, PEOPLE STILL WANT TO OWN A HOME, BUT THE PRICE OF LAND PREVENTS THAT. 
          THE PRICE OF LAND ALONE, NEVERMIND INCREASING LABOR COST, INCREASING MATERIAL COST, BUT WHEN YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY, THE UNDERLYING VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS MAYBE TWICE, MAYBE 80%, 70% THAT GET GETS BUILT INTO THE COST OF THAT HOME. 
          THAT MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT. 
          SO THAT'S A, THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S ONGOING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO ADDRESS. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE CITY MANAGER HAS ASKED US ALL TO BEGIN AS DEPARTMENT HEADS IS TO START THINKING THROUGH A HOUSING STRATEGY. 
          WHAT ARE THOSE NEEDS? HOW CAN WE MEET THOSE NEEDS? AND THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT STARTS TO RETHINK THE IDEA OF DENSITY IN DE SOTO. 
          IN THE PAST, DENSITY HAS BEEN, UM, A WORD THAT PEOPLE KIND OF CRINGE BECAUSE IN THEIR MINDS, DENSITY AND MULTIFAMILY ARE THE SAME THING. 
          AND MULTIFAMILY IN OUR CITY MIGHT MEAN 
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APARTMENTS, BUT IT ALSO MEANS TOWN HOMES. 
          IT ALSO MEANS DUPLEXES. 
          THAT'S ALSO MULTIFAMILY HOUSING. 
          AND SO WHAT WE ARE, WE ARE BLOCKING OUT A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE HOUSING MARKET THAT, THAT ACTUALLY WE, WE BELIEVE, UM, AND THE STUDIES HAVE SHOWN US THAT THERE'S A A, A NEED FOR AND A DESIRE FOR A PRODUCT MIX THAT LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          EVEN EVEN SOME OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M GONNA POINT SPECIFICALLY TO, TO COUNCILWOMAN MARKS SAYS, I WANNA RETIRE HERE. 
          I WANNA LIVE HERE. 
          I WANT TO AGE HERE, BUT I DON'T WANNA LIVE IN THE LARGE HOUSE ON THE LARGE LOT THAT I HAVE. 
          WHAT ARE MY OPTIONS? THE ANSWER IS THEY'RE NOT GREAT. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK FOR WAYS IN VERY SPECIFIC AREAS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE MAP, UM, AVAILABLE TO US, BUT IN VERY SPECIFIC AREAS TO LOOK FOR AND GET COUNCIL'S APPROVAL AND Y'ALL'S APPROVAL AND REALLY OUR COMMUNITY'S APPROVAL TO THINK ABOUT DIFFERENT KINDS OF HOUSING IN VERY SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDORS. 
          PART OF THAT, YOU'LL SEE IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAND USE MAP, YOU'LL KINDA SEE A DARK PINK THAT RUNS ALONG THOSE MAJOR CORRIDORS. 
          AND AT MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, THAT'S WHERE WE HOPE TO, TO CREATE GREATER DENSITY, GREATER IMPACT, GREATER, UH, CONCENTRATION OF ACTIVITY AND GREATER AND GREATER HOUSING DENSITY IN THOSE AREAS. 
          NOT SURE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT THIS, THIS IS ONE STEP OF MANY IN CREATING AN ALTERNATIVE HOUSING PRODUCT FOR DESOTO. 
          I'M JUST GONNA ASK ONE MORE QUESTION ALONG THAT LINE BEFORE THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS CAN COME IN. 
          UM, IF, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT REFERRED TO, UH, THE AGES, THE DEMOGRAPHICS AS FAR AS THE AGING, AND THEY, THE DATA THAT THEY HAD WAS 2010 AND 2019. 
          BUT IN THAT DATA, IT SHOWED THAT THE, THE AGE GROUP THAT WAS GROWING HERE WAS THE, THAT WAS THE ONLY AGE GROUP THAT GREW WAS THE 65 PLUS ALL OF THE OTHER AGE GROUPS, 45 TO 64, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL OF THE BRACKETS. 
          THEY WERE ALL DECREASING, BUT THE 45 TO AND UP, THEY WERE LIKE 42% OF THE POPULATION. 
          THE 22, I THINK LIKE 44 OR SOMETHING WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. 
          WHEN I LOOK AT THESE PARTICULAR AREAS, AND WHEN I GO INTO DALLAS TO THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS, WHAT I TYPICALLY SEE ARE MORE YOUNG, YOUNGER, URBAN, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, YOUNGER URBAN PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE THAT, THAT ARE REALLY THERE. 
          AND THE OLDER PEOPLE MY AGE AND UP SEEM TO BE FEWER. 
          HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW THE HAMPTON, THIS HAMPTON ROAD PROJECT FITS INTO THE FACT THAT OLDER PEOPLE ARE DRAWN TO OUR CITY AND WANT TO LIVE HERE. 
          BESIDE THE FACT THAT NOW YOU'RE LIVING INSIDE OF, UM, A SMALLER SPACE. 
          UM, ARE THERE THINGS WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR THAT ARE GOING TO, LIKE, WOULD IT HAVE MEDICAL FACILITY OR A CLINICS COULD BE THERE WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO FAR, THEY CAN WALK AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS? IS, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT THAT DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY ALSO DESIGNED FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GONNA BE 44 AND OVER OR 65 AND PLUSES, THAT'S THE GROWING POPULATION? THE ANSWER TO THAT IS ABSOLUTELY YES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THROUGHOUT THAT CORRIDOR, REMEMBER THERE'S, ON THE, EVEN THE, THE REDUCED, UM, THE REDUCED REZONING THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO YOU TONIGHT STILL HAS, I'LL PROBABLY GET THE NUMBER WRONG. 
          SO WHEN NORA Y YELL AT ME, IF I'M WRONG, ABOUT A HUNDRED AND FIFTY, A HUNDRED AND FORTY SEVEN, I THINK PARCELS THAT MAKE THAT UP. 
          AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A GREAT VARIETY THAT THOSE, THOSE PARCELS ARE NOT ALL THE SAME. 
          THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME SIZE, THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME DEPTH. 
          UM, THEY'RE NOT IN TERMS OF WHAT'S ADJACENT TO THEM. 
          ALL OF THOSE, THOSE FACTORS HAVE TO GET TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT. 
          WHEN YOU START TO THINK ABOUT CHANGING THE CHARACTER OF AN AREA, AND, AND TO YOUR POINT EARLIER, THAT CHARACTER DOESN'T CHANGE IN A YEAR. 
          IT DOESN'T CHANGE IN TWO. 
          IT MIGHT START TO LOOK SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT IN FIVE IF YOU HAVE SOME GREAT SEMINAL PROJECTS THAT START TO LEAD THE MARKET. 
          BUT, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME AND, AND, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS, OR EVEN 20 YEARS FROM NOW, AND THIS IS THE BEAUTY, IF YOU THINK ABOUT EVERY DOWNTOWN THAT YOU GO TO, THERE ARE, THERE ARE STILL OLD BUILDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN RENOVATED THAT HAVE MUCH THE SAME CHARACTER THEY MAY HAVE HAD A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. 
          AND THEY'RE RIGHT ALONGSIDE OTHER BUILDINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED RADICALLY IN TERMS OF THEIR, THEIR PRODUCT MIX, THEIR DENSITY OF USE, THEIR IMPACT, UM, THEIR, THEIR ECONOMIC, UH, RETURN. 
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THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE TO HAPPEN ALONG THIS CORRIDOR. 
          A MILE OF REDEVELOPMENT IS A LOT. 
          THERE'S NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT. 
          I MEAN, IF YOU THINK ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE, THE MOST VIBRANT AREAS IN BIG CITIES THAT YOU THINK OF. 
          I CAME FROM THE DENVER REGION. 
          I LIVED THERE FOR A YEAR AND THE 16TH STREET MALL KNOWN ALL AROUND, IF YOU'RE GONNA GO TO DENVER AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE, THE, THE HAPPENING PLACE DOWNTOWN, YOU GO TO THE 16TH STREET MALL. 
          IT'S THE AREA OF REDEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S A QUARTER MILE LONG. 
          IT'S A QUARTER MILE. 
          OURS IS FOUR TIMES OUT, ALMOST FIVE. 
          THERE'S A LOT TO BE DONE IN THIS. 
          AND AS A RESULT, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LARGE MIX OF KINDS OF PRODUCTS. 
          AND IF I, IF I CAN JUST, I THINK IS A POINT OF WORK. 
          SO IN THIS REDUCED MAP, IF YOU LOOK AT, THIS IS THE SOUTHWEST OR UH, SOUTHWEST CORNER OF, OF BELTLINE AND HAMPTON ROAD, THAT LARGELY PURPLE AREA THERE, WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS, THE CITY OWNS THAT PROPERTY. 
          THE PIECE THAT'S SLIGHTLY SOUTH OF THAT, THAT'S SORT OF THAT MUSTARD COLOR IS A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN IN AND OUT OF THE MARKET QUITE A BIT OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. 
          THOSE TWO COMBINED ARE 45 ACRES OF POTENTIAL REDEVELOPMENT. 
          AND INSIDE OF THAT, WITH JUST OUR PRELIMINARY DESIGN AREAS, THERE'S AN, THERE'S AN ENTIRE, UM, SECTION OF THAT 24 ACRE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT LOOKS LIKE SENIOR FLATS FOR SALE FOR RENT. 
          THEY'RE LIKELY SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TWO AND 25, 2020 500 SQUARE FEET. 
          THE DESIGN OF THOSE WOULD HAVE INDIVIDUAL STORAGE UNITS IN A SECURED AREA IN A, IN A, A GATED GARAGE AREA. 
          SO PARKING UNDERNEATH, SECURED STEP STORAGE AREAS, BECAUSE WHETHER, WHETHER WE LIKEN OR NOT, WHEN WE START TO GET GRAY HAIR, APPARENTLY WE START TO ACCUMULATE STUFF. 
          AND EVEN IF WE WANNA MOVE OUT OF OUR HOUSE, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF STUFF THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE WITH US THAT WE PROBABLY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT IN OUR FLAT. 
          BUT THESE LOOK LIKE THE KINDS OF FLATS THAT YOU'D SEE IN PALM SPRINGS, THE KIND OF FLATS THAT YOU'D SEE ON ANY, ANY MAJOR GOLF COURSE, UM, WHERE PEOPLE ARE LIVING ON THE GOLF COURSE AND ENJOYING THAT SORT OF OUTDOOR AND THE ENVIRONMENT, GREEN SPACE, THE BIOSPHERE THAT'S PART OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S VERY MUCH A DIFFERENT, UM, LOOK THAN SOME OF THE PICTURES THAT YOU SAW THAT ARE THESE MORE DENSER, UH, DEVELOPMENTS ON THESE SMALLER AREAS THAT, THAT WE HAVE. 
          THAT'S JUST ONE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU MIGHT SEE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. 
          WELL, ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT, YOU MAY SEE A, A, A SIX OR SEVEN STORY BUILDING, A FIVE STORY BUILDING, A MAYBE A SIX STORY THAT HAS ROOFTOP ACTIVATION THERE. 
          AND IT MAY HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT KIND OF ACTIVITY AND A DIFFERENT VIBE, IF YOU WILL, IN TERMS OF HOW THAT ONE WANTS TO LOOK. 
          THEY'RE PROBABLY BOTH GONNA PRODUCE ABOUT 250 DWELLING UNITS, BUT VERY DIFFERENT FROM ONE ANOTHER. 
          AND THEY'RE LITERALLY EXISTING ACROSS THE STREET FROM ONE ANOTHER. 
