Sep 10, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting

FOR THE RECORD, THE FOLLOWING MEMBERS ARE IN ATTENDANCE.

TO MY RIGHT WE HAVE MR. BELL, MS. CAESAR, MR. DALE, TO MY LEFT WE HAVE MS. BROOKS, MR. GRAHAM, AND MS. DUB AND MR. BERRY, AND LET THE RECORD ALSO REFLECT THAT MR. GRAHAM IS A FULL MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION, HAVING BEEN SWORN IN BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR LAST MEETING.

UH, SO MR. GRAHAM, WELCOME TO YOU, SIR.

I KNOW THERE MAY BE OTHER, UH, THINGS TO SAY ABOUT MR. GRAHAM TOWARD THE END OF OUR MEETING, BUT LET'S PROCEED NOW WITH THE AGENDA

[C. CONSENT AGENDA Any item may be withdrawn from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Approval of the Consent Agenda authorizes the approval of each item in accordance with Staff Recommendations.]

AS PRINTED.

GETTING INTO OUR CONSENT AGENDA, UH, COMMISSIONERS, IT'S TIME FOR OUR CONSIDERATION TO CONSIDER APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR THE PLANNING ZONING REGULAR MEETING OF AUGUST 27TH, 2024.

AGAIN, THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 27TH, 2024.

HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES.

ARE THERE ANY, UH, SUGGESTIONS FOR ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR OTHERWISE MODIFICATIONS? HEARING TO SEND NONE.

IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED.

MR. CHAIR.

BEEN MOVED BY MR. .

SECOND.

BEEN SECONDED BY MS. BROOKS.

IS THERE ANY UN READINESS? SEND NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

SAID AYE.

IS ITEM NUMBER D, CITIZEN APPEARANCES.

THOSE OPPOSED? DO THE SAME, SAY NAY.

AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.

NEXT, UH, AGENDA ITEM

[D. CITIZEN APPEARANCES The Planning and Zoning Commission invites citizens to address the Commissioners on any topic not already scheduled for Public Hearing. Citizens wishing to speak should complete a "Citizen Comment Card" and return it to the table prior to the meeting. In accordance with the Texas Open Meetings Act, the Planning and Zoning Commission cannot take action on items not listed on the agenda. However, your concerns may be addressed by City Staff, placed on a future agenda, or responded to by some other course. Anyone desiring to speak on an item scheduled for a Public Hearing is requested to hold their comments until the Public Hearing on that item]

CITIZEN APPEARANCES IS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, WHERE WE INVITE CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, SO IF THERE'S ANY CITIZEN WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON OUR ITEM THAT IS NOT ON TODAY'S PRINTED AGENDA, THIS WILL BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD.

IF YOU DO WANNA SPEAK, YOU CAN SPEAK FIRST, BUT JUST SEE MR. TRENT CARROLL, WHO SEATED TO MY LEFT NEXT TO THE DOOR WITH HIS HAND UP AND FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AS WELL.

'CAUSE WE WANNA MEMORIALIZE, UH, YOUR POSITION OR WILL EVER ISSUE YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK DURING OUR CITIZEN, UH, APPEARANCE PORTION OF THE AGENDA? I WILL ASK AGAIN, ARE THERE ANY CITIZENS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE CITIZEN APPEARANCE PORTION OF OUR AGENDA? ALRIGHT, HEARING

[1. Conduct Public Hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council for the applicant's request to rezone parts of Tracts 28 & 42 in the Jeptha May Survey, Abstract 860 (804 Kirnwood Drive) from existing zoning of Office-1 (O-1) to a new Planned Development (PD) with base zoning of Multiple Family (MF) with four requested deviations. The applicant is Masterplan and the property owner is Baron Funding LLC (Case # Z-1523-24)]

IS C AND NONE.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO AGENDA ITEM E, WHICH IS OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

AND WITH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL SAY THE SAME THING.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY ONE OF 'EM.

WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS THIS EVENING, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY ONE OF THE THREE, UH, MR. CARROLL TO MY LEFT, UH, YOUR RIGHT, HE HAS COMMENT CARDS.

IF YOU WILL, FILL OUT THOSE COMMENT CARDS.

EVERY INDIVIDUAL, EXCEPT FOR THE APPLICANT WILL GET AT LEAST THREE MINUTES, UH, TO STATE YOUR POSITION, EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION.

BUT AGAIN, WE NEED YOU TO FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD.

WE WILL PREFER THAT YOU DO IT BEFORE YOU SPEAK, UH, BUT CERTAINLY BEFORE YOU LEAVE.

UH, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, MR. BREWER, I SEE YOU HAVE ALREADY TAKEN YOUR POSITION.

SO LET ME READ OUR FIRST PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REZONE PARTS OF TRACKS TWO B, UH, OR 28, EXCUSE ME, AND 42 IN THE JTA MAY SURVEY.

THIS IS ABSTRACT EIGHT 60, UH, 8 0 4.

KERN WOOD DRIVE IS THE ADDRESS FROM EXISTING ZONING OF OFFICE 1 0 1 TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD WITH BAY ZONING OF MULTIFAMILY ML WITH FOUR REQUESTED DEVIATIONS.

THE APPLICANT IS MASTER PLAN AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS BAREN FUNDING LLC.

AND THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1 5 2 3 DASH TWO FOUR.

UH, GOOD EVENING TO YOU, MR. BREWER.

AND MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT, PLEASE? GOOD EVENING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CASE IS ACTUALLY THE THIRD APPLICATION THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SENT TO US.

IT'S ONLY COME TO YOU ONE OTHER TIME, AND THAT WAS IN 2022, AT WHICH TIME THE P AND Z SUPPORTED THE APPLICANT'S SUBMITTED APPLICATION REQUEST.

UH, IT DID GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND IT WAS DENIED BY FOUR THREE VOTE THE SECOND TIME THE APPLICANT SUBMITTED, EXCUSE ME, UM, CHAIR, UH, COULD YOU LET THEM KNOW THERE ARE MONITORS OR NOT ON IT? AND MS. JORDAN WILLIAMS, IF YOU COULD, YOU COULD WORK ON THAT, MR. BREWER, YOU CAN PROCEED.

UH, AND MS. JORDAN WILLIAMS, IF YOU CAN GET OUR MONITORS AS WORKING AS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

GO AHEAD, MS. BREWER.

TO EXTEND, UM, WEST MO IN THE CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS AT THE SOUTHERN END OF DALE, TAKING IT NORTH TO, UM, COCH HILL.

SO INDICATED, UH, THE FIRST APPLICATION, UH, CAME THROUGH THE CITY IN 2022 THAT THE COMMISSION APPROVED IT, IT WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

A MOTION WAS MADE RECOMMENDING DENIAL, THAT RECOMMENDATION DENIAL VOTE PASSED BY VOTE OF FOUR THREE.

THE APPLICANT LATER SUBMITTED A SECOND APPLICATION,

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BUT STOPPED THE PROCESS.

UH, BEFORE WE, UH, GOT BACK TO YOU, THEY WANTED TO DO SOME MORE DUE DILIGENT WORK WITH THEIR NEIGHBOR, THE DALLAS BEHAVIOR HOSPITAL.

THEY WERE ALSO WORKING ON THAT SECOND EXIT AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.

SO NOW WE HAVE IT BEFORE YOU, UH, WHICH IS YOUR OFFICIAL SECOND TIME, AND I'LL GO THROUGH MY PRESENTATION.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, UH, SITE MAP, UH, THE LOCATION IS ALONG, UH, NORTH OF DANIELDALE ROAD, WHICH YOU MAY NOT CAN SEE ABOUT MY CURSOR, BUT YOU CAN SEE IT ON THIS MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

IT IS EAST OF BOLTON BOONE.

AND THIS IS, UH, KERN WOOD.

UH, HERE IN THE CORNER IS THE DALLAS BEHAVIOR HOSPITAL.

WHILE THIS MAP SHOWS IT ALMOST LIKE A FLAG SHAPE, IT IS TRULY LIKE A U SHAPE.

YOU HAVE PROPERTY THAT'S OWNED HERE, WHICH IS A CURRENT ENTRANCE, AND THEY ACTUALLY OWN THIS PROPERTY HERE.

I'LL SHOW YOU LATER IN A SURVEY MAP, BUT IT'S THE PROPERTY HERE GOING AROUND HERE AND GOING UP.

I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IN CASE YOU WERE JUST INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT SCHOOL DISTRICT, UM, WAS GONNA BE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS.

UM, BUT IN REALITY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROPOS THEY'RE PROPOSING A AGE RESTRICTED.

UH, SO I'M NOT SURE HOW HEAVY AN IMPACT IT WILL HAVE ON THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, BUT I STILL WANTED YOU TO SEE THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE, UH, DALLAS SCHOOL DISTRICT, UH, ACROSS FROM BOLTON BOONE IS THE DUNCANVILLE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE SURVEY BOUNDARY MAP THAT I WAS REFERRING TO EARLIER.

THIS DEFINITIVELY SHOWS THAT THEY ACTUALLY OWN THIS PROPERTY THAT GOES ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THE DALLAS BEHAVIOR HOSPITAL.

SO IT'S ALMOST LIKE A, UH, UPSIDE DOWN H IF YOU WANNA KIND OF LOOK AT IT FROM REFERENCE WISE.

BUT THE ONLY ENTRANCE PHYSICALLY IS COMING OFF OF KERN WOOD, THE DRIVEWAY ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

ON THE LEFT, YOU SEE THE ZONING, UH, CURRENTLY ZONE OH ONE, UH, THE BEHAVIOR HOSPITAL HAS IT OWN SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND, UH, ADJACENT TO IT ON BOTH SIDES, OUR PDS AND BOTH OF THOSE ARE AGE RESTRICTED, UH, APARTMENT COMPLEXES.

YOU SEE NOTHING ON THE RIGHT AND NOTHING NORTH BECAUSE THOSE ARE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE CITY OF DALLAS ON THE, UH, RIGHT YOU WILL SEE WE DID OUR REQUIREMENT BY THE, UH, STATE TEXAS LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE AND THE CITY ZONING REGULATIONS.

UH, THE PROPERTY REQUESTING TO REZONE, UH, AGAIN, IS IN BLACK.

AND I, AGAIN, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE IS A TAIL ON THIS RIGHT SIDE THAT GOES UP.

BUT THE PROPERTY IN BLACK, THE BLUE SHADED AREA IS THE CITY'S MEETING.

ITS STATE AND LOCAL REQUIREMENT TO SEND PROPERTY NOTICES OUT TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 200 FEET OF EVERY, UH, CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY.

AND THE PURPLE IS THE CITY COUNCIL'S, UH, REZONING OF THE REGULATIONS THAT REQUIRE STAFF TO SEND OUT COURTESY NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WHO OWN PROPERTY BETWEEN 200 FEET AND 400 FEET OF THE PROPERTY.

UH, AS OF THE WRITING OF THE REPORT, STAFF ONLY RECEIVED ONE LETTER BACK, AND THAT LETTER WAS ACTUALLY BACK FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO WAS IN SUPPORT OF HIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST DID NOT RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM THE BEHAVIOR HOSPITAL AS WE DID BEFORE.

UM, JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE MAP ON THE LAP ON THE LEFT IS THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

UH, THIS PROPERTY MAY BE HARD TO SEE, BUT UP HERE IN THIS VERY CORNER IN BLUE, IT ACTUALLY IS THE BEHA HOSPITAL.

BUT FROM KERN WOOD, ALL THE WAY OVER PAST, UM, BOLTON BOONE IS THAT GOLD SHADED AREA.

AND THIS IS WHERE THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED.

AND IF YOU GO DOWN TO THE LEGEND, THE GOLD PROPERTY IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

SO THIS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST IS TRULY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S NEW COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

UH, I'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGES ON THE, UH, LEFT THE DEL DETAILED DESCRIPTION OF HIGH DENSITY.

WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT APARTMENTS, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HIGH DENSITY.

SO AGAIN, IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE 20 25, 20 24 COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.

I'VE ALSO INCLUDED, UH, THE 2024 TRANSPORTATION FRAMEWORK PLAN, OR SOME PEOPLE CALL IT THE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

UM, I MEAN RAFA PLAN, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR PRIOR, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

'CAUSE AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE NOW SHOWED IN THIS KIND OF A, I GUESS, PURPLISH COLOR, THAT'S BOLTON BOONE.

IT IS, UH, SHOWN TO BE A FOUR LANE NORTH SOUTH ROAD CONNECTING DANIELDALE TO, UH, COCKER HILL.

AND WHAT'S DIFFERENT ALSO IS THEY ARE PROJECTING

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SO AT SOME POINT, IF THE CITY UNDERTAKES THAT PROJECT, IT WOULD GO ALONG THE EAST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT'S BEING REQUESTED TO BE REZONED.

BUT WHEN AND IF THAT HAPPENS, IT'S, WE DON'T KNOW, BUT I WANTED TO JUST INCLUDE THIS TO YOU JUST TO SEE WHAT THE NEW 2014 COMPREHENSIVE THOROUGHFARE TRANSPORTATION PLAN IDENTIFIES.

WHAT ARE THE FOUR DEVIATIONS? THE FOUR DEVIATIONS THAT THE APPLICANT REQUESTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE ARE FIRST ONES REQUESTING A DEVIATION FOR SECTION 24.4 E PARKING REGULATIONS REQUEST DEVIATION TO HAVE NO ENCLOSED GARAGES, AND 100% COVERED PARKING SPACES, A TOTAL OF 313 INSTEAD OF WHAT'S REQUIRED BY THE, UH, SECTION 24 MULTIFAMILY OF THE CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE THAT IDENTIFIES FOR A MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE AT THIS TIME 50% ENCLOSED, WHICH WILL BE GARAGE AND 50% COVERED.

UH, AND SO HE IS PROPOSING 100%, UH, COVERED AND THAT'S WHY HE'S REQUESTING THE DEVIATION HERE.

DEVIATION NUMBER TWO, REQUESTING A DEVIATION FROM SECTION 24.5 A FOR REFUGE FACILITIES.

REQUEST DEVIATION IS TO HAVE A TRASH COMPACTOR LOCATED WITHIN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY AND PROVIDE CONCIERGE PICKUP SERVICE TO ALL RESIDENTS INSTEAD OF AS REQUIRED BY THE REGULATIONS HAVING TRASH CONTAINERS LOCATED WITHIN 250 FEET OF THE MULTIFAMILY DWELLING STRUCTURE.

UH, YOU WILL ALSO SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, UH, WHEN THEY CAME TO YOU IN 2022, THEY WERE PROPOSING THEIR TRASH COMPACTOR TO BE UP THERE AT THE VERY ENTRANCE OFF OF, OF KERN WOOD DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE BEHAVIOR HOSPITAL.

BUT AS SHOWN HERE, AND AS YOU SEE ON THE SITE PLAN, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THAT OR MAKE IT MORE, UH, LESS OF A NUISANCE, UH, TO THE HOSPITAL AND TO THE RESIDENTS WHO PASS THROUGH THEIR DAILY, THEY PUT IT IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, THE NEXT DEVIATION SECTION 24.68 SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS REQUEST DEVIATION FOR BUILDING LENGTHS TO EXCEED 200 SQUARE FEET.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, THE TOTAL LENGTH OF EVERY SIDE IS GREATER THAN 200.

THAT REGULATION SAYS THE BUILDING CAN ONLY BE TWO HUNDREDS.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING THIS DEVIATION.

AND THE LAST DEVIATION REQUEST IS DEALING WITH THE ROOF PITCH SECTION 24 POINT, UM, SIX.

I REQUEST DEVIATIONS DO NOT HAVE A SPECIFIC ROOF PITCH.

THIS SECTION ESTABLISHES THAT ALL MUD FAMILY DWELLINGS SHALL HAVE ROOF'S PITCHES WITH A MINIMUM PITCH OF FOUR TO 12.

