[1. Call to Order]
[00:00:02]
GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
THE TIME IS NOW 6:00 PM TODAY IS TUESDAY, JANUARY 23RD, 2024.
WE WANNA CALL TO ORDER THE WORK SESSION OF DESOTO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.
UH, MEETING, UH, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM TO MY RIGHT, YOUR LEFT, WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BELL, COMMISSIONER CAESAR, COMMISSIONER RNE TO MY LEFT, UH, COMMISSIONER BROOKS, AND COMMISSIONER BERRY, AND MYSELF, MR. PUGH.
SO AGAIN, THE QUORUM HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED.
I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO REVIEW THE MINUTES FROM JANUARY 9TH, 2024.
WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION REGARDING THOSE MINUTES DURING OUR REGULAR SESSION.
AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE'LL
[2. Presentation and discussion of the Draft Hampton Road Character Code.]
JUMP RIGHT INTO THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE.GIVE US A SECOND, PLEASE, SIR.
AND MR. BREWER, IF IT'LL BE MORE CONVENIENT, DO YOU WANT US TO MAYBE DISCUSS SOME OF THE OTHER AGENDA ITEMS AND COME BACK TO IT? NO, THE, UH, REPRESENTATIVES ARE HERE.
I JUST WANTED HER TO GIVE A LITTLE INTRODUCTION OVERVIEW TO YOU.
BECAUSE THIS IS ACTUALLY THE ONLY ITEM THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE WORKSHOP, SINCE IT'S GOING TO BE SO IN DEPTH.
ALRIGHT, SIR, IF YOU COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED.
I LEAD THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS HERE FOR THE CITY.
UM, AND IT'S KIND OF ODD THAT I'M THE ONE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
UM, I DON'T USUALLY GET TO DO THIS, BUT I'M PLEASED TO BE HERE.
AND, AND FRANKLY, I THINK I'M, I'M PRINCIPALLY HERE BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS PROJECT PREDATES EITHER MR. BREWER OR, UH, OR, UH, BESTER IN THIS PROJECT.
UM, CLEAR BACK TO THE TIME WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT ROAD SECTIONS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS WAS ALL HEADED.
BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT MAKING THESE COMMENTS PROPERLY EMPHASIZES THE CITY'S UNDERLYING DESIRE TO TAKE ON WHAT IS PRINCIPALLY AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECT THAT'S MEANT TO CREATE A DESTINATION OR A CITY CENTER, IF YOU WILL, THAT IS A DESTINATION FOR DESOTO FOR SOUTHERN DALLAS.
AND IN FACT, ALL OF THE DFW METROPLEX, OUR COLLEAGUES WITH US TONIGHT FROM HALF AN ASSOCIATES ARE HERE TO REVIEW THE DRAFT OF THE CHARACTER BASED CODE THAT WILL GUIDE THE DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS ONE MILE CORRIDOR AND ITS SURROUNDING AREA.
BUT TO BE CLEAR, THE CHARACTER BASED CODE WILL ULTIMATELY BECOME THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THE CORRIDOR.
IT'S REPLACING AND SUPERSEDING THE CURRENT ZONING FOR THESE APPROXIMATELY 400 PARCELS AND IS NOT AN OVERLAY DISTRICT, OR IS NOT GOING TO RELY IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM ON THE EXISTING, UH, ZONING AREAS THAT ARE IN THE, THE CURRENT LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES.
THE LAST PRESENTA, THE LAST PRESENTATION OF THIS BODY IN NOVEMBER, GAVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF THE CHARACTER BASED CODE.
AND TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION BUILDS ON THAT FOUNDATION WITH THE ACTUAL PROPOSED TEXT AND REGULATIONS THAT WILL GUIDE EACH OF THE SUB AREAS WITHIN THE CORRIDOR.
THE GOAL IS TO PRESENT SECTION DETAILS OF THE PROPOSED HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR TO THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION FOR DISCUSSION AND TO OBTAIN FEEDBACK FROM YOU.
TONIGHT, HALF WILL ALSO BE HOLDING A SERIES OF INFORMATIONAL MEETINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN THE CORRIDOR AREA OVER THE NEXT WEEK.
THOSE MEETINGS ARE TWO WEEKS, I GUESS IT'S OUT.
THOSE MEETINGS ARE SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 1ST, FEBRUARY 2ND, AND FEBRUARY 3RD.
AND THEY'RE MEANT TO BE AN OPPORTUNITY AS THEY RECEIVE NOTIFICATIONS OF THIS PROCESS TAKING PLACE TO BE ABLE TO COME AND ASK QUESTIONS AND GET THOSE ANSWERS DIRECTLY FROM THE FOLKS WHO HAVE CREATED THE, THE, THE CHARACTER CODE FOLLOWING THIS MEETING.
HALF WILL MAKE ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES IN THE DRAFT, UM, THAT THE COMMISSION HAS ASKED FOR, AND THE COMMISSION WILL BE ASKED TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON FEBRUARY 13TH WITH THE GOAL OF APPROVING THE NEW CODE AT THAT MEETING.
IT OBVIOUSLY COULD BE CONTINUED ON IF NECESSARY, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL THEN, IN TURN, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING ON MARCH 5TH TO ACT UPON YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS.
MATT BUCHIN IS HERE FROM HALF AN ASSOCIATES.
HE'S A NEW FACE TO Y'ALL, AND I'LL LET HIM SORT OF DO SOME INTRODUCTIONS ABOUT HIM AND THE TEAM.
UM, BUT I THINK THEY'VE GOT A WHOLE LOT OF INFORMATION TO CONVEY, AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO SHARING THAT WITH YOU TONIGHT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, WE ARE EXCITED TO BE PRESENTING
[00:05:01]
THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE TO YOU.UH, AS MATT WAS SAYING, WHEN YOU LAST SAW IT BACK IN NOVEMBER, IT WAS KIND, KIND OF PRESENTED IN VERY PRELIMINARY INFORMATION, HIGH LEVEL.
HERE'S SOME THINGS WE'RE GONNA COVER, UH, WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU NOW, WHAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET IS THE COMPLETE COVER TO COVER CODE, UH, LOOKING FOR INPUT FROM YOU AND AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS, TRYING TO GET TO COUNCIL CONSIDERATION ON MARCH 5TH.
