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GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND[A. REGULAR SESSION - CALL TO ORDER]
GENTLEMEN.THE TIME IS NOW 6:00 PM I WANNA WELCOME YOU OUT TO THE SOIL PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
UH, TODAY IS TUESDAY, JUNE 25TH, 2024.
WE'RE GONNA GET STARTED BY BEING LAID IN THE PLEASURE OF ALLEGIANCE BY COMMISSIONER BELL, OUR PLEASURE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC, WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
JUST AS A MATTER OF HOUSEKEEPING, LET'S DISCUSS HOW WE'LL PROCEED.
I WILL FIRST ASK THE, UH, MY FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ABOUT THE MINUTES FROM MAY 28TH, 2024, AND THEN STAFF WILL GIVE A PRESENTATION ABOUT A PRELIMINARY PLAT OF YOUR ROAD ESTATES.
BEFORE WE GET INTO THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS WHO WANT TO SPEAK UNDER CITIZEN APPEARANCES, NOT NECESSARILY PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO MOVE CITIZEN APPEARANCES BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO IF YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT TILL AFTER CITIZEN APPEARANCES.
BUT IF YOU'RE JUST HERE FOR A CITIZEN APPEARANCE ON A MATTER NOT ON THE AGENDA, WE WILL HAVE THE CITIZEN APPEARANCE.
UH, RIGHT AFTER WE'VE DISCUSSED THE PRELIMINARY PLAT, WE WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU, UH, WHETHER YOU'RE SPEAKING ON A PUBLIC HEARING OR CITIZEN APPEARANCE, IF YOU HAVE NOT ALREADY FILLED OUT A COMMENT CARD TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT IS MR. TRENT CARROLL.
UH, YOU'LL SEE HIM AND FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD IF YOU WOULD.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AND
[1. Approval of Minutes]
COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ITEM C ONE A, WHICH IS CONSIDER APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING ZONING, REGULAR MEETING OF MAY 28TH, 2024.COMMISSIONERS HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR MODIFICATIONS TO THOSE MINUTES? MR. RENO? UH, MR. CHAIR, I SENT SEVERAL COUPLE THINGS TO MR. UH, CARROLL AND HE'S GONNA ADD THEM TO THE MINUTES.
BUT ONE THING THAT I DID WANT TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AFTER THE CITIZEN'S APPEARANCES LAST MEETING, A TOPIC CAME UP AND I ASKED MR. BREWER IF HE WOULD GIVE US A DIFFERENTIAL ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT THIS NEW SENATE BILL RELATIVE TO THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE TO THE CITY IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THINGS IN THE FUTURE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT ADDED TO THE MINUTE SO THAT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT IN THE FUTURE.
OKAY? AND THAT WILL BE ADDED TO THE MINUTES.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR MODIFICATIONS? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF MAY 28TH, 2024? SO MOVED, THEN MOVED BY MR. RAVENAL.
SECOND BY MS. BREWER, ANY ON READINESS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO SAY AYE.
I'M SORRY, MS. BROOKS, WHEN DID I CALL YOU? THIS TIME? I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
I MEAN, I DO KNOW YOUR NAME, SO I APOLOGIZE.
SO, MS. BROOKS, SECONDED BY MS. BROOKS.
NOW, UH, SO MOTION MADE BY MR. RENELL, SECONDED BY MS. BROOKS, NO.
AND AGAIN, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.
THE AYES HAVE IT, UH, UNANIMOUSLY.
UH, THAT IS GONNA BE SIX ZERO.
THE NEXT THING WE'LL DO, WE'LL
[2. Consider the Preliminary Plat of Uhl Road Estates. The property is legally described as being Tract 20 in John Lewis, Abstract No. 774 (1119 Uhl Rd). The applicants and the property owners are Ronnell Johnson & Carlos Ortega. (Case No. PP-346-24).]
MOVE ON TO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT.IT'S CONSIDERED A PRELIMINARY PLAT OF YOUR ROAD ESTATES.
THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING TRACK 20 AND JOHN LEWIS ABSTRACT.
NU UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, IF YOU WOULD, UH, PLEASE, UH, KEEP YOUR DISCUSSIONS TO A MINIMUM SO THAT WE CAN PROCEED AND BE ORDERLY AGAIN, CONSIDER THE PRELIMINARY PLEDGE OF YOUR ENROLLED ESTATES.
THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING TRACK 20 IN JOHN LEWIS.
ABSTRACT NUMBER, READ MR. CARROLL, IF YOU NEED TO, IF Y'ALL CAN STEP OUTSIDE.
UH, ABSTRACT NUMBER IS 7 7 4 1 1 1 9 YOUR ROAD.
THIS, THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNERS ARE RONELL JOHNSON AND CARLOS ORTEGA.
AND THIS IS CASE NUMBER PP DASH 3 4 4 DASH TWO THREE.
GOOD EVENING, MS. JORDAN WILLIAMS. MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT, PLEASE? GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS.
UM, NUMBER PPP DASH 3 46 DASH 24 IS A 18 LOT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON YU ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT SOUTHEAST CORNER OF EAST PARKVILLE AND SOUTH YU ROAD IS UNDER PD 1 98 AND IT'S THE BASE OF SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT.
HERE IS THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND STAFF.
RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR YOUR ROAD ESTATES.
IF THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
THANK YOU MS. JORDAN WILLIAMS. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
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A MOTION TO APPROVE CASE NUMBER PP DASH 3 4 4 DASH 23.IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. BELL? ANY UNDER READINESS? ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO SAY AYE.
AND THE AYES HAVE IT UNANIMOUSLY.
[F. CITIZEN APPEARANCES The Planning and Zoning Commission invites citizens to address the Commissioners on any topic not already scheduled for Public Hearing. Citizens wishing to speak should complete a "Citizen Comment Card" and return it to the table prior to the meeting. In accordance with the Texas Open Meetings Act, the Planning and Zoning Commission cannot take action on items not listed on the agenda. However, your concerns may be addressed by City Staff, placed on a future agenda, or responded to by some other course. Anyone desiring to speak on an item scheduled for a Public Hearing is requested to hold their comments until the Public Hearing on that item]
AND GENTLEMEN, AS I SAID, WE'RE GONNA MOVE NOW CITIZEN APPEARANCES, UH, BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING.SO AGAIN, IF YOU ARE TO HERE TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING, THAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER CITIZEN APPEARANCE.
UH, I'VE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ASSISTED APPEARANCES, AND SO THEREFORE WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND HEAR YOU NOW.
EACH INDIVIDUAL WILL HAVE UP TO THREE MINUTES, UH, TO LET THEIR VOICE BE HEARD.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA ITEM.
UH, WE CANNOT NECESSARILY ENGAGE IN DISCUSSION ON THE AGENDA ITEM, UH, ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN HEAR YOU.
UH, WE JUST ASK YOU TO COME FORWARD.
UH, YOU DO NOT HAVE TO STATE YOUR ADDRESS.
JUST THE CITY OF RE RESIDENCE AND IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD.
SO RIGHT NOW I HAVE IN MY HAND FIVE COMMENT CARDS.
I KNOW THERE MAY BE MORE TO COME, BUT AT THIS TIME I'M GONNA, I'LL CALL UPON MS. VICKY LLOYD.
IS MS. VICKY LLOYD HERE? OKAY, I'M GONNA PUT THIS TO THE SIDE.
MS. LLOYD, DO YOU WANNA COME FORWARD AND SPEAK? YES, PLEASE.
IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
VICKY R LLOYD, YOU SAID CITY DESOTO? YEAH, JUST CITY.
AND I CAME AND I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER CONCERNS CITIZENS HERE REGARDING THE BATTERY LITHIUM PLANT THAT SET THAT, UH, IS SUPPOSED TO BE BEING REVIEWED.
I GUESS NOTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE AT THIS POINT, BUT I WOULD, UH, ONE THINGS THAT, UH, CONSIDERATION BEFORE THEY EVEN PROCEED OR WHATEVER IS, YOU KNOW, FURTHER RESEARCHED INTO THE TYPES OF PLANT, UH, SIMILAR TYPE OF SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, THAT'S A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I DON'T LIVE DIRECTLY THERE, BUT I LIVE IN LINE IN TERMS OF ANY WINDS THAT MAY BLOW OR WHATEVER.
SO EVEN THOUGH IT'S IN A PARTICULAR ZONE, IT'S GONNA AFFECT THE WHOLE CITY.
AND SO, UM, FOR THEM TO PUT OR EVEN CONSIDER PUTTING A PLANT NEXT TO OUR CHILDREN, UH, I CAN ONLY REMEMBER THINGS AS FAR AS, UH, ABOUT THREE MINUTES UP, UH, WEST DALLAS AND CADILLAC HEIGHTS AND PLACES LIKE THAT WHERE THEY STUCK PLANTS IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITY THAT IS RESIDENTIAL AREA ALL THE WAY AROUND THERE.
AND SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA PUT A PLANT THERE.
THERE'S PLENTY OF PLACES THAT, UH, PLANTS LIKE THAT CAN GO OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY, BUT THAT SMACK DAB IN THE MIDDLE OF DESOTO NEXT TO OUR HIGH SCHOOL, OUR CHILDREN, AND WE'RE TALKING DECADES OF AIR POLLUTION AND STUFF THAT IT'S GOING TO SEEP OUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY SAY.
AND SO I JUST, UH, CONSIDER THAT MAYBE WE WOULD DO FURTHER REVIEW BEFORE WE EVEN THINK ABOUT LETTING, UH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT INTO OUR COMMUNITY.
NEXT COURT I HAVE IS FOR KANER RUBEN.
MR. RUBEN, IF YOU COME FORWARD, JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND STATE OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ON THE SAME ISSUE.
UH, OBVIOUSLY THEY HAVEN'T FORMALLY SUBMITTED ANYTHING YET, BUT, UM, WENT TO THEIR PRESENTATION, HAD A, UH, DISCUSSION WITH THEM ABOUT IT.
UH, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN, UH, INFORMATION ON THEIR OWN SLIDE DECK BETWEEN ONE AND 2% OF ALL THE LITHIUM ION, UH, STORAGE BATTERY PLANTS IN THE WORLD CATCH ON FIRE EVERY YEAR, WHICH IS MIND BOGGLING TO TO THINK ABOUT WHEN IT HAPPENS.
THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS JUST LET IT BURN AND JUST HAVE EVERYONE SHELTER IN PLACE.
UM, WHEN YOU PUT WATER ON, UH, A LITHIUM ION PLANT, IT, IT SUPPLIES ITS OWN OXYGEN.
SO IT'LL NOT ONLY CONTINUE TO BURN, BUT IT, IT ACTUALLY MAKES IT WORSE.
SO IT, IT'S, IT'S A, A COMPLETE DISASTER.
UM, YOU COULD, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVE BASICALLY THE WHOLE TOWN GET EVACUATED.
YOU COULD HAVE THE TOWN BECOME UNLIVABLE, UM, IF WATER IS USED ON IT, IF IT'S GONNA GET INTO THE DRINKING WATER.
UM, I MEAN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE ALL LIVE HERE AND, AND SAYING THAT, WELL, FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS OR SO, WE SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE'S READY TO SHELTER IN PLACE.
IF THERE'S EVER A BATTERY FIRE IS
UM, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT THEIR, THEIR RECOMMENDATION IS.
UM, IT'S NOT VERY MUCH, UH, OF A BOON TO THE CITY.
THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE MAKING PART OF THE AREA INTO A PARK.
SO YOU CAN HAVE A, A PARK NEXT TO A POTENTIAL
UM, AND THEN WE'RE GONNA GET TWO SCHOLARSHIPS OF $5,000 A YEAR AND SOME TAX REVENUE.
THE, THE BENEFIT IS COMPLETELY
UM, THERE ARE NO LONG-TERM STUDIES OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH
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ALL OF THE, THE, UM, THE, THE PRODUCTS OF THOSE FIRES.UM, THEY JUST SAY, WELL, IT DISSIPATES AND IF FEW, UM, ARE RIGHT NEXT TO IT, YOU ONLY HAVE TO BE, UH, SO FAR BACK.
I FORGOT THE EXACT DISTANCE TO, TO NOT BREATHE IN THE FUMES IMMEDIATELY.
AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ANSWER WHEN I ASKED THEM.
WHAT ARE THE LONG TERM, UH, WHAT ARE THE LONG TERM STUDIES OR, OR HAZARDS OF HAVING ANY OF THESE CHEMICALS IN THE AREA.
UM, THEORETICALLY WITH NORMAL OPERATION, IT'S JUST LIKE YOUR CELL PHONE, BUT AGAIN, ONE TO 2% A YEAR IN THE WORLD HAVE BEEN GOING UP IN FLAMES.
SO IT'S NOT UP FOR THE AGENDA YET, BUT HOPEFULLY, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT DOES COME UP, IT, IT GETS REJECTED.
YOU ARE WELCOME, MS. ANNA WILLIAMS. MS. ANNA WILLIAMS, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS ANNA WILLIAMS DESOTA, TEXAS.
UM, MY SPEECH ON HERE IS SO MUCH TO LOVE.
WE HAVE IT ON WASTE BASKETS, WE HAVE IT ON EVERYTHING, BUT WE CERTAINLY DON'T LOVE THE CHILDREN OF DESOTA.
THE AAA EXPERIENCE THAT DR. ROGERS IS TRYING TO UPHELD THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO KEEP IT GOING.
BUT IT MEANS THAT WE CERTAINLY WANT TO DESTROY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, SEEMS LIKE THE GOAL FOR THE, UH, ION BATTERIES, YOU KNOW, POLLUTION, LIKE THE YOUNG MAN WAS SAYING, DESTRUCTION.
I GREW UP IN THE EAST TEXAS, CLOSE TO A PLANT.
UH, AND A LOT OF TIMES WE HAD SO MANY THINGS GOING ON AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, WHY WOULD ANYBODY EVEN WANT TO LET A PERSON COME IN? KNOW THAT BATTERIES OVER THERE BY WHERE WE, UH, PUT THE, UM, UM, WHAT AM I, I'M SORRY.
I'M, I'M JUST REALLY TICKED OFF.
UM,
IN 2000 THERE WAS A LADY, HER NAME WAS ERIN BROKOVICH, AND SHE TALKED ABOUT THE POLLUTION LIKE THIS ALSO ON CSP SPAN, THIS PAST WEEKEND, TRAVIS SMILEY HAD A WHOLE PROGRAM ON, UH, COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.
THE, WHEN IT'S THE MAJORITY OF COMMUNITIES OF OF COLOR, WE PUT IN WHATEVER THEY WANT US TO PUT IN.
BUT THAT IS NOT RIGHT AND WE'RE NOT GONNA STAND FOR IT.
YOU ALSO WANT THE FIRE FIREMEN TO BE, UH, TRAINED BY THEM.
OH YEAH, THAT'S LIKE THE DOG WAGON, THE TAIL.
WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE ON UNIFORMS, BUT THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO BE ILL.
AND LIKE THE YOUNG MAN SAID, THIS CITY WILL HAVE TO MOVE.
YOU NEED AT LEAST 100 TO 200 ACRES OF LAND.
WE 15 ACRES OF LAND IS NO LAND.
WE HAVE LAND IN EAST TEXAS, 15 ACRES OF LAND, AND YOU ARE GONNA PLANT THESE BATTERIES IN THE 15 ACRES.
WELL, IT'S GOING TO BE BLOWN UP THE WHOLE CITY.
AND WE'RE FIGHTING RIGHT NOW, DOC, FOR DR. ROGERS TO COME UP WITH A PLAN.
THIS IS A LADY THAT, UH, MARY MORRIS AND I STAYED IN THE CAR TILL TWO 30 IN THE MORNING TO MAKE SURE THAT DR. ROGERS WAS THE SUPERINTENDENT IN THIS SCHOOL DISTRICT.
'CAUSE WE WEREN'T GOING TO ALLOW ANYBODY ELSE.
WE WOULD BOYCOTT THAT SCHOOL DISTRICT.
YOU'RE PUTTING ALL LISTS ON HER, YOU'RE PUTTING IT ALL ON PARENTS, AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN YOU THINK WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPY ABOUT IT.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU, IF YOU HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE, IF YOU HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE.
I BELIEVE THE LAST NAME IS PRIDE.
AND SIR, IF YOU COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME.
I AM A, UH, RESIDENT OF DESOTO.
UM, SO THE LITHIUM, I, FIRST OF ALL, I WANNA SAY I AM PRO GREEN ENERGY, YOU KNOW, FOR ENERGY, I HAVE SOLAR PANELS, I HAVE BATTERIES.
BUT THIS, THIS IS RIGHT BY MY HOUSE.
I STAY IN ELLISON RANCH, THEY WANNA PUT THIS KIDS WALK THROUGH THERE.
THERE'S A PATH COMING FROM MY NEIGHBORHOOD GOING TO THE HIGH SCHOOL THAT KIDS WALKED IN LITHIA, AND I AM BATTERIES.
I'M GONNA READ A QUOTE FROM THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE FOR OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HAZARD.
UH, THEY SAID LITHIUM ION BATTERIES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE PRESSURIZED EXPLOSIONS WITHIN EXPLOSION PROOF OR FLAME PROOF BATTERY EX EXPLOSIONS.
SO THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE PUTTING, THEY HAVE THESE SAFETY MEASURES IN PLACE, BUT WE HAVE INSTITUTES WHO HAVE DONE DECADES OF STUDIES ON THIS.
THIS STUFF HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE THE LATE SEVENTIES.
THIS, I MEAN, I WORK IN TECHNOLOGY.
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KNOW WHAT IT IS.NO, THESE ARE STILL DEVELOPING TECHNOLOGIES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
THERE WAS A FIRE THAT HAPPENED IN ARIZONA IN 2019 WHERE FOUR FIREMEN WHO WERE TRAINED IN HANDLING HAZARDOUS MATERIAL WERE SEVERELY INJURED.
WHEN YOU MIX LITHIUM, I, UH, ION WITH WATER, IT CREATES A HYDROGEN GAS THAT ONE NOBODY CAN SEE.
AND LIKE I SAID, MOST OF THESE FIRES, IF YOU GO LOOK, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN THERE IS A FIRE, THE ANSWER IS TO SIMPLY JUST LET IT BURN.
YOU HAVE THIS POLLUTION THAT'S GOING ON.
I AM VEHEMENTLY OPPOSED TO THIS.
AND I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT ON THE AGENDA.
BUT I HOPE THAT WHEN IT COMES UP TO THE AGENDA THAT WE REALLY LOOK AT THIS.
I ALSO, I DON'T LIKE THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DOING BUSINESS.
LIKE, IF YOU WANT TO COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY, YOU NEED TO BE HAVING, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC FORUMS FOR PEOPLE TO COME.
ONLY REASON MOST OF THESE PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE DRIVING AROUND OUR COMMUNITIES PASSING OUT FLYERS, AND THEN WE WENT ON THE COMMUNITY FACEBOOK PAGE AND WE PUT THAT OUT THERE.
THIS GROUP IS REAL BEING REAL DECEITFUL ON HOW THEY'RE DOING IT.
SO THEY HAD THE MEETING ON THE 18TH DURING THE TIME OF OUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND WHEN I ASKED, WHY ARE YOU HAVING THIS MEETING DURING THE TIME OF OUR CITY COUNCIL? AND I GET IT, THAT IT IS THEIR PREROGATIVE TO DO THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, YOU DON'T WANT, I SEE THE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBERS TO SEE HOW MANY CITIZENS SHOWED UP.
THEY, THEY, THEY DIDN'T ANTICIPATE THE CROWD THAT WAS GONNA SHOW UP.
THEY WERE, WHEN, WHEN THEY SHOWED, SAW HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE THERE, THEY WERE OVERWHELMED.
THEY HAD TO CHANGE THEIR STRATEGY ON HOW THEY WERE GONNA DO THIS.
I KNOW THEY'VE BEEN MEETING WITH GROUPS ALREADY.
I KNOW THEY MET WITH THE PTA AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND THEY'RE DOING ALL THIS OTHER STUFF, BUT THE WAY THEY'RE GOING ABOUT DOING BUSINESS, I, I, UH, BEEN WORKING IN CORPORATE AMERICA.
AND WHEN YOU GO THROUGH INTERVIEWS, WE DO BEHAVIORAL INTERVIEWS BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT YOU DID IN THE PAST IS A GOOD INDICATION OF WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO IN THE FUTURE.
AND THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DOING THIS STUFF NOW IS INDICATING TO US THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT US.
AND I KNOW THEY SAY, YEAH, THIS IS GOING TO BE BENEFIT TO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT HOW YOU'RE GONNA MAKE MULTI, MULTI BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF THIS.
WHAT DO, HOW DOES THAT COME BACK TO OUR COMMUNITY? IT DOESN'T.
FIVE OU TWO $5,000 SCHOLARSHIPS.
THIS IS JUST THEM DOING BUSINESS AND I AM LY OPPOSED TO IT.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IF YOU HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE, PLEASE.
NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS MS. DEBORAH PERKINS.
MS. DEBORAH PERKINS, IF YOU WANNA COME FORWARD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS DEBORAH PERKINS AND I AM A, A MEMBER OF DESOTO.
UH, I LIVE IN VERY, VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE PROPOSED SPOT OF THIS STORAGE CAMP.
AND I'M GONNA TRY TO SPEAK ON OTHER THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVEN'T SPOKE ON.
UM, BEING AFRICAN AMERICAN, WE ARE USED TO BEING REDLINED IN THE FINANCIAL INDUSTRY.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THIS PLANT, THERE ARE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ASK.
FIRST OF ALL, AND FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, WILL WE BE ABLE TO INSURE OUR HOMES? ARE WE GONNA BE STUCK WITH HOMES THAT WE CAN NO LONGER SELL IF WE WANT TO MOVE? THOSE ARE VERY IMPACTFUL INFORMATION WHEN YOU CONSIDER MOST MORTGAGES ARE 20 TO 30 YEARS IN LENGTH.
POINT TWO, WE CAN'T SEE EVERYTHING.
BUT WHEN YOU BUILD THAT STORAGE PLANT, YOU'RE GONNA CRACK THE EARTH.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME OUT OF THAT, THAT'S GOING TO FLOW THROUGH THE SOIL.
THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT OUR DRINKING WATER.
LET'S TALK ABOUT BIRTH DEFECTS.
WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS POINT, AND I DON'T KNOW OF ANY STUDY THAT'S BEEN DONE TO SHOW WHAT TYPE OF ILLNESSES THAT ARE ALREADY OUT THERE, BUT LET'S TAKE SOME COMMON ONES.
ANY TYPE OF RESPIRATORY DISEASE, LET'S TALK ABOUT ASTHMA.
WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UM, CANCERS.
THERE NEEDS TO BE A LONG RANGE STUDY DONE BEFORE THIS IS EVEN A CONSIDERATION BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
WHO ARE THEY? WHAT IS THEIR EXPERTISE? WHAT MAKES, IF WE WANTED TO GO THAT ROUTE, WHAT MAKES THEM THE CHOICE? ARE THERE OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE VY TO DO THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR IS THIS A ONE TRICK PONY? WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY BE EDUCATED TO SIT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON,
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BUT WE ARE DEFINITELY SETTING OURSELVES UP FOR CATASTROPHIC.ONE LAST POINT, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE HAD A FIRE ON PARKVILLE.
WE HAD TO EVACUATE OUR HOMES AND THAT WAS A SIMPLE TANKER FIRE.
AND AS THE GENTLEMAN SPOKE EARLIER, YOU HAD TO LET LET IT BURN OUT.
WE CAN'T STAY IN OUR HOMES WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO BURN OUT.
NUMBER TWO, WHAT WILL BE THE COMEBACK TO, WILL WE EVEN HAVE AN INSURANCE POLICY TO RESTORE OUR HOMES? I EMPLOY THE CITY COUNCIL, THE ZONING COMMITTEE AND WHOEVER ELSE NECESSARY TO REALLY DO THE STUDIES ON THIS.
ALRIGHT? AND IF IT'S LEGIT, THEN DO THAT AND, AND PRESENT THE INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THIS MANY PEOPLE HAVE EVER SHOWN UP.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I KNOW I'M SOUNDING LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT PLEASE, PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE.
NEXT INDIVID INDIVIDUAL, UM, WHO WANTS TO SPEAK IS MS. REGINA SAMUEL.
MS. REGINA SAMUEL, YOU COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU SEAT OF RESIDENCE.
I'M A CITIZEN OF DESOTO, TEXAS.
UM, I'M, I, I'M NOT A ADVOCATE FOR BEING A DEAD HORSE, BUT I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING SIMILAR TO, UH, THE CITIZENS PRIOR TO ME.
UM, I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU GUYS AND LADIES TO CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING.
UM, THINGS WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING ANY KIND OF LITHIUM IION BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY, WE HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE HAZARDS THAT ARE PRESENT WITH THIS.
AND I AM ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THE NFPA, WHICH IS THE NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION AND FM GLOBAL, WHICH IS FACTORY MUTUAL GLOBAL.
I'M IN THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY AND THESE ARE VERY, VERY, UH, HEAVILY SOUGHT AFTER ORGANIZATIONS IN MY INDUSTRY THAT RESEARCH AND DEVELOP HAZARDS AND STANDARDS AND BEST PRACTICES AROUND THESE ISSUES.
I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THESE ORGANIZATIONS DON'T EVEN HAVE A BEST STANDARD OF PRACTICE.
THEY HAVE AN ONGOING COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW DEVELOPING HAZARDS FOR THIS PARTICULAR EXPOSURE.
AND I AM JUST ASKING YOU TO CONSIDER THAT THIS HAZARD IS UNCONTROLLABLE.
JUST AS MY, THOSE CITIZENS PRIOR TO ME STATED, WHEN A FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOWS UP IN A COMMERCIAL CAPACITY AT A LOCATION THAT HAS LITHIUM ION BATTERY STORAGE, THEY HAVE TO IMPLEMENT WHAT THEY CALL SURROUND AND DROWN.
VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT HAPPENED ON PARKVILLE A FEW WEEKS AGO, UM, WHERE THE TANKER TRUCK, UH, CAUGHT FIRE.
THEY CANNOT RISK THEIR LIVES OR THE LIVES OF, OF THESE INDIVIDUALS TO SEND THEM IN.
THEY JUST HAVE TO SURROUND AND DROWN.
I'D ALSO LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THE LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT'S CAPACITY.
OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT HERE IN DESOTO IS A PPC TWO, THAT'S PUBLIC PROTECTION CLASS.
THERE ARE PPC TWO, WHICH IS KINDA GOOD WHEN YOU'RE RATING FOR INSURANCE.
HOWEVER, I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THAT FOR LIKE THAT TANKER TRUCK.
A FEW, A FEW WEEKS AGO THEY HAD TO GET HELP FROM THE CEDAR HILL FIRE DEPARTMENT AND ALSO THE DUNCANVILLE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I WANT US TO CONSIDER IF OUR LOCAL FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS CAPACITY TO EVEN CONTROL OR MANAGE SUCH A FIRE THAT COULD ERUPT FROM A LITHIUM ION BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY.
SO I JUST ASK, DID YOU CONSIDER THESE THINGS, UM, IN YOUR JUDGMENT? THANK YOU.
THANK YOU LADIES, GENTLEMEN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU READ THIS NAME OKAY? IF I HAPPEN TO BUTCHER THE NEXT NAME? IT IS NOT ON PURPOSE.
THE FIRST NAME IS ROBIN, I BELIEVE, AND LAST NAME IS BACK.
OH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM.
IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME.
I AM ROBIN FME, A RESIDENT OF DESOTO, TEXAS AND LIKE MY NEIGHBORS, I AM HERE FOR THE SAME REASON.