          IF YOU START TO HEAD UP THAT, THAT ALLEY OF, OF DEVELOPMENT, IF YOU WILL, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A NUMBER OF SMALL LOTS ALL UP AND DOWN HERE. 
          THEY'RE VERY, VERY SHALLOW. 
          THEY'RE VERY, VERY NARROW. 
          IT MAKES 'EM TOUGH TO REDEVELOP INTO MUCH OF ANYTHING. 
          LIKELY WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THE EXISTING USES FOR THOSE WILL PROBABLY STAY FOR SOME TIME UNTIL A, AN OWNER GETS TIRED OF, OF AND, AND MAYBE WANTS TO MOVE OR RETIRE AND SELL THEIR PROPERTY. 
          AND YOU MAY SEE, START TO SEE TWO OR THREE OF THOSE COMBINED TO CREATE A SMALL BUILDING THAT MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE STORIES WITH RETAIL ON, ON THE FRONT AND MAYBE SOME OFFICES UP ABOVE THAT. 
          SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE PRODUCTS WE SEE OVER ALONG 67 OVER IN CEDAR HILL. 
          YOU GET UP TO THE CENTER AREA UP HERE AND YOU SEE WHERE HAMPTON ROAD BAPTIST IS HERE. 
          YOU SEE PIECES OF PROPERTY HERE THAT ARE PURPLE THAT THE CITY OWNS, UM, WHERE WE'VE ENVISIONED A MEDICAL CENTER. 
          THOSE ARE PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE BIG ENOUGH, SIX TO 10 ACRES, AND YOU COULD MAYBE ASSEMBLE SOME OTHER PIECES WITH THEM THAT MIGHT GIVE YOU BIG ENOUGH AREAS WHERE WE, WE ENVISION IN ON, ON THOSE AND OR ON SOME OF THOSE AREAS, PERHAPS A CONTINUUM OF CARE, A SENIOR LIVING CENTER THAT HAS CONTINUUM OF CARE FROM INDIVIDUAL UNITS PRIVATELY OWNED. 
          THEY MIGHT BE IN, THEY MIGHT BE DETACHED, THEY MIGHT BE ATTACHED. 
          BUT AS YOU START TO REQUIRE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF CARE, WE HAVE SKILLED NURSING AND WE HAVE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF, OF CARE TO THE POINT WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S LIVING OR THERE TO SERVE YOU IN MORE OF A WHAT WOULD FEEL LIKE A, A KIND OF A HOSPITAL SETTING, BUT IT STILL FEELS LIKE YOUR HOME. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY THE KIND OF PRODUCTS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IN THIS VERY CENTER. 
          BUT IF YOU JUST GO JUST ACROSS THE BRIDGE, GO ACROSS HEATH CREEK, AND YOU GET TO A WHOLE BUNCH MORE LITTLE PIECES HERE, ALL THE WAY UP, HERE'S THAT AREA THAT WE TALK ABOUT BEING A VILLAGE GREEN, EIGHT ACRES OF PROGRAMMED GREEN SPACE. 
          THINK ABOUT DOING YOGA ON THE LAWN. 
          I'M NOT SURE I'M GONNA GET OUT THERE AND DO YOGA ON THE LAWN, BUT MY WIFE MIGHT. 
          UM, NOBODY WANTS TO WATCH ME DO THAT, TRUST ME. 
          AND, AND SO WE HAVE THESE, THESE KIND OF MORE TRADITIONAL DOWNTOWN MAIN STREET FIELD KIND OF DEVELOPMENTS RIGHT UP UNTIL YOU GET UP HERE TO DALTON. 
          AND HERE YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT LOCKS, YOU'VE GOT BIG LOTS. 
          YOU'VE GOT THIS VERY LARGE SEA OF PARKING OUT IN FRONT OF A VERY NARROW BUILDING FOOTPRINT. 
          SO HOW DO WE CHANGE THAT TO FEEL 
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MORE WELCOMING? AND THE ANSWER IS, YOU START TO BREAK THAT UP AND DEVELOP, DEVELOP IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN IT'S ENVISIONED TODAY. 
          LIKELY THERE'LL BE A SET OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT SORT OF COME OUT TOWARDS THE STREET, AND THERE'S A SECONDARY STREET BEHIND THOSE BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDINGS AND NEW. 
          I HOPE WHAT THAT TELLS YOU IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A MILE OF EVERYTHING LOOKING THE SAME AND EVERYTHING THE SAME HEIGHT. 
          IT'S GONNA GO UP, IT'S GONNA GO DOWN. 
          IT'S GONNA BA BE BASED ON WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD. 
          WHEN YOU REDEVELOP, WHAT, WHAT KIND OF RETURN DO YOU EXPECT? YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA SPEND SOME MONEY IF YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT. 
          WHAT KIND OF RETURN, WHAT'S YOUR TIMEFRAME? WHAT'S YOUR THRESHOLD? THOSE ARE ALL GOING TO BE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GONNA DRIVE THAT REDEVELOPMENT A PARCEL OF A TIME FOR A VERY LONG PERIOD OF TIME. 
          SO THIS STARTS TO OPEN UP A LOT TO YOUR INITIAL QUESTION. 
          A LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR HOUSING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE. 
          YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT ANTOINE, WHO'S SITTING HERE, YOU KNOW, AT, AT, AT 33 YEARS OLD. 
          HE'S THE SAME AGE AS MY SON. 
          AND, AND MY SON LOOKS AT OUR AREA AND HE GOES, I, I CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE THERE. 
          I'D LOVE TO LIVE THERE, BUT I CAN'T AFFORD TO. 
          HE HAS A VERY GOOD JOB. 
          HE'S AN ADVERTISING EXECUTIVE, BUT THE COST OF OUR HOUSING IS PROHIBITIVE. 
          AND THE ONLY CHOICE YOU REALLY HAVE ONCE YOU START LOOKING AT THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES IS YOU LOOK AT A VERY FEW APARTMENT BUILDINGS THAT ARE OLD, NOT GOOD LOOKING. 
          THERE ARE REALLY ONLY TWO THAT ARE VERY, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE, THAT ARE REASONABLE LOOKING APARTMENTS LEFT TODAY. 
          NOT TO TAKE AWAY FROM ANYBODY'S INDIVIDUAL PIECES OF PROPERTY, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE DATED. 
          THEY NEED SOME UPDATING. 
          UM, THEY NEED TO CHANGE. 
          AND EVEN THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE. 
          I KNOW WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, I LIVED ACROSS THE STREET AND THOSE PROPERTIES WERE DEVELOPED IN 2014, SO THEY'RE ONLY 10 YEARS OLD. 
          THEY'RE OR MORE MODERN PRODUCT, 675 FEET. 
          75 SQUARE FEET. 
          AND I WAS PAYING ALMOST $1,400 A MONTH. 
          THAT'S A PROHIBITIVE COST OF HOUSING FOR MOST PEOPLE. 
          IF THEY HAVE A SINGLE INCOME SOMEWHERE IN THE MID, IN THE MID FIVE FIGURES, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO BE SPENDING IN FOR YOUR HOUSING. 
          YOU CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT HAVING A HOUSE. 
          SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THOSE GROWTH NUMBERS, WE KNOW THAT WHAT WE HAVE TODAY SIMPLY CAN'T ALLOW FOR THAT GROWTH IN THAT 25 TO 35 CATEGORY FOR PEOPLE TO START TO FIND A HOME. 
          WE'D LOVE TO SEE TOWN HOMES, WE'D LOVE TO SEE DETACHED, UH, UH, MULTI OR MULTI-STORY. 
          THOSE ARE ALL PRODUCTS THAT WE THINK WOULD, THERE WOULD HAVE, UH, A LOT OF TRACTION TO SOTO IF WE CAN FIND DEVELOPERS WHO ARE WILLING TO DO THAT AT A REASONABLE COST. 
          UM, AND WE THINK THAT, THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW DEEP THAT MARKET IS. 
          WE KNOW THE MARKET'S THERE. 
          WE HEAR THAT IN STUDIES. 
          WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS HOW BROAD AND HOW DEEP THAT MARKET IS. 
          IS IT A HUNDRED UNITS OR IS IT 500 UNITS? IF I WAS THE DEVELOPER AND I'VE BEEN A DEVELOPER FOR A VERY LONG TIME, I'D WANNA BE THE FIRST HUNDRED OR 200. 
          I WOULDN'T WANNA BE THE LAST 400 OR THE FIFTH HUNDRED, THE 500TH UNIT. 
          'CAUSE IT TAKES LONGER TO SELL. 
          THEY'RE NOT MAYBE AS POPULAR. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO START LOOKING FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF PRODUCTS THAT LOOK VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE USED TO COMMISSION. 
          MR. LAROY, UM, TO YOUR POINT OF, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPERS, ARE THERE ANY INCENTIVES THAT WERE, THAT ARE ABLE TO BE GIVEN OR ARE BEING OFFERED TO, UM, DEVELOPERS TO OFFER THOSE TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR GREEN SPACES OR, YOU KNOW, SENIOR, YOU KNOW, FRIENDLY SPACES? SO FROM THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION ITSELF, REMEMBER WE'RE GUIDED BY A SET OF STATUTES THAT CREATED THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIONS IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. 
          AND THEY'RE VERY RESTRICTIVE IN TERMS OF THE KINDS OF INVESTMENTS THAT WE CAN MAKE. 
          UM, AND, AND WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO INVEST IN RESIDENTIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT AS THE DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AS THE CITY, AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FUNCTIONING AREA. 
          THE THE COUNCIL IS ENTITLED UNDER CHAPTER THREE 80 OF THE, OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE TO BE ABLE TO LEND AND CREATE INCENTIVES IN FOR VIRTUALLY ANYTHING THAT THEY CHOOSE TO. 
          THE ONLY REAL CHECK AND BALANCE, IF YOU WILL, IS THE PUBLIC WHO ELECTED THEM. 
          SO IF, IF WE, AS THE COMMISSIONERS IN OUR COMM IN OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, IF WE AS THE CITIZENS, AND I COUNT MYSELF AMONGST THOSE, I LIVE DOWN OFF OF SPINNER ROAD. 
          IF WE SAY THAT'S THE PRODUCT WE WANT AND WE TELL OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT WE WANT TO START ENTERTAINING THOSE KINDS OF PRODUCTS AND FINDING DEVELOPERS AND MAKING THEM OFFERS TO HELP US WITH THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          COMMISSIONER, THERE'S, THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE THOSE KINDS OF INCENTIVES. 
          THEY JUST DON'T EXIST TODAY. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD THE NEED, NOR HAVE WE HAD THE POLITICAL WILL TO ACTUALLY TO MAKE THOSE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENTS HAPPEN. 
          DO YOU WANNA LEARN ABOUT THIRD PLACE, ? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU WANT TO? SO, THIRD PLACE IS, IS A TERM COINED BY, UM, PLANNERS AND NOT VERY MANY OTHER PEOPLE USE IT. 
          UM, BUT THE THIRD PLACE BEING THE FIRST PLACE BEING YOUR HOME, THE SECOND PLACE BEING YOUR OFFICE, AND THE THIRD PLACE BEING THAT PLACE YOU'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO GO AND 
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ENJOY AND, AND KIND OF IT'S YOURS. 
          UM, IT MIGHT BE THE STARBUCKS, IT MIGHT BE THAT, THAT, UH, GREEN SPACE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT JUST BE UNDER A SHADE TREE SOMEPLACE, BUT PEOPLE FIND THAT THEY DON'T WANNA BE IN THEIR OFFICE AS MUCH ANYMORE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S CHANGED EVEN MORE SINCE COVID HOME MAY NOT BE NECESSARILY THE PLACE YOU WANT TO TRY TO GO AND KIND OF CLEAR YOUR HEAD AND THINK. 
