Aug 19, 2024 City Council Special Meeting

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE, IF I COULD GET YOUR ATTENTION, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START OUR SPECIAL MEETING, I WANT TO WELCOME YOU ALL TO THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE DESOTO CITY COUNCIL. IT IS MONDAY, AUGUST 19, 2024. I'M GOING TO ASK IF OUR CITY SECRETARY, MISS ALICIA THOMAS, WOULD START US OFF WITH A ROLL CALL. PLEASE YES, MA'AM. MAYOR RACHEL PROCTOR HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM LETICIA HUGHES. I'M SORRY. HERE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER NICOLE RAPHAEL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDRE BYRD HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER DIANA MARKS HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER CRYSTAL CHISHOLM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS THOMAS. WE'LL NOW HAVE THE FIRST

[a. Presentation of proclamation honoring National Senior Citizens Day]

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[b. Recognition of the Police Department promotions for Captain Grady Kirkland, Lieutenant Robby Stevenson, Sergeant John Holder and Corporal Brandon Quick]

GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS NEXT UP, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIEUTENANT ROBBIE STEVENSON GET PROMOTED FROM SERGEANT TO LIEUTENANT. AND HIS WIFE, MICHELLE STEVENSON WILL PIN ON HIS BADGE. COME ON UP, MICHELLE. HOLD ON.

YOU CAN STAB HIM IF YOU WANT. IT'S OKAY. IT'S SUPPOSED T PRACTICE THIS THE DAY BEFORE, BUT OBVIOUSLY THEY DIDN'T. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. SIR, THE THREE.

AND LAST BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, TONIGHT IS CAPTAIN GRADY KIRKLAND. THE SECOND HIS WIFE, MELISSA KIRKLAND, WILL PIN ON HIS BADGE. COME ON UP, CAPTAIN KIRK. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU SO. MUCH. THAT'S ALL WE HAVE TONIGHT. LET'S GIVE HIM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE TO ALL OUR PROMOTION PEOPLE. THANK YOU. YOU GOT. IT. THANK YOU, CHIEF. AND

[c. Presentation of Financial Report July 2024]

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SO WE'RE RIGHT THERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF WHERE WE LIKE TO BE FOR OUR GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. NEXT IS OUR PUBLIC UTILITY FUND. AGAIN AT 83% INTO THE FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVE COLLECTED 81.7% OF OUR REVENUE IN THE PUBLIC UTILITY FUND. WE HAVE LISTED HERE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES OF COURSE, OUR MAIN SOURCE IS GOING TO BE OUR WATER SALES. THAT'S BUDGETED AT 12 MILLION, AND OUR SEWER SALES AS BUDGETED AT 15 MILLION. WE ARE AT 77.8% AND 79.6%, RESPECTIVELY. ON THOSE TWO, IN ADDITION TO OTHER REVENUE SUCH AS WATER CONNECTIONS. OUR INTEREST REVENUE, OF COURSE, IS STILL UP AS WELL. DUE TO MARKET CONDITIONS. WE HAVE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE AND OF COURSE OUR PENALTIES AND OUR FEES OVERALL FOR REVENUE. WE'RE LOOKING AT 81.7% COMPARED TO 76.4% IN FISCAL YEAR 2023. ON THE RIGHT SIDE, WE HAVE OUR EXPENDITURES LISTED. THESE ARE BY CATEGORY. OUR PUBLIC UTILITY ADMINISTRATION, FOLLOWED BY OUR UTILITY BILLING AND CUSTOMER ACCOUNTS. THIS IS WHERE A LOT OF THE, SOME OF THE DAY TO DAY EXPENSES. EXPENDITURES MOSTLY IT'S GOING TO BE OUR SOFTWARE AND HOSTING FEES ARE HOUSED IN HERE. THEN WE HAVE OUR UTILITY FIELD OPERATIONS. OF COURSE, THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF OUR PERSONNEL COST IS GOING TO COME OUT, IN THE PUBLIC UTILITY FUND, 18 MILLION BUDGETED THERE. THIS IS ALSO THE LINE ITEM WHERE WE PAY DALLAS WATER UTILITIES FOR OUR WATER. AND YEAR TO DATE, WE'RE LOOKING AT 14.7 MILLION ON OUR ACTUAL EXPENDITURES. THAT'S AT 81.7%, RIGHT? WHERE WE WANT TO BE THIS TIME OF YEAR. AND THEN OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES 86.6%. IN THE WATER FUND VERSUS THIS TIME LAST YEAR, 75% LAST YEAR, WE HAD A FEW VACANCIES THAT DID CONTRIBUTE TO THAT BEING A LITTLE BIT LOWER. THIS TIME LAST YEAR. BUT THIS IS RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING THIS YEAR, 86.6% IN THE PUBLIC UTILITY FUND, THE PUBLIC UTILITY FUND CONTINUES TO LOOK GOOD AND BE HEALTHY. OUR SANITATION FUND, THIS IS OUR THIRD AND LAST, MAJOR REVENUE FOR THE CITY. THIS, OF COURSE, IS A SELF-SUPPORTING FUND. SO YOU WILL OFTEN SEE THE BUDGETED AMOUNT IS ABOUT EQUAL TO THE BUDGETED AMOUNT OF REVENUE IS ABOUT EQUAL TO THE BUDGETED AMOUNT OF EXPENDITURES. IT'S BEEN THAT WAY IN THE SANITATION FUND FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW, AS WE TRY TO WORK ON BUILDING UP THAT FUND BALANCE. BUT EACH REVENUE CATEGORY IS LISTED HERE. WE HAVE OUR TAX RETAINAGE, WHICH IS THE WHICH IS THE AMOUNT OF FEES THAT WE GET TO RETAIN AFTER WE PAY TAXES ON OUR SANITATION COSTS. WE HAVE OUR SANITATION

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SO WE GOT OUR COMMERCIAL AND OUR RESIDENTIAL LISTED RIGHT HERE, THE 5.9 MILLION AND THE 1 MILLION. AND WE'RE RIGHT ON SCHEDULE OR AHEAD ON BOTH OF THOSE. SO TOTAL REVENUE IN THE SANITATION FUND IS 87.6% VERSUS 84.9% IN 2023. OUR EXPENSES IN THE SANITATION FUND CORRESPOND WITH PERSONNEL AT. 490,067.3%, SO PLENTY OF CUSHION THERE. STILL PROBABLY A FEW VACANCIES THAT EXIST THERE. THEN WE HAVE SUPPLIES, SERVICE AND PROFESSIONAL FEES, AND A TRANSFER TO OTHER FUNDS WHICH WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING BUDGETED THERE. THIS FISCAL YEAR TOTAL.

BUT TOTAL REVISED. EXPENDITURES 6.989. YEAR TO DATE ACTUAL 4.947. AND THAT PUTS US AT 70.8% FOR SANITATION EXPENDITURES. IN YOUR PACKETS, YOU ALSO HAVE THE HUB REPORT, WHICH HAS US AT A YEAR TO DATE AMOUNT JUST BELOW 5%. WE YOU HAVE YOUR PROPERTY TAX COLLECTIONS REPORT AND ALSO YOUR LIST OF OTHER FUNDS, YOUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS, YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDS AND, ANY OTHER FUNDS THAT ARE NOT LISTED WITHIN THIS SUMMARY ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR REPORT. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE. THANK YOU, MISS SUTTON COUNCIL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE PRESENTATION OF THE JULY FINANCIAL REPORT? YES, DOCTOR MARX, THANK YOU, MISS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THIS EVENING. WE DO APPRECIATE IT.

THIS IS ACTUALLY A QUESTION FOR MR. LACEY FROM OUR WATER DEPARTMENT. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TURN. AS YOU ARE COMING, I KNOW THAT WE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. AND IF I PROBABLY JUST CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT, THE SENIOR DISCOUNT THAT THAT SUBJECT CAME UP BEFORE, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE ENROLLED IN THAT PROGRAM? AND MAYBE IT'S A TOPIC FOR ANOTHER TIME, BUT DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY SENIORS WE HAVE ENROLLED IN THAT PROGRAM? YES. ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. AND COUNCIL. I DO NOT HAVE THAT EXACT ANSWER. I CAN TRY TO DIG DOWN INTO IT TO SEE HOW MANY WE DO HAVE ENROLLED IN OUR SENIOR, HOW MANY ACCOUNTS ARE RECEIVING OUR SENIOR DISCOUNT? OKAY WHAT CONCERNS ME IS I KNOW THAT THERE ARE. WELL OVER 3000 OF SENIORS THAT ARE HERE IN DESOTO. SO I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MANY ARE ENROLLED IN THAT PROGRAM. AND THEN I WANT TO KNOW, WHAT TYPE OF ADVERTISEMENT HAVE WE MADE? WHAT WHAT HAS BEEN THE PUSH TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE PROGRAM? SO, OKAY, SO AS FAR YOU SAID IT IS ADVERTISING. YES.

MAKING IT PUBLIC. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN GET A DISCOUNT. YES, MA'AM. SO A COUPLE SO MUCH AS TO HOW MUCH IT IS. BUT WHEN YOU'RE IN THAT AGE GROUP EVERY PENNY COUNTS. OKAY.

SO YES, MA'AM, A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS TOPIC, WE ACTUALLY PUT IT IN THE CITY MANAGER'S REPORT. AND THEN I BELIEVE ABOUT THREE TIMES A YEAR, WE ALSO PUT A BILL BACKER IN. AND THEN WE ALSO EXPLAINED IT TO THEM AT THE FRONT COUNTER. AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, WITH THE SENIOR DISCOUNTS, WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THAT, THE SENIOR ACTUALLY HAS TO HAVE THE ACCOUNT IN THEIR NAME. SO A LOT OF TIMES, AS WE MENTIONED BEFORE, IF THEY'RE IN ANY TYPE OF ASSISTED LIVING OR ANY TYPE OF, SHALL WE SAY SENIOR LIVING, WHERE ALL BILLS OR THE WATER BILL IS NOT NECESSARILY BEING PAID. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT. SO EVEN THOUGH THAT WE HAVE 3000 SENIORS HERE, THEY MIGHT NOT ALL HAVE A BILL THAT'S ACTUALLY IN THEIR NAME OR BE PAYING A WATER BILL IF THEY'RE IN SOME SORT OF SENIOR LIVING FACILITY. THAT'S GREAT INFORMATION, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND AS TO PERHAPS GET US THAT NUMBER, I'D LOVE TO KNOW HOW MANY WE HAVE. YEAH, I CAN DRILL DOWN AND GET YOU THE NUMBER OF ACCOUNTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY RECEIVING A SENIOR DISCOUNT, AND WE'LL SEND IT TO THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. YES COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. LACEY. THANK YOU, MISS SUTTON, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. WHAT DID YOU DO, I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE WATER, SO IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE THERE, NON-DEPARTMENTAL IS SHOWING 99% 0.8 RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN THERE, SO I'M GOING TO YIELD THAT ONE TO MISS SUTTON. I KNOW A LOT OF OUR, TRANSFERS TO THE GENERAL FUND ARE TYPICALLY. SO ANY AIR IT EQUIPMENT FEES, ANYTHING THAT WE PAY BACK AS FAR

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THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT NON-DEPARTMENTAL. YOU KNOW THAT, EARLIER TODAY I ASKED ABOUT THAT AND YOU AND THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION, JUST AS YOU JUST SAID. WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE FINAL BENEFIT PAY, INSIDE OF THE ACTUAL NON-DEPARTMENTAL AT THE GENERAL LEVEL, THERE IS TWO LINE ITEMS THERE AND THEN THERE'S ONE HERE.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND HOW, I MEAN, ARE THEY ALL DISPARATE AMONGST ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS? AND THE ONE THAT'S IN THE GENERAL FUND IS WHAT THE ONE IS FOR THE GENERAL FUND.

THAT'S THAT'S OF COURSE, THE CHIEF OPERATING FUND. SO THAT'S ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT BESIDES THE PROPRIETARY FUNDS. SO IT'S BASICALLY ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS BESIDES BRANDON LACEY'S DEPARTMENTS, SO WHENEVER ANY GENERAL FUND EMPLOYEE, FIRE POLICE AND OF COURSE, WE KNOW FIRE AND POLICE, THEIR BENEFITS ARE DIFFERENT, THEIR BENEFITS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN SOME OF OUR OTHER BENEFITS FOR OTHER CIVILIANS. AND SO WHEN THEY RETIRE, IF THEY'VE BEEN HERE 20 YEARS, WELL, YOU KNOW, THAT AMOUNT THAT WE PAY THE GENERAL FUND THAT COMES OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO FIRE POLICE, ALL OF THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT, THERE ARE TWO LINE ITEMS THAT WERE IN YOUR DETAIL THAT I SENT TO YOU, BUT THOSE SHOULD ALL BE COMING OUT OF THE ONE LINE ITEM. I'M GOING TO CLEAN THAT UP FOR YOU, BUT IT SHOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE FINAL BENEFIT PAY EXPENSE LINE ITEM ITSELF. THE ONE THAT HAS 400,000 BUDGETED. AND WE DO REALIZE THAT WE'RE OVER, YOU KNOW, YEAR TO DATE, WE'RE AT 695,000. OF COURSE, THAT'S ONE OF THE ONES, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE AN UNEXPECTED RETIREMENT THAT YOU WASN'T EXPECTING OR UNEXPECTEDLY, A LONG TIME STAFFER IS LEAVING THE ORGANIZATION, AND THAT UNFORTUNATELY HITS THAT LINE ITEM AS WELL. OKAY. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK.

COUNCILMEMBER RAFAEL, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IF WE GO TO THE OTHER FUNDS PAGE LOOKING AT THE REVENUES, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE REVENUES RELATED TO THE MUNICIPAL COURT, TECHNOLOGY, MUNICIPAL COURT, SECURITY AND. YEAH, IF I CAN GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT MEANS IN THIS REVENUE CATEGORY. OKAY. LUCKILY WE HAVE MELISSA HERE FROM COURT AND HOPEFULLY SHE CAN GIVE US BETTER INSIGHT ON ON WHAT GOES IN THOSE REVENUE LINE ITEMS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU. GOOD EVENING. THERE YOU GO. AND MADAM MAYOR, YES. SO THOSE ARE DEDICATED FUNDS THAT WE COLLECT EVERY TICKET EXCEPT FOR PARKING AND PEDESTRIAN CITATIONS. WE'RE GOING TO COLLECT THOSE AMOUNTS. SO THERE ARE, I BELIEVE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS $4. AND THE SECURITY FUND IS $5.90. AND WE HAVE TO USE THOSE FUNDS FOR VERY SPECIFIC THINGS. SO IT WOULD BE LIKE THE BUILDING SECURITY FOR THE COURT. WE PAY OUR MARSHAL.

PART OF HIS SALARY COMES OUT OF THE COURT SECURITY FUND. AND THEN TECHNOLOGY WOULD BE LIKE FOR THE BRAZOS TICKET RIDERS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT WE'LL BE USING THOSE FUNDS FOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT EXPLANATION. POINT OF ORDER.

WHAT WHAT PAGE I MEAN, POINT OF INFORMATION. WHAT PAGE WAS THAT ON? WHAT PAGE ON THE WHAT WHICH PAGE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? THERE'S NO PAGE NUMBER. OH. OTHER FUNDS. OTHER FUNDS. OKAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PARKER. I WILL MAKE SURE TO NUMBER THAT NUMBER THAT.

YES, BUT THAT IS ACTUALLY LOCATED ON THE OTHER FUNDS REVENUE PAGE. BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE NUMBER THOSE PAGES MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER RELATED TO REVENUE FUNDS, I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE NEW DIRECTION GRANT AND THE EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT FUND IN TERMS OF REVENUE. AND AS IT RELATES TO THE NEW DIRECTIONS GRANT, IS THAT IT'S JUST GOING DOWN. WELL, YEAH, I JUST WANT TO GET THAT UNDERSTANDING. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, COUNCILWOMAN RAPHAEL, I'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU ALL AND I'LL SEND THAT TO YOU. I DIDN'T

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[d. Presentation of STAR Transit updates]

AND.

THERE WE GO. SO I'LL. THERE WE GO. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE. WE ARE A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PROVIDER. AND WE'VE BEEN PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION FOR OVER 40 YEARS. WE ARE A POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND WE OPERATE ABOUT 235,000 TRIPS A YEAR WITH ABOUT 100 STAFF MEMBERS. AND THEN WE OPERATE ABOUT 55 TO 60 VEHICLES A DAY. WE'RE BASED OUT OF KAUFMAN COUNTY, WHERE WE ARE THE DESIGNATED RURAL TRANSIT DISTRICT. I SHOULD HAVE THIS MEMORIZED. AND WE ARE THE FOURTH LARGEST TRANSIT AGENCY IN THIS AREA, BEHIND DART, TRINITY METRO AND DCTA. AND WE DO NOT COLLECT.

WE DON'T HAVE DEDICATED SALES TAX. OUR SERVICE AREA INCLUDES KAUFMAN COUNTY, ROCKWALL COUNTY, SEAGOVILLE, BOX SPRINGS, HUTCHINS, DE SOTO. AND AS OF LAST SUMMER, WE DID ADD CEDAR HILL AND DUNCANVILLE. SO THE CURRENT SERVICES THAT WE OPERATE IN DE SOTO IS OUR THE FIRST IS DEMAND RESPONSE. THAT'S ALSO KNOWN AS OUR DIAL-A-RIDE. THIS IS WHERE THEY CALL OUR 877 NUMBER. THEY CAN BOOK ONE BUSINESS DAY UP TO TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE. OUR SCHEDULING AGENTS ARE AVAILABLE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 8 A.M. TO 4 P.M. AND THEN THE SERVICE ACTUALLY OPERATES IN DE SOTO MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY. 6 TO 6. THIS LAUNCHED IN 2018. IT'S FOR ANYONE THAT NEEDS TRANSPORTATION. YOU JUST HAVE TO BE 13 TO RIDE BY YOURSELF. YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO WITHIN THE CITY OF DE SOTO, AS WELL AS OUR SURROUNDING SERVICE AREAS, AND WE DO LEAVE THE SERVICE AREA FOR MEDICAL APPOINTMENTS. SO IF SOMEONE LIVES IN DE SOTO AND THEY NEED TO GO TO THE VA, BAYLOR, PARKLAND, TARLETON METHODIST, THEY CAN DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT. THE FARES FOR THIS SERVICE ARE BASED OFF DISTANCE AND THEY RANGE BETWEEN 1 AND $12. FOR THOSE THAT ARE 13 TO 59, WE DO OFFER HALF FARES

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WE HAVE STAFF THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO TRAVEL WITH THOSE THAT MIGHT NEED SOME HELP WHEN THEY TRAVEL.