I FIND IT VERY INTERESTING THAT DURING THE PRESENTATION ON,
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UH, THE 18TH WHERE THEY CAME IN AND THEY WERE VERY MATTER OF FACT IN THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY SPOKEN WITH YOU ALL ABOUT.MAYBE NOT YOU ALL BUT SOMEONE IN THE CITY THEY'VE HAD SOME COMMUNICATION WITH AND THEIR LITERATURE READS AS IF IT IS ALREADY A DONE DEAL, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE SO, YOU KNOW, CONCERNED BECAUSE HOW COULD IT BE A DONE DEAL AND THEY'RE WRITING IT AS FACT THAT WAS THE FIRST CONCERN.
SECOND OF ALL, THEY SAY THAT THEY DO HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
THEY HAVE THE FIRST RIGHTS TO PURCHASE, WHICH MEANS THAT IF SOMEHOW THEY HAPPEN TO SLIP THROUGH, THEY'VE ALREADY MADE A DEAL WITH THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND THEY HAVE GOTTEN THAT OWNER TO AGREE TO GIVE THEM RIGHTS TO SHARE WITH THE CITY.
THE EASEMENT THEY MADE IT SOUND LIKE THE CITY HAS BEEN TRYING FOR YEARS TO GET WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND GET THE RIGHTS OR BUY THE RIGHTS TO THE EASEMENT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
BUT IF YOU LISTEN TO THEM, THEY ARE FLIPPING THE WAY THAT THEY NORMALLY WOULD DO THINGS.
NORMALLY THEY WOULD COME TO THE CITY, CITY COUNCIL, WHOEVER, BUT NOW THEY'RE COMING TO THE CITIZENS FIRST TRYING TO ENGAGE US AND GET OUR CONSENT SO THAT WHEN THEY COME HERE IS SO, BUT WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AND SOMEHOW AT SOME POINT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO BE ABLE TO SAY NO AND IT NOT BE A DECISION THAT IS OUT OF OUR HANDS AS THE CITIZENS BECAUSE WE WORK IN CONCERT TOGETHER, HOPEFULLY.
AND THAT YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE ON BOARD WITH SUCH A THING.
BECAUSE ACCORDING TO THEM, THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THE PROCESSES AND THAT IS WHAT I WANTED TO BE SURE THAT WE EXPRESSED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE OTHER INFORMATION.
THEY OWN THE FIRST RIGHT OF PURCHASE.
THEY HAVE MADE AGREEMENT FOR THE EASEMENT IF THE CITY WANTS THAT AND WHATEVER ELSE WE DON'T KNOW.
THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
NEXT UP IS MR. PRESTON GILSTRAP.
MR. GILSTRAP, YOU'LL COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
WHEN I ENDED MY TERM LAST YEAR ON THIS PANEL, THE ZONING COMMISSION, I DIDN'T COME TO THE LAST THING BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO COME AND CRY BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD DONE SOME GOOD WORK IN THIS CITY, BUT THIS MESS RIGHT HERE.
SO LET ME GET IT DONE AND SAY IT RIGHT QUICK.
HOW COME PEOPLE COME TO OUR COMMUNITY WANT TO PUT STUFF IN OUR COMMUNITY? THEY DON'T LIVE HERE.
NEXT TO THEY, HOW DON'T LET 'EM COME IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PLAYING WITH US.
NOW, IF I HAD THE AUTHORITY, I PUT 'EM ALL IN JAIL FOR, FOR FRAUD.
MM-HMM,
SO YESTERDAY I STARTED INVESTIGATING AND I STARTED WRITING STUFF AND TYPING STUFF 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA COME IN HERE AND WASTE Y'ALLS TIME.
BUT THEN THIS MORNING I GET UP AND A STRANGE THING HAPPENED IN, UH, A PLACE CALLED CHINA JUST YESTERDAY.
THEY HAD A LITHIUM ION BATTERY PLANT FIRE KILLED.
LEMME GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
THEY SAID THAT WASN'T TOO BAD BECAUSE THEY HAD HEROIN A LONG TIME.
ALRIGHT LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE LET HIM SPEAK WITHOUT, WITHOUT INTERRUPTED.
AND 1729 WAS KILLED AT A PLANT IN 2008 40 IN 2018 50.
NOW WAIT A MINUTE, I THINK THAT'S CALLED MURDER.
IF YOU KNOW YOU GOT A PRODUCT THAT'S NOT SAFE AND YOU CANNOT CONTAIN IT AND YOU CANNOT MITIGATE IT AND YOU DO IT, THAT'S CALLED
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A A A A CARELESSNESS NEGLECT.AND, AND, AND CRIMINAL DID NEGLECT AND I THINK PEOPLE LIKE THAT OUGHT TO GO TO JAIL.
WELL, THAT'S IN SOUTH KOREA AND CHINA.
WHAT THEY GOING TO DO HERE? THEY PUT THAT, THAT PLANT HERE.
Y'ALL AIN'T GONNA GET NO INSURANCE.
INSURANCE RATES IS ALREADY HIGH.
THEY AIN'T GONNA GIVE US NO INSURANCE.
WHO GOING TO PAY FOR THE DAMAGES? SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN.
THE LAST FIRE THEY HAD TOOK 17 DAYS FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT JUST TO SIT THERE AND WAIT FOR IT TO BURN OUT.
THE ONE IN HERE, THEY ANTICIPATING 14 DAYS.
WHAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT GOING TO DO? WE AIN'T GONNA HAVE NO FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY GONNA ALL BE DOWN AT THE FIRE.
Y'ALL, Y'ALL NEED TO STOP THIS.
DON'T LET PEOPLE COME IN HERE PLAYING WITH US.
DON'T LET 'EM COME IN HERE PLAYING WITH US.
WE DONE CHANGE RULES AND STUFF.
THEY WON'T HAVE I THIS GETS OFF.
I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T LIKE THE MENACE ANYWAY, BUT I'M GONNA TELL YOU THIS.
DON'T Y'ALL LET PLAY WITH Y YEAH.
DON'T Y'ALL LET PLAY WITH, ALRIGHT.
NOW BE BEFORE WE MOVE ON, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE, BEFORE WE MOVE ON, UH, TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, I DO WANNA SAY THIS, UH, TOTALLY UNRELATED TO THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING NOW, BUT MR. GILSTRAP MENTIONED THIS DURING HIS COMMENTS.
UH, MR. GILSTRAP DID SERVE AS A MEMBER OF THE PLAN ZONING COMMISSION AND WHEN HIS TERM ENDED, WE DID NOT GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO FORMALLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
SO THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ME ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE COMMISSION.
THANK YOU MR. GIL, FOR YOUR SERVICE.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT SPEAKER, WHICH IS, UH, TRACY NELSON.
ALRIGHT, MS. NELSON, DO YOU COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME? YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT IN ADDITION TO THE RESIDENTS WHO, UH, JOINED US HERE TONIGHT, UH, IN OPPOSITION OF VESPER'S PROPOSAL, WE HAVE OVER 300 ONLINE SIGNATURES AND WE HAVEN'T TALLIED THE, UH, PAPER SIGNATURES SAYING NO TO THIS PRO, THIS PROPOSAL.
UM, I WAS GONNA TALK ABOUT THE FIRES, UH, BUT MR. GILSTRAP TOUCHED ON THAT.
ONE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD ABOUT FIRES AND LITHIUM ION BATTERIES IS THAT WHEN THEY'RE BURNING, THEY PRODUCE OXYGEN SO THEY CAN REIGNITE AFTER THE FIRE'S BEEN PUT OUT, THEY CAN REIGNITE MINUTES, DAYS, OR MONTHS AFTER THE FIRE HAS BEEN EXTINGUISHED.
SO THAT IS WHY THE, THE FIRE IN OTE BESA TOOK SO LONG, IT KEPT REIGNITING.
UM, I, SINCE THE, THE, THE SUBJECT OF THE FIRES HAVE BEEN TOUCHED ON, I WILL TOUCH ON VESPER AND WHAT THEIR MO IS.
I DID RESEARCH ON, UH, VESPER AND THEY HAVE SIX OTHER, I STOPPED AT SIX OTHER SUCH PROPOSALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
AND WHAT THEIR MO IS, IS TO MEET WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OFFER MONEY TO, UH, ORGANIZATIONS IN THE, LIKE THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR THEY'LL GIVE MONEY TO ONE NONPROFIT, UM, ORGANIZATION.
UM, THEY'VE ALSO, IN MY CANVASSING, UH, WHEN THIS FIRST STARTED, I LEARNED THAT THEY WERE OFFERING $20,000 TO THE, UH, RESIDENTS OF DESOTO.
UM, AND I CON THEY CONFIRMED THAT AT THE SIX 18 MEETING, THEY SAID THAT IT'S A GOOD NEIGHBOR, UM, OFFER THAT THEY WILL OFFER FOLKS WHO PERCEIVE A LOSS.
THAT'S YOU, YOU'RE OFFERING $20,000.
THAT DOESN'T EVEN COVER THE LOSS THAT A RESIDENT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD, YOU KNOW, OCCUR, INCUR.
AND SO, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T, VESPER LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE ONLY BEEN, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE JUMPED INTO THE LITHIUM ION SCENE.
THEY, THEY PRIMARILY HAVE WORKED, UH, WITH SOLAR, UM, RENEWABLES.
AND SO THEY HAVE JUMPED ON THIS.
THEY'VE GONE ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UM, ONE OF WHICH, UH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT BECAUSE, UH, IT IS IN THE CITY OF, I BELIEVE IT'S IN CALIFORNIA.
AND I JUST WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WHAT THE CONNECTION IS BETWEEN, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THERE'S THIS, THERE'S AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE NATIONAL LEAGUE
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OF CITIES AND SOME OF OUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE RECENTLY GOTTEN APPOINTMENTS IN THAT ORGANIZATION.AND I'M NOT SAYING THERE'S ANYTHING NEFARIOUS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE, THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THAT ORGANIZATION MADE THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THESE APPOINTMENTS AND THEY ALSO HAVE A PROPOSAL IN THEIR TOWN FOR THIS SAME KIND OF THING.
AND I, YOU KNOW, I I WE NEED TO BE ETHICAL THAT THIS IS OUR CHILDREN'S LIVES, OUR PROPERTY VALUES, OUR INVESTMENTS AT STAKE.
WE DON'T NEED TO BE THROWN TO THE WOLVES FOR, FOR MONEY.
ALRIGHT? YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT.
OH, NO, THAT'S, I WANT YOU TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHT.
ALRIGHT, THAT'S IT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
NEXT INDIVIDUAL, UH, IS MS. DONNA ANDERSON.
MS. ANDERSON, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REGISTER A NO VOTE.
I APPRECIATE EVERYONE THAT HAS SPOKEN.
I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO IT, BUT THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING.
NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS O'DONNELL KING.
MR. KING, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, SEE THE RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I'M A RESIDENT OF DISORDER FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS.
AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK ON REGARD, IF YOU WANT AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT REALLY THIS PLANT WOULD DO.
LOOK AT WEST TOWER, WEST DOW HAD TO SMT IT AND THEY STILL DEALING WITH THE LEAD CONTAMINATION THAT LEAKS OUT INTO THE SOIL.
UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW WE EVEN CAME TO THIS CONCEPT TO SAY, HEY, WE GOING TO HAVE THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
I DON'T, I I'M REALLY PUZZLED ABOUT IT.
WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT IT, I SAID, WHAT THIS IS, THIS IS NOT US.
WE ALREADY DEALING WITH WAREHOUSES, TRUCKS TYING UP THE ROAD.
WE, WE DEALING WITH THAT ALREADY.
AND I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU GOING TO HAVE A FUEL TANK OR TRUCK DRIVING DOWN THE RESIDENT NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN BEEN, THAT'S A HAZARD WASTE.
THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SIGN UP THERE SAYING, HEY, NO TRUCK, NO HAZARDS WASTE THROUGH THERE.
THE GUY ON THE FREEWAY, THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
MY, MY DAUGHTER GRADUATED FROM DESOTO HIGH HOPING THAT SHE MIGHT COME BACK AND KNOW RESIDENCE, BUT FOR RIGHT NOW, THIS IS, THIS IS CRAZY.
I NEVER UNDERSTOOD HOW THIS EVEN CAME UP, CAUGHT THE PLATE, ESPECIALLY YOU GOT A BIG OLD EXAMPLE OF WEST DALLAS, THEN YOU JUST HEARD FROM KOREA.
THESE, THESE BATTERIES CATCH ON FIRE IN THE CARS.
IF WATER HITS IT, IT'S ON FIRE.
SO WHEN IT DRAIN OUT, THIS MEANS IT'S GOING TO GET INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM.
PLEASE THINK WE ARE, WE ARE PLANNING STUFF THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT OR TRYING TO.
NEXT INDIVIDUAL, I BELIEVE IS RORY EDWARDS.
YOUR NAME IS THAT, HUH? RENEE? YEAH, RENEE EDWARDS.
IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
IT'S OKAY TO PUT YOUR, YOUR NAME.
PUT YOUR MY NAME EVERY NOW AND THEN
I'M RENEE EDWARDS AND I LIVE AT 1237 BOYSENBERRY DRIVE IN DESOTO, TEXAS.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO STRONGLY EXPRESS MY EXTREME DISPLEASURE AND OPPOSITION TO THE VESPER, UH, EMERALD HILLS ENERGY PROJECT, SPECIAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION THAT WILL BE COMING BEFORE THIS COMMISSION FOR YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OR DENIAL AS A 20 YEAR DESO.
AND SINCE MOVING HERE, I HAVE FELT A SENSE OF COHESIVENESS, COHESIVENESS AND PRIDE.
HOWEVER, ALL OF IT STANDS TO BE UPENDED BY THIS COMMISSION'S POTENTIAL VOTE OF YES FOR THIS QUALITY OF LIFE ALTERING PROJECT.
JUST AS A MATTER OF RECORD, THE RESIDENTS IN THIS ROOM TONIGHT HAVE ELECTED THE DESOTO CITY COUNCIL REPRESENTATIVES TO REPRESENT THEM WITH VISION, COMPETENCE, DIGNITY, INTEGRITY,
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AND TO BE ETHICALLY SOUND AND HANDLING CITY'S BUSINESS.AND TO PROTECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
BY EXTENSION, YOU ALL REPRESENT THEM AND THEY HAVE PLACED YOU HERE TO MAKE INFORMED AND DELIBERATIVE DECISIONS ON THE GROWTH OF THE CITY WHILE PROMOTING AND SUSTAINING THE QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WILL BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR US.
NOW IN THE CENSUS WITH VESPER, UH, VOTE FROM THIS COMMISSION FOR THIS PROJECT WILL BE A DESTRUCTIVE DEATH WISH FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
ITS CONTINUED GROWTH AND QUALITY OF LIFE.
I STAND HERE TONIGHT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT AS THERE IS NO UPSIDE FOR US.
I REPEAT, THERE ARE NO UPSIDES FOR US.
IF THIS COMMISSION DECIDES TO VOTE YES FOR THIS PROJECT AND ALIGNS ITSELF WITH VESPER, THEN YOUR DECISION, AND BY EXTENSION, THOSE ON THE CITY COUNCIL WHO APPOINTED YOU WILL SAY TO ALL OF US THAT AN ENVIRONMENTALLY HEALTHY AND VIABLE COMMUNITY IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT FOR DESOTO.
UH, THEY HAVE ENGAGED AS ONE OF THE OTHER LADIES SAID, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, MONEY HUSH MONEY WITH THE GOOD NEIGHBOR, UH, UM, INITIATIVE, UH, THROWING A LITTLE $10,000 AT OUR COMMUNITY.
THEY MAKE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
WHY WOULD THEY JUST GIVE US $10,000? TAKE YOUR MONEY SOMEWHERE ELSE IN HIGHLAND PARK OR WHATEVER AND TAKE YOUR MONEY AND RUN.
NOW WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE PREEMPTIVE BUSINESS MANEUVERS TO GET A YES FROM THIS COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL ON THIS HARMFUL PROJECT.
AND I HOPE THAT YOU ARE PAYING ATTENTION.
I WILL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS AGAIN.
YOU, AS AN EXTENSION OF OUR ELECTED LEADERS SHOULD VOTE NO TO THIS PROJECT.
THE VESPER, UH, UH, PROJECT, AGAIN, IS DESTRUCTIVE.
IT'S UNDESIRABLE AND IS NOT WHAT WE WANT IN DESOTO.
IT'S NOT WHAT WE NEED IN DESOTO.
AND YOUR NO VOTE WILL BE A VERY CRITICAL ONE WHERE YOU WILL TAKE A VERY PRONOUNCED STAND.
YOUR VOTE WILL TELL US ALL THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THE CITY'S LEADERSHIP AND THE VISION FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO.
WILL YOUR DECISION BE ONE OF CHARACTER AND COMMUNITY FOCUS ON CLIMATE AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE AND MITIGATING CRIME, UH, TO SUSTAIN THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR DESOTO? OR WILL YOUR DECISION BE A LACK OF VISION THAT SUPPORTS COLLABORATIVE COLLUSION WITH UNDESIRABLE BUSINESSES HELL BENT ON TAKING OVER AND DESTROYING OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN THIS SOTO? I ASK YOU, HEY MA'AM, THAT'S YOUR TIME TO VOTE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, YOU MUST ENJOY HEARING MY VOICE.
I I KEEP SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.
UH, THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS MS. RAMONA FIGHT.
IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY THE RESIDENCE, AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES NOW.
IT IS YOUR CHOICE, BUT I DO SEE THERE'S ALSO A MISS EVELYN FIGHT.
DO Y'ALL, Y'ALL WANT TO SPEAK JOINTLY OR? YEAH, WE WILL SPEAK JOINTLY.
NOW IF YOU SPEAK JOINTLY THOUGH, YOU SHOULD HAVE THREE MINUTES.
EVERYTHING I NEED TO SAY IS IN THREE MINUTES.
I'M A CURRENT RESIDENT OF THE, UH, CITY OF DESOTO AS WELL.
UM, I BROUGHT OUT TODAY MY MOTHER, WHO'S 81 YEARS OLD.
WE MOVED HERE ROUGHLY SEVEN YEARS AGO.
I'M A HEALTHCARE, HEALTHCARE, UH, PROFESSIONAL AS WELL.
I'M A PHARMACIST ALMOST 30 YEARS.
UM, AND THE CONCERNS OUR, OUR CITIZENS HAVE MENTIONED HAS BEEN, UM, WE'RE IN OPPOSITION.
I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S THE, THE VOLUME AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE HERE IN SUPPORT OF, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE LEADERSHIP.
THERE'S, THERE'S TRUE CONCERNS FOR OUR KIDS, UH, FOR OUR INVESTMENT PROPERTIES.
AND VESPER, THEY, THEY DID DISAPPOINT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY CAME OUT, THEY SEEMINGLY WERE VERY, VERY CONCRETE ON THEIR DECISION.
UM, I ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER WHAT ALL THE OTHER, UM, MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID TO US, UH, TONIGHT.
BUT ONE THING I WANT SHARE, AND I WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THIS AS YOU, UH, MAKE SOME DECISIONS FORWARD.
UM, THE BOOK OF JOHN 10 AND 10 SAYS, THE THIEF COMETH NOT, BUT TO STILL KILL AND DESTROY.
BUT WE HAVE COME THAT WE HAVE LIFE HERE IN THE CITY OF DESOTO.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, NEXT WE HAVE MS. JANICE GILMAN.
IS THERE A MS. JANICE GILMAN IN ATTENDANCE? GILMORE, BUT I DIDN'T PUT MY NAME DOWN TO SPEAK.
OH, YOU DON'T, YOU KNEW I WAS SPEAK.
OKAY, WELL WE DO HAVE YOUR POSITION NOTATED.
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OKAY.WHAT IS HER POSITION? HER POSITION IS, NO, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
I, I I JUST WANT YOU TO SAY IT FOR YOURSELF.
I FIGURED, I FIGURED THERE'S NO WAY YOU'D BE THE ONLY YES IN THE HOUSE.
NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS MS, UH, TANYA EVANS.
MS. EVANS, IF YOU WANNA COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.
AND ALSO THE CITY OF RE THE RESIDENCE.
HI, MY NAME IS TANYA EVANS AND I'M A DESOTO RESIDENT SINCE 2008, I'M DEFINITELY AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL.
WHEN WE MOVED OUT HERE, WE MOVED OUT HERE TO RAISE OUR FAMILY IN A SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD, NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT AN INDUSTRIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
THIS IS NOT A, THIS WILL BE A NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO.
WE DO NOT WANT TO BE KNOWN AS THE CITY THAT HOUSES A WASTELAND.
WE DON'T WANT THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY.
IT'S NO BENEFIT TO THE CITY OF DESOTO.
AND ALSO WITH SPEAKING WITH VESPER, THEY STATED THAT THEY PROPOSED ANOTHER AREA IN DESOTO AND THEY WERE TOLD NO BECAUSE OF WILDLIFE.
WELL, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE AND I, I LIKE, I LIKE WILDLIFE, I LIKE ANIMALS, THINGS OF THAT SORT.
BUT WE'RE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO REALLY CONSIDER THIS FOR OUR SAFETY, FOR THE ENVIRONMENT.
I REALLY WANT YOU TO CONSIDER THIS.
WE DO NOT WANT TO BECOME THE NEXT FLINT, MICHIGAN.
WE DO NOT WANT TO BECOME THE NEXT, UH, CAMP OF JUNE.
WE WANT YOU GUYS TO REALLY CONSIDER THIS FOR OUR SAFETY.
WE NEED TO UPHOLD OUR INTEGRITY IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE DO NOT WANT, THIS INVESTOR CAN PUT THIS IN THEIR LOVELY NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY HAVE MONEY THEY CAN PUT OR PUT IT IN, IN IRVING, I RIDE BY, UH, THE HIGHWAYS ALL OF ALL THE TIME.
AND THEY HAVE THOSE, UH, POWER GRIDS AWAY FROM PEOPLE.
THIS NEEDS TO BE AWAY FROM OUR HOMES.
IT'S TOO CLOSE TO OUR HOMES AND THAT AREA FOR IT TO BE OUR HOMES THERE.
I'M NOT, I'M TRYING TO STILL FIGURE OUT WHY ARE YOU GUYS, WELL, NOT YOU GUYS PERSONALLY, BUT WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO PUT THAT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD? I'M, I'M STILL MINE BY BOGGLED ABOUT THAT.
BUT YES, MY ANSWER WILL BE NO VESPER.
GO TO YOUR OWN CITY, GO TO YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON.
UH, THE NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS, UH, LOOKS LIKE BRALY SMITH.
STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I'M, I'M A RESIDENT OF DESOTO, TEXAS AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, UM, HELL TO THE NOTE.
HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
UH, NEXT INDIVIDUAL, MS. ELAINE SMITH.
UH, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY AND RESIDENCE.
HI, MY NAME IS ELAINE SMITH AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DESOTO AND I CAME HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU GUYS TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I AM NOT FOR THIS CRAPPY MOTEL, NOR FOR THIS DANGEROUS BATTERY PROJECT.
I WILL SAY THIS, IF YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO GET US KILLED WITH THIS MOTEL AND WITH THIS BATTERY PROJECT, THEN GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES.
GO AHEAD AND VOTE YES BECAUSE THAT INSINUATES THAT, THAT THAT MEANS THAT WE DON'T MATTER AND THAT THIS IS ABOUT GREED AND IT IS NOT ABOUT US.
YOU GUYS HAVE GOT AN, A HOST OF REASONS WHY YOU SHOULDN'T.
SO IF YOU WANT TO VOTE YES, VOTE YES, BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT FOR US, IT'S FOR AGAINST US.
ALRIGHT, NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS MS. TARA VELAZQUEZ.
MS. TARA VELAZQUEZ, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD.
MA'AM, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS TARA VELAZQUEZ AND I LIVE IN DESOTO, TEXAS.
AND UM, I AGREE WITH ALL OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE TO SAY NO TO THIS PROJECT.
UM, SPEAKING ON THE FIRE IN KOREA, 22 PEOPLE DIED WITHIN SECONDS OF THE FIRE EMPLOYEES THAT WERE FULLY ARMED IN THEIR PROTECTIVE GEAR.
BUT YOU WANNA PUT THIS NEXT TO OUR KIDS, OUR TEACHERS.
HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY THAT? I'M SORRY, I'M EMOTIONAL.
I'VE LIVED HERE MY WHOLE LIFE.
I'M NOT RAISING MY GRANDKIDS HERE.
IF YOU ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN, I REALLY TRULY HOPE THAT YOU CONSIDER SAYING NO TO THIS PROJECT.
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LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS MR. RON PERKINS.MR. PERKINS, YOU'LL COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME, STATE OF RESIDENCE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I AM RON PERKINS AND I LIVE IN DESOTO.
I AM AGAINST THE BATTERY STORAGE FACILITY.
THE YOUNG LADY THAT SPOKE ABOUT NOT PUTTING IT WHERE IT WOULD HARM ANIMALS.
THAT WAS THE POINT THAT I WANTED TO BRING OUT AND, AND I APPRECIATE HER SPEAKING IT.
WE KNOW THAT ANIMAL RIGHTS PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF POWER BEHIND THEM.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF FINANCES BACKING THEM.
THEY KEPT IT FROM BEING WHERE IT WOULD DAMAGE THE WILDLIFE.
PLEASE KEEP IT OUT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
NEXT WE HAVE MR. BENNY MEDINA.
MR. MEDINA, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I'M A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF DESOTA, TEXAS.
BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING ELSE, MY INPUT IS NO, AS IN NO.
I'VE LIVED LONG ENOUGH IN THIS LIFE TO SEE MORE THAN JUST ONE NEIGHBORHOOD.
DESTROYED CITIES AS WELL WORLDWIDE IN THE UNITED STATES.
IF YOU DO NOT STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT, WRONG, GO OUTDO YOU.
YOU GOT TO STAND, FLATFOOTED IT AND BE FIRM.
NOT TRYING TO STICK A PACIFY IN SOMEBODY'S MOUTH.
YOU EITHER DO RIGHT OR YOU DO WRONG.
ALRIGHT, NEXT INDIVIDUAL, MS UH, TINA JOHNSON.
MS. JOHNSON, IF YOU WANNA COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS TINA JOHNSON AND I'M A RESIDENT OF DESOTO.
AND I'M GOING TO JUST PIGGYBACK OFF OF EVERYTHING THAT MY DESOTO COMMUNITY HAVE GOT UP HERE AND SAID, I UH, WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT I'M STANDING HERE TONIGHT TO ASK YOU TO VOTE NO, UH, ON THE, UH, EMERALD HILL PROJECT, VASPER LITHIUM BATTERY, WHATEVER NAME YOU GUYS GIVE IT, IT'S A NO.
AND AS WELL AS MS. SMITH FOR THE HOPE FOR THE MOTEL THAT, UH, I HEAR THAT IT IS ABOUT TO, UH, OR MAYBE COME UP, UH, UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
ALSO, IN MY VIEW OF THINGS, A YES VOTE TO ME MEANS THAT THE ENEMY IS WITHIN THE CITY OF DESOTO AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DESTROY DE SOTO FROM THE INSIDE OUT.
BUT I SO HOPE THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE AND THAT YOU GUYS DON'T ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.
I WANT TO RAISE MY GRANDKIDS HERE, BUT I DON'T WANT A GENERATION OF CHILDREN AND FAMILY IN A COMMUNITY THAT IS DANGEROUS TO LIVE IN, THAT YOU CAN'T BREATHE.
OR IF GOD FORBID SOMETHING HAPPENS IN THIS EXPLOSION OR THIS FIRE HAPPENS THAT IT DESTROYS OUR COMMUNITY.