SO WE'RE GONNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT CHARACTER BASED CODES.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH, NOT SECTION BY SECTION, BUT ALMOST SECTION BY SECTION IN THE CODE, PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER LEVEL OF INFORMATION FOR YOU.
UH, I WILL COVER THE PROCESS AT THE END AND THEN TALK ABOUT NEXT STEPS.
SO, AS MATT SAID, YOU'RE PROBABLY WONDERING WHO I AM.
UH, I WORK FOR HALF ASSOCIATES.
I'VE BEEN WITH THE COMPANY FOR NINE YEARS.
UH, MY ROLE WITH THE COMPANY IS OVERSEEING PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THE PLANNERS THAT WE HAVE AT HALF.
SO THAT'S ABOUT 30 PLUS PEOPLE THAT WORK ALL ACROSS THE SOUTH.
UH, AND AT HALF WE DO CODE WORK ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UH, IN MY 13 YEARS OF CONSULTING, I'VE ACTUALLY HAD A PERIOD OF MY CAREER, UH, WHERE ALL I DID WAS WRITE CODES, UH, IN VARIOUS PLACES OF THE COUNTRY.
UH, AND THEN BEFORE THAT, I HAD 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE ON THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
SO SITTING, UH, ACROSS THE TABLE FROM ALL THE LANDOWNERS, THE DEVELOPERS, THE BUILDERS, UH, ON THE CITY SIDE OR THE, OR IN MY CASE, IT WAS THE COUNTY SIDE, UH, OVER IN GEORGIA, WORKING THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION OF CODES AND UNDERSTANDING HOW CODES REALLY AFFECT THE BUILT IN NATURAL ENVIRONMENTS.
UH, WITH ME AS WELL BE SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT, IS BRAD JOHNSON.
HE'S ANOTHER ONE OF OUR STAFF.
UH, BRAD ALSO BRINGS, UH, WELL, HE BRINGS ABOUT 15 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, UH, PARTLY IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR, PARTLY IN THE CONSULTING.
UH, IN EVERY CASE, HE'S BEEN WORKING ON CODES, PARTICULARLY FORM-BASED CODES AND CHARACTER CODES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
UH, AND BEFORE COMING TO HALF, HE SPENT MANY YEARS WORKING FOR THE CITY OF DEEM, UH, CITY OF DENVER, UH, WORKING THROUGH THEIR CODE ENVIRONMENT, TWEAKING AND WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
SO MANY, MANY YEARS OF CODE EXPERIENCE.
I KNOW WE'RE NEW TO YOU TODAY.
UH, AND ALMOST EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE IN THIS CODE THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU BACK IN NOVEMBER WAS WRITTEN BY BRAD AND I.
SO WE'RE THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PRESENTING.
AND HERE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
UH, KAYLEE SABER, I KNOW YOU'VE MET BEFORE, UH, UH, HAS BEEN PART OF THE PROJECT SINCE DAY ONE.
UH, IF YOU KNOW HER, UH, FROM PREVIOUS PART OF THE PROJECT, SHE ACTUALLY JUST HAD HER BABY, UH, JUST SATURDAY.
UH, SO SHE'S STILL WITH US, BUT, UH, NOT, UH, NOT HERE TONIGHT, BUT WE'LL BE BACK IN FUTURE.
AND THEN I KNOW YOU'VE WORKED WITH MELANIE CLEVELAND, UH, AND ABEL VERDI, UH, ALL THOSE ARE STILL PART OF THE PROJECT.
LENNY HUGHES HAS BEEN PART OF THE PROJECT, UH, GOING BACK YEARS AND WORKING WITH MELANIE ON SOME OF THE OTHER STUFF, UH, THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD ON.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF A TEAM, AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE CHARACTER CODE.
AND I KNOW THIS WAS COVERED LAST TIME, BUT IT'S VERY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE TERMINOLOGY? A CHARACTER CODE, A FORM-BASED CODE? WE KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION BACK IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
YOU KNOW, REALLY, IT, IT'S SYNONYMOUS THE TWO THINGS TOGETHER.
A FORM-BASED CODE, A CHARACTER CODE IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF CODE ENVIRONMENT OR REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE ON THE GROUND TODAY.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE TODAY IN DESOTO, UH, IS WHAT WE WOULD CALL A EUCLIDEAN, UH, A CODE ENVIRONMENT, REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT, WHICH IS REALLY ABOUT FOCUSING ON THE PRIMARY FOCUS OF EUCLIDEAN IS, IS ON USES.
AND THEN THEY HAVE ADDITIONAL SPECIFICATIONS THAT DICTATE A LOT OF MINIMUM STANDARDS, SUCH AS WHAT'S THE MINIMUM SETBACK OFF OF A STREET, HOW HIGH COULD YOU GO, AND WHAT AMOUNT OF PARKING DO YOU NEED? NOW YOU'VE REALLY KIND OF HIT ON THE MAIN POINTS OF THE UCL AND CODE, RIGHT? EXCUSE ME.
CAN YOU REPEAT THE TYPE OF CODE YOU SAID THAT WE'RE SO, SO, YOUR, YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE TODAY IS LIKE MANY ZONING ORDINANCES ACROSS THE US.
IT'S CALLED A EUCLIDEAN ZONE ZONING FRAMEWORK.
UH, AND SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE SPECIFICATIONS, RIGHT? BUT ONCE YOU GET ON THE SITE, THERE'S NOT MUCH GUIDANCE ABOUT THE LOOK AND FEEL OF, OF THE ACTUAL BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
SO A FORM-BASED CODE OR A CHARACTER CODE REALLY TAKES THAT TO THE NEXT STEPS, RIGHT? AND IT STARTS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND AND MAKE, UH, CONNECTIONS BETWEEN THE PRIVATE BUILT ENVIRONMENT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE ASSOCIATION FOR HOW IT INTERSECTS WITH THE, WITH THE, WITH THE PUBLIC REALM.
IT DOES ALSO TALK ABOUT HEIGHT, BUT IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE SCALE AND MASSING OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT OR THE BUILDINGS ON THE PROPERTY, UH, AND THEN AS WELL AS WHERE THEY SHOULD BE ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IN A EUCLIDEAN FRAMEWORK, IT'S REALLY ABOUT WHERE OUR SETBACKS AND AFTER THAT, THEY DON'T REALLY CARE IN A, IN A FORM-BASED CODE OR A CHARACTER CODE.
