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          GOOD EVENING. EVERYBODY. IT IS TUESDAY. EXCUSE ME. IT'S MONDAY, JUNE 17TH AT 6 P.M. I'M MAYOR RACHEL PROCTOR, AND I WANT TO WELCOME EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO OUR SPECIAL MEETING TONIGHT, WE WILL GET STARTED WITH A ROLL CALL FROM DOCTOR ESTHER WILLIAMS, MAYOR RACHEL PROCTOR HERE. MAYOR PRO TEM LETICIA HUE HERE, COUNCILMEMBER PARKER HERE. COUNCILMAN NICOLE RAPHAEL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER ANDRE BYRD, SENIOR YEAR COUNCIL MEMBER DIANA MARKS HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CRYSTAL CHISM HERE. THANK YOU, DOCTOR WILLIAMS. AT THIS TIME, WE'LL HAVE THE FIRST ITEM 
          [a.  Presentation of DeSoto Champions Award]
ON OUR AGENDA, OKAY. SO PRESENTATION OF DESOTO CHAMPIONS AWARD MAKING THE PRESENTATION IS MAYOR RACHEL PROCTOR. RECEIVING IS DEACON STEVEN JACKSON, SENIOR . AND MEMBERS FROM THE DESOTO LIONS CLUB. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MAVS AND SEVEN. ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO, SO I WANT TO JUST JUST PRESENT OUR COMMUNITY CHAMPION RECOGNITION AWARD TONIGHT. AND THIS IS ALWAYS VERY EXCITING. AND WE'RE ABLE GLAD TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, TO RECOGNIZE THOSE THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THOSE ORGANIZATIONS THAT GIVE SO, SO MUCH BACK TO THE DESOTO COMMUNITY. AND THIS PARTICULAR AWARD IS TO FOSTER, AND RECOGNIZE THOSE RESIDENTS AND GROUPS THAT HAVE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTION ABOVE AND BEYOND TO IMPROVE THEIR LOCAL COMMUNITY OR A SIGNIFICANT POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. AND SO, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO MAY BE WONDERING, WELL, HOW DOES ONE GET THIS RECOGNITION? WE DO THIS BY NOMINATION. SO IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN NOMINATING SOMEONE THAT YOU SEE DOING GOOD THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY, PLEASE LOOK ON OUR WEBSITE TO GET THE INFORMATION ON HOW TO NOMINATE SOMEONE. NOW I'M GOING TO FIRST CALL UP DEACON STEPHEN W JACKSON, SENIOR, AND READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIM. COME ON UP . THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU DO. I'M GOING TO READ A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HIS BIO. STEPHEN W JACKSON SENIOR IS MARRIED TO PORSHA SEWELL JACKSON FOR 11 YEARS. THEY CURRENTLY RESIDE IN DESOTO AND TOGETHER THEY HAVE FIVE CHILDREN AND 15 GRANDCHILDREN. WOW. STEPHEN SPENT 39 YEARS IN CORPORATE AMERICA, GAINING EXTENSIVE OPERATIONAL EXPERIENCE AND EXPERTISE BEFORE JOINING COMMUNITY MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH. IN HIS FREE TIME, HE ENJOYS FIRING HANDGUNS, RIDING BIKES, AND DEDICATING HIMSELF TO HIS MINISTRY, PARTICULARLY MENTORING THE JUNIOR DEACONS OF COMMUNITY MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH, AND HE WAS NOMINATED BY MAYOR PRO TEM LATISHA HUGHES. NOW, I GOT TO ADD A LITTLE BIT, ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THIS BECAUSE I MEAN, HE THIS THIS DID NOT DO IT JUSTICE IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT THAT, THAT HE MAKES, ESPECIALLY BEHIND THE SCENES, WHEN THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON, THAT REQUIRES ACTIVATION, DEACON JACKSON IS THERE, ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DO THERE THROUGH COMMUNITY, MISSIONARY, BAPTIST CHURCH, MANY TIMES HE IS LEADING THOSE CHARGES AND LEADING THOSE THINGS , EVEN LIKE WHAT'S COMING UP THE BEAT THE HEAT, EVENT WHERE COMMUNITY IS GIVING OUT AC UNITS TO THOSE RESIDENTS IN NEED. THE SECOND CHANCE HIRING FAIR. I MEAN, I COULD I COULD GO ON AND ON. HE EVEN TEXTED ME THE OTHER DAY WE WERE HAVING SOME INCLEMENT WEATHER AND HE SAID, MAYOR, DO WE NEED TO? I'LL SUM IT UP AND SAY, MAYOR, DO WE NEED TO ACTIVATE BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT GOING ON GIVING AWAY FOOD. I MEAN, WE COULD WE COULD GO ON AND ON. AND SO WE APPRECIATE YOU. DEACON JACKSON AND I WANT TO READ THIS DESOTO COMMUNITY CHAMPION RECOGNITION AWARD. THIS CERTIFICATE IS PROUDLY AWARDED TO DEACON STEPHEN W JACKSON SENIOR IN GRATEFUL RECOGNITION OF YOUR CONTRIBUTION, ACTS OF KINDNESS AND POSITIVE IMPACT ON OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. YOU MUST BE THE CHANGE YOU WISH TO SEE IN THE WORLD. AND THAT IS A QUOTE BY MAHATMA GANDHI, SIGNED MAYOR RACHEL PROCTOR ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE CITY COUNCIL. AND I WOULD DARE SAY IF THE ENTIRE CITY OF DESOTO, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU DO AND FOR BEING ONE OF OUR COMMUNITY CHAMPIONS. CAN WE GIVE HIM A GREAT BIG HAND CLAP? THIS IS YOURS, AND THEN WE'LL GET A PHOTO AGAIN. OH WELL, WE TAKE OUT THE BRING IT OUT THERE. GOT IT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. OH, YES. TAKE A PICTURE. SINCE OUR NOMINATOR IS HERE, DEFINITELY. 
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NEXT WE WILL HAVE THE DESOTO LIONS CLUB TO COME UP AT THIS TIME. AND I'M GOING TO START READING BECAUSE THEY HAVE, THEY ARE GETTING READY THIS YEAR. WELL, I SAY WE ARE GETTING READY THAT HENCE MY YELLOW VEST AS WELL. WE'RE GETTING READY TO CELEBRATE 75 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY OF DESOTO. CAN WE GIVE THEM A GREAT BIG HAND CLAP FOR THAT? THE DESOTO LIONS CLUB CELEBRATES ITS 75TH ANNIVERSARY ON SEPTEMBER 19TH OF THIS YEAR. PASS THOSE OUT. THE LIONS CLUB WAS CHARTERED ON SEPTEMBER 19TH, 1949, THE SAME YEAR THAT THE CITY OF DESOTO WAS INCORPORATED. 
          THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF THE CLUB WAS VERNON H. CHOWNING WAS THE MAYOR AS WELL. HE WAS A MAYOR AS WELL. YEAH. FIRST MAYOR OF DESOTO. YEAH, FROM THE BEGINNING, THE DESOTO LIONS CLUB HAVE PLAYED AN ACTIVE ROLE IN MEETING THE NEEDS OF THE DESOTO CITIZENS. MAYBE THE DESOTO LIONS ARE MOST NOTED FOR THEIR HAMBURGERS. FOR DECADES, THE DESOTO LIONS GRILLED HAMBURGERS AT THE DESOTO HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL GAME. WITH THE SMELL OF THE GRILL BURGERS FLOATING IN THE AUTUMN WIND VERY FEW SPECTATORS COULD RESIST PURCHASING A BURGER. THE UNTOLD STORY OF THE BURGERS IS THIS THE FUNDS RAISED BY THE SALE OF THE BURGERS PROVIDED FREE EYE EXAMINATION AND GLASSES FOR DESOTO ISD STUDENTS SUPPORTED THE TEXAS LIONS CAMP FOR KIDS WITH DISABILITIES AND MUCH MORE. TODAY. TODAY, THE DESOTO LIONS ARE STILL SUPPORTING THEIR COMMUNITY THROUGH THE VARIOUS LION CHARITIES AND INDIVIDUAL CHARITIES SUCH AS THE DESOTO AREA FOOD PANTRY. IN THE SPRING OF 2022, THE DESOTO LIONS ADOPTED ERNIE ROBERTS PARK. THE CLUB PURCHASED A MUSICAL INSTRUMENT FOR THE CHILDREN'S ALL ABILITIES PLAY AREA IN THE PARK, DEVELOPED A WILDFLOWER AREA ALONG THE ROYER TRAIL, WHERE IT CONNECTS TO THE PARK AND MEMBERS CLEAN THE PARK ON SATURDAY MORNINGS. SINCE ADOPTING ERNIE ROBERTS PARK, THE DESOTO LIONS HAVE COMMITTED OVER 200 VOLUNTEER HOURS TO CLEAN THE PARK, THE LATEST PUBLIC SERVICE ACTIVITY THAT THE LIONS HAVE ADOPTED IS PARTICIPATING WITH SLEEP IN AVENLY PEACE TO BUILD BEDS FOR KIDS THAT DO NOT HAVE ONE TO SLEEP ON AT NIGHT. THE DESOTO LIONS ARE NOW PLANNING THEIR 75TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION FOR THE FOURTH THIS SEPTEMBER AND LOOK FORWARD TO MANY, MANY MORE YEARS OF COMMUNITY SERVICE. THE DESOTO LIONS MEET ON THE SECOND AND FOURTH TUESDAY OF EACH MONTH AT ACAPULCO. SHAMELESS PLUG, LOCATED AT 225 EAST BELTLINE ROAD IN DESOTO, AND THIS NOMINATION WAS SUBMITTED BY MR. FRED HART, WHO IS ALSO A FORMER FIRE CHIEF HERE IN THE CITY OF DESOTO AND CURRENTLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE DESOTO LIONS CLUB. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR ALL THAT YOU DO. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED WE'LL GET A PHOTO OF YOU. HOW YOU GOING? I CAN. SEE, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE. ONE. YOU BETTER GET IT OUT OF YOUR PHONE. TAKE YOUR PHONE. YOUR PHONE IS LOCKED. I THINK WE GOT JUST ENOUGH. LET ME. OH, LET ME FIX IT. I GOT TO HAVE A PICTURE. OH WE WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR JOINING THE DESOTO LIONS CLUB. YEAH, YEAH. 
          WE WANT TO THANK THE CITY FOR RECOGNIZING US. BUT ALSO, I WANT TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT. OUR, 75TH CELEBRATION WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER THE 21ST, 6:00 PM, AT THE DESOTO FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH COMMUNITY HALL AT 6:00 ON THAT SATURDAY. SO, ANYWAY, IF MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND PLAN ON, HELPING US CELEBRATE OUR 75TH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, APPRECIATE IT. CAN WE GIVE ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY CHAMPIONS A GREAT BIG HAND CLAP? AT THIS TIME, DOCTOR 
          [b.  Presentation of a proclamation Honoring Juneteenth]
WILLIAMS WILL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. OKAY PRESENTATION OF A PROCLAMATION HONORING JUNETEENTH. MAKING THE PRESENTATION IS MAYOR PRO TEM LATISHA HUGHES RECEIVING ITS PARKS DIRECTOR, CHRIS GLOVER. GOOD EVENING. DESOTO. OKAY. PROCLAMATION FOR JUNETEENTH 
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CELEBRATION. WHAT A TIME. WHAT AN OCCASION. AND IT READS, WHEREAS PRESIDENT ABRAHAM LINCOLN ISSUED THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION ON JANUARY FIRST, 1863, DECLARING ANYONE HELD AS A SLAVE WITHIN THE REBELLIOUS STATES AS FREE. AT THE TIME, THE STATE OF TEXAS HOUSED MORE THAN A QUARTER MILLION ENSLAVED AFRICAN AMERICANS. IN APRIL 1865, SURRENDER OF THE CONFEDERATE ARMY AND THE END OF THE CIVIL WAR OCCURRED, AND WHEREAS ON JUNE 19TH, 1865, GENERAL GORDON GRANGER ARRIVED IN GALVESTON, TEXAS, ISSUING GENERAL ORDER NUMBER THREE, WHICH INFORMED THE ENSLAVED PEOPLE OF GALVESTON THEY WERE FREE. AS THE NEWS QUICKLY SPREAD, THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FLOODED THE STREETS OF THIS SMALL ISLAND TOWN, REJOICING IN THEIR NEWFOUND FREEDOM AND CELEBRATING WITH SONG, DANCE, AND PRAYERS. HERE.BY CREATING GROUNDWORK FOR HOW WE NOW CELEBRATE WHAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS JUNETEENTH. TO ACKNOWLEDGE AFRICAN AMERICAN FREEDOM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS. AND WHEREAS, DUE TO THE MIGRATION OF AFRICAN AMERICAN TEXANS ACROSS THIS COUNTRY SINCE EMANCIPATION, VARIATION OF THESE CELEBRATIONS HAS SPREAD AND EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS, MOST NOW TAKE THIS AS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO REMEMBER THE PAST, RECOGNIZE THE SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTIONS OF THOSE WHO ARE OF AFRICAN DESCENT IN AMERICA, CELEBRATE DIVERSITY IN OUR COMMUNITIES, AND REINFORCE OUR HOPE FOR TRUE EQUALITY FOR ALL. 
          AND WHEREAS, FREE FROM THE OPPRESSION WHICH IMMORALLY DEPRIVED THEM OF HUMAN DIGNITY, THEIR LONG OVERDUE EMANCIPATION WAS CELEBRATED ON JUNE 19TH, JUNETEENTH AND THIS YEAR MARKS THE 159TH YEAR OF JUNETEENTH, THE OLDEST KNOWN CELEBRATION COMMEMORATING THE ABOLISHMENT OF SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATES. AND WHEREAS WE CELEBRATE JUNETEENTH, LET US CONTINUE TO ADVANCE THE WORK OF EQUITY, EQUALITY AND JUSTICE. REMEMBER THE CENTURIES OF STRUGGLE, COURAGE AND HOPE THAT HAVE BROUGHT US TO THIS TIME OF PROGRESS AND POSSIBILITY AND ENSURE THAT THE EVENTS OF 1865 ARE NOT FORGOTTEN. NOW, THEREFORE, I, RACHEL L PROCTOR, BY THE POWER VESTED IN ME AS MAYOR OF THE CITY OF DESOTO, TEXAS, DALLAS COUNTY, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM JUNE 29TH. EXCUSE ME. JUNE 19TH, 2024, AS JUNE 19TH, TIONAL INDEPENDENCE DAY IN THE CITY OF DESOTO, TEXAS, AND URGE ALL CITIZENS TO CELEBRATE HONORING THE END OF SLAVERY IN THE UNITED STATES. MANY OF US MAY JUST BE LEARNING ABOUT THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS HOLIDAY, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO TAKE TIME TO RECOGNIZE ITS PLACE IN AMERICAN HISTORY AND REFLECT ON THE LONG STRUGGLE FOR EQUAL RIGHTS. IN OFFICIAL RECOGNITION WHEREOF, I HAVE SET MY HAND AND CAUSED THE SEAL OF THE CITY OF DESOTO, TEXAS, TO BE AFFIXED THIS 17TH DAY OF JUNE, 2024. 
          RACHEL PROCTOR, MAYOR ALICIA THOMAS, CITY SECRETARY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE WORDS? LET'S GIVE HIM A HAND. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS SOUNDS LIKE I HAD A CHOICE OR NOT. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR LEADERSHIP WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL, CEDAR HILL, WHO JUST HOSTED, JUNETEENTH. AND FROM WHAT I HEARD, IT WAS A FANTASTIC EVENT, LANCASTER AND, DUNCANVILLE AS WELL, 159 YEARS. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE, THAT KEPT THIS TRADITION GOING, FOR ALL THIS TIME BEFORE IT BECAME A NATIONAL HOLIDAY. AND FOR THAT RESILIENCY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEING AN AMERICAN AMERICAN CITIZEN, THE PEOPLE THAT REALLY KEPT THAT GOING, REALLY, REALLY NEED TO BE COMMENDED FOR, PASSING IT DOWN FROM GENERATION AN TO GENERATION. AND THIS, JUNETEENTH ISN'T JUST AN AFRICAN AMERICAN, HOLIDAY, OKAY? IT'S AMERICAN HOLIDAY. AND SO ALL OF US, WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF AMERICA, REALLY NEED TO, OR IT WOULD BE NICE IF EVERYONE RECOGNIZED THAT . AND WHEN WE START TURNING THE CORNER AS A COUNTRY, WE WILL ALL CELEBRATE EACH OTHER, REGARDLESS OF WHEN THAT IS. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU ALL. THANKS FOR THE PROCLAMATION, MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU, MR. GLOVER. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. NEXT ITEM IS 
          [c.  Presentation of Financial Report May 2024]
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PRESENTATION OF FINANCIAL REPORT MAY 2024. MAKING THE PRESENTATION IS LAQUITA SUTTON, INTERIM FINANCE DIRECTOR. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. TAKING A LOOK AT OUR MAY 2024 FINANCIAL REPORT, HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT WE'RE ALREADY FINISHED OUR EIGHTH MONTH INTO FISCAL YEAR 2024. LET'S BEGIN BY LOOKING AT OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE. OUR BUDGETED GENERAL FUND REVENUE 58.5 MILLION, YEAR TO DATE WE HAVE COLLECTED 50.5 MILLION, YOU CAN TAKE A LOOK THERE AT OUR MAJOR REVENUE SOURCES. WE HAVE LISTED OUR PROPERTY TAX, SALES TAX, OF COURSE, OUR FINES AND FORFEITURES, INTERGOVERNMENTAL LICENSE AND PERMITS. SEVERAL OF THESE CATEGORIES HAVE SURPASSED OUR PROJECTION AT THIS TIME IN THE FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVE OUR TRANSFERS THAT COME INTO THIS FUND. I BELIEVE ONE COUNCIL MEMBER ASKED ABOUT THAT AT A PRIOR MEETING. OUR INTERFUND TRANSFER, THE THIRD ONE FROM THE BOTTOM. THOSE ARE DONE QUARTERLY. SO AT THIS POINT IN THE FISCAL YEAR, WE ARE GOING TO SHOW BE SHOWING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER AT 75% THERE. THE SAME THING WITH THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEE REIMBURSEMENT. THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM CONSISTS OF THE REVENUE THAT COMES INTO THE GENERAL FUND FROM THE PROPRIETARY FUNDS TO COVER ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS. THOSE ARE DONE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS. SO THAT BUMPS US UP A LITTLE BIT PAST THE 67% MARK. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY AT THE 75% MARK ON THOSE. SO OUR TOTAL REVENUE, YEAR TO DATE IS 86.3, A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THIS TIME LAST YEAR. BUT WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH HAVING COLLECTED THIS AMOUNT OF REVENUE THUS FAR. 