AND IF IT DOES, AND YOU GUYS LET
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THIS HAPPEN, CAN YOU LOOK ME IN MY FACE AFTER IT'S OVER? I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN IF YOU VOTE ON THIS.AND YET AGAIN AND AGAIN, I WILL SAY MY ANSWER IS NO.
AND I'M HERE TO ASK YOU AGAIN TO VOTE NO ON THE MOTEL AND THE EMERALD HILL PROJECT, VASPER OR LITHIUM BATTERY.
ALRIGHT, LAST CALL I HAVE IS FOR A MISS EMERY PRICE.
I TOLD YOU SOMETIMES I'LL BUTCHER IT, BUT FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW, MY FIRST NAME IS THELONIUS.
MY WIFE WOULD PUT MY DASH SAY EVERY I SPEAK.
ALRIGHT, UH, GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE.
HAVE NATASHA PRICE WITH ME, MY WIFE.
LEMME JUST READ A LITTLE INFORMATION REAL QUICK.
UH, 2023 STUDY FOUNDED TOXIC CHEMICAL CHEMICALS LINKED TO CANCER AND HEART DISEASE ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY POLLUTING WATER SOURCES IN BLACK AND HISPANIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN THE US THE STUDY FOUND THAT POLLUTION SOURCES LIKE INDUSTRIAL PLANTS, LANDFILLS, AND MILITARY BASES ARE OFTEN BUILT NEAR BLACK AND HISPANIC NEIGHBORHOODS.
WHEN I WAS SITTING HERE LISTENING, UM, YOU SAID THERE WAS GONNA GIVE US LIKE $20,000 PER HOME.
IT KINDA REMINDED ME OF MODERN DAY PIMPING.
IT'S JUST LIKE YOU GIVING THAT KID A PAIR OF BASKETBALL SHOES TO PLAY ON THAT BASKETBALL TEAM.
'CAUSE THE KID IS GOOD AND THE PARENT SAYS YES.
IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S THE SAME THING THAT'S GOING ON HERE.
SO WE JUST GOING VOTE NO NO FOR THAT AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO MOVE IF IT HAPPENS.
SO THAT'S, YEAH, I WORK, I RETIRED WITH THE CITY OF DALLAS, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT OF 25 YEARS A CAPTAIN.
SO I'M JUST HERE TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA THAT THE FIRE DEATH WOULD BE TREMENDOUS AND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT'S THE FACT THAT'S THE CANCER THAT THE CHEMICALS ARE GONNA PRESENT.
MY QUESTION, BECAUSE I IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD APP WITH MS. TRACY, MY QUESTION IS, WHO GETS TO VOTE ON THIS? ARE YOU THE ONES THAT GET TO VOTE ON THIS? 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW IS THIS GETTING PROGRESSED THIS FAR WITHOUT ANYBODY KNOWING.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD APP, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER TO FIND OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
BUT LIKE I SAID, MY HUSBAND SAID, IF IT GETS APPROVED, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF HOMES AND A LOT OF PEOPLE PUTTING THEIR HOMES UP FOR SALE AND GETTING OUT OF DESOTA.
I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE, WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE, UH, 19, UH, UH, 20, UH, 1999.
WE LOVE THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, ASPECT OF IT.
MY HUSBAND USED TO BE A PRINCIPAL HERE IN DESOTO.
WE LOVE IT HERE, BUT WE DON'T WANNA HAVE TO MOVE IF THEY BRING SOMETHING HERE THAT'S GONNA BE THIS DETRIMENTAL TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND, AND JUST REMEMBER, THESE PLANTS ARE BUILT IN 40 TO 60% OF BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE LAST TIME I HAVE TO SAY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
ALRIGHT, SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR CITIZEN APPEARANCES.
THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO US AND EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS, BUT WE CAN'T COMMENT.
BUT I WILL JUST SAY THIS, THANK YOU ALL, UH, BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THE CITY OF DESOTO IS ABOUT.
IT'S ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, IT'S ABOUT PEOPLE COMING OUT AND EXPRESSING THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THEIR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE ALL WANT TO DESOTO TO BE THE BEST IT POSSIBLY CAN BE.
UH, FOR THOSE WHO SPOKE, THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T SP SPEAK, BUT YOU CAME OUT TO SUPPORT WHATEVER YOUR POSITION IS.
UH, AT THIS TIME IT IS SIX 50.
UM, I, I WANT TO EXPRESS THE SAME SENTIMENT.
IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE SO MANY PEOPLE COME OUT AND TO EXPRESS UM, HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT, ABOUT THE POTENTIAL.
SO JUST THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.
AND THEN TO MY COLLEAGUES HERE, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING THAT WOULD, THAT CONCERNED ME BECAUSE AS WE DO OUR JOB, PEOPLE HAVE TO TRUST US THAT WE ARE MAKING THE BEST DISHONEST DECISIONS AND FOR SOMETHING TO BE OCCURRING.
NOW I'M GONNA HAVE TO STOP YOU.
UH, HE HAS HIS MIC ON MR. SMITH.
MR. CALEB
THANK, CAN, CAN I JUST SAY THANK YOU? JUST SAY THANK YOU,
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THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, NOW YOU'VE BEEN DYING TO DO THIS ALL NIGHT.
AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS, UH, IT'S SIMPLY BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR, UH, PROJECT SUPPOSEDLY IS IN MY DISTRICT AS THE CITY COUNCIL PERSON.
SO WHAT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE APPRECIATE YOUR VOICES.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE DO HEAR YOU.
UH, THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE ULTIMATE DECISION MAKER AND I AM YOUR VOICE ON THE COUNCIL AND I HEAR YOU.
PLEASE, PLEASE KNOW THAT I HEAR YOU.
I LIVE IN KINGSDALE FARM, SO THIS IS RIGHT THERE NEAR ME.
AND I KNOW THAT IT IS A CONCERN OF NOT ONLY YOURS, BUT I'M SURE, UH, THAT OUR COUNCIL WILL BE CONCERNED ABOUT IT AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, I DO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS COMING OUT.
PLEASE KNOW THAT AS SOON AS IT GETS TO, UH, TO ME, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS KNOW AND NOT JUST YOU, BUT THE ENTIRE CITY OF DESOTO.
CERTAINLY OUR DIRECTOR WILL BE SENDING OUT HIS DEPARTMENT WILL BE MAKING SURE THAT, UH, THE CORRESPONDENCE IS SENT OUT AS WE NORMALLY DO TO ALL OF OUR RESIDENTS, TO THOSE WHO WILL BE, UH, AFFECTED AS YOU EXIT.
UM, CERTAINLY I WILL BE ON THE OUTSIDE AND I WILL ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
BUT THOSE OF YOU WHO, IF YOU WOULD LOVE TO STAY AND, AND CONTINUE WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING, UH, COMMISSION MEETING, CERTAINLY I WANT YOU TO FEEL FREE AND DO THAT AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, WE DO APPRECIATE YOU.
IF YOU'D LIKE TO GET MY PERSONAL INFORMATION, CERTAINLY YOU CAN GO ONLINE AND DO THAT.
IF NOT, I'LL BE RIGHT OUTSIDE AND I'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PASS THAT INFORMATION ALONG TO YOU.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE TIME IS NOW 7 0 1.
WE'RE GONNA TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS AND THEN AFTER THAT RECESS WE WILL THEN PROCEED WITH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO WE WILL RESUME OUR MEETING AT SEVEN 11.
WE'LL RESUME OUR MEETING AT 7:11 PM THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE TIME IS NOW SEVEN 11.
WE WANNA GO AHEAD AND RESUME OUR PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING.
MR. CARROLL, IF YOU'LL JUST CLOSE THE DOORS, UH, SO, SO THAT WE CAN, UM, CONTINUE THE MEETING.
S ALRIGHT, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND PROCEED WITH THE AGENDA.
UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, SAME THING WITH THE, UM, SAME THING WITH PUBLIC HEARINGS AS IT WAS WITH THE CITIZEN APPEARANCES IF ANYONE IS HERE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THIS EVENING WE HAVE THREE.
IF YOU WOULD FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD WITH MR. CARROLL.
UH, HE'S SEATED TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT.
AND THEN AT THE TIME, UH, WHEN THAT PUBLIC HEARING, UH, IS OPEN, UH, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES ON THAT PARTICULAR PUBLIC HEARING.
[1. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council a request to amend PD-20 zoning district to allow for a four (4) story hotel (Country Inn & Suites) and future retail. The property is located on the west side of Interstate 35E (I-35E) and on the north side of E. Wintergreen Road. The property consists of 4.323 acres of land and is addressed as 1301 Wintergreen Road. The applicant is Kiew Kam and the owner Kalpesh Patel. (Zoning Case No. Z-1524-24).]
D ONE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL A REQUEST TO AMEND PD 20 ZONING DISTRICT TO ALLOW FOR A FOUR STORY HOTEL COUNTRY ENDS AND SUITES AND FUTURE RETAIL.THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF INTERSTATE 35 EI 35 E AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST WINTER GREEN ROAD, THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF 4.323 ACRES OF LAND AND IS ADDRESSED AS 1301 WINTER GREEN ROAD.
THE APPLICANT IS Q COM AND THE OWNER IS KA PATEL.
THIS IS ZONING CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1524 DASH 24.
AND MS. RAZZI, GOOD EVENING TO YOU AND MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE.
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AND AND ZONING DIVISION.CASE NUMBER Z 15 24 24 IS A PD 20 AMENDMENT REQUEST TO ALLOW FOR A FOUR STORY COUNTRY INN AND SUITE HOTEL AND FUTURE RETAIL WITH NO DEVIATION.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF INTERSTATE 35 EAST AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF EAST WINTER GREEN ROAD, THE PROPERTY'S ADDRESS IS 13 0 1 EAST WINTER GREEN ROAD.
IT IS APPROXIMATELY 4.3 ACRES IN SIZE.
THIS IS THE AREA OF VIEW OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.
UM, THE, THE AREA THAT IS IN RED IS THE WHERE THE HOTEL IS BEING PROPOSED ADJUST.
OUR PROPERTY ZONING AND USES INCLUDE TO THE NORTH IS VACANT LAND, ZONED PLANT DEVELOPMENT 20 TO THE SOUTHEAST HOLIDAY INN EXPRESS HOTEL ZONED PD 20 TO THE EAST IS A CREEK MAGNUSON GRANT, HOTEL AND A GAS STATION ZONED PD 20 TO THE WEST IS COMFORT SUITE HOTEL ZONED PD 20 IS WELL THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE NEW ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR DESTINATION MIXED USES.
THE PROPOSED HOTEL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE OF THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A FOUR STORY HOTEL WITH 97 GUEST ROOMS AND A FUTURE RETAIL LOT.
THE HOTEL WILL HAVE MULTIPLE AMENITIES AS REQUIRED FOR A HOTEL WITHIN THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT 20 WITH NO DEVIATIONS.
THE PROPOSED FOUR FOUR STORY HOTEL DEVELOPMENT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DESTINATION MIXED USE OF THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT STATES THAT THE PROPOSED COUNTRY IN AND SW WILL, WILL SUPERSEDE HOTELS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ALONG THE INTERSTATE 35 EAST.
THIS IS THE LIST OF, UH, THE, UM, AMENITIES THAT WILL BE IN THIS HOTEL THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, TO, TO THE RIGHT ARE THE, THE DIFFERENT, UH, THINGS THAT THEY'LL BE PROVIDING AND TO THE, TO THE, TO THE LEFT AND TO THE RIGHT IS THE SIZES.
SO THEY ARE GOING TO BE, THERE'S GOING TO BE FULL RESTAURANT WITH A BAR MEETING ROOM, UH, DROP-IN AREA.
THESE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN, WITHIN THE PD 24 HOTELS TO HAVE.
SO THE APPLICANT IS MEETING ALL THAT.
AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE HOTEL IS MEETING THE INTENT AND THE SPIRIT OF THE PD 20 HOTEL REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS THEIR PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN.
SO WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE IS THAT THE HOTEL IS BEING PRO PROPOSED AT THE BACK OF THIS SITE RIGHT HERE.
THIS IS THE PORTION WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING FUTURE RETAIL ON THE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE TO THE AREA THAT IS CLOSE TO WINTER GREEN.
THIS IS, UH, THEIR LANDSCAPE PLAN.
THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE, THE, THE FRONT OF THE, UH, THE HOTEL.
THIS IS THE ELEVATIONS OF THE FRONT SIDE OF THE HOTEL.
THIS IS THE NOTIFICATION AREA.
AND AS YOU IN YELLOW, THIS IS OPPOSITION TO THIS, UM, PROPOSAL THAT WE RECEIVED, ONE LETTER IN, IN SUPPORT, AND TWO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION OF ALL THE NOTIFICATIONS THAT WENT OUT.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO AMEND PD 20.
AND I'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWERPHONE.
HOW YOU DOING TODAY? GOOD, GOOD.
UH, I, I'VE JUST GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION ON THE FUTURE RETAIL LANGUAGE THAT IS IN, UH, YOUR STAFF REPORT? AND, UM, THE, MY SECOND QUESTION IS FOR WHATEVER FUTURE RETAIL THEY DECIDE TO DO, WILL THEY HAVE TO COME BACK TO THIS BOARD FOR APPROVAL? NOT, NOT REALLY BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOWING THAT THEY'RE GOING, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME RETAIL ON THERE.
SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THAT THEY WILL NEED, BECAUSE THIS IS CONCEPT PLAN, SO THEY WILL HAVE TO GIVE US A, A FINAL SITE PLAN THAT MEETS WHATEVER RETAIL USE IS GONNA BE.
WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEREFORE THE REQUIRED PARKING BY THAT USE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE USE IS GONNA BE AND THE APPLICANT DOESN'T KNOW AT THIS POINT, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE A RETAIL USE, WHICH IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THIS, UH, PD.
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GOOD EVENING, MS. RAZZI.CAN YOU GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS WHAT'S REQUIRED FOR, UM, THE PROPOSED HOTEL VERSUS WHAT THEY'RE PROVIDING REGARDING, SPECIFICALLY REGARDING THE RESTAURANT.
UM, CAN THIS HOTEL OPEN BEFORE ALL OF THESE AMENITIES ARE PROVIDED IN A PHASED APPROACH, OR DO ALL OF THESE AMENITIES HAVE TO BE PROVIDED PRIOR TO THIS HOTEL OPENING? E EVERYTHING, BECAUSE THEY'RE SHOWING ALL THIS WITH THIS, UH, APPLICATION.
SO IT, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN BEFORE THEY OPEN.
SO BEFORE A PERMIT IS ISSUED, ALL OF THESE AMENITIES WOULD HAVE TO BE INCLUDED.
THE TWO OPPOSITIONS, WERE THEY WITHIN 200 FEET OR 400 FEET? 200.
THIS ONE IS, ONE IS TWO WITHIN 200, AND THE ONE IS WITHIN 400.
MS. CAESAR, UH, MS. BEST, WERE THEY, UH, RESIDENTIAL OR COMMERCIAL? THE, UH, OPPONENTS, UH, ONE IS, UH, THE ONE IN SUPPORT IS RESIDENTIAL AND THE TWO IN OPPOSITIONS IS, UH, THERE IS AN EXISTING HOTEL RIGHT HERE AND THERE IS A PROPOSAL PROPOSED HOTEL RIGHT HERE.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONE STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT HERE.
SO THOSE ARE TWO HOTEL OWNERS THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. MOONEY.
AT THIS TIME IT'S SEVEN 20, WE'LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, APPLICANT HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO, BUT YOU CERTAINLY CAN.
UH, JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
ALSO, ANY CONCERNED CITIZEN HAS AN OPPORTUNITY EITHER SPEAK IN, IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.
SO AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, NOW IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.
ALRIGHT, I SEE MS. MS. ANNA WILLIAMS IS COMING FORWARD AND MS. WILLIAMS, ONCE AGAIN, STATE YOUR NAMES.
CITY OF RESIDENT AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UH, I THINK WE'VE HAD ENOUGH OF HOTEL MOTELS.
IT'S KEEP CREATING A LOT OF CRIME IN THE AREA.
AND YOU SAID 18 LETTERS WENT OUT.
I HAVE A FRIEND THAT LIVES OVER THERE AND SHE'S CLOSE TO THAT AREA AND SHE'S LIKE, NEVER GOT IT.
UM, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE ARE NOT DE SODER ANYMORE.
I, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A GREAT HOTEL.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A MOVIE THEATER SOMEWHERE ELSE.
MY, MY GRANDDAUGHTER RIGHT NOW IS IN FLORIDA.
THEY HAVE THE A A U SOCCER, UH, TEAM THAT'S PLAYING.
WE CAN GET NOTHING OUT OF HERE FOR DESOTA.
WE HAVE, UH, UP HERE A BOWLING ALLEY.
THAT MONEY SHOULD BE USED ON IT.
PARKING LOTS SHOULD BE USED, BUT YET WE GETTING ANOTHER WHOLE MOTEL AND IT, AND IT'S NOT NICE.
AND THAT'S THE WAY I'M GONNA SAY IT, A WHOLE MOTEL BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE DO.
WE HAVE PEOPLE RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE STREETS.
UH, FAST CARS COMING IN THERE, UH, LIVING LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, BUT WE, AND, AND THE RETAIL, ALL THAT'S GONNA BE IS A SMOKE PLACE, ANOTHER SMOKE PLACE INSIDE OF THAT PLACE.
WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE, UM, ALL OF THE AMENITIES THAT THEY SAID.
OH, A FULL BAR, RESTAURANT AND BAR, MINIMUM ROOM REQUIREMENTS, LOBBY, MEETING ROOM, INDOOR POOL IT, ALL OF THAT STUFF.
YEAH, THEY MIGHT HAVE THE LITTLE DOG PARK, BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH MOTELS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, NOT BE HOTEL MOTEL OUT.
WE, THEY WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREETS.
AND OF COURSE WE DO HAVE TRUCK DRIVERS.
MY MY SON IS A TRUCK DRIVER, BUT HE LIVES WITH ME AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE WHO COME IN HERE AND THEY JUST DESTROY THE PLACE.
AND WE'VE GOT MORE OF THE KIDS WHO ARE COMING.
MY SON IS A POLICEMAN WHO COME FROM HIS AREA OVER HERE WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE STEALING CARS, DOING WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO BETTER.
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I'M SORRY, BUT WE, AND I, AND I KNOW THAT THIS WILL BE OVERRIDDEN THE OVERRIDE.IT MIGHT NOT BE Y'ALL BECAUSE YOU MIGHT SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S NOT ENOUGH.
BUT WE KNOW WHEN IT GETS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE KNOW WHO THE PEOPLE ARE, THAT'S GOING TO SAY, OH YEAH, WE'LL DO IT.
THAT'S CITY COUNCIL, WHICH MY HUSBAND ROOSEVELT WILLIAMS, HE DIED IN 2020.
HE WAS ON PLANNING AND ZONING.
HE STOPPED CRAP LIKE THIS AND SAID, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO BE HEARD? MA'AM, IF YOU COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T FILLED OUT COMMENT CARD WHEN YOU FINISH SPEAKING, IF YOU WOULD JUST SEE MR. CARROLL.
I FILLED OUT, OUT THE CARD FOR THE OTHER THING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, BUT I'LL FILL OUT ANOTHER ONE.
MY CONCERN ABOUT A LOT OF HOTELS AND MOTELS IS HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
UM, IT'S PRETTY SOON IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
I LIVED IN CALIFORNIA, I LIVED IN OAKLAND.
AND THE MORE HOTELS THAT YOU PUT AROUND, THE MORE YOU GET FOR, ESPECIALLY RIGHT OFF THE FREEWAY, PEOPLE WILL START SOLICITING.
THEY'RE GONNA START SELLING THE DRUGS IN A HOTEL.
THEY'RE GONNA START DOING A NUMBER OF THINGS IN THOSE HOTELS.
AND ONE OF THEM IS HUMAN TRAFFICKING.
THEY'RE RIGHT OFF THE FREEWAY.
I DON'T WANT IT TO HAPPEN ANYWHERE.
BUT I HAVE GRANDKIDS, I HAVE SONS, I HAVE NIECES AND NEPHEWS, AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO BE A VICTIM OF SOMETHING THAT WE COULD STOP.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO BE HEARD ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? AND AGAIN, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD.
WE NEED A COMMENT CARD ON EACH ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
SO PLEASE MAKE SURE, UH, YOU FILL OUT A COMMON CARD.
UH, MA'AM, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS VICKI LLOYD AND I JUST, UH, I'VE BEEN IN DESOTO SINCE 98.
EIGHT, SO I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES COME OVER.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I DO UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT A LOT OF, UH, HOTELS AND EVERYTHING IN THEIR COMMUNITY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO CREATE A TAX SPACE HERE.
SO MY CONCERN IS, IS THERE'S SECURITY.
MAYBE THERE'S, MAYBE THERE'S AN ELEMENT WE CAN ADD TO WHEN WE APPROVE THINGS THAT WILL HELP PEOPLE FEEL BETTER ABOUT IT.
LIKE SHE SAID, HUMAN TRAFFICKING AND I SAID WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE TO DESOTO, UH, THE POLICE WOULD, UH, MAKE ROUNDS AROUND THE COMMUNITY AT NIGHTTIME, REAL LATE AT NIGHTTIME.
NOW, YOU KNOW, THE CRIMINALS ARE MAKING ROUNDS AROUND THE COMMUNITY LATE AT NIGHTTIME.
SO MAYBE WE NEED TO INCREASE WHILE WE ARE INCREASING OUR TAX BASE WITH HOTELS AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, REQUIRE SECURITY, MORE SECURITY OR MORE ADD POLICE TO OUR BUDGET.
AND I KNOW PEOPLE DON'T WANNA PAY TAXES, BUT IF YOU WANT THE SECURITY THAT YOU HAVE, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE HAVE.
SO WE NEED TO START THINKING OF SOLUTIONS THAT'S GONNA KEEP OUR COMMUNITY AND HELP US GROW AT THE SAME TIME.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GROW.
I MEAN AS MUCH AS WE HATE THE TRAFFIC AND EVERYTHING THAT COMES WITH IT, WE HAVE TO GROW.
BUT WE NEED TO THINK OF SOLUTIONS AND MAYBE ADDING, UH, THE NEED FOR SECURITY SO THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT OR MORE POLICING SO THAT WE WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, UH, THOSE KIND OF ISSUES MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, YOUR PO OFFICIAL POSITION ON THIS AGENDA ITEM IS IN FAVOR AGAINST.
I'M OKAY WITH IT BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE TO MAKE MONEY.
SO WE HAVE, I MEAN THERE'S CER I'M NOT OKAY WITH THAT THING SITTING IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR COMMUNITY 'CAUSE THAT'S RESIDENTIAL.
BUT THIS IS ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY ON THE, WHERE HOTELS ARE BUILT.
IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL AREA, COMMERCIAL ZONED AREA, AND IT'S ON THE FREEWAY WHERE THE REST OF THE HOTEL IS.
SO WHY DENY THIS PERSON THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD THEIR BUSINESS WHEN WE HAVE ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE? BIGGER, BIGGER CORPORATIONS WILL COME AND THEY'LL BUY BIGGER PLACES, BUT BECAUSE SHE'S A SMALLER, UH, INDIVIDUAL, WHY DENY HER? THANK YOU MA'AM.
NEXT UP WE HAVE UH, BELINDA ALLEN.
MS. ALLEN, IF YOU COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND IT'LL ALSO YOUR CITY RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I KNOW Y'ALL DON'T KNOW ME, BUT I JUST WAS SAYING WHY WOULD I STATE MY NAME AND YOU JUST NOT SAID IT, BUT I SAID IT.
I'M BELINDA ALLEN AND I'M A, UM, RESIDENT OF DESOTA.
I WAS TRYING TO HEAR, BUT IT COULD HAVE BEEN MY EAR 'CAUSE I WASN'T ABLE TO HEAR EVERYTHING CLEARLY.
BUT FOR AS THE HOTELS, YOU, I THINK YOU HAVE ABOUT 12,
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RIGHT? ON THE SAME, ON THE SIDE OF THE FREEWAY.AND ANOTHER THING, IT IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING HOTELS.
THAT'S MAYBE REASONABLE PRICE, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY NICE ONES.
HOW COME WE DON'T HAVE NO EMBASSY SUITE WHILE WE HAVE THE HOTELS AND ANYBODY BUY, NOTHING IS WRONG WITH THE CHEAPER HOTELS.
'CAUSE I KNOW WHEN YOU'RE, UH, ON VACATION, YOU WANT SOMETHING INEXPENSIVE WITH FREE BREAKFAST.
AT LEAST I DO, BUT I STILL WANT A NICE HOTEL.
BEFORE, IT USED TO BE NOTHING OUT HERE IN DESOTA LONG, LONG TIME AGO, Y'ALL MADE UP IN HERE.
IT WAS JUST WEAVES AND IT HAS GROWN.
AND ADDING ON TO WHAT THESE PEOPLE WAS TALKING ABOUT, THE BATTERY THING, THAT BLOWS MY MIND.
SO IF THAT MESS UP, WHAT'S THE SENSE OF GETTING ALL THIS OTHER STUFF? WE GOTTA PUT THIS TOGETHER.
I KNOW I MAY BE TALKING A LOT OF COUNTRY, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
Y'ALL GOT TO THINK ON WHAT Y'ALL DOING.
I KNOW EVERYTHING IS GENERATED BY MONEY.
THAT'S YOUR HOTEL YOU'RE TRYING TO DO OR WHOEVER HOTEL IT IS A COUNTRY IN YOU REALLY, IF IT'S HIGHER, IT'S YOUR CLIENTELE THAT'S GONNA COME IN.
IF IT'S CHEAPER, ANYBODY MAY BE ABLE TO DO THIS.
IN THE WORDS THAT THIS OTHER LADY SAID, I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT, BUT YOU GET THE POINT.
AND IF THE SODA DON'T HAVE NOTHING, IT USED TO BE ALL WHITE HERE, Y'ALL KNOW THAT.
IF Y'ALL DIDN'T, IT WAS, AND NOW IT'S NOT A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE HERE, SO MAYBE SINCE IT'S A BUNCH OF BLACKS, IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER.
I'M ALMOST ABOUT TO PAY MY HOUSE OFF.
CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT? THANK GOD FOR THAT.
BUT I'M LIKE, WHY IF ALL OF THIS IS GOING ON, I'LL TAKE MY MONEY NOW, MOVE AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
Y'ALL NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT AND I REALLY APPRECIATE Y'ALL JUST SIT UP THERE AND LISTEN.
BUT I HOPE WHEN Y'ALL LISTEN, Y'ALL HEARING AND Y'ALL ACTUALLY TAKE IT BACK ANYWAY, THAT'S IT.
I SURE APPRECIATE Y'ALL AND I ACTUALLY TALKED UNDER THREE MINUTES.
AND, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, ARE YOU IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION? OH, NOT UH, NO.
BUT I APPRECIATE Y'ALL TRYING TO DO WHATEVER Y'ALL GOT TO DO.
LET THEM PUT SOME BETTER HOTELS AND BETTER PEOPLE COME IN.
SO DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES MA'AM.
AND REMEMBER IT'S LIKE 15 ALREADY ON THE SAME, AT LEAST 12 ON THE SAME ROAD AND THERE AIN'T THAT MUCH GOING ON IN DE SO THERE EVERYBODY TRYING TO COME HERE AND LIVE IN A HOTEL AIN'T THAT MANY FOOTBALL GAME, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? OKAY, I'M THROUGH.
MA'AM, DO I NEED TO LEAVE THIS ON? UH OH, NO, NO, YOU CAN LEAVE IT ON YOU.
NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS ES PATEL KA PATEL.