IN MANY CASES, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHERE THOSE BUILDINGS SHOULD GO BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO CREATE A SPECIFIC CHARACTER,
[00:10:01]
UH, IN THIS AREA.AND SO, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT, AND IT COVERS ALL THIS STUFF FROM ACCESS AND PARKING AND THINGS OF THAT SORT AND SIGNAGE.
WE'RE GONNA COVER THAT ALL TODAY.
IT ALSO GETS INTO A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT, THAT, UH, EUCLIDEAN CODES DO NOT, UH, ABOUT HOW THE LANDSCAPING CREATES THE ACT.
IT DIVES INTO THE MIXTURE OF USES.
UH, IT DIVES INTO THE DETAILS OF FACADES AND WINDOW TREATMENTS AND THE VISUAL, UH, THE VISUAL INTERACTIONS BETWEEN THE PUBLIC REALM AND THE PRIVATE REALM, UH, BUILDING ARTICULATION.
SO IN A NORMAL CODE, IT WOULD SAY, HERE'S YOUR SETBACK IN A FORM-BASED CODE.
IT'S GONNA SAY, HERE'S THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO ACROSS YOUR BUILDING TO CREATE THAT ARTICULATION THAT DIFFERENCES IN, IN THE VISUAL APPEAL SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FLAT FACADE TREATMENTS THAT ARE JUST NOT ENGAGING.
UH, AND THEN LOCATION OF HOW YOU INTERACT WITH YOUR PARKING, WHICH IS DIFFERENT IN A FORM-BASED CODE, UH, VERSUS YOU WOULD IN A EUCLID ENVIRONMENT.
AND SO WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER, UH, FOR A CHUNK OF THIS TO BRAD.
JOHNSON'S GONNA WALK THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF THAT, AND NEAR THE END, WE'RE GONNA KIND OF GO BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN SOME OF THE SECTIONS.
GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, AND GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
SO THE, SORRY, THE FRAMEWORK, REALLY, WE'RE JUST GONNA WALK THROUGH, UH, WITH YOU THE KEY ELEMENTS OF THE CODE, UH, BY SAYING THAT.
SO THESE ARE THE FOUR MAJOR SECTIONS WE BOILED THEM DOWN TO, TO JUST FOR, UH, STARTING WITH APPLICA APPLICABILITY AND INTENT.
SO KIND OF INTRODUCING THINGS.
THE USE REGULATION CHAPTER IS VERY MUCH WHAT IT SAYS.
IT'S ABOUT LAND USES AND THE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES THAT CAN BE PERMITTED.
THE DISTRICT STANDARDS FOCUSES MORE ON THINGS LIKE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS, BUILDING HEIGHT, UH, LANDSCAPING, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
AND THEN ADMINISTRATION KIND OF TIES IT ALL TOGETHER.
HOW DOES THE STAFF ACTUALLY ADMINISTER, ADMINISTER THE CODE? UH, HOW ARE, UH, HOW IS COMPLIANCE MEASURED, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
SO IN THAT FIRST SECTION, SECTION ONE, WE HAVE APPLICABILITY INTENT.
AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE THERE IS SOME KIND OF HOUSEKEEPING LANGUAGE THAT, UH, UH, EXPLAINS HOW THIS DOCUMENT ITSELF SORT OF RELATES BACK TO THE EXISTING ZONING CODE.
UH, BUT THEN A KEY PART OF THIS IS ESTABLISHING THAT HIGH LEVEL INTENT FOR EACH ZONE ZONING DISTRICT.
AND SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE PAGES OF THAT SECTION WHERE THERE'S JUST A SHORT INTRODUCTION ABOUT WHAT IS TRYING TO BE ACHIEVED IN TERMS OF INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT.
THE TYPES OF LAND IS THE EXPERIENCE FOR A PEDESTRIAN, UH, TRAVELING ON A STREET, UH, WITHIN ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS.
AND SO THAT CHAPTER IS CRITICAL IN LAYING OUT THE INTENT THAT REALLY SERVES AS A BASELINE FOR THE MORE DETAILED STANDARDS THAT FOLLOW IN THE, IN THE SUBSEQUENT SECTIONS, THE REGULATING PLAN.
SO THIS IS A CRITICAL PIECE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CODE ITSELF.
UH, WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, UH, AT THE BASE LEVEL, THE KIND OF COLORED AREAS, UH, THAT REPRESENT EACH CHARACTER ZONE OR ZONE DISTRICT, THOSE ARE ZONING DISTRICTS.
THOSE WILL BE THE ACTUAL ZONING DISTRICT THAT APPLIES TO THE AREA.
SO JUST AS YOU HAVE IN YOUR BASE CODE, DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS FOR COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL AND SO ON, THOSE WILL BE THE ZONING DISTRICTS THAT APPLY TO THE AREAS WITHIN THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE AREA.
UH, ALSO ON THIS MAP, YOU WILL SEE, UH, LINE WORK THAT REPRESENTS PRIMARY STREETS, SECONDARY STREETS, UH, AND TERTIARY STREETS, BOTH EXISTING STREETS SHOWN WITH A SOLID LINE AND, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE STREETS SHOWN WITH A DASHED LINE.
UH, AND SO THOSE DESIGNATIONS ARE VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF, UH, THE CODE AND THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIGNED.
AND, AND REALLY ALL CHARACTER CODES DO THIS, IS THEY FUNCTION IN A WAY AS TO CREATE THE BEST OUTCOME ALONG PRIMARY STREETS IN TERMS OF URBAN DESIGN, STREET EDGE, CHARACTER, UH, ENGAGEMENT OF A PEDESTRIAN, UH, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED CHARACTER ALONG THE STREET AND SO ON.
AND SO, WHEN YOU SEE THOSE STREETS, A LOT OF TIMES WITHIN THE CODE, WHEN YOU'RE READING THE DETAILS OF THE REGULATIONS, YOU'LL SEE REFERENCES TO THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT ALONG A PRIMARY STREET EDGE, OR THIS IS THE REQUIREMENT ALONG A SECONDARY STREET.
AND SO THAT'S TYING BACK, UH, TO THIS MAP.