IF SOMEONE IS VISUALLY IMPAIRED AND THEY WANT TO GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, WE HAVE STAFF THAT WILL GO WITH THEM TO HELP THEM AT THE GROCERY STORE, AS WELL AS GO TO DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS WITH THEM. IF SOMEONE UTILIZES A MOBILITY DEVICE, THEY'LL GO AND OPEN DOORS, HELP FILL OUT PAPERWORK. THEY DO NOT GO INTO THE APPOINTMENTS WITH THEM. THEY CAN'T. WE DON'T GO INSIDE THE DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENTS AND THEY DON'T GO IN IN HOMES, SO THEY JUST WILL GO TO THE DOOR, HELP THE PERSON GET TO THE VEHICLE, AND THEN HELP THEM GET BACK HOME. THIS DOESN'T COST OUR YOU GUYS ANY ADDITIONAL DOLLARS. IT DOESN'T COST THE RIDER ANY ADDITIONAL DOLLARS. WE DO GET GRANT FUNDS TO FUND THIS PROGRA. SO THE CHART I DON'T KNOW THE CHARTS NOT SHOWING, BUT YOU CAN SEE, AVERAGE MONTHLY TRIPS THAT THERE SHOULD BE A LINE THAT SHOWS AVERAGE MONTHLY TRIPS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SHOWING UP ON THERE. ESTHER, BUT YOU CAN SEE THAT THE RIDERSHIP FROM THAT STANDPOINT, LOOK AT THE BOTTOM, IT TELLS YOU THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TRIPS HAS INCREASED OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. THERE WAS A DIP IN THAT SECOND, WHICH IS THAT 4886. THAT WAS DURING COVID. AND WE SAW A DIP IN OVERALL RIDERSHIP. BUT YOU CAN, AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S HAS FULLY RECOVERED, PLUS SOME SINCE SINCE THAT HAPPENED. WHAT INFORMATION? I'M SORRY. WE'RE LOOKING ACROSS THE BOTTOM BUT WHAT ARE THE COLUMNS. IF THEY WERE THERE SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AVERAGE TRIPS PER MONTH. WOULD IT. THERE SHOULD BE. YEAH THERE SHOULD BE LIKE A BAR GRAPH THAT SHOWS IT GOING UP. AND IT WOULD BE IS THIS OVER THE COURSE OF A YEAR OR I GUESS IT'S EVERY YEAR. SO THAT'S LIKE 20, LET'S SEE. WHAT'S THAT 2020. SO 2019, 2021 22 TO 324. SO THE LAST ONE IS THIS THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THAT. YEP AND THEN THE NEXT SERVICE WE HAVE IS OUR SAME DAY SERVICE. WE LAUNCHED THIS IN DECEMBER OF 2021. IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE EXACT SAME SERVICE AS THE DIAL-A-RIDE EXCEPT IT IS SAME DAY SERVICE.

IT RUNS MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, 6 TO 6. THE CUSTOMERS CAN USE OUR APP TO BOOK A TRIP, OR THEY CAN CALL US AND YOU CAN SAY DO SAME DAY ADVANCED SCHEDULING. MEANING IF YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND YOU YOU DECIDE THAT LET'S SAY YOU GET A FLAT TIRE, YOU NEED TO GO TO WORK. THEY CAN YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE YOUR WE'LL CALL THEM A LEG B LEG. SO IF YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO BE AT WORK AT 8:00, YOU CAN SCHEDULE THAT TRIP. AND THEN YOU CAN TURN RIGHT AROUND AND SCHEDULE YOUR PICKUP. IF YOU GET OFF AT FOUR, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SCHEDULE THAT IN THE MORNING. YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL CLOSER TO THAT TO THE SCHEDULED TIME. THE FARES FOR THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN A ZONE, AND SO IT'S $2 FOR THAT 13 TO 59, AND IT'S ONE DOLLARS FOR 60 PLUS VETERAN AND DISABLED RIDERS AGAIN 12 AND UNDER DO RIDE FREE WITH A FARE PAYING ADULT. AND WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO USE PROMO CODES FOR THIS SERVICE. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE IS, NEXT WEEK OR BOX SPRINGS IS HAVING A JOB FAIR. IF YOU GUYS HAD A JOB FAIR, OR IF YOU HAD A SENIOR EVENT, WE COULD GIVE YOU GUYS A CODE TO GIVE OUT THAT WOULD THEN ALLOW THEM TO RIDE FOR FREE. WE DO THAT FOR VOTING AS WELL. SO WE PROVIDE CODES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN USE OUR SERVICES AT NO CHARGE TO GO AND VOTE FROM A DESTINATION. SO WHEN WE LAUNCHED IN DESOTO, WE DID NOT WE WERE NOT IN DUNCANVILLE AND CEDAR HILL YET. SO THIS SERVICE STARTED OUT AS JUST BEING WITHIN DESOTO. AND THEN WE DID GO OUT TO THE UNT STATION. SINCE WE'VE LAUNCHED IN THOSE OTHER TWO CITIES THAT SAYS DESOTO, IT IT ACTUALLY SHOULD SAY DUNCANVILLE. SO ON THE SAME DAY, SERVICE BASED OFF REQUEST WE WERE RECEIVING ONCE WE LAUNCHED IN DUNCANVILLE AND CEDAR HILL, YOU CAN GO ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO WITHIN THOSE THREE CITIES, AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO GO TO THE DART'S UNT STATION. I KNOW THERE WAS A NEW SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE THAT WE GOT REQUESTS FROM. YOU CAN GO TO THE REDBIRD TRANSIT CENTER, YOU CAN GO TO THE REDBIRD HEALTH CENTER, THE GLENN HEIGHTS PARK AND RIDE. AND AGAIN, YOU CAN GO IN AND OUT OF CEDAR HILL AND DUNCANVILLE AS WELL. SO THE NEXT WITH SAME DAY SERVICE, SOME OF YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT IN DECEMBER OF 2022, WE LAUNCHED A PILOT WITHIN THE CITY OF DESOTO THAT WAS NO COST TO YOU GUYS. WE COVERED THIS PILOT 100%, AND SO IT WAS WHAT WE NEEDED WAS WE NEEDED SOMEONE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO COME IN AND DO THIS PILOT SO WE COULD GET SOME INSIGHTS AND STATISTICS THAT WE COULD THEN SHARE WITH SOME OF OUR OTHER PARTNERS. AND SO BASICALLY, WHAT'S HAPPENED AND IT'S HAPPENING WITHIN THE REGION ALREADY IS WE WORKED WITH OUR VENDOR WHO DOES OUR APP, OUR STARNOW APP, AND WE ADDED IN LYFT SO SOMEBODY COULD GET ON THE APP. THEY COULD BOOK A TRIP, LET ME SEE. I'LL GO TO THE NEXT

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SO THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS WITH IT RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE TO BE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE 18 TO UTILIZE UBER AND LYFT. SO FOR US IT IS WE SAY 18. THEY HAVE TO HAVE A VALID CREDIT OR DEBIT CARD ON THEIR ACCOUNT. WE RECENTLY LAUNCHED A VIRTUAL WALLET. SO THERE IS THAT OPTION AS WELL, RIGHT NOW UBER CAN'T ACCOMMODATE ADA TRIPS, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE SAW WITH THE PILOT HERE IS THAT UBER WAS TAKING SOME OF THE LYFT, WAS TAKING SOME OF THOSE LONGER TRIPS. SO THOSE TRIPS THAT ARE GOING OVER TO UNT, THOSE THOSE WERE THE LYFT TRIPS, WHICH MEANS OUR VEHICLE STAYED IN AROUND THIS AREA AND WE'RE ABLE TO TAKE MORE ADA TRIPS. AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE UTILIZING MOBILITY DEVICES, AND THEN THEY JUST HAVE TO ACCEPT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS. SO IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, THEN THEY WOULD NOT BE OFFERED AN UBER. AND SO THAT'S THE THAT'S THEIR CHOICE. AND IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO THEN THEY WOULD JUST GET A STAR TRANSIT VEHICLE. SO FROM A WHAT WE LEARNED FROM YOU GUYS IS THAT FROM OCTOBER 22ND, THAT'S BEFORE WE LAUNCHED. AND THEN UNTIL APRIL OF THIS YEAR, THE AVERAGE DAILY TRIPS INCREASED OVER 119%. THE AVERAGE WAIT TIME WENT FROM 30 MINUTES TO 13, 13 MINUTES. OUR CANCELLATIONS WENT DOWN, OUR APP BOOKINGS WENT UP, AND THEN THE COST PER TRIP WENT UP AS WELL. SO WHEN WE LAUNCHED THIS HERE, WE HAD A TEN MINUTE WAIT TIME, OUR THRESHOLD MEANING THEY GOT ON THE APP. IT WAS GOING TO TAKE STAR TRANSIT OVER TEN MINUTES TO GET TO THEM. SO THEN IT WOULD ISSUE THEM A LYFT. WELL OUR BUDGET THAT WE HAD BUDGETED WAS GETTING BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER BECAUSE THEY WERE SENDING LYFT TRIPS LIKE CRAZY. SO WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN KIND OF CONTROL THE AMOUNT WE WERE SPENDING. SO RIGHT NOW IT'S UP TO AN HOUR. SO IF IT'S GOING TO TAKE STAR TRANSIT AN HOUR TO GET TO YOU, THEN IT WOULD ASK YOU IF YOU WANT TO USE AN UBER. AND SO THEN THAT AND THEN THEN IT WOULD GET THAT 10 TO 15% OF 10 TO 15 MINUTE WAIT TIME. SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM A YEAR TO DATE STANDPOINT WHEN WE LAUNCHED

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WILL WE GET THOSE COLUMNS? BECAUSE IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF IMPORTANT INFORMATION. THEY HAVE A COPY OF THAT. SO THEY CAN SEND THAT TO YOU GUYS OR I CAN MAKE SURE THAT IT. YES. NO. SO FROM A BUDGET STANDPOINT OH SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE CURRENT CAPACITY COMPARED TO THE DEMAND? I'M SORRY. CAN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE CURRENT CAPACITY COMPARED TO THE DEMAND? AND SO THERE'S TWO WAYS THAT WE DETERMINE KIND OF THAT CAPACITY. ONE IS FROM A DEMAND RESPONSE STANDPOINT, WE LOOK AT DENIALS AND WRITE OUR DENIAL THRESHOLD IS ABOUT 10%. SO IF WE START GETTING CLOSE TO THAT 10%, THEN THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD COME TO YOU GUYS. AND SAY, IT'S TIME FOR US TO ADD CAPACITY. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. IF WE WERE, THAT'S THE CONVERSATION WE WOULD BE HAVING TONIGHT FROM A STANDPOINT OF FROM THE SAME DAY SERVICE AGAIN, IT'S KIND OF UNLIMITED. WHAT LIMITS US ON THAT CAPACITY IS OUR IS BUDGET.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF BUDGET THAT WE NEED TO STAY IN, FROM THAT STANDPOINT. AND WE'RE STILL WE'RE, WE'RE FINE. WE'VE STILL GOT CAPACITY ON BOTH OF THOSE BECAUSE IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THERE'S PEOPLE ARE REQUESTING TRIPS, THEN THAT UBER WILL SUBSIDIZE WHAT WE AREN'T ABLE TO DO. FOR THOSE RESIDENTS WHO ARE DISABLED OR ADA WHO NEED A LIFT. WHAT'S YOUR CAPACITY ON THE ON THOSE VANS FOR ADA. SO FOR OUR VEHICLES, THE ADA, IT DEPENDS ON WHICH VEHICLE IS DISPATCHED OUT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE UTILIZING OUR SMALLER VANS SO IT CAN ACCOMMODATE UP TO TWO WHEELCHAIRS. IF THEY HAVE FOLDABLE WALKERS THEN WE CAN BETWEEN 8 AND 10 PEOPLE. SOD BETWEEN EIGHT AND TEN PEOPLE.

AND THEN DO YOU HAVE NUMBERS DOCUMENTING THOSE TRIPS? THE FOR THOSE WHO ARE DISABLED, WHO ARE WITH WHEELCHAIRS OR WALKERS. SO WE CAN'T I DON'T HAVE THEM TONIGHT, BUT WE CAN GET THOSE IF YOU WOULD LIKE THOSE OKAY. AND THEN SO WHEN SOMEONE GOES TO THEY NEED TO SCHEDULE, THEY WANT TO GO TO THE MEDICAL DISTRICT, THAT'S NOT SAME DAY SERVICE. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. WE CAN GET THEM TO THE DART STATION AND THEN THEY COULD UTILIZE DART TO GO IN AND DO THAT SAME DAY, BUT THEY WOULD HAVE TO RESCHEDULE THEIR TRIPS. OKAY. AND SO FOR THE PRESCHEDULED TRIPS WHAT'S OUR CAPACITY VERSUS DEMAND THER. AND I'M ASKING BECAUSE I'M A RESIDENT, A RESIDENT REACHED OUT TO ME RELATED TO STAR WHO WAS RECENTLY HAD A STROKE. ALL OF THAT. AND THEN I'M LIKE, HEY, WE HAVE STAR AND, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO CALL FOR OVER A MONTH BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO THE TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE, TO GET ON THE SCHEDULE AND WAS NEVER ABLE TO GET ON THE SCHEDULE ACCORDING TO HIS SCHEDULE. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, WHAT DOES THAT PART LOOK LIKE? AND THEN ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A HIGH DEMAND HERE IN DESOTO? IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT OR SO RIGHT NOW? I WOULD SAY NO, BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. SO IT'S REALLY IT'S BASED ON AVAILABILITY AND SO DEPENDING ON YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY NOT EVERYBODY IS GOING TO THE SAME DOCTOR'S APPOINTMENT ON THE SAME DAY AT THE SAME TIME. SO DEPENDING ON WHEN THAT PERSON CALLED, THAT'S WHAT THE AVAILABILITY STANDPOINT IS. IF

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RIGHT. WE HAVE INSURANCE. THANK YOU. YEAH, I YIELD BACK. AND HONESTLY WE'VE I MEAN I DON'T YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER WANT TO SAY YOU KNOCK ON WOOD. I MEAN IT'S BEEN IT'S BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL AND IT'S WE'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY PLEASED WITH WHAT WE'VE SEEN FROM ESPECIALLY FOR YOU GUYS AND WHAT THE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS HAVE DONE SINCE WE'VE ADDED THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. THE ONLY REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE CLEAR THAT THINGS CAN HAPPEN, BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST FLIP THAT BACK TO THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY TAKE PEOPLE TO THE DOORS, IS THERE SOME SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT SOMEBODY IS SAYING, I'M OKAY WITH THIS PERSON TAKING THIS PERSON TO THE DOOR? YES. SO WITH THAT PROGRAM, OUR CLIENT ADVOCATE PROGRAM, ALL OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS GO THROUGH A TWO WEEK TRAINING. WE'RE BACKGROUND CHECKED ONCE A YEAR. I MEAN, EVEN OUR DRIVERS ARE BACKGROUND CHECKED UPON HIRE AND THEN ALSO DRUG TESTED AS WELL. AND SO THEY HAVE TO REQUEST THAT CLIENT ADVOCATE. SO WE JUST DON'T OFFER THAT TO THEM. THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH. WE DO A CHECK MAKING SURE THAT THAT THEY NEED IT. YOU KNOW, THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT WANTING SOMEBODY TO GO TRAVEL ALONG WITH THEM AND WHICH IS POSSIBLE, AND THEN THEY, THEY TELL US WHEN THEY WANT SOME HELP AND NEED A CLIENT ADVOCATE, PLUS OUR DRIVERS, IF OUR DRIVERS SEE SOMEONE THAT NEEDS SOME ADDITIONAL HELP, WE'LL REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF OUR SERVICE WILL ALL OF OUR SERVICE IS CURB TO

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GOOD QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. I SEE NO ADDITIONAL LIGHTS. THANK YOU MISS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MISS THOMAS, AT THE. AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA COUNCIL.

WE DO HAVE FOUR DISCUSSION TOPICS, PLUS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO INSTITUTE ROUNDS FOR THESE REGULAR AGENDA. I MEAN EXCUSE ME FOR THESE DISCUSSION TOPICS SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN, SO WE CAN ENGAGE OUR TIME THAT WE'RE SPENDING ON EACH ONE. AND ONCE WE HAVE COMPLETED A ROUND, THEN COUNCIL CAN, COME TO A CONSENSUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THEY WOULD LIKE ANOTHER ROUND OF QUESTIONS AT THAT TIME. SO MISS THOMAS, WE WILL HAVE THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR

[a. Presentation and discussion of updates on the Stormwater Utility Fee Study]

THANK YOU. HI AGAIN EVERYBODY. TREY SHANKS FREESE NICHOLS, I KNOW Y'ALL GOT A LOT ON YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT, SO I WON'T BELABOR THIS MUCH, THERE'S SOME THAT SOME FAMILIAR SLIDES THAT I'LL BREEZE THROUGH LIKE THIS ONE. JUST A QUICK REMINDER, YOU KNOW, OF WHAT YOUR STORMWATER UTILITY FEE, ITS CURRENT SETUP IS, AND THE REQUIREMENTS FOR IT. BUT THE SHORT OF THIS IS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A FLAT RATE STRUCTURE THAT YOU ARE CHARGING THE COMMUNITY BY THEIR METER. IF THEY HAVE A RESIDENTIAL METER, THEY'RE PAYING $6. IF THERE'S A COMMERCIAL METER, $24 IF A PROPERTY HAS MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL METERS, THERE'S EACH METER IS PAYING FOR THAT. SO OUR APPROACH WAS TO LOOK AT, AS MD SAID, AN EQUITABLE, APPROACH TO THE FEE STRUCTURE AND TO ADDRESS YOUR, YOUR REVENUE NEEDS, ONE NEW SLIDE I WANTED TO SHOW YOU IS WE'RE GETTING INTO THIS IS JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW, WE DO GET ASKED OFTEN IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS OUR STORM SYSTEM? WHAT ARE WE DOING? AND SO THIS THIS IS JUST A QUICK REPRESENTATION OF THE CITY, WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN BLUE ARE ALL THE CREEKS IN TOWN. YOU'VE GOT NEARLY 45 MILES OF CREEKS IN IN TOWN, AND ALMOST TWO MILES OF THOSE ARE CONCRETE LINED, ALL THE YELLOW DOTS YOU SEE ARE WHAT WE CALL STORMWATER OUTFALLS. THOSE ARE ALL OUTFALLS. SO OPENINGS FROM PIPE SYSTEMS OR ENGINEERED, YOU KNOW, CHANNELS THAT WHERE YOU'VE, CREATED INFRASTRUCTURE TO CONVEY STORMWATER FLOWS, TO KEEP IT FROM FLOODING STRUCTURES, HOUSE, ROADWAYS AND THE LIKE, SO THERE'S A LOT MORE

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AND IT'S YOUR CHOICE ALWAYS IS, TO HAVE A SCHEDULE FOR REEVALUATING YOUR RATES BECAUSE YOU HAVE A MASTER PLAN COMING, IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO THAT MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO IDENTIFY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDS. AND SO THAT WOULD BE A TYPICAL TIME TO REEVALUATE YOUR RATES TO SEE ARE YOU GENERATING WHAT YOU NEED OKAY. SO TO TOUCH ON THAT VERY QUICKLY, IF YOU RECALL BACK IN 2001, THERE WAS A MASTER PLAN DONE. SO IT'S BEEN OVER 20 YEARS ON THAT. THE, THERE'S ABOUT A LITTLE LESS THAN $15 MILLION IN PRIORITY PROJECTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED. MIND YOU, THAT'S 20 MILLION. THAT'S 15,000,000 IN 2001 DOLLARS. AND SO IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE, AND ABOUT A THIRD OF THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED TO DATE, AS PART OF OUR STUDY, WE DID A WINDSHIELD DRIVE AROUND SURVEY WITH STAFF TO IDENTIFY SOME PROJECT AREA NEEDS. WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED IN RED, WHERE THERE'S SEVERE ISSUES, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE ABOUT $5.5 MILLION WORTH OF NEAR-TERM NEED. THAT'S A SCREENING EVALUATION. AND IT'S REALLY NOT MEANT TO REPLACE WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO GET STARTED WITH, WHICH WAS IS YOUR MASTER PLAN, STUDY. SO THAT IS PENDING THAT WILL IDENTIFY A SPECIFIC CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL INCLUDE THE WOLF CREEK, YOU KNOW, PROJECT THAT'S ACTIVELY BEING EVALUATED AND IDENTIFY FIVE YEAR THE KEY PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS THAT NEED TO BE TACKLED. OKAY. SO SUMMARIZING THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS THOSE SAME OPERATING EXPENDITURES WE SHOWED IN THE EARLIER SLIDE. AND THEN, WITH THE ASSUMPTION OF THE CIP NEEDS, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING, IS AN INCREMENTAL, ALLOCATION OF FUNDS TOWARDS ADDRESSING THOSE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. THOSE DOLLARS ARE SHOWING, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PAY FOR THEM AS CASH AS, YOU KNOW, AS A PAY AS YOU GO. BUT, YOU KNOW, DEBT SERVICE IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. SO LIKE A 20 YEAR NOTE KIND OF APPROACH, YOU SEE AT THE BOTTOM THE INCREASE IN EXPENDITURES SHOWING, EACH YEAR.