ALRIGHT, MR. PATEL, IF YOU COME UP, STATE YOUR NAME, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, ALSO YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
KEPE PATEL, UH, KENNEDY, TEXAS.
UM, TO ANSWER SOME OF THE QUESTIONS, UH, THIS IS NOT AN EXTENDED STATE HOTEL WHERE PEOPLE WOULD BE STAYING HERE JUST FOR THE, UH, EXTENDED PERIOD WHERE THE COPS WOULD BE CALLED OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S A TRANSIENT HOTEL, UH, ON TOP OF IT.
UH, IT WOULD NOT BE JUST A MOTEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHERE WE WILL BE CHARGING 20, $30 A NIGHT OR AN HOUR OR SOMETHING.
THIS IS LITERALLY GOING TO BE A NICE HOTEL.
WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE EMBASSY, UH, HOTEL OR SO, THE CITY HAS TO CREATE SOME REPORT IN ORDER FOR ANY BIG HOTEL TO COME IN.
AND I THINK HAVING SOME OF THESE HOTEL COMING IN TOWN, IT'LL HELP YOU GUYS IN THE FUTURE.
SO WE HAVE TO COME IN IN ORDER FOR THEM TO SEE THE BIG NUMBERS COMING IN TOWN AND THAT'S WHEN THE BIGGER HOTEL WOULD COME IN TOWN.
UM, REGARDING THE RETAIL, WE DON'T KNOW YET.
UH, WE MIGHT GET A RESTAURANT THERE.
UH, WE ARE TRYING FOR A RESTAURANT, UH, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
UH, WE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE SOMETHING WE CAN LET YOU GUYS KNOW.
IT'S AN EXTRA LAND WE HAVE RIGHT NOW.
AND OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP THAT LAND INTO, UH, SOMETHING BIGGER AND BETTER UP THERE.
UH, IT'LL ALSO BE THE SYNERGY OF THE HOTEL AT THAT TIME, UH, TO DEVELOP THE, UH, RESTAURANT OR SO WHEN IT COMES TO DOING SOME MORE THINGS IN THE CITY.
THIS HOTEL WOULD PROBABLY PRODUCE MORE THAN $200,000 OR SO IN THE SALES TAX.
PROBABLY A HUNDRED, 120,000 OR SO IN THE PROPERTY TAX THAT CAN ALSO BE USED FOR THE CITY OR BY THE CITY TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS TO HIRE MORE SECURITIES.
UH, ONE THING LEADS TO THE OTHER, THAT'S HOW THE CITY WOULD FEED.
AND THEN, UH, US AS A SMALL BUSINESS, WE CAN BRING IN JOBS TO THE CITY, UH, UH, MORE REVENUES TO THE CITY, MORE TAXES TO THE CITY.
AND ALL THESE, UH, ANCILLARY JOBS, ANCILLARY INCOME WOULD HELP CITY TO GROW AND DEVELOP.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE ACTUALLY.
AND MR. PE, MR. PATEL, I APOLOGIZE.
WHEN YOU FIRST CAME UP, I DIDN'T RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT YOU WERE THE APPLICANT.
SO WE TRADITIONALLY DO NOT PUT A
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THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ON THE APPLICANT.GIVE YOU MORE TIME TO STATE YOUR CASE, BUT ALSO TO GIVE THE COMMISSION AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
AT THIS TIME, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE, MS. PATEL, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANTED TO ADD? UH, BEFORE YOU TAKE A SEAT? WE HAVE DEVELOPED PROPERTIES AROUND THE DFW METROPLEX, UH, CLEVELAND, TEXAS, ALBERTO, UH, TWO IN FOREST HILL, ONE IN FORT WORTH.
UH, WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING BY THE RULES, BY THE REGULATIONS.
WE HAVE NOT CUT ANY SHORTCUTS.
WE INVITE, MATTER OF FACT, THE CITY INSPECTORS TO COME IN ANYTIME, UH, TWO OUR PROJECTS.
BY THAT WAY, TWO THINGS WOULD HAPPEN.
ONE, IF WE ARE DOING ANYTHING WRONG, THEY CAN CATCH US.
AND BY THAT WAY IT HELPS ME SAVE MONEY IN, IN THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTION.
NUMBER TWO, WE DO AS PER THE CITY REQUIREMENTS ARE BY THAT WAY, THERE IS NO OTHER BUT AND IFS.
UM, I THINK MORE THAN THAT, UH, GENERATING REVENUE FOR THE CITY WOULD BE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE CITY CAN UH, HAVE FROM THIS AS WELL.
THANK YOU MR. PATEL, FOR THE RECORD.
YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF THIS AGENDA ITEM.
YOU DO HAVE CHAIR, UH, MR. PATEL, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU WERE CATERING TO EXTENDED STAY PATRON? NO, WE ARE NOT.
SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO TELL YOU IS THIS IS A TRANSIENT HOTEL WE HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY KITCHENS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO WHEN, WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT THE, THE CRIME INCREASES BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STAYING THERE FOR EXTENDED PERIOD OR SO, THIS HOTEL IS UH, NOT CATERING TO ANY OF THOSE CLIENTS.
THE RESTAURANT, IS THAT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? YES.
OR IS THAT JUST SPECIFICALLY FOR THE HOTEL GUESTS? ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO COME AND GIVE US MONEY WILL TAKE IT.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS HAND NONE MR. PATEL, UH, YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS AGENDA ITEM, IS THAT CORRECT? YES SIR.
IF, IF I RAISE 10 FINGERS, WOULD THERE BE 10 WORDS? UH, NO.
AND THE LAST COMMENT CARD I HAVE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM IS, UH, TONY MORRIS.
ALRIGHT, MS. MORRIS, IF YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE SIR, UH, STATE YOUR NAME, ALSO YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
HELLO, TONY MORRIS SOTO, RESIDENCE RESIDENT.
I'M TRYING TO FORGOT HOW WORD IS.
THE HOTELS, Y'ALL DO GET, Y'ALL NOTICED THAT MOST OF OUR KIDS AND MOST OF THE OLDER ADULTS ON 53 GO TO NORTH SIDE OF TOWN TO EAT AND ENJOY ROOFTOP POOLS.
IT APPEARS THAT THEY COME HERE FOR TAX REASONS AND JOBS.
I WOULD SAY THIS, NOT TRYING TO BE RACIAL, BUT A LOT OF INDIAN PEOPLE WHO OWN THESE HOTELS COME HERE BECAUSE THEY KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO PROVE IT.
NOW, HE SAID BENEFIT THE PUBLIC FAR AS EMPLOYMENT.
YOU DIDN'T ASK WAS HE PAYING $15, $15 AN HOUR, WAS HE PAYING ABOVE A CERTAIN RATE? WAS ARE QUESTIONS? IF HE GOING TO SELL THAT, WELL HE SHOULD SAY, WELL, I'M PAYING 15, $20 AN HOUR FOR SOME OF THEM JOBS, BUT YOU'RE NOT PAYING THAT.
AND THIS COMMUNITY TENDS TO, LIKE THEY SAID EARLIER, PEOPLE THROW STUFF AT US BECAUSE WE THIRSTY.
AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M, I'M LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT? IT WOULD BE NICE WITH THE SOTO HAT OR A ROOFTOP, UM, A BAR, A ROOFTOP SWIMMING POOL.
EVEN THOUGH I LIVE HERE, I WILL GO ME PAYING MONEY TO GO.
I'M GONNA SAY NO TO IT, BUT I KNOW IT'S GONNA GET APPROVED BECAUSE HE FOUGHT ALL THE DIRECTION, HE FOUGHT ALL THE REGULATIONS JUST FOR THE FUTURE.
THE NEXT TIME A HOTEL COME HERE, ASK FOR THOSE AMENITIES.
I DON'T KNOW IF ANY NOBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY ASK FOR KNOW THOSE AMENITIES, BUT THAT'S WHERE I GO.
MY MONEY DON'T COME INTO SOTO WHEN I SPEND MY MONEY.
IT GOES TO NORTH DALLAS OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
WE'LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AT 7:38 PM TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1 5 2 4 DASH 24, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTARY MR. DALE? YES, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR MS. RAZZI.
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UH, YES, MS. RAZZI, I JUST, UM, THEY HAVE, UM, PROVIDED THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING ARE OVER AND BEYOND WHAT ARE EXPECTED, THE, THE RESTAURANT, THE POOL AND EVERYTHING.WHAT CHECKS AND BALANCES DO WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT WE ENSURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROVIDING IN THIS FACILITY, THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE AT THE HOTEL? GREAT QUESTION.
I ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE ASK THE SAME QUESTION.
SO WHEN THEY GET THERE, CERTIFIC TO FORE KEEPINGS BECAUSE WHAT IS GONNA HAPPEN IS THAT WHEN THEY GO FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS, THEY WILL HAVE TO USE THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THAT SITE.
AND UH, SO THEY CANNOT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING LESS THAN WHAT IS SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO FOR THEM TO GET THE CO THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE WHAT WAS APPROVED AT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION OR ON THEIR SITE PLAN, WHICH THEY GET FROM PLANNING DIVISION.
ONE OTHER QUESTION BECAUSE WE'VE HAD A CASE COME TO US.
OH, SIMILAR TO THE QUESTION I'M GETTING READY TO ASK YOU.
IF THEY'RE BUILDING THE HOTEL AND SOMEHOW THE MEETING ROOM IS LEFT OUT OF THE PLAN AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROVING.
AND IF IT'S NOT THERE, DO THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO COME BACK, SEEK A DEVIATION AFTER IT'S ALREADY STARTED BUILDING? BUT IF THEY DON'T DO IT ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO OPEN THAT HOTEL.
WELL, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE TO SUBMIT, UH, ONE OF THE, UM, IT WAS GOING TO BE TOO MANY SLIDES, BUT THEY DID HAVE, UH, GIVE US THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THIS HOTEL AND IT WAS SHOWING ALL THE AMENITIES THAT WE DID ASK FOR THAT.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, MS. BROOKS, MS. RAZZI, CAN YOU SPECIFICALLY POINT OUT WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS ON THIS SITE PLAN? I DIDN'T SEE IT.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S ON THE FLOOR PLAN.
THE SITE, THE SITE PLAN WILL NOT SHOW YOU THE INTERIOR OF THE HOTEL.
IT'S IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE IF SHE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT.
IT'S ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS, IT'S GONNA SHOW THE FIRST FLOOR.
SO NOT ONLY ARE WE ISSUING A PERMIT BASED ON WITH THE SITE PLAN, IT'S ALSO THE FLOOR PLAN WITH CONFIRMING THAT ALL OF THOSE AMENITIES HAVE BEEN BUILT AS WELL.
A PART OF THE, WHEN THEY APPLY FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMIT, UH, MY BUILDING INSPECTION DEPARTMENT WOULD BE THE TEAM THAT GOES OUT AND INSPECTS TO ENSURE IT'S BEING BUILT PER THE PLANS.
THE PLANS WILL NEED TO SHOW THE MEETING ROOM ALL THE, UH, OTHER ROOMS THAT IT IDENTIFIED, THEY WOULD'VE TO SIGN ON THAT BEFORE THEY RELEASE THEM FROM THEIR BUILDING PERMIT.
THEN THE NEXT PHASE WOULD BE THE GETTING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY AND MY PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS A PHASE ON THERE.
THEY'LL HAVE TO BE SURE THAT ALL LANDSCAPING AND THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS ARE IN PLACE.
I HEARD THE APPLICANT TALK ABOUT TRYING TO FIND A RESTAURANT, UH, FOR THE HOTEL.
IS THERE SOME TYPE OF CABIN YOU WANT TO ANSWER? YES.
NO, HE WAS REFERRING TO THAT PHASE TWO AREA.
THE RETAIL PART, THIS, THIS PORTION RIGHT HERE.
BUT THE HOTEL ITSELF, THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT WITH A BAR.
IT'S A REQUIREMENT AT LEAST FOR A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT WITHIN THE HOTEL.
IS THERE A REQUIREMENT THAT IT HAS TO REMAIN OPEN? I THINK IT SHOULD REMAIN OPEN BECAUSE IT IS PART AND PARCEL OF WHAT THE PD 20 REQUIRES A RESTAURANT.
YES, I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT IS APPROVED FOR THIS ENTIRE SITE HAVE THOSE REQUIREMENTS, THE HOTEL, THE OTHER AMENITIES.
AND SO IF THEY DO NOT KEEP IT OPEN, THEN THEY ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING AND OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OPERATIONS SHOULD THEN, UM, GET WITH THEM INITIAL CITATIONS AND NON-COMPLIANCE CITATIONS UP TO SHUTTING IT DOWN UNTIL, WELL, THE CITATIONS THAT THEY WRITE WOULD THEN TAKE THEM TO OUR MUNICIPAL COURT AND IT'D BE THE MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE WHO MAKES A RULING ON WHAT THE CITATION SHOULD BE, WHETHER IT'S A MONETARY OR WHAT ACTION THAT IS TOTALLY THE JUDGE'S ACTION.
I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE IS THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING SOME TYPE OF BAIT AND SWITCH, UH, PROPOSAL THAT WE APPROVE BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MET IN SIX MONTHS DOWN THE LINE.
THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE NO LONGER ACTIVE.
SO IF WE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN, I DON'T KNOW HOW OFTEN WE ARE DOING INSPECTIONS, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD MAKE, THAT WOULD START TO, UH, MAKE THE COMMUNITY, UM, HAVE A LITTLE MORE TRUST IN THE PROCESS.
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YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT THAT AND WELL, BUT A PART OF THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT'S NOT A PART OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, SO I CANNOT SPEAK ON ANOTHER DEPARTMENT'S BEHALF IS THAT INITIAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE HAVE DEALING WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.BUT THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND HE WOULD BE THE, THE REPRESENTATIVE WHO SPEAKS WITH THE POLICE CHIEF WHO CODE ENFORCEMENT IS CURRENTLY UNDER.
I GUESS THE ONLY LEEWAY THAT WE HAVE IN PLANNING IS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE FLOOR PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO US, THAT SHOWS US ALL THESE AREAS, THE AMENITIES IS THE SAME FLOOR PLAN THAT OUR BUILDING INSPECTIONS IS WORKING WITH.
AND WHEN THEY GO TO DO WHATEVER THEY HAVE TO GO AND DO, LIKE MR. BREWER SAYS, THEY MAKE SURE ALL THOSE THINGS ARE IN PLACE.
CAESAR MS. RAZZI, UH, EARLIER DID I HEAR YOU SAY THAT ON THE RETAIL PORTION YOU ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT, AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. PATEL, WHAT IS GOING INTO THE STRUCTURES THERE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WHAT IS TO OCCUPY THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE RETAIL WISE? I HEARD RESTAURANT, BUT ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU ARE AWARE OF? NOT THAT, WHICH I'M AWARE OF.
AS YOU SAID THAT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, THEY MAY BE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT LIKE I SAID, AGAIN, THIS PD ALLOWS RETAIL USES BY RIDE.
SO, UM, USE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH PARKING THAT IS RETAIL CAN COME IN HERE, BUT AT THE MOMENT I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY AND, UH, THE APPLICANT MAY BE THE BEST PERSON TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
ALRIGHT, MR. PATEL, IF YOU COME BACK UP PLEASE.
MS. CAESAR HAS A, A QUESTION OR TWO FOR YOU? YES, YES.
COULD YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR ME PLEASE, SIR? SO DEFINITELY, SO WE ARE PRIMARILY, UH, HOTELIER.
SO OUR JOB IS TO DO THE HOTEL FIRST.
UH, IF I DON'T GET ANY APPROVAL FOR THE HOTEL, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE OWN THE LAND, BUT WE MIGHT PROBABLY SELL THE LAND TO SOMEBODY, UH, OR DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT.
SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS LAND AND WHEN WE HAVE THE ACCESS LAND, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF ACTUALLY HAVING MORE DEVELOPMENT COMING IN THAN JUST DOING A HOTEL THERE.
SO INITIALLY TO, TO EXPLAIN YOU HOW ALL THAT CONCEPT CAME ABOUT IS THAT HAVING THAT EXTRA SPACE AND RIGHT ON THE UH, UH, WINTER GREEN ROAD, WE CAN ACTUALLY MAXIMIZE THAT SPACE AND WE THOUGHT WE CAN KEEP THAT OPEN, HAVING US IN THE BACK.
SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD COME IN IN THE FRONT AND WE CAN HAVE RESTAURANT, WE CAN HAVE, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE RETAIL, WE ARE LOOKING AT PROBABLY LIKE A, A GOOD SIZE, UH, UH, SHOPPING CENTER, KIND OF WHERE SOME RESTAURANT CAN COME IN OR SOME OTHER STORES CAN COME IN, UH, RIGHT.
BUT LIKE I SAID, OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO TRY TO GET THE RESTAURANT BECAUSE WE WANT TO HAVE THE SYNERGY WITH SOMETHING WE BRING IN THAT CAN ALSO HELP US WITH OUR BUSINESSES, UH, AS WELL IN THE FUTURE.
YES, MR. PATEL, BEFORE YOU LEAVE NO PROBLEM.
UM, CAN YOU, BEFORE I SPEAK, THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THESE QUESTIONS.
CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT, UH, YOUR PROJECTED RATES ARE FOR YOUR ROOMS? SURE, DEFINITELY.
UH, COUNTRY AND SUITE IS, UH, IS A HOTEL CHAIN THAT IS OWNED BY CHOICE HOTELS.
CHOICE HOTELS OWNS COMFORT SUITES, WHICH IS RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
THE COUNTRY NET SUITES HAS PURCHASED REDON AND COUNTRY NET SUITES.
UH, RECENTLY THEY ARE PROJECTING, UH, COUNTRY NET SUITES TO BE HIGHER IN THE CATEGORY WISE THAN UH, COMFORT SUITES.
UH, COMFORT SUITES RIGHT NOW IN, IN, UH, THIS IS CHARGING 120 550 DEPENDS ON A DAY, AND THEN WE WOULD BE PRETTY MUCH IN LINE OR MAYBE ABOVE THEM.
UM, FOR THE, UH, THE JOBS THAT YOU SAY WOULD BE GENERATED BY THE BUILDING OF THIS, UH, THIS PLAN HERE, UM, CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF WAGE SURE.
THIS WOULD BE PAID TO EMPLOYEES.
SOME GENTLEMEN TRIED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT.
UH, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, WE ARE MARKET DRIVEN.
IF, IF THE MINIMUM WAGE IS 10 50, $11 AN HOUR, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE, WE CAN PAY THAT BECAUSE NOBODY WILL COME AND WORK THE HOTELS WE HAVE CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, WE ARE LITERALLY PAYING 14, 15, $17 AN HOUR.
SO IN TODAY'S MARKET, THE PROFIT MARGIN FOR THE OWNERS HAVE SHRINK DRASTICALLY AND WE ARE TRYING TO ADJUST ALL THAT OVERALL BECAUSE OF THE, UH, WAGES AND ALL THAT HAVE THAT HAS GONE UP, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE COVID.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR YOUR QUESTION TO THE GENTLEMAN'S QUESTION, UH, YOU ARE LOOKING AT 14 PLUS 15 PLUS, DEPENDS BY THE TIME YOU OPEN, UH, WHAT THE MARKET DEMANDS IN THAT AREA.
AND WHEN I SAY 14 AND 15, THIS WOULD
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BE FOR PROBABLY THE LOWEST.WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MAINTENANCE, THEY'RE USUALLY MAKING ABOUT 18, $19 AN HOUR.
UH, GMS UH, GENERAL MANAGERS, ASSISTANT GENERAL MANAGERS, THEY USUALLY MAKE QUITE A BIT ANYWAY.
I, UM, RELATIVE TO THE RATE FOR THE ROOM AND YOU WERE SAYING, IS IT GONNA BE 150 MORE OR WITHIN THE RANGE OF THE COMFORT? NO, ABOUT $150 A NIGHT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU SIR.
AND I CAN PROBABLY, CAN I, CAN I ADDRESS ONE OF YOUR QUESTION? SURE.
SO WE HAVE, GIVEN THE DRAWINGS TO THE CITY, THE CITY WOULD HAVE THE TOTAL BLUEPRINT AND WE HAVE TO BUILD THE PROPERTY ACCORDING TO THE BLUEPRINT.
THAT MEANS EVERYTHING THAT WE GIVE TO THE CITY WOULD BE, UH, UH, UH, APPROVED BY THE CITY, WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY US.
AND WHATEVER THE CITY WANTS TO MAKE ANY CHANGES AND WHATNOT, IT WOULD BE MADE ALL THOSE BEFORE THEY CAN GIVE US A PERMIT TO BUILD.
ONCE WE BUILD THAT, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS BILLED ACCORDING TO WHAT THE PLANS HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
THAT INCLUDES YOUR MEETING ROOM, THAT INCLUDES YOUR, UH, UH, RESTAURANT INSIDE THE BUILDING.
THAT INCLUDES YOUR UH, BAR, THAT INCLUDES YOUR SWIMMING POOL, UH, UH, UH, ROOMS, ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE GIVEN.
THEN ONLY WE GET THE PERMIT, UH, I MEAN A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY TO OPEN AND OPERATE THE PROPERTY AFTER THAT.
SO EVERYTHING WOULD BE THERE AT ONCE? YES MA'AM.
ALRIGHT COMMISSIONER, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION AS IT PERTAINS TO ZONING CASE Z DASH 1524 DASH 24? IS THERE A MOTION MS. BROOKS? GO RIGHT AHEAD.
REGARDING CASE NUMBER Z 1 5 24 DASH 24, IS THAT THE RIGHT ONE? MM-HMM.
OKAY, THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MS. BROOKS FOR APPROVAL.
IS THERE ANY UN READINESS HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM,
[2. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council for an applicant's request to rezone a 6.1815-acre tract of land legally described as being Block A, Lot 3 in the Townsend Square Addition (901 N Polk Street) from existing General Retail (GR) to a new Planned Development (PD) with base zoning of General Retail with additional Commercial-1 (C-1) uses and a request for deviation from Section 38.6 "Parking Requirements Based on Use" to utilize the existing number of parking spaces for all future tenants. The applicant is Alison Edwards and property owner Erik Fulkerson. (Zoning Case No. Z-1520-24).]
WHICH IS AGENDA ITEM D TWO, WHICH IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REZONE A 6.1815 ACRE TRACK OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING BLOCK A LIE THREE IN THE TOWN SQUARE EDITION 9 0 1 NORTH PARKS POLK STREET, UH, FROM EXISTING GENERAL RETAIL TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH BASED ZONING OF GENERAL RETAIL WITH ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ONE C ONE USES AND A REQUEST FOR DEVIATION FROM SECTION 38 6 PARKING REQUIREMENTS BASED ON USE TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING NUMBER OF PARKING SPACE FOR ALL FUTURE TENANTS.THE APPLICANT IS ALLISON EDWARDS AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS ERIC F UH, SSON.
UH, THIS IS ZONING CASE NUMBER Z DASH 15 20 24 AND MS. MOON, MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? CASE NUMBER Z 15 20 24 IS A REQUEST FOR A NEW PLANT DEVELOPMENT WITH GENERAL RETAIL SPACE ZONING WITH ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL ONE USES AND A REQUEST TO D TO DEVIATE FROM THIS FROM SECTION 38.6.
PARKING REQUIREMENTS BASED ON USE, THE CURRENT ZONING IS GENERAL RETAIL AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH POLK STREET AND NORTH OF PRESENT RUN ROAD.
IT IS ADDRESSED, IT'S NINE ZERO NORTH POLK STREET AND APPROXIMATELY 6.2 ACRES.
AND THE ADJACENT USES INCLUDE TO THE NORTH THERE IS A TOWNSEND PARK TO THE SOUTH IS A CHURCH TO THE EAST IS TOWNSEND SHOPPING CENTER STRIP TO THE WEST IS A CHURCH AND A SINGLE AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
AND THE AREA IN RED IS THE SITE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S NOT THE WHOLE, UH, SHOPPING STRIP, BUT HALF OF IT.
THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE NEWLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR NEIGHBOR WOULD MIX THE USE.
THE PROPOSED USE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE END USE PLAN OF THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING COMMERCIAL ONE ADDITIONAL USES SUCH AS AMUSEMENT OCCURRED AMUSEMENT, COMMERCIAL INDOOR OR ICE RING SPORTS FACILITY, INDOOR FITNESS SCHOOL, BUSINESS, SCHOOL BUSINESS AND OR TRADE SCHOOL MEDICAL LABORATORY, USED CLOTHING STORE
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OR FURNITURE POSTER SHOP.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING ALSO REQUESTING TO DEVIATE FROM THE REQUIRED PARKING BASED BASED ON USE.
THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL ONE USES ARE USES THAT ARE OVER AND BEYOND USES THAT US THAT PROVIDES SURROUNDING RESIDENTS WITH DAILY GOODS AND SERVICES AS DESCRIBED IN THE 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IN ADDITION, THE APPLICANTS REQUESTED COMMERCIAL ONE USES SUCH AS INDOOR FITNESS GENERATED LARGE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, WHICH IS THE MAJOR CONCERN WHEN THIS COMMERCIAL ONE USE IS ADDED TO THE EXISTING SHOPPING PLAZA.
DIFFERENT LAND USES GENERATE DIVERSE LEVELS OF TRAFFIC WHICH DETERMINE PARKING REQUIREMENTS TO AVOID PARKING AND TRAFFIC ISSUES.
STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR RELIEF FROM THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THIS IS THE PROVIDED SITE PLAN.
AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S PORTION OF, UH, DATA SHOPPING CENTER WHICH IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED.
THAT'S THE ONLY AREA THAT WE ARE THAT IS BEING CONSIDERED FOR A NEW PLANT DEVELOPMENT.
THE REMAINING AREA IS THE, IS AN EXISTING PD 1 62 AND IT'S, IT'S NOT UNDER CONSIDERATION AT THIS POINT.
THIS IS THE AREA OF VIEW OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, SHOPPING CENTER AND PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN DAILY FOCUS NEWS ON JUNE 9TH, 2024 AND STAFF MAILED 31 NOTICES AND ONE LETTER WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PD.
AND THIS LETTER IS FROM THIS, THIS, UH, AREA THAT, OR THAT IS THE CHURCH TO THE SOUTH.
THEY ARE, THEY'RE NOT IN SUPPORT OF THIS, UH, NEW PD AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF APPROVAL FOR THE APPLICANT'S NEW PD REQUEST WITH GENERAL RETAIL AS THE BEST ZONING WITH THE ADDITIONAL REQUESTED COMMERCIAL ONE USES.
HOWEVER, STAFF IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE REQUEST TO DEVIATE FROM OR RELIEF FROM, UM, PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY, CITY ORDINANCE.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
SO LET ME JUST SUMMARIZE WHAT IS HAPPENING.
SO THE APPLICANT IS ASKING TO ADD SOME USES RIGHT NOW THIS PROPERTIES, UM, ZONED GENERAL RETAIL SO THEY CAN DO ANY RETAIL WITHIN THIS PLAZA RIGHT NOW.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REQUESTING THAT THEY AID THESE USES WHICH ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL ONE.
THE THESE USES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN CO IN GENERAL RETAIL, WHICH IS WHAT THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED RIGHT NOW.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY ALLOWED IN GENERAL RETAIL WITH SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND YOU, UM, THERE IS AN ATTACHMENT THAT YOU GOT THAT IS UH, UM, LAND USES AS WELL AS UH, UM, UH, PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE USES.
SO THIS IS WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR A PD FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO ADD THESE USES THAT ARE ONLY ALLOWED IN COMMERCIAL ONE AND ALLOWED IN GENERAL RETAIL WITH A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
SO IF THIS, UM, UM, PDS APPROVED, THEY CAN BE ABLE TO DO THIS, TO HAVE THESE USES IN THAT PLAZA.