SO I'LL JUST QUICKLY WALK THROUGH THE FEW DISTRICTS.
SO URBAN CENTER, THERE ARE THREE SORT OF ELEMENTS OF URBAN CENTER ALONG THE CORRIDOR, AND THAT'S THE PURPLE AREA ON THE MAP.
AND THAT IS THE AREA THAT IS THE MOST INTENSE MIXED USE NODE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED HERE.
SO ALLOWING BUILDINGS UP TO FIVE STORIES AND HEIGHT ALLOWS THE TALLEST BUILDINGS.
IT REQUIRES THE MOST, UH, PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED DESIGN STANDARDS ALONG, UH, THE GROUND FLOORS OF BUILDINGS.
IT REQUIRES BUILDINGS TO BE THE CLOSEST AND MORE, MOST PROMINENT ALONG STREETS.
AGAIN, PROVIDING A MORE, UH, ENCLOSED AND, UH, SENSE OF COMFORT FOR A PEDESTRIAN THAT MIGHT BE WALKING ALONG A STREET IN A, IN A DISTRICT, IN AN URBAN CENTER
[00:15:01]
DISTRICT.AND THE BUILDING TYPES AND LAND USES ARE REALLY A, A WIDE MIX OF USES FOCUSING ON APARTMENTS, VERTICAL MIXED USE BUILDINGS WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE, UH, RETAIL USES, FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND APARTMENTS ABOVE, UH, AS WELL AS OFFICES AND OTHER INTENSIVE USES, UH, OF THAT CHARACTER.
THE URBAN GENERAL IS VERY SIMILAR, UH, TO URBAN CENTER IN MANY WAYS.
SO A LOT OF THE SAME TYPES OF USES THAT ARE BEING TARGETED, UH, SIMILAR TYPES OF REQUIREMENTS EXCEPT THE SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT COMES DOWN A COUPLE STORIES.
NOTE THAT THAT BULLET IN THE MIDDLE THERE ONLY UP TO THREE STORIES, UH, IN HEIGHTS.
SO THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT STEP DOWN FROM THE FIVE STORY ALLOWANCE IN THE URBAN CENTER.
MANY OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS ARE SIMILAR.
UH, THE REGULATIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR, A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF SOME OF THE DESIGN ORIENTED REQUIREMENTS, BUT JUST, JUST KIND OF RATCHETED IT DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT.
NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ARE USUALLY ON, ON, UH, LIKE BELT, BELT LINE AND, UH, PLEASANT RUN.
THESE ARE SORT OF MORE OF THE, UH, TO THE EXTERIOR OR THE PERIPHERY OF THE HAMPTON CHARACTER CODE AREA.
UH, THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT ARE GOING, GOING TO CONTINUE TO FUNCTION MOST, UH, LIKE TRADITIONAL KIND OF AUTO ORIENTED CORRIDOR USES.
AND SO STILL ELEVATING THE DESIGN OF THOSE USES.
SO MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE LANDSCAPING IN PLACE ALONG PARKING EDGES THAT BUILDINGS, UH, PROVIDE ENTRANCES THAT FACE THE STREET, BUT BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE WITH WHERE PARKING IS ALLOWED, FOR EXAMPLE, SURFACE PARKING LOTS.
UH, AND YOU'LL NOTICE AGAIN HERE, A STEP DOWN IN SCALE TO ALLOWING ONLY, UH, UP TO TWO STORIES, A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY AS WELL IN TERMS OF THE LAND USES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, REGARDING THAT.
YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE, UH, COULD YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE? SURE.
I THINK YOU NEVER HEARD SERVICES.
THEY'RE GONNA EXTEND TO EAST AND WEST ON PLEASANT RUN AS WELL AS BELTLINE.
UM, IF I CAN GO BACK TO THE, LEMME GO BACK TO THE MAP, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
YEAH, SO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ARE THAT KIND OF TEAL.
I MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT COLORBLIND, KIND OF AUSH COLOR THERE.
UH, SO YOU SEE IT THERE ALONG BELTLINE, UM, OFF TO THE EAST AND A LITTLE SPLASH OF IT TO THE WEST OF HAMPTON DOWN THERE AT THE EDGE OF THE AREA.
YOU SEE IT AT THE VERY SOUTHERN END OF THE K DAKOTA AREA, SOUTH OF BELTLINE ROAD, ACTUALLY.
AND THEN YOU SEE A FEW, UH, INSTANCES OF IT UP TO THE NORTH AT THE, AT THE VERY END OF HAMPTON ROAD.
UH, WELL NOT THE END OF THE ROAD, BUT THE END OF THE AREA OF COVERAGE HERE, AND THEN OFF TO THE EAST END OF PLEASANT RUN AS WELL.
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN ANSWER THIS.
IT MAY BE A QUESTION FOR MR. BREWER.
UM, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY SPOKE OF THE BELTLINE CORRIDOR.
IS THERE THERE GOING TO BE A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE BELTLINE CORRIDOR, WHICH I THINK GOES TO THE WEST OF HAMPTON, AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT ALSO GOES TO THE EAST? NO.
I BELIEVE ONE OF THE TASKS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT IS, UH, TO DO SOME COMPARISON, WHAT COMES OUT OF THIS STUDY AND LOOK AT GETTING ON SOME OTHER MAJOR ARTERIAL ROADS ALSO.
SO IT COULD BE A MODEL IN THAT WAY, UH, POTENTIALLY.
SO THE URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S THE AREA.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MAP, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A TANISH GOLDISH COLOR.
UM, THAT'S AN AREA THAT IS, UH, PREDOMINANTLY, UH, TARGETED FOR HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL USES.
UH, SO THINK APARTMENTS, CONDOS, LARGER TOWNHOUSES, KIND OF ON THE LOWER END OF THAT SCALE, UM, DOES ALLOW FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, UH, AS WELL.
BUT, UH, THE PRIMARY TARGET THERE IS, IS, UH, MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL STILL REQUIREMENTS FOR URBAN FORM AND DESIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE EDGES OF DEVELOPMENT ARE VERY WALKABLE.
BUT I'LL JUST FLIP BACK A MOMENT THERE, ALLOWING A LITTLE BIT MORE OPEN SPACE, A LITTLE BIT MORE GREENERY, UM, UH, AS IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR MORE OF A RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER DISTRICT.