          MOVING DOWN TO THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES AT 67% INTO THE FISCAL YEAR, YOU WILL SEE THAT, SEVERAL OF THE DEPARTMENTS ACTUALLY EACH DEPARTMENT LISTED, IT'S COME IN BELOW BEFORE, BELOW THE 67% MARK AT THIS POINT, WITH THE EXPTION OF NON-DEPARTMENTAL, WHICH I'LL DISCUSS THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. BUT EACH OF THE DEPARTMENTS HERE, IF YOU SEE VARIANCES BETWEEN YEAR TO DATE THIS TIME LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR, MOSTLY IT'S GOING TO BE DUE TO PERSONNEL CHANGES, DEPENDING THIS YEAR WE MAY BE MORE FULLY STAFFED THAN THIS TIME LAST YEAR OR VICE VERSA, SO THAT IS GOING TO BE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE TYPE OF, VARIANCES THERE. AS WE KNOW, OUR IN OUR GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS, PERSONNEL MAKES UP THE MAJORITY OF THOSE COSTS. SO, NON-DEPARTMENTAL BUDGETED 1.6 MILLION YEAR TO DATE, ACTUAL 1.9 MILLION 116% ACTUAL YEAR TO DATE. I DID GO AHEAD AND SEND COUNCIL, A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT IS COMPRISED WITHIN NON-DEPARTMENTAL. I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MUCH OVER, BUT AT SOME POINT LAST FISCAL YEAR, WE HAD A REQUEST TO SEPARATE OUT FROM NON-DEPARTMENTAL. THE ACTUAL ECONOMIC INCENTIVE. SO IF YOU CAN SEE THE ACTUAL ECONOMIC INCENTIVE THERE, IT IS A PART OF NON-DEPARTMENTAL RIGHT HERE AND BUDGETED THERE IS 2.6 MILLION AND WE'VE ONLY WE'RE ONLY AT 8% THERE. SO IF WE HAD KEPT THOSE TWO COMBINED, IT WOULDN'T SHOW THAT IT WOULD BE SO MUCH, OUT OF OUT OF BALANCE THERE. ACTUALLY, THE TOTAL BUDGET BETWEEN THE TWO WOULD BE 4.3 MILLION. AND THE EXPENSE WOULD BE 2.1 MILLION, WHICH PUTS US AT 50. SO I DID WANT TO POINT THAT OUT. BUT AGAIN, I HAVE PROVIDED COUNCIL WITH THE DETAIL OF WHAT'S INCLUDED WITHIN NON-DEPARTMENTAL. OF COURSE. IS THERE IF THERE IS ANY LINE ITEMS THAT MANAGEMENT FEELS THAT WE NEED TO BRING FORWARD WITH IT FOR ANY TYPE OF BUDGET AMENDMENT ? OF COURSE, WE WILL BRING THAT FORWARD. NEXT WE WILL MOVE INTO THE PUBLIC UTILITY FUND. SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH HOW THE REVENUE IS COMING IN INTO THE PUBLIC UTILITY FUND. WE KNOW THAT OUR MAJOR SOURCES HERE ARE OUR METERED WATER SALES. AND SEWER SALES MAKES UP THE MAJORITY OF THAT BUDGET, 
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ACTUALLY, 12.6 MILLION BUDGETED REVENUE FOR WATER AND 15, MILLION BUDGETED FOR SEWER REVENUE. AND YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER FOR VARIOUS LINE ITEMS LISTED HERE IN THE REVENUE CATEGORY. OF COURSE, WE KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT OFF TOO MUCH FROM THIS TIME LAST YEAR. THIS IS NORMALLY WHERE WE ARE THIS TIME OF YEAR. YOU WILL SEE THAT INCREASE, PRETTY RAPIDLY AS THE SUMMER PROGRESSES BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WEATHER DURING OUR HOTTEST MONTHS, WE, WE DO BRING IN MORE REVENUE IN THOSE MONTHS ARE YET TO BE, REFERRED IN JUNE, JULY AND AUGUST. ACTUALLY SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED WITH WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR PUBLIC UTILITY REVENUE YEAR TO DATE. OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES EXPENDITURES ARE LISTED AS WELL, BUDGETED 28 MILLION YEAR TO DATE. ACTUAL OWN EXPENSE IS 18 MILLION. THAT PUTS US AT 67.2, THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF A VARIANCE THERE FROM THIS TIME LAST YEAR. MOSTLY DUE TO BEING MORE STAFFED IN OUR UTILITY FIELD OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT. WE DID RECEIVE SOME EARLY BILLING FOR SOME OF OUR SOFTWARE AND HOSTING FEES THIS FISCAL YEAR, AND SO THAT PUT US UP JUST A LITTLE BIT FROM LAST YEAR, FROM 60% TO 69. BUT OVERALL, WE'RE RIGHT WHERE WE ARE IN THE BUDGET AT 67% ON EXPENDITURES. IN SANITATION, WE CONTINUE TO PERFORM WELL WITH OUR REVENUE THERE AS WELL. OF COURSE, THE MAJORITY IS GOING TO STEM FROM OUR SANITATION FEES THAT ARE CHARGED TO CUSTOMERS. WE ARE AT 62.2% THERE. THE VARIOUS OTHER CATEGORIES ARE LISTED HERE, WHICH GIVES US A TOTAL OF 65.6% IN THAT AREA. YOU'LL CONTINUE TO NOTICE THAT INTEREST REVENUE IN ALL OF THE FUNDS CONTINUE TO BE AHEAD OF BUDGET DUE TO MARKET CONDITIONS AND ALSO JUST DUE TO THE STELLAR PERFORMANCE OF OUR INVESTMENT PORTFOLIO. SO WE'RE WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT AS WELL. OUR SANITATION EXPENSES BUDGETED AT 6.9 MILLION YEAR TO DATE, WE HAVE SPENT 3.7 MILLION. THAT PUTS US AT 53.8% FOR THE, FOR THIS TIME OF THE FISCAL YEAR . MOVING FORWARD INTO OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, OUR REVISED BUDGET, ORIGINAL BUDGETS, REVISED BUDGETS, YEAR TO DATE, ACTUALS, YEAR TO DATE, ACTUAL PERCENTAGES ARE LISTED TO THE FAR RIGHT, AND THESE ARE, OF COURSE, JUST IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR CAPITAL PLAN IN. AND THE LAST CATEGORY OF FUNDS IS GOING TO BE OUR SPECIAL REVENUE AND INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS. AND THE PERCENTAGES ARE LISTED ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HOW WE ARE PERFORMING. SO FAR WITH OUR REVENUE. THESE ARE OUR BASICALLY DEPENDING UPON THE NATURE OF THESE PARTICULAR FUNDS. SOME OF THEM ARE REPLACEMENT FUNDS THAT HAPPEN ON A CERTAIN SCHEDULE. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE GRANT FUNDS. THAT HAPPENS ACCORDING TO WHEN WE REQUEST THOSE PARTICULAR FUNDS. BUT ALL OF YOUR DETAIL IS LISTED THERE. AND THEN THE SAME THING ON THE EXPENSE SIDE, YOU WILL HAVE THERE YOUR ANY BUDGET REVISIONS. THEN IN THE MIDDLE YOUR YEAR TO DATE ACTUALS AND TO THE FAR RIGHT YOUR PERCENTAGE OF BUDGET USE YEAR TO DATE. NEXT WE HAVE OUR PROPERTY TAX COLLECTIONS REPORT AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE GENERAL FUND REVENUE SIDE, WE HAVE COLLECTED MAJORITY OF OUR PROPERTY TAX. THIS REPORT SHOWS THAT WE'RE AT 97.92% FOR PROPERTY TAX COLLECTIONS, WHICH IS REALLY NORMAL FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR. LASTLY WE OUR HUB REPORT FOR THE MONTH OF MAY. THANK YOU FOR THE MONTH OF MAY. WE HAVE 5.2, THAT THAT LEAVES US A NET AP, PAYMENT OUT OF 3.2 MILLION. AND WE HAVE SPENT $168,403 FOR THE MONTH OF MAY, 
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FOR YEAR TO DATE, FROM OCTOBER TO MAY, WE HAVE SPENT $1,041,511 WITH HUBS. THAT PUTS US AT 4.8% TOTAL FOR YEAR TO DATE. AND THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. THANK YOU, MISS SUTTON. COUNCIL ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MAY 2024 FINANCIAL REPORT? DOCTOR MARKS? THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. 
          AND THANK YOU, MISS SUTTON, FOR YOUR REPORT, AND MAYBE COUNCIL CAN HELP ME WITH THIS AS WELL. 
          WHEN I THINK ABOUT THE 2020 CENSUS, I'M LOOKING AT, WE'RE LOOKING AT 57,000 PLUS RESIDENTS HERE OUT OF THAT NUMBER, OR THERE ARE ABOUT 8400 SENIORS. SO MY QUESTION IS ON THIS REPORT, $120,000 WAS BUDGETED, ABOUT 83,000 HAS BEEN SPENT. AND WE'RE ABOUT 67, 68% OF THAT. SO I GUESS MY REAL QUESTION IS HOW MANY RESIDENTS DOES THIS SERVE RIGHT NOW? WHAT IS THE PARTICIPATION VERSUS THE ELIGIBILITY? ARE YOU LOOKING. AND THEN BEFORE YOU ANSWER IS HOW DO HOW DO RESIDENTS KNOW THAT THEY EVEN QUALIFY? WHAT IS IT? WHAT IS THE AGE 60, 62, 65? WHAT IS IT? ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE CDBG HOME PROGRAM? NO NO NO NO NO, I'M REFERRING TO THE REVENUE THAT, THE SENIOR FOLKS FOR WATER AND FOR SEWER, FOR WATER AND FOR SEWER, THERE IS A DISCOUNT THAT THE SENIORS RECEIVE. SO WHAT CATEGORIES WHAT MAKES YOUR SENIOR IS IT 60, 62, 65? I WOULD FROM THE AMOUNT THAT'S HERE. I'M GONNA DEFER I KNOW HOW MANY PARTICIPANTS DO WE HAVE VERSUS THE ONES THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR IT. AND IF SO WHAT DOES DO THEY EVEN KNOW THAT? BECAUSE I WOULD THINK THE NUMBERS WOULD CHANGE EVERY YEAR. YES MA'AM. SO GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. COUNCIL. SO THE AGE FOR A SENIOR IS 65. AND THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT IS SET BY THE CITY OF DESOTO. THAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE TEXAS WATER CODE, BASED ON WHAT WE CAN CHARGE FOR AS FAR AS OFFER AS FAR AS A DISCOUNT BASED ON AGE. RIGHT? I DO NOT HAVE THE CURRENT NUMBER. I WOULD HAVE TO GET THAT BACK TO YOU. OKAY. BACK WITH YOU. SO IS THIS SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE APPLY FOR? IS IT AUTOMATIC? WHAT IS THAT? IT IS ACTUALLY ONE. KNOW THAT THEY EVEN QUALIFY FOR IT. SO IT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT THEY APPLY FOR. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AUTOMATIC. THAT JUST COMES BASICALLY THROUGH CONVERSATION. UB COUNTERS AS WELL. WITH OUR STAFF. BUT IT'S NOTHING THAT VERBIAGE TO GET IT OUT. THE ADVERTISING TO LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. SO WE DEFINITELY CAN, YOU KNOW, GET WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND TREND IN THAT DIRECTION TO ADVERTISE AND MAKE IT MORE WIDELY KNOWN THAT THAT IS AVAILABLE BENEFIT IF YOU ARE OVER THE AGE OF 65. OKAY, GREAT. BECAUSE I'M JUST LOOKING AT 8400. THAT FITS INTO THAT CATEGORY, 120,000 THAT WE BUDGETED. IT JUST SEEMS A LITTLE LOW FOR THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY IS ELIGIBLE VERSUS THE PARTICIPATION THAT WE HAVE IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA. SO YES, MA'AM. AND THEN IT ALSO WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TO WHO THE ACCOUNT NAME IS UNDER AS WELL, SO THAT THAT DOES FACTOR INTO IT AS WELL. YES MA'AM. 
          OKAY. AND THEN ALSO TO KIND OF ADD TO THAT, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT A GREAT NUMBER OF OUR SENIORS LIVE IN ASSISTED LIVING OR LIVING SOME OF OUR SENIOR APARTMENTS AND THEIR WATER ACCOUNTS ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTS. USUALLY THEY'RE THROUGH THE ACTUAL OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. SO THAT'S A BIG NUMBER, RIGHT? IN TERMS OF INDIVIDUAL, THAT THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR SENIORS AND VERSUS THOSE THAT MAY LIVE IN A SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND HAVE A WATER ACCOUNT IN THEIR NAME AS WELL. RIGHT RIGHT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE NUMBER, THE BREAKOUT OF THAT, BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO IF YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR IT, I'D LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE ELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE IT. YES, MA'AM, POINT OF INFORMATION, MAYOR. WITH WHAT YOU ARE JUST SPEAKING ON, DOCTOR MARKS, ARE YOU ON PAGE? ARE YOU ON THE ACTUAL, PAGE? WHAT IS THIS ON THE ACTUAL EXPENDITURES? THE EXPENSES WHERE IT SAYS THERE'S 1200. I'M SORRY, 12,100 THAT'S EXPENDED, THAT'S BUDGETED, AND THAT THEY'VE USED 7978. IS THAT WHERE YOU WERE? I'M JUST TRYING TO REVENUE OFF THE PUBLIC UTILITIES. IF YOU LOOK AT, 45 FOR 19, THE SENIOR DISCOUNT FOR WATER AND FOR SEWER, WE BUDGETED 120,000 FOR THAT. OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE. SO WHAT WHAT ARE YOU SAYING IS LOW? BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE IT SEEMS THAT TO BE TO ME, IN MY OPINION, IT'S ALMOST 70% OF THE BUDGETED AMOUNT. AM I LOOKING AT THAT CORRECTLY? THAT IS CORRECT. BUT I'M JUST SAYING VERSUS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT QUALIFY, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND OF COURSE THIS LOOKS GOOD COMPARED TO THIS. BUT IS IT THE OVERALL PICTURE OF PEOPLE THAT'S REALLY ELIGIBLE? WELL, WE HAVE A WAY TO FIND THAT OUT. SO I THINK DOCTOR MARKS, 
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WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR JUST ON A PER CAPITA, HOW MANY SENIORS WE HAVE, BASED ON HOW MANY DISCOUNTS WERE WERE RECONCILING EACH MONTH? YES, MA'AM. WE CAN FIGURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT'S ELIGIBLE, I WANT TO WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT THEY THEY CAN APPLY FOR IT. AND IF SO, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM THE CITY? HOW DO WE GET THAT MESSAGE TO THEM? YES, MA'AM. MADAM MAYOR, CAN I SPEAK TO THAT? I THINK DOCTOR MARK IS ON TOP OF SOMETHING. HOWEVER, REMEMBER THAT THE MEDIAN AGE IN DESOTO IS 38, SO. WELL IT WAS AT ONE TIME 38. IT MIGHT HAVE CHANGED, BUT IT IS NOT. STILL, THE MAJORITY OF OUR CITIZENS ARE NOT 65, SO THAT MIGHT BE THE DISPARITY BETWEEN THE NUMBERS, BECAUSE IF YOUR AVERAGE AGE, IF YOU TAKE EVERY ELIGIBLE PERSON IN THE CITY AND THE AVERAGE AGE IS 41, 38, THE LAST I READ IT WAS 38, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD MEAN THAT THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR SENIORS, THAT WOULD BE ONE ACCOUNT. WHAT THE MAYOR SAID IS ANOTHER ACCOUNT THAT THE A LOT OF A LARGE MAJORITY OF OUR SENIORS, LIVE IN HOMES WHERE WATER IS NOT AS PART OF THEIR UTILITIES OR PART OF THEIR RENT. RIGHT. AND SO, I I'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE. YEAH. I HAVE I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS, I GUESS, SINCE WE'RE ON THE TOPIC, WHAT IS THE AVERAGE AMOUNT OF THAT DISCOUNT? BECAUSE LAST TIME WE, WE KIND OF SPOKE ABOUT THIS, THIS IS ABOUT $3 PER DOLLARS. YES, MA'AM. SO WHEN YOU DIVIDE ■$3 INTO THAT, I GUESS FROM A MONTHLY, YOU COULD, YOU COULD PROBABLY GATHER ASCERTAIN HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT IS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT DIVIDED BY HOWEVER MANY MONTHS WE ARE INTO THE BUDGET CYCLE, I GUESS JUST KIND OF LOOKING AT THAT. BUT AGAIN, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO REALLY FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE TRULY WOULD QUALIFY? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD FIND OUT WHO'S 65 AND OLDER AND WHO'S WATER BILL. 
          I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE TO KIND OF JUMP THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT LIKE THAT. 