SO YOU SEE A MODEST INCREASE INITIALLY OF 2%, THAT'S REALLY PARTLY BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS A LOT OF THAT INCREASE IS GOING TOWARDS CAPTURING WHERE YOU NEEDED FUNDS. AND THEN THERE'S A PHASING THAT MD MENTIONED THAT I'LL TOUCH ON. MORE SPECIFICALLY. OKAY. SO I RAN THROUGH THAT PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY WHAT I WANT TO GET TO THE KEYS OF.

WHERE DO WE GO DO LAST TIME SINCE WE'VE LAST VISITED AND WHAT CHANGES ARE THERE. SO FEEL FREE TO JUMP IN AT ANY POINT IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON ANY OF THESE. SO THESE ARE THE SIX, YOU KNOW, KEY ADJUSTMENTS AVAILABLE. TWO OF THOSE, THE IMPERVIOUS AREA RATE BASIS THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. SO THAT'S NOTHING NEW. AND THE RATE TIERS THAT'S NOT NEW. BUT WE HAVE CHANGED THE

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THERE'S 17,000 ACCOUNTS FOR THAT. WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF ALL THIS AND YOU'LL SEE THROUGHOUT HERE, IS THAT THIS RATE ADJUSTMENT WOULD GO IN BEGINNING JANUARY 2025. SO THIS FIRST YEAR, WE'D SHOW A $300,000 REVENUE FROM THE BASE FEE. IN FUTURE YEARS, THAT $2 WOULD GENERATE A LITTLE OVER 400,000, BECAUSE THAT'D BE A FULL 12 MONTHS. THIS IS SHOWING FOR NINE MONTHS, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE IS NO BASE FEE CURRENTLY. THERE IT GOES FROM YOU KNOW, REVENUE FOR THREE MONTHS BASED OFF THE BASE FEE AND THEN 300,000 FOR THE LAST NINE MONTHS. OKAY AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THAT ALLOWS FOR, MORE HERE IN JUST A SECOND. SO LAST TIME WE TALKED, WE TALKED ABOUT TWO TIERS, SO, A SMALL TIER AND A LARGE TIER. NOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS THREE TIERS, SO TIER ONE REPRESENTS 10% OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, AND IT'S THE 10% THAT HAVE THE SMALLEST AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA. OKAY. THE LEAST IMPACT TO THE SYSTEM, THERE'S ABOUT SIX. THAT'S 10%, A LITTLE OVER 1600 PROPERTIES FOR REFERENCE. OKAY.

ON THE FAR OTHER SIDE, THE TIER THREE IS THE LARGEST 50% OF PROPERTIES. THAT'S ABOUT 8800.

PROPERTIES. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE MOST IMPERVIOUS AREA, CAUSE THE MOST STORMWATER RUNOFF TO THE SYSTEM, MOST IMPACT, THE MOST USE OF THE SYSTEM. OKAY SO BECAUSE THERE'S THREE TIERS, THEY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, AVERAGE IMPERVIOUS AREAS. AND THAT WILL ALLOW FOR THREE DIFFERENT RATES. THAT WAS SOMETHING COMING OUT OF THE LAST, YOU KNOW, MEETING WAS TO CAN WE MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE EQUITABLE EVEN. WE HAD TWO. NOW THERE'S A THIRD ONE IN BETWEEN. SORRY OKAY. SO WHAT DOES THAT RESULT MEAN. SO NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE TIERS OKAY. SO THREE RESIDENTIAL TIERS, YOU SEE THAT BASE FEE. IT'S $2 FOR EVERY RESIDENCE. AND THEN FOR COMMERCIAL IT'S $2 FOR EVERY ACCOUNT. I'M SORRY. IF YOU CAN JUST. I MUST HAVE MISSED IT FOR THAT THIRD TIER. HOW MANY, HOW MANY CUSTOMERS WERE IN THAT THIRD TIER? YEAH. SO, YEAH, 8800 ARE IN THAT THIRD TIER. AND ABOUT 6000 ARE IN THE MIDDLE TIER. OKAY YEAH. OKAY SO THE AGAIN, THE BASE FEE IS THAT THAT FIXED COST. THAT'S NOT REALLY DOESN'T CHANGE BASED OFF OF IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO EVERY CHARGE WOULD BE AT $2. BUT THEN THE USAGE FEE IS BASED OFF OF IMPERVIOUS AREA. SO WHAT YOU SEE IN TIER ONE IS THERE'S A $4 USAGE FEE PLUS THE $2. THAT'S $6 A MONTH. THOSE PROPERTIES WOULD BE SEEING THE SAME BILL THAT THEY'VE BEEN GETTING TO THIS POINT. THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GETTING CHARGED NOW. AND THEY'D CONTINUE TO HAVE THE SAME CHARGE OKAY. SO THOSE YOU KNOW, 1600 PROPERTIES WOULD HAVE THE SAME CHARGE, TIER TWO IS YOUR AVERAGE, YOU KNOW, THAT MIDDLE OF THE PACK, SET OF PROPERTIES. THAT'S 40% OF YOUR PROPERTIES.

THAT'S 6000 OR SO PROPERTIES. THAT'S THE NEW TIER THAT THERE'S NOW IN BETWEEN. THAT'S $9. OKAY.

BEFORE WE HAD SIX AND 12. NOW WE'VE GOT A MIDDLE TIER FOR $9 A MONTH. AND THEN THE TIER THREE FOR THE $12 COMMERCIAL CONTINUES TO BE ON THAT PER WHAT WE CALL EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT BASIS. SO FOR EVERY 3400FT■S, THEY WOULD PAY $7, WHICH IS THAT ONE ER YOU. OKAY. AND I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT HERE IN A SECOND. OKAY. SO THE FOURTH ADJUSTMENT THAT WE'VE

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OKAY. SO AS MD TOUCHED ON, BECAUSE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL CHANGE FROM THE METERED APPROACH TO THE IMPERVIOUS AREA APPROACH SOME COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, AS YOU'LL SEE, HAVE A MORE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IN WHAT THEY'RE CURRENTLY PAYING TO WHAT THEY WILL PAY. SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO DO AN INCREMENTAL PHASE IN A THREE YEAR PHASE IN OF THOSE CHANGES, TO DO ONE THIRD OF THE CHANGE EACH YEAR UNTIL AFTER THE THIRD YEAR, IT'S GOT ITS FULL, IT'S PAYING ITS FULL EQUITABLE FEE. OKAY. SO WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SORRY. IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BUSY SLIDE, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE TWO SLIDES LIKE THIS I WANT TO SHOW YOU TO GIVE EXAMPLES. SO WE'LL START ON THE FAR LEFT. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME BUSINESSES THE SMALL SOME SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO SEE A DECREASE IN THEIR FEE. IF THEY HAD ONE UTILITY ACCOUNT, YOU KNOW, AND THEY ACTUALLY HAVE A SMALL AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, THEY MAY ACTUALLY HAVE A DECREASE IN FEE. THOSE SLIGHT INCREASES YOU SEE THERE FOR THE SMALL WHERE IT GOES FROM 2142 TO 21, 85, 22, 29 ARE BASED OFF OF THE CPI ADJUSTMENTS. OKAY. SO THAT'S INFLATIONARY ADJUSTMENTS. THE MIDDLE TIER SHOWS KIND OF A MORE TYPICAL, YOU KNOW, PROPERTY. WE'VE GOT THOSE GREEN. IF THERE'S A DECREASE IN FEE WE'RE NOT GOING TO PHASE THAT RIGHT. WE HAVE THAT SHOWN THAT IF IT DECREASES THAT THAT DECREASE GOES FULLY INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY, IF THERE'S AN INCREASE THEN IT'S SPREAD OUT OVER THREE YEARS. SO WHAT YOU SEE FOR THE MEDIUM AND THE LARGE IS EACH YEAR WITH THOSE RATES WOULD BE, UNTIL IN THAT FY 27 THAT WOULD BE THEIR FULL, EQUITABLE FEE IN FY 25. NOTE THAT THOSE FEES WOULDN'T START UNTIL JANUARY 2025. OKAY. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? BEFORE I GO ON? YES. YEP. I APPRECIATE I'VE BEEN WAITING TO GET TO THIS PARTICULAR, AND EVEN THOUGH I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. YES. WITH THE, WITH THE ER USE, I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE THE IDEA THAT IF WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR LOST SPACE AND LOST TIME, AND IF THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS ARE GOING TO GO UP IMMEDIATELY, I UNDERSTAND PHASING IN THE COMMERCIAL THAT THAT WOULD HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. BUT THIS FIRST SLIDE, THE SMALL BUSINESS, I DON'T LIKE THAT IDEA OF THEIR FEES GOING DOWN. I LIKE THE IDEA OF THEIR FEES AT LEAST STAYING FLAT. YOU KNOW, AND AS WE PHASE IN EVERYONE ELSE SO THAT WOULD BE MY THAT WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION THAT WOULD BE I CAN I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO IMPROVE I UNDERSTAND I BELIEVE THAT ALL OF OUR CITIZENS WANT US TO KEEP OUR SYSTEMS UP. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT OUR EXPENSES HAVE BEEN OUTPACING OUR REVENUES. BUT THIS PARTICULAR COMMERCIAL SLIDE, THE SMALL BUSINESS I SEE IT, I SEE THEM HAVING NO EFFECT, NEITHER INCREASE OR DECREASE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE MEDIUM AND THE LARGE, BECAUSE AGAIN, IF WE'RE GOING TO TAX THE, THE RESIDENTIAL PRETTY MUCH AT EVERY LEVEL, THEN, I CAN'T SEE TAXING THE RESIDENTIAL AND THEN GIVING SOME KIND OF BREAK ON COMMERCIAL AT ANY LEVEL. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE INPUT. AND SO FROM A STRUCTURE STANDPOINT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN WORK WIT, YOU KNOW, BASED OFF Y'ALL'S FEEDBACK WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, ON THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR FROM WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING THIS SLIDE AND THE NEXT SLIDE WILL SHOW IS, IS KIND OF POLICY FREE, RIGHT? IT'S JUST OBJECTIVE BASED OFF OF IF YOU'VE GOT A, A BUSINESS THAT IS NOW IN WHAT WAS AN OLD HOUSE. RIGHT, A SMALL HOUSE, THAT'S GOT SAY 4000FT■S OR 3000FT■S OF IMPERVIOUS AREA. THE BASED OFF THE NATURE OF THAT BUSINESS, DOES THE RUN OFF, IS IT MORE IMPACTFUL TO THE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, OR LESS THAN A RESIDENCE, AND DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF

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WE DON'T FACTOR. WHAT'S YOUR DESIGN. YOU KNOW, AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS ARE AS FAR AS REQUIRING A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES OR NOT. WE JUST LOOK AT WHAT'S ACTUALLY THERE, AND SO IF THEY'VE GOT PARKING SPACES AND THEY'VE GOT CONCRETE, WE LITERALLY, YOU KNOW, MEASURE THAT AMOUNT OF CONCRETE AND ROOFTOP, OKAY. THANK YOU. GOING TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, IF I MAY ADD, SO SOMETIMES YOU HAVE MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS IN A COMMERCIAL, STRUCTURE AND SO WHEN YOU HAVE THE DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS, THEY PAY DIFFERENT, THEY WILL PAY DIFFERENT FEES BASED ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THAT ENTIRE PARKING STRUCTURE AND YOU DIVIDE IT UP ACCORDING TO THE BUSINESS THAT GENERATES THAT PARKING REQUIREMENT. AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT MULTIPLE, WHEN YOU HAVE THOSE MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS IN A SPECIFIC, FOR EXAMPLE, TOM THUMB AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE OTHER USES AROUND IT, OF COURSE, TOM THUMB IS GOING TO GENERATE THE, THE LARGEST OF, O, OF THE BILL BECAUSE OF NOT ONLY THE SIZE OF THE IMPERVIOUS COVER OF THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, BUT ALSO THE DEMAND ON PARKING. SO IT WILL BE DIVVIED UP, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATELY OR PROPORTIONALLY TO WHATEVER THEY GENERATE IN TERMS OF PARKING. THANK YOU, SO YOUR FIRST QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE NOT ACCOUNTING FOR ALL THE PARKING, AND SO THIS GETS TO A DIFFERENT ASPECT OF WHERE WHILE THIS, THIS PROPERTY MAY SEEM LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A SMALLER FEE, THE REALITY IS THAT AND IF YOU'RE THINKING OF THAT PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT'S ACTUALLY ON A DIFFERENT PARCEL, AND SO BUT YOUR POINT IS REALLY, I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD OBSERVATION BECAUSE WHAT MAJA JUST TALKED ABOUT AND WHAT, WHICH YOU JUST ASKED, ARE TWO RELEVANT ASPECTS OF THE BILLING PART IS THERE'S GOING TO BE CERTAIN PROPERTIES THAT JUST HAVE PARKING LOT, THERE'S NO UTILITY ACCOUNT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. AND SO THAT'S PART OF WHAT IS NECESSARY IS TO MAKE SURE, WELL, THAT PARKING IS GETTING CHARGED. AND SO IT MAY BE THAT IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH PARCEL NEXT DOOR. AND SO WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT. SO YEAH. SO IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. AND SAME THING TO WHAT MAJA JUST TALKED ABOUT IS IDEALLY WHAT WE LOOK FOR WHERE THERE'S THOSE STRIP CENTERS WHERE THERE'S MULTIPLE BUSINESSES IS TO CHARGE TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IF THEY'VE GOT A UTILITY ACCOUNT OR THE MANAGEMENT ACCOUNT AND LET THEM FIGURE OUT HOW BEST THEY WANT TO DIVVY IT UP TO, TO MINIMIZE YOUR STAFF'S ADMINISTRATIVE BURDEN OF HAVING TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT. THERE ARE TIMES WHAT HE SAID IS EXACTLY WHAT JUST HAS TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE IT MAY BE THERE'S FOUR BUSINESSES AND THERE'S FOUR UTILITY ACCOUNTS. AND SO YOU GOT TO DECIDE, HOW DO WE WANT TO SPLIT IT UP. SO THAT DOES HAPPEN OKAY. SO THEN AND SPEAKING OF THAT'S WHAT THIS NEXT SLIDE REALLY IS. AND YEAH OKAY. IS JUST SHOWING YOU KNOW, THAT, CERTAIN PROPERTIES HAVE MORE MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS. AND SO THEY'RE CURRENTLY PAYING YOU KNOW IS MORE ALREADY THAN THAT $24 FOR THE OVERALL PROPERTY.

OKAY SO THE LAST ONE, IS THE SENIOR CREDIT, CONSIDERATION YOU HAD ASKED IN THE EARLIER PRESENTATION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF, SENIOR PROPERTIES WE HAD ABOUT 3600, BASED OFF OF INFORMATION THAT WE'D GOTTEN FROM MR. LACEY. EARLIER. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO HOW CURRENT LIKE THAT IS FOR TODAY, BUT THAT'S IN THAT BALLPARK. SO I THINK YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 8600 SENIOR CITIZEN RESIDENTS, OVERALL, BUT NOT PROPERTIES, RESIDENTS. SO, AND SO THE, THE SENIOR CITIZEN DISCOUNT, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CREDIT USER FEE, WOULD BE $3.50. AND WITH THE MONTHLY CHARGE

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SO, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD DECREASE YOUR OVERALL CIP FUNDING CAPACITY, BETWEEN 10 AND 30% OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. OKAY SO WHAT IS YOUR DEBT CAPACITY? SO, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THERE'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY KNOW NEED TO BE DONE. YOUR MASTER PLAN IS GOING IDENTIFY MORE SPECIFICALLY THIS RATE APPROACH OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS WOULD ALLOW YOU ABOUT 16 MILLION AND CHANGE. OF DEBT, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY TOWARDS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, SO IT'S ENOUGH TO MAKE, A DIFFERENCE. I DON'T I CAN'T SAY THAT THAT WILL ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT NEEDS. OKAY.

QUICKLY. NEXT STEPS, SAME AS BEFORE. SO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON YOUR, YOUR PROPOSED, YOUR PREFERRED APPROACH GOING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WE'D LOOK AT, PUBLIC INFORMATION OUTREACH, TO EDUCATE, INFORM THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT IS A STORMWATER UTILITY, WHAT SERVICES ARE PROVIDED, HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THEM. AND THE LIKE. AND THEN I THINK WE SHOWED THIS SLIDE BEFORE, SO REALLY JUST KIND OF THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE, IF YOU DECIDE TO, TO MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WITH THINGS THIS DOES REQUIRE COUNCIL VOTE DOES REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A PUBLIC HEARING, AND IT DOES REQUIRE, PUBLIC NOTICE, 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE, SO THOSE ARE THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR PUBLIC, OUTREACH, AND THAT'S IT. OKAY THANK YOU. COUNCIL, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE WILL INSTITUTE ROUNDS. SO, MR. FEGERT, I DO SEE A LIGHT OR TWO ON, SO WE'LL HAVE TWO MINUTE ROUNDS, I KNOW WE'VE, SOME HAVE ASKED QUESTIONS THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE, A FULL ROUND OF QUESTIONS IF NEED BE. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I ASK THE QUESTION OF YOU SAID THAT THERE WILL BE MEETINGS, INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS AND THAT VOTE IS ACTUALLY SEPTEMBER 19TH, 17TH, WHICH ACTUALLY DOESN'T GIVE US MUCH TIME SINCE WE'RE ALREADY AT THE 19TH OF AUGUST. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS IT AS IT PERTAINS TO MAKING CERTAIN THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE? YEAH, ACTUALLY, I SHOULD CLARIFY REAL QUICKLY, IS THE VOTE ON THE SEPTEMBER 17TH IS JUST TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A PUBLIC HEARING. SO TO GO AHEAD AND AUTHORIZE STAFF TO ISSUE THE PUBLIC NOTICE AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 5TH WOULD BE THE VOTE, IF YOU WANT TO ADOPT THE NEW RATES. SO IT'D BE IN NOVEMBER. SO THIS HAS NO IMPACT TO THE FINANCIAL BUDGET. IT WOULD STARTING IN JANUARY. SO NOT NOT FOR SO THIS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A MID-YEAR BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. OKAY. SO THE BUDGET THAT WE ARE ABOUT TO ADOPT IN OCTOBER WOULD NOT HAVE THIS INFORMATION. THAT'S CORRECT. OH, OKAY. I YIELD BACK.