AND THEN THE LAST SECTION IS, OR THE LAST DISTRICT IS NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITIONAL.
AND A BIG, UH, ROLE OF THAT DISTRICT IS TO PROVIDE A SENSITIVE TRANSITION FROM THESE MORE URBAN, MORE TENSE DISTRICTS TO THE RESIDENTIAL, UH, SINGLE FAMILY AND TWO FAMILY DISTRICTS THAT, THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THIS AREA, BUT FLANK THIS AREA OR A BUDDING THIS AREA.
AND SO THIS IS TARGETED AT LOWER SCALE RESIDENTIAL IN TERMS OF, UH, WELL, RELATIVE TO THE AREA AS A WHOLE.
AND SO AT THE TOP END, TALKING ABOUT NINE OR 10 TOWN HOMES, THAT WOULD BE LIKE THE MOST INTENSE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SINGLE UNIT DEVELOPMENT, LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY TRADITIONAL HOME, UH, WOULD
[00:20:01]
BE ALLOWED STILL THOUGH, UM, MORE INTENSIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR DESIGN AND WALKABLE CHARACTER REQUIREMENT OF A CONNECTION VISUALLY AND PHYSICALLY, UH, BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT IN THE STREET TO KIND OF CREATE A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED STREET ENVIRONMENT, UH, AND ESTABLISH THAT RELATIONSHIP THAT MAKES NEIGHBORHOODS JUST MORE WALKABLE AND MORE VISUALLY INTERESTING.SO MOVING ON TO SECTION TWO, THAT'S THE USE REGULATIONS.
AND SO THIS WILL PROBABLY LOOK SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR SOME OF THE THINGS YOU SEE IN THIS, UH, SECTION.
SO THIS IS THE, THE SECTION THAT DICTATES WHAT USES ARE ALLOWED, WHICH AREN'T ALLOWED, WHICH REQUIRE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, UM, UH, AND WHICH ARE PROHIBITED.
SO YOU'LL SEE USE TABLES LIKE THIS, UH, IN THE DOCUMENT.
THIS IS A NEW SET OF USES, DIFFERENT, UH, THAN WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR CODE TODAY.
IT'S A MUCH MORE STREAMLINED LIST OF USES.
UH, THEY'RE ALSO, I'LL TALK IN A MINUTE.
THEY'RE ALL DEFINED IN THE CODE AS WELL.
SO THERE'S A DEFINITION THAT GOES ALONG WITH EVERY ONE OF THESE, BUT YOU'LL SEE SIMILAR TO THE CODE THAT YOU HAVE TODAY FOR EACH DISTRICT UP AT THE TOP.
SO THOSE ARE ALL THOSE DISTRICTS I TALKED ABOUT.
IS THE USE ALLOWED, DICTATED BY, OR INDICATED BY AN X? UH, DOES THE USE, IS THE USE ALLOWED, BUT IT REQUIRES A SPECIAL EXCEPTION REVIEW INDICATED BY AN S OR IS IT PROHIBITED? MEANING THERE'S NOTHING IN THE COLUMN AT ALL.
AND THEN EVERY TIME YOU SEE AN ASTERISK, LIKE YOU SEE AT A FEW FEW OF THESE IN THIS TABLE AS AN EXAMPLE, UH, THAT MEANS THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, UH, IT MIGHT SAY, LET ME THINK OF A GOOD EXAMPLE.
IT MIGHT SAY YOU CAN DO A GENERAL FOOD AND BEVERAGE, UH, UH, USE.
UM, BUT IT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A DUMPSTER AND ENCLOSURE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT HAS TO BE SCREENED.
AND SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS THAT MIGHT BE, UH, IN THE LATER SECTION OF SECTION TWO THAT JUST WERE TOO WORDY TO FIT IN THE TABLE.
SO THIS, THESE TABLES WORK VERY MUCH IN CONJUNCTION WITH, UH, LATER SECTION SECTIONS IN THIS CHAPTER.
UH, THE USE, UH, REGULATION SECTION.
LET'S TALK ABOUT NEXT IS THE DEFINITION.
SO EACH ONE OF THOSE LAND USES THAT WE SHOW IN THE TABLES HAS A CLEAR AND, UH, DIRECT DEFINITION IN THE BACK, UH, TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHEN SOMETHING COMES THROUGH, WHAT USE CATEGORY IT SHOULD FALL IN.
UH, THE USE STANDARDS IS WHAT I JUST MENTIONED, THOSE.
SO THOSE MIGHT BE SPECIAL LIMITATIONS OR REQUIREMENTS FOR A CERTAIN USE, OR SOMETIMES JUST FOR A CERTAIN USE IN A CERTAIN DISTRICT.
SO THOSE ARE SPELLED OUT, UH, IN THAT SECTION.
UH, SECTION TWO ALSO ADDRESSES ACCESSORY USES AND STRUCTURES LIKE AN A DU OR A SHED OR OTHER TYPES OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES LIKE THAT, UH, AS WELL AS TEMPORARY USES.
SO IF YOU WANTED TO TEMPORARILY USE YOUR SITE FOR, UH, AN EVENT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU WOULD GO TO THAT SECTION ON TEMPORARY USES TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS WERE.
SO MOVING ON TO SECTION THREE, WHICH IS THE DISTRICT STANDARDS.
SO I MENTIONED AN OVERVIEW FOR EACH, UH, ZONING DISTRICT, AND SO THEY'RE ALL ORGANIZED IN THAT WAY.
AND YOU'LL SEE A SET OF THREE PAGES LIKE THIS FOR EACH DISTRICT, AND THEY ADDRESS THREE DIFFERENT THINGS.
FIRST SITE DESIGN, SO LOOKING AT THE ARRANGEMENT OF THINGS ON A SITE, REQUIREMENTS FOR WHERE PARKING GOES, WHERE THE BUILDINGS SHOULD BE PLACED, UH, AND, AND HOW THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS ON A SITE, UH, RELATE TO ONE ANOTHER.
WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING OUT THE SITE, YOU CAN GO THERE AND GET MOST OF THAT INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED, UH, WHEREAS PARKING RELATIVE TO THE STREET, DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT, THE BUILDING FORM TABLES.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE STARTS TO FOCUS ON THE MORE THREE DIMENSIONAL ELEMENTS OF THE BUILDING, THE VOLUME ELEMENTS.