SO STAFF IS SAYING THAT, UH, WE WANT TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE FLEXIBILITY TO ADD THE USES HOWEVER THEY ARE REQUESTING THAT.
UH, WE DON'T LOOK AT THE PARKING WHENEVER THEY COME IN AND WANT TO PUT SAY, YES SIR, A GYM STAFF DON'T LOOK AT THE PARKING.
WE ARE OKAY AS IT IS WE ARE GONNA MAKE DUE.
BUT STAFF IS SAYING, HAVING SEEN SOME ISSUES WITH PARKING, ESPECIALLY WITH USES LIKE A GYM STAFF IS NOT IN SUPPORT OF, UH, THAT OPEN CHECK FOR PARKING.
WE WANT YOU TO COME JUST LIKE WE ARE DOING NOW AT THE, THAT WE ARE THE STANDARD THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE EACH AND EVERY NEW USE THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, WE LOOK AT THE PARKING TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THAT USE WHEN IT'S ADDED, ESPECIALLY AN EXISTING SHOPPING CENTER THAT USE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH PARKING FOR ALL THE OTHER USE BECAUSE WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS HAPPENING.
PLUS IF YOU ADD THIS USE, ARE WE STILL GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH PARKING IS REQUIRED BY OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO STAFF IS SAYING THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE, EVEN THOUGH WE ALLOW YOU TO, WHENEVER YOU HAVE SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO, TO DO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AMUSEMENT COMMERCIAL, INDOOR, WE ARE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA COME, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS HAPPENING.
WE ARE GONNA LOOK AT YOUR PARKING.
IS THIS USE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS IF IT'S NOT GOING TO
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MEET THE PARENTING REQUIREMENTS? STUFF IS SAYING NO, WE'LL NOT ALLOW YOU TO DO THAT.SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT WE ARE SAYING, YES, WE ARE GOING TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE ALL THESE USES IN YOUR, IN YOUR, IN YOUR, IN YOUR TOOLBOX IN CASE SOMEONE COMES AND YOU, YOU ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM.
WE DON'T WANT TO LIMIT BUSINESS BUSINESS, HOWEVER, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS GONNA COME AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SO THAT WE AVOID SITUATIONS THAT THE CITY HAS SEEN WITH OTHER, OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS WHERE THEY HAVE, UM, ESPECIALLY, UM, A GYM OR SPORTS FACILITY.
SO THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.
WE WANT YOU TO GO AHEAD IF IT IS YOU FIND IT FIT TO APPROVE THIS ADDITIONAL USES STAFF IS STAYING AS FAR AS AN OPEN CHECK FOR PARKING.
NO, WE CANNOT GRANT YOU THAT AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE YOU AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
UM, I I JUST HAVE ONE BASIC QUESTION IS REGARDING THE ADDITION.
THE ADDITION OF C ONE MM-HMM
WE HAVE TO COME BEFORE PLANNING AND ZONING, THEN YOU GUYS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE'LL GO BEFORE CITY COUNCIL FOR BEFORE THEY CAN DO THESE USES.
LEMME GIVE YOU ONE CLARIFICATION.
THAT'S WHY WE PUT THIS IN YOUR PACKAGE.
THE ROLLER RING, THE ROLLER ICE SKATING RINK IS NOT ALLOWABLE USE IN GENERAL RETAIL.
ALL OF THE OTHER USAGES REQUIRE SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IN GENERAL RETAIL, ALL OF THEM ARE A PERMITTED, PERMITTED USE BY RIGHT IN THE C ONE.
I JUST WANNA PROVIDE CLARIFICATION.
ALL OF THOSE USAGES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN GENERAL RETAIL.
THEY ARE ALLOWED WITH A PACIFIC USE PERMIT, BUT THE ROLL RING IS NOT OKAY.
SO THERE'S ONE THING THAT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE GENERAL RETAILING AND THAT'S THE ROLL RING.
ALL THE OTHER THINGS COULD BE ALLOWED IF THEY COME IN FOR A SPECIFIC, IF WE WERE TO PROVE IT THROUGH SPECIFIC CORRECT CASE BY CASE BASIS.
THAT, THAT'S ALL I NEEDED TO KNOW.
UH, MS. RAZZI IS THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT? YES.
AND CAN YOU KIND OF TELL US WHAT BASED ON USE ACTUALLY MEANS IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS REQUEST? YES.
SO WE, WE DID ALSO ATTACH OUR, UM, OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
SO WITH EACH AND EVERY USE, THERE ARE SOME USES, LIKE I CAN SAY FOR, FOR RETAIL IT'S ONE SPACE FOR 200 SQUARE FEET AND THERE ARE SOME OTHERS THAT ARE GENERAL OFFICE.
IT COULD BE ONE, ONE SPACE PER 300.
SO THERE'S DIFFERENT, DEPENDING ON THE USE, SOME USES GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC THAN OTHERS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DO HAVE, UH, EACH AND EVERY USE WHENEVER IT COMES, WE CALCULATE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, THE PARKING SPACES ARE, ARE MET DEPENDING ON THE USE.
AND IF WE GRANTED C ONE IN THAT AREA, IT WOULDN'T, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THAT CHECK FOR THEM TO COME BEFORE US FOR EACH SPECIFIC USE, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE SAYING THAT YES, YOU SAY YOU THESE USES ARE GRANTED TONIGHT.
HOWEVER, WHEN IT COMES TO IF THEY HAVE A, A CLIENT WHO WANTS TO DO ONE OF THOSE USES, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT, UH, PARKING IS CHECKED.
THIS IS WHY WE ARE SAYING NO TO AN OPEN CHECK FOR PARKING.
UH, A COUPLE OF THESE USES AMUSEMENT ARCADE AND AMUSEMENT COMMERCIAL INDOOR.
COULD INDOOR GAMING OR GAMBLING FALL UNDER THOSE SIGNS? I AM NOT VERY WELL VERSED WITH THOSE THINGS.
AND YOU DID SAY IT WAS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CHURCH, IS THAT CORRECT? SORRY? THERE IS A CHURCH IN THE SAME, YES, THERE'S THE CHURCH ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UH, CAN WE GET THAT INFORMATION ON? WE ARE RIGHT SIDE HERE, WHETHER OR NOT THE GAMING COULD FALL UNDER THOSE TITLES.
IS THERE A, HOW DO WE GET THAT INFORMATION? WE WOULD DEFINITELY HAVE TO LOOK THAT UP.
WE COULDN'T GIVE YOU A, A SOLID ANSWER RIGHT NOW.
MAYBE THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO IS JUST TO READ THE DESCRIPTION, THE DESCRIPTION UNDER, UNDER OUR DEFINITIONS.
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I THOUGHT WE ARE A TEAM JUST TO READ AMUSEMENT COMMERCIAL INDOOR, BY THE CITY'S DEFINITION, IT READS AN AMUSEMENT ENTERPRISE WHOLLY ENCLOSED IN A BUILDING WHICH IS TREATED ACOUSTICALLY.SO THAT NOISE GENERATED BY THE ENTERPRISE IS NOT PERCEPTION AT THE BOUNDARY PROPERTY LINE AND INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO A BOWLING ALLEY OR BILLARD POLLARD PARLOR.
ALL RIGHT, MS. BROOKS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO, UH, SLIDE NUMBER FIVE? AND THIS QUESTION MAY BE, UH, MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE APPLICANT, BUT BASED ON THE REQUEST, DO YOU HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OF WHAT THE VISION IS FOR THIS SITE? THESE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT USES.
SO WHAT IS THE VISION OR SHOULD I ASK THE APPLICANT WHEN THEY COME UP? WELL, YEAH, I MEAN THE APPLICANT CAN COME AND MAYBE GIVE YOU MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION, BUT MY, MY MY THOUGHTS, I MEAN, IS, IS A PLANNER, IS THAT, UH, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE ALLOWABLE USES SO THAT IF SOMEONE COMES, THEY'RE NOT LIMITED.
SO THEY ARE THINKING THAT THIS WILL, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM MORE, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, CLIENTS WHO MAY WANT TO COME AND DO THIS, THIS KINDS OF BUS BUSINESS, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE NOT CURRENTLY ALLOWED RIGHT NOW.
SO THIS WILL GIVE THEM, YOU KNOW, A LOT TO USE WHENEVER SOMEONE COMES THEN.
I'LL, I'LL ASK THE APPLICANT FOR FURTHER.
I ALSO WANNA IDENTIFY THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT.
UH, AND LET ME ALSO READ ANOTHER DEFINITION, WHICH IS, UH, THE AMUSEMENT ARCADE.
I THINK IT MAY ADDRESS, UH, COMMISSIONER WHAT YOU ARE INQUIRING ABOUT AMUSEMENT ARCADE, ALSO CALLED VIDEO ARCADE.
THE DEFINITION READS ANY BUILDING ROOM, PLACE OR ESTABLISHMENT OF ANY NATURE, A KIND AND BY WHATEVER NAME CALLED WHERE MORE THAN 10% OF THE PUBLIC FLOOR AREA IS DEVOTED TO THREE OR MORE AMUSEMENT DEVICES OPERATED FOR A PROFIT.
WHETHER THE SAME BE OPERATED IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANY OTHER BUSINESS OR NOT INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, EXCUSE ME, SUCH AM AMUSEMENT DEVICES AS COIN OPERATED PINBALL MACHINES, VIDEO GAMES, ELECTRIC, ELECTRONIC GAMES, SHUFFLEBOARDS POOLS, TABLES, OR OTHER SIMILAR AM MUSIC AMUSEMENT DEVICES PROVIDED.
HOWEVER, THE TERM AMUSEMENT DEVICE AS USED HERE IN SHOULD NOT INCLUDE MUSICAL DEVICES, BILLIARD TABLES, WHICH ARE NOT COIN OPERATED MACHINES DESIGNED EXCLUSIVELY FOR CHILDREN AND DEVICES DESIGNED TO TRAIN PERSONS IN ATHLETIC SKILLS OR GOLF, TENNIS, BASEBALL OR ARCHERY OR OTHER SIMILAR SPORTS.
ALRIGHT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND CNN, WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AT 8:08 PM TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA.
ITEM CASE NUMBER Z DASH FIVE 20 DASH 24, UH, THE APPLICANT.
IF YOU ARE HERE OR HEARD YOU HAVE A POWER PRESENTATION, IF YOU WANNA COME FORWARD, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU DO COME FORWARD, YOU CAN GIVE YOUR PRESENTATION AS WELL AS SUBJECT YOURSELF, UH, TO QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU WOULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
AND JUST TO CORRECT THE RECORD, I'M NOT THE OWNER.
I HAVE BEEN, UH, PRIVILEGED TO BE THE ASSET MANAGER FOR THE PROPERTY SINCE THE CLIENT BOUGHT IT IN 2018.
UH, AND I WANTED TO JUST FIRST START BY SAYING THANK YOU TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
I'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU GUYS, YOU ARE REALLY LISTENING AND YOU SEEM TO HAVE OPEN MINDS ABOUT EVERYTHING TONIGHT.
AND LUCKILY MY PROJECT IS NOT NEARLY SO CONTROVERSIAL.
WE'VE GOT NO ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS, WE'VE GOT NONE OF THAT GOING ON HERE.
ALL WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE MORE RETAIL, UH, OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE, UH, COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR.
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AND UM, LEMME JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR THAT.UH, WE'RE ACTUALLY HERE PRIMARILY TO RESOLVE THE, UH, POTENTIAL PARKING ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING, UH, SINCE BEFORE BELLS UH, MOVED OUT, UH, DURING COVID.
AND, UM, FIRST I WANTED TO SAY THAT IT HAS BEEN GREAT.
WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THE CITY UP TO NOW HAS BEEN WONDERFUL.
WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY TO DO A RENOVATION TO THE PROPERTY, UH, USED SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UH, FUNDS, UH, THAT WERE OFFERED TO US.
AND, UH, I THINK WE'VE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS WITH THE CITY IN, UH, RENOVATING THE SHOPPING CENTER.
WE ADDED, UH, LET ME SHOW YOU SOME PICTURES REAL QUICK.
YOU CAN SEE THE CENTER WAS BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES AND IT HAD A DISTINCTLY EIGHTIES LOOK.
AND SINCE THEN WE ADDED CROWN MOLDING TO THE SHOPPING CENTER.
A A, UH, WE ADDED, UH, THE STONE, UH, COLUMN BASES.
WE REDID ALL THE LANDSCAPING, WE REDID THE LIGHTING AT THE PROPERTY, UH, ADDED SOME REALLY UNIQUE, UH, LIGHTING PACKAGES.
AND, UH, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE LANDSCAPING HERE.
UH, WE GOT RID OF SOME VERY, UH, OUTDATED LANDSCAPING.
UH, SOME OF US LOVE THAT OLD LANDSCAPING, BUT I THINK THIS IS MORE MODERN, IT'S MORE EFFECTIVE FOR, UH, REDUCING OUR FOOTPRINT ON THE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE, UH, NOW WE HAVE A, A CLEANER LANDSCAPE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE SO MUCH WATERING.
WE DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS WITH IRRIGATION RUNNING OVER AND ALL THAT, UH, SORT OF STUFF.
SO IT'S BEEN A MUCH MORE, I THINK, MODERN APPROACH.
AND, UM, YOU CAN SEE WE ADDED A LIGHTING PACKAGE TO THE GROUND CROWN MOLDING.
SO, UH, WHEN THE, UH, WHEN THE STARS WERE TRYING TO WIN THEIR THEIR CUP, WE HAD IT IN GREEN LIGHTS.
AND, UH, WHEN THE MAVERICKS MADE THEIR RUN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, WE HAD IT IN BLUE.
AND AT HALLOWEEN WE DO, UH, ORANGE AND PURPLE.
AND, AND SO WE TRY TO, UH, BUILD SOME COMMUNITY, UH, ENGAGEMENT BY, UH, DOING LIGHTING THAT MATCHES THE, THE SEASON.
AND SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S PRETTY, I I THINK IT'S BEEN A NICE ADDITION.
WE ALSO, AT THE, UH, REQUEST OF THE CITY, WE ADDED SOME WALKABILITY.
WE CHANGED SOME OF THE, UH, SIDEWALKS TO, TO PAVE STONES AND THAT SORT OF THING, WHICH MADE IT LOOK AND FEEL A LOT MORE APPROACHABLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE IS FIX THE PARKING.
WE FEEL LIKE THE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY TODAY WERE A LITTLE OUTDATED.
YOU KNOW, WHEN UH, WHEN THE PARKINGS WAS ESTABLISHED, UH, THE PARKING REGULATIONS WERE ESTABLISHED, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR COMMUNITIES WERE A LOT DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE TODAY.
THAT'S WHY WE ADDED THE WALKABILITY STUFF.
UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE BICYCLING THESE DAYS.
A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE DOING UBER AND LYFT AND THOSE OTHER THINGS SO THAT NOT EVERYBODY IS BRINGING ONE INDIVIDUAL CAR PER PERSON ANYMORE LIKE WE USED TO BE, UH, UH, USED TO HERE IN TEXAS, UH, WE'VE NOTICED THAT A LOT OF CITIES HAVE GOTTEN MORE UP TO DATE ON THAT.
AUSTIN AND DALLAS, BOTH, I THINK I READ RECENTLY, SEATTLE AND OTHER CITIES ARE ADOPTING, UH, YOU KNOW, A A MORE, UH, SHALL WE SAY LAISSEZ FAIR PARKING, UH, REQUIREMENT.
IN OTHER WORDS, THEY REMOVE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THEY LET THE MARKET DECIDE, UH, WHAT IS NEEDED.
AND I THINK, UH, LET ME CONTINUE ON HERE.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF A, UH, PARKING ANALYSIS TO KIND OF GET IN A LITTLE DEEPER TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS Y'ALL WERE ASKING A MINUTE AGO.
SO IN THIS EXAMPLE, UH, THE CENTER IS, IS SHORT ONLY 67 PARKING SPACES IN THE, UH, 336 THAT WE PROVIDE.
AND AS WE WERE SPEAKING, UH, THE CITY STAFF WAS TALKING EARLIER, EACH USE HAS TO BE DETERMINED AS TO WHAT NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IS REQUIRED FOR THAT USE UNDER RETAIL, UNDER THE RETAIL ZONING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
AND, UH, SO IF WE JUST DID A RETAIL, UH, REGULAR RETAIL ZONING AT ONE FOR 200, IN THE FIRST EXAMPLE FOR THE BATTLE SPACE, WHICH IS 30,000 FEET, UH, IT WOULD REQUIRE 200 PARKING SPACES, ROUGHLY, AND I MEAN 150 PARKING SPACES.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, EACH USE GETS, UH, PARTITIONED DIFFERENTLY.
AND SO, BY EXAMPLE HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT LESLIE'S POOL MART, ARE, ARE Y'ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE SHOPPING CENTER? DO Y'ALL KNOW WHICH SHOPPING CENTER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? YES.
I'M GONNA SHOW YOU, UM, LET ME SEE, DID I ALREADY PASS THE AERIAL? WHERE IS IT COMING UP? I SHOULD BE RIGHT BACK.
UM, SO RIGHT NOW, IF Y'ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH LESLIE'S POOL SUPPLY, I'VE BEEN IN ALL, I'VE GOT THREE SHOPPING CENTERS WITH LESLIE'S POOL SUPPLY IN THEM.
I'VE NEVER BEEN IN A LESLIE'S THAT, THAT HAD MORE THAN, UH, THREE OR FOUR CUSTOMERS
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IN IT AT A TIME.AND YET THIS PARKING CODE REQUIRES US TO HAVE 18 PARKING SPACES.
YOU KNOW, THAT JUST, THAT'S JUST SUCH OVERKILL.
IT'S, IT'S COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY.
AND, UH, LEMME SEE IF I CAN GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
UH, SO FOR INSTANCE, UH, THE DESOTO CHILDREN'S ACADEMY AT DAYCARE, 42 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THE, THAT THAT PARTICULAR USE IS BUSY BETWEEN SIX 30 AND SEVEN 30 IN THE MORNING WHEN PEOPLE ARE DROPPING OFF KIDS AND NOT A SINGLE OTHER PARKING SPACE IN THE WHOLE SHOPPING CENTER IS USED AT THAT TIME.
IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS TO REQUIRE 42 PARKING SPACES FOR TODDLERS.
I MEAN, THAT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.
YOU KNOW? YES, THEY DO HAVE A FEW STAFF THAT NEED PARKING SPACES FOR SURE, AND THEN YOU GOT PARENTS WHO ARE DROPPING OFF KIDS FOR THAT HOUR TIMEFRAME.
BUT TO REQUIRE 42 PARKING SPACES 24 7 FOR A DAYCARE USE JUST DOESN'T MAKE GOOD SENSE ANYMORE.
WE NEED TO UPDATE OUR PROGRAM HERE A LITTLE, I THINK.
Y'ALL, UH, MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO SEE IF IT, CAN I APPROACH FOR A SECOND? PLEASE, MR. IF YOU GET THAT TO THEM, JUST SHOW THEM THAT THAT'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE, SORRY, THAT'S AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE PARKING.
I DON'T THINK I HAVE A SLIDE ON THAT, THAT, BECAUSE IT, THE POINT JUST KIND OF CAME UP.
BUT THAT'LL SHOW YOU IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY.
YOU CAN TELL BY THE SHADOWS THAT IS, UH, THAT IT WAS TAKEN BY SATELLITE AT ABOUT, UH, IT APPEARS TO ME TO BE ABOUT 10, 10 OR 11 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE SHOPPING CENTER JUST ISN'T OCCUPIED.
IT'S, IT'S RIGHT OVERHEAD WHEN THE SATELLITE TOOK THE PICTURE.
SO, UH, UH, I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT 11 O'CLOCK AND, UH, WITH BELLS VACANT EVEN WHEN BELLS WAS THERE.
I MEAN, DID Y'ALL EVER SEE MORE THAN ABOUT 20 CARS IN THE PARKING LOT FOR THAT YET? WE'VE GOT 300, YES.
I, THAT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS AGO SINCE WE'VE HAD THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH BELLS BEING VACANT, THAT IS A, UH, $30,000 A MONTH DRAIN ON THE SHOPPING CENTER THAT WE'RE NOT INCURRING, UH, THAT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO $360,000 A YEAR.
IF YOU APPLY A CAP RATE OF 7%, WHICH IS KIND OF NORMAL IN TODAY'S MARKET.
THAT'S A $5.1 MILLION, UH, LOSS IN VALUE THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING BECAUSE OF THAT ONE SINGLE SPACE THAT ISN'T LEASED.
THE, UH, AND THEN WHEN YOU APPLY THE, UH, ROUGHLY A 2.65 CENT, UH, PROPERTY TAX, THAT MEANS WE'RE LOSING A HUNDRED.
THE CITY IS LOSING $136,000 A YEAR IN PROPERTY TAXES JUST ON THAT ONE SINGLE SPACE.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT THREE OR FOUR SPACES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE VACANT.
SO THAT IS WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR A LITTLE RELIEF FROM THE CITY ON THIS BASIS.
LEMME SEE IF I HAVE ANOTHER EXAMPLE FOR YOU.
IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE USE, UH, FROM, UH, SOME OTHER EXAMPLES HERE, IF WE WENT TO DO LIKE A RA RESTAURANT CATERING OR SOME OF THE, UH, OTHER USES THAT WE WERE SUGGESTING MIGHT BE, WE'D BE OPEN TO LIKE, UH, A SPORTING FACILITY OF SOME KIND.
I KNOW LIKE PICKLEBALL IS VERY, UH, UH, ENTERTAINING AND A AND A, A REAL DESIRE AMONG PEOPLE RIGHT NOW TO UTILIZE.
WERE WE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT? WELL, THAT'S NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE, BUT, UH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT EXAMPLE IN A MINUTE.
BUT IF WE HAD SOME OTHER SPORTING USE OR FITNESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THE, THE PARKING RATIO GOES UP CONSIDERABLY TO ONE, UH, TO 100.
AND THEN THE PARKING SPACES IS REQUIRED FOR THE, FOR THE BELL SPACE IS 301 PARKING SPACES IN, IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT REASONABLE? I JUST DON'T GET IT, GUYS.
UM, SO LEMME GO ON TO ANOTHER EXAMPLE HERE.
UH, HERE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PREVIOUS, UH, PROJECT WHERE WE WORKED WITH THE CITY.
AND, UH, I GUESS I'M OPEN TO QUESTIONS.
I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK NOW WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE I WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR EARLIER, UM, SOME OF THE CITY'S PRESENTATION, AND THAT WAS, UH, SOME OF THOSE USES.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING Y'ALL COULD BRING BACK UP, MR. BREWER? 'CAUSE I THINK THE, THE COMMISSIONERS ARE GONNA HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT.
SO AT THE TIME THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH THE CITY ON TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM, IT WAS ACTUALLY THE, UH, FORMER CITY MANAGER WHO SUGGESTED THIS AS A GREAT WAY TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE A TON OF PARKING THERE.
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HAVE A, A, UH, COOPERATIVE PARKING AGREEMENT AND AN EQUAL ASSETS AGREEMENT WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH I NOTICED WAS THE ONLY OPPOSITION TO OUR DOING THIS WAS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER.BUT WE HAVE A COOPERATIVE PARKING AGREEMENT WITH HIM.
SO WE GOT ALL OF HIS PARKING SPACES AND ALL OF OUR PARKING SPACES, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING TOGETHER FINE FOR YEARS.
AS FAR AS I KNOW, I'M, I'M UNAWARE OF ANY PROBLEM THAT WE'VE HAD IN TERMS OF, UH, HIS PEOPLE ARE WELCOME TO PARK ON OUR PROPERTY.
AND, AND I DON'T THINK OURS EVER PARK ON HIS 'CAUSE WE JUST HAVE A SEA OF PARKING IN FRONT OF BELLS.
BUT, UM, MY POINT IS, IS THAT AT THAT TIME WHEN WE MET MANY TIMES WITH THE CITY STAFF, THEY SAID, WELL, NOW'S THE TIME TO ASK FOR ANY USES THAT YOU THINK YOU WANT TO HAVE AT THE, AT THE FACILITY, AT OUR SHOPPING CENTER.
AND AS WE WERE LOOKING THROUGH THE VARIOUS CODE, UH, WE LOOKED AT GENERAL RETAIL AND WE LOOKED AT C ONE, AND THERE WERE A COUPLE OF USES IN C ONE THAT WE THOUGHT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE FOR THE SHOPPING CENTER.
IT'D BE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND THAT WAS THE ONES THAT WE LISTED HERE.
YOU KNOW, IF PEOPLE WANT AN ICE RINK, I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE ONE.
IF THEY WANT TO DO A, UH, YOU KNOW, A, A DR.
PEPPER STARS KIND OF A FACILITY OUT OF THIS, GREAT.
IF PEOPLE WANT TO DO, UH, WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT AMUSEMENT, I WAS THINKING MORE ALONG THE LINES OF, OF LIKE A THEATER OR SOMETHING.
IN FACT, I HEARD ANOTHER RESIDENT TONIGHT SAY THEY WANT A THEATER.
RIGHT NOW I COULDN'T POSSIBLY PARK A THEATER UNDER THE CURRENT CITY CODE.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME RELIEF ON THIS.
HERE'S, UH, SCHOOL OR BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF WE COULD CHANGE THIS TO MEDICAL, I WANT ANYTHING THAT'S GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY TO COME INTO THIS CENTER THAT CAN PAY A DECENT RENT.
AND SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR SOME, IF THERE'S A USE IN HERE THAT Y'ALL THINK IS JUST DELETERIOUS TO THE COMMUNITY, CROSS IT OUT.
I'M, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET SOME WAY TO GET THIS PROPERTY LEASED.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY TO HAVE IT BE VACANT.
IT'S NOT GOOD FOR TAXES, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR CRIME, IT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANYTHING TO HAVE IT BE SO VACANT AND FOR SUCH A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
UH, IF THERE ARE ANY USES ON HERE THAT Y'ALL REALLY THINK ARE A PROBLEM, AS FAR AS I KNOW, UM, SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO THE FITNESS USE, I DON'T, I AM UNAWARE OF A PROBLEM WITH FITNESS AT PLANET FITNESS.
I MEAN, THE OTHER PARKING LOT'S PRETTY FULL, BUT IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
I THINK WE'VE HAD A PROBLEM AT EOS.
UH, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT PROBLEM.
AND, UH, I THINK PART OF IT IS THE, THE MARKET WILL SOLVE THAT.
WERE WE TO PUT IN A FITNESS CENTER AT OUR SHOPPING CENTER, A WHOLE BUNCH OF THOSE PEOPLE OVER AT EOS MIGHT COME TO THIS PLACE THAT WOULD BE CHARGING A LITTLE LESS AND THEY COULD GET OUT OF THAT PARKING ISSUE BECAUSE WE CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE A PARKING ISSUE.
AND SO THE MARKET WILL DETERMINE THAT.
THE MARKET, IF, IF PEOPLE ARE SICK OF IT BEING OVER PARKED AT EOS, A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IS COME, COME, COME TO OUR PLACE.
SO I THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY SOLVE BOTH OF THOSE PROBLEMS BY ALLOWING A FITNESS CENTER IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, SHOPPING CENTER.
UM, WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL HAVE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND, UH, AGREEING TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT WE HAVE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY I ASKED STAFF EARLIER, IS THERE A VISION FOR THIS SITE? THERE'S A LOT OF USES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, BUT DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC VISION OR ARE YOU JUST TRYING TO, UM, LEASE THE VACANT SPACES AND LEAVE THE ONES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ACTIVE IN PLACE? WHAT EXACTLY ARE, CAN YOU EXPAND, EXPOUND ON THE VISION FOR THIS AREA? QUESTION.