          OR HOW COULD WE ACTUALLY ASCERTAIN THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE I UNDERSTAND HER QUESTION AND HER REQUEST. I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE WHAT? HOW COULD WE GET TO THAT NUMBER TO FIND OUT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY THAT'S QUALIFIED FOR VERSUS THOSE THAT DON'T TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF DISCOUNTS THAT WE DO OFFER ON A ON A BILLING CYCLE, THAT WOULD BE PRETTY EASY. BUT AS FAR AS HOW MANY WOULD BE ELIGIBLE OTHERWISE THAT WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, SEARCHING AND ACCOUNTS, LOOKING AT ITS DATE OF BIRTH, YOU KNOW, ON THE SUPPORTING DOCUMENTATION ON ACCOUNTS, BECAUSE THAT'S NOT READILY AVAILABLE INFORMATION AS A PART OF THE SUPPLEMENTARY DOCUMENTATION ON THE ACCOUNT. SO THEN MAYBE ANOTHER WAY WE CAN TACKLE THAT IS JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE INFORMATION OUT, MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE KNOW THAT IT'S AVAILABLE AND THEN LEAVE IT UP TO THEM TO APPLY. YES MA'AM. THANK YOU. 
          ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU COUNSELOR. THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBER PARKER? YES, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, AND THANK YOU FOR GIVING THAT, BREAKDOWN OF THE DEPARTMENTAL ITEMS. AND I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ON THE, THE ITEM THAT WAS BROKEN OUT. I DID WANT TO KNOW AT SOME POINT WILL THAT ALL BALANCE BACK OUT? YES, IT WILL. LET ME GET BACK TO THAT PAGE. I BELIEVE IT WAS, YEAH, THERE IT IS, ON THAT PAGE. SO. YES, WHAT I WAS EXPLAINING THERE IS, TRADITIONALLY WE WOULD HAVE HAD NON-DEPARTMENTAL THIS LINE ITEM HERE, AND ECONOMIC INCENTIVE IS ESSENTIALLY BELONGS IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT. OKAY. THAT'S ONE DEPARTMENT WITHIN ITSELF. IF YOU COMBINE THE 2.1 MILLION AND THE 1.6 MILLION, THAT GIVES YOU 4.3 MILLION, THE EXPENSE WOULD BE 2.1 MILLION, WHICH ONLY PUTS US AT 50. SO IT SHOWS THAT IT'S HIGHER, BASICALLY BECAUSE WE WERE ASKED TO BREAK THIS OUT. SO THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVE COULD BE TRACKED SEPARATELY. SO THAT'S WHY THIS ONE SHOWS WAY LOW, WHEREAS THIS ONE SHOWS WAY HIGH. SO WE DO EXPECT IT TO BALANCE OKAY. SO THERE SHOULD NOT BE A SITUATION WHERE NON-DEPARTMENTAL WILL ACTUALLY GO OVER. WELL ACTUALLY IT'S ALREADY OVER WHAT YOU BUDGETED FOR IT. THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. I'LL LET IT GO. COUNCILMAN BURKE, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, MISS SUTTON. THIS QUESTION IS, IS GOING BACK TO THE PUBLIC UTILITY, DEPARTMENT. I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT THE UNDER PUBLIC UTILITY FUNDS ARE UNDER THE REVENUES. I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE, REVENUE, UNIT 45 FOR 116, WHICH IS THE SEWER SERVICE 
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REVENUES. I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE THAT BEHIND BUDGET, BECAUSE NORMALLY THAT THAT TRENDS WITH THE AMOUNT OF RAIN. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. NORMALLY A LOT OF PEOPLE GET CONFUSED. LIKE WHEN THEY HAVE A LOT OF RAIN, THEIR WATER BILLS STILL GO UP AND THEY KNOW. SO. SO WHY IS THAT? WITH THE HISTORIC AMOUNT OF RAIN, WHY WOULD WE BE SIX POINTS BEHIND? IS THAT A LAGGING INDICATOR OR IS SOMETHING ELSE HAPPENING THERE? IS THAT A IS THAT A VIABLE QUESTION? YES, SIR. SO IT ACTUALLY DOES NOT TREND WITH THE RAIN. IT'S ALSO IT'S BASED ON WHAT'S CALLED YOUR WINTER SEWER AVERAGE. AND WE TAKE THE FOUR MONTHS DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH AND AVERAGE OUT THE TWO LOWEST, USAGE MONTHS BECAUSE WE DON'T OBVIOUSLY METER SEWER AND WE COME UP WITH AN AVERAGE THAT WAY TO COME UP WITH A AVERAGE THAT YOU'RE CAPPED AT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE YEAR. UNTIL WE DO THE WINTER SEWER AVERAGING AGAIN. OKAY. SO SAY THAT PART AGAIN. IT'S AN AVERAGE BETWEEN WHAT MONTHS AND WHAT MONTHS? DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH. AND WE TAKE THE WE TAKE YOUR USAGE AND WE TAKE THE LOWEST TWO MONTHS OKAY. AND WE CALCULATE YOUR AVERAGE. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE CAPPED AT REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH WATER YOU USE THE REST OF THE YEAR YOU'RE ACTUALLY CAPPED AT THAT AMOUNT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S KIND OF A SOURCE OF CONFUSION, BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A FAIR PRACTICE. HOWEVER, IT'S REALLY INDUSTRY STANDARD BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY ARE NOT BEING CHARGED DROP FOR DROP AS OPPOSED TO WHEN WE DO A I APPRECIATE THAT CLARITY BECAUSE I BELIEVE AT ONE PRESENTATION WE WERE WE WERE CITIZENS WERE ASKING THEY HADN'T BEEN WATERING. CORRECT AND THEIR WATER BILL WENT UP AND WE WERE TOLD THAT IT WAS BECAUSE OF WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT OF RAIN. THE SEWAGE USAGE. SO IT'S ACTUALLY THE AVERAGE. SO WHEN WILL WE FEEL THE EFFECTS OF ALL THE OF THE HISTORIC RAIN THAT WE HAVE HAD THIS YEAR. SO I WOULD MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT WE'RE KIND OF FEELING THE EFFECT NOW FROM A REVENUE STANDPOINT, AS FAR AS WITH THE WATER SALES, BUT ON THE ON THE SEWER SIDE, WE WOULDN'T SEE THAT, WE WOULD NOT SEE IT. CORRECT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND ONE LAST QUESTION. IS THERE A REASON THEN, WHY WE'RE 6% UNDER BUDGET? I MEAN, UNDER, YEAR TO DATE BUDGET COMPARED TO ACTUALS. 
          SO AS MISS SUTTON SAID, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE WATER CONSUMPTION GOES, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RAIN. WE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THIS TIME OF YEAR, WE'RE ALWAYS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SITTING ON A PRAYER, HOPING THAT WE MAKE OUR REVENUE NUMBERS. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE ALL IT TAKES IS A HOT MONTH, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, JULY OR AUGUST AND WE AND WE TEND TO CATCH UP WITH THAT, WITH, WITH OUR REVENUE PROJECTION IS DOES THE SEWER AND THE WATERING ARE THEY CONNECTED OR ARE THEY OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. SO THE WATER IS USED, IS CHARGED, YOU KNOW, DROP BY DROP BASED ON A TIERED STRUCTURE GOING BACK TO THE SEWER, THE SEWER IS BASED ON YOUR WINTER SEWER AVERAGE. NOW, WE JUST DID WHAT WAS CALLED A RE AVERAGING. 
          SO WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SEEING THE EFFECTS OF THIS PAST WINTER SEWER AVERAGE ON THE COMING UP BILLS. WE TYPICALLY DO THAT IN APRIL. SO YOU I BELIEVE THE FIRST MONTH THAT YOU SEE THAT REALIZED IS IN YOUR MAY WATER BILLS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS SHOOTING FOR. SO YOU'RE YOU'VE RE AVERAGED AND WE WILL PROBABLY SEE A CORRECTION IN THE COMING MONTHS. CORRECT. YES. OKAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER. RAFAEL. 
          THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD SO RELATED TO AND MINE IS SIMILAR. 
          JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHERE DOES THIS LIVE. SO LAST SUMMER, AS IT RELATES TO OUR WATER USAGE, WE WENT THROUGH HAVING WAS IT LAST SUMMER WE WENT THROUGH, HAVING TO RE-UP, YOU KNOW, THE WATER USAGE. AND. SO WHERE ARE YOU? HERE YOU OKAY? AND SO MY QUESTION IS, WHERE DOES THAT LIVE JUST IN TERMS OF WATER USAGE, AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S THE WATER WATER SALES METERED. I'M NOT CERTAIN, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN LIKE, ARE WE OKAY WHERE WE ARE TODAY VERSUS WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR IN TERMS OF CALCULATING HOW MUCH WE WOULD NEED FROM, I GUESS, DALLAS WATER . AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M REFERRING TO. SO LAST YEAR WE WERE LIKE UNDER THE AMOUNT AND THEN THERE HAD TO BE SOME TYPE OF EMERGENCY, ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENED OVER THE SUMMER WHEN WE WERE OUT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN I UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE TODAY VERSUS WHERE WE WERE LAST YEAR AT THIS TIME. OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER, BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE WE WE'RE WE'RE AWARE THAT WE DO HAVE THAT ON OUR DISCUSSION TOPIC. SO THERE MAY BE A PART OF THE PRESENTATION. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT QUESTION WOULD BE ADDRESSED IN THERE IN TERMS OF THE NEED OR THE POSSIBILITY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO IT. OKAY. YEAH, IT MAY TIE IN, BUT I CAN I THINK I CAN ANSWER THIS ONE FAIRLY QUICKLY. 
          SO OUR CONTRACT AMOUNT WITH DALLAS WATER UTILITIES IS 16 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR OR PER DAY. AND LAST YEAR, DURING THE HEAT OF THE SUMMER, I BELIEVE OUR PEAK USAGE, PEAKED AT SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN 18 AND 18.5. AND USUALLY WE SEE ABOUT THREE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF 3 TO 5 OF THOSE PEAK DAYS THAT TYPICALLY COME SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF AUGUST. SO WITH THAT 
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BEING SAID, WE'RE TYPICALLY WELL UNDER WHAT OUR CONTRACT AMOUNT IS. IF THE SITUATION DOES ARISE WHERE WE DO NEED TO PURCHASE MORE ON A GIVEN DAY, DWU HAS BEEN, AGREEABLE TO THAT. IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S USUALLY A NORMAL PRACTICE THAT WE USUALLY SEE THAT I'D SAY USUALLY I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE A YEAR, BUT LAST YEAR WE SAW THAT, PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE DAYS WHERE WE NEEDED TO PURCHASE MORE WATER. OKAY. AND WHERE DO I SEE THAT? IN THE BUDGET, OUR WATER USAGE. IS IT THE WATER SALES METERED? NO. SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE TIED INTO THE, EXPENDITURES. AND I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK THAT LINE ITEM IS BROKEN OUT INDIVIDUALLY. OKAY. IT WOULD BE IN OUR EXPENDITURES. MY APOLOGIES. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT IT WAS. CAN WE CAN WELL, I SEE EXPENDITURES UNDER PUBLIC UTILITY FUND EXPENDITURES. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THAT'S A FUNCTION OF THE UTILITY FILLED OUTS. BUT ONCE AGAIN THAT THAT LINE, THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM IS NOT BROKEN OUT INDIVIDUALLY FOR WATER PURCHASES FROM YOU SAID IT'S ON UTILITY FIELD OPS. 
          CORRECT. 665. CORRECT. BUT THAT THAT ENCAPSULATES MORE THAN JUST OUR WATER PURCHASES. YES. SURE. 
          OKAY ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE THAT UNDERSTANDING THAT. AND THEN AS IT RELATES TO INTERGOVERNMENTAL, EARLIER THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. EARLIER YOU MENTIONED, IN TERMS OF THE BREAKOUT, YOU USED THE WORD PROPRIETARY FUNDS. AND I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU COULD DEFINE PROPRIETARY FUNDS. THAT'S BASICALLY JUST OUR TWO, IT'S OUR WATER SEWER FUND AND OUR, DRAINAGE FUND. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SURE THANK YOU. I SEE NO MORE LIGHTS, SO WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. THANK YOU. MISS. AT 
          [a.  Discussion of Ad Hoc Committee recommendations for potential revisions to the City's Facility Naming Policy]
THIS TIME, WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM UNDER DISCUSSION. TOPICS DISCUSSION OF AD HOC COMMITTEE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR POTENTIAL REVISIONS TO THE CITY'S FACILITY NAMING POLICY, MAKING THE PRESENTATION AS ISOTHERM. CAMERON, INTERIM CITY MANAGER. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. SO MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WAS INITIALLY BROUGHT AS A DISCUSSION ITEM ON THE, NOVEMBER SEVENTH, 2023 MEETING, AT THE REQUEST OF, COUNCILWOMAN RAPHAEL. EXCUSE ME WITH A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN PARKER. SO JUST TO KIND OF RECAP WHAT WAS WHAT WE DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING, THE REQUEST WAS TO CLARIFY THAT THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE FACILITY NAMING REQUEST WILL BE PRESENTED, AND VOTED ON IN JANUARY AND JULY AT CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS ANNUALLY WITH THE REQUIREMENT THAT APPLICANT APPLICATIONS BE SUBMITTED AT LEAST AT LEAST 60 DAYS IN ADVANCE TO THE CITY SECRETARY AND CITY MANAGER. ADD THE REQUIREMENT THAT RENAMING APPLICATIONS BE PUBLISHED IN THE WATER BILLS, PROVIDING DIRECTIONS ON WHERE TO OBTAIN DETAILS FOR REVIEW. 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE JANUARY AND JULY MEETINGS. ADD THE REQUIREMENT THAT FACILITY NAMING APPLICATIONS BE MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBERS MUST REQUIRE AT LEAST 25 VERIFIABLE SIGNATURES AND THEN VERIFIABLE SIGNATURES. WAS, DEFINED AS THE SIGNATURES OF PROPERTY OWNERS, IN THE CITY OF DESOTO. ADD THE REQUIREMENT THAT SUPPORT MUST BE PROVIDED BY ANY COORDINATING COMMISSION, BOARD OR BOARD, SUCH AS LIBRARY BOARD, TRY CITY ANIMAL SHELTER, ETC, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THE POLICY CALLS FOR THE CORRESPONDING COMMISSION TO ONLY PROVIDE A YES OR NO RECOMMENDATION. SO THIS REQUEST WAS THAT THE BOARD OF COMMISSION, MUST MUST BE IN SUPPORT OF IT, THEN ADD THE REQUIREMENT FOR A MANDATORY WAITING PERIOD OF 12 TO 24 MONTHS BEFORE THE SAME FACILITY CAN BE CONSIDERED AGAIN FOR RENAMING. ALSO DURING THAT, DURING THAT MEETING, WE ALSO ADDED A REQUIREMENT THAT, THE PETITION SIGNATURES BE THOSE OF REGISTERED VOTERS INSTEAD OF PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THEN ADD A REQUIREMENT THAT THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE NAMING REQUEST BE BORNE BY THE REQUESTING PERSON, GROUP OR ENTITY INSTEAD OF BY THE CITY. AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO INCLUDE, COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, IF A COUNCIL MEMBER MAKES A REQUEST, COUNCIL MEMBER WILL HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE FUNDING SOURCE. SO THOSE ARE ALL JUST RECOMMENDATIONS. NONE OF THIS HAS BEEN DECIDED, BUT THAT IS WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AT THE AT THE, NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING. AND THEN AT THE MEETING, AN AD HOC COMMITTEE WAS FORMED WITH, MAYOR TIM MAYOR PRO TEM HUGHES, COUNCILWOMAN RAPHAEL, AND COUNCILWOMAN PARKER BEING THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS. AND THE INTENT WAS FOR THE GROUP TO MEET TO DISCUSS THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN COME BACK BEFORE THE, THE LARGER GROUP WITH, INPUT. AND SO THE COMMITTEE MET ON NOVEMBER, ON JANUARY 29TH, 2024, AND SO AT THAT TIME, I BELIEVE, ONLY COUNCIL WOMAN, HUGHES AND COUNCILWOMAN, PARKER WERE 
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AVAILABLE. NOW, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAD INITIALLY SCHEDULED IT PRIOR TO THAT, LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE, BUT WE HAD TO CANCEL IT. AND SO WE WERE TRYING TO IDENTIFY DATES AND THEN, COUNCILWOMAN, RAPHAEL WAS LIKE SAID, BASICALLY SAID, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD IT UP. SO IF YOU GUYS NEED TO MEET, GO AHEAD ON AND MEET. SO TO HER CREDIT, WE DID GO AHEAD ON AND MEET, SO, SO THIS THIS PAGE HERE KIND OF SUMMARIZES WHAT I JUST WENT OVER AND THEN KIND OF TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE DISCUSSION LED TO, FROM THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. SO CLARIFYING THE JANUARY AND JULY CONSIDERATION BY COUNCIL, AND THAT THE REQUIREMENT AND THAT THE APPLICATION BE SUBMITTED 60 DAYS IN ADVANCE. SO THE GROUP WAS IN FAVOR OF THAT, AND SO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, OBVIOUSLY, IF THE APPLICATION IS TO BE SUBMITTED IN JANUARY, IT'D BE REVIEWED IN JANUARY, THEN NO LATER THAN NOVEMBER, ONE, THE APPLICATION WOULD HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED. AND FOR JULY IT HAD TO BE MADE, PUBLISHED RENAMING APPLICATIONS IN WATER BILLS 30 DAYS IN ADVANCE. SO THE OUTCOME OF THAT WAS, THAT WE WOULD NOT DO THAT. WE SHOULD NOT DO THAT, THAT THAT WAS THE RECOMMENDATION , BASICALLY BECAUSE WE RIGHT NOW WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, FOR THOSE RENAMINGS AND, AND PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER, AT LEAST 15 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND SO THE THOUGHT WAS THAT WE REMAIN CONSISTENT WITH THAT EXISTING POLICY, REQUIRE AT LEAST 25 VERIFIABLE SIGNATURES FROM PROPERTY OWNERS, WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS TO VERIFY AFFIDAVIT, THAT WAS A YES, BUT THEY WANTED CLARIFICATION ON REGISTERED VOTERS VERSUS PROPERTY OWNERS, AND THEN MAKING THE AFFIRMATIVE SUPPORT BY CORRESPONDING BOARD OF COMMISSIONER PREREQUISITE FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, THE FINAL RECOMMENDATION ON THAT ONE WAS NO, AND THAT WE SHOULD KEEP THE EXISTING POLICY LANGUAGE WITH THE CORRESPONDING BOARD TO PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION RATHER THAN HAVING TO, AND THE RECOMMENDATION COULD BE YES, OR NO, AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO, APPROVE OF IT. AND THEN, MANDATORY 12 TO 24 MONTH WAITING PERIOD BEFORE A FACILITY CAN BE CONSIDERED FOR RENAMING, THAT WAS THAT WAS A YES WITH THE 24 MONTH MINIMUM. AND THEN, IN TERMS OF PETITION SIGNATURES, BEING FROM REGISTERED VOTERS INSTEAD OF PROPERTY OWNERS, THE, THE INPUT WAS. YES, ON THAT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE COST BEING BORNE BY THE REQUESTING GROUP OF PERSON, THE INPUT WAS TO KEEP THE COST, AS THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. AND THEN THERE WAS ALSO SOME REQUEST TO JUST TO GET SOME BEST PRACTICE INFORMATION ON FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY AND SIGNATURES. AND SO YOU CAN SEE, I TOOK A LOOK AT CEDAR HILL, LANCASTER, DUNCANVILLE, DALLAS, FORT WORTH AND, LAGO, LAGO VISTA, CEDAR HILL. SO I HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH CEDAR HILL, CITY MANAGERS, CEDAR HILL, THE CITY MANAGER OF CEDAR HILL, DUNCANVILLE AND LANCASTER WEEKLY. AND SO I POSED THIS QUESTION TO THEM, CEDAR HILL DOES NOT HAVE A POLICY ON FACILITY RENAMING. ONLY COUNCIL RENAMES FACILITIES. THEY DON'T ALLOW PUBLIC THE PUBLIC. THEY FEEL LIKE IT JUST KEEPS DOWN CONFUSION. IT JUST MAKES IT, LANCASTER ALLOWS, BUILDINGS, THE BUILDING ONLY ONLY THE ONLY THE CITY COUNCIL CAN RENAME BUILDINGS. HOWEVER, STREETS CAN BE, INITIATED BY THE PUBLIC OR COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR BUILDINGS FOR LANCASTER WOULD BE ADDRESSED WITH THE CITY. HOWEVER, FOR STREETS, IT IS THE PERSONAL GROUP MAKING THE REQUEST. AND ALSO FOR STREETS, IT'S, THE SIGNATURE REQUIREMENT IS 51% OF THE RESIDENTS ON THAT PARTICULAR STREET, NO, NO SIGNATURE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE BUILDINGS. DUNCANVILLE IS THE, SAME AS CEDAR HILL, AND THEN IN TERMS OF DALLAS, DALLAS ALLOWS PARK FACILITIES AND STREETS TO BE RENAMED, AND THAT CAN BE BY THE, BY THE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC CAN INITIATE THOSE REQUESTS AND THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY IS THE PERSON OR GROUP MAKING THE REQUEST, FOR PARK FACILITIES? NO SIGNATURE IS REQUIRED. HOWEVER, FOR STREETS, 51% OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS ABUTTING THE STREET AND THEN, FORT WORTH, KIND OF SIMILAR FACILITIES. CITY COUNCIL STREETS. THE PUBLIC CAN MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN, IF IT'S A, IF THE PUBLIC MAKES A RECOMMENDATION, THEN THE PERSON OR GROUP MAKING A REQUEST IS RESPONSIBLE. AND THEN, AGAIN, THE SIGNATURE SHOULD BE FROM THE ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS. SO YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE RESIDENTS ON THE STREET OR FOR OR AND OR ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS AND THEN FOR 
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LAGO VISTA, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC OR COUNCIL OR STAFF CAN MAKE THAT INITIATE THAT REQUEST. AND THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY RESTS WITH THE SIGNATURES, I MEAN, WITH THE CITY. AND THOSE SIGNATURES SHOULD BE JUST VERIFIABLE SIGNATURES, NO MENTION OF WHETHER IT'S PROPERTY OWNERS OR RESIDENTS ON THE STREET OR WHATEVER. AND THEN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH RENAMING. SO, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING SIGNAGE, WHICH IS SIGNAGE ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY $1,200 PER SIGN. SO A $1,200 PER BUILDING MONUMENT SIGNING SIGNAGE. AND THIS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MONUMENT SIGNAGE. IF YOU IF YOU WERE TO DRIVE BY, SAY, BRIGHTWOOD PARK, THE SIGNAGE THAT THE STAFF HAD, INSTALLED THERE, THAT'S ABOUT $25,000, PROPOSITION. AND SO OBVIOUSLY, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST INSTALLING A COMPLETELY NEW SIGN, WE'D BE LOOKING AT ABOUT 25,000. BUT IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXISTING, MONUMENT SIGN AND CHANGING THE SIGN ITSELF, BUT NOT THE BASE, IT WOULD BE A SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN THAT, STREET SIGNAGE, $300 PER SIGN. THAT'S LABOR AND MATERIAL AND EQUIPMENT AND THEN PLAQUES. ABOUT 200 PER PLAQUE, SO BASICALLY, THE PURPOSE HERE, RIGHT NOW IS JUST TO, OBTAIN COUNCIL FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT, MAKING ANY NECESSARY, NECESSARY REVISIONS BASED ON COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK AND BRING BACK A REVISED POLICY FOR, FUTURE COUNCIL CONSIDERATION, AND THEN ONCE APPROVED, WE WILL PUBLISH THAT REVISED POLICY. 