SO HOW TALL CAN THE BUILDING BE? HOW MANY STORIES CAN IT BE, OR HOW TALL CAN IT BE IN FEET? UM, OTHER ELEMENTS LIKE THAT THAT YOU NEED TO KNOW TO KIND OF DEVELOP, UH, THE VOLUME AND MASS OF A BUILDING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE.
AND THEN THIS, THE NEXT LEVEL DOWN IS CALLED STREET LEVEL AND WALL DESIGN.
AND SO THAT'S GETTING INTO JUST ONE MORE LEVEL OF DETAIL AND STARTS TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE UP THE FACADE OR A WALL OF A BUILDING, WHERE ARE ENTRIES REQUIRED AND HOW OFTEN SHOULD THEY BE SPACED? UH, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR WINDOWS ON THE GROUND FLOOR OF A BUILDING IN TERMS OF A PERCENTAGE OF THE GROUND FLOOR FACADE? THAT MUST BE TRANSPARENT WINDOWS.
SO THOSE ARE EXAMPLES OF REGULATIONS THAT WILL SHOW UP IN THAT THIRD SECTION OF STREET LEVEL, UH, AND WALL DESIGN.
AND THEN LAST, BEFORE I PASS IT OVER TO MATT, UM, MOVING INTO A SECTION THAT'S CALLED THE SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS.
SO THE SECTION I JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT FOCUSES ON SITE DESIGN,
[00:25:01]
BUILDING FORM, AND, UH, AND WALL DESIGN.THAT SHOULD GIVE YOU THE MAJORITY OF WHAT YOU NEED TO PLAN OUT THE BIG PICTURE OF YOUR PROJECT.
HOW MUCH BUILDING CAN I GET, HOW TALL CAN MY BUILDING BE? WHERE DOES IT NEED TO BE CITED? AND SO ON.
THE SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS BREAK DOWN INTO, UH, MORE DETAILED ELEMENTS THAT ALSO WILL EVENTUALLY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.
UH, THOSE RELATE TO STREET DESIGN TO, UM, UH, VEHICLE ACCESS, LANDSCAPING, SIGNAGE, OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT THAT COME UP WHEN YOU DO A DEVELOPMENT.
SO THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU'VE GOT ON THE SCREEN HERE RIGHT NOW IS RELATED TO PUBLIC STREET DESIGN.
AND SO FOR EACH DISTRICT AND FOR PRIMARY STREETS, SECONDARY STREETS AND TERTIARY STREETS, UH, THERE ARE TABLES LIKE THIS IN THERE THAT BREAK DOWN.
WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS FOR A STREET SCAPE? LIKE HOW WIDE DOES THE SIDEWALK NEED TO BE? HOW WIDE CAN AN AMENITY ZONE BE? WHAT CAN THE CHARACT, WHAT ARE THE ALLOWABLE CHARACTER, UH, FOR AN AMENITY ZONE? WHAT ARE THE LANE WIDTH REQUIREMENTS, OTHER THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
OKAY, NOW I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK TO MATT AND I'LL SEE Y'ALL JUST IN A MINUTE THOUGH.
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GONNA DIVE INTO THE NEXT SET OF SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS.
UH, AS MATT WAS MENTIONING AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS AS THIS EVENING, AS YOU'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE, THE PLAN THAT WAS DONE, UH, A YEAR OR TWO AGO, UH, THIS HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR, AND THE CODE THAT THAT IS BEING DELIVERED TONIGHT IS INTENDED TO CREATE AN AREA OF DESOTO THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU HAVE ELSEWHERE.
IT'S KIND OF THAT ONE NEW OP, NOT NEW OPPORTUNITY, THAT ONE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO, TO CREATE AN ENVIRONMENT THAT IS, UH, MORE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED, UH, MORE, UH, WALKABLE, UH, HIGHER QUALITY THAN WHAT HAS BEEN REQUIRED BY YOUR, YOUR, YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE FOR, FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS AND BEYOND.
SO IN ORDER TO GET THERE, YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF STIPULATIONS, A LOT OF PROVISIONS, UH, AND EACH ONE OF THOSE IS INTENDED TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN OBJECTIVE.
SO THIS SECTION HERE, THIS VEHICLE ACCESS AND DRIVEWAYS IS BUILDING UPON A COUPLE THINGS.
ONE IS SEPARATELY THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH, AS YOU KNOW, LIKE A RECONFIGURATION OF HAMPTON ROAD.
AND AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, THEY'LL BE GOING FROM FIVE LANES TO THREE LANES.
THEY'LL BE REORIENT, REORIENTING THE PUBLIC REALM WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING ACCESS THAT'S THERE TODAY, THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT ACCESS REDUCTION.
UH, BUT NOW ONCE WE DO THAT PROPERTY, HOW DO WE ALLOW, HOW DO WE FACILITATE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO REDEVELOP TO THE NEW STANDARDS, RIGHT? AND THAT'S HOW THIS IS ALL GONNA WORK TOGETHER.
THE CITY PUTS IN THE EFFORT TO DO A CATALYST PROJECT THAT'S THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CORRIDOR ITSELF, THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PUBLIC REALM, AND SETS THE STANDARDS FOR THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER TO COME IN.
IT PROVIDES A LOT MORE THAT THEY CAN DO THAN THEY CAN DO TODAY.
SO THE ALLOWANCES THAT ARE FED INTO THIS REGULATION ALLOW A MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENT THAN WHAT'S ON THE GROUND TODAY.
SO THERE'S A INCENTIVE FOR THE PRIVATE DEVELOPER, FOR THE PRIVATE LANDOWNER TO WANT TO COME IN AND DO THESE THINGS, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO THAT, WE ARE SETTING THE ENVIRONMENT SO THAT IT HAPPENS AND CREATES THE, THE INTENDED ENVIRONMENT WE WANT MOVING FORWARD.
SO ONE OF THOSE IS VEHICLE ACCESS, RIGHT? SO ON THE PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT SIDE, THE STANDARDS SAY THE, WHEN YOU'RE GONNA GO TO REDEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING REDEVELOP SOMETHING, YOUR FIRST POINT OF ACCESS NEEDS TO BE ON AN ALLEY OR A TERTIARY STREET.