ARCHITECTURALLY NOW AND AESTHETICALLY, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST LOOKING SHOPPING CENTER IN THE WHOLE CITY.
AND SO WE WOULD LIKE TO ELEVATE THE KIND OF TENANTS THAT WE HAVE IN THE SHOPPING CENTER.
UH, ONE GOOD EXAMPLE WAS WE, WE HAD, AND Y'ALL MAY HAVE LOVED THIS GUY, BUT, UH, WE HAD A GUY IN THERE THAT WAS A, UH, UH, BULLIES, UH, RESTAURANT.
UH, I DIDN'T THINK HIS, UH, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS UP TO SNUFF IN TERMS OF THE, THE, WHEN, WHEN WE CHANGED THE LOCKS ON THAT GUY BECAUSE HE BROKE HIS LEASE.
UH, AND I WENT IN AND INSPECTED THE PREMISES.
YOU KNOW, THERE WAS ALL KINDS OF HEALTH THINGS THAT I'M, I'M JUST EMBARRASSED THAT HE WAS CARRYING ON WITH.
UH, AND SO I THINK WE GOT A MUCH NICER OPERATOR IN THERE WITH THE COLOR PURPLE RESTAURANT.
I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL HAVE TRIED IT YET, BUT I THINK THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB.
AND I'VE BEEN IN THERE SINCE THEY STARTED.
AND IT'S REALLY CLEAN ON THE INSIDE.
THE, UH, FACILITY IS WONDERFUL AND
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THE OPERATOR IS GREAT.IF Y'ALL HAVEN'T TRIED IT, I WISH YOU WOULD.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN WONDERFUL TENANTS.
UM, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUE TO TRY AND BE AS SPECIFIC AS I CAN, WE WANT TO ELEVATE THE LEVEL OF TENANCY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I HAVE TO SATISFY MY CLIENTS WHO NEED INCOME.
AND SO I GOTTA LEASE THE SPACE.
I'M NOT GONNA LEASE IT TO JUST ANYBODY.
WE'VE TURNED SEVERAL TENANTS DOWN.
UH, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME USES IN, UH, THAT THAT WOULD BE VIABLE.
UH, SPECIFICALLY THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBER FOR THIS DISTRICT ASKED ME TO CHECK ON, UH, GETTING TARGET IN THERE.
AND TARGET DOES HAVE AN URBAN, UH, PLATFORM THAT THEY USE THAT'S ONLY ABOUT 20 TO 30,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND AT THIS TIME, THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT.
BUT IF THEY WERE TO DO IT, I COULDN'T PARK IT BASED ON THE CURRENT CITY CODE.
SO, UH, SO THAT IS REAL DISCOURAGING.
'CAUSE ANYBODY I TALK TO GOES, WELL, DO WE HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING? AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, FROM A PRACTICAL SENSE, WE GOT PLENTY OF PARKING FROM A CODE SENSE, NO.
AND THEN THEY TURN AND WALK AWAY AND GO TO SOME OTHER PROPERTY.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR US.
UH, AND TO TRY AND BE MORE SPECIFIC, WHEN TO CITY AND I HAD MEETINGS AT THE PROPERTY TALKING, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MAYOR WAS THERE.
WE HAD, UH, OTHER CITY STAFF THERE.
AND, UH, WHEN WE DISCUSSED WHAT THEIR VISION WAS, WHAT WOULD THEY LIKE TO SEE IN THE CENTER, EVERYBODY SAID, WE REALLY WANT SOME NICE RESTAURANTS.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT CHANGING THE LANDSCAPE AND ALL THAT STUFF WAS ADDRESSED WHEN WE DID THAT RENOVATION.
BUT THE TENANTS AREN'T COMING JUST BECAUSE WE MADE A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY THAT DOESN'T MAKE 'EM WANT TO COME, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE THIS PARKING ISSUE.
SO I, I'VE BEEN IN DESOTO A VERY LONG TIME.
I'M, I HAVE A 22-YEAR-OLD SON WHO ATTENDED DESOTO CHILDREN'S ACADEMY WHEN HE WAS TWO AND THREE YEARS OLD.
SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PARKING, AND I AGREE, EVEN WHEN THERE WAS AN ALBERTSON'S GROCERY STORE, IT WAS ALWAYS OVER OVERBUILT FOR PARKING.
UM, BUT I THINK IF WE HAD A PROPOSAL FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE VISION WAS AND YOU BRING THAT BACK AND, AND GET DEVIATIONS ON THE PARKING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE AS OPPOSED TO ABOLISHING ALL THE PARKING.
I, I THINK WE WOULD PROB I WOULD, I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF.
I WOULD PROBABLY BE A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, BECAUSE SOME OF THE USES YOU'RE PROPOSING ENTERTAINMENT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UH, I THINK IF YOU HAD A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL, IF YOU'RE BRINGING TARGET, AND TYPICALLY YOU HAVE 100 SPACES AND THIS IS REQUIRING 200 SPACES, YOU CAN MAKE A CASE FOR IT AT THAT TIME.
BUT JUST SAYING A BLANKET, ABOLISHMENT OF ALL THE PARKING, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.
I'VE BEEN DOING COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FOR 40 YEARS NOW, AND NO TENANT WANTS TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT JUST TO GET A, UH, APPROVAL.
I MEAN, THEY JUST GO SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE IT'S EASIER.
AND, UH, IF THAT'S THE CHOICE THE CITY WANTS TO MAKE, I, I'LL LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
BUT THAT'S, I THINK A, A POOR WAY TO TRY AND GET TENANTS IN 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WITH.
AND LOOK AT THE RESULTS WE HAVE.
UM, I'M GONNA PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING TO HER ABOUT THE SUP.
EARLIER YOU SAID IF THERE WERE USES THAT WE WEREN'T HAPPY ABOUT, CROSS THEM OUT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO REALLY DO THAT.
IF WE GIVE YOU THE ZONING FOR C ONE, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE COVERED.
HAVE YOU EVER COME BEFORE, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING TO SEEK AN SUP FOR YOUR PROPERTY? UH, YEAH.
LET ME ASK AND CAN I ASK HER TO COME UP SHIP WITH, COME ON.
ALLIE IS MY, THIS IS ALLY EDWARDS AND SHE IS MY PROPERTY MANAGER AND IS, UH, QUITE FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THIS STUFF.
AND MA'AM, IF YOU'LL JUST STATE, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND THEN YOU CAN GO AHEAD.
ALLIE EDWARDS, UH, PLANO, TEXAS.
UM, SO GOING THROUGH WITH SOME OF OUR LEASING AGENTS, I'VE KNOWN THAT THERE WAS A COUPLE, UM, EVENT CENTERS THAT WERE DENIED AND, UH, SOME OTHER, UH, I'M HAVING A HARD TIME THINKING I SHOULD HAVE SHOULD'VE ASKED A FIRST 'CAUSE HE'S, HE'S THE ONE THAT USUALLY, UH, GETS THE DENIALS.
BUT ANYWAY, WE KNOW FOR SURE THERE'S BEEN A FEW, THERE HAS BEEN DENIALS.
AND IT'S NOT JUST EVENT CENTERS.
UH, I MEAN, SEVERAL OF OUR CURRENT TENANTS HAVE HAD SEVERAL ISSUES TRYING TO GET COS UH, REGARDING PARKING.
SO WHAT WAS THE EXPERIENCE OF THE UH, WE ROCK, WE ROCK THE
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SPECTRUM.AND THEN, UM, KIDS AT HEART WE ROCK IS, SO WE ROCK IS, UM, SPECIFICALLY FOR AUTISTIC CHILDREN.
IT IS A DAY CAMP FOR AUTISTIC CHILDREN.
AND I KNOW THEY WERE HAVING ISSUES WITH, UH, COS AND THEN ALSO WITH FIRE CODES AND STUFF.
UH, KIDS AT HEART ALSO HAD TO PUT IN A, UM, STACKING LANE IN THE BACK.
SO THEIR PLAYGROUND IS LIKE IN BETWEEN A STACKING LANE IN THE BACK.
UH, THAT TOOK EXTRA TIME THAT THE LANDLORD HELPED WITH, WITH, UM, RENT CONCESSIONS TO HELP HER GET THROUGH THE CITY PROCESS.
UM, WAS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT OUR TENANTS, BUT KIDS AT HEART IS REALLY THE BEST EXAMPLE TO GIVE YOU, IT TOOK THEM A YEAR, A YEAR TO GET OPEN.
IT SHOULD NOT TAKE, I MEANT THAT, I'M SORRY, WE ROCKED THE SPECTRUM.
TOOK THEM OVER A YEAR TO GET OPEN.
I MEAN, YOU CANNOT EXPECT PEOPLE TO COME TO OUR CITY AND WANT TO DO BUSINESS IF IT TAKES 'EM A YEAR TO GET OPEN FOR BUSINESS BECAUSE OF DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, PARKING AND OTHER CONSTRUCTION ISSUES.
SO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS, HAVE YOU EVER COME FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT? YES.
'CAUSE I KEPT HEARING YOU SAY CO WHICH I FELT SOME THAT WAS FOR THE CURRENT TENANTS, BUT YES, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE THEY'VE GONE FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
SO, AND HAVING DENIED, SO YOU HAVE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD DO IN THE FUTURE? COULD GO FOR, COULD APPLY FOR AN SUP YEAH.
IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE USES.
THAT IS THE ONLY WAY WE COULD DO IT TODAY.
AND THAT HAS PROVED TO BE, UH, UH, A VERY DIFFICULT WAY AND FRANKLY INEFFECTIVE WAY TO TRY AND GET THE CENTER LEASED.
IF I'M NOT CORRECT, BUT I DON'T THINK YOU'VE EVER COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION FOR ANYTHING, SO I THINK THAT'S TRUE.
THE OTHER THING IS WE DID, JUST SO YOU, OH, I'M SORRY.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE DID COME BEFORE THIS, UH, COMMISSION DIFFERENT MEMBERS AT THE TIME, THIS WAS ABOUT TWO, THREE YEARS AGO, UH, REQUESTING TO PURCHASE THE OLD FUEL CENTER ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE CURRENT CHURCH, THE OLD ALBERTSONS.
IT WAS THE OLD ALBERTSONS FUEL CENTER.
UH, WE WERE GONNA PURCHASE THAT LAND AND USE THAT TO CREATE ADDITIONAL PARKING TO ALLEVIATE THE CODE ISSUE THAT WE WERE HAVING.
AND, UH, AT THAT TIME, Y'ALL DENIED IT AND SAID, WELL, YOU'RE TOO FAR AWAY.
UH, YOU, THE CODE SAYS THAT WE HAD TO BE, THAT THE PARKING AREA HAS TO BE WITHIN 150 FEET OF OUR STRIP CENTER TO COUNT.
AND SO Y'ALL SAID NO, I THOUGHT THAT WAS, WE WERE DISAPPOINTED IN THAT.
THE ONLY, IT WOULDN'T SOLVED THE PROBLEM.
THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I WANT, PARDON? I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
OH, I WAS JUST SAYING IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN US PERSONALLY APPEARING BEFORE YOU, UM, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE APPLYING FOR THE SUP.
JUST SO THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU IS, WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT A FITNESS CENTER, YOU SEEM TO BECOME ANIMATED AND EXCITED ABOUT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR VISION PLAN, UH, THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THERE? I WILL, I CAN, UH, BE SPECIFIC.
I CAN BE SPECIFIC AND SAY THAT, UH, WE HAVE HAD, UH, ONE NATIONAL CREDIT FITNESS CENTER APPROACH US WITH AN INTEREST IN GOING IN.
AND, UH, WHEN WE TOLD THEM THAT WE'D HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE PARKING ISSUES, THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER PROPERTIES AVAILABLE TO US THAT ARE MORE ATTRACTIVE.
AND SO THEY, THEY DIDN'T SAY NO, THEY JUST SIMPLY SAID, WE'RE GONNA PURSUE OUR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FIRST.
NOW THAT, UH, THERE AREN'T OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY'RE PURSUING IN DE DESOTO, BUT THEY HAVE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE A NATIONAL BRAND, SO THEY'VE JUST FOUND OTHER, UH, OTHER PLACES TO BE MORE ACCOMMODATING THAT THEY'RE AND AND MORE LUCRATIVE TO THEM.
AND SO THEY'RE GONNA PURSUE THOSE OPTIONS FIRST.
UH, AND THEY WERE QUICK TO SAY IT'S NOT NO FOREVER, IT'S JUST NO FOR NOW.
'CAUSE WE GOT BETTER OPPORTUNITIES.
AND THEN, UM, WE RECENTLY, UH, WE RECENTLY DID HAVE AN APPROACH FROM A NATIONAL, UH, A NATIONAL, UH, PICKLEBALL GROUP, UH, WANTING TO BRING IN ABOUT, UH, EIGHT TO 10 COURTS.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S STILL A POSSIBILITY.
THAT ONE IS SOMETHING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND I'LL BRING UP ANOTHER, UH, OPTION.
UH, WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO, WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO GET AN SUP.
WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED BY A NATIONAL
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AUTO PARTS STORE TO TAKE THE 30,000 FEET.YOU KNOW, IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THE VARIOUS MEMBERS OF THE CITY, THEY'D PREFER NOT TO HAVE AUTO PARTS.
BUT IF THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN DO AND MEET THE PARKING CODE, THEN YOU ALL AREN'T GIVEN ANY OTHER OPTIONS.
THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT THAT I WOULD MAKE RELATIVE TO THE, UM, FITNESS CENTER, AND YOU, AND YOU ADDRESSED IT, THERE'S A BIG ISSUE RIGHT NOW WITH THE, THE FITNESS CENTER THERE AND, UH, DO I THINK YOU COULD SOLVE IT PERHAPS, BUT PEOPLE JUST GET MULTIPLE MEMBERSHIPS WHEN THEY'RE CHEAP AND THEY GO ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND SO I'M NOT SURE IT WOULD REALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM, BUT IT MAY EVEN CREATE A PROBLEM IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA AS WELL.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN ABOUT GIVING YOU A BLANKET, UM, UM, COMMERCIAL ONE ZONING.
THE, AND I DON'T WANT A COMMERCIAL ONE ZONING.
ALL WE ASKED FOR WAS THOSE SPECIFIC USES.
UM, BUT IF, UH, IF WE NEED TO AMEND OUR APPLICATION TO GET YOUR APPROVAL, YOU KNOW, I, I'D STILL NEED TO SOLVE THE PARKING PROBLEM IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR USE THAT YOU'RE, YOU GUYS ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT SCARES ME.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT GONNA LET THAT STAND IN THE WAY.
WE NEED TO GET THIS THING LEASED.
UM, HOW MANY VACANT PROPERTIES DO YOU HAVE IN THAT STRIP MALL? CURRENTLY WE HAVE THE FORMER BEAUTY SUPPLY STORE.
HE WENT OUT WHEN HE HEARD THAT JENNY BEAUTY SUPPLY WAS COMING IN AND THEY'RE 20,000 FEET UP AGAINST HIS, UH, LESS THAN 4,000 FOOT SQUARE FOOT SPACE.
HE SAID, I DON'T THINK I CAN COMPETE.
AND SO HE DID IN THAT SPACE, HAS BEEN VACANT FOR ABOUT A YEAR.
UH, WE HAVE THE FORMER GNC SPACE, THE, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN, UM, LESLIE'S POOL SUPPLY WAS THE ONLY OTHER NATIONAL BRAND THAT WE HAD.
AND AGAIN, I SAID, BUT I'VE GOT A, A FITNESS CENTER THAT'S INTERESTED, THAT WOULD BE GREAT FOR YOU.
AND THEY WERE LIKE, YEAH, I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT.
UH, THEN WE HAVE, UH, WE, WE HAD A, UH, CHILDREN'S, UH, DANCE PLACE THAT JUST, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY DEFAULTED AND WE HAD TO CHANGE THEIR LOCKS THIS WEEK.
AND THAT SPACE IS ABOUT, UH, 1200 FEET.
AND THEN WE HAVE ONE OTHER TENANT THAT IS, UH, STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE THE LOCKS ON ALSO.
BUT, YOU KNOW, EVENTUALLY IF THE TENANT CAN'T MAKE IT, WE, WE HAVE TO DO WHAT WE GOTTA DO.
UH, BUT WE REALLY ARE COMMITTED TO HAVING GOOD, UH, QUALITY TENANTS.
NOW I HAVE HAD INTEREST FROM A, UH, UH, WHAT A, UH, SEEMS I HAVEN'T DONE ENOUGH RESEARCH TO KNOW FOR SURE, BUT WE'VE HAD INTEREST FROM A BARBER SHOP THAT MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN TAKING THAT SPACE IF WE WERE TO HAVE TO TAKE THAT TENANT OUT.
BUT I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE HER SUCCEED.
SO WE'RE GONNA GIVE HER ANOTHER CHANCE.
UH, UH, IT'S LIKE THE SIXTH CHANCE, BUT WE'LL GIVE HER ANOTHER CHANCE TO TRY AND MAKE IT.
BUT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE GUYS ARE REALLY STRUGGLING.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE FOUR SPACES, I THINK THAT'S RIGHT.
WITH THE LARGEST BIN, 20,000 SQUARE FOOT.
UH, CAN YOU, UH, TAKE US BACK TO SLIDE EIGHT PLEASE? YES.
AND I'M LOOKING FOR THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES YOU HAVE CURRENTLY.
AT THE BOTTOM IN RED IT SAYS ACTUAL PARKING SPACES 336 ON OUR PROPERTY.
PLUS WE HAVE CO OCCUPANCY, UH, RIGHTS WITH THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, WHICH MAKES FOR A TOTAL OF 700 AND SOMETHING 76.
AND, UM, SOME OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHILE YOU GUYS MAY NOT HAVE A PARKING ISSUE, NOW, THESE LOOK LIKE RELATIVELY SMALL BUSINESSES, BUT SOME OF THE BUSINESSES YOU HAVE FIELDED HERE SEEM LIKE LARGE ONES LIKE TARGET FITNESS CENTER RESTAURANT, AND THEY SEEMED LIKE THEY WOULD BRING A LARGE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC, THOSE LARGE BUSINESSES.
SO AGAIN, WHILE YOU MAY NOT HAVE A PROBLEM, A PARKING ISSUE, NOW YOU MAY INCUR ONE WITH A VERY LARGE BUSINESS THAT COMES IN.
UM, YOU SAY YOU HAVE CO PARKING RIGHTS WITH THE BUSINESS NEXT DOOR, BUT THEY WERE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS CHANGE THAT YOU ARE REQUESTING TODAY.
THAT'S BECAUSE THE, I, YOU'D HAVE TO ASK THEM WHY, BUT I THINK, UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THEIR, I HAVEN'T SEEN THEIR LETTER.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAID, BUT I IMAGINE IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE A, UH, A, UH, PD
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OF THEIR OWN.AND, UH, WE, UH, REQUESTED TO JOIN THEIR PD AND THEY, THEY SAID NO.
AND YOU, YOU AND YOUR PARTNER MENTIONED SOME ISSUES THAT SOME OF YOUR TENANTS WOULD HAVE WHEN THEY WOULD COME FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMITS BEFORE THE BOARD AND THE CITY.
AND UH, THE REASONS IT SOUND LIKE THEY WERE HAVING THOSE ISSUES HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PARKING.
BUT YOU'RE HERE ASKING ABOUT PARKING TODAY.
THE EVENT CENTER SPECIFICALLY COULD NOT GET APPROVED BECAUSE OF PARKING AND THAT, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL THAT HAD THAT PROBLEM EVEN BEFORE WE BOUGHT THE CENTER, THEY HAD THAT PROBLEM.
AND ONE TENANT, I THINK IT WAS JC FITNESS, WAS AN EVENT CENTER.
AND, UH, THEY GOT A, UH, UH, UH, SPECIAL APPROVAL.
AND THE PROBLEM WITH THAT WAS WHEN THAT TENANT LEFT, EVEN THOUGH WE WANTED THE EXACT SAME USE TO COME BACK IN TO THAT SPACE, THE CITY TOLD US, WELL, I'M SORRY, THAT SPECIAL USE PERMIT ONLY RUNS WITH THE TENANT, NOT WITH THE SPACE, NOT WITH THE PROPERTY.
THAT HENCE WE CAN FIX THAT THIS WAY.
AND SO YOUR CONTENTION IS THAT WHEN TALKING TO YOUR PROSPECTIVE TENANTS, THEY ARE HAVING, THEY'RE HAVING SOME CONSTERNATION ABOUT COMING BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR A SPECIFIC USE, SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE OF PARKING, BECAUSE THEY CANNOT MEET OUR PARKING REQUIREMENT? NO, I WOULD SAY THAT'S, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE GRANULAR.
I WOULD SAY THAT MOST TENANTS, ESPECIALLY SMALL TENANTS, UH, HAVE NO DESIRE TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH A SPECIAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
THAT IS A PROCESS THAT IS VERY LONG.
I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS MR. BREWER FOR HOW LONG? I MEAN, A YEAR AT LEAST.
SO I MEAN, IT'S A LONG AND ARDUOUS PROCESS.
IT'S EXPENSIVE AND IT'S NO FUN FOR ANYBODY, UH, THAT I KNOW OF.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS HERE.
WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL COMMENT CARDS FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THE NEXT, UH, INDIVIDUAL TO SPEAK IS MR. KANER RUBIN.
MR. RUBIN, IF YOU WANNA COME UP, UH, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
UM, SO MY KIDS, UH, I TAKE MY KIDS TO THE PARK QUITE A BIT.
UM, I CERTAINLY, THE, THE MALL IS VERY NICE.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE IT TO BE OCCUPIED BY NICE THINGS.
YOU KNOW, YOU DID A GREAT JOB WITH THE RENOVATIONS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, I ONLY QUESTION WITH JUST CARTE BLANCHE, ANY APPROVAL BEING AN ISSUE.
AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S MUCH HARDER TO, TO GET A TENANT WHERE YOU SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE YOU TO COME IN, BUT WE HAVE TO GO IN FRONT OF THE TOWN AND SEE IF WE CAN GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF YOU HAVE A LARGE EVENT CENTER, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE.
AND, AND THERE THERE'S JUST SO MANY DIFFERENT VARIABLE USES THAT COULD END UP BECOMING AN ISSUE WHERE PEOPLE COME INTO THE PARK AREAS, THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF PEOPLE DRIVING QUICKLY, NOT LOOKING FOR KIDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, MY KIDS ARE REALLY YOUNG.
I, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN OTHER KIDS RUN INTO THE STREET AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, SO THE FIRST THING THAT'S GONNA GO IS ALL THE PARKING ALL AROUND THAT PARK.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GONNA RUN INTO, WHEN WE TRY AND DO THINGS IN THE PARK, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT THERE, THERE'S JUST NOT GONNA BE ENOUGH PARKING TO GO AROUND.
IF THERE ARE SOME POTENTIAL USES.
IF THERE WAS ONE TENANT THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY COMING IN AND WE KNEW WHAT IT WAS GOING TO BE AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS GONNA BE, UH, GRADUAL OVER TIME AND, AND DIFFUSE, THAT WOULD BE ONE THING.
BUT WE, IT'S JUST HARD TO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE TWO OR THREE DAYS OF A LARGE EVENT.
AND THE WHOLE THING IS JUST OUT OF USE FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UM, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S, IT'S KIND OF A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE.
UH, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I, I OPPOSE IT BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S TOO MUCH LEEWAY.
UM, THE, THE PARKING, UH, ORDINANCES WERE DONE FOR A SPECIFIC REASON.
THAT REASON BEING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING FOR, FOR THE USES OF NOT JUST THAT ONE SHOPPING AREA, BUT ALL THE AREAS AROUND IT.
AND I, I FEEL LIKE, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE SACRIFICING THAT FOR, FOR NO DEFINED REASON.
AND FOR THE RECORD, MR. RUBEN, YOU ARE OPPOSED TO THE AGENDA ITEM? PARDON? YOU ARE OPPOSED TO THE AGENDA ITEM? YES.
NEXT INDIVIDUAL IS, UH, TONY MORRIS.
MR. MORRIS, YOU WANNA COME FORWARD? STATE YOUR NAME.
UM, TRYING HOW HANDLE THIS AGAIN? UH, WE HAVE ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE EVENT CENTERS
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AROUND THE SOTO PERIOD.IF Y'ALL WANT TO ADD ANOTHER ONE.
WHEN THEY TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A ICE SKATING RING HERE, IT IS INTERESTING.
THE DOLLAR STORES PUT ONE IN DUNCANVILLE, THE CURRENT BOB KNIGHT CENTER HAD A ICE C SKATING RING IN IT.
PEPPER, LIKE HE SAID, NO ONE PA UH, NO ONE PATRONIZED IT.
NOW WE HAD A ICE SKATING RING HERE AND EVERYBODY WENT WOO HOO.
THIS COMMUNITY DID NOT SUPPORT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IF IT WOULD'VE, THE DOLLAR STARS WOULD STILL HAVE ONE IN DUNCANVILLE.
IT TURNED INTO A BASKETBALL COURT.
WE DO NEED SPORTS FACILITY 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE PRODUCE ATHLETES BASKETBALL, FOOTBALL AND TRACK.
DON'T BELIEVE ME AS YOUR UH, SPORTS DIRECTOR BECAUSE HE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT ONE OF THE REASON THAT FIELDS THESE HOTELS ARE UM, THESE TOURNAMENTS THAT COME FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY SAY WE HAD THE BEST ATHLETES.
SO TO ME THE ISSUE WE HAVE IS THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS A BLACK COMMUNITY WHERE SOMEBODY'S TRYING TO SELL OUTSIDE.
YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT THE REALITY IS.
IT'S HARD TO SELL BUT WE JUST KNOCKED OUT.
NONE OF THIS WILL BE, WILL BE HARD TO SELL PERIOD.
NOW I SEE WHAT Y'ALL DON'T WANNA SEE BUT, AND IT'S NOT REALLY A BLACK COMMUNITY.
IT IS AN AMERICAN COMMUNITY, BUT THE FACT OF IT IS THAT 68% OF PEOPLE BLACK HERE, THEY DON'T WANT NICE THINGS HERE.
THAT'S WHY HEB DID NOT PUT KMART OVER THERE, THE OLD KMART.
SO I SAY ALL THAT TO PUT CONTEXT OF THE INFORMATION Y'ALL ALREADY KNOW.
AND WHEN HE COMES HERE AND HE LAUGHS AND HE SAYS WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS FOR THE MAN HAD THE POP 2018, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY CAN SELL WITH THE KING CELL.
YOU KNOW, SO I'M OPPOSED TO IT.
AND THE LAST COMMON CARD I HAVE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, UH, MS. BELINDA ALLEN, COME ON UP.
AND YOU GOT THREE MINUTES MA'AM.
I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAY.
CAN I TURN AROUND AND LOOK TO HIM WHILE I I'M TALKING TO HIM? NO, JUST THE JUDGE.
BUT THE GENTLEMAN THAT JUST SPOKE, IT WAS LIKE A FILIBUSTER 'CAUSE HE NEVER ANSWERED ANY QUESTION.
SOMETIME ALL THOSE CHOICES ARE NOT GOOD.
LEMME GO AND SAY ON THE RECORD I POSE BECAUSE YOU DON'T EVEN, WELL IT APPEARS THAT YOU GOT SO MUCH ON IT, YOU CAN'T SPECIFY ANYTHING.
AND YOU DID SO MUCH CONVERSATION OF TALKING ABOUT NOTHING BUT PARKING LOTS, PARKING SPACES.
THEN WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING ON STUFF, YOU GOT TO KEEP IN MIND IF YOU WANT ACTIVITIES AND UH, WHAT'S THIS AMUSEMENT, THESE ARE LITTLE, THESE ARE CHILDREN.