          THANK YOU, MR. CAMERON, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, I WANT TO FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE THOSE THAT SERVED ON THE AD HOC COMMITTEE. I BELIEVE THAT WAS COUNCIL MEMBER. PARKER. COUNCIL MEMBER. RAPHAEL. MAYOR PRO TEM HUGHES AND MICHAEL. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL FOR , FOR SERVING ON THAT AND BRINGING FORTH THESE RECOMMENDATIONS, FOR DISCUSSION. COUNCIL, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK AT THIS TIME? DOCTOR MARKS? YES. THANK YOU. MADAM MAYOR, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR THOSE CITIES THAT DID NOT REQUIRE A SIGNATURE FROM RESIDENTS, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AS TO THE TIMELINE? DID IT PUSH IT THROUGH THE TIMELINE FASTER OR WHAT? WAS THERE NO, NO, NO, NO REAL DISCUSSION ON THAT ONE. I DON'T HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP ON THAT ONE, BUT WHAT I CAN WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT, DALLAS FORT STREET'S, SO THEY'RE THEY DID CREATE A, MORE OF A STREAMLINED PROCESS FOR CEREMONIAL STREETS, RIGHT? BECAUSE CERENIAL STREETS DON'T DON'T DON'T CHANGE. THE STREET ADDRESSES DON'T IMPACT FROM A POSTAL STANDPOINT, BUT THEY ALLOW YOU TO RECOGNIZE THE PERSON WHO YOU'RE TRYING TO RECOGNIZE. SO. AND THOSE ARE JUST TOPPERS ON TOP OF THE NORMAL STREET SIGN. SO, OKAY. I WOULD THINK I WOULD THINK THEY COULD IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. YES. OR THE TIMELINE A LOT FASTER JUST TO HAVE THE LITTLE TOP SIGN UP THERE RATHER THAN RENAMING THE ENTIRE STREET. OKAY. THAT WAS THAT WAS THAT WAS THE POINT OF IT. OKAY, OKAY. I KIND OF LIKE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY COUNCILMEMBER CHISHOLM, THANK YOU, MR. CAMERON, I DIDN'T SEE THE STREET REQUIREMENT FOR DESOTO. 
          CURRENTLY. I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A PART OF OUR POLICY, TOO. COULD YOU CONFIRM, LIKE, WHAT THE POLICY IS TO RENAME A STREET SO. SO WE, YOU KNOW, OUR FACILITY NAMING POLICY INCORPORATES STREETS, SO IT'S NOT BROKEN OUT LIKE THE OTHER CITIES. NO. IT IS A IT IS IT INCORPORATES STREETS, BUILDINGS, PARKS, THINGS THAT THEY ALL CONSIDERED FACILITIES. NOW THERE ARE MAJOR FACILITIES, MINOR FACILITIES WITHIN THAT POLICY. BUT JUST FOR THIS FACILITY NAMING POLICY KIND OF COVERS WE CONSIDER THE STREETS FACILITY. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION PERTAINS TO AND AS, AS AS I SEE HERE IN THE, THE RESEARCH THAT YOU ALL DID THAT GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CITY OF DALLAS, WHICH I KNOW TO BE TRUE, THE COST IS BORNE BY THE CITY. 
          HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION ON HOW WE BUDGET FOR THIS, AND THEN ALSO WITH THAT SAID, IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BEAR THE COST OF THIS, IF WE COULD LIMIT THE NUMBER OF THESE, THESE COSTS THAT WE ASSUME EACH YEAR, BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A YEAR OR TWO, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD WE HAD MULTIPLE COMING AT US AT ONE TIME, FOR US TO AGAIN BEAR THE COST OF MAKING SURE THE SIGNAGE GETS DONE, REALLY, WITH NO UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THAT ACTUALLY COST. SO I GUESS I WOULD, I WOULD, I WOULD ASK, WHERE WOULD THIS LINE ITEM LIVE? RIGHT. AND AGAIN, HOW DO WE BUDGET FOR IT TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT NUMBER NEEDS TO BE FROM, YOU KNOW, REASONABLY AND THEN LOOKING AT ONCE THAT NUMBER IS DETERMINED, LOOKING AT, LIMITING THE ONES SO 
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THAT WE DON'T EXCEED OUR BUDGET, WITH THESE TYPES OF REQUESTS EACH YEAR, ONCE WE REACH OUR MAX, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT THAT'S IT. THAT WOULD BE MY FEEDBACK. I GUESS, FROM THIS, FROM THIS, WAS THERE ANY DISCUSSION AMONGST THE COMMITTEE IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE HOW WE BUDGET FOR IT? MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE WE ACTUALLY GOT THAT DEEP INTO THAT PART OF IT, BUT I DO I DO DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, SHOULD WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING, TO DO A FOLLOW UP? MAYBE TO HAVE SOMEONE? BECAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION I HAD AS WELL. WHEN WE'RE TALKING IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TIMES WE DO THIS A YEAR, AND HOW MANY CAN COME AT THAT TIME. SO MAYBE THAT WILL LEAD INTO WHAT YOU JUST. 
          EXACTLY. AND WE'RE ON THE BUDGET . IS THIS RIGHT? WHERE DOES IT LIVE? WHAT DEPARTMENT YOU KNOW WHAT? I DON'T THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ANY OF THAT. I'M SORRY. SO I THINK WE PROBABLY DO NEED MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND THAT'S AND THAT'S QUITE ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE THIS I MEAN, THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING IS TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU ALL WOULD GO BACK AND READ, YOU KNOW, KIND OF REWORK SOME OF THOSE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT THE ONES THAT WE HAVE HAD SO FAR, THE, THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE PAID FOR THE, THE DEPARTMENT. RIGHT. SO, SO THE JOE BROWN TRAINING CENTER, THE FIRE FIRE DEPARTMENT PAY FOR THAT SIGNAGE. WAS IT IN THEIR BUDGET? NO, NO, THEY DIDN'T BUDGET FOR IT. BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY THEY USE FUNDS THAT THEY HAD AVAILABLE. YOU KNOW OKAY. SO BECAUSE IF THEY IF THINGS COME UP LIKE THIS MID BUDGET YEAR THEY WEREN'T BUDGETED FOR. SO YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE IS JUST KIND OF NOT SHOOTING FROM THE HIP WITH COSTS LIKE THIS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT THAT THESE COULD POSSIBLY COST DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU KNOW. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE COST AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SO LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE BE MORE PRUDENT WITH MAKING SURE, YOU KNOW, WE STAY WITHIN REASON WITH , WITH THESE SINCE WE ARE BEARING THE COST OF IT, COUNCILMAN BURKE, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, IN THE SAME VEIN, TO THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE REASONING. WHY? I UNDERSTAND WHY CEDAR HILL WOULD BEAR THE FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY, SINCE THEY ARE NOT REALLY ENGAGING THE PUBLIC. YOU KNOW, IT IS A COUNCIL DIRECTIVE. WHY DID WE NOT. WHY DID WE CHOOSE, WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION AROUND? NOT ENGAGING THE PUBLIC AS FAR AS, INCURRING SOME OF THE COST OF IT? WHY DID WE CHOOSE NOT TO FOR, SINCE SINCE OUR POLICY IS MORE INCLUSIVE OF THE PUBLIC, IN ENGAGING THEM AND TO A POINT WHERE THERE IS A, SOME TYPE OF COMMITTEE TO WHERE THEY WOULD RAISE SPONSORSHIP OR PHILANTHROPY OR SOMETHING WAS A WAY TO ALSO KIND OF, DEFER THE COST. SO WHAT WAS THE CONVERSATION BEHIND NOT GETTING THEIR INVOLVEMENT FINANCIALLY? WELL ACTUALLY, AND I DO AGAIN, I HEAR YOU ON THAT PIECE, AND I'M GLAD THAT YOU ASKED THAT BECAUSE INITIALLY WHEN WE WENT BACK INTO OUR MEETINGS, MY WHOLE DISCUSSION WAS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE, THE, THE PERSON WHO INITIATES IT BE PART OF THE COST. SO I'M NOT CERTAIN THAT I THINK WE NEED LIKE I SAID, I THINK WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK TO GO BACK AND TALK THROUGH THINGS, BECAUSE THAT PART, I BELIEVE I WAS REALLY THE OPPOSITE WAY. I'D RATHER HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, THE COST NOT BE JUST THE CITY'S COST, SO I THINK THERE MAY NEED TO BE SOME MORE WORK THERE IN LINE WITH, OH, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. IN LINE WITH, WITH THAT BECAUSE THE OTHER CITIES THAT, THAT THE COUNCIL, HAD THE RIGHT TO NAME IT, YOU KNOW, THEN IT WOULD BE A COUNCIL DECISION. COUNCILS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF, OF THE CITIZENS. BUT SINCE WE ARE GOING TO A POLICY THAT IS SO THAT INCLUSIVE, SO INCLUSIVE OF THE CITIZENS, WHICH IS PROBABLY A GOOD THING, THEN SINCE THEY'RE GOING TO BE SUCH INTRICATE PART OF THE NAMING POLICY AND WITH THE APPROVAL EVEN FROM THOSE, FROM THOSE POINTS OF HAVING TO HAVE A CEREMONIAL APPROVAL OR DENIAL, THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD ALSO GET THEM INVOLVED BECAUSE THEY'RE INVOLVED IN FINANCIALLY SHOWS THEIR REAL INTEREST, WOULD BE MY, MY POINT ON THAT ISSUE. THE OTHER ONE IS THAT THE WAITING 60 DAYS I LIKE I LIKE THAT PART. HOWEVER, I WOULD I WOULD ASK THAT WE WOULD GO BACK AND BE SPECIFIC, BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT IT, 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE THAT IT'S GOING TO GO BEFORE COUNCIL INSTEAD OF 60 DAYS, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE VERY THAT'S VERY LOOSE MEANING, WE'RE ALREADY SAYING THAT WE CAN HANDLE IT IN JANUARY AND IN JULY. SO SAYING THAT IT HAD TO BE IN BY NOVEMBER. BUT WHAT IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THE END OF JANUARY, YOU KNOW, SO, SO JUST KIND OF BEING JUST KIND OF 
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TIGHTENING THAT UP A LITTLE BIT, BEING MORE, MORE SPECIFIC SO THAT THERE CAN'T BE ANY MISUNDERSTANDING WHETHER OR NOT SOMETHING IS BEING MISCONSTRUED OR NOT ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. CAN I ASK, SIR, I JUST WANTED TO ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO LIKE FOR THE WHEN THE WHEN THE APPLICATIONS COME IN RIGHT NOW THEY OBVIOUSLY COME IN TO, THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. SO I'LL BE PROBABLY I'VE BEEN THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN GETTING THEM. SO MY QUESTION IS SO THERE'S A THERE IS A, THERE'S SOME WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE WHEN I GET THE APPLICATION. A LOT OF TIMES IT MAY NOT BE COMPLETE, IT MAY NOT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT I NEED. SO SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME BACK AND FORTH WITH THE REQUESTER SO THAT THAT SOMETIMES THAT'S 60 DAY. AND THEN AND THEN IF IT REQUIRES TO GO THROUGH A BOARD OR COMMISSION OR A DEPARTMENT, THE 60 DAY TIME FRAME MAY BE NECESSARY BECAUSE I MIGHT NEED THE FIRST 30 DAYS TO GET ALL THAT DONE TO JUST TO GET IT TO COUNCIL. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE JUST PUTTING STUFF OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION. RIGHT. BUT IF THE APPLICANT NOW IS GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO GET SIGNATURES, EVEN IF IT'S IN MY UNDERSTANDING, EVEN IF THE APPLICANT IS A COUNCIL PERSON, WE WILL BE REQUIRED TO GET 25 SUPPORTING SIGNATURES, WHICH I THINK MIGHT BE A GREAT DEAL, IT KIND OF PUSH IT. IT IT, IT MAKES IT MORE THAN 60 DAYS. SO IF IT HAD TO BE TURNED IN TO YOU FOR 60 DAYS, IT DOES NOT NECESSARILY GIVE THAT PERSON WHO IS WHO IS PETITIONING THE COUNCIL FOR THIS NAME CHANGE. A LOT OF TIME. SO I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU GO BACK AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT AND I AGREE WITH IT, BUT GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PROCESS AND ITS TOTALITY AND BE MORE CONCRETE WITH THE DAYS. SO 30 DAYS OR 60 DAYS FROM THIS DATE. SO THAT SO THAT THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDING. SO YOU MEAN LIKE A TIMELINE? YES, ABSOLUTELY . THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO ANSWER, COUNCILMAN BYRD'S QUESTION, I WASN'T IN AGREEMENT WITH THE 25 SIGNATURES, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE POLICY, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE IT SO THAT, WHOEVER TURNS IN AN APPLICATION TAKES THAT INTO CONSIDERATION SO THAT WHEN THEY TURN IT IN, THEY'VE ALREADY COLLECTED IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO IT DOESN'T PLAY IN ON THAT TIME. THE OTHER QUESTION YOU ASKED WAS ABOUT THE CITY RESPONSIBILITIES AS FAR AS PAYING. I FELT PERSONALLY FELT LIKE IT WAS A CITY FACILITY. SO THE CITY SHOULD PAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS YOU HAD THAT QUESTION,  I WANTED TO ANSWER IT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RAFAEL. SURE THING. LET ME MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTIONS AND SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT. SO IS IT THAT THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN, IS IT THAT OKAY, BASED UPON WHAT YOU SAID, COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD, SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF IT'S UPON UPON DELIVERY. SO DELIVERY STARTS THE CLOCK OR OR NOT DELIVERY BUT APPROVAL ONCE APPROVAL. SO FOR INSTANCE, CITY STAFF RECEIVES THE INFORMATION AND THEN VERIFIES THAT THE INFORMATION IS CORRECT OR NOT. AND THEN THAT STARTS THE CLOCK FOR THE 60 DAYS BEFORE IT'S SEEN BY COUNCIL. 