          SO YOU FIND THIS THIRD PLACE. 
          WE THINK THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THAT AREA. 
          ONCE YOU KNOW, THE, THE OVERRIDING, UM, GOALS OF THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR, UM, AND THIS IS TO MR. MR. BREWER'S POINT KIND OF GOT LOST, THE BIGGER THIS AREA GOT, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD REASONS THAT THIS EXPANDED AS MUCH AS IT DID AND EXPANDED INTO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS BECAUSE THE GOAL WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PREVENTED GENTRIFICATION. 
          WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO AGE IN PLACE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. 
          ADUS WERE ONE WAY TO GET TO THAT. 
          THE ABILITY TO TAKE A 4,000 SQUARE FOOT HOME THAT SITS ON AN ACRE LOT AND SUBDIVIDED INTO TWO, PUT A SEPARATE CENTER ENTRANCE AND ANOTHER GARAGE THERE, AND NOW I CAN RENT OUT ONE SIDE OF IT FOR RETIREMENT INCOME. 
          WHY I'M STILL LIVING IN THE OTHER SIDE. 
          THOSE ARE NOT THINGS THAT ARE EASY TO DO TODAY IN DESOTO. 
          THIS CHARACTER CODE, THIS FORM-BASED CODE THAT WE ENACTED LAST FEBRUARY, ALLOWED FOR THOSE KINDS OF OPTIONS FOR OUR RESIDENTIAL DWELLERS IN THESE SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          SO IT SOFTENED, IF YOU WILL, THE COMMERCIAL IMPACTS. 
          NOW, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WAS SOLD INTO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SCARY THINGS THAT WERE GONNA HAPPEN AND WE'RE GONNA BUY HOUSES AND TEAR DOWN YOUR HOME AND NOT ALLOW YOU ACCESS TO HAMPTON ROAD. 
          COME ON. 
          SERIOUSLY, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          THAT'S SIMPLY NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          NO, NO POLITICIAN WOULD EVER VOTE THAT INTO PLACE, NOR DID YOUR COUNCIL. 
          WHAT WE DID HAVE WAS A SET OF CHANGING RULES THAT ALLOWED FOR A GREAT DEAL OF VARIATION. 
          SO IF I GO BACK TO MR. BREWER'S COMMENTS ABOUT THE OVERALL SIZE OF THIS AREA AND HOW IT HAS NOT SHRUNK, THE FORM-BASED CODE THAT COUNCIL ENACTED LAST FEBRUARY AFFECTS ALL OF THESE PARCELS. 
          THAT FORM-BASED CODE IS THERE, COUNCIL ADOPTED IT. 
          THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO REZONE AS THE, AS THE THE MAGIC WAND OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF THESE PARCELS? WHAT GETS REZONED THIS MONTH OR THIS COMING MONTH. 
          BUT IF I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND I WANT TO PUT AN A DU, I CAN COME TO THE CITY AND VOLUNTARILY ASK TO BE REZONED INTO THAT FORM-BASED CODE THAT ALLOWS ME THOSE OPTIONS. 
          THAT'S MY OPTION STILL. 
          AND IT'S STILL YOUR OPTION AS A LANDOWNER AFTER THIS VOTE. 
          YOU HAVE THAT ABILITY BECAUSE COUNSEL PUT THAT IN PLACE WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE FORM-BASED CODE. 
          ALL WE'RE DOING IS SAYING, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE AND REZONE YOUR PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING YOU NOW HAVE TO DO ON YOUR OWN. 
          THERE ARE ACTUALLY SOME BENEFITS TO OUR, OUR CITIZENS OF REZONING IN, IN THE WAY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FEES ARE, YOU COULD BETTER ADDRESS THAT. 
          BUT IF I CAME IN AND SAID, I WANNA REZONE MY PROPERTY, THERE'S COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          NOW I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT PROBABLY THEY'D COME DOWN TO ME AND SAY, CAN YOU HELP ME? AND WE'D FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET SOME OF THOSE OR ALL OF THOSE REMOVED, BECAUSE AGAIN, WE STILL FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT ULTIMATELY THIS IS GONNA CREATE MORE OPTIONS FOR ALL OF THESE PARCELS THAT ARE IN THIS AREA, NOT JUST THE ONES ON HAMPTON ROAD. 
          THAT BEING SAID, THOUGH, COUNSEL, AND I THINK THEY WERE WISE IN THINKING THAT, AND I REMEMBER TALKING TO THE MAYOR ABOUT IT. 
          SHE SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS BEGAN BACK IN, YOU KNOW, THE LATE NINETIES AND EARLY TWO THOUSANDS WITH THE IDEA THAT WE WOULD, WE WOULD READ IN VISION, ENVISION THE COMMERCIAL AREA OF HAMPTON ROAD. 
          THIS GOT BIGGER FOR A LOT OF GOOD REASONS, BUT IT SEEMS TO HAVE GOTTEN MUDDIED. 
          LET'S BRING THAT BORDER BACK IN AND FOCUS ON THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. 
          SO WHAT YOU SEE THERE, REALLY WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS, AND THERE'S REASONS FOR THOSE EXCEPTIONS, IS PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ACCESS TO HAMPTON ROAD. 
          THEY'RE ZONED COMMERCIAL TODAY, WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS. 
          THE GREEN ONES THAT YOU SAW ON THAT MAP EARLIER, THE LIGHT GREEN ONES THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING, THEN THAT'S REALLY WHAT YOU HAVE NOW IS ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT FACE OUT ONTO OR HAVE ACCESS TO HAMPTON ROAD AND ARE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. 
          THAT EVEN INCLUDES SOME THAT ARE HOUSES TODAY THAT ARE DOCTOR'S OFFICE. 
          THEY'RE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. 
          YVONNE DAVIS', OUR OWN REPRESENTATIVE LIVE, HER OFFICES ARE ON HAMPTON ROAD IN A HOUSE COMMERCIAL IN NATURE. 
          SO THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CHANGES, BUT THIS, I THINK FOCUSES US BACK ON WHAT WE SET OUT TO DO 20 SOME ODD YEARS AGO. 
          AND THAT'S TO BEGIN TO CREATE THIS NEW AREA THAT'S PEDESTRIAN FENDER, IT'S BIKE FRIENDLY, THAT HAS WIDE SIDEWALKS, THAT HAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AREA, 
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AND THAT THE BUILDINGS HAVE A DIFFERENT RELATIONSHIP TO THE STREET THAN A SEA OF PARKING BETWEEN ME AND THERE. 
          THAT'S NOT REALLY MUCH. 
          THAT'S NOT PRETTY AND IT'S NOT VERY COMFORTABLE AND IT'S NOT VERY WELL USED. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT GIVES YOU SOME EXPLANATION IN TERMS OF WHY THIS IS COMING BACK TO YOU AS A VERY DIFFERENT PICTURE THAN IT, THAN IT WAS ORIGINALLY. 
          THIS IS PICKING OUT THOSE 147. 
          I COULD TALK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE ONES THAT ARE INCLUDED THAT DO NOT NECESSARILY FRONT HAMPTON ROAD, BUT IF I WERE TO GENERALIZE THAT, IT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE INVOLVED IN SOME SORT OF A PRO A PROJECT ALREADY THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE THAT, THAT REZONING. 
          SO RATHER THAN MAKING THEM COME IN AND DO THAT AS AN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER, WE SAID WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO AHEAD AND INCLUDE PROJECTS THAT, THAT MY TEAM AND I ARE WORKING ON TODAY INTO THOSE, INTO THOSE DISCUSSIONS. 
          COMMISSIONER AIRWAR? YES. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          UH, I, I AM NEW JUST AS MY COMMISSIONER PEERS TO THE LEFT. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT, UH, A LOT OF PLANNING HAS BEEN PUT INTO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF URBAN CENTER DISTRICTS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          MY CHALLENGE, UH, IS CERTAINLY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL OR THE APARTMENTS ON TOP OF THE RETAIL. 
          UH, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE VERY STRINGENT, UH, RULES AND ENFORCEMENT FOR THAT TYPE OF DWELLING, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD NEGATIVELY AFFECT AND IMPACT THE RETAIL, WHICH WE BELIEVE WOULD INCREASE THE TAX BASE IN THE CITY. 
          AND SO ON EACH ONE OF THESE, UM, DISTRICTS, UH, IT WAS BASICALLY RESIDENTIAL APARTMENTS, THAT KIND OF THING. 
          WHY DID WE FEEL THAT IT WAS NECESSARY TO DO THAT VERSUS PERHAPS, UH, SOME OF THE BUILDINGS WAS WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE A RE REWORK ALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE MM-HMM . 
          I WOULD SAY THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF BUILDINGS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT YES, THERE'S SHORTAGE OF BUILD, THERE'S SHORTAGE OF BUILDINGS FOR BUSINESSES AND WE THRIVE UPON TAX BASE. 
          SO WHY, WHY WAS IT THERE ENVISIONED MAYBE A, A A DISTRICT WHERE WE HAD LIKE A A ALL BUSINESS ON THE TOP, UH, AND THEN RETAIL ON THE BOTTOM. 
          ALL OF THAT DRIVES A TAX BASE. 
          I'M JUST REALLY, REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, APARTMENTS, UM, AND APARTMENT DWELLERS. 
          UM, AND JUST THE, THE LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE AND THE UPKEEP OF EVERYTHING AROUND IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE AREAS ARE THRIVING. 
          I GUESS THAT'S JUST A CONCERN, REALLY. 
          AND I THINK THIS AREA HERE, I THINK IT WAS INITIALLY THAT WAS SORT OF THE CONCEPT TO HAVE APARTMENTS ON THE TOP AND, YOU KNOW, BUSINESSES ON THE, ON THE BOTTOM THAT NEVER MATERIALIZED. 
          I THINK IT WAS ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER IT WAS. 
          AND SO WHY DO WE THINK THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT THAN FROM WHAT WE STARTED HERE, RIGHT HERE AT TOWN CENTER? SO TH THIS, WHAT WAS BUILT HERE IN WHAT WAS ENVISIONED IN 2014 ENDED UP BEING VERY DIFFERENT. 
          AND THE INTERESTING PIECE OF THAT IS WE HAVE FREQUENT CONVERSATIONS WITH THE, THE TEAM WHO ACTUALLY DESIGNED WHAT WAS LAID OUT AS KIND OF THE VERY FIRST PROJECT IN THIS ENTIRE CONCEPT IN 2014. 
          AND THEY'LL TELL YOU STRAIGHT UP, IT WAS NEVER PUT TOGETHER, RIGHT? IT WAS DOOMED TO FAIL BEFORE IT STARTED BECAUSE WE, THE CITY DECIDED THAT WE HAD BETTER IDEAS THAN GOOD ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPERS WHO SAID, THIS IS WHAT WILL WORK. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THAT VERY SAME KIND OF PRODUCT IN THE RIGHT PLACES, IT THRIVES. 
          IT ABSOLUTELY THRIVES. 
          IT ATTRACTS YOUNGER PEOPLE. 
          AS A GENERAL RULE, I, I'M AMAZED THAT PEOPLE WANNA LIVE IN 400 SQUARE FEET AND IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE A STUDIO. 
          AND YET FOR A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY'RE PERFECTLY COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE REALIZED THAT THEY DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON A PLACE. 
          THEY DON'T SPEND MUCH TIME RIGHT NOW, THAT PROBABLY IS THE ANTITHESIS OF THE KIND OF PLACE YOU AND I WOULD WANT TO LIVE. 