NOTHING AINT WRONG WITH CHILDREN.
I KNOW THAT'S BAD ENGLISH BUT OTHER STUFF CAN TAKE ON.
IT'S A NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT BEHIND.
CHILDREN CAN GET ROWDY AND COME TO PEOPLE HOUSE.
THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THINGS CAN HAPPEN TO THEM.
AND ON THE NEXT THING YOU NEVER SAID IN MY MIND WHAT TIME THINGS GONNA OPEN AND CLOSE BECAUSE AT A CERTAIN TIME I DON'T NEED ALL THAT NOISE AND IT CAN GET ROWDY AND THAT PLACE IS NOT SOUNDPROOF.
AND YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT ALL OF THESE OTHER, I THINK IT WAS FOUR THAT YOU SAID THAT YOU OWN.
I ALWAYS ASK PEOPLE WHY YOU LEAVING? THEY COULD BE LYING AND YOU COULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH BUT THEY SAID THE PRICE, THE RENT HAS GONE UP FOR WHATEVER REASON WHY THE RENT WENT UP.
MAYBE BECAUSE YOU HAD YOUR UNDER.
I'M JUST SAYING YOU COULDA HAD AN UNDERLYING GOAL WHERE IF I PUSHED THIS UP, PUSH THEM OUT AND I CAN GET WHAT I WANT.
IN SO FAR, IF YOU'RE DOING THE WRONG THING FOR THE WRONG REASON, IT AIN'T GONNA COME THROUGH.
AND I KNOW THAT'S BAD ENGLISH TOO, HOWEVER I CAN'T SPEAK WELL BUT YOU UNDERSTOOD.
SO, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, BUT I DON'T WANT A LOT OF NOISE IN MY BACKYARD WITH NO CHILDREN.
PICKLEBALL I HEAR THAT IS IN, THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE SAY, BUT WHO PLAYS IT.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY YOU JUST TRYING TO GET YOUR STUFF.
THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT.
YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE YOUR OWN CHEERLEADER.
YOU JUST PARKING SPACES, PARKING SPACES.
WHO SAID PEOPLE GONNA COME WHEN YOU DO BUILD IT IF YOU'RE BUILDING IT FOR THE WRONG REASON AND SELFISHNESS.
EVERYTHING IS ALL ABOUT MONEY AND GREED AND WE AIN'T GETTING THAT YET.
THE LORD IS BY TIRED OF US BEING SO GREEDY, LYING IN OUR POCKETS.
WHO IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE.
I'M GONNA FINISH 'CAUSE MY THREE MINUTES IS UP.
BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JENNY DOWN THE STREET.
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THESE PEOPLE SAID THE RENT, THE PRICES AND IT WAS CHEAPER FOR DOLLAR GENERAL TO GO ACROSS THE STREET AND BUILD A STORE THAN TO PAY YOU THE RENT.SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT PICTURE.
BUT YOU SAID WHATEVER YOU SAID AND I JUST BELIEVED DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE I ASKED THE PEOPLE.
IS THAT THING RINGING OFF? IS THAT ME? THAT'S YOU.
I WAS WONDERING WAS SOMEBODY'S PHONE GOING OFF, YOU KNOW? YES.
I DIDN'T KNOW THIS THING RUN THIS LONG, BUT YOU KNOW WHEN YOU FILIBUSTER I GUESS IT DOES, DOESN'T IT? THANK YOU MA'AM.
ALRIGHT, WELL THAT WAS THE LAST CARD I HAD ON THIS AGENDA ITEM.
OKAY, COME ON DOWN AND STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS MERCY LUSK AND I RESIDE IN THE AREA THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
NOW MY CONCERN IS WHAT IS REALLY HAPPENING? ARE YOU INTERESTED IN PARKING SPACES? ARE YOU GOING TO PROVIDE DIFFERENT STORES OR WHAT? WE DON'T KNOW.
WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON.
WE HAD TO FIND IT IN NEXT DOOR.
WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE'S TRYING TO PROPOSE, HOW IT WOULD AFFECT OUR AREA.
IS IT JUST PARKING? LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW.
SEEING A HEARING OR NO OTHERS ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA? ITEM AND MA'AM, YOU SAID YOU DID FILL OUT A COMMON CARD.
YOU GOING OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT, THE TIME IS NOW EIGHT 50.
WE'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS AGENDA.
ITEM Z DASH 15 2 24 COMMISSIONERS.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR COMMENTARY OR QUESTIONS? MR. REV? NOW UH, MR. CHAIR, WOULD YOU MIND UH, COULD YOU JUST SHOW THE UH, THE NOTIFICATION AREA, THE 200 FEET? THE 400 FEET AND THE ONLY REASON I WANTED YOU TO PUT THAT UP THERE IS JUST SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ATTENDING WILL SEE WHERE THOSE NOTIFICATIONS HAD TO GO OUT.
UM, AND THOSE WOULD BE THE RESIDENCES THAT RECEIVED THOSE LETTERS.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. ELL COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALL RIGHT.
HEARING AND SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION AS IT RELATES TO AGENDA ITEM Z DASH FIVE 20 DASH 24? YES.
MR. ADO, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT RELATIVE TO CASE NUMBER Z 1520 DASH 24 THAT WE DENY THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.
SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MR. OW, IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY MS. BROOKS.
IS THERE ANY UN READINESS HEARING IS SAYING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.
THOSE OPPOSED DO THE SAME AND SAME NAY A.
ALRIGHT, MOTION UH, PASSES FIVE TO ONE.
[3. Conduct public hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council to amend Section 10 "Changes and Amendments To All Zoning Ordinances and Districts and Administrative Procedures" of the City's Zoning Ordinance in order to align with Senate Bill 929 (SB 929).]
LAST PUBLIC HEARING THAT WE HAVE FOR THIS EVENING, WHICH IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND SECTION 10 CHANGES IN AMENDMENTS TO ALL ZONING, ORDINANCE, THE DISTRICTS AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES OF THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO ALIGN WITH SENATE BILL 9 29 THAT IS SB 9 29.DURING THE CONSIDERATION OF THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE NEW HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE ZONING AREA, OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ADVISED STAFF THAT A NEW BILL HAD PASSED THAT REQUIRES GOVERNING BODY OF A MUNICIPALITY OR ZONING COMMISSION TO PROVIDE WRITTEN NOTICE TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND OCCUPANCY OF EACH PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING ANY PROPOSED ADOPTION OF OR CHANGE TO A ZONING REGULATION OR BOUNDARY THAT COULD RESULT IN A CURRENT NONCONFORMING USE OF A PROPERTY BECOMING NONCONFORMING USE.
AND THAT IS SECTION ONE OF THIS NEW BILL WHICH IS CALLED SENATE BILL 9 2 9 IN READING SENATE BILL 9 2 9 SECTION TWO OF THAT BILL ESTABLISHED THE COMPENSATION THAT COMPENSATION THAT THE OWNER OR LEASE THE OF THE PROPERTY WITH A NON-CONFORMING USE IS ENTITLED TO RECEIVE IF THE NON-CONFORMING USE IS REQUIRED TO CEASE OPERATION DUE TO BEING A NON-CONFORMING USE.
AN AGENDA ITEM WAS PLACED ON THE COMMISSIONER'S MAY 28TH, 2024
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MEETING AGENDA IN ORDER FOR THE COMMISSION TO DISCUSS SENATE BILL 9 2 9 AND DISCUSS ADDING SECTION ONE OF SENATE BILL 9 2 9 TO THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE SECTION 10 CHANGES IN AMENDMENTS TO ALL ZONING ORDINANCES AND DISTRICTS AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES.FOLLOWING DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION, A MOTION PREVAILED BY A VOTE OF SIX TO ZERO TO INITIATE THE PROCESS TO CONSIDER AMENDING SECTION 10 OF THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE IN ORDER TO ALIGN WITH CITY BILL 9 2 9.
A PUBLIC HEARING HAS NOW BEEN PLACED ON THE COMMISSION'S MEETING AGENDA FOR TONIGHT IN ORDER FOR THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEN SECTION 10 OF THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE IN AN ORDER TO ALIGN WITH SENATE BILL 9 2 9 TO ADD A LITTLE ADDITIONAL UH, JUST COMMENTS AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY ADVISED US AS THE LAST TIME SENATE BILL 9 2 9 IS LAW.
IT IS STATUTE SECTIONS ONE AND TWO AS I HAD MENTIONED TO YOU AND I APPROACHED YOU THE LAST TIME, STAFF IS ONLY ASKING YOU JUST FOR ADMINISTRATIVE PURPOSES TO ALLOW SECTION ONE WHICH WILL CLEARLY BE INCLUDED WITHIN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE FOR FUTURE STAFF TO CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT REGULATION IS AND IS WHAT WE'RE COMING TO YOU TODAY TO ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THAT TEXT AMENDMENT STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.
I'LL ADDRESS ANY QUESTION CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE.
COMMISSIONER, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT.
WE'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AT 8 55 TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM AND I WON'T BELABOR THE ISSUE FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT IN ATTENDANCE.
UH, BASICALLY I THINK WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE ITEMS THAT THE CITIZENS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT.
SO SEEING AND HEARING NO INDIVIDUALS WHO WANNA COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, I'LL ALSO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY STILL AT 8 55 TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, COMMISSIONERS, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION MR. CHAIR? MR. BELL, GO AHEAD.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ADDITION OF THE LANGUAGE FOR SENATE BILL 9 2 9 AS PRESENTED.
IT HAS BEEN SECONDED BY MR. RAVENELL.
ANY UNREADINESS HEARING AND SEEING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.
[1. Continue discussion (from the May 28, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting) to consider initiating the amendment of the City's Zoning Ordinance, Section 7 Nonconforming Uses and Structures, Subsection 7.6 Restoration of Nonconforming Structures.]
MOVE ON TO THE ITEMS ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA.ITEM E ONE, CONTINUED DISCUSSION FROM THE MAY 28TH, 2024 PLAN THE ZONING COMMISSION MEETING TO CONSIDER INITIATING THE AMENDMENT OF THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, SECTION SEVEN NON-CONFORMING USES AND STRUCTURES.
SUBSECTION SEVEN SIX, RESTORATION OF NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES.
MR. BREWER, IF YOU WOULD, EXCUSE ME MR. CHAIRMAN? YES SIR.
MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE MR. BREWER'S PRESENTATION? YES SIR.
UM, ARE WE GONNA CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION OR IF AT THE END OF MR. BREWER'S PRESENTATIONS, IF WE HAVE A, UH, A MOTION TO MAKE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO DO THAT OR DO WE HAVE TO PUT THIS BACK ON THE AGENDA AGAIN IN ORDER TO BRING IT FORTH AND LET ME YIELD TO MR. SMITH.
MR. SMITH? NO, THIS IS JUST A DISCUSSION.
UM, ANYTHING Y'ALL DO ON THESE NEXT TWO ITEMS WOULD BE A TEXT AMENDMENT, UH, TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, JUST LIKE THE ONE YOU JUST APPROVED.
SO WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT SAME PROCESS ONCE AN ORDINANCE IS DEVELOPED AND WE UNDERSTAND IF ANY CHANGES ARE TO BE MADE AND WHAT THOSE CHANGES ARE.
SO IT'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS AS THE ONE Y'ALL JUST APPROVED.
SO, UM, ATTORNEY, SO YOU'RE SAYING WE CAN ONLY DISCUSS IT TONIGHT, BUT IF WE WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK BEFORE THE BODY AND THEN OKAY.
NOW, MR. BUR, BEFORE YOU PROCEED, UH, THERE IS A, A QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN ASKED.
WOULD IT BE BETTER AND NOW I'M GONNA ASK IT FOR AN ADVISORY OPINION.
WOULD IT BE BETTER FOR THE NEXT TWO ITEMS FOR US TO COME BACK, WHETHER WELL WE ACTUALLY WE CAN STILL HAVE A CONVERSATION BUT THEN ALSO WE CAN TAKE ACTION AFTERWARDS? WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS IT A NECESSITY TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF NIGHT? I SEE MR. SMITH, I SEE YOUR LIGHT IS ON.
I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS NECESSARY
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BECAUSE LIKE WE DO WITH THE ONE Y JUST APPROVED, WE CAME BACK WITH A DRAFT AMEND DRAFT ORDINANCE ON WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY AMENDING WITH THIS NEXT ONE.IF WE JUST SAY TODAY WE'RE GOING TO AMEND IT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO AMEND IT TO.
RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK KNOW WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CHANGING, IF ANYTHING.
UM, SO A DISCUSSION IS GOOD FOR THIS ONE 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING A CHANGE BASED UPON ANYTHING CONCRETE.
UM, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE ACCESSORY ITEM.
I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
UH, THE AGENDA ITEM READS CONTINUED DISCUSSION FROM THE MAY 28TH, UH, MEETING TO CONSIDER INITIATING THE AMENDMENT OF THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE JUST DID.
WHAT WE JUST DID WAS, WAS THE REQUIRED PUBLIC HEARING WHERE I INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE AS A DRAFT.
AND WHAT I'M HOPING TO GET FROM YOU IS YOUR CONSISTS LEE, WE'RE GOING TO, UH, INITIATE THE PROCESS.
THUS I CAN PROCEED WITH CONDUCTING A PUBLIC, UH, ADVERTISING FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO BRING IT BACK TO YOU NOW, UNLESS I'VE WRITTEN IT WRONG.
THAT WAS THE INTENT ON THIS ONE.
AND THE NEXT ONE, CONTINUE DISCUSSION AS YOU REQUESTED.
AND IF YOU ARE READY, THEN YOU WILL INITIATE THAT ACTION.
BECAUSE WHAT WE SAVED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHO CAN INITIATE ZONING, CHANGE OF TEXT ACTION, THE CITY COUNCIL ON THEIR ORDER, CITY P AND Z ON THEIR INITIATIVE OR A PROPERTY OWNER.
SO UNOFFICIALLY WE'RE INITIATING IT, BUT WE WERE NEEDING P AND Z TO SAY YES, WE'RE GONNA UNDERTAKE THIS TEXT AMENDMENT AS A, AS A CASE.
ALRIGHT THEN SIR, PROCEED THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
SO AGAIN, I WASN'T AT THIS POINT SINCE THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSIONARY NOT THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, I WASN'T GOING DEEP INTO THE PRESENTATION.
UH, WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU AT YOUR LAST COMMISSION MEETING.
WE IDENTIFIED TO YOU WHAT OUR REGULATIONS, UH, ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED.
WE EVEN PRESENTED TO YOU THIS, UM, RESEARCH THAT STAFF HAD DONE.
STAFF READ, UH, LOOKED IN THE STATE STATUTE, LOOKED UNDER THE, THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO SEE WAS THERE ANY LANGUAGE THAT SPECIFICALLY ESTABLISHED THAT 60% WOULD BE THE PERCENTAGE NUMBER ESTABLISHED.
SO IN OUR RESEARCH TO SEE WHAT OTHER CITIES DID WE SEE OTHER CITIES HAD, SOME CITIES HAD ESTABLISHED 50%, SOME CITIES HAD ALSO ESTABLISHED 60%.
AND THEN WE FOUND A COUPLE OF CITIES BEING MARCH SPRINGS AND DUNCANVILLE THAT ACTUALLY HAD NO PERCENTAGE AND THUS THEY WOULD ALLOW REBUILDING WITHIN THAT 12 MONTHS TIME PERIOD.
UH, DURING YOUR SESSION, UH, ON UH, MAY THE 28TH, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF TALKED BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD 12 MONTHS MAYBE BE A, A GOOD NUMBER TO START WITH? AND, AND REALLY WE JUST HAD TO GIVE YOU REACTIONARY THOUGHTS 'CAUSE WE TRULY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER CITIES, UH, DID.
BESTER DID CALL A FEW OF 'EM AND SHE REALLY COULDN'T GET A DEFINITIVE ANSWER.
UH, BUT SHE WILL ADDRESS THAT.
BUT THE 12 MONTHS AS I WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO GO THROUGH YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY.
IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO GET YOUR CONTRACTOR, BUT DEFINITIVELY WHY THEY SAID 12, WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT CITIES APPEAR TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ESTABLISH ITS REGULATION.
DISCUSSION OF NON-CONFORMING AS WELL AS ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS REALLY CAME UP DURING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.
AND SO TO GET THIS BEFORE THEM, FOR THEM TO CONS TO MAKE THE REGULATORY DECISION, I STILL NEED TO COME THROUGH YOU FIRST.
WE HEARD WHAT THE CITIZENS TALKED ABOUT.
THEY TALKING ABOUT NON-CONFORMING USE.
THEY TALKING ABOUT ACCESSORY DWELLINGS.
SO WE NEED TO GET IT BEFORE THE COUNCIL SO THEY CAN ACT ON IT.
BUT ARE REGULATIONS REQUIRED FOR ANY PROPERTY ZONING CHANGE OR TEXT AMENDMENT? YOU ARE REQUIRED BY THE STATUTE AND THE LOCAL REGULATIONS TO DO, UH, TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION.
ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR MR. BREWER? MR. DALE? UH, YES.
MR. BREWER, RELATIVE TO THE RECONSTRUCTION, THAT MUST COMMENCE WITHIN 12 MONTHS.
ARE WE ABLE TO, TO HAVE TEXT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD SAY, HEY, IT HAS TO BE AT LEASE CLEANED UP OFF THE PROPERTY FOR CONSTRUCTION? I'M, I LIKE THIS IDEA.
I'M JUST CONCERNED IF SOMEBODY JUST LEFT A BURNT, A BURNT BUILDING THERE WITH STUFF ALL OVER THE PLACE FOR 12 MONTHS AND, AND THEN IT BECOMES JUST THE EYESORE, UM, FOR THE, THE RESIDENTS.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE'S DIFFERENT LANGUAGE THAT COULD GO WITH SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
IT MAY BE SOMETHING WE MAY HAVE TO GIVE WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEYS TO TALK WITH.
YOU KNOW, WE CAN DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, BRING THIS BACK TO YOU.
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THAT YOU KNOW BECOMES UM, INHABITANT, UH, MY BUILDING OFFICIAL WOULD BE TAKING ACTION TO TAKE IT BEFORE THE BUILDING OF STANDARDS TO GET IT DEEMED SUBSTANDARD IN ORDER TO SEEK DEMOLITION OF IT.SO BASICALLY YOU'RE SAYING IF THIS WERE THE WAY WE WENT, SOMEONE ELSE, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OR WHOEVER, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE CARE OF MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS DONE CORRECT? YES.
CALEB, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? I DEFINITELY WANT YOUR INPUT.
YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS AND THERE'S SOME THINGS I WANNA DISCUSS BEFORE WE GO TOO MUCH FURTHER IN REGARDS TO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
THERE PROBABLY IS, I DON'T KNOW WELL ENOUGH.
THERE PROBABLY IS SOME MECHANISM THAT ALREADY EXISTS TO TAKE CARE OF LIKE A BURNED OUT HOUSE OR, OR WHATEVER THAT JUST GETS LEFT VACANT.
UM, WHERE YOU CAN CONDEMN IT OR TAKE IT TO BUILDING STANDARDS AND THEN CONDEMN IT OR REQUIRE THE, UM, FIXING OR ALL THAT.
THERE, THERE'S USUALLY REGULATIONS IN THE REGULAR CODE THAT CAN ADDRESS THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT REALLY READY TO OR PREPARED TO GIVE LIKE A FULL ON ASSESSMENT OF THIS.
UM, I HAVE BRIEFLY TALKED WITH STAFF, BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY TOO CONSULTED ON WHAT, WHAT IS GOING ON HERE.
UM, THE SAME SENATE BILL THAT WAS PASSED 9 29 FOR THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE JUST ADDED TO OUR ORDINANCES AS WELL.
IT ALSO CONTAINS A PROVISION OR A WHOLE SECTION RATHER ON WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A CITY MAKES SOMETHING A NON-CONFORMING USE.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THEY'VE KIND OF DONE CLASSIFIED THAT AS A TAKING.
IF THERE'S EVER A TIME WHERE NON-CONFORMING USE A CITY STOPS YOU FROM USING THAT NON-CONFORMING USE, YOU ESSENTIALLY HAVE TO BE COMPENSATED, UM, THINK OF IT KIND OF LIKE AN IMMINENT DOMAIN.
UM, IT'S IT'S NOT THAT EXACTLY.
UM, THEY CALL IT AMORTIZATION, UM, WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE COMPENSATED BECAUSE THE CITY HAS BY SOME REGULATORY AUTHORITY MADE YOU STOP THAT USE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY ALLOWED.
UM, HOWEVER, THERE'S A PROVISION IN THERE THAT SAYS IF THE USE HAS NOT BEEN USED FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN THAT DOESN'T COUNT.
UM, SO I KNOW, I THINK MR. BREWER'S TALKING MOSTLY ABOUT THE CASUALTY LOSS PROVISIONS.
UM, IN MY INFORMAL OPINION AT THIS POINT IN TIME, UH, IF YOU TO HAVE A PROVISION IN THE CODE THAT SAYS IF YOU, YOUR USE GOT DESTROYED 60% OF WHATEVER VALUE, UH, THAT THE, THAT THE ZONING CODE HAS, I THINK IT'S BASED UPON, I THINK THE SOTOS IS BASED UPON, UH, CAD VALUE APPRAISAL, DISTRICT VALUE.
UM, THEN YOU HAVE, YOU THAT USE CANNOT BE CONTINUED ANYMORE.
SO BY HAVING THAT IN THERE, YOU'RE SAYING DO EVEN BECAUSE OF CASUALTY LOSS, SOMETHING THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY COULD HAVE DONE, YOU COULD NO LONGER DO BECAUSE YOUR HOUSE BURNED DOWN ONLY TO 60%.
SO THEN THOSE AMORTIZATION PAYMENTS WOULD AT THAT POINT, AND THERE'S A BIG LONG FORMULA AND COMPLICATED PROCESS THAT I, I CANNOT SPEAK TO AT THIS TIME, UM, WOULD KICK IN THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY COMPENSATE THEM FOR SAYING YOU CANNOT USE THAT AS A WHATEVER.
'CAUSE WE TOOK THAT AWAY IN THIS REZONING, SOME PREVIOUS REZONING.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, OH, LET'S JUST THINK OF IT AS A, I DON'T KNOW, CAR WASH.
THERE'S A CAR WASH THAT HAS BEEN ON THIS CORNER LOT FOR 20 YEARS.
THE CITY HAS REZONED THAT INTO A NEW ZONING USED THAT DOESN'T ALLOW CAR WASHES ANYMORE.
THEY CAN STILL OPERATE THERE BECAUSE, AND THEY'RE ILLEGAL NONCONFORMING USE.
BUT WITH THE, YOU KNOW, ADDING CASUALTY LOSS THINGS, IF THAT CAR WASH BURNED DOWN, I I THINK IT'S 60.
YEAH, IT IS 60% MORE THAN 60% OF THE VALUE.
THEY CAN'T OPERATE A CAR WASH THERE ANYMORE.
SO 61% OF THE VALUE DESTROYED, THEY CAN'T OPERATE A CAR WASH THERE ANYMORE.
BUT THAT'S JUST DESOTO ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO AT THAT POINT I'M OF THE OPINION THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO COMPENSATE THEM FOR TAKING THAT USE AWAY FROM THEM.
UM, THE ONLY REALLY WAY AROUND THAT IS NON-USE FOR SIX MONTHS.
UM, AND THE STATE LAW SAYS IF THEY DON'T USE SOMETHING FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN IT, THAT USE IS ABANDONED AND THERE'S NO CONSEQUENCES.
SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE DISCUSS THIS.
I DON'T QUITE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TO CHANGE.
UM, SO EVEN IF THIS WAS TO MOVE FORWARD, WE STILL WOULD NEED DIRECTION ON WHAT WE ARE CHANGING.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TO.
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MS. BROOKS.UH, MR. BREWER, OUR ORDINANCE CURRENTLY JUST SAYS 60%, WE DON'T HAVE ANY LANGUAGE FOR THE 12 MONTH COMMENCEMENT CURRENTLY, RIGHT? CORRECT.
AND SO IF WE DECIDED TO ADD THAT, THAT WOULD BE THE CHANGE WE'D BE ADDING IF WE DIDN'T CHANGE THE PERCENTAGE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE ADDED.
IF WE DECIDED TO ADD THAT CORRECTLY AND CURRENTLY UNDER CASUALTY LOSS SINCE WE REZONED THIS AREA, IF SOMEONE WAS TO LOSE THEIR PROPERLY, WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPENSATE THEM, UM, BASED ON AND SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT COMPENSATION ENTAIL? WE WOULD BUY THE PROPERTY FROM THEM.
NO, AND UNFORTUNATELY I'M NOT, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT REALLY PREPARED TO TALK DEEPLY INTO ALL THIS.
UM, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PAYMENT GOES INTO, BUT I THINK IT'S, THERE'S SOME SORT OF SORT OF CALCULATION IN THE CODE THAT YOU COME UP WITH, UM, WHAT THAT TAKING WOULD BE LIKE, WHAT YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON, UM, BY NOT BEING ABLE TO USE THAT PROPERTY LIKE THAT ANYMORE.
UM, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW.
AND WE'VE ALREADY REZONED THESE AREAS, RIGHT? NO SIR.
REMEMBER WE BROUGHT BACK TO YOU A REPORT AT YOUR MAY 28TH MEETING TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THE CITY COUNCIL TOOK THE ACTION TO IN A ESSENTIALLY REMAND IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION, UH, AND WITHOUT A DATE CERTAIN.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THAT ACTION.
SINCE STAFF HAD HEARD THREE AREAS OF CONCERN BEING A DUS NONCONFORMING AND THE NOTIFICATION PROCESS, THOSE THREE WE FELT WE COULD PROCEED ON BECAUSE THAT IS NOT A PART OF THE ZONING CHANGE.
BUT IT WAS A PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT RESIDENTS BROUGHT BEFORE BOTH YOU AND THE CITY COUNCIL AND BUT THE PROPERTY HAS NOT BEEN REZONED.
AND EVEN IF IT WAS REZONED, UM, WE WEREN'T STOPPING PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY FROM STOPPING ANY USE THAT PREVIOUSLY WAS ALLOWED.
THEY WOULD JUST BECOME LEGAL NONCONFORMING USES JUST LIKE ANY OTHER THING THAT WE REZONED.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO STOP THAT USE.
THE CITY WASN'T MAKING THEM STOP.
UM, THEY COULD CONTINUE THAT USE UNTIL THE ABANDONMENT PROVISIONS COME INTO EFFECT.
WHETHER THAT BE CASUALTY OR THERE IS, I BELIEVE THERE ALREADY IS IN THE CODE OF SIX MONTH LIKE ABANDONMENT THAT'S GONE AT THAT POINT.
SO IF WE REZONE, THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY BECOME NON-CONFORMING AND, BUT THEY COULD KEEP USING THE PROPERTY AS IS IN PERPETUITY.
THERE IS NO END DATE ON THAT UNLESS THEY GET, UH, CASUALTY DAMAGE.
IN WHICH CASE WE WOULD HAVE TO COMPENSATE THEM FOR THEIR LOSS OR CEASE THAT OPERATION OR THAT USE FOR SIX MONTHS.
THOSE ARE THE TWO THAT ARE ESTABLISHED.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DETERMINE TODAY IS IF WE'RE GOING TO ADD LANGUAGE TO THE 60% ORDINANCE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE, WHETHER WE'RE GONNA ADD IT OR CHANGE ANYTHING TO IT, RIGHT.
OR CONTINUE MORE DISCUSSION ON IT.