COUNCILMEMBER RAFAEL, THANK YOU. I THINK MY COMMENT WOULD BE, SHOULD WE GO IN THIS DIRECTION RELATED TO THE SMALL, MEDIUM AND LARGE WITH SMALL, SHOULD WE GO IN THIS DIRECTION? I WOULDN'T, LEAVE THEM AT THE FLAT RATE, BECAUSE IF THIS IS AN ISSUE OF EQUITY, IT REALLY THAT REALLY DOESN'T ADDRESS EQUITY UNTIL YOU KNOW THAT 2%, 2% GETS UP THERE AND CATCHES UP AND SO THAT'S A HARD EXPLANATION TO GO WITH IN TERMS OF IF YOU'RE SAYING EQUITY. BUT THEN IT WASN'T 100% EQUAL FOR ALL. RELATED TO THE RELATED TO THE SCHEDULE BECAUSE THIS IS A SEISMIC SIGNIFICANT CHANGE, $6 HAS BEEN $6 AND WE ALL KNOW $6. BUT BECAUSE BECAUSE OF THIS SEISMIC CHANGE, I FEEL LIKE THIS, TIMELINE IS AGGRESSIVE, IN TERMS OF GETTING THE INFORMATION OUT, IN TERMS OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS THE FIRST PIECE WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OUTREACH, WHICH I DON'T I'M NOT SEEING IT. ANY OUTREACH PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC HEARING, PUBLIC HEARING SHOULDN'T BE THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY'S LOOKING AT THIS SERIOUSLY OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, PAYING ATTENTION TONIGHT. IF THEY ARE. SO MY PUSHBACK IS RELATED TO THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET, PARTICULARLYINCE IT'S NOT BEING CALCULATED, FOR, FOR THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, FY OR THE ONE WE'RE GOING INTO FY 25, OTHER THAN COLLECTING THE REVENUES. AND THEN IF WE DID NOT DO THIS STARTING IN JANUARY 1ST, MY QUESTION IS WHAT WHAT'S THE IMPACT TO THE CITY IF WE DON'T

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FIRST IS RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT ABOUT A I THINK IS A $700,000 DEFICIT ON WHAT YOUR BUDGET IS VERSUS YOUR REVENUES. THAT'S THE SIMPLE ANSWER IS YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, END UP EXHAUSTING YOUR FUND BALANCE, AND SO YOU NEED TO GET THAT EITHER DRASTICALLY CUT COSTS AND LIMIT SERVICES OR MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT OTHERWISE ON THE FEE. AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. THE DEFICIT IS GOING TO BE ONLY ON THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY CIP. THE LONGER WE WAIT ON EXECUTING ANY CIP PROJECT, THE, THE LARGER THE AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH. SO DEFERRING IT TO 2026 IS GOING TO IMPACT US, AND WE MAY NEED EVEN A HIGHER RATE IN 2026.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD SAY IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A DELAY OF A MONTH OR TWO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DEFINITELY STAFF CAN COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION, BUT I WOULDN'T DEFER IT MORE THAN THAT. AND THAT'S THE REASON WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, IS BECAUSE COUNCIL NEEDS TO VOTE ON IT. AND THE VOTE FOR THE BUDGET HAPPENS BEFORE THIS. AND WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL'S DESIRE WOULD BE TO, YOU KNOW, TO VOTE ON THAT ISSUE. OKAY THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNSEL. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? CITY MANAGER GODFREY, DO YOU ALL NEED ANY ADDITIONAL DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TONIGHT OR. I, I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. IF STAFF FEELS THAT THEY DIDN'T THEY DIDN'T HEAR EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEEDED TO HEAR. I THINK WE HEARD THE CITY COUNCIL LOUD AND CLEAR. AND I APPRECIATE, THE TEAM FOR, FOR WORKING ON IT. ANY ANY OTHER CONCERNS, AGAIN, MD CITY ENGINEER, I THINK WE ARE GOOD. BASICALLY THERE ARE THREE THINGS. ONE IS THE INTRODUCTION OF BASE PAY. WE DID NOT HEAR ANY CONCERN ABOUT THAT. THAT $2 FOR HIS PROPERTY TO COVER THE BASIC COST OF OPERATIONS RELATED TO DRAINAGE FUNCTIONS. THE SECOND ONE IS TO INSTEAD OF TWO TIER FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, WHICH MAKES IT MORE EQUITABLE.

AND WE DID NOT HEAR ANY SERIOUS CONCERN ABOUT THAT. AND THE LAST ONE IS THAT INCREMENTAL INCREASE FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN THREE YEAR. AND WE DID NOT HEAR ANY SERIOUS CONCERN ABOUT THAT AS WELL. SO IF YOU ARE OKAY, WE WILL DO OUR FINAL PRESENTATION ON SEPTEMBER 16, FOR ONE LAST TIME. AND THERE WOULD BE A AGENDA ITEM ON SEPTEMBER 17TH FOR YOUR PERMISSION TO GO FORWARD PUBLISHING THE PUBLIC NOTIFICATION AND START THE PUBLIC COMMUNICATION INFORMATION SHARING WITH THE RESIDENTS. BUT THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE, I THINK I HEARD A CLEAR CONCERN FOR COUNCIL ABOUT INFORMING THE PUBLIC OF THIS. SO WE WILL NEED TO PUT IN SEVERAL SESSIONS OF INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC ON THAT. SO I THINK THAT'S AT LEAST WHAT I, WHAT I HEARD COUNCIL MEMBERS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCLUDE THAT IN, IN, IN, IN OUR SCHEDULE. MAY I ASK ONE QUICK THING ABOUT THE SMALL COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES I UNDERSTAND THE SUGGESTION COUNCIL MEMBER MADE. WE GUESS THAT THAT IS WHAT WE WILL IMPLEMENT IN OUR WE NEED TO DO SOME RECALCULATION OF THAT. MAYBE WE'LL DO THAT. HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND WE'LL GET BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WITH A FRIDAY MEMO TO MAKE SURE THAT AT LEAST WE SHARE WITH COUNCIL THE IMPACT AND DELAYS OF EVERY MONTH IMPACT. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE SHARE THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE ASKED ABOUT. THANK YOU, I'M SORRY. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION. WHEN WE COME BACK ON THE 16TH, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT WE CAN GET WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TO THE PUBLIC? I MEAN, LIKE A BILL? WHAT WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO SEE? I MEAN, BECAUSE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING NUMBERS AND I'M REALLY JUST LIKE, WELL, WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE FOR A CONSUMER AND COMMERCIAL? IS THAT POSSIBLE? ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE PUT THOSE, THOSE TYPES OF EXAMPLES IN THERE. WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCIL. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN MR. SHANKS. THANK YOU, MISS THOMAS. WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT

[b. Presentation and discussion of the Fire Department overtime]

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AND YOU NOTICE BOTH STATION TWO AND STATION THREE. WE ASSIGNED SEVEN FIREFIGHTERS TO THOSE FIRE STATIONS DAILY. WHEN WE WERE FULLY STAFFED, PUT SOME HISTORICAL FINANCIALS IN HERE FOR YOU. AS MOST OF YOU ALL KNOW, OUR OVERTIME BUDGET FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ROUTINELY BEEN 150,000, FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. THE UNIQUE THING ABOUT A FIRE DEPARTMENT IS WE RUN ON A MINIMUM STAFFING SET, THEREFORE TAKING A FIXED NUMBER AND SAYING THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST IN OVERTIME IS VERY DIFFICULT TO DO. SO I TALKED TO CITY MANAGER AL GODFREY ABOUT USING A PERCENTAGE OF OUR SALARIES TO PUT IN OUR OVERTIME BUDGETED NUMBER. SO YOU CAN SEE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'VE SPENT SINCE 2019. OBVIOUSLY WE THROUGH 2021 OUT 2021 WAS WHEN COVID REALLY HIT US BIG. PLUS, WE WERE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN ELLIS DAVIS FIELD HOUSE WHERE WE WERE EXPENDING OVERTIME. NOW WE GOT REIMBURSED FOR THAT MONEY, BUT IT DID COST US UP FRONT, SO WE THREW THAT OUT. WE ADDED UP ALL THE PERCENTAGE OF SALARIES AND WE COME TO 7.75% OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS IS WHAT WE SPEND ON AVERAGE FROM OUR BUDGETED SALARIES IN OVERTIME TO OPERATE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND SO THAT IS WHAT I'D ASK CITY MANAGER GODFREY FOR THIS YEAR, FOR 7.75% OF OUR BUDGETED SALARIES TO BE MY LINE OVERTIME, AMOUNT. WHAT CAUSES OUR OVERTIME WHERE YOU CAN SEE MINIMUM MANNING OR MINIMUM STAFFING? THAT'S OUR BIGGEST DRIVE RIGHT NOW. WE DO SPEND A LITTLE MONEY IN SPECIAL EVENTS. NOT A LOT. WHEN WE HAVE THE THINGS AROUND THE CITY, WE'LL THROW A, YOU KNOW, A FEW PARAMEDICS WILL GO. SO IT DOESN'T COST US A LOT. THEIR FIRE INVESTIGATIONS. MY I HAVE A FIRE MARSHAL AND A FIRE INSPECTOR. THAT'S THE ONLY TWO I HAVE, FIRE MARSHAL FREEMAN GETS CALLED OUT ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND WE HAVE TO PAY HIM OVERTIME WHEN HE GOES OUT AND DOES THAT, DEPLOYMENTS IS THE ONLY THING YOU'LL SEE UP HERE THAT'S REIMBURSABLE. WE DO DEPLOY. WE WENT UP TO THE PANHANDLE AND TEXAS'S LARGEST WILDFIRE THIS YEAR. WE'VE ALSO JUST GOT BACK FROM HURRICANE BERYL, WE HAVE RECEIVED. SO THE AMARILLO FIRE, WE HAD $100,000. THAT'S GOING TO BE REIMBURSED TO US. WE RECEIVED 70,000 OF THAT BACK. SO FAR, 25,000 OF THAT IS EQUIPMENT COS.

SO THAT WILL GO BACK TOWARD EQUIPMENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERSONNEL. WHEN WE DEPLOY, THEY FULLY PAY OUR SALARIES, OUR OVERTIME, OUR BACKFILL OVERTIME AND FOR OUR EQUIPMENT THAT WE HAVE, THEY GIVE US MONEY FOR THAT. SO IT ACTUALLY IN ESSENCE, WE MAKE MONEY WHEN WE GO DO THESE DEPLOYMENTS, I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR PAY CYCLES AND CHILIDOGS REAL FAST, JUST SO YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT US GOING INTO THIS NEW FISCAL YEAR.

SO CURRENTLY WE RUN ON A 28 DAY PAY CYCLE. SO FIREFIGHTERS ARE WE'RE SPECIAL RIGHT? WE'RE NOT 40 HOURS. WE WORK 56 HOURS. SO WE WORK IN A 28 DAY PAY CYCLE, 212 HOURS ARE WHAT A FIREFIGHTER IS ALLOWED TO WORK BEFORE IT KICKS THAT PERSON INTO OVERTIME. ANYTHING OVER 212 HOURS, WE HAVE TO PAY THEM TIME AND A HALF. SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE SINCE THE DAY I WALKED IN THE DOOR IS DESOTO HAS ALWAYS GIVEN WHAT WE CALL KELLY HOURS. KELLY HOURS ARE WHAT WE SAY ARE UNPAID DAYS OFF, BUT ACTUALLY WHAT IT DOES IS IT SAVES US THE HALF TIME. SO WE FORCE THE FIREFIGHTER TO TAKE A DAY OFF TO KEEP THEM UNDER THAT 212 HOURS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM THE OVERTIME. SO WE JUST PAY THEM THE STRAIGHT TIME FOR THE TIME THEY'RE THERE. WHAT THAT DOES DO, THOUGH, IS THAT FORCES US TO ALLOW THAT FOURTH FIREFIGHTER OFF EVERY SHIFT, BECAUSE THE KELLY DAYS EAT UP

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IT'LL STILL BE 212 HOURS. WE'RE GOING TO DO AWAY WITH THE KELLY DAYS. AND, WHAT? THIS. OF COURSE, WE STILL HAVE TO PAY THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT AS WHAT THEY CALL FLSA OVERTIME. SO WITHOUT THE KELLY DAYS, WHEN THAT FIREFIGHTER WORKS OVER 212, WE HAVE TO PAY THEM THE TIME AND A HALF FOR THAT TIME. BUT WHAT THIS WILL ALLOW US TO DO IS GO FROM FOUR PERSONNEL OFF A DAY TO THREE PERSONNEL OFF A DAY, BECAUSE IT OPENED UP MY VACATION AND HOLIDAY CALENDAR, WHICH NOW.

SO NOW WE GO TO THOSE NUMBERS AND WE GO, I'VE GOT 22 FIREFIGHTERS. NOW I ONLY HAVE TO ALLOW THREE OFF. THAT BRINGS ME TO 19. I NEED 16 TO RUN THE THREE FIRE STATIONS. SO NOW I'VE GOT A BUFFER OF THREE FIREFIGHTERS. SO IT HELPS OUT A LITTLE BIT FROM SOMEONE CALLING OFF SICK OR BEING HURT OR, OR WHAT HAVE YOU, SOME OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE HAVING TO MAKE THESE CHANGES. YOU KNOW, WE MOVED TO THE NEW PAYROLL SYSTEM, TIME AND ATTENDANCE. AND IT CANNOT DO KELLY HOURS. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE BACK END TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK, AND IT JUST IT JUST WASN'T GOING TO WORK, PERSONALLY, IT WORKED OUT WELL. I BELIEVE TO BE ABLE TO DO AWAY WITH THE KELLY HOURS SO THAT WE CAN OPEN UP OUR CALENDAR AND WE DON'T HAVE TO GIVE ALL THAT ADDITIONAL TIME OFF, SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE'LL FACE IS WE'LL HAVE TO MANAGE THIS FLSA OVERTIME BECAUSE IT WILL HIT OUR OVERTIME BUDGET, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO PAY THOSE FIREFIGHTERS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN OVERTIME. WHEREAS IN YEARS PAST WE WOULD JUST GIVE THEM THE TIME OFF AND THEY WOULDN'T BE AT WORK. NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WOULDN'T PAINT IT, BECAUSE WHEN WE GIVE THOSE GUYS THE TIME OFF, WE WERE HAVING TO BACKFILL THEM WITH OVERTIME ANYWAY. SO WE WERE PAYING IT TWICE, BUT AGAIN, THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY IS MOVING FORWARD. WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO TO THREE PERSONNEL OFFICE SHIFT, WHICH SHOULD GIVE US A BIGGER BUFFER FOR WHEN OUR MANNING IS LOW, SO I THINK IT WAS. COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT TRYING TO PREDICT AND LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND SEE WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO LOSE THE NEXT YEAR TO TRY TO BETTER GUESS WHAT WAS HAPPENING. SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR OPENINGS. RETIREMENT ELIGIBLE. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I HAVE 15 PERSONNEL RIGHT NOW WITH 20 PLUS YEARS. THAT MEANS THEY ARE ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE. I'VE GOT FOUR PERSONNEL RIGHT NOW WITH 30 PLUS YEARS. THAT MEANS THEY'RE REALLY ELIGIBLE TO RETIRE. AND I HAVE THREE OTHER FIREFIGHTERS THAT WILL BECOME ELIGIBLE RETIREMENT IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT'S OVER A THIRD OF MY DEPARTMENT IS ELIGIBLE TO ACTUALLY RETIRE AND LEAVE. SO FACTORING ALL THAT IN, WE EXPECT THAT IN THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE GOING TO LOSE SEVEN FIREFIGHTERS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THAT'S BASED ON WE ROUTINELY AVERAGELY YOU LOSE FOUR PERSONNEL A YEAR. I'M ALREADY DOWN FOUR. AND I'VE GOT A WHOLE HOST THAT COULD RETIRE, FOUR OF THEM BEING OVER 30 YEARS. AND I DON'T EXPECT ALL FOUR OF THOSE TO HOLD ON THIS ENTIRE NEXT YEAR. SOME OF THEM, 33 AND 34 YEARS OF SERVICE.