          I KNOW IT IS FOR ME, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE'S A PIECE OF THE MARKET THAT LIKES THAT IDEA. 
          THEY LIKE THE IDEA OF BEING ABLE TO GO DOWNSTAIRS AND GO AND HAVE A BURGER OR GET A DRINK. 
          SO THERE'S A ROOM FOR THAT. 
          MAKE NO MISTAKE, THE CHARACTER BASED CODE DOESN'T TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DEVELOP. 
          WHAT IT LAYS OUT IS A RANGE OF DEVELOPMENTS THAT 
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CAN HAPPEN IN THAT AREA. 
          SO TO YOUR POINT, RIGHT, A DEVELOPER GOES THROUGH AND IS VERY, VERY CAREFUL ABOUT HOW THEY BUILD THE PROFORMA OF WHAT'S GONNA RETURN THEIR MONEY AND WHAT KIND OF RETURN THEY EXPECT AND OVER WHAT PERIOD OF TIME. 
          AND IF THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY CAN RENT THOSE SPACES, IF THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN PARK IT APPROPRIATELY. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE SOME CONSTRAINTS AROUND THAT THAT MAKE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SIT UP AND LISTEN. 
          YOU HAVE TO STILL BE ABLE TO PARK THIS REASONABLY. 
          IF THEY BELIEVE THEY CAN MAKE THE RETURN THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, THEY'RE LIKELY TO BUILD THAT TYPE OF PRODUCT. 
          BUT IF THE VERY SAME DEVELOPER OR THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR ON A VERY SIMILARLY PIECE OF, OF SIZED AND POSITION PROPERTY SAYS, MAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS MORE OFFICE SPACE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS 'EM OF BUILDING THREE STORIES OF OFFICE SPACES. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL OVER IT. 
          THEY CAN, OR THEY MIGHT EVEN SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'M OKAY WITH A LESSER RETURN AND I ONLY BUILD TWO STORIES. 
          IT ALLOWS FOR THAT. 
          SO THERE'S A WIDE RANGE OF PRODUCTS THAT CAN HAPPEN THERE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY, AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE WE WOULD WANT THAT LUXURY, ALTHOUGH I'M SURE THERE'S SOMETHING MIGHT, UM, OF BEING ABLE TO TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY HAVE TO BUILD ON THEIR PROPERTY. 
          THAT'S NOT A FREE MARKET ECONOMY. 
          THAT'S NOT HOW WE WANNA OPERATE. 
          WHAT WE DO WANNA OPERATE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEIR PROPERTY AND MAKE IT MORE PRODUCTIVE OR MAKE IT, MAYBE IT TURNS A HIGHER RETURN TO THEM THAN THEY EVER DREAMED POSSIBLE BECAUSE WE'RE ALLOWING 'EM TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT GOING FORWARD THAN THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. 
          IF YOU LOOK A LOT OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS UP AND DOWN HAMPTON ROAD TODAY, THEY'RE SINGLE STORY. 
          THEY'RE SMALLER IN THEIR NATURE AND THEY'RE SET BACK BECAUSE WE HAD PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE UNREASONABLE EVEN THEN. 
          AND TODAY IT'S EVEN LESS REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. 
          IF YOU START TO LOOK, THAT NUMBER HAS FALLEN DOWN TO WHERE WE USED TO WANNA HAVE ONE, ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY APARTMENT, ONE PARKING SPACE FOR EVERY RESIDENTIAL UNIT. 
          IF YOU LOOK NATIONWIDE AND YOU LOOK SPECIFICALLY IN METROPLEXES AND URBAN, URBAN, URBAN ESQUE ENTERS LIKE CENTERS, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE AVERAGE IS LESS THAN ONE CAR PER UNIT. 
          IT'S ABOUT 0.79 PER UNIT. 
          AND YOU THINK, HOW DOES THAT WORK? I MEAN, SOMEBODY DOESN'T HAVE A CAR. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY SON AND HIS WIFE DON'T HAVE A CAR. 
          THEY PREFER TO USE UBER BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH LESS. 
          THEY WORK FROM HOME. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE THE NEED TO HAVE A CAR OR EVEN TWO IN SOME CASES. 
          SO WHEN YOU START TO AVERAGE THIS TOGETHER, HERE'S THIS YOUNG COUPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THE CAR, THEY DON'T NEED ONE, THEY DON'T WANT ONE, BUT THE ONE NEXT DOOR MIGHT HAVE ONE, THE ONE NEXT DOOR TO THAT MIGHT HAVE TWO. 
          SO YOU GET THIS SORT OF DECLINING NEED FOR PARKING THAT'S BUILT INTO THAT FOREIGN BASE CODE. 
          AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE PUBLIC PARKING AREAS IN VERY SPECIFIC KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE'LL PAIR WITH DEVELOPERS IN SOME OF THESE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE CREATING STRUCTURED PARKING. 
          IT MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE STORIES OF A PARKING DECK THAT'S WRAPPED BY THE APARTMENTS AND THEN HAS SOME STUFF ABOVE THAT. 
          AND WE'LL ASSIST WITH MAKING THOSE AVAILABLE SO THAT WE HAVE BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PARKING WITHIN AN EASY WALKING DISTANCE OF ALL THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THIS ISN'T DONE HAPHAZARDLY THAT WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT IT AND KNOW WHAT THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE LIKELY TO BE IF WE REACH THE DENSITY TARGETS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. 
          BUT YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES AND, AND HOW THIS, HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE ACRE PER LAND TODAY IN DESOTO, IF YOU TAKE ONE ACRE ON THE AVERAGE THAT'S IN MOST CASES BEEN DEVELOPED RESIDENTIAL 43,560 SQUARE FEET, DIVIDE THAT BY 12, YOU HAVE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF, 3.7, UH, UNITS TO BE DEVELOPED ON THAT. 
          AND IT GENERATES SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR AND $5,000 OF TAX REVENUE. 
          THAT'S KIND OF THE AVERAGE FOUR TO $5,000 PER ACRE OF TAX REVENUE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ALONG THAT ROAD THAT ARE PROJECTED FOR THOSE VARIOUS DIFFERENT AREAS, THEY RANGE FROM 20 TO 30 TIMES OR MORE. 
          THAT NUMBER, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE FINANCIAL STABILITY WE TALK ABOUT THAT THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR WILL BRING BECAUSE IT INCREASES OUR UNIT, OUR YIELD PER ACRE IN TERMS OF PROPERTY TAX DOLLARS ALLOWS A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT THAT ARE GENERATING BUSINESSES ARE GENERATING REVENUE. 
          RESTAURANTS ARE REVING GENERATING REVENUE. 
          APARTMENTS GENERATE REVENUE TOO. 
          THEY'RE A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT. 
          THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT TAXED AS A, AS A, AS A RESIDENTIAL UNIT. 
          THEY'RE TAXED AS A COMMERCIAL PRODUCT. 
          SO THEY'RE ALL GENERATING A LOT MORE TAXES THAN WHAT WE WOULD ENJOY TODAY IF WE TOOK THAT SAME ACRE AND REDEVELOPED IT THE WAY WE ALWAYS HAVE. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS WITH SOME OF YOUR THOUGHTS. 
          THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION. 
          YOU BET. 
          IS THERE A 
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PLAN TO REVIEW AND I GUESS THIS PLAN EVERY FEW YEARS OR EVERY 10 YEARS TO ADAPT TO, YOU KNOW, EVER CHANGING ECONOMIC  THERE? I CAN TELL YOU THERE ISN'T TODAY. 
          I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THE MARKET WILL DO THAT FOR ITSELF AND THAT, 'CAUSE THAT'S TYPICALLY THE MARKET, THE WAY THE MARKET WORKS. 
          I MEAN, YOU EVEN SEE IT NOW TODAY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE INORDINATE NUMBER OF REZONING CASES THAT YOU SEE ALL THE TIME, THE MARKET IS SCREAMING AT YOU THAT YOUR ZONING DOESN'T MATCH WHAT THE MARKET'S WILLING TO BUILD OR BUY. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY AMOUNTS TO. 
          IT SAYS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. 
          WE CAN'T BUILD, WE CAN'T MAKE MONEY BUILDING IT. 
          IF WE CAN'T MAKE MONEY BUILDING IT IN DESOTO, WE'LL GO DOWN TO A VILLA, WE'LL GO DOWN TO WAXAHATCHEE, WE'LL GO DOWN TO MIDLOTHIAN AND WE'LL BUILD IT THERE. 
          AND THEY ARE. 
          AND THEN YOUNG PEOPLE PASS OVER DE SOTO AND GO TO THOSE PLACES WHERE THEY CAN AFFORD HOUSING AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'LL LIVE. 
          AND THEY'LL DRIVE AN ADDITIONAL 15, 20, 30 MINUTES TO WORK. 
          WE SUFFER FROM THAT HERE. 
          EVEN TODAY, 80% OR MORE OF OUR WORKING ADULTS LEAVE DESOTO TO GO TO THEIR JOBS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TAXED, TASKED WITH IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, IS MOVING MORE AND MORE JOBS CLOSER TO DESOTO OR INTO DESOTO SO THAT MORE PEOPLE CAN WORK HERE AS WELL AS, AS LIVE HERE. 
          SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS THERE'S NO FORMAL PLAN TO DO THAT. 
          THE MARKET WILL TELL US OTHER QUESTIONS. 
          NO QUESTION. 
          I MIGHT NEED ONE OF THOSE  NO QUESTION. 
          BUT A, A COMMENT, UM, THE REDUCTION IN THE BOUNDARY FOR ME LOOKS GREAT. 
          IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY, UM, AGREE ON AND MOVE FORWARD BASED ON THE COMMUNITY INPUT WE WERE HEARING. 
          UM, KEEPING IT JUST ADJACENT TO THE CORRIDOR AND LETTING THAT DEVELOP AND THEN IF IT NEEDS TO EXPAND. 
          DOING THAT LATER, I THINK IS A EXCELLENT IDEA. 
          UH, I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS GETTING STARTED AND GETTING SOME COMMERCIAL, UH, DIVERSITY AND  RETAIL AND RESTAURANTS IN OUR CITY, HONESTLY. 
          SO THANKS FOR THIS. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          SO ARE WE, YOU KNOW, I CAN TELL YOU THAT LAST YEAR ANTOINE AND I, BETWEEN THE TWO OF US VISITED WITH MORE THAN 40 DEVELOPERS ABOUT THE, THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT THE SINGLE LARGEST COMM CONCERN WAS? WHEN'S THE CITY GONNA REZONE IT? 'CAUSE I'M NOT GONNA COME IN AND SPEND 3, 4, 10, $15 MILLION ON MY PROJECT WHEN I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GONNA DEVELOP NEXT TO ME. 
          IF I HAVE NO CERTAINTY ABOUT THAT, THAT'S TOO MUCH RISK. 
          I'LL FIND ANOTHER PLACE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SINGLE LARGEST CONCERN. 
          AND THEY'VE WAITED A YEAR AND THAT IN AND OF ITSELF HAS CREATED SOME CONCERNS. 
          IT TOOK THE CITY A YEAR TO FIGURE THIS OUT. 
          NOW, I PERSONALLY THINK IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. 
          I THINK WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE. 
          I THINK WE REACHED OUT IN WAYS WE NEVER HAVE BEFORE. 
          UM, I WISH WE'D DONE THAT WITH OUR COMP PLAN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE TRIED WHAT WE, WE TRIED WHAT'S WORKED AND, AND WE, WE GOT GOOD RESPONSE. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK WE GOT GREAT RESPONSE. 