          BECAUSE UP TO THEN BECAUSE THEY MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN INFORMATION OR OR YOU KNOW, THE NUMBERS, THE IF IT IS THE REGISTERED VOTERS OR IF IT IS, RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE A RESIDENT, MAY NOT ACTUALLY BE A REGISTERED VOTER. AND SO ARE YOU ARE YOU. YEAH. WOULD THAT WOULD THAT SATISFY IF THAT WAS NOT A PART OF THE CLOCK IN THE TIMELINE? THAT'S MY QUESTION. I, I'M NOT SURE. AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT I, I THINK THAT IF, IF THERE IS A REQUIREMENT THAT A COUNCIL HAS TO GET 25, REGISTERED VOTERS OF 25 PROPERTY OWNERS OR WHATEVER, IT REALLY BACKS THAT THING UP TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START LOOKING AT THIS NAMING DEAL MAYBE SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE, YOU KNOW, AND SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A TIMELINE MORE AND JUST WANT SOME CLARITY ON THE TIMELINE. SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE A PREFERENCE. I'M JUST SAYING WHEN WE WHEN WE LOOK AT IT, WE NEED TO THINK THROUGH THAT. BECAUSE IF I HAVE A 20, IF WHAT IF I TURN IN A 25 PETITION AND THREE OF MY PETITIONS ARE NOT, ARE NOT REGISTERED VOTERS, DOES THAT DOES THAT KICK IT OUT? AND DOES IT GIVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK, SO REALLY WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS IS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO RIGHT NOW, FOR ME TO HAVE TO HAVE 25 NAMES AND THEY HAVE TO BE PERFECT ONLY TO GIVE IT TO YOU 60 DAYS BEFORE, I DON'T SEE THE LOGIC BEHIND THAT. I CAN, I CAN I CAN I INTERJECT BECAUSE I HEAR, I HEAR WHAT BOTH OF YOU ARE SAYING AND I HEAR YOU SAYING SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I HEAR COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL SUGGESTING POSSIBLY ONCE THE COMPLETE PACKET IS RECEIVED AND IT HAS BEEN VERIFIED THAT THE INFORMATION IS RECEIVED AND ELIGIBLE TO BE CONSIDERED, THEN THE CLOCK STARTS 60 DAYS FROM 
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THAT DATE VERSUS 60 DAYS FROM SOME STANDARD DATE. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I HEAR YOU SAYING MORE, BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE MORE CONCRETE IN TERMS OF THE DATE THAT THE 60 DAYS DOESN'T MOVE. I HEAR HER SAYING THE 60 DAYS IT STARTS THE CLOCK. ONCE THE PACKET IS RECEIVED AND IT'S CORRECT. SO IT COULD BE IN A RANGE. AM I HEARING YOU CORRECT? COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL I WOULDN'T, I'M SORRY. I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY IN A RANGE, BUT IT. SO FOR INSTANCE, WHEN SOMEONE, SUBMITS THEIR PACKET FOR. WELL, NO, THAT'S NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE, I THINK, I THINK I'M, I THINK I'M WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO IS BIFURCATE THE ADMINISTRATION PIECE IN THE 60 DAYS. AND SO, JUST THINKING ABOUT LIKE, IF IT WAS A P AND Z, YOU KNOW, ONCE THAT THING IS APPROVED 30 DAYS LATER, IT'S SEEN ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA. ONCE IT'S APPROVED. BUT BUT ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE THINGS HAPPEN PRIOR TO APPROVAL. AND I GUESS MY AND I AND I GET THAT. BUT OUR POLICY CLEARLY STATES THAT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO LOOK AT THIS TWICE A YEAR IN JANUARY. AND IN JULY. 
          SO IF WE'RE GOING TO LET'S TAKE THE JANUARY DATE. IF IF IT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL IN JANUARY, THAT AND THE POLICY STATES THEN THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IT TO AT MEN 60 DAYS BEFORE THEN. THAT MEANS THAT IT HAS TO BE COMPLETE, WHAT I, WHAT I READ , IT HAS TO BE COMPLETE AND IN THEIR HANDS BY NOVEMBER 1ST. AND SO NOVEMBER 1ST. THAT MEANS THAT I'VE GOT TO START OR WHOEVER IS DOING, YOU KNOW, SO YOU BACK INTO THESE HARD DATES AND WHAT I, MY TWO SUGGESTIONS WERE 60 DAYS. THAT'S WHY I ASKED ORIGINALLY 60 DAYS FROM THE DATE THAT IS GOING TO SHOW UP ON COUNCIL. SO THAT MIGHT BUY US A LITTLE MORE TIME IN THERE. BUT IF IT'S 60 DAYS FROM THIS, ARBITRARY JANUARY DATE OR JULY DATE, THEN I THINK IT WOULD BE A HARD POLICY TO ENFORCE. I THINK IT WOULD BE A HARD POLICY TO POLICE BECAUSE IT'S AN ARBITRARY DATE. 60 DAYS FROM JANUARY. IS NOVEMBER FIRST. BUT THEN WE HAVE THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS. SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW, TO CLARIFY THE TIMELINE. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH THAT'S WHAT YEAH. CLARIFY THE TIMELINE AND THEN BRING IT BACK. 
          BUT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION I WOULD ASK THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, WHO PAYS FOR IT. 
          AND MAYOR PRO TEM I DO I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THERE. BUT IF AGAIN, I THINK I SUGGESTED THE, THE, THE NAMING PARTIES BE PART OF PARTICIPATE IN THE, IN THE IN THE, IN THE COST OF IT SIMPLY BECAUSE THAT RIGHT THAT RIGHT THERE WILL LEND ITSELF TO PUBLIC SUPPORT AS WELL. SO THAT WAS. YEAH. I MEAN WE CAN JUST WE'RE FRIENDS ENOUGH TO DISAGREE. BUT THAT WAS WHERE MY THOUGHT WAS, IS THAT THE NAMING POLICY WOULD WOULD HELP, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO NAME A PARK, ANDRE BYRD AND THE CITIZENS DON'T WANT IT, THEN IF THEY GOT TO PAY FOR IT, THEN YOU KNOW IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU, I GUESS I AND I'M TRYING I'M TRYING NOT TO GO DOWN A RABBIT HOLE, BUT THIS, YOU KNOW, JUST AS WE GET INTO THIS, JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE LOGISTICS OF IT. RIGHT. AND NOT NOT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO TALKING ABOUT, THE CITIZENS OR ORGANIZATIONS OR WHOEVER, JUST AN OUTSIDE PARTY OTHER THAN THE CITY HAVING TO PAY FOR IT, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US GET GET SOME MORE RESEARCH AND SOME MORE, I GUESS SOME MORE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY OF DALLAS, SINCE IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE PROBABLY CLOSEST TO US, THAT DO HAVE THE IF THEY'RE GOING TO RENAME IT. I DO KNOW A FEW THAT ARE IN THE WORKS NOW WHERE THE INDIVIDUALS ARE PAYING FOR THOSE. HOWEVER, YOU KNOW THAT EVEN COMES WITH I GUESS FOR ME, I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY WITH THAT IS I WOULD I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY TO PAY FOR IT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO SHOW SOME, SOME EVIDENCE OF BEING FINANCIALLY SOLVENT TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR IT. BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS APPROVE SOMETHING, THINKING THAT AN INDIVIDUAL OR GROUP WILL PAY FOR SOMETHING, AND THEN THEY DON'T COME UP WITH THE MONEY OR THE FUNDS DON'T COME THROUGH. 
          AND THEN WE, YOU KNOW, AND I JUST, I'M JUST WANTING TO UNDERSTAND BETTER HOW HOW DALLAS OR ANY OTHER CITY THAT'S, THAT HAS THE GROUP TO PAY FOR IT, ACTUALLY VERIFIES THAT THE GROUP IS FINANCIAL, HAS THE FINANCIAL ABILITY TO ACTUALLY PAY FOR A PROJECT AS SUCH. AND HOW DO THEY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IS IT AN INDIVIDUAL? DOES IT HAVE TO BE A NONPROFIT? LIKE HOW DO HOW DO THEY HOW DO THEY REALLY DO THAT IN TERMS OF THAT? AND THEN IF WE TALK ABOUT A 60 DAY DEADLINE, WHEN DOES, YOU KNOW, SHOWING THAT THEY'RE FINANCIALLY VIABLE COME INTO PLAY WITH THE 60 DAYS? SO I THINK IT'S JUST A LOT MORE THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER. AND AGAIN, THAT'S THE 
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PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S DISCUSSION IS TO REALLY GET THE FEEDBACK IN THAT WAY. BUT I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW CITIES ARE DOING THAT, BECAUSE IF WE GIVE THEM A 60 DAY DEADLINE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE CONCERNED IF THEY CAN EVEN GET 25 VIABLE SIGNATURES. I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, FROM COLLECTING MONEY OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAGNITUDE THAT WOULD ALSO BE, SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER AND COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO BECAUSE OF THE, OUR WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, TO DISCUSS. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET TO THAT IN A TIMELY FASHION. WE'LL MAKE THIS OUR LAST COMMENT. AND THEN I BELIEVE, MR. CAMERON, YOU'VE BEEN KIND OF TAKING NOTES OF, OF OUR, FEEDBACK IN THE COMMITTEE AS WELL. AND SO WE WOULD LOOK FORWARD TO, JUST KIND OF HEARING THE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION YOU ALL HAVE ABOUT IT. AND ONE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING, AND I'M GLAD THAT, COUNCILMAN BYRD IS SAYING THIS BECAUSE CONCRETE IS MY IS MY MIDDLE NAME, I LOVE PROCESSES, AND I LIKE WHEN THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE STREAMLINED. MAYBE LOOKING ALSO AT A WAY FROM THESE OTHER CITIES. HOW ARE THEY DOING THAT? IS IT ONLINE? IS IT A IS IT AN ONLINE FORM, YOU KNOW, DOES IT HAVE A TICKER ON IT TO LET THEM KNOW HOW SOON OR, I MEAN, JUST SOME OF THOSE THINGS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE STREAM LINED AS OPPOSED TO JUST A PAPER FLOATING ABOUT. THANK YOU. I YIELD BACK. AGREED. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE COMMITTEE FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING THE DISCUSSION. AT 
          [b.  Discussion of proposed updates to the City of DeSoto's Drought Contingency and Water Conservation Plans ]
THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE THE FINAL ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE CITY OF DESOTO'S, DROUGHT CONTINGEY AND WATER CONSERVATION PLANS, MAKING THE PRESENTATION IS BRANDON LACY, PUBLIC UTILITIES DIRECTOR. THANK YOU, DOCTOR WILLIAMS, AND GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS TO DISCUSS THE PROPOSED UPDATES TO THE CITY OF DESOTO'S DROUGHT CONTINGENCY AND WATER CONSERVATION PLAN. BOTH OF THESE PLANS ARE REQUIRED TO BE ADOPTED AND SUBMITTED TO OUR REGULATORY AUTHORITY, THE TEXAS COMMISSION ON ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, AS WELL AS THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, RESPECTIVELY, LAST YEAR, THE PUBLIC UTILITIES DEPARTMENT ASKED THE GARVER TO ASSIST THE DEPARTMENT WITH UPDATING BOTH PLANS. SO I HAVE A FAMILIAR FACE WITH YOU, THAT YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE. THANK YOU. TOM A FAMILIAR FACE. MR. JUSTIN RACKLEY WITH GARVER TO GO OVER SOME OF THE STRATEGIES, AS WELL AS THE METHODOLOGIES, BASED ON SOME, SOME THINGS WE SURVEYED FROM OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE SIMILAR SIZE, AS WELL AS, MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES. HE WILL GO OVER, JUST SORT OF THE METHODOLOGY BEHIND THE PROPOSED CHANGES, AND WE WILL TAG TEAM ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE FOR US. GOOD EVENING. MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCIL, AS BRANDON MENTIONED, MY NAME IS JUSTIN RATCLIFF WITH GARVER, LAST WE MET, WE WERE AT THE VERY SUCCESSFUL RIBBON CUTTING CUT RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY FOR THE HAMPTON ROAD PUMP STATION. AND I'M STANDING HERE TODAY, STILL IN ENJOYMENT WITH THE PERFORMANCE OF THAT SYSTEM. IT'S EXCEEDING ALL EXPECTATIONS, AND IT'S GOING TO HELP WITH OUR CONTINUED WATER SUPPLY FOR THE CITIES, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF DESOTO. SO, AS BRANDON MENTIONED, I'M HERE TODAY, TODAY TO TALK ABOUT UPDATES FROM A REGULATORY FRONT, FROM YOUR EXISTING DROUGHT CONTINGENCY AND WATER CONSERVATION PLAN UPDATE. SO WE'LL START WITH THE WHO, WHY, WHEN AND WHERE, WE'LL START WITH THE POLICY. SO ALL MUNICIPAL WATER SUPPLIERS GREATER THAN 3300 SERVICE CONNECTIONS AND IRRIGATION DISTRICTS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN AND A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN AND UPDATE AT THE FIVE YEAR INTERVALS. THIS IS SPECIFIC TO TEXAS WATER CODE CHAPTER 11.12 72, AND THEN TITLE 30 OF THE TEXAS ADMINISTRATION CODE, CHAPTER 288, RULES TWO 88.20 AND TWO 88.22. SO WE HEARD FROM THE EARLIER PROCLAMATION ON THE BEAT THE HEAT PROGRAM, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY AN OPPORTUNITY ON THE PUBLIC UTILITY SIDE TO BEAT THE HEAT WITH WATER SUPPLY AND TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A RELIABLE SOURCE OF POTABLE DRINKING WATER TO PROTECT THE SAFETY AND HEALTH OF YOUR CITY'S CITIZENS. SO WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN AND THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN? WELL, THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS A STRATEGY OR A COMBINATION OF STRATEGIES THAT A WATER SUPPLIER DEVELOPS AND IMPLEMENTS TO MONITOR AND RESPOND TO DROUGHT AND OTHER TEMPORARY WATER SHORTAGE EVENTS THAT CAN SEVERELY DISRUPT THE WATER SUPPLY TO YOUR CUSTOMERS, ON THE CONVERSE, THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN IS A STRATEGY OR A COMBINATION OF STRATEGIES TO REDUCE THE CONSUMPTION OF WATER, IMPROVE AND MAINTAIN THE EFFICIENCY OF WATER. WATER CONSERVATION, IN MY MIND, HAS A NEGATIVE CONNOTATION BECAUSE, AS WE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY WITH YOUR WITH YOUR BUDGET, THERE'S REVENUES TIED TO WATER USAGE AND SO IT DOESN'T ROLL OFF THE TONGUE AS EASY AS WATER CONSERVATION PLAN. BUT I LIKE TO THINK OF IT MORE AS A WISE USE 
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OF WATER. WATER IS A FINITE RESOURCE. WE CANNOT CREATE IN ORDER TO STORE WATER. SO WE HAVE TO USE THAT WATER WISELY. AND THAT'S WHAT THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN FOCUSES ON. SO WHY DO WE NEED A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN? WELL, ULTIMATELY, AND I WISH I WOULD HAVE BOLD AND UNDERLINE THIS PART, BUT IT'S TO CONSERVE THE AVAILABLE WATER SUPPLY TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES. WITH PARTICULAR REGARD TO THE DOMESTIC WATER USE, SANITATION AND FIRE PROTECTION, ULTIMATELY PRESERVING THE RESOURCE THAT WE HAVE IS TO PROTECT THE SAFETY AND HEALTH OF YOUR PUBLIC, BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE FOR FIREFIGHTING ABILITIES. SO THIS IS A SNIP OF WHAT WE SHOW FOR THE COVER OF OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. 