OR HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BRING YOU THAT PRESENTATION ON SECTION TWO, THAT COMMISSIONER RAVENELL WHATEVER YOU NEED, WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN.
WE'RE NOT ON A TIME CLOCK TO GET IT DONE.
WE JUST HEARD THAT THAT IS A INQUIRY WITH THAT PARTICULAR SECTION.
ADUS, NON-CONFORMING AND THE SENATE BILL.
YOU GOOD? I JUST HEARD SOMETHING FOR THE FIRST TIME.
I NEED A LITTLE CLARIFICATION.
UM, THE SIX MONTHS YOU STATE LAW YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME I HEARD THAT.
SO CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT DOES THAT MEAN AND HOW DOES IT RELATE TO THE 60% VERSUS THE RECONSTRUCTION WITHIN 12 MONTHS? THE CASUALTY LOSS PROVISIONS, THAT'S A CITY ORIGIN THING.
THAT'S NOT, YOU THINK OF YOUR MIC HERE.
THE CASUALTY LOSS PROVISION, THAT'S A CITY ORDINANCE ISSUE THAT'S NOT HAVING TO DO WITH STATE LAW.
UM, THE STATE LAW REQUIRING PAYMENT FOR LIKE AMORTIZATION FOR WHEN YOU MAKE A NONCONFORMING USE STOP THAT USE THOSE IS IT ONLY COUNTS UP TO SIX MONTHS IS WHAT THE STATE LAW SAYS.
SO THAT SIX MONTH ONCE, IF THEY'VE ABANDONED IT FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN THAT PROVISION DOESN'T COME INTO EFFECT.
IT'S LIKE IT EXCLUDES EVERYTHING.
SO, BUT EVEN IN THE CITY CODE, I BELIEVE THERE'S A PROVISION IN THERE THAT IF A LEGAL NON-PERFORMING USE IS UNUSED FOR SIX MONTHS, THEN IT, IT'S ABANDONED.
THEY'VE ABANDONED THAT USE AND THEY CAN'T USE IT ANYMORE.
THAT, THAT ALIGNS WITH ALSO THE STATE LAW AMORTIZATION PAYMENT SECTION, UH, WHICH SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE TO, THIS DOESN'T COUNT IF IT'S BEEN ABANDONED FOR SIX MONTHS.
THAT USE IS THAT LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE IS EXTERMINATED.
YOU MUST COMPLY WITH THE NEW USE AT THAT POINT.
SO EVERYTHING JUST LIKE A BUSINESS CLOSED.
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LET'S GO BACK TO A CAR WASH EXAMPLE.IF THE CAR WASH CLOSED FOR SIX MONTHS, SOMEONE ELSE COULD, COULDN'T COME IN THERE AND BUILD A CAR WASH ANYMORE.
THEY'D HAVE TO BUILD WHATEVER IS ALLOWED IN THE CURRENT ZONING.
MAY I ALSO MAKE THE COMMENT, LIKE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKAGE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD TIME TO READ IT.
UH, THERE IS A ENTIRE SECTION SEVEN IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE THAT REFERENCES NON-CONFORMING, UH, NON-CONFORMING USES AND STRUCTURE AND SPECIFICALLY SECTION 7.3 CONTINUING LAW FOR USE OF PROPERTY AND EXISTENCE OF STRUCTURE.
SUBSECTION C READS, AND THIS IS THE ONE THAT HAS THE LANGUAGE IN ABOUT THE, UH, SIX MONTHS IT READS, WHEN A NON-CONFORMING USE OF STRUCTURE WOULD, DOES NOT MEET THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS IN THIS ORDINANCE CEASES TO BE USED IN SUCH A MATTER AS STATED IN THE ABOVE OR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS.
SUCH USE SHALL NOT BE RESUMED AND PROOF OF SUCH EFFECT EVENT SHALL CONSTITUTE PRIMA PRIMA FACING PROOF OF FACADE.
I MAY BE SAYING IT WRONG, EXCUSE ME.
EVIDENCE OF ANY ACT OF ABANDONMENT EXCEPT AS ALLOWED IN SECTION 7.5.
ANY NONCONFORMING USE WHICH DOES NOT INVOLVE A PERMANENT TYPE OF STRUCTURE AND OPERATION AND WHICH IS MOVED FROM THE PREMISES, SHALL BE CONSIDERED TO HAVE BEEN ABANDONED.
AND WHAT I HAVE SHARED, UM, AT ONE POINT WHAT WE'VE KIND OF USED WITH OTHER CITIES THAT I'VE WORKED WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE DEEM A USE HAS STOPPED OPERATING FOR RESIDENTIAL USE? WE HAD SAID WE CHECK THE WATER BILL.
IF WE SEE THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE A WATER COUNT ACTIVE FOR A SIX MONTHS PERIOD, THEN NOT HAVING THAT WATER, THAT PLUMBING FIXTURE, UH, IS PROPERLY NOT MAKING THAT HOUSE USABLE FOR RESIDENTIAL PURPOSES.
OKAY, MS. BILL, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
THANK YOU MR. JUST, UH, CLARIFICATION.
SO IT'S BEEN DETERMINED BY LAW THAT ABANDONMENT AND CASUALTY LOSS EQUALS BECAUSE OF THE ORDINANCE, THE CITY STOPPING THAT OWNER FROM USING IT.
SO THAT'S WHY IT KICKS IN WITH THE COMPENSATION.
'CAUSE THAT CASUALTY LOSS PROVISION SAYS YOU HAVE TO STOP.
YOU CAN'T USE YOUR LEGAL NONCONFORMING USE ANYMORE.
TO ME, IN MY LIKE INFORMAL OPINION, THAT MEANS WELL THE CITY'S STOPPING YOU FROM USING THAT NONCONFORMING USE WHERE YOU COULD HAVE, NOT NOT, BUT FOR THE FIRE OR WHATEVER AND NOT, BUT FOR THE ORDINANCE, MR.
WHAT THAT I HAD LAST TIME WAS TO GIVE US SOME EDUCATIONAL AROUND THE AMATEURIZATION AND HOW THAT MIGHT IMPACT THE CITY IF THEY HAVE ANY IDEA HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT THE CITY.
SO IF YOU ALL COULD INCLUDE THAT, THAT WE TALK ABOUT THAT SECTION OF THAT, OF THE BILL.
THE SECOND THING IS, I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION, MR. BREWER, IF SOMEONE, IF WE CHANGE, UH, THE ZONING IN IN THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL IT, THEY'RE NOT GONNA, ARE THEY GONNA BE ABLE TO SELL IT AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENT? OR DOES IT, DOES IT HAVE TO GO TO THE CONFORMING USE ONCE THEY SELL AGAIN IF THE USE IS NOT DISCONTINUED FOR A SIX MONTHS PERIOD OF TIME SO THEY COULD SELL IT? YES.
WELL I THINK YOU'RE NOT ONLY SAYING SELLING, IF YOU'RE SAYING USING IT, YOU SAY WHAT? YOU CAN SELL IT.
NO, BUT CAN THE, CAN THEY SELL IT TO A HOMEOWNER? SOMEONE COME IN AND LIVE IN IT AS A HOUSE? YES.
THEY CAN CONTINUE BY THE REGULATION STATE AND LOCAL.
IT'S THAT SIX MONTHS TIME PERIOD.
HAS IT BEEN CEASED FROM USING THAT RESIDENTIAL USE FOR THAT SIX MONTHS TIME PERIOD.
AND IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CITY TO TRY TO PROVE THAT IT HAD BEEN NOT USED FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SEND NONE AT THIS TIME, MR. BURROW, WHAT DO YOU, WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TO KIND OF KEEP THE, THE SCENE? WELL, I, I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO TO FULFILL COMMISSIONER ANNE'S REQUEST IS, UM, STILL BRING THIS BACK TO YOU AS ANOTHER CONTINUATION ITEM, UM, AS I CITY THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO PRE PREPARE A PRESENTATION ON THAT, UH, SECTION TWO OF THE, UH, SENATE BILL.
AND THEN SEE MAYBE AFTER THOSE DISCUSSIONS IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH PROCEEDING ON, OR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION AFTER THAT.
I INITIALLY, AT SOME POINT, I REALLY NEED TO GET THIS IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S HAND BECAUSE THIS, THEY'RE THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY AND THIS IS ON SOME OF THEIR RADAR TO TALK ABOUT.
SO I'VE HEARD THE TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
CAN WE ALSO ADD TO THAT SO WE CAN, UH, KIND OF CLOSE IT OUT, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RECONSTRUCTION AND THE COMMENCEMENT WITHIN 12
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MONTHS AND WHAT, WHAT TYPE OF PROTECTIONS WOULD THE CITY HAVE? LIKE, OR, AND ALSO THE CITIZEN, LIKE SAY INSTANCE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IF INSURANCE IS HOLDING THEM UP OR WHAT IF THERE'S A LAWSUIT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND HERE'S 12 MONTHS.I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE STANDARD FOR DUNCANVILLE AND BOX SPRINGS, BUT I KNOW THE ANSWER IS WE'RE NOT BOUND BY IT.
BUT ARE THERE OTHER CITIES DOING OTHER THINGS ARE, ARE SOME CITIES DOING MORE THAN 12 MONTHS? LESS THAN 12 MONTHS? SO IF WE COULD ALSO, SINCE WE'RE GONNA HAVE ANOTHER DISCUSSION AND WE COULD JUST TALK ABOUT THAT PROPOSED PROVISION AS WELL, UH, SO HOPE.
'CAUSE WHAT I'M HOPING IS THE NEXT TIME WE DISCUSS IT, WE, THE DISCUSSION WOULD'VE BEEN SO EXHAUSTIVE THAT AT THAT TIME WE WERE READY TO TELL YOU YEAH, LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD AND GET ON THE AGENDA AS AN ACT ITEM.
SO FOR CLARIFICATION, IF I'M HEARING YOU ARE ASKING US TO EXPAND OUR RESEARCH YES.
BEYOND TO SEE EVEN WHAT MORE CITIES ARE DOING.
SO BEST THAT THAT WOULD BE WITH YOU.
AND BECAUSE, BECAUSE YES, I WANNA KNOW, BECAUSE, BECAUSE WE SEE TWO CITIES, BOX SPRINGS AND DUNCANVILLE, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.
BUT ARE THERE OTHER CITIES WHO HAVE A SIMILAR PROVISION AND IF SO, ARE THEY DOING THE EXACT SAME THING? ARE THEY DOING FEWER MONTHS, MORE MONTHS? AND DO THEY HAVE ANY KIND OF PROTECTIONS EITHER FOR THE CITI, EITHER FOR THE CITIZENS OR THE CITY AS IT RELATES? DO, DO, DO THEY ADDRESS IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE TIED UP WITH YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY OR IF YOU'RE TIED UP IN A LAWSUIT, ARE THERE A EXCEPTIONS MADE WHERE BASICALLY THAT THAT 12 MONTH PERIOD IS TOLD UNTIL WHATEVER LEGAL MATTER, WHATEVER ISSUE IS RESOLVED AND THEN, AND THEN IT KICKS BACK IN AFTERWARDS.
THAT I JUST WANNA KNOW IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANY, I GUESS ANY PROVISION THAT'S ADDRESSING THOSE FACTORS OR NOT.
WE WILL, UH, THROUGH OUR PLANNING OFFICE GO BACK AND SPECIFICALLY ASK THOSE TWO.
WE'LL ALSO EXPAND OUR REACH TO OTHER CITIES TO SEE WHAT WE FIND.
AS WELL AS THE UH, UH, REPORT BACK FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY.
WE'LL PUT IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
MY QUESTION IS, EVEN IF YOU FIND NO PRECEDENCE FOR WHAT THE, UH, COMMISSIONER JUST ASKED, CAN WE ADD THOSE PROVISIONS TO OUR A AMENDMENTS MR LA SAID ATTORNEY'S OFFICE ALSO A ANSWER THAT AT THAT TIME.
MR. CHAIRMAN, EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HAS BEEN THE NON-CONFORMING GEARS AND THE THING, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY TOUCHED ON ACCESSORY DRILLING UNITS.
UM, SO ARE WE LOOKING TO DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THEM OR NOT ALLOW THEM OR WHAT, WHAT, WHAT ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT IS YOUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM? OH, I'M SORRY.
ALMOST THOUGHT IT WAS PUT TOGETHER.
ALRIGHT, SO COMMISSIONERS, NOW IS THE TIME.
IS THERE ANYTHING ON THIS AGENDA ITEM E ONE, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT TO STAFF, UH, SO THAT THEY CAN ADDRESS IT AT OUR NEXT DISCUSSION? SO WE ARE THEN PREPARED TO MOVE FORWARD AS AN ACTION ITEM.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN THINK OF THAT YOU SAID, I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS OR I'D LIKE JUST ADDRESS YES, MR. BELL.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I GOT WHAT WAS ALREADY SAID COVERED.
SO WE WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT AMORTIZATION.
WE WANT TO HEAR DEFINITIVELY IF THE ORDINANCE DOES TRIGGER UM, THE PROVISION WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE PAID OUT, EVEN IF IT'S AN ACT OF NATURE.
UM, AND UM, YOU MENTIONED THE PRECEDENCE FOR, UH, ADDING PROVISIONS TO OUR LANGUAGE FOR ON TOP OF THE 12 MONTHS.
ALSO OTHER THINGS LIKE LITIGATION AND UH, INSURANCE.
SO THOSE THINGS FOR SURE, CALEB, I'M HOPING YOU HAVE THAT 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE OUT OF YOUR HOUSE.
AND MS. BROOKS, JUST ONE UM, QUESTION MAINLY FROM MY COLLEAGUES.
I KNOW IF, IF THIS TRIGGERS, IF THE ZONING GETS CHANGED, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD AT THE LAST PUBLIC MEETING, SPECIFICALLY ON HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR, UM, WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE 60%.
SO ARE WE ALL THINKING SIX PER 60% IS WHERE WE WANT TO LAND OR ARE WE OPEN TO THE RECONSTRUCTION COMMENCING WITHIN THE 12 MONTHS OF THE DATE OF THE DESTRUCTION? AND I'M JUST POSING THAT TO THE GROUP TO SEE WHERE WE YES.
UH, FOR ME, I THINK I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, I THINK 60% IS A FAIR NUMBER.
WE CAN ADD THE LANGUAGE FOR THE 12 MONTH COMMENCEMENT WITH THE CAVEATS FOR LITIGATION AND INSURANCE.
MS. CAESAR, IF YOU WANNA WEIGH IN, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
MR. RIGHT NOW I'M GOOD WITH 12 MONTHS
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I BELIEVE.I BELIEVE I'LL BE GOOD WITH 12 MONTHS, BUT AFTER WE HAVE OUR NEXT DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S WHERE I'M LEANING.
ANY OTHER UH, SUGGESTIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR STAFF ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? ALRIGHT.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS ITEM E TWO.
SO WE ARE SAYING PUT IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS YOUR SECOND, THE SECOND MEETING NEXT MONTH.
[2. Continue discussion (from the May 28, 2024 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting) of Accessory Dwelling Units (ADUs) and consider initiating the amendment of the City's Zoning Ordinance in reference to ADUs being allowed in any of the new Hampton Road Character Code zoning districts.]
TO ITEM E TWO.CONTINUED DISCUSSION FROM MAY 28TH, 2024.
PLAN IS UNDER COMMISSIONED MEETING AND ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS ADU AND CONSIDER INITIATING THE AMENDMENT OF THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE IN REFERENCE TO ADUS BEING ALLOWED IN ANY OF THE NEW HAMPTON ROAD CARE TO CODE ZONING DISTRICTS.
UH, MR. BREW, MAY WE HAVE OUR, OR MAY YOU LEAD THIS DISCUSSION PLEASE.
AGAIN, THIS WAS PLACED ON YOUR, UM, AGENDA MAY 28TH FOR DISCUSSION BECAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT WE HEARD THAT, UH, BROUGHT US SOME DISCUSSION.
ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT I KNOW I PERSONALLY THOUGHT IS MAYBE ON A WHOLE, EVERYBODY'S NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT OUR REGULATIONS CURRENTLY ARE.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU, THAT SECTION OF THE CODE, WHICH IS 40.3.
AND IN IN GENERAL IT IS SAYING THAT FOR AN ACCESSORY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, IT IS ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN YOUR LARGER LOTS.
AND THOSE WERE THIS THE, UH, S SA, WHICH IS ARCHITECT ARCHITECTURAL, SFCE, WHICH IS COUNTRY ESTATES AND SF SF IS SINGLE FAMILY E ESTATES.
THE AGRICULTURAL MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS THREE ACRES, COUNTRY STATES AND IT STATES THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE IS ONE ACRE.
SO FOR THOSE LARGER TRACKS OF LAND, IT WAS A USE BY RIGHT.
THE ZONING ORDINANCE ALSO ESTABLISHED THAT FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY, 20 15, 12 AND 10 ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, WHETHER IT'S A STANDALONE DWELLING OR A USE OVER A GARAGE WOULD BE ALLOWED, COULD BE CONSIDERED TO BE ALLOWED WITH THE PACIFIC USE PERMIT.
THAT'S WHAT THE CURRENT REGULATIONS STATE.
THEN WHEN OUR CONSULTANTS BROUGHT TO THE CITY, THE NEW HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODES, THEY ESTABLISHED THAT OUT OF THE FIVE NEW DISTRICTS THAT ARE APPROVED, THAT THE TWO DISTRICTS, UH, LOWER INTENSE DISTRICTS, WHICH WERE THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITION, THAT AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT COULD BE ALLOWED, BUT WITH THE PACIFIC USE PERMIT.
SO AGAIN, IT WOULD STILL BE A CASE BY CASE BASIS EVEN IN THAT HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE IN THOSE TWO DISTRICTS ONLY, IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED IN THOSE OTHER THREE CATEGORIES.
I'VE ADDED ACTUALLY IN YOUR, YOUR PACKAGE, UM, WHICH WE DIDN'T ADD THE FIRST TIME.
THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THAT HAMPTON ROAD THAT GOT SPECIFICALLY INTO, UM, SOME SIZE LIMITATIONS.
AND ACTUALLY WE MISSED THAT THE FIRST TIME WHEN WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU IN MAY.
ON YOUR STAFF REPORT ON PAGE TWO, YOU'LL SEE I SAY SECTION 2.5 ACCESSORY USAGES AND STRUCTURES SUBSECTION 2.5 2A ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS IN THE NEW HAMPTON CODE STATES, NUMBER ONE, THE ACCESSORY DWELLINGS SHALL BE ON THE SAME LOT AND ACCESSORY TO A SINGLE FAMILY LIVING USE THE GROSS SQUARE FOOTAGE MAXIMUM SHALL NOT EXCEED 1200 SQUARE FEET FOOT OR 75% OF THE GROSS FLOOR AREA OF THE PRIMARY STRUCTURE.
WHEN A UNIT IS ABOVE A GARAGE OR OTHERWISE ATTACHED TO THE PRIMARY OR ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THAT STRUCTURE DOES NOT COUNT TOWARD THE AREAS OF THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.
AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO YOU IS HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE CURRENTLY PLUS WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE IN THE TEXT FOR THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE SO THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MAKE A DECISION.
ARE ANY CHANGES NEEDED? THE QUESTION HAS COME UP ABOUT
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ACCESSORY DWELLINGS THAT I DON'T THINK STAFF AT THAT TIME PRESENTED.WHAT, WHAT ARE THE FACTS? WHAT ARE THE REGULATIONS? SO I WANT TO GET THEM BEFORE YOU, THE REGULATIONS, BOTH WHAT THE CITYWIDE REGULATIONS ARE, AGAIN USED BY RIGHT.
AND THE AGRICULTURAL CULTURE STATE AND THE STATE, WHICH IS ONE ACRE AND THREE ACRES, UH, WOULD BE ALLOWED BY SUP IN THE SF 20 15, 12 AND 10.
AND THEN IN THE NEW HAMPTON CHARACTER CODES, JUST IN THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITION WITH A PACIFIC USE PERMIT.
I WANTED TO BRING THAT TO YOU.
YOU MAY NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS OR FEEL ANY ACTION IS NEEDED, BUT THAT QUESTION OF A DS DID COME UP DURING THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING BY ONE OF THE, UM, COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO IF THAT'S A QUESTION AGAIN, I HAVE TO HOPING YOU'LL INITIATE IT SO THAT THAT CONVERSATION CAN GET UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEM TO MAKE ANY ACTIONS.
SHOULD THEY SEEM ANYTHING, SHOULD THEY DEEM ANYTHING AS WARRANTED? BUT WE NEED YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS TO SAY I'M FINE WITH IT OR LET'S CHANGE IT OR WHATEVER.
SO AGAIN, TONIGHT IS, IT'S CONTINUED DISCUSSION AS YOU HAD AUTHORIZED BEFORE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONCLUDED TONIGHT, BUT IT CAN, UM, CONTINUED DISCUSSION IF YOU'RE TAKE IT TO YOUR NEXT MEETING.
WE'RE JUST BRINGING IT TO YOU FOR THAT DISCUSSION.
AND MR. BELL, I'M FINE WITH IT.
THAT, THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION AS STATED BY MR. BREWER.
I DON'T SEE ANY NEED FOR CHANGES.
I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, MR. BREWER ON THE SCREEN, UH, IN THE ITALIC EXAM AT THE BOTTOM, ASSESSOR DWELLING UNITS ARE ALLOWED WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE DIRECTOR AND SUBJECT TO SPECIFIC F STANDARDS.
DOES THAT MEAN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE A YAY OR NAY DECISION ON EVERY TIME? I DON'T INTERPRETATE I INTERPRET THAT I'M GOING TO, AND MY STAFF ARE GONNA BRING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS GOOD ENOUGH THEN I'M, I'M GOOD WITH IT.
I'M GOOD WITH THE WAY EVERYTHING IS.
ALRIGHT NOW MR. BREWER, THAT DOES OPEN UP A QUESTION.
SO I THOUGHT WE WERE ALMOST DONE BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU INTERPRETED THAT YOU'RE GONNA BRING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
BUT LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE 10, 15 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD NOW AND YOU OFF ON SOME BEACH, YOU'RE RELAXING AND NOW YOUR, YOUR SUCCESSOR DOESN'T INTERPRET IT THAT WAY AND THEY TAKE IT AS IT IS WRITTEN.
SO THAT, THAT'S ALL WE, WE MIGHT WANT TO, I THINK, I THINK WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT.
I THINK WE, WE NEED TO DISCUSS IF WE WANT THIS TO BE SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE DIRECTOR OR SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE COMMISSION THAT'S WRITTEN AS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.
SO THAT WOULD NEVER COME BEFORE COMMISSION.
THE DIRECTOR OR HIS DESIGNEE IS, IS GOING TO APPROVE THAT.
SO IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY, MR. SMITH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT'S A NON-ISSUE, IT WOULD JUST GO THROUGH HIM OR HIS SUCCESSOR PERIOD.
SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS.
IS EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT, MR. BE? YES.
SO WITH THAT CLARIFICATION, MR. SMITH, UH, I THINK MY OTHER FIVE COMMISSIONERS HAVE SAID THEY'RE GOOD AND NOW I'LL MAKE IT UNANIMOUS.
SO WE DON'T, WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.
WE'LL LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT, I'M TRYING TO GET IT TO COUNSEL FOR THEM TO DISCUSS.
SINCE IT HAD BEEN A DISCUSSIONARY PIECE BY THEM.
IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET COUNSEL, WE CERTAINLY CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
YOU TELL US WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US TO INITIATE THIS? TO GET COUNSEL, TO GET WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU NEED? THINGS DON'T HAVE TO START HERE.
THEY DO NOT HAVE TO BE ONLY INITIATED BY P AND Z.
IF COUNCIL WANTS A CHANGE, THEY CAN REQUEST A CHANGE.
FORMULATE WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY ASKING RATHER THAN HAVE P AND Z WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANT, MAKE SOME CHANGE, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CHANGE IS THAT THEY'RE NEEDING TO MAKE.
SO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TAX AMENDMENTS CAN COME FROM EITHER BODY? THAT'S CORRECT.
IF CITY COUNCIL, UM, HAS SOMETHING THEY WANT CHANGE THAT CAN BE PUT ON THEIR AGENDA TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, THEY CAN INITIATE A ZONING CHANGE.
THEY CAN COME DOWN HERE FOR APPROVAL ONCE WE KNOW WHAT THAT IS.
AND HE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT AS WE SAY, WHO CAN CHANGE THE TEXT? CITY COUNCIL, PNZ OR THE PROPERTY OWNER? HE CAN EITHER COME DOWN, IT CAN EITHER COME
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UP.STAFF HEARD IT DISCUSSED AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET IT UP, BUT IT'S AT YOUR PLEASURE.
WELL WITH THAT, WITH THAT UNDERSTANDING THEN I'M HEARING THAT CITY COUNCIL CAN INITIATE IT IF THEY WANT TO.
THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED US TO INITIATE IT.
SO, UH, UNLESS I HEAR SOMETHING OTHERWISE FROM THE COMMISSION OR MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE IT AS IT IS.
I'M, I'M, SO THIS IS UNANIMOUS.
ALRIGHT, THE TIME IS NOW 9:34 PM UH, STAFF.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS? AND IF THERE IS, THAT'D BE THE OPPORTUNITY.
MS. JOY WILLIAMS THAT POINTED AT YOU.
EVERYBODY POINTED AT EACH OTHER.
SO THERE'S GOING TO BE, UM, I THINK YOU HAVE RECEIVED AN EMAIL ABOUT THE MINI RETREAT THAT IS GONNA INVOLVE YOU PNC, CITY COUNCIL AND UH, UH, DDC, UH, REGARDING THE HAMPTON PROJECT WHEN THE CITY MANAGER IS ON BOARD.
AND THAT IS GOING TO BE ON THE 19TH OF JULY FROM 12 STARTING AT 1230 TO ABOUT 4:00 PM AND ALSO THERE'S GOING TO BE A CLASS ON ETHICS THAT IS REQUIRED FOR YOU ALL FA THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WILL BE, UH, DOING, UM, DOING THE PRI DIRECTING THE DIRECT, THE, THE DISCUSSION ON ETHICS.
AND THIS IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON JULY 8TH AT 6:00 PM RIGHT IN THIS.
AND I AL ALSO, I THINK THAT THEY ALSO PROVIDE A VIRTUAL OPTION.
SO WE CAN'T BE HERE IN PERSON.
UH, WE'LL JUST HAVE TO SIGN IN THROUGH THE ZOOM MEETING.
YES, MS. JOAN WILLIAMS. ALSO, UM, WITH THAT, IF YOU DO IT VIRTUAL, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT THAT FORM ON ONLINE ALSO SAYING THAT YOU, UH, COMPLETED THE COURSE.
DID I READ THE INVITE CORRECTLY RELATIVE TO THE JOINT MEETING THAT THEY CHANGED PLANNING AND ZONING TO OPTIONAL REQUIRED? IT SAYS OPTIONAL REQUIRED.
NO, WE NEED YOU ALL THERE BECAUSE YOU, YOU MAKE DECISIONS, YOU'LL COMMEND STAFF TO CITY COUNCIL AND YOU NEED TO REALLY GET INTO THE WEEDS OF THIS.
ALRIGHT? ALRIGHT, STAFF, ANYTHING ELSE? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
TIME IS NOW 9:36 PM IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? SO MOVE.
ALRIGHT, SO I'M GONNA SAY MR. DALE MOVED IT BROOKS.
OH, SO YOU'RE DOING WHAT I'M DOING NOW? NOW, NOW BROOKS IS DOWN THERE.
OKAY, SO MR. BELL, MR. BELL MADE THE MOTION.
MS. CAESAR HAS SECOND THE MOTION.
ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY GOODNIGHT.