          I THINK IT WAS PRUDENT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND BE VERY, VERY DELIBERATE. 
          UM, BUT IT'S TIME TO MOVE FORWARD AND WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT IT. 
          AND MANY OF THOSE DEVELOPERS ARE STILL CHOMPING AT THE BIT SAYING, WE WANT TO BE IN DE SOTO, WE WANNA START DOING THIS WORK, BUT WE NEED YOUR HELP. 
          MATT, JUST TO SOMETHING VICE CHAIR SAID, AND SHE, SHE SAID, I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL WE CAN GET STARTED AND GET THE DIVERSITY OF THINGS. 
          CAN YOU LIKE WITHIN A MINUTE TALK AND SAY, PROBABLY NOT . 
          OKAY. 
          TWO . 
          CAN YOU TELL US HOW YOU FORESEE THIS CHANGE IMPACTING THE ECONOMY FOR THE CITY? AND THEN FURTHER, HOW IS IT GOING TO AFFECT YOUR COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL RECRUITMENT AND WINS? AND, AND PARTICULARLY ALONG THE LINES OF GETTING SOME MORE HIGHER END TYPE RESTAURANTS AND RETAILS. 
          'CAUSE I'M WONDERING, UM, WOULD THERE BE A WHOLE FOODS THERE? WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO RECRUIT A WHOLE FOOD OR CHARITY OR JOE'S OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO RECRUIT OTHER TYPES OF COM RETAIL? SO, UH, IT HAMPTON ROAD WILL HAVE AN IMPACT IN AND OF ITSELF, BUT PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THE COMP PLAN AND THE PICTURE THAT IT PAINTS FOR WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO GOING FORWARD, WHICH LOOKS LIKE REPLICATING SIMILAR KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT IN NUMEROUS AREAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. 
          THAT MEANS INCREASING DENSITY, THAT MEANS INCREASING THE NUMBERS, AND THAT MEANS GREATER YIELD PER ACRE. 
          THE, THE RETAILERS KNOW THAT AND THEY SEE WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          THEY'RE WAITING FOR US TO BEGIN TO ACT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO MAKE INVESTMENTS IN SOME OF THESE EARLY DEVELOPMENTS BECAUSE 
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WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE HAPPEN IS, IS HAVE SOME OF THOSE EARLY ADOPTERS AND THEY'LL BE THE FIRST ONES IN, THEY'LL REAP A LITTLE BIT BIGGER REWARD. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          'CAUSE WHAT IT TELLS THE WORLD IS THIS IS HAPPENING IN DESOTO. 
          AND THEN PEOPLE WILL WANT TO GET ON BOARD. 
          OF COURSE NOW THEY'RE GONNA SAY, WELL, WE WANT THE SAME DEAL THEY GOT, SORRY, THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT WORKS. 
          THEY TOOK THE RISK, THEY GOT THE REWARD. 
          THERE'LL BE STILL REWARDS FOR YOU. 
          BUT TO YOUR POINT IN TERMS OF HOW DOES IT AFFECT RESTAURANTS, I CAN TELL YOU AS A FORMER RESTAURATEUR THAT IF YOU CANNOT HAVE TWO TURNS MORNING AND LUNCH, LUNCH AND DINNER, YOUR RESTAURANT WILL DIE. 
          AND IT'S THAT SIMPLE. 
          NOW, IT MIGHT TAKE A LONG TIME IF YOU'RE A PILOT, YOU KNOW THAT IF THE NOSE ISN'T OVER THE HORIZON, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA CRASH. 
          AND IT MIGHT TAKE A REALLY LONG TIME 'CAUSE IT'S JUST A FEW DEGREES OR MAYBE IT'S MORE STEEP, BUT YOUR BUSINESS WILL DIE AS A RESTAURANT. 
          YOU SIMPLY CAN'T SURVIVE ON ONE TURN. 
          AND EVERY RESTAURATEUR WILL TELL YOU THAT. 
          IF YOU READ THE RESTAURANT MAGAZINES, THEY'LL TELL YOU THAT. 
          SO WE HAVE TO FIND BREAKFAST AND LUNCH OR LUNCH AND DINNER FOR THOSE RESTAURANTS. 
          YOU DO THAT WITH A DAYTIME ECONOMY. 
          AND WE DO NOT HAVE A STRONG DAYTIME ECONOMY. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A STRONG DAYTIME ECONOMY 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE IN PLACE TO FEED THAT DAYTIME ECONOMY. 
          SO IT, IT'S, IT IS VERY MUCH NOT A SINGLE ANSWER TO THAT, TO THAT CONUNDRUM, BUT IT DOES ALLOW US TO ATTRACT MORE BUSINESS, MORE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO WORK HERE. 
          AND IF THEY'RE WORKING AT THEIR DESK AND THEY GET HUNGRY AND THEY GO DOWNSTAIRS AND EAT LUNCH, THAT'S WHAT STARTS TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          OR IF THERE'S LUNCH CROWD FOR A NICER RESTAURANT, THEY SIMPLY CAN'T MAKE IT HAPPEN. 
          AND YOU'VE WATCHED THIS HAPPEN OVER IN CEDAR HILL, OVER IN THE HILLSIDE VILLAGE OVER THERE. 
          HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN SOME OF THOSE RESTAURANTS TURN? AND IT'S BECAUSE CEDAR HILL HAS THE SAME PROBLEM WE DO. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE A DAYTIME ECONOMY, AND THOSE RESTAURANTS CAN'T SURVIVE ON DINNER ALONE. 
          SO THEY SURVIVE FOR A LITTLE WHILE UNTIL THEIR CASH RESERVES RUN OUT. 
          AND THEN IT CHANGES. 
          THAT CHANGES EV THE, THE CALCULUS IN EVERY AREA, WHETHER IT'S RETAIL RECRUITMENT, YOU KNOW, THE SHOPS, IF YOU WILL, THAT ARE GONNA SURVIVE BECAUSE THERE'S JUST PEOPLE WALKING UP AND DOWN THE STREET. 
          IT'S A HUGE PIECE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING ON HAMPTON ROAD OR THERE'S JUST A, A GREATER NUMBER OF FOLKS, IF WE GO FROM 57 TO 80, THAT'S, THAT'S A TREMENDOUS DIFFERENCE. 
          WE HAVE GREAT DEMOGRAPHICS TODAY. 
          THEY ONLY GET BETTER AS WE GROW. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT WAS LESS THAN A MINUTE. 
          BUT, UH, COMMISSIONER UH, LARO IS GONNA HAVE A LAST QUESTION THIS EVENING. 
          SO TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF VICE CHAIR'S, UM, COMMENT, YOU KNOW, US BEING NEW, UM, I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS ON WHAT WAS SOME OF THE, I GUESS, MAJOR CONCERNS OR ISSUES WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT KIND OF LED TO THIS REDUCTION? UM, I I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S SO MUCH THAT, THAT THE MAJOR CONCERNS YOU HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT LED TO THE REDUCTION. 
          I THINK WHAT IT WAS WAS A, A LARGE, UM, CONST, AN AMOUNT OF CONSTERNATION, AN AMOUNT OF ANGST THAT WAS REVOLVING AROUND THE, THE RESIDENTIAL PIECES OF PROPERTY. 
          THERE WAS JUST TOO MUCH UNCERTAINTY. 
          AND, AND RIGHT. 
          SOME OF THAT IS POLITICAL WILL, RIGHT? AND THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE HEARD CAME FROM THE SAME PEOPLE IN TWO OR THREE OR FOUR MEETINGS. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA EVER CONVINCE THAT PERSON THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR THAT, THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IS, IS NOT GONNA HAVE SOME SORT OF A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THEM. 
          IF THAT NUMBER GETS BIG ENOUGH, THE PEOPLE WHO FILL THOSE SEATS ON TUESDAY NIGHTS SAY, I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME SUPPORTING THAT. 
          WHEN I SEE THAT KIND OF RESISTANCE, YOU KNOW, I I PROBABLY NEED TO STEP BACK AND LISTEN. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S SMART. 
          I THINK THAT'S GOOD POLITICS. 
          IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOOD DEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S NOT ALWAYS GOOD PLANNING, BUT IT IS GOOD POLITICS. 
          SO I THINK YOU SAW A CHANGE BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          I THINK YOU SAW A CHANGE THAT MOVED THOSE RESIDENTIAL PIECES OUT OF THE WAY. 
          WE STILL HAVE, AS I SAID EARLIER, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DO THAT, TO COME TO US AND SAY, I SEE THE BENEFITS. 
          I WANNA JOIN. 
          THEY CAN DO THAT. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THAT STOPS 'EM FROM DOING THAT. 
          IT'S JUST NOT A CITY SPONSORED FUNCTION THAT'S CHANGING THE ZONING OF THEIR PROPERTY ON THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR ITSELF. 
          THE COMMERCIAL PIECES OF PROPERTY, VERY LITTLE RESISTANCE WAS FELT AT ALL FROM THOSE PIECE, FROM THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS. 
          THAT'S NOT TO SAY THERE WAS NONE. 
          I I CAN'T TELL YOU EXACTLY HOW MANY THERE WERE, BUT IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          AND I MEAN, IT WAS HANDFUL OR LESS, NOT TENS. 
          IF YOU GUYS ARE CONSPIRING TO ASK ME A REALLY HARD QUESTION, I'M SITTING DOWN. 
          ALL RIGHT, MATT, THANKS SO MUCH. 
          WE APPRECIATE , APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND DO THIS. 
          YEAH, NO, BUT THANKS. 
          ARE YOU GONNA BE AVAILABLE IF COMMISSIONERS HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS THEY WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU BEFORE 
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THE NEXT MEETING, WOULD YOU? ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND AND IF I'M NOT AVAILABLE, BECAUSE ANTOINE AND I ARE ENTERING INTO THAT SEASON OF OUR LIVES, THAT, THAT FOR ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS, WE'RE, WE'RE REALLY HARD TO FIND. 
          UM, EITHER ANTOINE OR I ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. 
          YOU WANT TO COME AND SIT DOWN AND HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE WITH ME? HAPPY TO DO SO. 
          I'M RIGHT HERE IN THE CITY HALL, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE CAN HELP YOU TO BE BETTER INFORMED. 
          AND I'LL, I'LL EXTEND THAT NOT JUST TO TONIGHT AND THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, BUT ANYTIME THAT THERE'S A QUESTION AROUND ONE OF THESE AND YOU'RE JUST SCRATCHING YOUR HEAD WHERE YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, MAGICAL CALCULATOR OVER THERE THAT WE SAY 14 UNITS ON 6.7 ACRES. 
          WE DON'T, BUT WE CAN USUALLY GET YOU IN THE BALLPARK. 
          YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO GIVE US A CALL AND WE'LL HAPPY HAPPILY ENGAGE WITH YOU ANYTIME, ANYTIME, ANY PLACE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          AND I'M GONNA ASK MR. CARROLL, WOULD YOU MIND, UH, SENDING OUT THE COMMISSION'S, THEIR CONTACT INFORMATION EMAIL AND CAN THEY HAVE YOUR CELL PHONE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH INDEED. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TONIGHT. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          NO, I APPRECIATE YOU COMING. 
          OF COURSE. 
          REALLY, THANK YOU. 
          YOU BET. 
          MR. BREWER. 
          MR. BREWER, COULD YOU COME BACK TO THE PODIUM PLEASE, SIR? VICE CHAIR. 
          GO AHEAD, . 
          SO JUST TO, UM, ADDRESS OR PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION FOR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONER, MS. LAROY, HE ASKED WHAT WAS SOME OF THE CONCERNS. 