          AND AGAIN, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED IN 1995 WITH THE CODE OF CODE OF ORDINANCES. CHAPTER 11, ARTICLE 11.1 AND 11.1005. SO WHAT DOES A DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN INCLUDE? THESE AREN'T THINGS THAT JUSTIN RACKLEY DICTATED. THESE ARE WHAT IS REQUIRED BY THE TEXAS COMMISSION OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY. THERE ARE A SERIES OF 11 DIFFERENT SECTIONS, AND FOR THE SAKE OF TIME TONIGHT TO RESPECT YOUR TIME, WE'LL GO THROUGH JUST A FEW OF THESE. AND THOSE WILL BE WHAT ARE THE TRIGGERING CRITERIA? WHAT ARE THE DROUGHT RESPONSE STAGES? HOW ARE WE ENFORCING IT, AND WHAT ARE THE PROVISIONS FOR VARIANCE FROM THOSE REQUESTS. SO WE'LL START WITH THE GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE THREE STAGES OF OUR WATER CONSERVATION PLAN, WE'RE PROPOSING THREE STAGES, STARTING WITH A PUBLIC AWARENESS OR MONITORING USAGE. THIS IS A NON MANDATORY OR NON REQUIRED COMPLIANCE. THIS IS JUST TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC. THIS IS TRIGGERED AT A 80% WATER DEMAND AS BRANDON MENTIONED EARLIER, YOU HAVE A CONTRACTED WATER RIGHT FROM DALLAS WATER UTILITIES AT 16 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. SO THIS TRIGGERED, COMPLIANCE WOULD BE WHENEVER THE DEMANDS EXCEED 12.8 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, WE HAVE GONE FROM FIVE STAGES TO THREE STAGES. IT'S MORE OF A PROACTIVE APPROACH AND LESS OF A REACTIVE APPROACH. SO THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THIS PLANNING OR PREVIOUS PLAN IS THAT WE HAVE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF STAGES FROM 5 TO 3, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THESE IN A LITTLE BIT OF DETAIL. BUT IN YOUR YOUR AGENDA PACKET THERE IS THE ACTUAL. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SLIDES ON THAT NOW, BUT ESSENTIALLY I DON'T INTEND TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THE DIFFERENT EVENTS WE CAN IN THE QUESTION PERIOD. BUT AGAIN, TO RESPECT YOUR TIME, WE'LL TRY TO KEEP IT HIGH LEVEL. SO AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS A MORE PROACTIVE APPROACH, THE FORMER PLAN SHOWED A CRITICAL WATER SHORTAGE, AN EMERGENCY WATER SHORTAGE. WE'RE TRYING TO ATTACK THAT BEFORE IT GETS TO THAT LEVEL. SO ESSENTIALLY THE BIGGEST DEFINITION THAT WE ALL NEED TO UNDERSTAND IS WHAT ARE NON-ESSENTIAL WATER USES. AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARY TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH, WELFARE AND SAFETY. AND EACH ONE OF THESE SYMBOLS WILL BE CARRIED THROUGHOUT THE PRESENTATION. AND WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM SIMILAR MUNICIPALITIES IS A PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN AND SO ON. AND SO IMPLEMENTING SOME CREATIVE GRAPHICS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC CAN EASILY UNDERSTAND AND READ THE PROVISIONS OF THESE PLANS, MAKES IT EASIER TO READ, BUT WHAT WE'LL START WITH JUST THE IRRIGATION AND LANDSCAPE AREAS, USE OF WATER TO WASH MOTOR VEHICLES, WASH DOWN SIDEWALKS, WASH DOWN BUILDINGS, FLUSHING OF GUTTERS, FILLING OR REFILLING POOLS, USE OF DECORATIVE WATER FOUNTAINS OR PONDS AND THEN USING OF WATER FROM HYDRANTS FOR ANY PURPOSE OTHER THAN FIRE PROTECTION. SO EACH ONE OF THESE WILL HAVE DIFFERENT TRIGGERS. ONCE WE GET TO THE DIFFERENT RESPONSE STAGES. AND SO WE'LL START WITH DROUGHT RESPONSE STAGE ONE. AND WE INDICATE JUST TO KIND OF ORIENT ALL THE AUDIENCE TO HOW WE LAID THIS OUT IS WE HAVE OUR STAGE, WHICH IS IN A COLOR SPECTRUM OF A HEAT MAP, YELLOW BEING THE FIRST STAGE. WE HAVE THE TRIGGER EVENTS, WHICH ONE? WHICH WHEN ONE OF THESE IS TRIGGERED, THE PUBLIC UTILITIES DIRECTOR HAS THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE CITY GOVERNMENT AND THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO INITIATE THIS AS A TRIGGERING EVENT. 
          AGAIN, THIS IS A VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE, THIS IS PRIMARILY TO EDUCATE THE PUBLIC AND TO WARN THEM THAT WE ARE AT 80% TRIGGER. AND ONCE WE DO REACH THAT FOR FOUR CONSECUTIVE DAYS, YOU TERMINATE THAT ONCE YOU BECOME BELOW THAT 80% CAPACITY AND THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY EMERGENCY, EMERGENCY CONTAMINATION OF THE SYSTEM EXISTS. WE PROVIDE A NOTIFICATION PLAN OR A HIERARCHY OF THE NOTIFICATION PLAN FOR EACH OF THE DIFFERENT DROUGHT RESPONSE STAGES, AND THEN ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT I'LL FOCUS ON HERE IS SPECIFIC TO THE IRRIGATION OF LANDSCAPED AREAS. WE ARE SIMPLIFYING THIS FROM THE PREVIOUS PLAN. WE HAVE GONE FROM, A FIXED DATE IRRIGATION SCHEDULE THAT JUST LOOKING AT THE ALLOWED WATER DATES IS PRETTY CONVOLUTED AND DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. SO WE HAVE ALIGNED BETTER WITH THE WATERING 
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SCHEDULE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, SOME OF THOSE INCLUDE CITIES, THE CITIES OF CEDAR HILL, LANCASTER, RED OAK, GLEN HEIGHTS, DALLAS AND FORT WORTH, AND OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE GONE TO THE EVEN AND ODD RESIDENTIAL STREET ADDRESS NUMBERS. AND THEY ARE ASSIGNED A TWO DAY PER WEEK WATERING SCHEDULE. THIS ALLOWS FOR EASIER UNDERSTANDINGS UNDERSTANDING FROM YOUR CITIZENS, BUT ALSO HELPS FOR BETTER PLANNING FOR BRANDON AND HIS TEAM TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE WATER SUPPLY AVAILABLE ON THOSE DAYS, WE MOVE ON TO DROUGHT STAGE TWO. THIS IS WHEN THE DEMAND REACHES 90% OF THE CAPACITY OF YOUR WATER SUPPLY FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS. THERE ARE SIMILAR TERMINATIONS. AS SOON AS YOU DROP DOWN BELOW THAT 90, AND THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL NOTIFICATION AS FAR AS, HOW DO YOU IMPLEMENT THAT DROUGHT RESTRICTION? THERE ARE TWO PAGES SHOWING THE ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON THE DROUGHT RESPONSE. AND ONE THING THAT I'VE SEEN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES INCLUDE, AND WE CAN PROVIDE THIS TO THE CITY OF DESOTO AS WELL, IS THAT 11 BY 17 INFOGRAPHIC THAT SHOWS ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IN AN EASY TO READ FORMAT THAT CAN BE EASILY DIGESTED. MOVING ON TO THE READ STAGE, THIS IS OUR STAGE THREE. THIS IS WHEN DEMAND REACHES 95% OF THE CAPACITY FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE DAYS. THERE WAS A MENTION EARLIER ABOUT SOME OF THE EXTREME DROUGHT EVENTS THAT WE HAD IN 2022, WHERE WE HAD TO CALL IN ADDITIONAL WATER SUPPLY FROM DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. THE INTENT OF THIS THREE STAGE PROCESS IS TO BE MORE PROACTIVE, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET TO THAT AND GO BACK TO DALLAS WATER UTILITIES AND PURCHASE ADDITIONAL WATER. SO WE HAVE OUR NOTIFICATIONS HERE AS WELL, AND THIS FOLLOWS A LINE OF PROGRESSION TO, TO THOSE THAT NEED TO BE REACTIVE TO THESE DROUGHT STAGES. WE HAVE ALL THE DROUGHT RESPONSES LISTED THERE. 
          AND AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THESE SPECIFIC ITEMS FROM YOUR AGENDA PACKET, BRANDON AND I CAN BE AVAILABLE AFTER THIS TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS. SO ENFORCEMENT. SO ENFORCEMENT OF THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN IS THROUGH. AGAIN I WISH I WOULD HAVE BOLD AND UNDERLINE THAT FIRST ITEM. BUT EDUCATION THAT'S PARAMOUNT IMPORTANT UNDER INSTILL AN UNDERSTANDING IN YOUR CUSTOMERS AS FAR AS WHAT THIS MEANS, THIS ISN'T JUST THE CITY, TRYING TO CONSERVE WATER. THIS IS TO PROTECT THEIR PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY. SO WHAT WE HAVE SHOWN IN OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR ENFORCEMENT FOR THE FIRST VIOLATIONS, IT'S A WRITTEN WARNING, FOR THE SECOND VIOLATION, THERE ARE THE POTENTIAL FOR FINES AND RECONNECTION FEES. AND AGAIN, THIS ISN'T ANYTHING NEW. AS PART OF THIS DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN UPDATE, THIS IS PART OF YOUR EXISTING PLAN. AND THAT'S SHOWN IN SECTION 1.106 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. THIRD VIOLATION IS DISCONTINUANCE OF WATER SERVICE AND A RECONNECTION FEE. 
          TEMPORARY VARIANCES MAY BE GRANTED FOR EXISTING WATER USERS, OTHERWISE PROHIBITED WATER USE IS OTHERWISE PROHIBITED UNDER THE DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CONDITIONS THAT MUST BE MET ONE, THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE CUSTOMER. THEY NEED TO INDICATE HOW THEY CAN OR CANNOT BECOME WITHIN COMPLIANCE WITH THE DROUGHT RESTRICTION, THEY CAN PRESENT ALTERNATIVE METHODS TO BE IMPLEMENTED TO OFFSET WHAT THE WATER SAVINGS ARE, THROUGH THAT DROUGHT STAGE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY CAN PRODUCE THE OUTCOME THAT THE CITY IS INTERESTED IN. THOSE PERSONS MUST, REQUEST A VARIANCE, VIA PETITION WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF THE DROUGHT RESPONSE STAGE. SO WE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE, THE SCHEDULE ON THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM, BUT THE INTENT IS TO GET THAT VARIANCE IN HAND WITHIN FIVE DAYS OF THE FORMAL NOTIFICATION OF THAT DROUGHT STAGE BEING REACHED, THAT, AGAIN, IS A PROACTIVE APPROACH. A LOT OF TIMES THESE DROUGHT RESPONSE STAGES ARE JUST DAYS OR WEEKS LONG. SO WE WANT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPROVE THOSE VARIANCE REQUESTS QUICKLY AS WE RECEIVE THEM, AND THAT ALL PETITIONS SHALL BE REVIEWED BY THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES . MOVING ON TO THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN. AGAIN, THIS WAS PREVIOUSLY ADOPTED IN DECEMBER OF 2008. IT IS YOUR YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 1815 DASH EIGHT. AND THAT'S SHOWING A SNIP OF THE COVER, THESE ARE FORMAL T-C-EQ DOCUMENTS. THEY GUIDE, THEY HOLD OUR HANDS THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS. SO WHAT DOES A WATER CONSERVATION PLAN INCLUDE? AGAIN, THERE'S A SERIES OF EIGHT ELEMENTS THAT MUST BE INCLUDED IN THAT PLAN. AND FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR TIME TONIGHT, WE'LL HIT ON THREE OF THOSE. THAT'S ON THE RECORD MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IDENTIFYING A SPECIFIED OR TARGET FOR FIVE AND TEN YEARS. AND THEN HOW DO WE MEASURE AND ACCOUNT FOR LOSSES IN THE WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM? SO JUST TO REFRESH SO SENATE BILL 181 REQUIRES CONSISTENT AND UNIFORM METHODOLOGIES FOR CALCULATING WATER USE. THEY DEFINE THERE IS A WEBSITE THAT'S AVAILABLE THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD THAT ALLOWS YOU TO SELECT YOUR WATER USE GROUP DOWN TO THE CITY, OR EVEN THE COUNTY OR THE STATE, IN THE SNIP, I SHOWED THE CITY OF DESOTO WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE TOP BAR CHART ON THE Y AXIS IS YOUR 
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POPULATION GROWTH PER THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. AND THIS IS ALSO COMING FROM YOUR STATE WATER PLAN, THAT'S THROUGH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD. SO WE'RE SHOWING THE GROWTH PROJECTIONS EXPECTED FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO. AND ON THE BOTTOM BAR CHART, WE SHOW THE DEMAND AS A TERM OF ACRE FEET. IF YOU CAN THINK ABOUT ONE ACRE OF A PROPERTY THAT'S APPROXIMATELY LEVEL, ONCE THAT ACRE OF PROPERTY FILLS BY ONE FOOT, THAT IS ONE ACRE FOOT. SO THAT IS THE THAT IS THE DEMAND END OF YOUR WATER SYSTEM. AS A FUNCTION OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT. 
          THE RED LINE THAT'S SHOWN ON THAT BOTTOM GRAPH IS THE BASELINE GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY. THAT IS A CALCULATION THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, HAS AND THERE WERE SOME DISCUSSIONS EARLIER ABOUT WHAT ARE THE USAGE RATES ACCORDING TO TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, EACH CITIZEN OF THE DESOTO, HAS BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR 155 GALLONS PER DAY. SO WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN? SO WE USE THAT AS A METRIC TO IDENTIFY KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. AND THOSE TYPICALLY FOCUS ON THREE V'S VOLUME VALUE AND VALIDITY. AND WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THOSE. SO HISTORICAL RESIDENTIAL DATA WAS PROVIDED BY THE CITY. AND THAT ALLOWED US TO CALCULATE THE WATER LOSS AS A PERCENTAGE. SO AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE TOTAL GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY, FOR THE HISTORIC FIVE YEAR AVERAGE PER TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS 155 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY. IF WE LOOK AT THE ACTUAL BILLED USAGE, WE SAW 112 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY. SO IF YOU SUBTRACT 151 12 FROM 155, YOU GET 37 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY OF WATER THAT WAS LOST. AND THAT RESULTS IN A WATER LOSS PERCENTAGE OF 23. SO TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD FOR MUNICIPAL WATER PROVIDERS PROVIDES BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, OR BMPS, TO ACHIEVE GOALS THROUGH WISE WATER USAGE. THAT, AGAIN, IS THE TERM THAT I'VE COINED FOR THIS PRESENTATION. FINDING OPPORTUNITIES TO MINIMIZE MINIMIZE THE LOSSES AND TRY TO FIND WAYS TO BE WISER WITH OUR WATER, WHAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED AS THE GOAL WITH WORKING WITH THE CITY FOR THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN SHOWS THAT OUR FIVE YEAR GOAL FOR 2028 IS LESS THAN, 12% WATER LOSS. AND THEN GOING TO THE TEN YEAR GOAL FOR 2023, LESS THAN 10, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR IS THERE'S THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS WITH WATER LOSS. YOU CAN SPEND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON GOING TO 0% WATER LOSS, BUT THAT DOESN'T DIRECTLY RELATE TO THE VALUE THAT YOU SEE BACK. SO WE WANT TO BE PARTICULARLY CAREFUL WITH, WITH OUR INVESTMENTS INTO WATER LOSS. WATER LOSS DESERVES A LOT OF ATTENTION BECAUSE IT IS A DIRECT IMPACT TO YOUR FINANCIALS . AND SOME OF THOSE FINANCIALS INCLUDE TREATMENT COSTS, THAT INCLUDES THE CHEMICALS THAT WE USE AT BOTH HAMPTON AND BOOSTER PUMP STATIONS TO MAINTAIN A CHLORINE RESIDUAL SO THAT IT'S SAFE FOR POTABLE WATER CONSUMPTION. SECOND IS ENERGY, THE MORE WATER THAT MOVES, THE MORE PUMPS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO PUMP, AND ALSO THE MORE THAT WE HAVE IN THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, THE MORE HEAD LOSSES THAT WE HAVE TO OVERCOME, COST OF PURCHASING WATER FROM WHOLESALE WHOLESALE SUPPLIERS LIKE DALLAS WATER UTILITIES AND THEN ACCELERATING CAPACITY BASED IMPROVEMENTS. IF WE CAN MITIGATE AND REDUCE THE PERCENT OF WATER LOSS, WE CAN POSTPONE THE INVESTMENTS INTO YOUR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM INTO THE FUTURE AND NOT HAVE TO IMMEDIATELY RECOGNIZE THAT CAPITAL INVESTMENT. SO WHAT ARE OUR LOSSES, THE WAY THAT MOST AUDIT SOFTWARE IN ONE OF THOSE IS FROM THE AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION, AWA, ESSENTIALLY LOOKS AT THE TOTAL LOSSES BEING A FUNCTION OF THE APPARENT LOSSES AND THE REAL LOSSES. THE ONLY THING THAT'S KNOWN ARE THE APPARENT LOSSES. SO WE USE THE TOTAL LOSSES AND THE APPARENT LOSSES TO CALCULATE THE REAL LOSSES. AND WE'LL GO THROUGH WHAT EACH ONE OF THESE MEANS. SO THE WATER CONSERVATION PLAN PROVIDES A FOUR PILLAR APPROACH TO CONTROL REAL LOSSES. AND THE INTENT OF THE GRAPHIC SHOWING THE THREE BOXES, THE COLOR GRADIENTS. NOT NOT IDEAL FOR THIS LIGHTING SITUATION, BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON IS THE BLACK BOX. AND THOSE ARE THE ECONOMICALLY RECOVERABLE COSTS. THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON. THOSE ARE THE LOW HANGING FRUITS THAT THAT HAVE THE BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK, SO THAT'S METER INACCURACIES, UNAUTHORIZED CONSUMPTION DATA ANALYSIS AREAS AND DATA TRANSFER ERRORS, SO GENERALLY WE WANT TO LOOK AT IMPROVING OUR AUDIT ACCURACY, INCREASING OR DECREASING THE MAGNITUDE OF THE LOSSES. AND THEN THIS ALSO MAY RECOVER UNCAPTURED REVENUE. SO WE'LL FOCUS A LITTLE BIT ON EACH ONE OF THESE ITEMS. FIRST IS IMPROVING THE CUSTOMER WATER METER ACCURACY AND REDUCING THE UNAUTHORIZED CONSUMPTION. 