WELL, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A OVERHIRE ORDINANCE TO BRING TO YOU ALL, SO THAT WAY, KNOWING THAT I'VE GOT THIS COMING, WE CAN TRY TO GET AHEAD OF THE GAME, BECAUSE, REMEMBER, IT TAKES ME A YEAR AND A HALF TO GET SOMEBODY TRAINED FROM NO CERTIFICATION ALL THE WAY UP TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE IN THE FIRE STATION. WE'RE ALSO WORKING WITH OUR FIREFIGHTERS UNION ON LOOKING AT HIRING PARAMEDICS ONLY. CURRENTLY, CIVIL SERVICE DOESN'T ALLOW US TO HIRE A PARAMEDIC ONLY. WE ARE DUAL CERTIFIED FIRE CERTIFICATION. PARAMEDIC CERTIFICATION. IF I CAN HIRE A PARAMEDIC ONLY, I DON'T HAVE TO PAY THEM AS MUCH BECAUSE THEY'RE ONLY A PARAMEDIC. THEY'RE NOT DUAL CERTIFIED, AND THAT WILL ALLOW ME TO GET STAFFING IN AT A, AT A REDUCED COST. NOW, A LOT OF OTHER CITIES ARE STARTING TO GO TO THIS MODEL. DALLAS IS ONE OF THEM. THE COLONY GLENN HEIGHTS JUST MOVED TO IT. SO THEY'RE ALL STARTING TO HIRE THESE PARAMEDICS. ONLY PRIVATE AMBULANCE COMPANIES DON'T TYPICALLY PAY AS WELL AS CITIES, AND THEY DON'T TYPICALLY HAVE AS GOOD A BENEFITS. SO THOSE PARAMEDICS KIND OF FLOCK TO A CITY TO GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK FOR A CITY AND HAVE THOSE CITY BENEFITS, I PUT THIS PERSONNEL DEMOGRAPHICS UP HERE, AND THIS IS GOING TO ROLL INTO HOW WE TEST, SO YOU CAN SEE HOW WE BREAK DOWN MALES AND FEMALES, WHITES, AFRICAN AMERICANS, HISPANICS AND LATINOS. THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS REALLY GOOD WHEN WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON IT, WE ARE 30% MINORITY WITHIN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE AMERICAN FIRE SERVICE IS 20% MINORITY, 80% WHITE MALE. AND WE ARE, 70% WHITE MALE, BUT 30% MINORITY. IF Y'ALL REMEMBER WAY BACK, THOSE THAT WERE HERE IN MARCH OF 2019, WE USED TO DO CLOSE TESTING. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU HAD TO HAVE CERTIFICATION IN ORDER TO TEST FOR US. AND YOU CAN SEE OUR MINORITY APPLICANTS TO TEST FOR US WAS SITTING AT 17%. THAT WAS UNDER CHIEF DUFFIELD. WE GOT TOGETHER. WE MADE THE CHANGE IN IN NOVEMBER OF 19. WE WENT TO OPEN TESTING, WHICH IS NO CERTIFICATIONS REQUIRED, AND YOU CAN SEE OVER OUR LAST FIVE TESTS, THE MINORITY APPLICANTS THAT WE NOW GET IN TO COME TEST FOR US. THAT'S AWESOME. IT'S A GREAT MODEL. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT, BUT IT DOES MEAN WE'RE HIRING PEOPLE AND CERTIFIED. IT GETS INTO THAT YEAR AND A HALF OF HAVING TO TRAIN THEM. I DON'T HAVE THEM AT THE FIRE STATION AND THAT'S WHERE THE OVERTIME COSTS REALLY KICK IN, AND I JUST

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THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL. SURE THING. RELATED TO THE KELLY DAYS. SO THE KELLY DAYS WERE ALLOWED TO ACCUMULATE, AND THEY TOOK THEM OFF IN BATCHES, OR YOU HAD TO TAKE IT OFF WITHIN A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME. YES MA'AM. AND THAT. SO WHEN? SO WE HAVE, THREE SHIFTS. EACH SHIFT HAS WHAT WE CALL A LONG CYCLE, A SHORT CYCLE AND A SHORT CYCLE. SO ONE MONTH IS A LONG ONE MONTH IS A SHORT, ONE MONTH IS SHORT. AND THEN IT REPEATS WHEN YOU'RE IN YOUR LONG CYCLE, YOU HAVE TO TAKE A DAY OFF AND THEN EACH SHIFT WILL HIT A LONG CYCLE EVERY MONTH. SO EVERY MONTH WE WERE HAVING TO ALLOW ALL THE FIREFIGHTERS TO TAKE AT LEAST ONE ADDITIONAL DAY OFF. SO WE DIDN'T PAY THEM THE HALF TIME. OKAY. AND THEN RELATED TO THE OVERTIME. SO JUST LOOKING AT THAT, LOOKING AT WHAT WE'VE DONE IN 2024, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 400,000 IN OVERTIME, YEAH, A LITTLE OVER 400,000 IN OVERTIME, ABSENT THOSE THAT DEPLOYMENT THAT'S REIMBURSED AND SO FOR THAT NUMBER, IF WE WERE TO HAVE PEOPLE VERSUS OVERTIME, DOES THAT WORK AT ALL OR IT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU MANAGED, YOU KNOW, THE TIME OFF AND SO, I MEAN, WE WOULD LOVE MORE PEOPLE. IT WOULD IT WOULD REALLY BRING DOWN THAT OVERTIME MONEY. BUT PEOPLE ARE EXPENSIVE. RIGHT. AND YOU START BRINGING IN PEOPLE AND YOU'VE GOT BENEFITS AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH ADDING THE ADDITIONAL PEOPLE. SO DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU ADDED, IT WOULD BRING THE OVERTIME. BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT WOULD OFFSET A SURE THING. AND THEN WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT T COLE, DID YOU SAY T COLE DOES NOT ALLOW OR DOES ALLOW YOU TO HIRE? PARAMEDICS ONLY OR NOT? SO ONE CIVIL SERVICE, 143 THAT WE'RE UNDER DOES NOT ALLOW US TO HIRE PARAMEDICS ONLY. IT'S AGAINST 143. WE HAVE TO HIRE FIREFIGHTER PARAMEDICS, PER OUR CIVIL SERVICE LAW. HOW DO YOU GET AROUND THAT? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. I'M SORRY. SO, CITY MANAGER HAS AGREED TO, HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIREFIGHTERS ASSOCIATION. AND AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN AGREEANCE AND WE'RE IN AGREEANCE, IT'S A WIN WIN SITUATION. WE CAN GO UNDER CONTRACT THAT THEY AGREE THAT WE CAN HIRE PARAMEDICS ONLY. WE SET ALL THE PARAMETERS OUT AND THEN WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH HIRING PARAMEDICS ONLY. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TO GET THEIR APPROVAL. THE OTHER CITIES GOT THEIR APPROVAL BEFORE THEY DID IT. WELL SO NOT ALL THE OTHER CITIES ARE STATE CIVIL SERVICE LIKE DALLAS IS NOT STATE. GLENN HEIGHTS IS NOT THE THOSE ARE NON CIVIL SERVICE CITIES. SO THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN WE DO BEING STATE CIVIL SERVICE OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU COUNCILWOMAN RAPHAEL. COUNCILMAN BURT I THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, CHIEF. YES, SIR FOR BEING HERE. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. I WAS VERY IMPRESSED WITH OUR, MINORITY HIRING, BUT THE OPENING, THE OPEN AND CLOSE TESTING IS THE DELTA. THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE. ABSOLUTELY. AND IF YOU. WELL, SO BECAUSE WE ARE WE ARE NOW AN OPEN TESTING. IT TAKES A YEAR AND A HALF TO ONBOARD SOMEONE, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE WITH THE CLOSED TESTING IF THEY HAD ALREADY COME CERTIFIED. SO IF THEY ALREADY COME CERTIFIED, WE HAVE A FIELD TRAINING OFFICER PROGRAM THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHERE WE TEST THEM, SIGN THEM OFF ON ENGINE. AND SO THAT USUALLY TAKES US ABOUT TWO MONTHS. WE MAKE THEM SPEND A MONTH ON THE ENGINE, A MONTH ON THE AMBULANCE TO GET UP TO SPEED AND LEARN OUR PROCESS AND GO THROUGH ALL OUR CHECK OFFS. AND AS LONG AS THEY PASS ALL THAT, THEN THEY BE. THEN WITHIN TWO MONTHS I CAN HAVE THEM OPERATING ON THE STREETS. IF THEY COME CERTIFIED. SO FROM A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO MONTHS. YES. WOW. YEAH WOW. AND THE REASON I ASKED, I THINK SOMETIMES WE DRIVE THESE IDEAS WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING THE CONSEQUENCES OF THE IDEA. YOU KNOW. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO AND I, I LIKE THE

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BUT I KNOW THAT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE POLICE, WE KIND OF WENT DOWN THAT ROAD AND WE DID NOT FINISH THE DISCUSSION THEN. SO THANK YOU. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER.

COUNCILMEMBER PARK, I'LL MAKE IT REAL QUICK. YOU'RE REALLY GIVING ME THE CHICAGO FIRE VIBES TONIGHT. THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. I LOVE THAT SHOW, BUT I DID WANT TO ASK WHEN WE'RE TALKING IN TERMS OF KELLY DAYS NOW AGAIN, CHICAGO FIRE, I'M LOOKING AT IT ALL, AND HOW PEOPLE TAKE THE DAY OFF, DAYS OFF. SOMETIMES EQUATES TO BETTER WELLNESS. AND SO HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO ANY OF WHAT IS BEING SAID HERE AS FAR AS KELLY DAYS, IF THEY DON'T GET THAT FORCED TIME OFF, ARE THEY THEN RUNNING THEMSELVES RAGGED? OR I MEAN, DO WE HAVE A LESS OF A STAFF, IF YOU WILL. YOU KNOW, MENTALLY THAT MEANS GREAT QUESTION. SO EVERY FIREFIGHTER WILL LOSE 4 TO 5 DAYS OFF BY DOING AWAY WITH THE KELLY DAYS. THAT'S WHAT IT EQUATES TO. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE USING TO COMBAT THAT AND THIS IS ACTUALLY SWEEPING THE FIRE SERVICE CURRENTLY IS MOVING FROM A 2448 SCHEDULE TO A 4896 SCHEDULE. SO IN OTHER WORDS, OUR FIREFIGHTERS WILL COME IN AND WORK TWO DAYS IN A ROW, BUT IT GIVES THEM FOUR DAYS OFF. AND THEN IF THEY TAKE A SHIFT OR TWO OFF, IF THEY TAKE A 48 OFF, THEN THEY'RE OFF FOR TEN DAYS. SO TO COMBAT THAT AND THIS IS THE NEW CRAZE THAT'S GOING IN THE FIRE SERVICE, WE'RE ACTUALLY MAKING THAT MOVE IN JANUARY ALONG WITH CEDAR HILL. AND DUNCANVILLE HAS ALREADY MADE THE MOVE. SO ALL OF US IN THE SOUTH WILL BE, TO THE NEW 48, 96 FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE LETTING OUR FIREFIGHTERS GET ENOUGH OFF TIME AND REST BEFORE THEY COME TO WORK. OKAY. CHICAGO FIRE. YEAH, I LOOK KIND OF LIKE SEVERIDE, DON'T I? THANK YOU, DOCTOR MARTIN. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DO HAVE A COMMENT. YES, MA'AM. I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO RECEIVING A COPY OF YOUR OVERHIRE PLAN. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY, INTERESTING FOR US TO LOOK AT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT? WHEN YOU MIGHT HAVE IT FOR US BY OCTOBER. OCTOBER BUT AS WE GO INTO THE NEW BUDGET YEAR, THAT'S THAT'S THE PLAN IS TO HAVE IT READY TO COME TO Y'ALL FOR THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. OKAY.

GREAT. THANK YOU. AND WE TEST AUGUST 24TH. JUST SO YOU KNOW, NEXT SATURDAY WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TEST. WE HAVE ABOUT 150 PEOPLE SIGNED UP RIGHT NOW TO TEST. SO THAT'S TO START WORKING ON THE OPENINGS WE HAVE AND THE OPENINGS WE KNOW THAT ARE COMIN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DOCTOR MARKS. THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU CHIEF FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AT THIS TIME I'M GOING TO JUST TURN IT TO CITY MANAGER GODFREY BRIEFLY FOR COMMENTS, BUT TO ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ALL GOT THE DIRECTION THAT YOU NEED FROM COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM. I APPRECIATE IT, MAYOR, AND I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL HAVE THE SAME UNDERSTANDING OF THE OVERTIME MOVING. FORWARD. THAT IS GOING TO BE A PERCENTAGE OF THE SALARIES, AND THAT'S TAKEN AN AVERAGE OR ACTUALLY LESS THAN THE AVERAGE OF THE PRIOR YEAR SPENDINGS. AND SO IT'S GOING TO BE FOR NEXT YEAR, IT WILL BE 7.75% OF THE, SALARY BUDGETED FOR THAT RATHER THAN SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET 200, $300,000 AND THEN HAVE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN FOR OVERTIME. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE TRULY A BUSINESS MANAGEMENT DEAL, MAKING SURE THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS MANAGING THEIR BUDGET WISELY. THEY WILL BE PROVIDING ME FOR WITH A MONTHLY REPORT ON THEIR OVERTIME SPENDING. AND WE WILL PROVIDE THE CITY COUNCIL QUARTERLY REPORTS ON ON THE OVERTIME SPENDING FOR BOTH POLICE AND FIRE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BEEN MANAGED VERY WELL. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I MENTIONED THAT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE. THANK YOU. CITY

[c. Presentation and discussion of Police overtime and Reserve Officers]

NEXT WE HAVE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF POLICE OVERTIME AND RESERVE OFFICERS. MAKING THAT PRESENTATION IS JOE ACOSTA, POLICE CHIEF. GOOEVENING AGAIN, MADAM MAYOR. CITY

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SO FAR, IN PAST YEARS, PARKS WOULD PUT ASIDE $8,500 IN THEIR BUDGET TO PAY FOR SECURITY, WHICH DOESN'T COME, DOESN'T MEET THAT 16,000. BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THIS LAST YEAR'S BUDGET, SO I'M NOT SURE IF WE STOPPED DOING THAT. AND THEN WE JUST, ABSORB THOSE COSTS AS WE GO ALONG.

THESE ARE OUR PAY CODES VERY BUSY SLIDE. BUT, THE CODES THAT ARE IN YELLOW ARE THOSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REIMBURSABLE, THAT'S THE ATHLETIC, THE, THE GRANT. GRANT CODE. THOSE ARE REIMBURSABLE THROUGH ANY GRANTS WE GET. HAIDA IS OUR, DRUG, REIMBURSEMENTS, WHERE WE HAVE SOMEONE ATTACHED TO HAIDA WHEN THEY DO INVESTIGATIONS AND THEN LAST FOR REC SCHOOL FUNCTIONS ARE, THE SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS AND OUR SROS. AND SO THOSE ARE ALL REFUNDABLE, WHICH ADDS UP TO A LOT. BUT IT'S A GOOD CHUNK OF CHANGE OUT OF OUR, OUT OF OUR, OVERTIME BUDGET. AND THIS IS WHAT, THAT, THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE, ATHLETIC. 81,000 SO FAR THIS YEAR. THIS WAS FROM JULY 16TH, THE PAY PERIOD ENDING IN JULY 16TH. WE HAD SPENT $81,000.

SO THAT SHOULD BE ALL REIMBURSABLE. BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE GET A PARTIAL OF THAT BACK, AND THEN WE'VE GOT 84,000 FOR CALLBACK. CALLBACK IS WHEN WE CALL OFFICERS IN FOR EITHER EVENTS THAT WE PUT ON IN THE CITY OR THAT ARE UNPLANNED, OR THEY'RE CALLBACKS FOR WHEN WE HAVE, EVENTS WHERE WE NEED TO CALL OUR OFFICERS BACK FOR WHATEVER IF THEY LEAVE TO GO HOME, OR IF WE CALL THEM IN ON A WEEKEND OR THEIR DAYS OFF, THEN WE CODE THAT AS CALLBACK, BIGGER ONE IS 167, AND THAT'S STRAIGHT OVERTIME. 2426 HOURS FOR THE YEAR, AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S JUST IF THEY WORK OVER, IF WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE OFFICERS WORKING FOR, THAT'S NOT A CALLBACK AND IT'S NOT MINIMUM STAFFING, THEN IT GOES TO THAT OVERTIME CODE. AND, AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THOSE, ALL THE OTHER CODES THAT YOU SEE, WE HAVE, WE KEEP PRETTY GOOD TRACK OF IT. AND WHEN YOU ADD THIS UP IN JULY 16TH, LIKE I SAID, WE'D SPENT 644,000, OF THAT 193,000 WAS REIMBURSABLE. AND WE HAVE BUDGETED 700,000 THIS YEAR. SO WE'RE STILL UNDER BUDGET. WHEN YOU TAKE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MONEY THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE REIMBURSED, REIMBURSABLE AND CREDITED TO OUR ACCOUNT. THIS IS WHAT OUR BUDGETED OVERTIME AND PART TIME FROM 2022 TO 2024. AND IF YOU LOOK THAT WE WERE ONLY IN 2022, SCHEDULED TO HAVE 220,000, WE WENT OVER, BY 279,000 THAT YEAR. AND, PART TIME BUDGET WE WERE UNDER BY A LITTLE BIT, 23.

WE STILL HAD 220,000 THAT WE WERE BUDGETED, WE WENT OVER BY A LOT MID-YEAR. WE GOT ADJUSTED AND THE 325,000, I'M SORRY, 305,000 WAS ATTRIBUTED TO OUR, OVERTIME. ACCOUNT, WHICH GAVE US 505 525,000. AND WHEN YOU SUBTRACT THAT FROM 814 COMES OUT TO 288 THAT WE WERE OVER. BUT WHAT IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO ACCOUNT IS THAT WE PROBABLY TOOK IN ABOUT $250,000 THAT WAS REIMBURSABLE. SO WE WERE ONLY OVER BY 50,000 OR, I'M SORRY, 39,000, LAST YEAR, EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKED LIKE WE WERE OVER BY A LOT, WE DIDN'T GET ACCOUNT OR CREDITED FOR THAT MONEY THAT

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YOU HAVE ONE SPECIFICALLY FOR OVERTIME. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS RESERVES COUNCIL. WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO WRAP UP THE CONVERSATION HERE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO WRAP THEM IN ONE? AS FAR AS YOUR QUESTIONS, I'D LIKE TO IF WE COULD TAKE THEM SEPARATELY. SEPARATELY. I THINK THAT'S THE BETTER IDEA. OKAY. SO WE CAN. YEAH. SO WE WON'T GET TOO FAR AWAY FROM OUR QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. WELL, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU YOURS AS WELL. CHICAGO PD IS HAPPENING FOR ME TONIGHT, AND IT'S LIKE, WOW, I LOVE BOTH THOSE SHOWS. BUT I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION AS FAR AS PAIGE OR THE ONE WITH ALL OF THE NUMBERS ON IT, I DON'T KNOW THE NUMBER. IT'S NOT NUMBERED, CAN YOU BRING THAT BACK UP? IT TALKS ABOUT POLICE OVERTIME. OH. I'M SORRY. SHOULD I BE GOING? NO. IT'S OKAY. NO. WAITING FOR THEM TO PULL IT UP FOR US. OKAY. I THINK HE'S GOING TO PUT THE NUMBERS, THE TIMER UP THERE. OH, OKAY. WHICH ONE? WHICH WHICH PAGE WAS IT? THE ONE THAT HAS THE NUMBERS ON IT. THAT. NO. GO.

ONE MORE. THIS ONE. SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS RIGHT HERE AND WHERE IT SAYS, LIKE TIARA, THAT'S 700 HOURS, WHAT IS THAT FOR? SO THAT'S TRAINING. THAT'S OUR FIELD TRAINING OFFICERS, WHEN THEY'RE TRAINING SOME NEW RECRUITS. OKAY, AND WE'VE, WE'VE HAD QUITE A FEW OVER THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS, THEY, THEY GET PAID EXTRA MONEY FOR DOING THAT, AND THEY HAVE TO PUT IN TIME TO DO THE REPORTS AFTER A SHIFT OR BEFORE A SHIFT. THEY COME IN EARLY WHEN THEY'RE DOING DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THAT ADDS UP TO 700 HOURS TOTAL. SO FAR THIS YEAR. AND THAT'S $4,000, I'M SORRY, $54,000 SO FAR. THAT'S EXPENDED. AND YOU SAID THE CB IS WHAT CALLBACK? OKAY.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. AND THEN SO AS FAR AS THE LAST PAGE THAT YOU GAVE THE NUMBERS AND YOU SAID YOU WEREN'T ACCREDITED FOR THE OVERTIME. YES, MA'AM. LAST YEAR, WHAT WOULD. WHAT WOULD THIS HAVE LOOKED LIKE? SHOULD THERE HAVE BEEN ANOTHER COLUMN THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE REIMBURSABLE PIECE, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SHEET AND I STILL DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE REIMBURSABLE PAR. YES, SIR, BECAUSE IF I SAW IF I LOOKED AT ONE OF YOUR SHEETS, IT SHOWED THEM, HIGHLIGHTED AND IT SAYS REIMBURSABLE. ALL OF THOSE ARE REIMBURSABLE. YES, MA'AM.