          I KNOW A BIG CONCERN WAS, UH, THE NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WOULD BECOME NONCONFORMING. 
          CAN YOU ELABORATE JUST FOR A MINUTE OR SO ON THAT, JUST TO GIVE HIM A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION SINCE HE'S NEW TO THIS COMMISSION. 
          AS AS, UH, COMMISSIONER SAID, UH, THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT JUST MULTIFAMILY PERIOD. 
          THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT, UM, THEIR PROPERTIES BECOMING NONCONFORMING AND STAFF NOT BEING ABLE TO RESPONSE ON WHAT THEY WILL DO OR WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO. 
          UH, AGAIN, UM, CONCERNS OF ADUS, UH, CONCERNS OF PARKING. 
          IF YOU HAVE THE INCREASED, UM, DENSITY IN THIS AREA, UM, IT DID NOT APPEAR THAT, AND I THINK THE CHARACTER CODES ONLY REQUIRED I THINK ONE SPACE PER SOMETHING. 
          SO IT WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT I REMEMBER. 
          THERE WAS ALSO, UM, A CONFUSION ABOUT IMMINENT DOMAIN. 
          THEY FELT THEIR PROPERTIES WERE GONNA BE JUST TAKEN FROM THEM AND, AND REDEVELOP AND, AND THAT WAS JUST ERRONEOUS INFORMATION OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF I MAY ADD, AS WAS THE CASE THEN, AND AS IS THE CASE NOW, JUST BECAUSE THIS REZONING WOULD MAKE SOMETHING NON-CONFORMING, IT WOULD BE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING. 
          THE CITY WAS NEVER GOING TO, AND THE CITY IS NOT AS OF NOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA CHANGE. 
          I WOULD HIGHLY, I WOULD BE SHOCKED. 
          UM, THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THEM CONFORM TO THE NEW ZONING. 
          SO IT MAY PUT SOME PROHIBITIONS ON LIKE EXPANSION OF THE USE IF IT WAS NONCONFORMING, BUT IT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO MOVE OUTTA YOUR HOUSE. 
          SO IT COULD BECOME A RETAIL IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT GOT REZONED, THAT'S NOT WHAT IT WAS DOING AND THAT'S NOT WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO. 
          AND, AND THEN THE LE I'M SORRY, AND THEN ONE OF THE LAST ONES, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES, UH, COMMISSIONER BROOKS THAT I HEARD WAS ACTUALLY JUST ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROPOSED PLAN OF REDUCING THE NUMBER OF LANES FROM TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS TO ONE LANE. 
          WE KEPT EMPHASIZING THAT A REALITY THAT IS NOT ZONING, IT'S A PART OF THE BIGGER PICTURE, BUT THAT IS THE ENVISION THE RIGHT OF WAY IS PROJECTED TO REMAIN AS IS. 
          SO HOW DO YOU CREATE A SAFE, WALKABLE, BICYCLIST AREA, FOUR PEOPLE TO WALK FROM ONE SIDE OF THE STREET TO THE OTHER. 
          AND A PART OF THAT VISION WAS TO, UH, REDUCE THE DRIVING LANE TO ONE WAY IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. 
          SO THAT IS ONE OF THE, UH, AND WHAT'S THE LENGTH? LIKE WHERE, WHAT'S THE PLAN OF WHERE THAT REDUCTION WILL TAKE PLACE? IT'S, IT'S DIVISION. 
          UM, DI YEAH, DIRECTLY FROM, UM, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHERE OVER THAT ONE SECOND. 
          IT'S ALL WITHIN THE, UH, THE STRIP FROM PLEASANT RUN SOUTH OF BELTLINE. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE, IF YOU'RE PICTURING TWO LANES 
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COMING UP FROM THE NORTH, THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME LANE PAINTING DESIGNATION TO HELP GIVE TRAFFIC ADVANCED NOTIFICATION THAT IT'S REDUCING TO ONE LANE AS SOON AS YOU GET ON THE OTHER SIDE. 
          SAME THING COMING SOUTH OFF OF UH, UH, HAMPTON ROAD. 
          AS YOU APPROACH THE INTERSECTION WITH, UH, PLEASANT RUN, THERE HAD TO BE SOME LANE DESIGNATION BECAUSE RIGHT THERE, THE LANE TRANSITION WILL CREATE A ONE LANE, SO ONE LANE IN BOTH DIRECTION FROM PLEASANT RUN TO BELTLINE. 
          AND THAT WAS A LARGER CONCERN. 
          WE HAD TO TRY TO KEEP GUIDING THE COMMUNITY TO SAY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING, BUT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          AND, AND WHAT, WHERE WE REFERRED THEM TO 'EM. 
          'CAUSE THERE WAS QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE REALITY, YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE THAT AREA ON A MAJOR NORTH SOUTH THOROUGHFARE IN THE CITY. 
          IT'S GOING TO REALISTICALLY DRIVE THOSE PASSERBYS TO GO TO OTHER ARTERIAL NORTH, SOUTH ROADS THAT MAY NOT HAVE HAD AS MUCH. 
          AND AS YOU SAID IT WAS A PART OF, YOU KNOW, THE STUDY THAT HAS BEEN DONE. 
          I WOULD REALLY SAY LOOK AT THE, THE HAMPTON ROAD STREET SCAPE, YOU KNOW, MASTER PLAN AND THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR. 
          THOSE STUDIES DID INCLUDE NUMBERS THAT THEY DID TRAFFIC COUNTS, YOU KNOW, TO TRY TO GET A PROJECTION ON WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          BUT THAT WAS A, THE, THE, THE LARGER TRIGGER OF THAT IS THAT VISION OF REDUCING THE LANES. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DIRECTOR ROHR? THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR A VERY INFORMATIVE, UH, PRESENTATION AND TAKING THE TIME TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. 
          THIS, THIS, UH, EVENING. 
          WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED WHEN WE COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO MAKE THAT, UM, TO TAKE THAT VOTE. 
          BUT ALSO ALONG THE LINES THAT HE JUST DID ASK, WHEN WE COME, WHEN WE COME FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE MAKING A DECISION NOT ABOUT STREETS. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE OUR DECISION. 
          IT'S JUST RELATIVE TO THE, THE CHARACTER CODE AND, OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. BURN. 
          WHILE YOU'RE STILL THERE, , YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND JUST TAKE US INTO OUR, TO THE COMMISSIONER'S NEXT DISCUSSION PIECE. 
          THE, THE LAST ITEM 
          [2.  Discuss and consider changing one (1) of the two (2) monthly Planning and Zoning Commission meetings to a monthly "work session" meeting, to have one (1) work session meeting and (1) regular meeting each month instead of two (2) "regular" meetings.]
IS TO DISCUSS AND CONSIDER CHANGING ONE OF THE TWO MONTHLY PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS TO A MONTHLY WORK SESSION MEETING TO HAVE ONE WORK SESSION AND ONE REGULAR MEETING EACH MONTH INSTEAD OF TWO REGULAR MEETINGS. 
          THANK YOU MR. BARONE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, COMMISSION SECTION 8.4 OF YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE STATES IN REFERENCE TO MEETINGS. 
          THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SHALL MEET AT SUCH TIMES IN THE TOWN CENTER MUNICIPAL BUILDING, ORI SPECIFIED LOCATIONS AS MAY BE DESIGNATED BY THE CHAIRMAN OR VICE CHAIR IN THE ABSENCE OF THE CHAIRMAN. 
          AND AT SUCH INTERVALS AS MAY BE NECESSARY TO ORDERLY AND PROPERLY, UH, TRANSACT THE BUSINESS OF THE COMMISSION, BUT NOT LESS THAN ONCE PER MONTH. 
          SO YOU ARE MANDATED BY THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO HAVE AT LEAST ONE MEETING. 
          UH, AS YOU'RE AWARE, YOU HAVE TWO MEETINGS. 
          YOU MEET THE SECOND AND THE FOURTH TUESDAYS EVERY MONTH. 
          UH, WHAT HAS HAPPENED FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THERE HAVE BEEN REGULAR MEETINGS, UH, BOTH TIMES, UH, BUT STAFF, UH, JUST WOULD LIKE TO BRING TO YOU. 
          WE DO UNDERSTAND IT'S UNDER THE, UH, PURVIEW OF THE CHAIR, BUT AS YOU KNOW, WELL MAYBE NOT THE NEW MEMBERS, BUT THE OLD MEMBERS RECOGNIZE WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT MEETING, MEETING TIMES, WE A LOT OF TIMES PUT IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM JUST FOR YOU TO PUBLICLY TALK AMONGST YOURSELVES, BETWEEN YOURSELVES TO DECIDE IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO A CHANGE. 
          AND SO THIS ONE IS, IS ASKING WOULD YOU LIKE TO, INSTEAD OF HAVING TWO REGULAR MEETINGS PER MONTH, HAVE ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS TO BE A WORKSHOP, UH, TO WHERE MAYBE YOU CAN GET MORE IN DEPTH WITH STAFF, WITH, UH, DEVELOPERS TO ASK SOME MORE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND, AND NOT FEEL RUSH. 
          SO THIS IS JUST THAT OPPORTUNITY WE PLACING HIM BEFORE YOU TO CONSIDER. 
          BUT IT IS CERTAINLY AT YOUR PLEASURE. 
          AND THE CHAIR'S PLEASURE. 
          SO, UM, COMMISSIONERS, UM, ALL OF YOU ALL ARE AWARE AND I CALLED MR. DUBER. 
          HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WASN'T PRESENT. 
          THE CITY MANAGER CAME IN AND SPOKE WITH US AND, UH, HE, UM, POSED THAT SUGGESTION TO US. 
          AND AT THAT TIME, VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER BELL, UH, SAID THEY WANTED TO THINK ABOUT IT. 
          AND I COMMISSIONER, UH, LARO AND EDWARDS WERE RELATIVELY NEW AND THEY WERE BASICALLY IN A LISTEN ONLY MODE. 
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AND I'D LIKE TO GO BACK AND JUST WHEN WE FIRST STARTED AND I CAME IN AND, UH, MR. BELL AND UH, VICE CHAIR BROOKS, WE WERE DOING A WORKSHOP FROM SIX TO SEVEN AND THEN AT SEVEN O'CLOCK THEN WE WOULD GO AND HAVE OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE MEETING. 
          THEN CITY COUNCIL CHANGED THE WAY THEY WERE APPROACHING THEIR COUNCIL MEETINGS AND THEN IT CAME TO US THAT WE COULD FOLLOW SUIT AND WE GOT RID OF THE WORK SESSIONS AND WE JUST STARTED AT SIX O'CLOCK WITH OUR REGULAR SCHEDULE. 
          BUT THIS COMMISSION SAID THEY WANTED TO KEEP THE WORKSHOP AND, AND DO IT THE WORKSHOP FOR SINCE. 
          AND ONE EVENING WHEN WE WERE HERE, WE HAD FINISHED THE WORKSHOP SO QUICKLY, WE HAD ABOUT 45 MINUTES TO SIT HERE AND WAIT UNTIL THE REGULAR SCHEDULE MEETING. 
          SO THEN WE DECIDED, WELL, MAYBE WE SHOULD GO THAT WAY. 
          AND WE VOTED TO GO THIS WAY. 
          SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED SOMETIME THE WORKSHOP WAS THE FIRST TIME A COMMISSIONER MAY HAVE HEARD THE CASE OR HAD A CHANCE TO READ IT. 
          SO WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY WOULD GET THE CHANCE TO READ IT AND THEY COULD ASK STAFF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS. 