UH, IN 2022, I HAD MY BUILDING OFFICIAL TO COME JOIN US TO HELP GIVE YOU AN UNDERSTANDING THAT HOW THIS IS THE STANDARD PRACTICE TO HAVE THESE COMMERCIAL FLAT TYPES ROOFS.

I'LL HAVE AN ILLUSTRATION TO AGAIN SUPPORT THAT, BUT THIS IS STANDARD AND STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS.

DEVIATION REQUEST CHANGES FROM THE INITIAL SUBMITTED ZONING APPLICATION IN 2022.

ALL PARKING SPACES ARE COVERED NOW.

THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY PARKING SPACES LOCATED DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE DALLAS BEHAVIOR HOSPITAL.

A USER AGREEMENT WAS EXECUTED BETWEEN THE PROPERTY OWNER BARRON FUNDING AND TEXAS LIFE PROPERTIES IN ORDER FOR THE TEXAS LIFE PROPERTIES TO CONTINUE TO HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS TO THE REAR OF THEIR FACILITY TO EVACUATE THE PATIENTS, EMPLOYEES, CONTRACTORS, AND GUESTS, ET CETERA.

SECONDARY ACCESS AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY'S FIRE DEPARTMENT, WILL BE PROVIDED BY A SEPARATE 40 FOOT DRIVEWAY TO ALSO CONNECT TO KERN WOOD IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR THE TWO POINTS OF REQUIREMENT THAT OUR FIRE MARSHAL IS INDICATED, BOTH AT THE ENTRANCE FOR EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT.

THE 40 FOOT DRIVEWAY WILL BE EMERGENCY EXIT ONLY WITH A LOCK BOX.

SO IT WILL NOT BE OPEN FOR PEOPLE TO USE.

IT WILL ONLY BE THERE FOR THAT EMERGENCY SITUATION.

THE PROPOSED TRASH COMPACTOR HAS BEEN MOVED AND RELOCATED AWAY FROM THE DALLAS BEHAVIOR HOSPITAL TO THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.

AND AN INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC ANALYSIS WAS OBTAINED.

AND IT SUPPORTS DEVELOPMENTS PROPOSED DENSITY OF 17.9 UNITS PER ACRE WITH THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS TO BE IN 18 UNITS PER ACRE IN YOUR PACKAGES.

I NOT ONLY INCLUDED THAT STUDY AGAIN WHEN YOU SAW IT, BUT FIRST THE STUDY DID NOT EXIST.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU AS A COMMISSION ESTABLISHED THAT PRIOR TO WHETHER IT'S A CERTIFICATE OF ACCURACY, BUT PRIOR TO A CERTAIN POINT, THEY WERE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.

SO FROM 2022, THEY PROCEEDED IN APRIL OF 2023 TO HAVE THEIR, UH, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER TO CONDUCT A STUDY.

AND IT PARTICULARLY STUDIED THE INTERSECTION OF BOLTON BOONE AND KERN WOOD.

UH,

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WHICH STAFF HAD A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT WAS GONNA BE THE IMPACT WITH THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT THERE AND ALSO WITH THEIR ENTRANCE THAT CONNECTED ONTO KERN WOOD SINCE THAT TIME.

AND, AND THAT STUDY IDENTIFIED THAT, UM, NO ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS WOULD BE NEEDED BECAUSE OF THAT PARTICULAR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT SINCE THAT TIME.

AND ALSO IN YOUR PACKAGE, UH, THEY HAD THEIR ENGINEER ON JUNE THE 27TH TO DO A COMPARISON STUDY.

THE TRIP GENERATION COMPARISON WAS TO EVALUATE A MARKET STUDY MULTIFAMILY, WHICH IS NOT AGE RESTRICTED VERSUS AN AGE RESTRICTED, UH, UNIT.

AND IN THEIR COMPARISON, BASED ON THE TRIP GENERATION ESTIMATES, THE PROPOSED 171 UNIT MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT IS PREDICTED TO ACTUALLY GENERATE 652 FEWER TRIPS DURING THE DAY.

42 FEWER TRIPS DURING THE AM PEAK HOUR AND 51 FEWER TRIPS DURING THE PM PEAK IF DEVELOPED AS AN AGE RESTRICTED FACILITY RATHER THAN A TYPICAL MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT, AN AGE RESTRICTED FACILITY WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 45% OF THE TRIPS THAT A TYPICAL MARKET RATE MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT WOULD.

SO WITH THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IN 2023 SAYING NO IMPROVEMENTS, THEY PROVIDED ANOTHER, UM, REPORT FROM A THIRD PARTY ENGINEERING COMPANY THAT IDENTIFIED IF IT'S AGE RESTRICTED, IT IS PROJECTED TO HAVE EVEN LESS, UH, TRIPS GENERATED BY THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY.

THE BUILDING AND PARKING SUMMARY, THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS ARE DESIGNED TO BE A THREE STORY WRAPPED URBAN WRAPPED WITH A SWIMMING POOL AND COMMUNITY AREA LOCATED IN THE CENTER OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

THIS MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT SITE WILL BE AGE RESTRICTED 55 YEARS AND OLDER AND CONTAIN 171 DWELLING UNITS.

WITH THIS PROPERTY BEING 9.547 ACRES, 171 DWELLING UNITS EQUATES TO 17.91 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH AGAIN ESTABLISHES AT 18 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE FOR MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

SOME OF THE PACIFICS ABOUT THE, UH, BEDROOMS, ALL OF THE ONE BEDROOMS WILL BE 800 SQUARE FEET, AND THIS WILL CONSIST OF 116 UNITS.

THERE ARE TWO BEDROOM UNITS WILL BE 950 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, AND THIS WILL BE 55 UNITS.

BOTH OF THOSE SQUARE FOOTAGE, ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, AND I'M MULTIFAMILY FOR, UH, APARTMENT UNITS.

SO IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SIZE.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT ASKING A DEVIATION FROM THAT REQUEST.

USING THAT INFORMATION, UH, THAT SECTION OF THE MU FAMILY ESTABLISHES THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IS 313 AND THEIR PROPOSAL IS PROPOSING 313.

UH, THE DEVIATION REQUEST AGAIN IS GOING TO BE WHETHER IT'S COVERED OUR GARAGE OR OPEN.

AND AGAIN, OUR REGULATIONS RIGHT NOW SAYS 50% COVERED AND 50% ENCLOSED.

AND WITH THIS BEING A PD, THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO REQUEST A DEVIATION REQUEST, AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING TO YOU.

BUT THEY MEET THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, EVEN WITH DELETING ALL OF THE PARKINGS SPACES ON THE SOUTH SIDE DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE HOSPITAL.

THE COMMUNITY OF AMENITIES WILL INCLUDE A COVERED PORSCHE CONCIERGE ENTRY INTO A MODERN 7,800 SQUARE FEET OFFICE, AMENITY CENTER, FULLY LANDSCAPED COURTYARD COMMUNITY AREA WITH A LARGE SWIMMING POOL, BICYCLE PARK, CONCIERGE, TRASH PICKUP, PATIOS AND BALCONIES AND RESIDENTIAL LOUNGES ON THE SECOND FLOOR, THE UNIT AMENITIES WILL INCLUDE A FULLY EQUIPPED KITCHEN, REFRIGERATOR, OVEN, A MICROWAVE, GARAGE DISPOSAL, GARAGE, GARBAGE DISPOSAL, UM, I SAID IT WRONG, UH, DISHWASHER, WASHER MACHINE AND DRYER.

AND I'LL ALSO SHOW YOU ON THE, UH, SITE PLAN.

THEY'RE PROPOSING A WALKING TRAIL AROUND THE DETENTION POND, UH, TO, TO GIVE RESIDENTS A, A AREA TO WALK ACCESS TO.

AND FROM KERN WOOD DRIVE, AGAIN, THERE'S ONLY ONE DRIVEWAY THAT PROVIDES ACCESS TO AND FROM THIS PROPERTY, FROM KERN WOOD.

AND AS WE IDENTIFIED IN 2022, NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

THE SOUTHERN END OF WESTMORELAND ROAD IN THE CITY OF DALLAS, CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS AT THE SOUTHERN END OF THE METHODIST CARLTON MEDICAL CENTER AND THE NORTHERN END OF NORTHWEST MALL IN THE CITY OF DE DESOTO, CURRENTLY DEAD ENDS AT WEST DANIELDALE ROAD.

UH, I'VE INCLUDED THIS SLIDE AGAIN, WHICH I INCLUDED WITH YOUR LAST PRESENTATION, JUST TO IDENTIFY THE AUTHORITY THAT'S BEEN GIVEN TO OUR FIRE MARSHAL ON HOW, WHICH ALLOWS HIM

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TO BE ABLE TO DICTATE THAT TWO POINTS OF ACCESS ARE REQUIRED.

SO NOTHING HAS CHANGED HERE.

AND, UH, WHEN WE HAD OUR LAST DRC MEETING TO DISCUSS THIS PROJECT, UM, THE PROPOSED, UH, 40 FOOT SEPARATE ENTRANCE AT THE ENTRANCE WAS ACCEPTABLE TO THE FIRE MARSHAL.

OKAY, SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN.

SOME OF THE THINGS I WANNA HIGHLIGHT TO YOU, I'LL, I'LL POINT THEM OUT.

THIS IS THE SAME SINGLE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE ARE GONNA BE FOR ALL OF THE RESIDENTS AND THEIR GUESTS ENTERING, EXITING THE FACILITY.

UH, DIRECTLY EAST OF THAT IS GONNA BE THIS RESTRICTED GATE CLOSED CONTROLLED BY NOTCH BOX 40 FOOT WIDE FIRE LANE EXCESS, UH, IN INTEREST ONLY I'M SHOWING YOU NOW, UH, YOU SEE THIS DOTTED AREA, THAT'S WHERE PREVIOUSLY THEY WERE PROPOSING TO PUT PARKING SPACES.

UH, ONE OF THE, UH, ITEMS EXPRESSED BY THE HOSPITAL REPRESENTATIVE WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVING PEOPLE THAT CLOSE TO THEIR FACILITY, NOISE CARS AND ET CETERA.

AND THEY HAVE COME BACK AND SHOWED US A PRODUCT THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE HOSPITAL.

WE WON'T HAVE ANY PARKING SPACES THERE WHATSOEVER.

UM, THIS SHOWS THE URBAN WRAP DESIGN.

UH, IF YOU MEASURE ANY OF THE LENS, YOU'LL SEE EXCEEDS 200, UH, LINEAR FEED.

SO THAT'S WHY THEY REQUESTED DEVI DEVIATION.

YOU'LL SEE THESE X CROSSING OVER ALL OF THE PARKING STALLS, AND THAT'S THAT THEIR DEVIATION TO IT.

THAT'S A DELINEATION TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE HAVING 100% COVERED PARKING OVER EVERY SINGLE SPACE WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT SITE.

SIGHT IN THE FAR SOUTHEAST CORNER.

I'M POINTING TO YOU NOW WHERE THE TRASH COMPACTOR WILL BE LOCATED.

WHEN IT CAME TO YOU IN 2022, IT WAS ACTUALLY UP HERE AT THE FRONT.

UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN EXPRESSED ABOUT THE SMELL, THE NUISANCE, UH, BEING RIGHT NEXT TO THE BEHAVIOR HOSPITAL.

AND EVEN FOR PEOPLE COMING IN AND THEIR GUESTS, THEY HAVE TO SMELL THE TRASH, BUT IT'S IN THE FARS EAST CORNER.

UM, WE ARE IN MS FOUR MUNICIPAL STORM SEPARATE SEWER SYSTEM, WHICH MEANS WE AS A CITY ARE MANDATED TO ENSURE THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT PROJECT OVER ONE ACRE SIZE ADDRESSES PRE VERSUS POST CONSTRUCTION RUNOFF.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THAT AFTER THE DEVELOPMENT SITE AND THEY COME IN AND DO ALL THE BUILDING, ALL THE PARK CONCRETE PARKING LOT, UH, THE COVERED, UH, UH, CARPORT AREAS THAT WHEN THAT RUNOFF LEAVES THIS PROPERTY, IT'S GONNA BE NO GREATER THAN WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS UNDEVELOPED WITH GRASS AND TREES IN IT.

THAT IS WHY WE DON'T DICTATE WHETHER IT'S A DRY OR WET POND, WHETHER IT'S A RETENTION OR DETENTION POND, WE JUST SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE IT THERE TO CONTROL YOUR STORM WATER RUNOFF HERE, THERE SHOWING A WALK AROUND WALKING TRAIL THAT'S GONNA GO UP THEIR PROPERTY ALL THE WAY UP TO, UM, NEAR KERN WOOD AND THEY'RE SHOWING A SCREENING FENCE TO HELP PROTECT THEIR, THEIR RESIDENTS.

UH, BUT THAT'S THE DEVELOPMENT SITE IN ITSELF.

NEXT DRAWING IS, IS IS THE LANDSCAPING THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

UH, THIS EVEN GIVES YOU A BETTER VIEW OF THE, THEIR OPEN SPACE AND THEIR WALKING TRAIL THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE.

SWIMMING POOL IN THE VERY MIDDLE, SIMILAR FACADE, BASIC, UH, THREE STORY.

AND, UH, THIS JUST GIVES YOU ONE VIEW, BUT AGAIN, AS WE KNOW, UH, STAFF HAS INFORMED YOU BEFORE BECAUSE OF, UH, UH, ACTION BY THE STATE.

THE CITY CAN'T GET INTO DICTATING THE FACADE SIDING OF A STRUCTURE IF IT MEETS THE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS.

UM, IT'S IN COMPLIANCE AND WE WILL MAKE SURE IT OCCURS TO THAT.

BUT WE'RE STILL GIVING YOU A, WE REQUESTED 'EM TO GIVE A REDI RENDITION OF THEIR ELEVATION REVIEW BECAUSE WE DO INCLUDE THE ELEVATION, THE LANDSCAPING, AND THE CONCEPT PLAN WITH THE PD.

UM, WHEN IT GOES TO COUNCIL, THIS IS A REPEAT, UM, ILLUSTRATION THAT I GOT FROM MY BUILDING OFFICIAL TO HELP ILLUSTRATE KIND OF WHAT A FLAT ROOF IS, BUT THIS IS A STANDARD FLAT TOP ROOF.

AND AS HE EXPRESSED TO Y'ALL DURING YOUR, YOUR MEETING IN 2022, THIS IS STANDARD PRACTICE AND HE DIDN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THIS AT ALL.

THIS PROPERTY, AGAIN, IS LOCATED IN THIS TOP CORNER OF THIS BLUE AREA HERE, AND THIS IS DEEMED AS PLACE FOUR.

AND THE COUNCIL PERSON REPRESENTED, UM, OH, I GOT THE WRONG WORDS UP THERE.

I KIND OF COPIED FROM ANOTHER SLIDE.

THIS IS COUNCILPERSON, NOT MAYOR PROT ANDRE BIRD.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

THAT'D BE CORRECT BEFORE I GO TO THE COUNCIL.

SO WITH THE CITY'S 2024 COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN SHOWING THIS PROPERTY TO BE HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL STAFF RECOMMENDS AS THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

A REZONED PAR

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SUBTRACTS 28 AND 42 IN THE ZPA MAY SURVEY ABSTRACT FOUR 80 ADDRESSES, 8 0 4 KERN WOOD DRIVE FROM EXISTING OH ONE OFFICE TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING OF MULTIFAMILY WITH THE FOUR REQUESTED DEVIATIONS AS PRESENTED.

THE APPLICANT ALSO HAS A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION TO GIVE TO YOU.

THEY ARE REPRESENTED HERE.

I'D BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FROM STAFF.

THANK YOU MR. BREWER.

MR. BELL, I SEE YOU HAVE A QUESTION.

GO AHEAD.

GOOD EVENING, MR. BREW.

GOOD EVENING, SIR.

UH, THIS QUESTION IS WITH REGARD TO THE BUILDING LENGTH DEVIATION REQUEST.