AND SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHY DOESN'T YOUR WHY DOESN'T ANYTHING, I GUESS IS SOME OF THE SHEETS SHOULD HAVE. SO I SHOW IT REVERSIBLE COLUMN AS WELL. I SHOW IT RIGHT HERE. WHAT IT IS WHEN YOU ADD UP THOSE YELLOWS. I DIDN'T PUT THE YELLOW IN THIS ONE. BUT IF YOU GO BACK, ONE RIGHT THERE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE REIMBURSABLE. OKAY? OKAY. SO WHEN YOU ADD THAT, THAT, THAT AND THOSE, THOSE FOUR THERE, THEN, JULY 16TH, IT ADDED UP TO 193,000 THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CREDITED FOR TO BE REIMBURSED. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO YOUR LAST SHEET WOULD HAVE HAD THAT COLUMN SAYING THIS IS WHAT'S REIMBURSED, WILL BE REIMBURSED AS OF OCTOBER 1ST OR SEPTEMBER 30TH. SAY THAT AGAIN. I'M SORRY. WHEN WILL THAT BE REIMBURSED? OH IT'S REIMBURSED THROUGHOUT THE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO THOSE ATHLETIC EVENTS ARE REIMBURSED. THEN THE SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS AND THE SCHOOL FUNCTIONS ARE REIMBURSED MONTHLY AS WE GET THEM. AND INVOICES SENT FROM FINANCE. SO FINANCE KEEPS TRACK OF THE ACTUAL AMOUNT THAT'S REIMBURSED, WE KEEP TRACK OF WHAT THE HOURS WE HAVE AND WHAT IT IS. SO THEY MAY THEY MAY BE THE SAME. HOPEFULLY THEY ARE, THEY MAY BE OFF A LITTLE, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY'VE BROUGHT IN THE MONTH BEFORE AND SO ON. AND IT CATCHES UP AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE'LL KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH WAS BROUGHT IN FROM ALL THOSE ENTITIES. AND AND WHAT WE SAY IT SHOULD BE. BUT, OKAY. ALL OUR HOURS WERE CREDITED WITH THAT 193,000. THANK YOU. MY TIME IS UP. BUT I DO WANT TO ASK, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY AS A PART OF THE DEPARTMENTAL UPDATE, THAT WE'LL HAVE THAT COLUMN ADDED SOMEWHERE? ABSOLUTELY. TO SHOW THE REIMBURSE AGAINST WHAT THE ACTUALS ARE? YES, MA'AM. I CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILWOMAN PARKER. YES,

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AND THE CITY DECIDED TO HAVE A CRAWFISH FESTIVAL. YES. ALL RIGHT, THEN YOU HAVE TO PUT YOUR PEOPLE INTO OVERTIME BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE ADDITIONAL BODIES. OH WELL, I COULD BE FULLY STAFFED. AND WE HAVE A CRAWFISH FESTIVAL. THAT'S ALL. OVERTIME. THAT'S EXTRA DUTY. WE DON'T JUST TAKE PEOPLE OFF THE STREET AND PUT THEM INTO A CRAWFISH FESTIVAL OR TO A HISPANIC HERITAGE. THAT IS ALL. THAT'S A CITY EVENT. IF YOU REMEMBER, I WENT BACK ON, ON ON THAT SLIDE THAT HAD CITY EVENT ATHLETIC EVENTS. SO ANY CITY EVENT IS AUTOMATICALLY ALL OVERTIME FOR EVERYBODY. POLICE AND FIRE. WHEN FIRE PUTS PEOPLE AT THOSE EVENTS. OKAY. I AM TOTALLY I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING. SO I WILL I'LL SEND A TEXT BECAUSE I SOMEWHERE BEING UNDERSTAFFED. IF YOU ARE STAFFED FOR 70 POLICE OFFICERS, IF YOU'RE IF YOUR BUDGET SAY YOU NEED 80 OR 90, RIGHT. AND YOU'RE RUNNING WITH 70, RIGHT. THAT DELTA BETWEEN THE TWO SHOULD EQUATE TO OVERTIME PAY AT SOME LEVEL. AND THAT'S WHAT I YOU'RE SAYING. NO. AND I'M SAYING I WILL DIGRESS BECAUSE I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHY NOT. SO LET'S GET TOGETHER SEPARATELY. AND THEN I CAN PROBABLY TELL YOU WHAT THAT HOW THAT ALL WORKS AND, AND, IF I MAY, COUNCIL MEMBER, YOU BOTH ARE CORRECT. IN THE SENSE OF, WHEN WE HAVE NINE VACANCIES AND WE HAVE TO STAFF A SPECIFIC, SPECIFIC SHIFT. YES. IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE MISSING A VACANCY. YEAH, YOU WOULD HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO OVERTIME. WHAT? THE CHIEF. WHAT THE CHIEF IS SAYING IS THAT, ALSO, HE HE RUNS HIS HIS, HIS TEAM A LITTLE BIT MORE DYNAMICALLY, MEANING THAT HE HAS THE ABILITY TO MOVE PEOPLE ON SPECIAL ASSIGNMENTS FROM ONE AREA TO ANOTHER AREA BECAUSE THEY COULD BE TRAINED IN

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THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER FOR THAT EXPLANATION AND THAT COMMITMENT. SO I'M GOING TO RATTLE OFF A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND I'M HAPPY TO RECEIVE THIS BACK IN THE NEXT REPORTS OR WHATEVER COMMUNICATION, IF IT'S TOO MUCH FOR RIGHT NOW, WHERE ARE MY TWO MINUTES? WHERE ARE MY OTHER ZEROS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE MEASURING EFFECTIVENESS AS IT RELATES TO CRIME PREVENTION. AND OUR RESPONSE TIMES RELATED TO THIS OVERTIME. SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND OVERTIME. ALONG WITH THAT, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND OVERTIME FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WE HAVE WE SPENT A, YOU KNOW, QUITE A BIT ON, SPECIAL EVENTS FOR OVERTIME. BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE IMPACT AS IT RELATES TO STREET PRESENCE, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF PATROLLING AND THINGS. I DID SEE THE SURVEY. I DID TAKE THE SURVEY. BUT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR US HERE IN THE CITY, AS WE'RE PRIORITIZING THESE ASSIGNMENTS, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE, HOW ARE WE PRIORITIZING THESE ASSIGNMENTS RELATED TO COMMUNITY EVENTS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS ON THE STREET? YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT. AND THEN I WANT TO SEE A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT'S BEEN SPENT ON STREET PATROLS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, I SEE FOR SURE, SPECIAL EVENTS. BUT, WITH THE, WITH THE CODES AND EVERYTHING, THAT WAS A LITTLE HARDER FOR ME TO, TO, TO KIND OF GATHER. SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO WITH THIS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF EVENTS AND THINGS THAT WE DO, JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT, LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOLLARS, BUT THEN RESIDENTS ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, FEELING SECURE OR THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY DO TALK ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY. I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT LIKE, REALLY LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS HAVING ONE TO THE OTHER WITH SO MANY, YOU KNO, EVENTS OR SO MANY WHATEVER THE OTHER THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, VERSUS LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE FEWER PATROLS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT.

I WAS READY FOR ABOUT FIVE MORE, I'LL, I'LL ANSWER, A SPECIAL EVENTS. THE IMPACT THAT THAT HAS. AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO TELL COUNCIL MEMBER BARRETT, IS THAT IF WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT, WE HAVE A 4TH OF JULY EVENT THAT DOES NOT IMPACT OUR PATROLS AS FAR AS THE STAFFING THAT'S OUT ON THE STREET, WE HAVE MINIMUM STAFFING NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.

THAT WON'T BE ANY OVERTIME. THAT'S NOT GOING TO AFFECT THAT. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THOSE EXTRA PATROLS DOING TRAFFIC OUT ON THE, OUT ON THE STREETS THAT, RUN INTO THE THAT CITY EVENT.

AND THEN WE'LL HAVE EXTRA PATROLS AROUND THAT EVENT AND INSIDE THE EVENT. SO WE TAKE

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I APPRECIATE THAT. AND ONE LAST THING, IF YOU CAN UPDATE US ON THIS ONE, THE IMPACT OF THE INVESTIGATION OVER TIME, THAT CID AND THEN THAT SIU ON THEIR ABILITY TO SOLVE CRIMES EFFECTIVELY. AND YOU KNOW, DO WE NEED TO INCREASE WHAT A PERSON VERSUS THE OVERTIME. SO I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND LIKE THESE NUMBERS AGAINST, YOU KNOW HAVING BETTER SERVICES FOR OUR COMMUNITY. ABSOLUTELY. SURE I CAN I CAN BREAK THAT ALL DOWN AND GET YOU ANOTHER REPORT SEPARATELY. THANK YOU, I DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTS. I KNOW YOU HAVE AN ADDITIONAL PRESENTATION FOR RESERVE, SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THAT. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. SO QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT OUR RESERVES, HOW MANY DO WE HAVE. HOW DO THEY OPERATE HOW WE PAY THEM. WHY DO WE PAY THEM. AND SO WE PUT TOGETHER A QUICK LITTLE, POWERPOINT FOR YOU SO THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE RESERVES ARE, HOW THEY CAME ABOUT, AND HOW THEY BENEFIT THE CITY AND THE DEPARTMENT. SO THE CITY OF DESOTO CODE OF ORDINANCES 8.701, CREATED THE RESERVE FORCE AND SAID THAT IT WAS SUCH A FORCE, SUCH FORCE TO BE SEPARATE AND DISTINCT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IT WAS ESTABLISHED BACK IN 1964, CHIEF OF POLICE SHALL BE THE HEAD OF THE DESOTO POLICE RESERVE, AND THE MEMBERS OF THE RESERVE SHALL BE UNDER MY AUTHORITY, CONTROL AND COMMAND. 30 MEMBERS IS WHAT IS IN THAT ORDINANCE. SECTION 9.703. SO I CAN HIRE UP TO 30 MEMBERS AND THEY ARE APPOINTED BY ME. AS WE SAID EARLIER, THEIR DUTIES ARE TO ASSIST AND BE A SUPPLEMENTARY CAPACITY. SO I CAN'T PUT THEM OUT ON THE STREET, AS AS TO TAKE THE PLACE OF OUR FULL TIME OFFICERS. NOT ONLY IS THAT IN OUR ARTICLE 9.70, BUT IT'S ALSO IN OUR, CIVIL SERVICE, THAT THEY CAN'T BE USED TO REPLACE FULL TIME POLICE OFFICERS. AND IN 2012, ORDINANCE WAS ADDED TO IT. AN ARTICLE WAS ADDED TO THE ORDINANCE THAT THEY MAY BE COMPENSATED. AND THIS IS A CIVIL SERVICE, CIVIL SERVICE MAKES NO DISTINCTION BETWEEN PART TIME AND FULL TIME OFFICERS. SO WHEN I CAME TO THE CITY OF DESOTO AS THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN 2012, WE

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AND THOSE FOUR OFFICERS, THREE OF THEM LEFT AND THEY WERE PAID OUT FOR ALL THE BENEFITS THAT THEY ACCUMULATED, EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE PART TIME, THEY WERE CONSIDERED TO BE CIVIL SERVICE.

STILL AND COVERED BY THOSE RIGHTS. SO THAT'S WHY WE CREATED THAT'S WHY WE CHANGED THEM TO RESERVES AND NOT PART TIME OFFICERS. AND SO WE HAVE EIGHT, EIGHT OFFICERS WE CAN HIRE UP TO 30. BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH FOR US. WE HAVE EIGHT. AND THIS IS WHAT THEIR DUTIES ARE. ONE OFFICER IS ASSIGNED TO PATROL AND THAT'S AN EXTRA OFFICER THEY HELP WITH, MAYBE TOWING VEHICLES. IF WE IF WE GET AN ACCIDENT, THEY'LL HELP DIRECTING TRAFFIC, STANDBY TO TOW VEHICLES, HELP WITH SEARCHES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, ONE OFFICER DOES FINGERPRINTS AND DOES LEADS ONLINE. LEADS ONLINE IS PAWN PAWNSHOP REGISTRY. AND THEY GO THROUGH THAT TO IDENTIFY STOLEN PROPERTY FROM REPORTS THAT WE GET FROM THEFTS AND OTHER THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN THE CITY. AND, TWO OFFICERS DO OUR SEX OFFENDER REGISTRATIONS. WE HAVE OVER 80 SEX OFFENDERS THAT ARE REGISTERED THAT ARE IN OUR CITY, THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND SO THEY WE HAVE TO CHECK ON THEM ONCE A YEAR. WE TRY TO CHECK ON THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE. AND OUR TWO OFFICERS DO THAT, QUITE REGULARLY. AND THEY ALSO HELP OUT WITH JAIL TRANSPORTS. WE TRANSPORT PEOPLE FROM THE JAIL FOUR TIMES A WEEK. AND, THE OTHER THREE TIMES THE COUNTY WILL TRANSPORT OUR PRISONERS IN THE MORNING AFTER THEIR MAGISTRATE, BY OUR CITY JUDGE WHO'S ON THE LINE IN CASE WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, WE HAVE ONE OFFICER THAT'S ASSIGNED TO SPECIAL PROJECTS AND EVENTS, HELPS US SCHEDULING DIFFERENT EVENTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PUTS ON NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, TEXAS NIGHT OUT. OUR ANNUAL BANQUET AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. ONE OFFICER ASSISTS SERGEANT LYONS, WHO HANDLES OUR FACILITY, ALL OUR VEHICLES AND ALL OUR EQUIPMENT AND HELPS HIM TO KEEP THAT IN LINE, ONE OFFICER IS A GRANT WRITER AND ALSO IS OUR HISPANIC LIAISON. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE OFFICER ASSIGNED STRICTLY TO JAIL TRANSPORTS. AND HERE'S SOME OF THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS, THEY MAKE ARRESTS, AND THEY THEY WRITE CITATIONS, AND THAT'S OUR SEX OFFENDER REGISTRATION OFFICERS. AND ALSO OUR PATROL OFFICER AND MAKE RECOVERIES, AS WE SAID, ONE OFFICER DOES OUR FINGERPRINTS, COMPARISONS AND ALSO, CHECKS ALL THE PAWNSHOPS FOR STOLEN PROPERTY, I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE SEX OFFENDER CHECKS.

THEY MAKE ARRESTS AND THEY HOLD THOSE SEX OFFENDERS TO COMPLIANCE. THEY'VE DONE 150 PLUS THIS YEAR. SO FAR, JAIL TRANSPORTS FROM OCTOBER TO JULY, THE BLUE NUMBER, 1232 IS WHAT OUR, RESERVE OFFICERS HAVE TRANSPORTED TO THE COUNTY. AND 743 IS WHAT THE COUNTY HAS TRANSPORTED ON THOSE THREE DAYS THAT THEY TRANSPORT IN 2023, WE DID A TOTAL OF 1543 JAIL TRANSPORTS, BY OUR RESERVES, THE OFFICER THAT DOES GRANTS, SHE'S GOTTEN US OVER $500,000, IN DIFFERENT GRANTS, WE'VE GOT A K9 GRANT. WE'VE GOT A HORSE RANCH, OFFICER WELLNESS PROGRAM THAT WE THAT WE DID, A TEEN MENTOR AND TRUANCY PREVENTION PROGRAM THAT'S ONGOING NOW. AND, SHE'S GOTTEN US $10,000 IN NARCAN AND BRASS TRACKS IS A, A SHELL CASING COMPARISON, MODULE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH ATF TO TRY AND GET THAT HERE, WITH TO GO ALONG WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND ALL THE, GUN VIOLENCE THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY, AND THEN THE OTHER OFFICER THAT DOES OUR SPECIAL EVENTS IS HANDLED. POLICE GAMES, SENIOR SYMPOSIUM, HEALTH FAIR, RCIC. WHICH IS REGIONAL, ORGANIZED CRIME INTELLIGENCE CENTER, OUR CONFERENCES THAT WE DO AND, HANDLES THE POLICE ANNUAL BANQUET, AMONG OTHER THINGS. HERE'S OUR SALARY. WE, THE CITY MOVED THEM INTO A PAY GRADE BAC, THREE, THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO. AND THEY PUT ON PAY GRADE 109.

THEY HAVE 12 STEPS. AND STARTING SALARY IS 26, 29 PER HOUR TO 38, 38 PER HOUR. OUR AVERAGE HOURS THAT EACH OFFICER WILL WORK IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 12 AND 20 HOURS, PART TIME BUDGET LINE ITEM IN THIS YEAR IS $238,000. BUT THAT INCLUDES THE RESERVES. OUR RECORDS CLERK, WE HAVE ONE PART TIME, CAREER COORDINATOR, ONE PART TIME, AND OUR TWO LOBBY RECEPTIONISTS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THAT BUDGETED OVERTIME AND PART TIME. AND SO FAR THIS YEAR, IT SHOWS THAT WE ARE OVER BY 18,000. HOWEVER THE TWO PART TIME, LOBBY WOMEN THAT WE HAVE, THAT'S REALLY A FULL TIME

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GOES WITH ANY OFFICER THAT'S HERE THAT VOLUNTEERS. WE STILL HAVE THE SAME LIABILITY WITH VOLUNTEERS, BUT THEY'RE ABSORBED ON THE HTML. AND THEY ARE. THEY ARE COVERED BY OUR HTML INSURANCE AT NO COST TO US, IT'S JUST ROLLED INTO WHAT WE PAY ON THAT INSURANCE, I APPRECIATE THE BREAKDOWN. I GUESS THE MY REAL QUESTION IS FOR THE FOR THE AGENCIES, THE TEXAS AGENCIES THAT DON'T PAY THEIR RESERVISTS. WHY WOULDN'T THEY PAY THEM? I DON'T KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THEM. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW THAT. OKAY. SO. OH, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. I THINK THAT'S A VALID THAT'S A VALID QUESTION. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CERTAINLY CAN PULL THE OTHER AGENCIES AND, AND FIND OUT WHY AND, OR IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FORM OF COMPENSATION TO THEM.

YEAH. BECAUSE WE CAN BRING THAT BACK. I'M INTERESTED BECAUSE BECAUSE WE'RE CIVIL SERVICE. I UNDERSTAND WE GET INTO OTHER THINGS, BUT THERE HAS TO BE OTHER CIVIL CIVIL SERVICE AGENCIES THAT OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THERE ARE SEVERAL THAT ARE NOT HERE THAT. SO I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTED ON WHY WOULDN'T THEY PAY AND WHY DID WE MOVE TO THE POINT WHERE WE DO PAY THEM, AND WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF PAYING THEM VERSUS NOT PAYING THEM? THAT IS WHAT BECAUSE I'VE, I'VE, I'VE TALKED WITH SOMEONE THAT WORK OUT OF DALLAS AND SO SOME OF THE SAME QUESTIONS THEY ASKED. SO YEAH THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU CHIEF. YES, SIR. THANK YOU.