          AND IF THEY STAFF DIDN'T HAVE IT, THEY HAD TIME TO GO GET THE ANSWERS BEFORE THE REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETINGS. 
          BUT THEN STAFF, WE TALK WITH STAFF AND STAFF SAY, HEY, WE'RE AVAILABLE TO YOU. 
          YOU CAN CALL US UP ANYTIME BEFORE THE MEETING AND WE'RE GONNA ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE CAN, WE'LL, WE'LL GET THOSE, UM, QUESTIONS ANSWERED FOR YOU BEFORE WE COME IN. 
          SO IT HAS WORKED WELL THE WAY IT HAS BEEN GOING, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET YOUR INPUT AND YOUR THOUGHTS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO TAKE ONE TUESDAY WORKSHOPS ONLY. 
          THE NEXT TUESDAY THAT WE HAVE A MEETING, WE WOULD BE DOING ALL THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE AGENDA ITEMS. AND AS MR. BREWER SAID, BY LAW, WE'RE GONNA BE MEETING OBLIGATION WITH THAT ONE MEETING, UM, A MONTH. 
          AND I'M GONNA START ON THE END WITH MR. BERRY . 
          MY RED LIGHT IS ON AND GET YOU TO BACK IN THE DAY WHEN I WAS ON THE COMMISSION BEFORE FROM ABOUT 2006 TO 2012, THE WORK SESSION WAS FROM SIX TO SEVEN IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM WITH STAFF AND DEVELOPERS. 
          WE DID THAT OVER DINNER, THEN WE WOULD COME IN HERE AND HAVE THE MEETING. 
          THE ISSUE I WOULD HAVE WITH SPLITTING IT UP ONE NIGHT, UH, MEETING ONE NIGHT WORK SESSION IS THAT, UH, THINGS COULD, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT WE SEE IN THE CHARACTER CODE AND A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE COULD WIND UP HAVING THE MARATHON REGULAR MEETINGS KINDA LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOW AND BE HERE TILL MIDNIGHT, ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE OLD WAY, SIX O'CLOCK, SEVEN O'CLOCK WORK SESSION. 
          THAT WAY IF WE DO GET THROUGH IN 10 MINUTES, WE CAN SIT BACK THERE AND CHAT, GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER A LITTLE BETTER, OR ASK OTHER QUESTIONS OF CA OF, UH, THE ZONING STAFF TO BRING US UP TO DATE ON SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE HAPPENING THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, AND THEN COME IN AND HAVE THE MEETING. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE, BUT I'M ONLY ONE OF SEVEN VOTES. 
          AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK. 
          I MEAN, WHEN MY COLLEAGUE SAID HERE TILL MIDNIGHT, I WAS LIKE, OH NO. 
          IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY, IT IS POSSIBLE WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE. 
          WELL, THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A NO FOR ME. 
          . 
          UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M A FAN OF THE WAY OUR MEETINGS ARE WORKING NOW. 
          I THINK THEY'RE VERY EFFICIENT. 
          I THINK, UM, WE, YOU KNOW, GET A CHANCE TO HEAR THE WORK, HEAR THE ITEM, UH, IN FRONT OF OUR RESIDENTS WHO COME TO HERE. 
          UM, IT'S JUST WORKING AND I'M JUST NOT A FAN OF CHANGE FOR THE SAKE OF CHANGE, YOU KNOW, PRETENDING THAT IT'S PROGRESS IF THERE'S NOTHING TO FIX. 
          SO I GUESS I WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IT THAT WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO FIX? AND AS A MUNICIPAL EMPLOYEE FOR OVER 24 YEARS, I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT WHAT'S THE BENEFIT TO, TO THIS COMMISSION VERSUS THE BURDEN TO STAFF. 
          DOES THIS MEAN STAFF WOULD BE WORKING TWICE AS HARD, 
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PUTTING THESE ITEMS ON TWO AGENDAS AS OPPOSED TO ONE AND REPRESENTING FOR BOTH THE WORK SESSION AS WELL AS THE REGULAR MEETING. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THEY'RE BOTH REGULAR MEETINGS, BUT I'M, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT BURDEN IS TO STAFF AND BE REAL SENSITIVE TO THAT. 
          NOW, AGAIN, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I THINK YOU HIT ON ONE WAS PART OF THE REASON WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU TO GET RID OF THAT WORKSHOP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETINGS BECAUSE WE FOUND OURSELVES DUPLICATING OUR PRESENTATION AT SIX AND AGAIN AT SEVEN ON THAT PART. 
          WE WERE GONNA BE HERE WITH YOU TWICE A MONTH ANYWAY. 
          SO I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE ANY DIFFERENT BURDEN ONCE WE GET OUR REPORTS. 
          IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED TO ADD THAT WE HAD A WORKSHOP MEETING ON IT AND THIS WAS THE RESULTS. 
          SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE GONNA BE BURDENING US ANY 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE HERE, BUT WE WILL DO WHATEVER YOU DESIRE. 
          SO FOR THE WORK SESSION, I GUESS I WOULD NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT, WOULD THAT BE A MEETING SPECIFICALLY FOR COMMISSIONERS ONLY? NO PUBLIC, UH, INPUT AT ALL? WOULD THEY BE ABLE, ALLOWED TO ATTEND? I JUST HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT US LOOKING LIKE WE'RE BEING LESS TRANSPARENT AS WE'RE GET GETTING HIGHER AND HIGHER PRO PROFILE CASES THAT KEEPS COMING TO CITY PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL. 
          I DON'T WANT IT TO APPEAR THAT WE ARE RUNNING FROM PUBLIC INPUT AND BEING LESS TRANSPARENT. 
          I MEAN, WHEN I TRY TO FIND OUR MEETINGS NOW ONLINE, IT IS SO DIFFICULT. 
          SO IT'S HAVING AN APPEARANCE THAT WE'RE GOING, GETTING AWAY FROM BEING TRANSPARENT TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS, TO OUR RESIDENTS AND CITIZENS. 
          AND I'M JUST COMPLETELY AGAINST, I CAN SAY I DON'T THINK I'VE HEARD, UH, OTHER THAN WHAT COMMISSIONER BERRY WAS JUST, UH, PUTTING ON THE TABLE ABOUT HOW THE PRIOR COMMISSION, UH, CURRENT STAFF WASN'T, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT PUTTING YOU IN THE BACK. 
          BUT AGAIN, THAT'S COMMISSION'S DESIRE. 
          LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN A LITTLE DEEPER. 
          THE ONLY PERSON THAT WAS IN THE WORK SESSION WAS THE PLANNING MANAGER, NOT THE ENTIRE STAFF AND THE CHAIR, SITTING CHAIR ACTUALLY RAN THE MEETING. 
          AND THE ONLY TIME THAT THE PLANNING STAFF WAS ASKED A QUESTION IS, WAS WE NEEDED AN EXPLANATION. 
          THEY DID NOT PRESENT LIKE WE NORMALLY DO, LIKE WE WERE DOING WHEN I FIRST GOT BACK ON THE COMMISSION. 
          WE KIND OF HANDLED IT OURSELVES AND DISCUSSED IT AMONGST OURSELVES. 
          AND THEN IF WE HAD QUESTIONS WE COULD ASK. 
          AND LIKE YOU SAY, THEY COULD GO GET THE ANSWER OR ADDRESS THE ANSWER IF THEY KNEW. 
          SO I MEAN, IT'S NOT LIKE THE STAFF WAS DOING TWO TOTAL PRESENTATIONS. 
          THE PLANNING, THE PLANNING ZONING CHAIR ACTUALLY RAN THAT MEETING AND, UH, WE, WE ALL DISCUSSED IT, SO IT WASN'T A LOT OF EXTRA ON THE ENTIRE STAFF PLANNING MANAGERS CAME IN AND SAT DOWN AND UH, AND LISTENED AND ANSWERED QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD 'EM. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT WAS A LOT DIFFERENT BACK THEN. 
          UH, JUST ONE MORE QUESTION. 
          UM, AND THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE FOR STAFF, JUST TAKING A LOOK AT TODAY'S AGENDA, WHICH OF THESE ITEMS WOULD BE ON A WORK SESSION VERSUS A REGULAR MEETING? I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD WE BE DOING IN WORK SESSION THAT WE WON'T BE DOING IN REGULAR MEETING. 
          AND AGAIN, I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT SOME OF THE MEMBERS HAD WITH THE CITY MANAGER IN THE BACK. 
          IT WAS BRIEF. 
          IT WAS NOT A DISCUSSION, IT WAS A HEY SUGGESTION. 
          MAYBE YOU ALL COULD USE A SUGGESTION. 
          SO I WOULDN'T CALL IT A DISCUSSION. 
          I THINK IT WAS THROWING OUT AN IDEA AND WE WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON WHAT THE, WHAT THE FIX WAS. 
          WE ACTUALLY WENT OVER THE AGENDA. 
          THE AGENDA WAS THE BLUEPRINT AND THE AGENDA MM-HMM . 
          FOR THE WORK SESSION. 
          AND THEN WE WOULD FINISH EATING AND COME IN AND HOLD THE MEETING. 
          JUST GO BACK OVER THE AGENDA WITH THE PUBLIC. 
          YOU GOOD? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          COMMISSIONER AURORA, ANY THOUGHTS? UM, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO HAVE ANY, BUT IF YOU DO WELL, YEAH, I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, JUST KIND OF TO THE SETTLEMENT OF TRANSPARENCY AND YOU KNOW, FROM OUR TRAINING, I THOUGHT ANY TIME THREE OR MORE OF US MET, WE HAVE TO BE IN PUBLIC. 
          AND SO I JUST, I'M NOT SURE HOW, I GUESS A WORK SESSION LIKE THAT WOULD WORK. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, ANY WORK SESSION IS A PUBLIC MEETING, WHETHER WE HAVE IT IN THE BACK OR NOT. 
          UH, VERY OFTEN BODIES 
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HAVE WORK SESSIONS THAT ARE HELD IN THE CONFERENCE ROOMS. UM, YOU CAN HAVE IT, IT IS JUST OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          OKAY. 
          WHETHER THEY COME OR NOT. 
          IT, IT'S WHATEVER. 
          BUT ANY MEETING BETWEEN YOU ALL IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC UNLESS IT'S AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT THAT WOULD NOT QUALIFY. 
          UM, SO EVEN IF Y'ALL DECIDED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION AGAIN, UM, YOU COULD HAVE IT HERE, YOU COULD HAVE IT THERE, IT WOULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. 
          IT'S THE SAME. 
          UM, AND JUST SINCE I'M ALREADY TALKING, I WILL SAY IF YOU DID DECIDE TO HAVE SOME COMBINATION OF A WORK SESSION, UH, YOU CAN DO AN AGENDA, LIKE HAVE A WORK SESSION AND IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW IN THE CONCLUSION OF THE WORK SESSION. 
          YOU HAVE THE MEETING, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO SAY SIX AND SEVEN. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING YOU CAN DO, UM, TOO. 
          AND MEETINGS DO NOT HAVE TO START AT SIX OR SEVEN. 
          THEY CAN START AT 7 30, 6 30. 
          I MEAN, THOSE AREN'T LIKE THINGS SET IN STONE. 
          SO JUST SINCE I WAS SPEAKING, I'D SAY THOSE THINGS TOO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT, UM, IT'LL COME BACK TO ME IN A SECOND. 
          SORRY. 
          ACTUALLY, CAN YOU GO AHEAD AND I, I FORGOT IT. 