LOOKING AT THE AERIAL MAP, I'M SEEING WHAT LOOKS TO BE LIKE LENGTHS ALONG THE SECTION, DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE BUILDING.

SO I'M WONDERING IS, IS ARE THESE NOT SEPARATE SECTIONS? ARE THEY JUST, UH, COUNTED AS A CONTIGUOUS PIECE? CONTINUOUS OF BUILDING? CONTINUOUS.

THIS IS GONNA BE, AS THEY CALL URBAN WRAP, FULLY WRAPPED, TOTALLY ENCLOSED.

YOU'LL HAVE TO GO TO A SPECIAL DOOR TO GET INSIDE IF YOU'RE NOT PARTICULARLY A, A UH, GUEST.

THAT WAS IT.

THIS MS. BROOKS AND THEN MS. CAESAR SEASON.

UM, GOOD EVENING.

HOW ARE YOU, MR. BREWER? GREAT.

GREAT.

UM, AS FAR AS THE NOTIFICATION, THE BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL THAT'S ADJACENT TO IT, YOU SAY THEY DID NOT RESPOND TO THE NOTIFICATION? CORRECT.

ARE WE TO ASSUME WITH THAT AGREEMENT THAT WAS PUT IN PLACE THAT THEY SU STILL SUPPORT THIS? I KNOW SOME CONCESSIONS WERE MADE LAST TIME REGARDING PRIVACY, UH, THAT THEY'D WORKED OUT.

WE, WE TRULY CANNOT IDENTIFY THEIR POSITION POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE.

WE JUST KNOW WE, UH, DID COMPLY SEND OUT THE NOTICES.

WE DO KNOW AND WE HAVE A COPY OF, THEY EXECUTED A USER AGREEMENT WITH THEM BACK IN 23 TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS.

THEY, THE FIRE LANE THAT EXISTS NOW GOES THROUGH THE PROPERTY AND GOES HERE, AND THAT IS THE PROPERTY OF THE, UM, MULTIFAMILY APARTMENT.

BUT TRULY KNOWING THEIR POSITION, WE CAN ONLY GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF NOTIFICATION WE HAVEN'T HEARD OTHERWISE.

SO WHAT'S THE AGREEMENT SIGNED BEFORE THE SECOND APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED? WAS THAT AGREEMENT BASED ON THE INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE FIRST APPLICATION? THE DATE OF THE AGREEMENT IS JUNE THE 14TH, 2023.

SO IT CAME AFTER THE VERY FIRST SUBMITTAL, WHICH WAS IN 2022.

AND THE APP, THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED, THIS APPLICATION WAS DONE IN 2024.

OH, ONE MORE QUESTION REAL QUICK REGARDING, UH, BOLTON BOONE.

I KNOW THE THIRD FAIR PLAN LISTED AS A FOUR LANE ROADWAY.

WHAT IS THE C CURRENT, UM, ROADWAY EXISTING? IS IT TWO LANES? CURRENTLY? A TWO LANE ASPHALT CURBLESS STREET.

AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DIDN'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS DEVELOPMENT SHOULD EXPEDITE THE BUILDING OF THAT ROADWAY? NO.

ALL, ALL I CAN INDICATE IS WHEN WE HAD OUR COUPLE OF DRC MEETINGS, IT WAS NOT BROUGHT UP.

THIS SUSAN AND MR. GRAHAM? GOOD EVENING, MR. BREWER.

GOOD EVENING, MA'AM.

UM, JUST PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT MY COLLEAGUE WAS SAYING ABOUT THE, UH, COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL AND THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, I GUESS I'M ASKING DO WE KNOW IF THEY ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH ONE ANOTHER? BECAUSE I DO KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME CONTENTION WHEN THIS WAS BROUGHT TO US BEFORE, AGAIN, ALL STAFF CAN SAY IS WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM NEITHER TELEPHONE CALL OR RESPONSE BY THE EMAIL, UH, OF THE PROCESS.

SECOND THING IS, WITH THIS BEING A THREE STORY, UM, DEVELOPMENT AND 55 YEAR AND UP AGE BRACKET, DO WE KNOW IF THERE ARE ELEVATORS IN THESE BUILDINGS? ARE THEY, UH, SLOTTED FOR ELEVATORS? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION YOU CAN ASK THE APPLICANT.

ASK THE APPLICANT.

THIRD THING IS ON THE LOCK BOX, THE EMERGENCY LOCK BOX, WHAT TYPE OF, UH, ACCESS WOULD THE EMERGENCY PERSONNEL HAVE TO GET INTO THAT? I'M SURE NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS, BUT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL HAVE ACCESS.

I THINK THEY HAVE A KEY TO GET IN THERE, A KEY, BUT THEY CONTROL THAT.

50% ENCLOSED GARAGE, AND THE REMAINING 50% COVERED, THEY ARE REQUESTING A DEVIATION TO DO 100% COVERED, COVERED FOR THE ENTIRE 313, WHICH THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO REQUEST BY THE FACT IT'S A PD.

AND THEN ON THE, UH, 50% GARAGES, AND WE'RE ASKING FOR A DEVIATION OF JUST COMPLETE COVERED NO.

50% IN ACCORDANCE WITH CORRECT.

THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY OPEN STALLS.

THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY ENCLOSED STALL.

OUR REGULATION SAYS 50%,

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THANK YOU MR. BOER.

THANK YOU GR THANK YOU.

UH, QUICK QUESTION, UH, IS STAFF, UH, AGREEING WITH THE DEVIATIONS? YES.

CAN YOU TELL ME IN THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY WHY WE HAVE THE, UH, 50 50 WITH 50 BEING FOR PARKING, BEING ENCLOSED? NO, I CAN'T.

THAT OCCURRED PRIOR TO MY JOINING THE CITY, I JOINED THE CITY MARCH OF 2022.

SO THAT COUNCIL AT THAT TIME ARE THE ONES WHO MADE THOSE REGULATIONS.

AND STAFF IS OKAY WITH THE DEVIATION OF SWITCHING IT TO A HUNDRED? YES.

EVEN THOUGH IT'S A 55 PLUS COMMUNITY? YES.

NEXT QUESTION IS, UH, IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REASON WE'RE CALLING THIS AN URBAN, UM, URBAN WRAP WHEN A THREE STORY MULTIFAMILY PROJECT SHOULD BE CALLED A GARDEN STYLE COMMUNITY? I'LL AGAIN ASK YOU ON THAT QUESTION IF YOU COULD ASK THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE THAT IS THE TERMINOLOGY THAT THEY USED.

THEN I'LL, I'LL WAIT TILL THE APPLICANT.

MM-HMM.

MR. ? YES.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. BREWER.

GOOD EVENING, SIR.

UH, JUST CLARIFICATION ON, BOTH OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ASKED ABOUT THE PARKING.

UM, WHY IS STAFF IN SUPPORT OF 100% COVERED PARKING? IT DOES PROVIDE, UM, A COVERED PROTECTION OVER THE VEHICLE AND STAFF WAS NOT, AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING OR A PART OF THE 50 50 DECISION, BUT WE ARE FINE WITH THE, UH, 100% COVERED SO THAT EACH VEHICLE WILL AT LEAST HAVE SOMETHING OVER IT.

THE SECOND QUESTION IS RELATIVE TO THE 200 FOOT DEVIATION, IF I RE IT IS CONFIRMED, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE REASON THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT IS BECAUSE OF A MATERIAL THAT THEY'RE USING OR THEY'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, FIRE BARRIERS SO MANY FEET.

AND IF THAT IS CORRECT, HOW MANY FEET WILL THEY GO, UH, BEFORE THEY, THE FIRE BARRIERS IN THE WALL? THE BUILDINGS ARE JOINED, SO THERE'S, I KNOW, BUT IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I READ THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A FIRE BARRIER OR FAR WALL, SO MANY FEET.

AND I WAS WONDERING, DO YOU KNOW HOW IS IT GONNA BE AT THE 200 FOOT MARK THAT THEY'LL HAVE THE FIRE BARRIER OR NOT? OH, WHERE THESE BUS BUILDINGS, FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE I'M SHOWING MY ARROW THERE, THAT SEEMS TO BE A SEPARATION BETWEEN THIS STRUCTURE AND THIS STRUCTURE.

THERE'S A LINEAGE FOOTAGE THERE.

I I, I'D HAVE TO, UH, SIT DOWN AND, AND READ TO GET THAT SPECIFIC ON THIS SIDE.

THEY GIVE US A DISTANCE TO BE ABLE TO SHOW WHAT THIS ONE IS HERE.

UM, AND THEN THEY GIVE ME A DISTANCE HERE OF THIS ONE.

SO I COULD LOOK, BUT JUST RIGHT NOW I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.

BUT BOTTOM LINE STAFF WOULD SAY THE TOTAL LENGTH, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT AS BEING THE TOTAL LENGTH, THAT BEING THE TOTAL LENGTH, THAT BEING THE TOTAL LENGTH, TREATING IT AS A SQUARE, BEING THE TOTAL LENGTH, AND THAT EXCEEDS THE 200 FOOT MARK.

IF I HAD AN APARTMENT BUILDING THAT WAS SITTING THERE JUST BY ITSELF, I'D GO LENGTH BY WIDTH.

I'LL, I'LL SAVE THAT FOR MORE CLARIFICATION FROM THE APPLICANT.

THE, UH, THIS, UH, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU AND I, I COULD NOT READ WHAT IS THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET? LEMME SEE IF WE MAY NEED TO ASK THE APPLICANT THAT ALSO.

UH, AGAIN, THIS WAS JUST AN ILLUSTRATION, UH, THEY WOULD'VE TO GIVE YOU MORE SPECIFIC DETAILS ON THAT.

THANK YOU MR. GRAHAM.

UH, I'M JUST GONNA TRY ONE MORE STAB AT THIS PARKING SITUATION.

UH, THERE ARE SENIOR LIVING COMMUNITIES IN THE AREA, CORRECT? YES, SIR.

UH, DID STAFF LOOK INTO THERE? DO THEY HAVE ENCLOSED, UH, PARKING? YES, SOME OF THEM DO.

SOME OF 'EM DON'T DO BOTH.

THERE'S TWO.

DO BOTH COMMUNITIES HAVE ENCLOSED PARKING? I CAN'T GIVE YOU THAT DEFINITIVE ANSWER RIGHT NOW.

I DON'T KNOW, SIR.

ENCLOSED, THEN I'VE ALSO SEEN SOME THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF.

MS. S, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE ENCLOSED PARKING, THEY'RE ENCLOSED, BUT THEY'RE NOT ADJACENT TO THE PARTICULAR RESIDENT, CORRECT? YOU CAN'T GET INTO THE HOME FROM NO, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS SITE.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER ONES THAT I'VE SEEN.

NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS SITE 50 THERE, NO, ENCLOSED.

I THOUGHT THEY WERE 50 50.

NO, NO, 50.

WE'RE GOING TO 150 IS THE REGULATIONS.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

SOME OF THE OTHER SITES THAT I'VE GONE TO THAT HAVE BEEN AGE RESTRICTED, THEY'VE HAD TOTALLY SEPARATE BUILDINGS

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MS. GRAHAM, I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND FOR STAFF REASONS, I'M SORRY.

SO STAFF HAS AGREED TO THIS DEVIATION AND THE REASONING THAT STAFF AGREED TO THE DEVIATION, WHAT I HEARD WAS DUE TO NOT UNDERSTANDING OR KNOWING THE REASON WHY, UH, THE PLAN IS FOR 50 IN ENCLOSED.

IS THAT CORRECT? NO, SIR.

SO WHY DID STAFF AGREE? WE'RE JUST COMFORTABLE WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERED CARPORT AREA, OKAY? MM-HMM, .

ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE.

THANK YOU, MS. BREWER.

COMPARED TO THE OTHER AGE RESTRICTED, UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE NEARBY US, YOU CAN SEE, UM, THE NUMBER.

WE'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AT 6:35 PM TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.

I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HAS A PRESENTATION.

YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO STEP FORWARD.

UH, BUT IF YOU DO, UH, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.

ALSO UNDERSTAND, UH, THAT BY COMING FORWARD YOU WILL BE SUBJECTING YOURSELF TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.

AND SIR, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

RIGHT AHEAD.

CARL CROWLEY, UH, 2201 MAIN STREET, DALLAS, TEXAS, UH, REPRESENTING THE, UH, APPLICANT.

WELL, I GUESS I'M THE APPLICANT, THE OWNER OF THIS REQUEST.

UM, LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.

WHERE AM I POINTING TOWARDS? OKAY, WAY.

THERE WE GO.

HEY, IT'S A GOOD DAY ALREADY.

UM, THIS IS JUST A LITTLE, UH, SLIDE THAT SHOWS YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT BARON FUNDING.

WHO, WHO IS, UH, GARY SIBLEY IS THE CEO.

HE'S DONE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA, THE WILLIAMSBURG AREA AND AROUND CHARLTON METHODIST HOSPITAL.

YOU CAN SEE HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS AREA IN THE DFW AREA FOR OVER 50 YEARS.

AND, AND THE, THE STUFF JUST IN THIS, UH, UM, IMMEDIATE AREA THAT HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN, UM, YOU'VE SEEN THE PROPERTY, I GUESS THIS IS, THIS SHOWS REALLY THE, THE SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY A LITTLE BETTER.

THERE'S THE ONE DRIVE UP THAT CONNECTS TO KERN WOOD AND THE OTHER SIDE IS ACTUALLY IN THE CITY OF DALLAS.

UH, THE OTHER SIDE ACROSS FROM US IN THE CITY OF DALLAS IS OWNED INDUSTRIAL.

YOU CAN SEE THE INDUSTRIAL THAT'S THERE.

UM, IT WAS, YOU CAN SEE WHERE, UM, THERE, THERE WAS GONNA BE A CONNECTION ALL THE WAY DOWN.

AND, AND THE CITY OF DALLAS HAS REMOVED THAT, UM, FROM THEIR THIRD FAIR PLAN AS A CONNECTION TO CONNECT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO DANIELDALE.

UM, THIS IS JU UH, AN EXISTING SHOWS THE ENTRANCE AS IT IS TO DATE FOR THE PROPERTY FROM KERN WOOD.

UM, IF WERE ADJACENT TO THE COURTYARDS AT KERN WOOD SENIOR, WE JUST LOOKED AT THE AERIAL, WE COULD NOT FIND ANY, UH, BOTH THOSE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO IT JUST FOR LOOKING AT THE AERIAL, THEY'RE ON A PHONE, SMALL SCREEN, UH, LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE ALL, AND YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THOSE PICTURES, UH, CARPORTS AND NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT, UM, IN, IN THOSE SITUATIONS ADJACENT TO US.

UM, THIS IS THE, UH, BACK OF THE BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL.

I'LL GET INTO THE DISCUSSIONS.

THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS Y'ALL HAD.

I'LL GO THROUGH THE SLIDES AND I CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE, THE LATEST FROM THE BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL.

YOU CAN SEE, UM, THEY BASICALLY, UM, USED THE, OUR, OUR PROPERTY OF THE FIRE LANE.

IT WAS A DEDICATED FIRE LANE.

YOU CAN SEE THE BACK OF THEIR PROPERTY.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THIS WILL BE CLEANED UP, UH, WHEN WE GO THROUGH DEVELOPMENT.

THEN THE SLIDES TO THE RIGHT SHOWS, UH, THE VACANT PROPERTY THAT IT IS TODAY.

SO, UM, UH, CHARLES WENT THROUGH MY WHOLE PRESENTATION, SO I'M GONNA GO A LITTLE QUICKER.

UH, 171 UNITS, A ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM.

UM, THOSE ARE THE MINIMUM LOT SIZES.

CLASS A AGE RESTRICTED, UH, 55 AND ABOVE.

UM, WE, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH ON THAT.

I THINK THE ORIGINAL TIME Y'ALL SAW IT WAS MARKET RATE AND THEN AT ONE POINT WE CHANGED AND, AND WORKING WITH THE BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS, UM, THAT THEY, UM, WERE PLEASED WITH US CHANGING IT TO 55 AND ABOVE.