COUNCILMEMBER. COUNCILMEMBER RAFAEL. SURE THING. THANK YOU FOR THE THIS PRESENTATION. SO, WHILE YOU WERE SAYING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD, I JUST LOOKED IT UP REALLY QUICKLY, AND BYRD HAS A POLICE RESERVE FORCE, BUT THEY ARE THEY SERVE WITHOUT PAY AND VOLUNTEER TO ASSIST IN REGULAR DUTIES FROM DURING TIMES OF DISASTER AND EMERGENCY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ANY VALIDITY. IF THAT THAT MIGHT THAT'S NEITHER HERE NOR THERE RIGHT NOW. BUT MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO, HOW WE AND THIS IS I'M THINKING ABOUT SERVICES AND JUST HOW WE RECEIVE, COME WHEN, WHEN, SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEY NEED TO REPORT A CRIME. MY UNDERSTANDING OUR POLICY IS THAT AN OFFICER WILL COME FROM WHEREVER THEY ARE TO TAKE THAT, TO DO THE INTAKE FOR THAT IF NO ONE IS AVAILABLE AT THE STATION. AND SO I GUESS I WANT TO UNDERSTAND, LIKE HOW OFTEN DOES

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AN OFFICER IS CALLED IN, THE WAY WE WORK IS PATROL WILL TAKE THE INITIAL CALL AND THEN PATROL WILL WORK IT IF THEY CAN, IF SOMEONE COMES IN TO REPORT A MAJOR CRIME AND IT'S DURING THE DAY, THEN A CID, A DETECTIVE WILL COME OUT AND MEET WITH THEM. TAKE THEIR INFORMATION AND WORK THE CASE FROM THERE. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE DO THAT. IF IT'S A SMALLER CRIME, A CRIMINAL MISCHIEF OR A THEFT OR SOMETHING SMALL LIKE THAT, IF IT'S DURING THE DAY, ONE OF OUR CSOS WILL COME OUT AND TAKE THAT REPORT AND WORK THAT, SO NOT ALWAYS DOES A PROL OFFICER COME OUT, BUT YES, SOMETIMES IN THE OFF HOURS. THEN WHEN THE DEPARTMENT'S CLOSED, WE'LL CALL IN A PATROL DISPATCH, WE'LL CALL A PATROL IN TO MEET THAT COMPLAINANT AND TAKE THEIR INFORMATION. OKAY OKAY. AND YOU HEARD MY QUESTION, THOUGH. I MEAN, THE REQUEST JUST JUST FOR THAT CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND. SO, I'LL SEND AN EMAIL ON THIS ONE ON A PARTICULAR INCIDENT, HOWEVER, AS IT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, RESERVES AND HOW, HOW WE USE THEM AND PAY THEM, HAVE WE EVER USED A FREE RESERVE, MEANING WE'VE NOT PAID THE RESERVE, THEY'VE JUST COME IN TO VOLUNTEER TO ASSIST WITH US IN ANY TIME IN OUR IN OUR RECENT HISTORY. SO WE USED TO HAVE RESERVES, NOT PAID, AS I SAID, 2012, WE STARTED PAYING THEM AND STARTED OUT THAT THEY WERE PAID $22 AN HOUR AND, AND THEN THEY WERE PUT ON THE STEP PLAN A FEW YEARS AGO. AND WHEN THEY VOLUNTEERED, THEY VOLUNTEERED FOR VARIOUS DUTIES, THEY WERE HARD TO GET IN INTO WORK, TO HELP OUT. AND THEY WEREN'T THEY WEREN'T VERY DEPENDABLE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T GETTING PAID. SO, CITY MANAGER AT THAT TIME, AND I AND HR SAT DOWN AND DECIDED THAT WE WOULD COMPENSATE THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN, BY LAW, IN THE STATE, AND WE WOULD GET, MORE SERVICE OUT OF THEM AND THEY'D BE MORE DEPENDABLE. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO DO THAT BACK IN 2012. CHIEF, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. YOU ADDRESSED IT IN PART, AND IT IS REGARDING THE, THE JAILER, THE PICKING UP AND TRANSPORTING TO DALLAS COUNTY AT THIS POINT, YOU YOU HAVE PART HOUR RESERVE OFFICERS FOR THE FOR THE TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSPORTS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE. DO WE HAVE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE DIVIDING IT UP SOME SOME OF THAT IS DONE BY OUR RESERVES. AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS DONE BY DALLAS COUNTY. IS THAT ACCURATE? YES. SO WE TRANSPORT FOUR DAYS A WEEK AND DALLAS COUNTY PICKS UP THREE DAYS A WEEK IF WE'RE LUCKY. IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR REASON FOR THAT CADENCE, OR COULD DALLAS COUNTY NOT DO THE ENTIRETY OF IT, OR IS THERE A REASON WHY WE HAVE TO SPLIT IT THAT WAY, DALLAS COUNTY WON'T COME AND PICK EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. THEY WON'T PICK UP EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. AND WHEN THEY DO COME, SOMETIMES THEY PICK AND CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT TO TAKE. IF SOMEONE IS LOUD AND BOISTEROUS, THEY MAY DECIDE THEY DON'T WANT TO TAKE THEM. IF THEY THINK THEY MIGHT GET, HELD UP AT THE NURSES STATION AT THE JAIL, THEY WON'T THEY WON'T TAKE THEM. SO WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE ON OUR END, AND THEN WE'LL TRANSPORT THEM THE NEXT DAY ON OUR OWN. SO, THE JUDGE, AND OUR JAIL STAFF AND, AND I DEVELOPED A PROCESS BACK SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND HE MAGISTRATES, FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, HIS STAFF PROCESSES ALL THE PAPERWORK, AND WE CAN MOVE THOSE PEOPLE OUT QUICKLY IN THE MORNING. INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR THE COUNTY WHEN THEY MAY OR MAY NOT SHOW UP. AND WE WORK WITH THE COUNTY TO SAY IF YOU CAN COME THOSE THREE DAYS AND BE STEADY, THEN WE CAN DO THE FOUR DAYS A WEEK AND TRANSPORT AND, THEY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO COME EVERY DAY TO TRANSPORT. SO WE WORKED OUT THOSE FOUR DAYS TO, TO TRANSPORT ON OUR OWN TO LESSEN THE LIABILITY IN OUR JAILS. SO THAT, PEOPLE ARE NOT SPENDING SPENDING A LOT OF TIME IN JAIL AND ALSO TO KEEP THOSE JAIL NUMBERS DOWN, BEFORE WE DID THIS, WE HAD TO SHUT THE JAIL DOWN SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE WERE AT CAPACITY, WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT 40 OR MORE PEOPLE IN JAIL. WE CAN HOLD UP TO 55, BUT THAT 40, ONCE WE HIT THAT SPOT AND WE COULDN'T MOVE ANYONE OUT, WE'D WE'D STOP TAKING PEOPLE IN AT THAT TIME. AND SO, THAT WAS SHUT DOWN. THE JAIL AND OUR, OUR PARTNERS WOULD GET UPSET THAT THEY COULDN'T BRING ANYBODY DIRECTLY TO OUR JAIL. SO WHEN WE PUT THIS PROCESS IN PLACE, NOW WE'RE WE'RE ON AN AVERAGE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN BETWEEN 10 AND 12, IN THERE A SHIFT OR OVERNIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT'S HUGE FOR OUR LIABILITY AND ALSO FOR THE PROCESSES THAT WE DO WITH, WITH PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE IN JAIL. OKAY. I HAVE A SECOND PART TO MY

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[d. Discussion of the prioritization of City Council agenda item requests ]

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SO IF YOU COULD BRING THE TIMER BACK UP, PLEASE, I HAD SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR ITEM IN TERMS OF WHEN DOES THE ITEM COME OFF OF THIS PARTICULAR LIST. AND I KNOW THAT THE, THE SOME OF THE RATIONALE, IF I, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, SOME OF THE RATIONALE BEHIND DOING THIS WAS SO THAT AGAIN, THERE COULD WE CREATE WE COULD CREATE A SENSE OF FAIRNESS.

NUMBER ONE, IN TERMS OF HOW THINGS GOT BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND WHEN THINGS CAME BEFORE THE COUNCIL. AND MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL WAS IN AGREEMENT WITH MOVING ANY OF THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS FORWARD. AND SO I KNOW THAT THINGS LIKE THE SPEED BUMPS, THE TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY, THE REQUIREMENT FOR BUSINESS SECURITY CAMERAS, THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS, AND THE NAMING FACILITY NAMING POLICY. I KNOW THAT COUNCIL HAS, TO SOME DEGREE HAS SOME CONSENSUS ON WANTING TO SEE THOSE THINGS BROUGHT BACK, WANTING TO SEE ORDINANCES PROVIDED, WANTING TO SEE THOSE THINGS. SO I THINK THAT MY QUESTION THAT I HAVE THAT I WOULD WANT TO SEE US GET SOME SORT OF A, SOME SORT OF A CADENCE TO IS WHEN DO THEY COME OFF OF THIS PARTICULAR LIST? ONCE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED AND KIND OF STAMPED BY COUNCIL TO SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD SO STAFF CAN CONTINUE TO DO THE RESEARCH. ALSO, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR STAFF TO HELP US UNDERSTAND AS A COUNCIL IS TO LEVEL SET OUR EXPECTATIONS ON WHEN THESE THINGS WILL COME BACK, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THESE SOME OF THESE ARE QUICK ANSWERS.

SOME OF THESE ARE THINGS THAT MAY TAKE MONTHS IN ORDER TO DEVELOP A POLICY FOR. AND SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD HELP TO, LEVEL SET COUNCIL'S EXPECTATIONS ON WHEN THESE THINGS COME BACK AND HOW FAST THEY MOVE FORWARD AND WHERE THEY FALL IN LINE WITH THE BUSINESS PLAN. CONSIDERING THAT STAFF ALREADY HAS A LOT OF THEIR BUSINESS PLANS AND ALL THOSE THINGS DEVELOPED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND SO TO ADD SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT NECESSARILY FALL WITHIN THE BUSINESS PLAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THAT IN THE MIDDLE OF, YOU KNOW, WHILE STAFF IS ALREADY HAVE THEIR BUSINESS PLAN, STRATEGIC PLANS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT THEY'RE WORKING ON AND SO TO ADD ITEMS INTO THEIR WORK PLAN, IN THEIR DAILY WORK MAY NOT ALWAYS BE PRUDENT.

AND SO WE AS COUNCIL UNDERSTAND THAT. SO I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF A, A FORMAT TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHEN WILL STAFF BE WORKING ON IT, BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE OF THE WAY OR WHEN IT FALLS IN LINE, OR WHAT TIME OF YEAR OR WHAT, WHAT ALL STAFF HAS ON THEIR PLATE AS TO NOT ADD MORE ON TOP OF AN ALREADY PROBABLY BUSY SCHEDULE. AND SO THOSE WERE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD WHEN LOOKING AT HOW WE COULD CONTINUE TO IMPROVE IT. I THINK THE PROCESS HAS WORKED. I THINK THAT IT'S GOOD THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT HELPING UNDERSTAND WHEN DO THE ITEMS COME OFF OF THIS LIST SO THAT WE DON'T JUST HAVE A LIST STACKING UP AND THINGS ON HERE THAT WE HAVE SOMEWHAT AGREED TO MOVE FORWARD, THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE LIST, KIND OF JUST SITTING HERE FOR A YEAR. SO WHEN DO THEY COME OFF ALSO HELPING US TO LEVEL SET EXPECTATIONS ON HOW THESE ITEMS ARE PRIORITIZED? I GUESS THAT'S THE MOST SIMPLE WAY TO PUT IT.

HOW THEY'RE PRIORITIZED. AND WHAT IS THE EXPECTATION ON WHEN A PARTICULAR ITEM MAY COME BACK AND THEY MAY BE CATEGORIZING THE TYPES OF ITEMS THAT WERE THAT, THAT THEY ARE, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT GENERALLY TAKES TO MOVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT FORWARD. SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU. MADAM MAYOR. I WOULD SAY I LOOKING AT THIS LIST, I REMEMBER AND MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER COUNCILMEMBERS, DOCTOR MARX AND RAPHAEL, COUNCILWOMAN, I THINK THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED SOME OF IT WITH WHAT WE'RE THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING OUR WINTER RETREAT AND OUR SUMMER RETREAT. NOW THAT WE WOULD I THINK THAT THIS WAS DERIVED WHEN WE LOST THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTERJECT NEW IDEAS AND OUR COUNCIL RETREATS.

SO WHEN WE STARTED TO DO, I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DONE IT THE FIRST TIME, BUT I KNOW

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YEAH. SO WHEN THIS PARTICULAR POLICY CHANGE HAPPENED FOR COUNCIL, IT WAS WHEN, WHEN WE HAD A TOTALLY DIFFERENT COUNCIL COUNCILWOMAN, CAMERON PATRICK WAS ON AND CANDACE QUARLES WAS ON, AND CANDACE QUARLES WAS TRYING TO GET, WHAT IS IT WAS IT MATERNAL PAY? AND IT KEPT GETTING SLOW. WALKED BY THE CITY MANAGER AND THE MAYOR. AND SO TO ADDRESS IT, THIS CAME ABOUT WHERE WE HAD A ROBUST DISCUSSION WHERE TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS, ONE PERSON COULD COULD PROPOSE, ANOTHER PERSON COULD SECOND TO GET SOMETHING ONTO THE AGENDA SO THAT SOMETHING WOULDN'T BE SLOW WALKED, AND SO AS IT RELATES TO PROCESS, PROCESS, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS THIS SUMMER, SINCE THE SPRING WHERE WE'VE HAD A THIN, A VERY THIN, AGENDA AGENDA. LET ME JUST SAY COUNCIL AGENDA. AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS ON THIS REQUEST THAT ARE JUST SIMPLE DISCUSSIONS, NOT NOT INVOLVING A WHOLE LOT OF COUNCIL TIME, BUT IS GETTING IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL. AND SO, FOR ME TO SLOW WALK THOSE ITEMS OR TO PUT THAT IN THE ORDER OF SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE RESEARCHED OR, AND HAS TO BE DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR ME. AND SO FOR ME, YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN DOING IT, JUST IN TERMS OF, OF JUST GETTING IT ONTO JUST JUST PUT IT ON THERE, TALK ABOUT IT, MOVE ON. AND THAT'S IT FOR THE THINGS THAT REQUIRE, STAFF TIME. IT IS THE TALK ABOUT IT DURING WORK SESSION. YOU KNOW COUNCIL SAYS YEAH WE WANT MORE INFORMATION ON IT OR NO, WE DON'T WANT MORE INFORMATION ON IT. AND AT THAT TIME LEVEL SET LIKE, WELL, WHAT DOES WHAT DOES THIS LOOK LIKE. YOU KNOW IN REALITY. AND THAT'S MY EXPECTATION TO UNDERSTAND FROM CITY STAFF IS WHERE NOW DOES THIS LIVE IN THE LIGHT OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT COUNCIL SAID WAS IMPORTANT, RELATED TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN, THE BUSINESS AGENDAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT? THANK YOU. IF I MAY, MAYOR. THANK YOU. LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL COUNCIL COMMENTS.

COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER OKAY, SO THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AS THE NEWEST OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, I, I DIDN'T REALLY UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, IN ALL TRANSPARENCY, AND SO WHEN ITEMS GOT PUT ON THE LIST, MY EXPECTATION WAS THAT BECAUSE YOU SAID THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, YOU KNOW, NOT YOU, BUT JUST IN GENERAL. HERE'S THE RULES AND PROCEDURES, ONCE IT GOT ON THE LIST AND I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT THAT ITEMS THAT ARE FOR DISCUSSION ARE DIFFERENT THAN ITEMS THAT REQUIRE AN ORDINANCE. IF THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE, THAT WORK CAN THEN BE QUANTIFIED AT SOME POINT. IT DOES NOT TAKE TWO YEARS TO, YOU KNOW, DO A COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM THAT IS ONLY A DISCUSSION. SO IN MY OPINION, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE WOULD GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE WOULD KIND OF CATEGORIZE THE ITEMS IN THE LEVEL OF SEVERITY AND WHETHER IT'S A DISCUSSION OR NOT, AND THEN ALLOW THEM TO GO AHEAD AND BE HEARD SO THAT WE CAN GET FORWARD MOVING FORWARD IN THE FASHION IN WHICH WE DECIDE MOVING FORWARD RIGHT NOW, WHAT'S HAPPENING IS, IS SOME ITEMS ARE JUST SITTING AND WE HAVEN'T REALLY DISCUSSED THEM AND WE HAVE NO IDEA OF WHERE THEY ARE, WHAT STATUS ARE THEY IN. AND SO A LOT OF TIMES YOU ASK THAT QUESTION AND IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE OR YOU'RE BEATING A DEAD HORSE, BUT YOU'RE REALLY ASKING WHY IS IT ON THE AGENDA REQUEST LIST BUT NOT BEING HEARD? SO IN MY OPINION, I THINK SOME OF THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHEN WE'RE THINKING IN TERMS OF HOW TO EXHAUST THIS LIST, I YIELD BACK. THANK YOU. JOHNSON.