          BECAUSE BOTH OF THESE ITEMS WILL RESULT IN RECOVERING UNCAPTURED REVENUE. SO LOOKING AT METER INACCURACIES, THERE ARE SOME GUIDANCE OR SOME BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT ARE PROVIDED, 
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LOOKING AT CALIBRATION AND VALIDATION OF SOME OF THE DATA THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING FROM YOUR LARGE METERS. SO GOING THROUGH, FIELD TESTING AND THEN FIELD CALIBRATION OF THOSE METERS, ALSO SYSTEM WIDE METER TESTING, I DID SEE ON THE BUDGET REPORT EARLIER THAT THOSE ARE THERE'S A CAPITAL PLAN FOR REPLACING THE METERS, WHICH WILL PROVIDE GREATER ACCURACY FOR THOSE METERS AND FURTHER REDUCE THE METER INACCURACIES AND THEN UNAUTHORIZED CONSUMPTION. AS WE'RE DEVELOPING A AN INVENTORY OF YOUR SERVICE LINE, UNDERSTANDING WHERE THOSE ILLEGAL BYPASS CONNECTIONS ARE, IDENTIFYING WAYS TO RESOLVE ANY METER TAMPERING THAT'S HAPPENING, BUT ALSO PROVIDING BETTER POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR HYDRANT USE. AND I'LL SHOW A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES FOR EACH ONE OF THESE SLIDES ON WHAT WORK IS ONGOING ALREADY TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THESE, FIRST BEING FOR THE METER ACCURACY IS, ONGOING RIGHT NOW IS THE INSTALLATION OF NEW INFLUENT AND EFFLUENT METERS AT HAMPTON AND WESTMORELAND ROAD PUMP STATIONS, THE WESTMORELAND ROAD INFLUENT METER, IS CURRENTLY IN DESIGN, AND IT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED AS PART OF THE WESTMORELAND ROAD PUMP STATION IMPROVEMENTS, BUT THAT WILL BE A PROOF OF VALIDATION FROM YOUR METER CHARGES FROM DALLAS WATER UTILITIES. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THEY'RE SENDING IF THEY'RE BILLING YOU FOR X MILLION GALLONS PER DAY, YOU'RE SEEING THE SAME X MILLION GALLONS PER DAY. SO THIS PROVIDES A LEVEL OF, VERIFICATION OF THE DATA. SO THIS THIS WORK IS ONGOING. CURRENTLY MOVING ON TO REDUCING THE DATA TRANSFER AND ANALYSIS AND ERRORS WILL IMPROVE YOUR AUDIT ACCURACY, WE HAVE HEARD ABOUT THE INSTALLATION OF AUTOMATIC METER READINGS. THESE ARE THE ARMY'S REVIEWING THE METER DATA AND THEN LOOKING AT YOUR DATA ANALYSIS AREA, ENSURING THAT THE BILLING SOFTWARE CALCULATION IS VALID. 
          AND THEN UNDERSTANDING AND CREATING CLEAR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR HOW TO CORRECT THOSE ERRORS THAT ARE UNCOVERED. SO ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT THAT BRANDON AND HIS TEAM HAVE ALREADY BEGUN DOING IS INSTALLINGNSTALLING THE ADVANCED METERING INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S TERMED AS AMI. THAT WILL IMPROVE YOUR METERING ACCURACY AND PROVIDE MORE VISIBILITY AT THE DATA LEVEL. THE SUPERVISORY CONTROL LEVEL, AND THAT WILL THAT WILL IMPROVE NOT ONLY THE DATA THAT YOU RECEIVE, BUT ALSO AS A HISTORICAL APPROACH TO ALLOW US TO HAVE BETTER GRANULARITY OF THAT DATA SO WE CAN VALIDATE THAT INFORMATION. MOVING ON TO THE APPARENT LOSSES, AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO DIFFERENT WITHIN YOUR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM THAT CAN REDUCE THE POTENTIAL FOR THOSE WATER LOSSES. AND AGAIN, WE'RE FOCUSING ON THE ECONOMICALLY RECOVERABLE ITEMS, BECAUSE THESE ARE THE ONES THAT THAT HAVE A PURE AND, EASY BENEFIT TO THE CITY THAT IS MAINTAINING SUFFICIENT PRESSURE IN THE SYSTEM AS THE PRESSURES IN THE SYSTEM INCREASE. YOU'VE GOT JOINTED PIPE IN YOUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. SO AS THE INTERNAL PRESSURES GO UP, YOU HAVE THE POTENTIAL OF INCREASING YOUR LEAKS. SO HAVING A SYSTEM THAT YOU CAN MANAGE THE PRESSURE , FROM A SYSTEM STANDPOINT IS GOING TO IMPROVE YOUR, YOUR APPARENT LOSSES. ALSO, THE SPEED AND QUALITY OF REPAIRS, MAKING SURE THAT YOU HAVE THE APPROPRIATE INDIVIDUALS ON STAFF TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT AND ADDRESS THESE ITEMS IN A TIMELY MANNER. I'VE WORKED WITH BRANDON TO, DEVELOP A SPREADSHEET THAT ALLOWS FOR MORE ACCURATE, MORE ACCURATE, CALCULATION OF SOME OF THE LOSSES ASSOCIATED WITH DIFFERENT TYPES OF PIPE FAILURES. AND SO IT'S A FUNCTION OF HOW LONG IS THAT PIPE BEING FAILED AND HOW QUICKLY YOU CAN GET THERE TO RESOLVE THAT ISSUE, BUT ALSO ASSET MANAGEMENT. YOU HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PLAN THAT INDICATES, INVESTMENT IN YOUR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. 
          AND SO MAKING SURE THAT THAT YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT MANAGES THE DIFFERENT PIPE MATERIAL TYPES, THEIR AGE AND CONDITION TO MAKE THOSE EDUCATED DECISIONS ON WHEN YOU SHOULD INVEST IN THOSE IMPROVEMENTS. SO LOOKING AT THE SYSTEM PRESSURE. SO AS A SYSTEM PRESSURE INCREASES, YOUR REAL LOSSES HAS THE POTENTIAL TO INCREASE. SO WAYS TO ALLEVIATE THIS IS TO RECONFIGURE PRESSURE ZONES. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THAT EVALUATING IN AS PART OF OUR BOLTON BOONE IMPROVEMENTS. 
          WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE MORE OF DIVIDES AMONG THE PRESSURE ZONES. AND SO THAT ALLOWS US TO CREATE, INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS THAT WE CAN MONITOR THOSE PRESSURES AND WE CAN MANAGE THOSE PRESSURES ON, ON A BETTER LEVEL, BUT ALSO IMPLEMENTING AS, DIFFERENT PUMP CONTROL STRATEGIES. AND FOR THOSE THAT DID GO TO HAMPTON ROAD, YOU DID SEE IN THE ELECTRICAL ROOM, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT ELECTRICAL INVESTMENT INTO THAT ROOM. THOSE ARE, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ASK, EITHER ADJUSTABLE OR VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVES. THEY ALLOW YOU TO RAMP UP AND RAMP DOWN THE PUMP SPEED, TO MAINTAIN THAT PRESSURE AND TO MAINTAIN PROPER CONTROL SO YOU CAN CONTINUE SERVING AND PROVIDING THE MINIMUM OF 20 PSI, BUT IT ALLOWS YOU BETTER MANAGEMENT OF THAT 
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SYSTEM. SO AS I MENTIONED, BOLTON BOONE IS ONE ITEM. AND THEN ALSO HAMPTON AND WESTMORELAND WILL INCLUDE SYSTEMS FOR THEIR PUMP CONTROLS TO BETTER RESPOND TO INTERNAL SYSTEM PRESSURES. ACTIVELY CONTROL INCLUDES IDENTIFYING AND QUANTIFYING LEAKAGE. I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT THE SPREADSHEET, THE CALCULATIONS THAT WE PROVIDED TO THE CITY OF DESOTO TO HELP MONITOR, WHAT THEIR LEAKAGE ARE AND TO CALCULATE THOSE, THERE IS, ACTIVE, ACOUSTIC LEAK DETECTION THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW WITH THE CITY. THERE'S ALSO THE ABILITY TO USE A SATELLITE LEAK DETECTION. AND THEN, WHAT ELSE? WHAT I WAS DESCRIBING EARLIER ARE THESE DISTRICT METERED AREAS, DMAS THESE ONCE WE CREATE THESE, THESE BOUNDARIES OF THE PRESSURE ZONES, WE CAN ACTUALLY IDENTIFY THE FLOW THAT ARE GOING TO EACH OF THOSE PRESSURE ZONES. 
          AND IF WE SEE ANYTHING PLUS OR MINUS AS FAR AS THE FLOWS OR PRESSURES THAT WE HAVE, THE ABILITY TO NARROW DOWN, THE LOCATIONS OF THOSE. SO USING ACOUSTIC LEAK DETECTION AND SOURCE WATER RESIDUALS TESTING TO IDENTIFY LEAKS, BRENDAN AND I HAVE WORKED ON THAT ON OTHER LEAK, IN INVESTIGATIONS THAT WE HAVE DONE UTILIZING EXTERNAL SUB CONSULTANTS TO PERFORM ACOUSTIC LEAK DETECTION, BUT ALSO USING SOME OF YOUR LABORATORY RESOURCES AT HAMPTON ROAD IN WESTMORELAND ROAD TO IDENTIFY IF THERE IS ANY RESIDUAL CHLORINE INDICATING WHETHER OR NOT IT'S GROUNDWATER OR IF IT'S SOMETHING COMING FROM YOUR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. REPAIR AND ASSET MANAGEMENT POLICIES CAN REDUCE RELEASES FROM FAILING INFRASTRUCTURE, SO TRACKING LINE BREAKS, TRACKING RESPONSE TIME, IMPROVING THE REPAIR QUALITY, DEVELOPING A SET OF DETAILS SO THAT, AN EMERGENCY CONTRACTOR OR BRANDON'S TEAM CAN GO OUT AND EASILY IMPLEMENT A DETAILED TO PERFORM THE REPAIRS IS SOMETHING THAT'S, DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT, WILL IMPROVE THE RESPONSE TO THESE EVENTS, AND THEN PROACTIVE ASSET REPLACEMENT, THE WATER MASTER PLAN INCLUDED CAPITAL PLANNING FOR PROJECTS TO REPLACE ASSORTED EIGHT INCH AND 12 INCH WATER LINES BASED ON AGE, SIZE, MATERIAL AND PRESSURE. THERE ARE PLOTS THAT ARE A BAR CHARTS THAT ARE AVAILABLE FROM THE AMERICAN WATER WORKS ASSOCIATION, BASED ON HISTORICAL INFORMATION THAT SHOWS THE MATERIAL, THE PIPE, THE AGE OF THE PIPE, THE BARRIER OF THE PIPE AND THE INTERNAL PRESSURES AND FOR WHAT IT COULD BE CONSIDERED FOR ITS USEFUL LIFE. SO MAKING SURE THAT YOU MAKE THAT REPLACEMENT PRIOR TO IT GETTING TO ITS USE END OF USEFUL LIFE, AND THEN THAT WILL ALLEVIATE ANY OF THE WATER LOSSES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FAILURE. SO IN IN SUMMARY, STRATEGIC WATER PLANNING CAN IMPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH AND WELFARE AND SAFETY AND DELAY CAPITAL INVESTMENTS. SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS, FOCUS ON THE LOW HANGING FRUIT. DON'T OVER INVEST INTO CONTROLLING WATER LOSS BECAUSE IT IS ONE COMPONENT OF USING WHILE USING WATER WISELY. IMPROVE YOUR DATA QUANTITY. THAT'S WITH THE METER REPLACEMENTS AND THE ARMY TECHNOLOGIES. CONTINUE INVESTING IN THAT TO IMPROVE YOUR DATA AND ALSO VALIDATE METER ACCURACY. AS WE TALKED EARLIER TO, INSTALLING, ADDITIONAL METERS IN THE SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO VALIDATE THE DATA THAT YOU'RE BEING BILLED FOR IS SOMETHING THAT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AND THEN PROACTIVE CAPITAL PLANNING, HAVE A CAPITAL PLAN IN PLACE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AS COUNCIL THAT YOU HAVE A PLAN TO REPLACE THE INFRASTRUCTURE PRIOR TO IT EXPIRING. ITS USEFUL LIFE. AND THEN JUST ANOTHER REMINDER, BALANCE ECONOMICS OF WATER LOSS. 
          AGAIN, IT'S WATER LOSS IS JUST ONE COMPONENT IN USING WATER WISELY. IT'S A VERY SMALL COMPONENT. AND SO INVEST WISELY. SO START SIMPLE TRACK DATA OVER TIME AND THEN CHANGE TARGETS AS NECESSARY. AGAIN THIS IS A FIVE YEAR UPDATE CYCLE, IF GOALS OBJECTIVES CHANGE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT THAT PLAN WOULD BE UPDATED ACCORDINGLY, SIMILAR AS TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, THEY DO ISSUE THEIR STATE WATER PLAN FOR REGENCY UPDATES, EVERY 2 OR 3 YEARS, DEPENDING ON THEIR AVAILABILITY, BEING REACTIVE TO THOSE UPDATES AND THE STATE WATER PLANS HAS TO FILTER DOWN INTO YOUR, DROUGHT CONTINGENCY WATER CONSERVATION PLANS. SO I'D BE REMISS NOT TO, ACKNOWLEDGE URGE OTHERS THAT ASSISTED WITH THIS EFFORT. FIRST, AS INTERIM CITY MANAGER. CAMERON, NEXT IS THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES. LACEY, MANAGER OF UTILITIES. MCDONNELL AND ALSO MY INTERNAL TEAM, MARK BROWN, WHICH YOU ALSO KNOW, FROM PREVIOUS PROJECTS. AND THEN CAT TURNER, THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN DEVELOPING THIS. AND, WE APPRECIATE IT WAS A COLLABORATIVE PROCESS. AND, WE'LL CONCLUDE WITH A JUST A Q&A PERIOD. BRANDON AND I THERE HE IS, THAT YOU RAN OFF ON ME, BRANDON AND I ARE AVAILABLE TO 
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TAKE OFF. TAKE ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS AGAIN. THIS IS AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON OUR PRELIMINARY FINDINGS OR RECOMMENDATIONS. THERE WILL BE SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE THAT WE WILL BRING YOU THE FINAL AFTER ACCOUNTING FOR YOUR COMMENTS, FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION FOR ADOPTION. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. RACKLEY, COUNCIL MEMBER, I THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND THANK YOU, MR. BAGLEY, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I HAVE A VERY EASY QUESTION, IT'S HARD TO LOOK AT THE WATER LOSS PERCENTAGE AND NOT ASK WHAT WE COULD DO BETTER. AND YOU DID A WONDERFUL JOB EXPLAINING ALL OF THAT. BUT CAN YOU TELL US WHAT'S THE INDUSTRY AVERAGE, WHAT'S THE IS THERE AN AVERAGE OF WATER LOSS OR IS THERE AN ACCEPTABLE PERCENTAGE, ARE WE DOING OKAY AS A CITY? ARE WE ARE WE GREATER THAN MOST? LESS THAN. BETTER THAN OTHERS? YEAH. I MENTIONED THE KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATOR AND ALL. THAT'S PUBLIC RECORD. IT'S ALL AVAILABLE THROUGH THE TEXAS. 
          TEXAS, I JUST WENT BLANK THROUGH , THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, AND IT WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH A DASHBOARD OF HOW YOU COMPARE AGAINST OTHER UTILITIES. I WOULD SAY IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR DATA THROUGH 2022, THEN YOU ARE AT THE 50TH PERCENTILE, BUT AS WATER LOSS INCREASE INCREASES, THAT THAT WILL TAKE YOU FURTHER IN THAT 50TH PERCENTILE. SO YOU'RE ON AVERAGE WITH YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. AND IT'S NOTHING THAT I WOULD NECESSARILY BE ALARMED ABOUT. 
          YOU SAID 15 PERCENTILE, 5050. SO AT MEDIAN. WHERE WE ARE BETTER THAN LANCASTER THOUGH, RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SIR. NO OTHER QUESTION. BUT THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, THE LEASE THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT IS THE LEASE WITH THE PUMP STATIONS, NOT THE LEASE WITH THE ACTUAL RESIDENCE. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. SO THE LEASE OF THE RESIDENCE IS NOT ANYTHING THAT THE CITY OF DESOTO CAN CONTROL. THAT'S A THAT'S AN UNKNOWN OR AN APPARENT LEAK TO THE CITY OF DESOTO, AS FAR AS A METER READINGS GO, IF THEY IDENTIFY THAT LEAK, THEN THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO FIX IT. THE LEAKS THAT I WAS REFERRING TO IS THE LEAKS IN THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. CORRECT? I WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY THAT JUST IN CASE SOMEBODY WAS GOING TO ASK THAT QUESTION, OUT IN THE PUBLIC, BUT I ALSO THE REASON THAT I ASKED THE QUESTION WAS BECAUSE OF THE ACTUAL, SCHEDULING OF WATERING, I LOVE IT. I MEAN, I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I LIKE BEING ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME A PLAN IN PLACE. HOWEVER, I WANT TO ASK, WAS THERE A REASON THAT WE CHOSE 80% AS OPPOSED TO 70% TO IN, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY PUT THESE THINGS IN PLACE? THAT NUMBER WAS WAS A NUMBER THAT WAS NEGOTIATED WITH WITH BRANDON AND HIS TEAM, THAT NUMBER CAN BE WHATEVER THE CITY WANTS, 80 WAS A NUMBER THAT WE ALIGNED WITH AND THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL ACTION THROUGH THE CODE ORDINANCES FOR STAGE ONE. 
          OKAY. AND THEN THE ACTUAL STAGE, THE ACTUAL, PHASES OF WATERING. THE REASON THAT I ASKED THAT QUESTION WAS BECAUSE THE STAGES OF WATERING ONLY CHANGED ONCE YOU GOT TO STAGE THREE. THEY REALLY STAYED PRETTY STAGNANT, ALLOWING WATERING ALL DAY OR HOWEVER LONG THE FIRST TWO PHASES, AND THEN THE THIRD PHASE. YOU GOT DRASTIC, BUT IT REALLY STILL DOESN'T SEEM THAT DRASTIC. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE AT 80% ON STAGE ONE, AND THEN BY THE TIME YOU GET TO STAGE THREE, YOU'RE AT A PLACE WHERE YOU REALLY NEED TO SHUT THINGS DOWN OR TRY TO HOPE PEOPLE WILL SHUT THINGS DOWN. BUT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING. 