A LITTLE LESS, PROBABLY A FEW LESS PARTIES FROM 55 YEAR OLDS THAN THERE ARE FROM 25 YEAR OLDS.

UM, PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THE 40 FOOT DRIVEWAY THAT CHARLES MENTIONED TO, UH, GET US TWO ENTRANCE POINTS THERE.

UH, KNOX BOX IS THE LOCKING SYSTEM THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USES.

THERE'S ANOTHER SYSTEM, AND I'M NOT SURE HOW DESOTA IS CALLED OPTICON, WHICH IS BASICALLY A GARAGE DOOR OPENER.

A LITTLE MORE SECURE THAN THE NORMAL GARAGE DOOR OPENER, BUT IT'S THE SAME IDEA, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE VEHICLE.

THEY CAN ACCESS IT FROM A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.

UM, AND THEN, UH, WE TALKED ABOUT HOW ORIGINALLY THE PLAN THAT SOME OF Y'ALL, AND I DON'T THINK ALL OF Y'ALL WERE ON THE COMMISSION, WE WERE HERE A COUPLE YEARS AGO.

WE HAD PARKING ALONG THE BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL AND THERE WAS SOME ISSUES WITH THAT.

SO WE JUST MOVED THAT PARKING AWAY, AND THAT'S GONNA BE LANDSCAPING IN A ROW OF TREES.

THERE'LL STILL BE THE CONNECTION TO ALLOW THEM TO GET TO THEIR PROPERTY.

FROM THAT WILL BE THE FIRE LANE JUST MOVES OVER, BASICALLY 20 FEET.

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UM, AN EIGHT FOOT FENCE.

UM, YOU SAW WHERE, UM, WELL, METHODIST HOSPITAL WE'VE WORKED WITH AND THEY SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT.

IT, IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES ALSO EVEN AS A 55 AND OLDER FOR SOME OF THEIR EMPLOYEES TO HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE NEARBY.

UM, UH, CHARLES MENTIONED THE, UH, QUALITY APPLIANCES UPGRADED.

THIS WILL BE A CLASS A APARTMENT COMPLEX.

UM, SITE PLAN.

AGAIN, CHARLES WENT THROUGH IT BEFORE YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, KNOX BOX.

IT ALSO HAS, UH, A TURNAROUND THERE BEFORE THE EMERGENCY ENTRANCE SO THAT IF, UH, IF THE PERSON YOU GO TO VISIT ISN'T THERE AND THEY DON'T BUZZ YOU IN, YOU HAVE AN ESCAPE ROUTE TO GET BACK OUT.

AND THAT'S THE, THE OTHER PURPOSE OF THAT WIDER DRIVEWAY.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE TRAIL SYSTEM THAT WILL BE IN THE CITY OF DALLAS PROPERTY THERE.

UM, IT'LL JUST BE DEVELOPED AS A GREEN SPACE.

UM, AND THEN, UM, THE, THE ENGINEER IS HERE, BUT I'LL, I CAN BRING UP THE DISTANCES.

THERE IS ABOUT 170 FEET.

THAT'S WHERE THOSE FIRE BREAKS WILL BE.

THERE'S A, YOU, YOU KNOW WHAT A FIREWALL IS, THEY'LL PUT A DOOR THERE, THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT DOOR SO THEY CAN CLOSE THAT DOOR IN CASE OF A FIRE.

UM, SO THAT'S WHAT BREAKS THAT 200 FOOT DISTANCE.

THAT'S USUALLY WHAT THAT 200 FEET IS FOR, IS FOR THAT FIRE BREAK.

SO THE FIRE MARSHAL IS AS, AS CHARLES MENTIONED, AS HAS LOOKED THAT OVER.

UM, SO, UM, AGAIN, IT IS, UH, THERE, THIS JUST TALKS ABOUT THE CITY OF DALLAS LAND I BROUGHT UP.

IT'S A 50 FOOT WIDE STRIP.

IT WAS GOING TO BE A SET ASIDE FOR RIGHT OF WAY.

CITY OF DALLAS IS NOT GONNA, PROBABLY WOULD NEVER EXPAND THAT.

THEY'VE TAKEN IT OFF THEIR THOROUGHFARE, PLANT, EVERYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT ZONED INDUSTRIAL.

THIS PROVIDES US A GOOD SORT OF 50 FOOT, UH, UH, GREEN BELT TO KEEP US, IF ANYTHING ON THE OTHER SIDE DEVELOPS WITH INDUSTRIAL, UH, THE LANDSCAPE LAND, THE CHARLES TALKED ABOUT.

YOU CAN SEE THE, THE LARGE STRIP THERE BETWEEN US AND THE BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL.

THAT'LL BE LANDSCAPE.

UM, THE, THE, YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UM, COMMISSIONER, YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE URBAN WRAP.

UM, I, I GUESS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS AND GARDEN STYLE IS THE FACT THAT GARDEN STYLE IS WHAT, WHAT I TYPICALLY THINK OF.

YOU HAVE SEPARATE BUILDINGS, MAYBE EIGHT, THREE STORY, MAYBE 20 UNITS IN A BUILDING.

AND THEN THERE'S A SPACE IN ANOTHER BUILDING.

IT'S, IT'S A GARDEN OF BUILDINGS.

UH, THIS IS IS MORE, UH, I THINK IT'S CALLED A, A G AN URBAN WRAP WITHOUT A GARAGE.

UM, SOMETIMES YOU SEE, UH, A FOUR OR FIVE STORY WRAP THAT HAS AN ENCLOSED GARAGE IN IT THAT'S INSIDE OF THE BUILDING.

THIS, UM, IS NOT A HIGH ENOUGH DENSITY TO DO THAT.

UM, SO THIS IS, UH, IN A SENSE, IT, IT PROVIDES, UH, A COURTYARD IN THE MIDDLE SO THAT YOU HAVE A QUIET SPACE, UM, UH, TO, TO HAVE YOUR ACTIVITIES.

AND THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THAT URBAN WRAP.

IT, THE BUILDING'S WRAP A CENTRAL COURTYARD.

SOMETIMES THEY WRAP A CENTRAL COURTYARD AND SOMETIMES THEY WRAP A COURTYARD AND A GARAGE, A A STRUCTURED GARAGE.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE URBAN WRAP COMES FROM.

UM, AGAIN, ALL OF THE, UM, UH, PARKING WILL BE COVERED.

UM, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT'S COME UP WITH, UM, THE LIKELIHOOD IS IF THIS WERE GARAGE HAVE GARAGES, THEY'D BE SEPARATE BUILDINGS.

UM, THERE IS SOME SECURITY ISSUES WITH SEPARATE BUILDINGS, ESPECIALLY WITH AGE RESTRICTED BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S NOT NEAR THE BUILDING.

IT'S AN ENCLOSED SPACE.

SOMEONE COULD BE NEAR THAT ENCLOSED SPACE.

UM, SO WE'VE SEEN A LOT IN THESE, UH, SENIOR TYPE PRODUCTS, AGE RESTRICTED PRODUCTS THAT SOME OF THOSE GARAGES THAT ARE SEPARATE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE, COULD BE SECURITY ISSUES AS OPPOSED TO A MORE OPEN, UM, CARPORT WHERE YOU CAN SEE IF SOMEONE'S THERE IN THAT SITUATION.

UM, AGAIN, THE AMENITIES PACKAGE, CENTRAL POOL, DOG WALKING AREA.

UH, A CONCIERGE TRASH PICKUP, WHICH IS ONE OF THE DEVIATIONS ABOUT THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS.

EVERY OTHER DAY OR SO YOU PUT OUT YOUR TRASH BY YOUR FRONT, BY YOUR DOOR AND SOMEBODY COMES AND PICKS IT UP AND TAKES IT TO THE, TO THE DUMPSTER.

UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SOME RESIDENT LOUNGES, UM, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN IN THE PROJECT EVA AS MARKET RATE OR, UH, AGE RESTRICTED.

OBVIOUSLY WHAT'S IN THE LOUNGE WILL BE DIFFERENT FOR AGE RESTRICTED THAN IT WOULD BE FOR, FOR, FOR YOUNGER PEOPLE.

BUT IT'LL BE A LOUNGE AREA, PLAY CARDS, GAMES, JUST SIT AND SOCIALIZE THE ELEVATIONS, UM, THAT CHARLES MENTIONED TO YOU.

UM, THIS IS JUST A RENDERING OF WHAT THE FRONT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

YOU CAN SEE THE TWO ENTRANCES.

YOU CAN SEE IT'LL HAVE A GATED ENTRY THERE WHERE YOU HAVE TO BUZZ YOURSELF IN.

THE PERSON WILL LET YOU IN OR NOT OPEN THE GATE DEPENDING ON IF THEY'RE THERE, IF THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO COME IN.

AND THEN YOU HAVE A TURNAROUND AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER GATE SORT OF BEHIND THE SIGN.

THAT WOULD BE THE, THE KNOX BOX, THE FIRE ACCESS GATE.

THAT WOULD NOT BE OPEN UNLESS THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR POLICE DEPARTMENT NEEDED TO GET IN THERE.

AND AGAIN, THEY WOULD LIKELY GO THROUGH THIS FIRST GATE BEFORE THEY WOULD GO THROUGH THE SECOND GATE.

THE IDEA IS IF THERE'S SOME REASON THEY CAN'T GET IN THE FIRST GATE, THEY HAVE A SECOND ACCESS POINT.

UM, THIS IS JUST A COMPARISON OF WHAT WE ARE

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WE HAVE MORE PARKING SPACES.

THEY HAVE ONE CARPORT, SOME OF 'EM HAVE NO PART CARPORTS.

UM, AND, AND ALL OF THEM WERE REZONED FROM COMMERCIAL OR EITHER OH ONE AND WE'RE ZONED OH ONE TODAY.

UM, THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT THE TIA BASICALLY SAYS AS A MARKET RATE, WHICH WE WERE THE LAST ITERATION, UM, IT DIDN'T REALLY REQUIRE THE LEVEL SERVICE AT KE WAY TO BOLTON.

BOLTON BOONE, WHICH IS THE NEAREST INTERSECTION.

WE LEVEL SERVICE B, WHICH IS REALLY, REALLY, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF A INTERSECTIONS OUT THERE IN THE WORLD.

THERE ARE A LOT OF D'S IN THE WORLD, BUT A B IS A VERY GOOD, UH, IN THAT SENSE.

AND THEN ONCE AS, AS CHARLES MENTIONED, ONCE WE REDUCE IT TO AGE RESTRICTED, THE TRAFFIC THEN GOES DOWN EVEN LESS SO.

SO THERE'S EVEN LESS OF A NEED FOR THAT.

UM, THE COMP PLAN, THIS IS, IS THIS A NEW COMP? I THINK IT IS, YES.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THE LITTLE AREA UP THERE, LITTLE BLUE.

THERE IS A BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL WHERE THE ORANGE OR GOLDEN ROD, MAYBE IF IT'S A SIXTIES APPLIANCE COLOR, I GUESS.

UM, LET'S, WELL, THERE WE GO.

THERE'S THE DEVIATIONS AGAIN, THE PARKING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, UH, 50, UM, UH, NOW IT'S A HUNDRED PERCENT COVERED.

NO ENCLOSED, UH, THE CONCIERGE, UH, TRASH PICKUP VERSUS THE DUMPSTER LOCATIONS.

THE BUILDING LENGTH, WHICH IS, UM, WE'VE COUNTERED THAT WITH THE FIRE RATED WALLS AND THE BUILDING BREAKS AND THAT.

AND THEN FINALLY THE ROOF PITCH AND JUST TO SORT OF GO ON THE ROOF PITCH, IT LOOKS LIKE A FLAT ROOF THERE, THERE NO ONE WOULD EVER BUILD A FLAT ROOF IF IT'S GONNA HOLD WATER.

IT'S JUST BEHIND THE PARAPET.

THERE IS A SLIGHT TILT TO GET THE WATER RUN OFF OF IT.

BUT IT IS BASICALLY, IN THAT SENSE, IT'S NOT A FOUR AND 12 PITCH, BUT IT, IT WILL ALLOW THE WATER TO RUN OFF SO IT DOESN'T SIT ON THE ROOF.

THAT'S OBVIOUSLY, I LEARNED IN ARCHITECTURE SCHOOL THE WORST ENEMY AN ARCHITECT IS WATER.

'CAUSE IT WILL FIND A WAY TO GET INTO A BUILDING.

AND I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT.

UM, AND THEN HERE'S THE CONCLUSIONS.

WE MEET THE COMP PLAN.

UH, WE MEET I GUESS THE OLD COMP PLAN AND THE NEW COMP PLAN, UH, WHERE AGE RESTRICTED A, UH, CLASS A DEVELOPMENT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE, THE WHOLE METROPLEX.

WE KNOW HOW MANY UNITS THE METROPLEX IS BEHIND HOUSING WISE AND HOW FAST WE'RE GROWING.

UH, WE SEE IT EVERY DAY ON THE ROAD WHEN WE'RE DRIVING SOMEWHERE.

UM, NO TRAFFIC INCREASE OR, OR VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC INCREASE THAT'S ACCEPTABLE.

UH, WE'D ASK FOR YOU TO, UM, APPROVE THE PD PER THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

I'M GONNA TALK BRIEFLY NOW TO GO OFF SCRIPT.

UM, THE BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL, UM, AND DAN BRYSON'S HERE AS THE OWNER'S REP, BUT LITERALLY HE WAS LEAVING THE HOUSE THIS EVENING AND THE LAWYERS FROM BOTH SIDES HAD REACHED AN AGREEMENT.

UM, THEY DO NOT OBJECT TO OUR REQUEST.

THEY, THEY LIKE THE FACT THAT WE OBVIOUSLY PLANT TREES NEXT TO 'EM NOW.

UM, AND THERE WERE AGE RESTRICTED THAT, THAT WAS THEIR BIG ISSUES BEFORE WAS, UM, PROBABLY MORE THE NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

UM, THEY'RE, THEY ARE A BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL.

UM, THEY, WE'VE TOURED THE HOSPITAL, MET WITH 'EM THERE.

THEY, UH, SOME OF THEIR, UM, CLIENTS, UM, HAVE ISSUES WITH LOUD NOISES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT YOU LOCK YOUR CAR AND IT HONKS THE HORN.

UM, THAT SORT OF STUFF THAT THE FURTHER WE COULD MOVE AWAY FROM THEM AND PROVIDE THEM THAT ROW OF LANDSCAPING TO BE A NOISE BARRIER.

AND, AND ALSO THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT SOME OF THEIR PATIENTS AND, AND, AND SOME OF OUR PEOPLE, IT, IT WAS, THEY, THEY LIKE WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE WAY OF PROVIDING THE SCREENING AND MOVING AWAY AND MAKING IT AGE RESTRICTED.

UH, DAN CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, BUT, BUT THEY HAVE, THE AGREEMENT IS STILL IN PLACE, UM, UH, SINCE 22 I GUESS, OR 23.

UM, AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T SEND A REPLY IN OPPOSITION.

THEY HAVE IT IN THE PAST AND, AND THEY'RE NOT HERE IN OPPOSITION.

SO THEY DO, NO, THEY NO LONGER OBJECT TO THE REQUEST.

WE'VE PRETTY MUCH ANSWERED ALL THEIR CONCERNS.

THE ENGINEER, UH, BOTH ENGINEERS ARE HERE, TRAFFIC AND THE OTHER ENGINEER, UM, TO ANSWER IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FIRE BREAKS OR ABOUT ANY OF THE DRAINAGE OR THE TRAFFIC STUFF.

SO OTHERWISE WE'RE ALL HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

WE HAVE SEEN JUST IN, IN US MY FIRM REPRESENTING UH, SENIOR LIVING FACILITIES IS A CONCERN THAT, THAT UNLESS YOU TUCKED UNDER THE PARKING, WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO WITH A THREE STORY BUILDING 'CAUSE YOU NOW HAVE LOST THAT BOTTOM FLOOR, AT LEAST HALF THE BOTTOM FLOOR.