YES, DOCTOR. MARX, THANK YOU, I'M ACTUALLY CONFUSED AS TO WHY WE'RE AT THIS PLACE IN THE FIRST PLACE. BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A PROCESS, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW THE PROCESS. AND THE PROCESS WAS IF TWO PEOPLE AGREE, IT GOES ON THE AGENDA IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY. AGAIN, WE'RE AT THIS THIS JUNCTURE. THE OTHER THING THAT I'D LIKE TO SAY IS,

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AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY PHRASE KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. SOME THINGS WE NEED TO ATTACK RIGHT AWAY. AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND BE SPECIFIC WITH THIS. AND IT'S CALLED THE MAYOR PRO TEM DISCUSSION. WE NEED TO REALLY, REALLY HONE THAT IN BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME WAS A COMPLETE DISASTER. ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAYOR PRO TEM, IT IS A ONE YEAR APPOINTMENT. IF YOU KEEP KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD, IT WON'T BE AT A USE TO DISCUSS IT IN THIS SITUATION. SO YOU KNOW, I'M JUST REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT, DOING THINGS THE RIGHT WAY. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT IT. I THINK THAT IT SHOULD BE PLACED AT THE TOP OF THE AGENDA, BECAUSE IT IS OF ESSENCE. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION IS TIME. HOW MUCH TIME DOES IT TAKE TO DISCUSS THIS MAYOR PRO TEM THING AGAIN? IT'S ONLY A YEAR APPOINTMENT. YOU CAN'T WAIT TO DECEMBER AND DO IT. SO IF YOU GO IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER AGAIN, THEN THAT WOULD THROW IT OUT OF KILTER. SO I DO THINK TIMING SHOULD BE FACTORED INTO THAT. I ELD BACK THANK YOU DOCTOR MARX, WHAT I DO HEAR, I THINK SOMEWHAT FROM SEVERAL OF YOU THAT HAVE ECHOED THE SAME SENTIMENTS, AND I AGREE THAT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME DEGREE OF CATEGORIZATION IN TERMS OF THE, THE, THE TIME THAT IT TAKES TO GET THESE THINGS. I THINK THEY NEED TO DEFINITELY BE INITIALLY PRESENTED. BUT AGAIN, THAT THAT GOES INITIALLY PRESENTED IN THE ORDER THAT THEY ARE RECEIVED JUST TO MAINTAIN FAIRNESS OF IT. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE THOSE THINGS THAT ARE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ITEMS OF HEALTH AND SAFETY OR, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT MAY TAKE AN URGENT, THAT MAY BE URGENT IN TERMS OF ITS GENERAL NATURE TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED WHEN, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMES UP. HOWEVER, I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT WE PRESENT ON THESE, THEY DO NEED TO BE CATEGORIZED. BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND AGAIN, WHEN DO THEY COME OFF? AND I THINK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THE EXPECTATION OR THE UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT ONCE COUNCIL HAS AGREED THAT WE WANT TO HEAR MORE BACK AND STAFF STARTS WORKING ON THEM, WHICH I KNOW TWO OF THESE PARTICULAR ITEMS, THE BUSINESS SECURITY CAMERA ORDINANCE STAFF HAS ALREADY STARTED WORK ON THAT BECAUSE COUNCIL AGREED THEY WANTED TO HEAR BACK, AND THEN THE TRAFFIC CALMING POLICY IS LIKEWISE THOSE ITEMS IN MY OPINION, SHOULD HAVE COME OFF BECAUSE BUT THEY BUT AGAIN TO LOOKING AT HOW DO WE LEVEL SET TO UNDERSTAND THE TIME THAT WE'LL SEE BACK AND HOW THOSE POLICIES ARE DEVELOPED. I THINK IS THE MISSING PIECE FOR THOSE PARTICULAR ONES, BUT I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD POLICY. I THINK IT WORKS. HOWEVER, I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE, SOME UNDERSTANDING ABOUT, AGAIN, THE CATEGORIZATION OF THOSE AND THEN UNDERSTANDING WHEN THOSE ITEMS WILL COME BACK, AS WELL AS, LOOKING AT AGAIN, JUST HOW WE, HOW WE MOVE FORWARD, AND I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT ON THAT ONE. BUT LOOKING AT AGAIN, JUST MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE CATEGORIZING THEM CORRECTLY. BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT THE POLICY WE HAVE WORKS. LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. THE POLICY THAT WE HAVE WORKS HOWEVER, BUT UNDERSTANDING WHEN THEY COME OFF OF THIS LIST AND THEN HELPING COUNCIL UNDERSTAND WHEN WE WILL SEE THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS. COME BACK IN TERMS OF PRIORITIZATION AND JUST HOW THEY WILL WORK THEMSELVES THROUGH THAT PARTICULAR SYSTEM. BUT I THINK, IN FAIRNESS, TO KEEP THEM ON THE LIST IN TERMS OF WHEN THEY ARE INITIALLY BROUGHT TO COUNCIL, I THINK THAT KEEPING THEM IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER THAT WE RECEIVE THEM, HAS WORKED, AND I THINK THAT COULD CONTINUE TO WORK. SO WHAT I JUST SAID DOES NOT GO INTO IT'S NOT FACTORED INTO WILL THAT NOT BE TAKEN UNDER CONSIDERATION? WHAT I MENTIONED WAS KEEPING THEM IN THE ORDER THAT THEY ARE RECEIVE.

SO AGAIN, IT MEANS THAT THAT MY SUGGESTION WILL NOT COME INTO PLAY. DOES EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? COUNCIL. THIS IS THE QUESTION TO THE I ASSUME YOU'RE ASKING THE ENTIRE COUNCIL. OH ABSOLUTELY. WHOMEVER WANTS TO RESPOND IS PERFECTLY FINE. I CONCUR IF A IF AN ITEM IS ONLY A YEAR AND WE DON'T SEE IT OR TALK ABOUT IT FOR SIX MONTHS, YOU'VE ALREADY LOST SIX MONTHS. WHAT'S THE POINT? SO I COMPLETELY AGREE THAT SOME ITEMS DO HAVE A LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, URGENCY THAT NEEDS TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF PRECEDENCE OVER SOME ITEM THAT

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OBVIOUSLY THERE'S MORE TO DO WITH IT, THE, THE MAYOR PRO TEM THAT THAT HAVE COME UP TONIGHT.

WE'VE HAD TWO MEETINGS ALREADY BEHIND IT. HOW MANY MORE MEETINGS DO WE HOW LONG DO WE KEEP IT ON? THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S JUST A QUESTION. SO, SO I, I AGREE WITH WHAT DOCTOR MARX SAID AND WHAT THE MAYOR HAS SAID AND EVEN WHAT COUNCILWOMAN PARKER HAS SAID. THE PROCESS, THE PROCEDURE SEEMED TO WORK WITH DOING THEM IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER. THERE MIGHT BE SOME CATEGORIZING THAT NEED TO HAPPE, BUT. BUT I GET CONFUSED WHEN I LOOK AT SOMETHING AND IT SAYS, HAS IT APPEARED? AND IT SAYS YES, AND IT'S STILL HERE. SO AT WHAT POINT DOES IT REMOVE? IS IT DOES IT ONCE IT APPEARS AND RESOLVED. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT IS A RESOLUTION, APPEARS. AND THEN THERE IS AN ORDINANCE. SO, SO IN THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS HERE THAT THAT SAYS YES, THAT IS I'M ASSUMING THE YES MEANS THAT IT HAS BEEN PRESENTED. WE'VE DONE SOMETHING WITH IT, SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. SO I'M SORRY. AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT. BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHAT WAS DONE, WHEN IT WAS DONE WAS DONE AS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH MEANS THAT IT WAS NOT DONE IN PUBLIC. WHAT WAS DONE IN PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE RESOLVED IN PUBLIC, AND IT HAS NOT BEEN DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC. AND SO PART OF THE REASON THAT IT WAS ASKED TO BE BROUGHT BACK IS BECAUSE THE DISCUSSION WAS HAD BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. THE PUBLIC WANTS TO KNOW AND THE PUBLIC KEEPS COMING. WE NEED TO GIVE THEM THE ANSWER THAT THEY NEED TO HAVE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC. AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. NOW, I AGREE WITH YOU. ONE THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS, IS THAT WHAT WE HAVE FOUND, THOUGH, THROUGH ALL OF THIS, IS THAT THE PROCESS IS BROKEN IN SOME PIECES. SOME PIECES WORK, SOME PIECES DON'T. AND IF A PROCESS HAS ANY BROKEN PIECES, IT'S BROKEN. SO I YIELD BACK. BUT I DO HOPE THAT WE WOULD DECIDE THAT THIS DISCUSSION, AS WE SAID, IF IT'S IN PUBLIC, WE DID IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THAT DIDN'T RESOLVE IT. LET'S RESOLVE IT IN PUBLIC AND BE DONE WITH IT. I YIELD BACK. THANK YOU COUNSEL, THE LESS COUNSEL, PLEASE. PLEASE REMEMBER, THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM IS JUST THE PRIORITIZATION OF THIS LIST.

IT'S UNDERSTANDING AND TO SET THE ORDER AND HOW THEY ARE ADDRESSED. SO REESTABLISHING A PROCESS TO MONITOR AND MANAGE THEM, WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING INDIVIDUAL ITEMS ON THE LIST.

IT'S JUST TALKING ABOUT THE LIST IN GENERAL. SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND AS YOU FRAME YOUR COMMENTS. OKAY I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, WITH OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER AND HOW HE UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE YOU WERE HERE WHEN WE PUT IT IN PLACE, AND THEN, WHEN WE HAD THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER, WAS THERE, WAS THERE BETWEEN, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE TIME HE WAS HERE SERVING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT'S DIFFERENT HAPPENING? BECAUSE I THINK I'M KIND OF QUESTIONING WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER. RIGHT. ACTUALLY MANAGED THIS LIST HIMSELF PRIOR TO ME BECOMING DEPUTY, I MEAN, INTERIM, I HADN'T SEEN THE LIST. SO I THINK HE MANAGED IT. HE SHARED IT WITH COUNCIL, AS HE UPDATED IT AND SO WHEN I, WHEN I BECAME INTERIM, THAT'S WHEN I SAW THE LIST LIKE A MONTH OR TWO IN OR SO. SO AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE IN TERMS OF HOW HE MANAGED IT COMPARED TO NOW, BUT THE LIST THAT I HAVE IS THE LIST IS THE CONTINUATION OF THE LIST THAT HE LEFT. YOU KNOW, THAT I FOUND. I JUST BEGAN TO ADD TO THAT LIST, BASED ON THE WAY IT WAS ALREADY STRUCTURED. OKAY, I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. AND MY RECOLLECTION, RELATED TO OUR PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER AS HE MANAGED THE LIST ONCE IT GOT ON THE WORK SESSION AND THEN COUNCIL DECIDED ON WHAT THAT IS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WAS THERE, BUT WHEN WE GOT OUR REPORTS, WE DIDN'T SEE IT AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAD DISCUSSED IT AND WE HAD ALREADY MADE A DECISION ON YAY! YEAH. WE WANT MORE INFORMATION ON YOU KNOW WHAT? NO, WE'RE GOOD. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE JUST CONTINUED ON AND IT GOT ON TO AN AGENDA, YOU KNOW, ON THAT MONDAY LIKE LIKE TODAY ON ON THE MONDAY, YOU KNOW, SO THAT IT WAS ON THAT WORK SESSION SO WE CAN DISCUSS IT AND THEN KEEP MOVING ON. SO THAT'S THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION. YOU KNOW, JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY, CONTEXTUAL HISTORY. YEAH I MAYOR I APPRECIATE THAT I DON'T OPERATE THAT WAY. I WILL TELL

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YOU KNOW, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WOULD BE, APPROPRIATE, THAT WOULD WE WOULD DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD DO EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED TO DO TO BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS FOR YOU AS THE POLICY MAKERS, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT MYSELF OR STAFF TO DO HALF HEARTED TYPE OF WORK. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT AND I DON'T KEEP ANYTHING FOR MYSELF. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I OPERATE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE TEAM. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A TEAM AND YOU KNOW, OKAY, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO IS IT THAT YOU NEED TO SO FOR INSTANCE, THE AGENDA PACKET WAS THE REASON WHY IT WAS ON THERE. WELL IT WAS A REQUEST AND THEN IT WAS DISCUSSED. BUT THEN IT GOT YOU KNOW, IT GOT I DON'T KNOW, NOT TO USE A COLLOQUIALISM. IT WAS SIDELINED UNTIL THE NEW CITY MANAGER GOT IN PLACE. AND SO THAT ONE IS TECHNICALLY ADDRESSED BECAUSE YOU ADDRESSED IT. YOU KNOW, YOU MADE AN EXECUTIVE DECISION WITHOUT US HAVING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND SO FORTH, THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE THAT WAS, THERE SEEMED TO HAVE BEEN SOME QUESTIONS AND EMAILS GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THE BOARD INTERVIEWS, THE WELL, WE HAVE A DATE, SO THAT ONE IS ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, SO THOSE THINGS ARE CLEAR, YOU KNOW, SO FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE REALLY JUST KIND OF SIMPLE CONVERSATIONS FOR THE COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, TO DISCUSS. AND IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW, TO, TO NOT HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WHEN A DECISION HASN'T BEEN MADE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE JUST JUST NEED TO KIND OF CARRY FORWARD ON THOSE ITEMS. DEFINITELY THE THINGS THAT HAVE FISCAL IMPACT BECAUSE OF TIME AND STAFFING AND SO FORTH.

DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THAT FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW. BUT IF IT IS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANT US TO GO THROUGH THE LIST RIGHT NOW AND SAY CHECK MARK, CHECK MARK OR NO, NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M PRESENTING. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M PRESENTING THAT LIST TO YOU, AND I'M GOING TO DO MY DUE DILIGENCE WITH THE TEAM TO PUT TIMELINES, TO PUT COST TO PUT YOU KNOW, THINGS THAT THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. BUT AS I LOOK AT THE POLICY, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING FROM YOU AS A COUNCIL BODY THAT I'M GOING THROUGH. AND ACCORDING TO THE POLICY, I'M GOING THROUGH A LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM THROUGH THE TIMELINE THAT IT WAS RECEIVED. AND I'M NOT GETTING DIFFERENT INSTRUCTIONS ON ANYTHING ELSE.

IT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE AND YOUR PERSPECTIVE TO SAY NO. WE WANTED A FEW ITEMS OUT AND BE ADDRESSED OR CATEGORIZE THEM TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, BUT I AM I AM TELLING YOU THAT I'VE RECEIVED THIS, AND NOW I'M GOING TO PUT AN ITEM ON, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO PUT THE DETAILS THAT I NEED ON IT ON EACH ITEM TO MAKE SURE THAT I EXECUTE AND THINGS TO ME THAT THAT WHEN ITEMS SAY, REQUIRE FURTHER RESEARCH OR BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL AT A FUTURE DATE, WELL, WHEN IS THAT DATE? SO ONE ONE THING I NEED KIND OF THE YOUR YOUR THOUGHT PROCESS ON OKAY. WELL WE NEED IT IN 2 TO 3 MONTHS. AND ONE THING I WANT TO GO BACK TO STAFF AND MAKE SURE THAT STAFF SAYS YES, I WILL BE ABLE TO DELIVER IN TWO, THREE MONTHS. AND HERE'S THE DYNAMIC. SO MY JOB IS TO KIND OF MANAGE ALL ALL ALL YOU KNOW, ALL ACTS AND MAKE SURE THAT I BRING IN A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU, SO TO KIND OF COUNCIL, IF I MIGHT, KIND OF PUT A KIND OF BUTTON THIS UP A LITTLE BIT, I THINK WE'RE ALL I, I'M, I COULD BE SPECULATING, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE

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HOWEVER I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF THERE'S ROOM IF THERE'S ROOM. WELL, LET ME JUST SAY YOU SAID IT'S UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL. SO IF THERE'S ROOM FOR ME ON THE AGENDAS UPCOMING BEFORE THE RETREAT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THAT THAT WOULD BE MY PLEASURE. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO FOR ME, I'D HAVE TO AGREE WHEN I'M THINKING IN TERMS OF YOU GOT ONE MORE MEETING BEFORE THE ACTUAL RETREAT. SO THAT'S A REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THERE ARE SOME ITEMS ON THAT LIST THAT CAN GET, YOU KNOW, KNOCKED OUT IN THAT MEETING. OR ARE THEY ONLY ALLOWED TO BE IN A MONDAY MEETING? THAT'S MY QUESTION. PER COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, IN TERMS OF HOW THEY HOW WE WANTED TO FORMAT OUR MEETINGS, GENERALLY SPEAKING. AND WE CAN ALWAYS CALL A SPECIAL MEETING OR WE CAN ALWAYS REORGANIZE THINGS. BUT TO HELP THE EFFICIENCY OF THE MEETING. YES, THOSE MONDAY, THOSE THIRD MONDAY NIGHTS WERE RESERVED AND HAVE TYPICALLY BEEN RESERVED EVEN IN THE PAST FOR THE WORK SESSION DISCUSSION TOPIC ITEMS. OKAY, SO OUR EXCUSE ME, OUR REGULAR MEETINGS ARE GENERALLY RESERVED FOR ITEMS THAT THE COUNCIL IS TAKING ACTION ON. OKAY. SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THERE IS GOING TO BE NO EXCEPTION TO THAT RULE. IF THE COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH DOING THAT. I GUESS MY QUESTION IS ARE WE DOING ANY DEVIATION FROM THAT? BECAUSE IF WE WAIT TILL SEPTEMBER, THE SIXTH TO EVEN DISCUSS WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS, THEN THAT DOES KICK THINGS A LITTLE FURTHER DOWN THE LINE. COUNCIL MEMBER I THINK THAT'S A POLICY DECISION THAT YOU CAN HAVE ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT POLICY THAT I HAVE. IT IS ABOUT RECEIVING THOSE IN A CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, AND IT WOULD BE, HEARD OR REQUESTED IN THE WORK SESSION. SO IF YOU IF YOU CHOOSE OR IF YOU CHOOSE TO DEVIATE FROM THAT AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM ON REGULAR AGENDAS, THEN THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE. THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR POLICY. AND STAFF WILL ACCOMMODATE IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. I STILL WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT. AND I'LL SAY THAT BLUNTLY, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T JUST BE I CANNOT BE JUST LISTENING TO ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TO SAY, I NEED YOU TO PUT THIS ITEM AHEAD OF ANY OTHER ITEM. I GOT TO GO IN A CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, AND THAT'S AT LEAST TO PROTECT MYSELF AND THE CITY STAFF. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS. IF YOU SAY I THE CITY COUNCIL, AS A BODY, WANT TO MOVE THESE ITEMS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, THEN I RESPECT THAT AS A CITY MANAGER AND I WILL WORK THAT ACCORDINGLY. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTED THAT VERSUS ANOTHER. NO. AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. MY ONLY QUESTION IS, IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW IN ORDER TO PUT THAT POLICY IN PLACE, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM THAT WOULD REQUIRE US TO MAKE THAT DISCUSSION, TO PUT THE POLICY IN PLACE. THAT'S ANOTHER AT LEAST 2 OR 3 MONTHS, IF THAT. SO I JUST I'M, I'M A LITTLE I'M REALLY CONFUSED AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE END OF THIS LIST. WHO'S GOING TO BE THE ONE DECIDING WHAT THE CATEGORIES AR, WHO'S GOING TO YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT STILL KIND OF UNKNOWN HERE. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO CATEGORIZE IT? WHO'S GOING TO BE THAT PERSON? AND THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT STAFF IS GOING TO BRING BACK TO US. SO YOU GUYS SO THE STAFF IS GOING TO CATEGORIZE THEM. THEY'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND CATEGORIZATION. IT WILL ALL BE A RECOMMENDATION OKAY. THANK YOU.

I YIELD THAT. MR. GODFREY LET ME LET ME JUST SAY THIS AS WELL. AND THEN I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT ALONE JUST AS YOU'RE NOT TO HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TELL YOU TO PUT IT ON. SHOULDN'T HAVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER TO TELL YOU NOT TO PUT IT ON. JUST TAKE IT. EVERYTHING UNDER CONSIDERATION. IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT THAT WAY. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME COUNCIL, WE DO HAVE AN

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COUNCIL. IT IS 9:10 P.M. I'M GOING TO ASK IF COUNCIL WOULD MEET US IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM AT 915 GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. IT IS 9:53 P.M. WE ADJOURN FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 9:48 P.M. COUNCIL, THERE IS NO ACTION AS A RESULT OF OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND, IT HAS BEEN MOVED AND PROPERLY SECONDED TO ADJOURN COUNCIL. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY I, I, I ALL OPPOSED SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. WE ARE ADJOURNED AT

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