          I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, WE WANT TO BE FAIR AND REASONABLE WITH ALL YOUR YOUR CUSTOMERS. I WILL PUT A PLUG IN TO WATER MY YARD ORG. IT IS A IT IS A WEBSITE THAT IS PART OF THE TEXAS A&M AGRILIFE EXTENSION. IT'S SOMETHING THAT MONITORS RAINFALL DATA AND THE SOIL SATURATION LEVELS FOR YOUR COMMUNITY, SO THAT THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT YOU'D ONLY WATER ON THE DAYS YOU NEED WATER, EVEN THOUGH THAT YOUR WATER DAY MAY BE ON A TUESDAY. IF YOU LOOK AT WATER MELODY ORG AND IT IDENTIFIES THAT YOUR SOILS ARE, SATURATED ENOUGH TO BE CONDUCIVE TO CREATE A ROOT SYSTEM FOR LANDSCAPE AND THEN NO WATER THAT DAY. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEY LIVE IN DROUGHT. STAGE ONE, SO THEY YEAR ROUND, REGARDLESS OF RAIN OR DROUGHT, REGARDLESS, SO THEY HAVE WATER RESTRICTIONS TWO DAYS A WEEK BASED ON THE, THE EVEN AND ODD. AND THAT'S A RECOMMENDATION TO THE STATE WATER PLAN. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. AND I'LL JUST THROW ANOTHER LITTLE SLIMINESS SHAME PLUG OUT THERE. THERE'S A GUY WHO'S ON YOUTUBE WHO SAID WATER DEEP AND LESS SO WATER DEEP AND LESS SO. AND I'LL ADD SOME CREDIBILITY TO THAT. THAT'S ALSO A RECOMMENDATION WITH THE TEXAS A&M AGRILIFE EXTENSION. 
          THEY PROVIDE WHAT THEY CALL A TUNA CAN TEST FOR WATERING DEEP. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT, BUT ESSENTIALLY IF YOU TAKE A TUNA CAN AT ITS STANDARD DIMENSION AND YOU PUT TUNA CANS THROUGHOUT YOUR YARD, THEY WANT YOU TO WATER AT LEAST AN INCH. SO CONTINUE TO WATER, TO WHERE 
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THERE'S ONE INCH IN THAT TUNA CAN. THANK YOU, I HAVE A QUESTION, AND IT GOES BACK TO THE, THE, THE THOSE THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE. SO HOW IS THAT DETERMINED? AND YOU MAY HAVE, YOU MAY HAVE THAT MAY HAVE BEEN EMBEDDED, BUT I WANTED TO GET CLEAR ON HOW YOU'RE DETERMINING WHICH RESIDENTS ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE. IS THAT A METER THING OR. YES, IT IS A METER. 
          OKAY. SO WE HAVE, SEVERAL AVENUES. ONE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, WATCHING OUR AUTOMATIC METER INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CAN MONITOR USAGE IN REAL TIME. WE WOULD ALSO RELY ON LIKE LAST YEAR, WE RELIED ON OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AS WELL AS OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY OVERNIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY WHEN IRRIGATION STARTS TO MAKE SURE THAT FOLKS ARE ACTUALLY WATERING THE DAYS AND TIMES THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO. OKAY. AND THE, THE NEXT QUESTION I HAD IS IN THAT SAME VEIN IN TERMS OF AN APPEAL PROCESS. SO WAS THE PETITION PROCESS THAT YOU SPOKE ABOUT, IS THAT IS THAT SOMEWHAT LIKE AN APPEAL PROCESS? SO IF A RESIDENT WANTS TO IF THEY DISAGREE, RIGHT, WITH, WITH, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING IN COMPLIANCE OR NOT. IS THERE AN APPEAL PROCESS FOR THAT. SO WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE APPLYING FOR THE VARIANCE OR I DON'T REMEMBER. YEAH I THINK INTERCHANGEABLY VARIANCE AND THE APPEAL PROCESS. BUT YES THE CUSTOMERS DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUBMIT A VARIANCE THROUGH THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC UTILITIES AND THEY'VE GOT TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THEY CAN EITHER MITIGATE THROUGH OTHER WATER CONSERVATION MEASURES, OR THEY PHYSICALLY DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO COMPLY WITH THE REQUEST. THEY'VE GOT TO MAKE THAT CASE WITH SUBSTANTIAL SUBSTANTIVE. THAT WORD, TO GIVE TO BRANDON SO THAT A DECISION CAN BE MADE ON ACCEPTANCE OF THE VARIANCE. OKAY. SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TERMINOLOGY, I GUESS, IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR, SOMETHING TO WHERE RESIDENTS, IF THEY DISAGREE WITH THAT DETERMINATION, WHAT'S THEIR PROCESS. AND I THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. AND COUNCILMEMBER, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD JUST, YOU KNOW, THE ORDINANCE DOES, YOU KNOW, GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO THE PUBLIC UTILITIES DIRECTOR, BUT I'M NOT WORKING AUTONOMOUSLY. I WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WHEN MAKING THOSE DETERMINATIONS. THANK YOU, I WILL SAY THAT I DO NOT SUPPORT THE POLICE HELPING IN THIS. I THINK THEIR JOBS COULD BE BETTER USED. I WOULD SAY THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATION, AROUND THIS, HEAVILY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE RELY ON PEOPLE MAYBE READING THEIR WATER BILL, WHICH DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN. 
          RIGHT, OR I GUESS SITTING IN COUNCIL MEETING AND IT BEING DISCUSSED THERE. SO AND I TALKED TO THE INTERIM CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS DURING A MEETING THIS PAST WEEK. AND JUST HOW CAN WE GET CREATIVE, MORE CREATIVE IN THE OUTREACH OF EDUCATION FOR THIS? AND THEN THE OUTREACH FOR ALERTING, SO THAT IT'S NOT ON THE BACKS OF, IT'S NOT AS LABORING FOR STAFF, BUT MORE OF AN AUTOMATION PERSPECTIVE SO THAT IT'S SMART. IT REACHES MORE WITH LESS COSTS FOR OUT OF FOR YOU ALL. YES, MA'AM. AND LET ME CLARIFY THE STATEMENT. AS FAR AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GOES. YES, MA'AM. THAT WAS MORE OF A BYPRODUCT OF NORMAL PATROLS. IT'S NOT LIKE WE AS THE DEPARTMENT ARE SENDING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, MORE OR LESS SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING. BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY RELY ON STAFF. WE RELY ON STAFF FROM OTHER DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE WE CAN'T. THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION IS WE CAN'T BE EVERYWHERE AT THE SAME TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, AT ANY GIVEN TIME. SO WE'RE NOT SENDING THE POLICE AFTER ANYBODY. BUT IF THEY JUST SO HAPPEN TO SEE IT AS A PART OF THEIR ROUTINE PATROLS. 
          YEAH THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. LACEY. AND THANK YOU, MR. RILEY. I DON'T SEE ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTS ON FOR THIS. AND SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING THIS AGAIN, ONCE THOSE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS ARE MADE. COUNCIL, AT THIS TIME, IF. OH, I'M SORRY, I WAS WAITING FOR YOUR MAGIC QUESTION. WHAT DIRECTION ARE WE NEEDING FROM COUNCIL? OH, OKAY. YES. I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T I SO THIS MISSION IS DUE RELATIVELY QUICKLY. SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER FEEDBACK OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE CLARIFIED OR ANYTHING, WE NEED TO GO TO THE DRAWING BOARD FOR. IF YOU COULD PLEASE GET WITH THE CITY MANAGER. THAT WAY WE CAN BRING IT BACK FOR FORMAL ADOPTION, I THINK, I THINK THE QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS OR THE LACK THEREOF. COUNCIL, IS THERE A CONSENSUS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT IN TERMS OF JUST A POINT OF INFORMATION BEFORE YOU ASK THAT, WHAT IS THE OUTREACH? WHAT WHERE WOULD THAT BE? WHERE WOULD THAT INFORMATION BE? SIT LIKE IN HER, WHAT SHE, COUNCILWOMAN, CHISHOLM WAS SAYING ABOUT THE ACTUAL OUTREACH. WHAT IS THAT? EDUCATION PIECE? IT HASN'T BEEN OUTLINED HERE. RIGHT? SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. YEAH. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL AVENUES WITH WHICH, YOU KNOW, COVID KIND OF TOOK, YOU KNOW, MADE OUTREACH KIND OF A BACK SEAT. BUT WE DO HAVE SEVERAL AVENUES VIA OUR CITY MANAGER REPORT, OUR WEBSITE , THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS VERY GOOD ABOUT PROVIDING A LOT OF RESOURCES. AS FAR AS PAMPHLETS, AS FAR AS WATER USAGE AND SUCH, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO HAND OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND HAVE AVAILABLE AT THE FRONT COUNTER AS A MEANS OF EDUCATING. 
          AND ALSO WHEN WE GO INTO THESE DROUGHT PROVISIONS, WE DO, READILY ADVERTISE OUR WORK HAND IN HAND WITH OUR COMMUNICATIONS STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S ALL ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS AND EVERYTHING. AND I BELIEVE GRAPHIC THAT HE WAS EXPLAINING WON'T BE AVAILABLE JUST YET. THE INFOGRAPHIC THAT HE SAID EARLIER, I HAVEN'T DEVELOPED SO I COULD SHARE IT 
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WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IF THAT'S WHAT SOMETHING ESSENTIALLY TAKES. THE THREE SLIDES THAT I HAD FOR THE THREE DIFFERENT STAGES PUTS IT ON 11 BY 17, I THINK I THINK THAT WHAT THE QUESTION IS, IS HOW ARE WE GOING TO REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC? AND I THINK WHAT I'VE SEEN OTHER MUNICIPALITIES DO IS INCLUDE FLIERS AS PART OF THEIR BILLING STATEMENTS, BUT ALSO ADVERTISE IN THEIR PUBLIC UTILITIES BILLING OFFICE, AND THEN CREATE, LIKE SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES, A WEBSITE DEDICATED TO WATER SENSE IN SOME WATER SENSE, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE VISITED BY YOUR CUSTOMERS AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY, COULD BE ADVERTISED, DALLAS WATER UTILITIES HAS A GREAT PR CAMPAIGN THAT THEY DO WITH AN ACTUAL WATER DROP, A PERSON STUFFED INTO A WATER DROP THAT GOES AROUND TO THE DIFFERENT SHOWS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF IDEAS OUT THERE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF, KIND OF GROUNDWORK THAT'S ALREADY BEEN LAID BY SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES. OKAY THANK YOU. AND THERE WAS A THERE WAS A TRAINING CLASS OR AN EDUCATIONAL CLASS, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE YEAR BEFORE LAST OR IF IT WAS LAST YEAR, BUT I AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHO PUT IT ON. BUT WE HAD A WATER. THERE WAS A IT WAS A DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF. YES I DO, WE USED TO HAVE, PRIOR TO COVID LIKE, DIRECTOR LACEY MENTIONED, WE USED TO HAVE EVERY YEAR WITH, TEXAS A&M AG EXTENSION, THEY WOULD COME IN AND PUT ON CLASS A, SEVERAL CLASSES. WE HAD A WHOLE PROGRAM ABOUT, NATIVE, NATIVE AND ADAPTIVE PLANTS, YOU KNOW, HOW TO PREPARE YOUR SPRINKLER SYSTEM, HOW TO CHECK YOUR SYSTEM FOR LEAKS, A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROGRAMING THAT THEY WOULD PROVIDE FOR US, AND THEY PROVIDE AN INSTRUCTOR. INSTRUCTOR TO COME OUT AND TEACH THOSE CLASSES IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, THAT'S WHAT WE USED TO HAVE. AND CITY MANAGER CAMERON AND MAYOR, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. THE LAST TIME I LOOKED INTO THAT WAS ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND I BELIEVE THAT WAS A GRANT FUNDED PROGRAM THAT'S I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING ON ANYMORE. BUT I CAN DOUBLE CHECK. 
          OKAY. AND I MAY BE THINKING OF SOMETHING DIFFERENT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT WAS WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS FOR SURE. AND EITHER IT WAS VIRTUAL OR IT WAS HERE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, BUT IT WAS AROUND WATER. WATER CONSERVATION , THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, AND JUST KIND OF SPEAKING TO THE EDUCATIONAL PIECE THAT WE'RE UNDERSCORING, BUT YEAH, IF YOU CAN DEFINITELY LOOK TO SEE WHAT MAY BE AVAILABLE, I THINK, I THINK THAT MAY BE USEFUL TO JUST TO CONTINUE TO EDUCATE OUR RESIDENTS. COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL, YOU HAVE OUR FINAL COMMENT. SURE THING, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE CLARITY OF EVERYTHING. I THINK MY QUESTION IS RELATED TO COMPLIANCE OF THE WHEN WE HAVE TO GO TO THE MANDATORY DATES. AND SO THE ONES WE HAD BEFORE WERE VERY CONVOLUTED, AND I GOT A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THAT WAS JUST TOO HARD TO FOLLOW. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, HOW DID YOU GET TO THE TWO DAYS A WEEK THAT YOU SELECTED WITH THE ODD AND EVENS? AND YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT ALIGNING WITH OTHER CITIES. IS THERE ANY OTHER RATIONALE RELATED TO THAT? AND THEN, AND I GUESS AT THIS POINT COULD, COULD I INTERJECT ANOTHER THOUGHT? SO FOR ME, IT WOULD BE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND THAT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHEN MY TRASH IS PICKED UP, WHICH IS TWO DAYS A WEEK, AND I, YOU KNOW, TOOK A LOOK AT THE DATES AND DAYS AND I THINK IT WAS A TWO DAY, THREE DAY SPLIT BETWEEN THOSE TWO DATES THAT WAS SELECTED. AND THEN I NOTICED THAT ONE DAY WAS A WEEKEND, ONE DAY WAS A WEEK. AND IT'S LIKE I GET THAT RATIONALE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE EASE OF USE AND GREATER COMPLIANCE IS, I GUESS, WHERE I'M TRYING TO GO. AND WHAT WOULD BE EASIEST TO MAKE FOLKS MORE COMPLIANT TO THOSE WATERING DATES AND HAS ANY IS THERE ANY DATA FROM THE OTHER CITIES THAT YOU KNOW OF HOW COMPLIANT PEOPLE ARE TO THE YOU KNOW, ODD AND EVENS? YEAH, THE TWO DAYS A WEEK WAS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE STATE WATER PLAN, BUT ALSO THE TEXAS A&M AGRILIFE SYSTEM AS FAR AS THE, METHODOLOGY FOR SELECTING EVEN AND ODD AND HOW THAT APPLIES TO THE WATERING DATES AND THE TIMES. THAT'S A FUNCTION OF WHAT IS OUR END GOAL. AND SO WHAT WE FOUND WITH THE NUMBER OF DAYS TO TREAT THE TRIGGERING EVENTS, IS CONSISTENT WITH A REDUCTION IN OUR WATER, WATER LOSS GOALS. SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND AN OPPORTUNITY TO, MITIGATE ANY OF THAT AND USING ESTABLISHED RATIONALE FROM THE STATE WATER PLAN, AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD GUIDED THAT DECISION. OKAY, OKAY. SO THEY MADE THE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE ODDS AND EVENS. AND THE PARTICULAR DAY OF THE WEEK. NO, THEY JUST SAY THEY JUST SAID TWO DAYS A WEEK, JUST TWO DAYS A WEEK. YEAH. AND REALLY OUR OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLE WAS TO MAINTAIN MAINTAIN COMMONALITY BETWEEN SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES JUST TO ELIMINATE ANY CONFUSING AND, AND FOR THOSE WITH AUTOMATIC SPRINKLER SYSTEMS, IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO PUT IN, TWO DAYS A WEEK VERSUS TRYING TO AUTOMATICALLY PROGRAM SOMETHING FOR A TRASH DAY. IF THAT'S NOT ON A CONSISTENT FREQUENCY. AND ALSO, IT'S THE DAYS THAT WE'RE HOPING TO INGRAIN IN YOUR CUSTOMERS HEADS THAT ON, YOU KNOW, WEDNESDAYS OR SATURDAYS, SATURDAYS, DEPENDING ON THEIR ADDRESS OR THEIR WATERING DAYS, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT MAKES SENSE. WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR ME IS THE TRASH DAYS. 
          SO THAT'S ALL I WANT TO THROW OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S JUST EASIER FOR ME TO REMEMBER. AND IT WAS, IT WAS SORT OF LIKE THE SAME SPREAD. BUT I COULD SEE THE ADVANTAGE, DIRECTOR OF US GOING 
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WITH THE OTHER CITIES AND MAYBE THAT OUTREACH EFFORTS IS SOMETHING UNIVERSAL THAT WE COULD DO AS BEST SOUTHWEST AS WE'VE DONE IN OTHER THINGS, SO THAT YOU CAN CO-LABOR WITH WITH THE COST OF OUTREACH, OR IF IT'S THE COST OF COMMUNICATIONS, YOU KNOW, THE BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES AND WHATEVER THAT COMMUNICATION DETAIL LOOK LIKE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, I BELIEVE THEY'RE WANTING CONSENSUS, I THINK WE HAVE GENERAL CONSENSUS. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE HERE TODAY. YES. I'D LIKE TO JUST ADD THAT I LIKE THAT IDEA OF THE TRASH DAYS, BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS ON 2 TO 2 DAYS A WEEK. EVERYBODY IS ON EITHER MONDAY AND THURSDAY OR TUESDAY AND FRIDAY. SO IT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. BUT I GET WHAT YOU GUYS WERE TRYING TO DO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M IN CONSENSUS. THANK YOU. AND I WANTED TO COSIGN ON WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CHISUM NOTED RELATED TO POLICE AND COMPLIANCE AND ALL THAT THING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, I BELIEVE THAT WILL DO IT. THANK YOU ALL. SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION, AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT THIS AGAIN. COUNCIL, AT THIS TIME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHISUM TO ADJOURN COUNCIL. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED. SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY, IT IS 7:56 P.M. AND WE ARE NOW
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