UH, MS. CAESAR FIRST, AND THEN MR. BELL.

GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

SURE.

UM, GOING BACK TO MY PARTICULAR QUESTION, IS THE PARKING, ARE THE, UH, COVERED PARKING, IS THAT CONNECTED TO THE BUILDING? NO, NO.

THE SPACES ARE, ARE, WELL, LEMME SEE IF I CAN GO BACK.

I'LL, I WON'T GO ALL THE WAY BACK.

I THOUGHT YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT A SAFETY ISSUE.

WELL, THE, THE CONCERN WAS, UH, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN, AND YOU CAN SEE THE PARKING IS SOME OF IT IS, IS CLOSE TO THE BUILDING, BUT SOME OF IT'S A LITTLE FURTHER AWAY.

UM, WHAT

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YOU PROBABLY HAVE TO GO TO FOUR STORIES.

UM, IS THAT IF YOU HAVE A SEPARATE GARAGE, A A GROUP OF GARAGES, THREE OR FOUR GARAGES, UM, THAT ARE, THAT ARE NOT NEXT TO THE BUILDING THAT ARE ARE, ARE A LITTLE BIT AWAY IS A, THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT SECURITY, ESPECIALLY WITH AN AGE RESTRICTED, IS THAT SOMEONE MAY BE LINGERING NEAR THE GARAGE.

IT'S NOT AS OPEN AND I CAN'T SEE IF SOMEONE'S THERE TO, TO DO HARM TO ME.

UM, SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CONCERNS WE PUT INTO IT ALSO.

SECOND QUESTION IS THREE STORY BUILDING, AGE RESTRICTED 55 AND UP.

ARE YOU ANTICIPATING OR PLANNING ON GO, UH, ELEVATORS IN THE BUILDINGS? YES.

ELEVATORS ARE IN THE BUILDING, YES, FOR SURE.

AHEAD GOING YES, YES, THERE WILL BE ELEVATORS.

I DON'T KNOW IF THE AGE DISTRICT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT.

I THINK ELEVATORS, ESPECIALLY, IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY FRIENDS YOU CAN GET WITH PIZZA TO MOVE TO THE THIRD FLOOR.

THERE'S USUALLY, USUALLY THE FIRST TIME YOU GET IT AND THE SECOND TIME YOU DON'T EVER GET THAT ONE TO COME BACK.

THIRD QUESTION IS, UH, RENTAL RATES HAVE INCREASED, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING HAS.

UM, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF ANTICIPATION ON WHAT YOUR RATES WILL BE? YOU KNOW, I, ON THE ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOMS, DO YOU HAVE A SQUARE FOOTAGE IDEA OF HOW MUCH? JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO PROJECT, I GUESS WE COULD SAY TODAY AND THEN THEN, YOU KNOW, TWO YEARS NOW WHEN IT'S BUILT TO MONTHLY, WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THINKING.

AND IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME TO CITY OF RESIDENCE, PLEASE.

MY NAME IS DAN BRYSON.

I'M A CONSULTANT FOR BARON FUNDING AND WE RAN OUR INITIAL MODELS AT $2, $2 AND 50 CENTS A SQUARE FOOT BASED ON SOME OF THE COMPARABLES IN THE AREA.

AND THAT WAS FROM MARKET RATE.

WE'RE RERUNNING OUR MODELS NOW FOR THE AGE RESTRICTED.

THERE ARE A FEW MODIFICATIONS INTERNALLY WE WOULD HAVE FOR, FOR AN OLDER, UH, CLIENTELE SUCH AS MYSELF.

AND SO, UH, SO WE'RE STILL RUNNING THOSE NUMBERS, BUT THE YIELDS WORKED OUT GREAT.

IF I MAY DIGRESS JUST A SECOND.

THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY, GARY SIBLEY NOT ONLY DEVELOPED AND BUILT WILLIAMSBURG VILLAGE, HE HAD A VISION FOR THAT BECAUSE HE HAS AN AFFINITY FOR OLDER PEOPLE.

HE, HE, HE REALLY DOES, HE BUILT IT, MANAGED IT DAY TO DAY, WAS THERE EVERY DAY.

HE HIRED THE STAFF, HE DEALT WITH EVERYDAY PROBLEMS. THEY AFFILIATED WITH UT SOUTHWESTERN FOR AN ALZHEIMER'S RESEARCH AREA WITHIN HIS FACILITY.

AND SO IT WAS A NATURAL FOR HIM TO THINK ABOUT AN AGE RESTRICTED FOR THIS PROPERTY BEING SO CLOSE TO WILLIAMSBURG VILLAGE.

AND, AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH A DREAM FOR HIM TO DO THAT.

NOW WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MARKET RATES, WE'RE LOOKING AT COMPARABLE PROPERTIES, AND AS WE GET FROM HERE TO CONSTRUCTION, WE'LL HAVE ALL OF THAT FIGURED OUT.

BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE JUST GENERALLY USED THE NATIONAL MULTIFAMILY RATES AND, AND, AND THEY WORK, THEY WORK, THEY WORK WELL FOR, FOR THE INVESTORS THAT ARE, THAT ARE PUTTING UP THE MONEY ON THIS, WHICH IS GARY'S FAMILY.

OKAY, EXCELLENT.

LAST QUESTION IS GUEST PARKING.

HOW MANY GUEST PARKING OUT OF THE THREE 13 WILL THERE BE? WELL AT, AT 171 UNITS AND, AND, AND THE NUMBER OF ONE BEDROOM, I WOULD SAY THERE'S STILL GONNA BE, UM, 30 TO 40 SPACES THAT ARE NOT, YOU KNOW.

AND, AND THERE ARE SPACES OBVIOUSLY AROUND AS ANY, AS ANY PLACE AROUND LEASING OFFICE, THE YEAH, THERE'S ALWAYS, THERE'S ALWAYS FUTURE RESIDENCE SPACES.

BILL, UH, GOOD EVENING.

UH, WAS IT CARL? YES, YES SIR.

GOOD EVENING, CARL.

THANK YOU FOR, UH, COMING.

JUST GOT A FEW QUESTIONS FOR YOU.

SURE.

UM, MY FIRST ONE IS, ARE ALL OF THESE BUILDING SEGMENTS INTERCONNECTED INTERNALLY SO YOU CAN WALK AROUND? YEAH, THERE'S A HALLWAY.

THERE'S FIRE BREAKS THAT'LL HAVE DOORS AND USUALLY THE DOORS ARE AUTOMATICALLY CLOSED WHEN THERE'S FIRE ALARM GOES OFF, THE DOORS CLOSED TO CREATE THE FIRE BREAK.

OTHERWISE, IF YOU, IF YOU STAYED IN A LARGE HOTEL, YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE HALL AND IT'S THIS WIDE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GETS NARROW BECAUSE THAT'S THE FIREBREAK AND THERE'S A DOOR THAT AUTOMATICALLY CLOSES IF THE FIRE ALARM GOES OFF.

ENTER THROUGH THE, THE MAIN O OFFICE, BUT THEN THERE ARE, THERE ARE EACH, EACH WING, SHALL I SAY, HAS AN ENTRANCE TO IT.

AND HOW MANY ENTRANCES ARE ON EACH SIDE OF THE WRAPAROUND NORTH, SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST? UH, THERE ARE, WELL YOU CAN

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ALSO WING, DO YOU MEAN, UH, EACH OF THE FOUR SIDES HAS AN ENTRANCE TO IT? YEAH.

AND SO LIKE IN THE MIDDLE SPAN THERE, IS THERE, ARE THERE ENTRANCES IN THE MIDDLE SPAN OR JUST AT THE CORNERS AND THE, THE OFFICE.

OH, YOU MEAN TO GET INTO THE COURTYARD TO GET INTO THE BUILDING? IF, IF I'M AN ELDERLY PERSON, LET'S, YEAH.

SEE IF I CAN, I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN USE IT.

THIS HAVE A POINTER ON IT? YEAH, IF DOES THAT, THE GREEN THING? YEAH.

OH, THERE WE GO.

THERE'S ONE THERE.

HERE, THERE'S ONE HERE, THERE'S ONE HERE AND THERE'S ONE DOWN.

AND THEN YOU CAN GET THROUGH HERE IF IT'S MEANT LIKE TO GET FROM THE BUILDING TOWARDS THE PARKING TO GET FROM THE PARKING INTO THE BUILDING.

THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE ARE ONE ON EACH, THERE, THERE, THERE.

AND THEN YOU GO, THERE'S REALLY NO PARKING ON THAT, ON THAT SOUTH SIDE.

WELL, THERE IS, BUT YOU COULD GO THROUGH THE MIDDLEVILLE.

OKAY, GOT IT.

UM, IS ANY OF THE PARKING ASSIGNED BY ANY CHANCE? I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN DETERMINED, IF IT'S ASSIGNED, YOU KNOW, USUALLY YOU WOULD ASSIGN PARKING.

UH, I GUESS WE COULD DO THAT.

UM, USUALLY YOU ASSIGN PARKING IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALL COVERED PARKING.

BUT WITH ALL COVERED PARKING, IT'S NOT A PREMIUM IN THAT SENSE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, IF IT COULD BE ASSIGNED, IF NEED BE, THE RESIDENTS WILL HAVE A GUARANTEED SPACE.

SO THE LIKELIHOOD IS IT WOULD BE ASSIGNED.

I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT THE, THE, YOU KNOW, UM, LESS THAN CAPABLE PERSON WHO WOULD NEED TO BE CLOSER TO AN INSURANCE.

SURE, SURE.

AND, AND THAT, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WHEN, WHEN, WHEN IT'S RENT, WHEN SOMETHING IS LEASED, THAT THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WHO'S, WHO AS YOU MENTIONED, MIGHT HAVE TROUBLE IS, IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO PARK THE FURTHEST FROM THE ENTRANCE.

UM, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO US WHAT IS MEANT BY CONCIERGE TRASH? UH, WELL, IT, IT'S JUST THAT IS IS, LET'S SAY EVERY TUESDAY AND FRIDAY IS A TRASH PICKUP DAY.

AND LITERALLY YOU WILL PUT YOUR TRASH IN A PLASTIC BAG AND YOU WILL PUT IT BY OUTSIDE IN THE HALLWAY BY, BY YOUR THING.

AND THEN MAGICALLY THE TRASH CONCIERGE PERSON COMES BY IN THE EVENING OR THE MORNING AND TAKES IT AND TAKES IT TO THE, TO THE, TO THE DUMPSTER.

UH, WILL THAT, WILL THAT PERSON BE HIRED FROM THIS COMMUNITY, UH, FROM LIKE BE A RESIDENT? I GUESS THEY COULD BE, OR IF NOT, THERE'LL BE A STAFF PERSON.

LIKELY IS, THERE'S A STAFF PERSON WHO DOES THAT ALONG WITH A, A PORTER OR, OR A MAINTENANCE PERSON TOO, THAT DOES THAT.

AND THEN THEY HAUL THAT TO THE COMPACTOR.

THEY HAUL THAT TO THE COMPACTOR AND THEN, AND A TRUCK COMES? YEAH, A TRUCK COMES, HOWEVER, GOT IT.

HOW OFTEN IT HAS TO COME.

UM, WITH REGARD TO THE PARA PITT, HOW IS THE WATER MANAGED COMING OFF OF THE PARA PITT? IS IT, UH, LIKE SOME KIND OF DOWNSPOUT U USUALLY IT'S A DOWNSPOUT THAT WILL THEN, IT IS NOT A DOWNSPOUT THAT WILL JUST FLOOD INTO THE THING.

IT GOES DOWN AND THEN IT GOES INTO A PRIVATE STORM SYSTEM THAT THEN WOULD GO INTO EITHER OUR PUBLIC SYSTEM OR INTO THE DETENTION POND.

RIGHT.

IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A FLOW, IT'S NOT A FLOW LIKE IN A SHEET FLOW OR, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SHEET FLOW IN THE PARKING LOT, BUT THINGS OFF THE ROOF COME DOWN AND, AND, AND GO INTO, GO INTO A DRAIN AND IT'S ALL CONTAINED AND THEN IT GOES UNDERGROUND.

UH, GOT IT.

UH, AND I, I THINK I HEARD THAT THIS COMMUNITY WAS GATED.

AND SO, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S GONNA BE A GATE RIGHT THERE WHERE, WHERE THERE'S A GATE HERE? YEAH.

AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE GATE TO THE, OBVIOUSLY IT'S FENCED ALL THE WAY AROUND, BUT THAT'S THE ENTRANCE GATE.

AND THEN THIS IS AGAIN AS THE KNOCK, THE EMERGENCY GATE, THERE'S NO OTHER GATES INSIDE HERE IN THAT SENSE.

THAT'S THE GATE RIGHT THERE.

SO PEOPLE GO IN AND COME OUT OF THAT SAME GATE THERE, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND YEAH, THIS GATE AGAIN, WOULD BE HOPEFULLY NEVER EVER OPENED, AS IN THERE NEVER NEEDS TO BE AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE.

I UNDERSTOOD.

FEW LAPS, AND YOU GOT A MILE.

I, I BELIEVE THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

HOW ARE YOU? HEY, GOOD TO SEE YOU.

UM, I LOVE THIS PICTURE.

IT REALLY KIND OF REPRESENTS, UH, THE CITY OF DESOTOS COMMITMENT TO MAKING OUR COMMUNITIES, UH, WALKABLE AND GREEN.

SO THE TRAIL THAT I SEE HERE, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT THE, UH, DISTANCE OF THIS TRAIL CALLED? I DON'T KNOW.

JEFF, DO YOU HAVE A GUESS? I DON'T HAVE THE, UH, I, I, I WILL GUESS THAT HOW MUCH? 1200 FEET, 1200 FEET.

THEY WILL BE MARKED OFF.

I, I KNOW I WALK WHERE I LIVE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A BRIDGE WE WALK ON AT THE HIGHWAY 66 BRIDGE AND IT'S MARKED EVERY QUARTER MILE.

WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT, AND, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE LITTLE FITNESS CENTERS AND STUFF.

AND IT, THE IDEA OBVIOUSLY AS WE GET OLDER, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES 'CAUSE WE'RE GETTING OLDER.

UM, BUT YOU KNOW, UH, JEFF THINKS IT'S ABOUT 1200 FEET, BUT OBVIOUSLY A COUPLE LAPS.

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SO THAT WAS KIND OF MY POINT.

AS WE GET OLDER, I MEAN BY THE TIME THIS IS BUILT, I'LL PROBABLY QUALIFY TO LIVE HERE.

NO, NO.

UNLESS YOU'RE LYING IN ON YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

DOES THAT HELP? THAT COMPLIMENT DOES THAT? I THINK I DID PRETTY GOOD ON THAT ONE, , BUT I'M STILL GONNA ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TIAI KNOW I WASN'T GONNA GET PAST IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, I TRIED MY BEST.

SO WITH THAT, UH, MR. CROWLEY, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU GUYS FOR DOING A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AND UM, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO CAUSE ANY ISSUES WITH TRAFFIC OPERATIONS, BUT TO THE POINT OF US BEING OLDER, WANTING TO TAKE BETTER CARE OF OURSELVES, UM, DID THE TIA, I DON'T KNOW IF THE ENGINEER'S HERE YES, SIR.

CAN I ENGINEER COME UP OR ADDRESS? COME ON.

UH, NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR.

WHAT'S, AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME SEATED RESIDENCE ISH.

SHAW, UM, FROM ALLEN, TEXAS, OFFICES IN DALLAS, TEXAS.

THANK YOU FOR COMING.

IN REGARDS TO THE TIA, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ALL ONLY LOOKED AT AUTO TRIPS AND THE IMPACT OF AUTO TRIPS.

WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION TO FOLKS NOT DRIVING AS MUCH AND BEING SO CLOSE TO, UH, THE MEDICAL FACILITIES, PERHAPS WALKING AND WHAT TYPE OF INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, UM, THAT WAS NOT LOOKED AT AS FAR AS THE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE OR THE NEED FOR IT? IT WAS NOT PART OF THE TIA.

BUT IT IS CONNECTING THIS TRAIL, THIS TRAIL CONNECTS TO BOLTON BOONE.

YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT.

NO CONNECT TO KERN WOOD.

KERN WOOD, NOT BOLTON.

SO WOULD IT, CONNECTING TO KERN WOOD AND ONLY BEING ABOUT 1200, UM, POSSIBLY 1200 FEET, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS CONTINUING THE SIDEWALK SO THAT FOLKS CAN CONTINUE THEIR TRIP.

WAS THAT LOOKED AT AT ALL IN THE TIA? NO, NOT AS PART OF THE NO.

PEDESTRIAN IMPACTS, NO.

BUT FROM YOUR PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING EXPERIENCE, UM, WHAT'S YOUR THOUGHT ON INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS FOR MAKING THIS MORE WALKABLE THAN WHAT YOU'VE ALREADY, UH, PRESENTED HERE IN THIS IMAGE? I GUESS LOOKING AT THE, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY, IT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S WALKABLE AS FAR AS COMING OUT AND GETTING ONTO CONWOOD AND GOING TO DIFFERENT PLACES THAT HAVEN'T LOOKED AT ANYTHING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE IS AVAILABLE OR IF THERE ARE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR THE NEED THAT WOULD HAVE THE NEED FOR THE PEDESTRIAN.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN WELL, LET, LET ME ASK IT ANOTHER WAY.

YOU LOOKED AT TRIPS, AUTO TRIPS, UH, BASED ON DESTINATIONS.

F SOME OF THOSE AUTOMOBILE TRIPS WERE REDUCED AND FOLKS ARE WALKING TO THOSE DESTINATIONS THAT ARE ONLY ABOUT A QUARTER MILE OR LESS THAN A HALF MILE.

UM, WOULD THAT HAVE SHOWN A NEED FOR SOME INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONNECT THOSE TRIPS? TYPICALLY IN THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS, UNLESS IT'S A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT BY OF THE CITY THAT A PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT, IN GENERAL, WE DON'T, BUT IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC TRIP OR SPECIFIC TRIPS THAT ARE MADE FROM THIS KIND OF A DEVELOPMENT TO A SPECIFIC LAND USE, THEN YES, WE WOULD KIND OF LOOK AT SAYING, OKAY, THERE, THERE MAY BE X NUMBER OF TRIPS TO THAT AND THERE IS, OR THERE IS NOT A PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE AVAILABLE.

IF THERE WAS NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED, WE WOULD IDENTIFY, WELL, MANY OF THE TRIPS DESTINATION WAS TO THE HOSPITAL.

I KNOW YOU TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS BEING OCCUPIED BY FOLKS WHO WORK AT METHODIST.

DO WE HAVE A PERCENTAGE OF TRIPS THAT WERE NO, IT WASN'T LOOKED INTO THAT MICRO, UH, SUB AREA.

IT'S MORE OF A WHERE WOULD, AT LEAST WHEN THE TIA WAS FOR THE MARKET RATE, TIA, I THOUGHT I SAW DESTINATIONS LIKE TWO.

WELL, THERE THERE IS PERCENTAGE OF, UH, DISTRIBUTION, BUT IT'S BASICALLY WHERE WOULD THEY MAY BE GOING TO, THE NUMBER OF TRIPS GOING TO THE HOSPITAL MAY BE FAIRLY SMALL.

AND OF COURSE NOW THAT IS AGE RESTRICTED.

IT MAY BE DIFFERENT, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THAT'S STILL, UH, FAIRLY SMALL.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS OTHER WAYS FOR THEM TO GET TO THE HOSPITAL.

AGAIN, IF SOMEBODY HAS, HAS A CART, I WOULD IMAGINE THEY WOULD PREFER TO USE THAT.

AND I, I EXACTLY DON'T KNOW HOW IT IS, UH, CONVENIENT OR WHETHER IT NEEDS TO BE CONVENIENT FROM THERE TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL BY WALKING THERE.

THERE MAY BE OTHER WAYS.

I MEAN, I'VE SEEN IN SOME OF THE AGE RESTRICTED USE OF THE GOLF CART, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

PERSONALLY, IF I LIVED WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OF MY JOB, I WOULD PREFER TO WALK OR BIKE, WALK AND SEE YOU INCLUDING MM-HMM.

BICYCLE AMENITIES.

UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS IT.

I WAS JUST WONDERING IF YOU WERE LOOKING

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AT MORE THAN MA'AM.

UH, AUTO TRIPS.

MORE OF A MO MAINLY TRIPS.

MAINLY RELATED TO REGULAR TRIPS ONLY.

UM, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT AFTER HEARING YOU GUYS, I HAVE A FEW MORE.

UH, THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS, UH, BARON, UH, IS ARE THEY FUNDING THE DEAL OR THEY OWN THE DEAL? I'M SORRY? ARE YOU, IS BARON FUNDING THE DEAL AS AN INVESTMENT? UM, OR THEY OWN IT? NO, THEY, UH, OR DO THEY OWN? THEY'VE OWNED, GARY OWNED THIS LAND FOR 18 YEARS, 20 YEARS, AND HE'S DEVELOPING IT AND, UH, UH, HIS FAMILY TRUST THAT WILL FUND THE, UH, THE, THE PROPERTY WHEN WE GOES TO DEVELOPMENT.

AWESOME.

AND IS THERE A FINDING RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL, THAT'S A VARIABLE.

THE, THE INTEREST RATES ARE HIGH, YOU KNOW, SO WE'VE PROTECTED AGAINST THOSE THINGS AND HE'S GOT THE EQUITY TO DO THAT.

UH, SO, BUT IF WE HAVE A, IF WE HAVE A CHANGE IN THE ECONOMY, WE HAVE A CHANGE IN INTEREST RATES, WELL THEN WE'LL LEVERAGE PART OF THAT.

THAT'S MY SPECIALTY.

THAT'S WHAT I'VE DONE FOR THE LAST 50 YEARS.

SO WE, WE WILL WATCH THAT CAREFULLY AND THEN WE WILL, WE WILL CHOOSE THE MOST EXPEDITIOUS FORM OF CAPITAL AND STRUCTURE TO ACCOMPLISH EVERYBODY'S INVESTMENT CRITERIA.

AND IS THERE A, A RESTRICTED HOLD ON THIS PROPERTY, FINANCIAL HOLD OR ANY INTENT TO SELL THE PROPERTY AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME? TYPICALLY, GARY GARY'S OWNED IT FOR, YEAH, HE'S OWNED IT OUTRIGHT.

HE OWNS A FREE, HE, HE BOUGHT IT FROM THE, I'M I'M TALKING ABOUT AFTER THE BUILDING IS BUILT, IT, WILL THIS BE A FIVE YEAR, 10 YEAR, 25 YEAR HOLD OR THERE'S NO INTENTION TO SALE? I'M SORRY, I I'M NOT HEARING YOUR QUESTION.

TYPICALLY IN CONSTRUCTION, I'M SORRY.

I DO WORK IN THE MULTI-FAMILY DEVELOPMENT SIDE.

UM, SO TYPICALLY IN CONSTRUCTION THERE'LL BE A FIVE, 10, OR 25 YEAR HOLD, OR THEY WILL SAY THERE'S NO INTENT TO SALE.

OH, I SEE, I SEE YOUR QUESTION.

THAT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE CAPITAL AND, UH, AT THIS TIME, IS THERE, YEAH, AT THIS, AT THIS STAGE, I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS A VERY STRONG INTEREST OF KEEPING THIS ASSET IN THE FAMILY, IN THE TRUST.

UM, THAT, I WOULDN'T SAY THAT THAT WOULD PRECLUDE HIM FROM SELLING IT AT THE RIGHT TIME FOR THE RIGHT TO THE RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT BUYER.

BUT ALL OF THOSE THINGS WOULD BE ANALYZED AND DECIDED AS WE GO THROUGH THIS NEXT STEP OF THE PROCESS.

NO WORRIES.

AND I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR YOU.

UH, 'CAUSE I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE PRICING, UH, MARKET SURVEY THAT YOU GUYS COMPLETED.

IT SAT, IT SOUNDED LIKE YOU SAID YOU DID A MARKET SURVEY AND YOUR SURVEY CAME BACK AT $2 TO TWO 50, WHICH IS PRETTY STEEP RIGHT NOW IN THE MARKET.

JUST IN DFW GIVE, GIVE ME ONE SECOND.

IN DFW MARKET, IT MAKES YOUR ONE BEDROOMS, UH, 1600 TO 2000 AND IT MAKES YOUR TWO BEDROOMS 1900 TO 2375.

SO IS THAT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE BASING YOUR BUDGET AND FINANCIAL BUILD ON? WELL, THE, THE NUMBERS THAT WE USE IN OUR PRO FARMERS WERE, WERE FROM THE NATIONAL MULTI-HOUSING, UH, PUBLICATIONS.

SO IT WASN'T A MARKET SURVEY DONE.

WE, WE DIDN'T DO A FORMAL MARKET STUDY.

UH, WE'VE HAD ENOUGH EXPERIENCE IN THE BUSINESS WHERE WE CALLED AROUND AND TALKED TO SOME OF THE OWNERS AND TALKED TO SOME OF THE PROPERTIES.

AND WE FOUND THAT IN THIS MARKET, NOW THERE ARE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LEASING FOR 2, 2 50 A FOOT.

SO WE LOOKED AT THAT, WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE QUALITY OF WHAT WE'D BE DELIVERING VERSUS THE QUALITY THAT'S ON THE GROUND.

AND, AND THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, AT THIS STAGE IT'S ALL PRO FORMA AND, AND IT GETS, IT GETS A LITTLE BIT MORE SERIOUS AS WE GET INTO THE NEXT STAGE.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'VE SEEN ENOUGH TO, UH, FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE THAT WE WILL GET WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE NEEDING TO GET.

SO AT THIS TIME, YOU GUYS HAVE, UH, WE WOULD BE APPROVING CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT KNOWING A, JUST OF WHAT PRICING IS.

'CAUSE YOU'VE ONLY WENT AFTER A NATIONAL, UH, REPORT VERSUS A MARKET STUDY.

IF I, IF I MAY HOLD ON REAL QUICK.

SMITH, GO AHEAD.

UM, JUST LET AN FYI, WE'RE NOT REALLY, THE COMMISSION'S NOT REALLY APPROVING THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT OR APPROVING THE PARAMETERS AROUND THAT.

THEY'RE APPROVING THE DEVIATIONS THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED, THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THE BUILDING, NOT NECESSARILY THE BUILDING AND ALL THE THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT.

AND SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO CONTAIN OUR CONVERSATIONS MORE TO THE DEVIATIONS REQUESTED AND HOW THAT COMPLIES WITH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S PLAN, WHAT THE COMMISSION WANTS FOR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND NOT SO MUCH SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS. NO, NO WORRIES.

I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT PRICING, UH, AND THERE WAS ALSO QUESTIONS ASKED ABOUT CONCIERGE TRASH.

UH, AND I WOULD LIKE CLARITY ON THOSE.

DO I HAVE PERMISSION TO ASK CLARITY ON THOSE? YEAH.

UH, BUT JUST REMEMBER THAT WE'RE IN HERE FOR THE ZONING COMPONENT AND, AND PROVING THESE, UH, I UNDERSTAND DEVIATIONS.

UH, OFFICE TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH MULTIFAMILY, UM, AND KIND OF CENTERED AROUND THOSE DEVIATIONS.

AND THE SWITCH IN ZONING FROM,

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THERE.

BEFORE WE CONTINUE, BEFORE WE CONTINUE, MS. BUR, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING I WAS GETTING READY TO, TO KIND OF MAKE THE SIMILAR COMMENTS? RIGHT.

AWESOME.

UH, WELL THEN MY LAST QUESTION, UH, THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE DEVIATIONS IS, UH, THE CONCIERGE TRASH, TYPICALLY CONCIERGE TRASH, WHAT I WAS, WHAT I HEARD THE ANSWER TO BE IS ON IF TRASH DAYS WERE TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS, SOMEONE WOULD PICK IT UP.

A PORTER WAS STATED, TYPICALLY CONCIERGE IS A VALET SERVICE THAT YOU GUYS THIRD PARTY OUT TO A THIRD PARTY COMPANY.

IT PICKS UP FIVE OR SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AT NIGHT.

IS THIS, IS THERE, ARE YOU SAYING THERE'S ONLY GONNA BE TRASH PICKUP ON TUESDAYS AND THURSDAYS? OR YOU JUST WE'RE SPEAKING IN GENERAL? JUST IN GENERAL.

OKAY, AWESOME.

YEAH, THERE, SO MUCH OF THAT WILL BE WORKED OUT WITH OUR MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

I GOTCHA.

WE WILL HIRE A, UH, NATIONAL MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

THE, THE NEXT STAGE WE HAVE TO GET THE COSTS.

WE HAVE TO DESIGN THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS.

AND SO THERE'S A LOT OF NO WORRIES, INPUT AND FORMULAS THAT HAVE TO BALANCE OUT AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, BUT CAN'T START THAT PROCESS UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE GET PERMISSION TO PUT IT ON THE GROUND.

AND THAT'S THAT, UH, THAT'S THAT WE HOPE THAT WE'RE COVERING ALL THE BASES THAT WE NEED TO COVER TO GET TO THIS POINT.

AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UM, DALLAS BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL.

IF I MAY JUST DIGRESS A SECOND.

WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH THAT, THOSE PEOPLE AND THAT STAFF FOR TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS NOW, AND HAVE BEEN VERY ATTENTIVE TO THE DIFFERENT NEEDS THAT THEY HAVE EXPRESSED ALONG THE WAY.

AND THE, UM, I THINK WE HAVE REDESIGNED OUR SITE PLAN 12 TIMES TO ACCOMPLISH, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T LIKE THE PARKING NEXT TO OUR BUILDING FOR, FOR VERY VALID REASONS.

AND SO WE, WE, WE REVISED THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE REALLY LISTENED TO AND SOUGHT OUT THEIR, THEIR COMMENTS.

LIKE I GO TO MY EARLIER STATEMENT ABOUT GARY'S AFFINITY FOR TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE.

HE REALLY DOES HAVE, UH, A FEELING FOR THE, THE, THE ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE AS A BEHAVIORAL HOSPITAL.

SO WE TRIED TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO THE WHOLE TIME.

AND, AND, AND HOPEFULLY THAT WE WILL, WE'LL CONTINUE TO SHOW THAT AS WE GO THROUGH THE NEXT STAGES.

NO WORRIES.

BACK TO PARKING.

WAS THE PARKING, UH, TO DEVIATE FROM OUR ENCLOSED 50% DUE TO PRICING OR WHAT, WHAT WAS THE DECIDING FACTOR ON YOU GUYS NOT WANTING? BECAUSE I KNOW ORIGINALLY YOU GUYS DIDN'T HAVE IT ALL, UH, COVERED, YOU GUYS MADE THAT CHANGE, BUT WAS WHAT WAS THE DRIVING FACTOR TO NOT HAVE 50% ENCLOSED? THE, THE HAVING STRUCTURED PARKING FOR A URBAN MULTIFAMILY WOULD BE COST PROHIBITIVE.

THE, THE, THE RENTS THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO CHARGE JUST TO COVER THE COST WOULD BE WELL IN EXCESS OF WHAT WE THINK WE COULD GET.

AND YOU, WHEN YOU BUILD A STRUCTURE, YOU HAVE TO BUILD ON TOP OF IT.

YOU HAVE TO GO SUBSURFACE AND YOU HAVE TO BUILD ON TOP OF THE PARKING.

AND, AND FOR THIS 471 UNITS THAT JUST, YOU CAN'T MAKE THE, THOSE NUMBERS WORK.