AND ONLY IF YOU CAN ONLY, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT OR YOU CAN'T PUT THAT IN, THEN YOUR ACCESS NEEDS TO COME FROM A SECONDARY STREET, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT, THE MAIN THING WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT OF THAT HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR.
AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, UH, THE AVAIL ABILITY TO DO SOMETHING ON A SECONDARY STREET, THEN AND ONLY THEN DOES IT PUSH IT TO THE, THE PRIMARY STREET.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE A HIERARCHY OF ACCESS REQUIREMENTS THAT IT ALL HAS ALLOWANCES, BUT IT'S PUSHING YOU WHEN YOUR REDEVELOPMENT TO, TO FIT WITHIN THAT MOLD.
AND THEN WITHIN THE, ACTUALLY, ONCE YOU GET THAT ACCESS, THAT ALSO STIPULATES YOUR, YOUR DRIVEWAY SPACING.
I MEAN, YOU'VE ALL DRIVEN THROUGH MANY PARTS OF THE CITY AND DESOTO AND OTHER AREAS WHERE THE, THE, THERE WASN'T REQUIREMENTS, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THE ENTIRE FRONTAGE IS LIKE THE DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, OR IT'S LIKE A 50 FOOT SWATH.
AND THEN THEN LITTLE CORNERS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE MANAGE THAT ACCESS TO PROTECT THE WALKABILITY.
SO THAT'S WHAT THIS SECTION DOES.
AND THEN WHEN YOU DO HAVE ACCESS, WHAT DO THE DRIVEWAY SPACING LOOK LIKE? ALRIGHT, SO WE GET TO THE, UH, WE NOW HAVE FIGURED OUT THE ACCESS, AND NOW WE'RE ON SITE, RIGHT?
[00:30:01]
SO NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PARKING BECAUSE IN EVERYWHERE, UH, IN THE WORLD, UH, THAT THE FORM AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT OF OUR, OF OUR CITIES, PARKING IS ALWAYS THE BIGGEST CONSIDERATION IN THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR, ONE OF THE PRIMARY IN SENSES TO CREATE MORE OF THIS WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'RE AUTOMATICALLY COMING TO THE TABLE WITH MORE RESTRICTIVE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
WE DON'T WANT THE SAME AMOUNT OF PARKING THAT'S EMPTY LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN CITIES.
AND MOST OF THE OTHER CITIES OUT THERE, WE'RE REDUCING THE REQUIRED AMOUNT, RIGHT? AND THEN WE'RE ALSO, IN SOME CASES, ADDING PARKING MAXIMUMS TO SAY, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO OVER PARK EVEN IF YOU WANT TO, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE, AND YOU LOOK AT THE PARKING TABLES, THOSE PARKING TABLES ARE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE USES THAT ARE IN THE USE TABLES.
SO THERE'S THAT ONE-TO-ONE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT THE USE IS AND WHAT THE PARKING IS.
WE HAVE THE MINIMUMS, WE HAVE THE MAXIMUMS, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE A BUNCH OF PROVISIONS THAT SAY, THERE'S ALSO SOME ALTERNATIVES TOO.
IF YOU DO X, Y, AND Z, LIKE YOU CAN DO, UH, THERE'S SHARED PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S, UH, RES UH, PROVISIONS FOR OFF STREET PARKING THAT TO MEET YOUR PARKING.
UH, THERE'S PROVISIONS FOR THE DEVELOPER TO HAVE REDUCTION IN PARKING SPACES IF THE STANDARDS OUT THERE, UH, SUPPORTED.
UH, THERE'S PROVISIONS IN HERE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU'RE WORKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY AND IMPROVING, UH, THE STREET, THERE'S OPTIONS FOR ON-STREET PARKING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY, CITY RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, AND THEN THERE'LL BE, WHICH IS NOT IN HERE, BUT YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT VERSION, UH, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, UH, PUBLIC PARKING, UH, STRUCTURES AS WELL AS, AND HERE'S ALSO THE ALTERNATIVE PARKING, UH, ARRANGEMENT AS WELL, THAT IF, UH, IF YOU COME IN WITH DIFFERENT STANDARDS, YOU CAN, UH, UH, YOU CAN GET ALLOWANCES THROUGH HERE.
SO KIND OF, THAT'S OUR OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
ONCE WE'VE GOT ACCESS, WE'VE GOT PARKING, UH, WE'RE THINKING OF COURSE SAFETY, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIGHTING.
SO IN THIS, UH, IN THIS CODE, UH, IS A NEW LIGHTING, UH, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, UH, SECTION.
OBVIOUSLY IT COVERS YOUR PERMITTED LIGHTING, UH, YOUR PROHIBITED LIGHTING, UH, AS WELL AS YOUR EXEMPT LIGHTING.
BUT THEN DIVES INTO, UH, MORE OF THE LIGHTING DESIGN REQUIRING FULL CUTOFF FIXTURES, TRYING TO MINIMIZE, UH, THE AMOUNT OF LIGHT TRESPASS THAT GOES UP INTO THE ENVIRONMENT, UH, AS WELL AS THE LIGHT TRESPASS THAT MOVES ACROSS PROPERTY LINES.
SO A COUPLE PAGES ON THAT IN THE CODE.
I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT ON, I THINK IT WAS SECTION TWO, THE PARKING.
I WAS, AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED A MINIMUM AMOUNT AS WELL AS YOU DON'T WANT TO, I THINK YOU SAID MAXIMIZE OR HAVE TO TOO MUCH PARKING.
AND I, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT, SO THAT YOU CAN HAVE MORE RETAIL OR HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WHAT TYPE OF CONSIDERATIONS HAVE GONE INTO PROTECTING SPILL OVER INTO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MAY BE CLOSELY, UH, ASSOCIATED, YOU KNOW, CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE HAMPTON ROAD BOARD? I'LL SAY THERE'S NOTHING IN THE CODE, BUT I'LL SAY THAT IN MOST CASES, WE OVER PARK EVERYTHING.