          SO I AM NOT NECESSARILY OPPOSED TO WHAT COMMISSIONER DEBERRY SAID, UH, BUT PERHAPS ON A TRIAL BASIS, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALLOWABLE FOR ONE MONTH, UH, TO SEE IF IT FITS THE BILL. 
          UH, BUT UM, I ALSO WANNA PIGGYBACK ON WHAT SHE SAID. 
          IN TERMS OF TRANSPARENCY, THAT IS CRITICAL. 
          UH, WE DO NOT WANT TO LOSE FOCUS OF, OF OUR COMMITMENT AND OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE STAKEHOLDERS, TO THE CITIZENS OF DESOTO TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW, UH, THAT WE ARE HERE FOR THEM. 
          UH, SO AGAIN, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BERRY SAID, BUT PERHAPS JUST ON A TRIAL BASIS, MAYBE FOR A MONTH TO SEE IF THAT FITS THE BILL. 
          IF NOT, CONTINUE THE WAY THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING. 
          THIS IS MY 2 CENTS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONER BELL. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT REAL SURE OF THE GENESIS OF THIS IDEA. 
          I JUST KNOW IT WAS FIELDED WHILE WE WERE BACK THERE EATING DINNER, RIGHT? UM, PERSONALLY I WOULD PREFER WHO EVER IDEA IT IS TO COME BEFORE US AND MAKE THE CASE FOR THIS IDEA. 
          IT OCCURS TO ME JUST LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER BROOKS, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE TRYING TO FIX SOMETHING, BUT FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS. 
          UM, I DO THINK WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BREAK A LOT OF THINGS BY DOING THIS. 
          NOW. 
          I'LL JUST SAY THE WAY THAT IT'S WORKING NOW, I THINK IT WOULD WORK, BUT I HAVE QUESTIONS LIKE IF WE DO THE WORKING SESSIONS, THE FIRST MEETING AND THE SECOND MEETING, WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. 
          DO WE JUST NOT DO BUSINESS FOR THAT WHOLE MONTH OR HOWEVER MANY CASES THAT MIGHT BE. 
          UM, WHAT ABOUT THE TRANSPARENCY PERCEPTION FOR THE COMMUNITY? IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE WE'VE DECIDED TO HIDE OUR HAND AND GO BACK AND DELIBERATE, AND THEN WE JUST COME OUT HERE AND START RUBBER STAMPING THINGS WITHOUT ANY REAL INPUT, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE WANT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE DEVELOPERS OR THE APPLICANT AND THEY NEED TO COME BACK OR STAFF NEEDS TO GO GET MORE INFORMATION? IS THAT WHOLE MONTH REQUEST ON HOLD NOW AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF THERE'S NO QUORUM, NOW WE GOT TWO MONTHS, WE COULD CREATE A BACKLOG FOR OURSELVES THAT WILL BUILD UP OVER TIME. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S JUST A FEW OF MY CONCERNS. 
          I HAVE MORE, BUT I WON'T BORE YOU WITH THEM. 
          UM, I THINK MY POSITION IS CLEAR. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE IT EXACTLY LIKE IT IS. 
          THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. 
          I WANTED TO JUST HOLD MY COMMENT UNTIL I HEARD ALL OF YOU ALL, AND YOU PRETTY MUCH FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT I DO. 
          MY BIGGEST CONCERN WITH IT IS THE TRANSPARENCY. 
          WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME INTO OUR MEETINGS ACCUSING US OF RUBBER STAMPING THINGS FOR CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT'S NOT HOW WE WORK. 
          WE'RE MAKING OUR OWN DECISIONS BASED ON WHAT WE THINK. 
          BUT I BELIEVE IF WE WENT THAT WAY, IT'S, IT WOULD APPEAR AS THOUGH WE HAVEN'T DONE OUR DUE DILIGENCE. 
          WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REALLY TAKING THESE CASES SERIOUSLY. 
          AND THEN WE'RE JUST COMING OUT AND HEARING A PRESENTATION AND THEN WE DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I'M STILL GONNA WANT TO ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK IN 
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WORKSHOP. 
          I WANT THE CITIZENS TO HEAR THAT WE ARE ASKING THE QUESTIONS AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE THINGS. 
          SO, UM, HOWEVER, I AM OPEN TO A WORKSHOP AND, UM, BUT SO FAR SINCE WE'VE HAD THE CHANGE, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING HAS BEEN WORKING WELL. 
          WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY QUESTIONS THAT STAFF HAS NEEDED TO GO RESEARCH FOR US OR ANYTHING. 
          IT, IT JUST, IT'S WORKING. 
          SO, UM, JUST BASED ON YOUR INPUT, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT WE, UM, CONTINUE OUR MEETINGS AS THEY ARE PRESENTLY. 
          I AGREE. 
          I, I, I AGREE. 
          UH, MR. CHAIR, I, I DO, UH, RECALL, UH, WE WERE APPROACHED, BUT I WAS NOT CONVINCED THAT, UM, THE WAY THAT WE WERE CONDUCTING BUSINESS, UH, THAT THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT WAS BROKEN. 
          SO I, WE DID NOT GET A, A, A TRUE ANSWER AS TO WHY THE PROPOSITION WAS MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          UH, SO I DO CONCUR WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANT TO ADD, UM, I DO RECALL THE QUICK CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD AND I THINK ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS WAS ADDITIONAL TRAINING. 
          AND I THINK IF, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CASES OR LACK OF CASES COME UP AND THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO TRAIN AND THAT CAN BE MADE A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHERE SIMILAR TO WHERE WE HAD OUR TRAINING WHEN WE FIRST, UM, ONBOARDED, BUT, UM, I AGREE, I I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          AS I STATED, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BROKEN. 
          UM, BUT I DO AGREE WITH MR. BELL JUST BECAUSE IT WAS THE CITY MANAGER'S RECOMMENDATION THAT HE FEELS SO STRONGLY. 
          MAYBE HE SHOULD COME HERE AND PRESENT IT TO CITY PLANNING COMMISSION AND HAVE US ASK HIM QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HE THINK THIS IS, HOW THIS CAN BE MORE EFFICIENT, UH, IN THE LONG RUN. 
          MR. DUB, ARE YOU OKAY WITHOUT A WORKSHOP? I'M HAPPY CAMPUS. 
          ALRIGHT, MR. UH, STAFF, UH, WE WILL CONT WE WILL PROCEED AS WE ARE DOING NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [G. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST Discussion will be limited to the following pursuant to Gov't Code 551.0415: (1) Expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolences; (2) information regarding holiday schedules; (3) recognition of an individual; (4) a reminder about upcoming Planning and Zoning events; (5) information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event; and (5) announcements involving an imminent threat to the public health and safety.]
ITEM G ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST DIS DISCUSSION WILL BE LIMITED TO THE FOLLOWING PURSUANT TO GOVERNMENT CODE 5 51 0.0415, EXPRESSIONS OF THANKS, CONGRATULATIONS, OR CONDOLENCES INFORMATION REGARDING HOLIDAY SCHEDULES, RECOGNITION OF AN INDIVIDUAL, A REMINDER ABOUT AN UPCOMING PLANNING AND ZONING EVENT, INFORMATION REGARDING A SOCIAL, CEREMONIAL OR COMMUNITY EVENT AND ANNOUNCEMENTS INVOLVING AN IMMINENT THREAT TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH IN SAFE SAFETY. 
          DO, DO ANY COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANYTHING THAT THEY NEED TO BRING FOR US? EVENING, DR. MARKS, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE THIS EVENING, AS YOU ALWAYS ARE. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EACH OF YOU. 
          I WANTED TO COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING AND DELIVER A PERSONAL THANK YOU TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. 
          I INADVERTENTLY, MR. UH, ANNELL FORGOT TO MENTION THIS AT OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SO I'M HERE TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. 
          BUT I DO WANT TO SAY TO EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY, THANK YOU ALSO VERY MUCH FOR ALWAYS BEING SO SUPPORTIVE. 
          YOU LOOK GREAT, UM, HELPING ME WITH THOSE TOYS AND TAKING THOSE PICTURES. 
          AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS A TOTAL OF NINE TRUCKS FILLED. 
          UH, THERE WERE SEVEN THAT ACTUALLY LEFT LEGACY TOYOTA ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY. 
          HOWEVER, THERE WERE TWO ADDITIONAL TRUCKS DURING THE WEEK. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH. 
          UH, WE SERVED, UM, AND I'M TRYING TO TAKE THIS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. 
          THERE WERE 80, UH, SENIOR RESIDENTS THAT WE MADE SURE THAT THEY RECEIVED SCARFS FOR CHRISTMAS. 
          UH, WE PERSONALLY TOOK THOSE OVER TO THE SENIOR CENTER AND I'M THINKING, UH, MS. BROOKS, YOUR, YOUR MOM WAS THERE AND I THINK SHE WAS BLESSED WITH ONE OF THOSE. 
          SO WE'RE JUST SO GRATEFUL, UH, TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          THERE WERE SO MANY CHILDREN, UH, THAT WE SAW SMILES ON THEIR FACES AND FAMILIES THAT WERE BLESSED. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. 
          WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ENERGY AND YOUR EFFORTS. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
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THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER MARKS, UH, WE ARE ALSO HAPPY TO SEE COUNCIL MEMBER PERT PARKER HERE. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SAY TO THE COMMISSIONER OR JUST VISITING? COME. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARRETTE PARKER. 
          AND AGAIN, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU ALL. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER PERT PARKER, AS WELL AS NICOLE RAPHAEL. 
          PLACE THREE IN PLACE. 
          TWO, WE HAVE AN EVENT TOMORROW THAT'S HAPPENING AT THE GROVE, THE SHOPS OF THE GROVE DESOTO. 
          WE WANNA SEE ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY OUT BECAUSE WE WILL BE TALKING TO YOU ALL. 
          WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU AND WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING HERE. 
          BUT COME ON OUT, COME ON OUT AND BE WITH US AS WELL. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I SAID THAT. 
          HAVE A GOOD EVENING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          DID WE GET A TIME FOR THAT EVENT? OOPS. 
          I CAN GIVE YOU INFORMATION. 
          GREAT INFORMATION. 
          THAT'S FIVE 30 TO SEVEN AND IT'S GOING TO BE AT THE, THE SHOPS OF GROVE DE SOTO ON BELTLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S TOMORROW JANUARY THE 15TH. 
          WILL THERE BE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS ONCE WE COME INSIDE THE SHOPS? WELL, IT'S AT THE FRONT. 
          OH, IT'S AT THE FRONT. 
          IT'S AT THE FRONT. 
          SO WHEN YOU WALK IN THE DOOR. 
          OKAY. 
          IT SHOULD BE RIGHT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, DRAINAGE FEE UPDATE AND TRASH UPDATES, UH, TRASH. 
          UH, AND, AND, AND ALSO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, WE'LL BE THERE TO LISTEN TO THAT AS WELL. 
          OKAY? ALRIGHT. 
          WE'RE HERE FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M ASSUMING THIS IS AN INDOOR EVENT. 
           GIVING YOU A HARD TIME BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR FIRST MEETING WITH US. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
           UH, COMMISSIONERS. 
          I WILL JUST TAKE ONE REMINDER BEFORE WE'LL TAKE A MOTION FOR ADJOURN, JUST REMINDING YOU OF THE PUBLIC MEETING ON THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR THIS THURSDAY. 
          AND FOR MOST OF THOSE 10 AND 6:00 PM ALRIGHT. 
          IF YOU COULD ATTEND, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION, UH, FOR ADJOURN? SO MOVED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT THEN. 
          ALL IN FAVOR, SAY GOODNIGHT. 
          GOODNIGHT. 
          GOODNIGHT.
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