I MEAN, IF YOU WERE BUILDING 400 UNITS, WELL THEN YEAH, YOU HAVE A BETTER SHOT AT DOING THAT.

BUT FOR THIS SIZE PROPERTY, UH, WE THINK LOCATION TO THE HOSPITAL, WE THINK THAT THE COVERED PARKING WILL BE FIRST CLASS FABRIC ARCHITECTURE KIND OF, KIND OF COVERAGE.

AND WE THINK THE, THE QUALITY THAT WE'LL BE DELIVERING WILL SURPASS THAT OF THE NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE, AND THE MARKET.

AND JUST NOTE THE OTHER PROPERTIES AROUND US DON'T HAVE CAR GARAGE COVER, UH, GARAGES EITHER.

THEY HAVE COVERED PARKING, SO.

AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION, I'M SORRY, MY LAST QUESTION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT THE CARPORTS.

SO THE CARPORTS, WOULD THOSE BE ADDITIONAL CHARGES OR WOULD THAT BE BUILT INTO THE RENT? IF THEY HAVE A ONE BEDROOM, THEY GET ONE.

IF THEY HAVE A TWO BEDROOM, THEY GET TWO.

HOW DOES THE CARPORTS WORK? IS IT AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE OR DOES IT COME WITH THE APARTMENT? THAT WILL BE A DETAIL THAT GETS WORKED OUT AS WE HIRE THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY AND WE WORK UP THE RENT STRUCTURE.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT OTHER PROPERTIES, THAT'S A PREMIUM AND, AND THAT, OKAY, IT'S, IT IS A PREMIUM PLUS IF YOU GET TO PICK THE, PICK THE SPACE.

SO ALL THOSE THINGS WOULD'VE TO GO INTO BALANCING WHAT THE MARKET WOULD ALLOW AND, UH, WHAT THE, WHAT THE MANAGEMENT COMPANY FEELS LIKE, UH, THE COST WOULD BE.

BUT, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE HAD, WHERE MY SON LIVES, THEY HAVE LIMITED CARPORTS, LIMITED COVERED PARKING, AND YOU PAY A PREMIUM FOR IT, EVERY PARKING SPACE THAT'S FOR A UNIT WILL HAVE A CARPORT.

THERE MAY BE A PREMIUM ON IF YOU WANT TO PARK NEXT TO THE BUILDING VERSUS IN THE BACK OF THE LOT.

BUT EVERY, EVERY SP IT IS, I CAN'T CHARGE A PREMIUM FOR IF EVERYONE HAS THE SAME

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THING.

SO WOULD IT BE BUILT INTO THE RENT? WELL, OF COURSE EVERYTHING'S BUILT INTO THE RENT.

YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE UPGRADED APPLIANCES, YOU'RE PAYING MORE THAN IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE UPGRADED APPLIANCES SINCE EVERYONE HAS A CARPORT.

YEAH, YEAH.

THERE'LL BE A A, YOU KNOW, THAT'S IN THE RENT THERE SOMEWHERE.

UM, BUT, BUT IN THIS SENSE, IF EVERYONE HAS A CARPORT, A COVERED PARKING THAT I CAN'T CHARGE YOU FOR THE SAME COVERED PARKING NEXT TO ME.

UM, NOW IF, IF YOU WANT TO PARK NEXT TO THE BUILDING AND NOT HAVE TO WALK THAT DISTANCE, THEN THAT MAY BE A PREMIUM INVOLVED, BUT OTHERWISE EVERYONE HAS A COVERED PARKING SPACE SO IT'S NO PREMIUM.

YEAH, AND I WOULD, I WOULD ADD THAT YEAH, WE'RE OVER PARKED RELATIVE TO THE REQUIREMENT AND WE HAVE MORE PARKING PER, PER UNIT, UH, THAN ANY OF OUR COMPETITION WOULD'VE.

ALRIGHT, MR. RAVEN, GO YEAH.

HAVE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.

ONE IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE DEVIATION, BUT I DID NOTICE THAT YOU SAY YOU WOULD HAVE LOUNGES ON EACH FLOOR ON TWO FLOORS.

ON TWO FLOORS.

WILL YOU ALSO HAVE A GYM, A, A GYM, A FITNESS CENTER? YES, THERE'LL BE A FITNESS.

AND THE SECOND QUESTION I HAD TO ASK EARLIER IS, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET WOULD BE? GO TO THE ELEVATION.

UH, SIR.

SPEED ON FOURTH PLEASE.

AND IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY IN INTRODUCED YOURSELF, YOU STATE YOUR NAME, STATE THE RESIDENCE.

HELLO, UH, JAKE FEARS, UH, CIVIL ENGINEERING WITH JHF ENGINEERING VILLE, TEXAS.

UM, YEAH, SO THE HEIGHT OF THE PARAPET IS ROUGHLY, I THINK IT'S, IT'S ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN IS ABOUT FOUR FEET ABOVE WHERE THE FLAT ROOF WOULD SIT.

SO THEY CALLED A FLAT ROOF BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK ON YOUR SCREEN OVER HERE, IT, I MEAN IT LOOKS FLAT ACROSS THERE, BUT BELOW THAT, THAT PARAPET OBVIOUSLY STICKS UP FOUR OR FIVE FEET.

AND THEN THE FLAT, THE ROOF IS BELOW THAT AREA.

AND THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING, UH, DOWNSPOUTS AND SO FORTH.

UH, THERE'LL BE INTERNAL, UH, DRAINS IN THE ROOF THAT WILL TAKE IT DOWN AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'LL DISCHARGE INTO A PRIVATE STORM DRAIN SYSTEM THAT'LL CARRY TO THE, THE, THE DETENTION AREA.

THANK YOU FOR THE ANSWER TO THAT.

QUE THE REASON I WAS ASKING IS, UM, IN YOUR PRESENTATION YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE GONNA HAVE THE PARAPETS MOSTLY FOR COVERING THINGS THAT ARE ON TOP, BUT IT'S ALSO A SAFETY, UH, IT'S ALSO USED FOR SAFETY.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WOULD MEET THE MINIMUM OSHA OR IBC COATS.

ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE APPLICANT OR FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SEEING NONE, UH, LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT I DO HAVE ONE COMMENT CARD ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM AND WE JUST HEARD FROM MR. FIERCE, UH, MR. FEARS, UH, MS FEARS IT'S SAFE TO SAY YOU'RE IN SUPPORT OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.

WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE ANY OTHER CITIZEN IN ATTENDANCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM? I'LL ASK AGAIN.

IS THERE ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SAID, NONE.

WE'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AT 7:18 PM TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT WE NEED TO HAVE OR ARE WE PREPARED FOR A MOTION? MS. BRUCE? GO RIGHT AHEAD.

THE CASE NUMBER ONE SECOND.

UH, IN CASE NUMBER Z 1 5 2 3 2 4, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

OKAY, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER E TWO, WHICH IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO GENERAL RETAIL.

MS. CAESAR HAD OUR LIGHT ON SO I'LL GIVE HER THE SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY UNREADINESS HEARING AND SEEING NONE.

ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.

A AYE.

THOSE OPPOSED.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY NAY.

MOTION PASSES SIX TO ONE.

[2. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council for a requested zoning change from Neighborhood Services (NS) to General Retail (GR). The property is located at the northeast corner of E. Belt Line and S. Polk Street, addressed 801 E. Belt Line Road, DeSoto, Texas. The applicant is Melissa Harnett and the owner is Imad Farah. (Case # Z-1525-24)]

UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EAST BELTLINE ROAD AND SOUTH PARK STREET.

UH, THE ADDRESS IS 8 0 1 EAST BELTLINE ROAD, SOTO, TEXAS.

THE APPLICANT IS MELISSA HORNET AND THE OWNER IS, UH, UH, IMAN.

FARRAH, UH, THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1525 DASH 24.

UH, MS. M, YOU ARE ALREADY IN POSITION.

GOOD EVENING TO YOU.

AND MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER.

UH, MR. M WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UM, DIVISION.

THIS IS A ZONING ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO GENERAL RETAIL.

IT IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EAST BELTLINE ROAD AND SOUTH PARK STREET.

IT IS ADDRESSED AS 8 0 1 EAST BELTLINE ROAD AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY 0.55 ACRES IN SIZE.

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THE SURROUNDING ZONINGS INCLUDES TO THE NORTH IS VACANT LAND THAT IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY.

EIGHT TO THE SOUTH IS VACANT LAND THAT IS ZONED PLANT DEVELOPMENT.

1 33 TO THE EAST IS VACANT LAND THAT IS ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND TO THE WEST IS THE GAS IS A FUEL STATION THAT IS ZONED GENERAL RETAIL.

THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE PROPOSED ZONING CHANGE IS THEREFORE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AGAIN, THIS PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND THE REQUEST IS TO REASON FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO GENERAL RETAIL TO TO OPERATE AN OIL CHANGE FACILITY.

AND OIL CHANGE IS CLASSIFIED UNDER AUTO REPAIR.

MINER AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, WHICH IS THE CURRENT ZONING, DOES NOT PERMIT AUTO SERVICE MINOR.

HOWEVER, GENERAL RETAIL WILL ALLOW AUTO SERVICE MINOR BUT WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.

THEREFORE THE APPLICANT IS SUBMITTED THIS ZONING REQUEST TOGETHER WITH A COMPANION SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR AUTO REPAIR MINOR SO THAT THEY CAN BE ABLE TO DO THE OIL CHANGE.

NOTICE OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING WAS, UH, PUBLISHED ON AUGUST 11TH, 2024 IN THE DAILY FOCUS NEWSPAPER AND 20 20 22 NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THIS SUBJECT SITE.

NO LETTERS WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE THE REQUESTS OF THE REASONING FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES TO GENERAL RETAIL IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THE REQUEST TO MAKE TO REASON THIS PROPERTY FROM NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE GENERATOR.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

UNFORTUNATELY THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER, BUT THE STAFF, UM, RECOMMENDATION IS THAT, UH, THIS, UH, REQUEST BE DENIED BECAUSE IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN, WHICH IS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

THANK YOU MS. RAZZI.

MS. BRISCO, RIGHT AHEAD.

REAL QUICK QUESTION MS. RAZZI, UM, SHOULD WE HEAR THE NEXT CASE OR UH, VOTE DENYING THIS AUTOMATICALLY DENIES THE COMPANION? YES.

YES BECAUSE UM, THIS NEXT ITEM IS COMPANION TO THIS.

THIS HAS TO BE APPROVED OR DENIED FIRST.

BEFORE WE CAN APPROVE OR DENY THE NEXT ONE, MS. ? YES.

COULD YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE SIX? ARE THOSE 22 NOTIFICATIONS, WERE THEY MOSTLY TO RETAIL OR WERE THERE SOME RESIDENCES? JUST SOME RESIDENCES.

ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALL RIGHT.

HEARING IS SEEING NONE THE TIME IS NOW 7:23 PM WE'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE ITEM.

UH, YOU SAID MS. MOONY RISES THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.

WELL, WITH THE APPLICANT NOT BEING HERE IS THERE, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER CONCERN CITIZEN, UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM, EITHER IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION, UH, THIS WOULD BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD.

I'LL ASK AGAIN, IS THERE ANY CONCERNED CITIZEN OR INTERESTED PARTY WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM? THIS IS THE CHANGE FOR THE ZONING FOR THE OIL.

THIS IS THE OIL? YES MA'AM.

THIS IS THE MAY I SPEAK? ABSOLUTELY, YES MA'AM.

ALL I WOULD DO IS I WOULD ASK THAT YOU FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AFTER YOU GIVE YOUR COMMENTS TO MR. TRENT CARROLL.

IF YOU, YOU JUST GIVE TO HIM OR YOU GIVE TO MR. JORDAN WILLIAMS. OH, AND THAT'S FINE.

YOU CAN ALWAYS FILL IT OUT AFTERWARDS, BUT YOU CAN COME ON UP AND, AND WE WILL, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

AROUND IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD AND SOMEONE IS GOING TO PUT AN OIL EXCHANGE LITTLE VENUE THERE THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

SORRY IF I LOOK LIKE RICK CHARLES HERE, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT UM, IF IT'S ON THE, UH, REZONING FOR THE AREA ON POLK STREET FOR OIL EX, UH, CHANGE, UH, COME ON.

UH, YOU KNOW, I WE'RE BETTER THAN THIS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ENVIRONMENT OVER THERE FOR THE ANIMALS AND JUST THE ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE, PERIOD.

AND YOU HAVE PEOPLE

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I'M SORRY.

IT IS JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT RIGHT.

UM, IT REMINDS ME OF FIGHTING WITH MELISSA TEXAS ON SOME SAME STUFF LIKE THAT AND I ENDED UP CALLING SENATOR JOHN CORNYN TO SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT.

YOU, YOU, YOU JUST REALLY, I MEAN I KNOW THAT, UH, PEOPLE BRING UH, THINGS TO THE CITY, UH, TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING AND YOU PASS THEM ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

BUT I, UH, AS A CITIZEN, AND I'M SORRY I FORGOT TO TELL YA, ANNA WILLIAMS 34 YEARS IN DESOTA AND, UM, 7 5 1 1 5 DESOTA, TEXAS.

BUT I, I I JUST CAN'T, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE IT.

I'M SORRY.

I WAS TRYING TO RUSH TO PICK MY GRANDCHILDREN UP SO THEY COULD EAT AND UM, THIS, THIS IS JUST ABSOLUTELY NOT RIGHT AND UM, IT'S JUST NOT, WE TRIED TO EAST OAK, UH, YEAH, I'M SAYING THE EAST OAK CLUB, EAST DESOTA, WHEN THERE'S BAD STUFF TO BE PUT IN, WE GET IT.

WHEN THERE ISN'T GOOD STUFF, IT'S MOVED TO THE WEST, BUT TO THE EAST IT'S, IT'S LIKE CRIMINALS COME IN AND, AND THIS IS A CRIMINAL SCENE FOR US TO PUT AN OIL EXCHANGE PLACE RIGHT THERE AT PO.

AND UM, SO I I I, I'LL, I DISAGREE WITH IT AND YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE THERE THAT'S CLOSE TO THIS, UM, OIL EXCHANGE THAT HAVE HOMES THERE.

YOU GOT CHILDREN THERE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF CARS COME OUT.

UM, I KNOW ONE LITTLE BOY WAS HIT IN THAT AREA AND, AND WE ARE GOING TO, UH, HIT MORE CHILDREN WHEN THEY COME OUTTA THE SCHOOL.

AND I, I'M, I'M SORRY, I'M OPPOSED TO IT.

I JUST THINK TONIGHT AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE A CAMPAIGN, BUT I'M, I'M SITTING HERE UNTIL WHATEVER Y'ALL DECIDE BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT RIGHT AND UM, I'VE, I'VE BEEN HERE TOO LONG TO SEE DE SODA HAVE DETERIORATING PIECES OF PROPERTY.

IT'S DETERIORATING.

IT'S, IT'S NOT A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN PUT A NICE LITTLE RESTAURANT OR A NICE LITTLE VENUE OR SOMETHING THERE, BUT WE GET THE WORST OF PUTTING PROPERTY THERE, THE ION BATTERIES.

AND NOW THIS THANK YOU.

YES MA'AM.

I I'LL, I'LL FINISH IT OUT.

OKAY, WELL I APPRECIATE THAT.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THERE ANY OTHER CONCERNED CITIZEN OR INTERESTED PARTY WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM, EITHER IN OPPOSITION OR IN FAVOR OF THIS AGENDA ITEM? I'LL ASK ONE LAST TIME.

IS THERE ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY OR CONCERNED CITIZEN WHO'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AT 7:28 PM TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, IS THERE ANY OTHER FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ARE WE PREPARED FOR A MOTION? MOTION? MR. RAVEN? I'LL GO RIGHT AHEAD.

UH, RELATIVE TO CASE C 1 5 2 5 DASH 24 I, MY MOTION IS THAT WE FOLLOW OUR STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND DENY REQUEST.

SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. RAVENNA.

IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY MS. BROOKS.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY UN READINESS HEARING AND SEEING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.

AND SO MS. RAZZI, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, DOES IT ALSO TAKE CARE OF THE NEXT ITEM? DO WE NEED TO HEAR THE ITEM OR DO WE STILL NEED TO CALL IT? OKAY, SO I WILL NOW CALL THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO OBTAIN A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT OR SUP IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE A AUTO REPAIR MINOR, UH, MINOR OR CHANGE FACILITY AT 8 0 1 EAST BELINE ROAD.

THOSE OPPOSED? AND THE SAME THING, SAY NAY.

AYE HAVE SEVEN ZERO.

[3. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council for an applicant's request to obtain a Specific Use Permit (SUP) in order to establish and operate an Auto Repair, Minor (Oil Change Facility) at 801 E. Belt Line Road. The property is located at the northeast corner of E. Belt Line Road and S Polk Street. The applicant is Melissa Harnett and the property owner is Imad Farah. (Case # Z-1526-24)]

UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED NORTHEAST CORNER OF EAST BELINE ROAD AND SOUTH POLK STREET.

THE APPLICANT IS MELISSA HORNET AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS AM AHMAD FARRA AND THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1 15 26 DASH 24 AT MS. MOON RISING.

WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.

YES, THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR OIL CHANGE FACILITY AND IT'S LOCATED AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF EAST BELTLINE ROAD AND SOUTH PARK STREET.

ADDRESSED IS 8 0 1 EAST BELTLINE ROAD AND IT IS APPROXIMATELY 0.55 ACRES IN SIZE IS AGAIN, THIS IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, WHICH IS

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A COMPANION CASE TO THE ZONING CHANGE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE JUST, UM, HAD.

THE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, WHICH IS NOT, WHICH DOES NOT PERMIT AUTO REPAIR.

MINER GENERAL RETAIL ALLOW AUTO REPAIR MINOR WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT WITH THE DENIAL OF THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING IN CASE THIS SUP CANNOT MOVE FORWARD.

AGAIN, THIS ITEM WAS PUBLISHED IN DAILY FOCUS NEWS ON AUGUST 11TH, 2024 AND 22.

NOTIFICATIONS WERE SENT TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THIS SUBJECT SITE AND NO LETTERS WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION OR IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION.

THESE WERE THESE, UM, THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED TO US.

THE ONE ON THE LEFT IS THE SIDE PLAN, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE, UM, LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED DUE TO THE DENIAL OF THE COMPANION CASE, THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE REQUEST FOR AN SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS SUBMITTED AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE.

LET'S TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:31 PM IS THERE ANY INTERESTED, UH, PARTY OR CONCERN CITIZEN WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD EITHER IN FAVOR OF OPPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM? I WILL ASK AGAIN, ANY CITIZEN LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA.

ITEM HEARING IS SEEING NONE WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AT 7 31 TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, COMMISSIONERS.

HUH? UM, MS. YOU WANNA SPEAK AGAIN MS. LEE? YES.

ALRIGHT, MR. SMITH.

SORRY, I, I DON'T SPEAKING.

NO, NO.

BEFORE YOU GO FORWARD, UM, MR. CITY ATTORNEY, GO AHEAD MICHELLE.

SO IF YOU'VE ALREADY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'LL, YOU WILL HAVE TO REOPEN IT.

UM, I CAN'T REMEMBER IF YOU DID OR NOT.

SO SINCE I'VE ALREADY CLOSED I APOLOGIZE, BUT, BUT I, I DO THINK WE, WE HAVE YOUR POSITION, UH, ON HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THIS ITEM SINCE IT WAS TIED TO THE LAST ITEM.

ALRIGHT? YES, MA'AM.

YOU SIR.

AND I HAVE ONE MORE COMMENT AS WELL.

YES SIR.

IF Y'ALL ARE READY.

UM, I'M SURE IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS BUT UH, GIVEN THAT THE OTHER ONE DID NOT PASS, UM, THIS SUP CANNOT BE ALLOWED IN A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DISTRICT.

UM, THE USE IS NOT PERMITTED IN THIS, UM, IN NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.

SO IT'S ARGUABLE YOU MUST DENY IT UNLESS YOU WANT TO, UM, CONTINUE IT FOR SOME REASON PENDING AN APPLICANT WITHDRAWAL.

OKAY? AND AS ALWAYS SIR, WE APPRECIATE YOUR GUIDANCE.

UH, IS THERE A MOTION, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION MR. RENELL? YES, UH, CHAIRMAN, I RELATIVE, RELATIVE TO CASE Z 1 15 26 DASH 24, I RECOMMEND THAT WE DENY THE REQUEST FOR AN SUP AND AGAIN, I SECOND THAT MOTION.

IT'S BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND IT'S BEEN SECONDED, UH, THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL AS IT RELATES TO CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1526 DASH 24.

ANY UNREADINESS HEARING AND SEEING NONE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.

WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR REGULAR AGENDA AND WE'LL GO TO ITEM F1, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A REQUEST FOR A ONE YEAR EXTENSION AND RE, UH, REINSTATEMENT OF PARKVILLE MEADOWS.

THOSE OPPOSED TO DO THE SAME, SAY NAY, THE AYES HAVE IT.

SEVEN ZERO.

[1. Consider a request for a one-year extension and restatement of Parkerville Meadows Phase IV preliminary plat located south of W. Parkerville Road, east of S. Westmoreland Road and west of Hampton Road. The applicant and owner is Keith Davis of Parkerville LP. (Case #PP-348-24).]

PHASE FOUR PRELIMINARY PLAT LOCATED SOUTH OF WEST PARKVILLE ROAD, EAST OF SOUTHWEST MO ROAD AND WEST OF HAMPTON ROAD.

THE APPLICANT AND OWNER IS KEITH DAVIS OF PARKVILLE LP.

THIS IS CASE NUMBER PP DASH 3 4 8 DASH 24.

MS. MOON, MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES.

SO THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL PRELIMINARY PLOT FOR PARKER VIEW MEDALS.

THE PRELIMINARY PLOT ACCORDING TO SECTION 10.206 N SAYS THAT, UH, PRELIMINARY PLOT ARE GOOD FOR TWO YEARS.

AFTER TWO YEARS THEY EXPIRE.

SO THIS PARTICULAR PRE PRELIMINARY PLOT WAS APPROVED IN JULY 19TH, 2022 AND EXPIRED IN ON JULY 19TH, 2024.

HOWEVER, IN SECTION 10.207 A THERE IS, UH, THAT SECTION TALKS ABOUT THE ABILITY THAT THE APPLICANT HAS THAT THEY CAN ASK THE COMMISSION TO REINSTATE THE PRELIMINARY PLA WITH PRIOR OR FOLLOWING 60 DAYS OF EXPIRE OF THE PRELIMINARY PLA.

SO THE APPLICANT IS COMING BEFORE YOU ASKING THAT YOU REINSTATE THE, THE PRELIMINARY PART.

AS I SAID AGAIN, IT EXPIRED ON ON THE 22ND OF, UH, JULY, 2024.

SO THEY ARE STILL WITHIN THEIR 60 DAYS THAT THE, UH, ZONING ORDINANCE

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ALLOWS FOR THEM TO APPLY FOR REINSTATE REINSTATEMENT.

UH, THE REASON WHY THE APPLICANT IS, UH, WAS NOT ABLE TO DO THEIR FINAL PLOT WAS BECAUSE THEY HAD, UH, SOME COMPLICATIONS WITH, UH, THEIR, UH, CONSTRUCTION, CIVIL ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT WERE NOT APPROVED IN A TIMELY FASHION FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO TO START CONSTRUCTION.

SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY THEY HAD SOME DELAYS.

SO THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR INFRASTRUCTURE IN IN PLACE, WHICH WILL THEN ALLOW THEM TO FILE FOR A FINAL PLA.

SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR ONE YEAR EXTENSION AND UM, WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION THEY CAN BE ABLE TO DO THEIR FINAL PLOT.

AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING, THE, UM, APPLICANT IS READY TO, UM, SUBMIT THEIR ONE, UH, THEIR FINAL PLOT FOR PHASE FOUR A, WHICH IS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

THE WHOLE PLOT IS, LEMME SEE HERE.

YEAH, THIS IS THE, UM, THIS IS THE, THE, THE PHASE FOUR, WHICH IS THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE.

AND THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE IS ALREADY DEVELOPED.

SO THE, THE, THIS PHASE FOUR IS THIS PORTION AND THIS PORTION, HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT'S APPLICANT PLANS TO START WITH THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE, ACTUALLY IN A FEW WEEKS THEY WILL BE SUBMITTING THE FINAL PLAN FOR THIS PORTION AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY WILL SUBMIT A FINAL PLOT FOR THIS PORTION AND THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR ONE YEAR, SINCE RIGHT NOW THEIR PRELIMINARY PLOT IS EXPIRED, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR ONE MORE YEAR TO BE ABLE TO DO THEIR FINAL PLOT ON HERE FOR THIS ONE AND THEN THIS ONE.

AND THEY ARE, I I, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR THIS PHASE FOUR A, THEY ARE ALREADY IN PLACE AND THEY ARE GETTING READY TO UH, GET OUR ENGINEERING TO, TO WALK TO DO A WALKTHROUGH AND GET THEIR APPROVAL AND THEN THEY WILL BE ABLE TO SUBMIT THEIR FINAL PLAN AND I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

AND LET ME SHOW YOU THE AREA OF VIEW.

SO THIS IS THE PHASE FOUR A THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU SOMETIME SOON.

AND THEN AFTERWARDS THIS WILL BE THE FINAL FOUR, PHASE FOUR B THAT THEY WILL BRING BEFORE YOU, BEFORE THE ONE YEAR EXTENSION THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. ZI.

UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF MR. BELL AND THEN MS. CAESAR? UH, GOOD EVENING MS. ZI.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AS ALWAYS.

UH, I'VE GOT JUST ONE QUESTION, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY.

THE APPLICANT'S PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH WAS APPROVED TWO YEARS AGO, HAS SINCE LASTED 50 DAYS AGO.

MM-HMM , HOWEVER THEY HAVE 60 DAYS WITH WHICH TO UH, REQUEST AN EXTENSION AND THEY HAVE, THEY ARE REQUESTING THIS EXTENSION NOW FOR ONE YEAR.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

ALRIGHT, SO THEY ARE STILL WITH THEM BECAUSE UH, THE SECTION SECTION 10.2078 SAYS PRIOR OR FOLLOWING, SO WE ARE WITHIN FOLLOWING THE 60 DAYS FOLLOWING THE EXPIRY.

THANK YOU MS. CAESAR? YES.

GOOD EVENING MS. MOZZI.

GOOD EVENING.

UM, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PORTION A ON THE LEFT HAND CORNER IS COMING.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT.

NO, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE ALL.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH OF THEM? YES, BOTH OF THEM.

BECAUSE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS BOTH OF THEM.

THE THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE AND THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE.

BUT YOU SPLIT THEM UP AND SAID THAT THE PORTION ON THE LEFT WOULD BE COMING BEFORE US FIRST AND THEN, BUT WE, IF WE VOTED ON THIS, WE ARE GIVING PERMISSION FOR THE EXTENSION OF ONE YEAR FOR BOTH PORTIONS.

YES, BECAUSE WHAT WE ARE YOU'LL BE VOTING FOR IS THE WHOLE PRELIMINARY PLOT, BOTH THE PORTIONS, NOT THE, THE PORTIONS.

I WAS JUST, I MEAN GIVING YOU INFORMATION ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO FINALIZE THAT THEY'RE NOT JUST GOING TO FINALIZE AS A WHOLE LIKE THIS.

OKAY? THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT THIS PHASE FIRST AND THEN THE NEXT PHASE.

I UNDERSTAND.

YOU ARE WELCOME COMMISSIONERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? OKAY, HEARING IS SAYING NONE.

IS THERE A MOTION? MR. BEL? GO AHEAD.

UM, WITH REGARD TO CASE NUMBER PP DASH 3 48 DASH 24, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY, IT'S BEEN MOVED.

SECOND MR. CHAIR.

OKAY, IF IT, IT IS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED, UM, IS THERE ANY UN READINESS

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HEARING AND SEEING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.

NOW I'M GOING TO CALL THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, HOWEVER, IMMEDIATELY AFTER I CALL THE NEXT ITEM ON AGENDA, I'LL BE SEEKING TO, I'LL BE SEEING IF THERE IS GOING TO BE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM BECAUSE THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM DOES NOT INVOLVE AN APPLICANT.

THOSE OPPOSED DO THE SAME AND SAY NAY AYES HAVE IT.

SEVEN ZERO.

[2. Discuss the City's Zoning Ordinance Section 24, Multiple Family District-18 in reference to the Hampton Road Character Code's Multi-Unit Living regulations]

THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM DOES NOT INVOLVE ANY TYPE OF CITIZEN PARTICIPATION.

SO THEREFORE, AND IT IS JUST A DISCUSSION.

SO I WILL, I'M GOING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE COMMISSION, UH, WOULD LIKE TO TABLE THIS DISCUSSION TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE FEBRUARY 24TH OR IF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO PROCEED WITH A DISCUSSION SEPTEMBER.

UH, SEPTEMBER.

I DON'T, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW.

I I'M TRYING TO GO BACK IN TIME.

I, I KNOW BOY, EITHER, EITHER I'M GOING BACK IN TIME OR IN TIME.

BUT ONE THING FOR SURE I WENT ON TIME .

OKAY, SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS I, I'M GONNA READ IT AND THEN I WILL SEE IF THERE'S A MOTION TO TABLE IT TO OUR NEXT MEETING, WHICH WILL BE SEPTEMBER 24TH OF 24TH.

ALRIGHT, SO THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM IS F TWO IS DISCUSSED.

THIS CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 24, MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT HAS 18 IN REFERENCE TO HAMPTON ROAD, ER, COAST MULTI-UNIT LIVING REGULATIONS.

THAT'S THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

THE COMMISSIONER, SINCE IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION, IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS ITEM OR DO YOU, WOULD YOU WANT TO PROCEED WITH THIS DISCUSSION? MR. REVENUE? MR. CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE TABLE THIS ITEM TO OUR NEXT MEETING, SEPTEMBER THE 24TH.

SECOND THAT MR. CHAIR, IT HAS BEEN MOVED BY MR. RAVENAL.

THERE HAS BEEN A SECOND BY MS. CAESAR.

IS THERE ANY UN READINESS HEARING AND SEEING NONE? ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.

A A THOSE OPPOSED TO DO THE SAME AND SAY NAY.

SEVEN, SEVERAL

[G. ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST Discussion will be limited to the following pursuant to Gov’t Code 551.0415: (1) Expressions of thanks, congratulations, or condolence; (2) information regarding holiday schedules; (3) a recognition of an individual; (4) a reminder about an upcoming Planning & Zoning events; (5) information regarding a social, ceremonial, or community event; and (5) announcements involving an imminent threat to the public health and safety.]

AND ZERO.

LAST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST COMMISSIONERS.

ARE THERE ANY ITEMS, I'M NOT GONNA READ IT THIS TIME AROUND, BUT ARE THERE ANY ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST WE NEED TO DISCUSS? COMMISSIONERS.

ALRIGHT HERE AND SEEING NONE STAFF.

UH, MS. MOON, GO RIGHT HERE.

I JUST WANTED TO REMIND THE COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THE, UM, BANQUET ON THE 19TH STARTING AT SIX 30.

SO WE'D LOVE TO SEE YOU ALL IN YOUR, IN YOUR ADA, WHAT ARE THEY CALLING THEM? THE GOWNS? IT'S VERY FORMAL, SO WE WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU IN YOUR OTHER CLOTHES ON THE 19TH.

IT'S, THEY, IT SAYS, UH, UNITED THE OSCARS.

SO YES.

SO YOU NEED TO DRESS ACCORDINGLY.