AND THAT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE REDEVELOPMENT IN THE CORRIDOR, UH, WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE CITY ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR HAVING CERTAIN, UH, PUBLICLY, UH, PARKING AREAS LOCATED THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR SO THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING SURE THAT, SO WE HAVE THOSE, THOSE, THOSE SPACES, THOSE ACCESS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO THOUGH, IS MINIMIZE THE PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH EVERY DEVELOPMENT, EVERY USE, YOU KNOW, SO RIGHT NOW IN, IN MOST BUILDING ORDINANCES, YOU COME IN AND YOU HAVE A PARKING, PRETTY MUCH A PARKING, UH, UH, REQUIREMENT PER USE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS BUILDING GO IN AND IT'S GOT, IT'S OVER PARKED, AND THEN RIGHT NEXT TO IT, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS AND IT'S OVER PARKED.
AND THERE'S NOT REALLY A LOT OF REQUIREMENT FOR THE SHARED PARKING THAT ONLY THIS IS PRE-THINKING, THOSE SHARED ENVIRONMENTS.
UH, SO THAT, AND, AND TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE THOSE SHARED ENVIRONMENTS SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVER PARKING.
THE MAXIMUM PARKING IS, UH, TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT, UH, THERE, THERE'S CERTAIN, CERTAIN ENTITIES THAT COME IN WHERE, UH, MOST CODES TALK ABOUT MINIMUMS AND SOME THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S TRADITIONALLY JUST THE MINIMUM, RIGHT? BUT THEY'LL COME IN AND BE LIKE, OH, WELL, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA ORIENT OUR PARKING TO SERVE JUST THE BLACK FRIDAY CLOUD ONE DAY A YEAR WHEN THE OTHER 360 PLUS DAYS A YEAR, A LOT OF THAT PARKING IS EMPTY.
UH, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO SET THE STANDARD FOR TRYING TO RIGHT-SIZE THE PARKING FOR WHAT IS TRADITIONALLY NEEDED ON A DAILY BASIS TO SERVE THE USES.
DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? ALRIGHT, SO THEN WE HAVE ACCESS, WE HAVE PARKING, WE'VE LIT THAT PARKING AREA IN OTHER AREAS.
[00:35:01]
WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CREATING THESE, UH, THESE AREAS, THESE NEW AREAS IN DESOTO THAT ARE DEVOID OF, UH, LANDSCAPING AND LOOK AND FEEL AND, AND THE QUALITY OF CHARACTER.SO THE LANDSCAPING, THAT REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON TWO THINGS.
UH, ONE IS, UH, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS FOR AROUND BUILDINGS.
AND THOSE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS, THOSE BUILDING FOUNDATION REQUIREMENTS, UH, ONLY APPLY TO CERTAIN DISTRICTS.
SO IN OUR URBAN AREAS, LIKE OUR URBAN CHARACTER DISTRICT, OUR URBAN GENERAL DISTRICT, WHERE THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT IS BUILDING, UH, THE BUILDINGS UP TO THE, THE PUBLIC REALM OR THE STREET RIGHT UP TO THE, THE SIDEWALKS, WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE HAVE, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING STRIPS ALL OVER THERE.
UH, WE WANT THAT TO BE A MORE OF AN URBAN CHARACTER MAIN STREET ENVIRONMENT.
SO BUILDING FOUNDATION LANDSCAPING IS MORE ORIENTED TO THOSE DISTRICTS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTO ORIENTED, LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES SECTION AND SOME OF THE NON-RESIDENT USE RESIDENTIAL USES IN LIKE THE, UH, URBAN RESIDENTIAL THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UH, BUT THEN ONCE YOU GET OUTTA THE BUILDING FOUNDATION LANDSCAPING, THEN WE'RE MOVING INTO PARKING LOTS.
UH, AND THE SPECIFICATIONS ARE TYING LANDSCAPING TO, UH, OUR CORNER ISLANDS, UH, OUR, OUR CENTRAL ISLANDS, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, GIVING A MAXIMUM SPACING OF NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL PICTURE LIKE A BIG BOX STORE WHERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, 50 SPACES IN A ROW AND NO, NO LANDSCAPING.
THIS SAYS ONCE YOU HIT X AMOUNT OF SPACES, YOU HAVE TO PUT AN ISLAND, UH, OUR END CAP ISLANDS TO PARKING SPACES, AS WELL AS PERIMETER SCREENING AROUND THE PARKING AREAS.
IN THE SECOND SECTION OF THIS, WHICH I DON'T THINK I HAVE A SLIDE, NO, BUT THERE'S, OKAY.
THE, UH, AND THEN MOVES INTO LANDSCAPING FROM THE, FROM THE STANDPOINT OF TRANSITIONS AND SCREENING.
SO THERE'S A TABLE IN HERE THAT HAS DIFFERENT SCREENING, UH, INTENSITIES.
UH, THOSE ARE LAYING OUT FOUR TYPES, A BEING THE LEAST AMOUNT OF SCREENING D MEANING, UH, A GREATER AMOUNT OF SCREENING.
AND THERE'S DISTRICT AGAINST DISTRICT SCREEN MINIMUM SCREENING REQUIREMENTS.
THERE'S ALSO PARTICULAR USE SCREENING REQUIREMENTS, SUCH AS IF YOU DO HAVE A PARKING AREA THAT HAS ACCESS TO A PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, WE DON'T WANT THAT PARKING AREA TO BE NOT A SINGLE THING BETWEEN THE, THE FRONT OF THOSE CARS OR TRUCKS AND THE PUBLIC REALM.
SO THERE'S A USE SCREENING REQUIREMENT SAYING THAT YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY ADD A EITHER SOME KIND OF WALL OR SHRUBBERY THAT GOES UP TO THREE FEET TO, TO OFFSET AND BREAK UP THAT ENVIRONMENT.
UH, SO THOSE ARE THE DISTRICT STREET REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'LL SEE.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, UH, IN ANY PARTS OF OUR CITY, THERE ARE A, THERE IS A NEED TO HAVE SOME DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN PUBLIC SPACE, PRIVATE SPACE.
UH, WE TYPICALLY HANDLE THAT THROUGH FENCES AND WALL REQUIREMENTS.
SO IN HERE WE'VE STIPULATED, UH, NOT ONLY WERE THE LOCATION OF APPROPRIATE FENCES AND WALLS, UH, WHERE THEY'RE ALLOWED, WHAT THOSE SETBACKS ARE, BUT ALSO THE, THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, UH, SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TWO HALL, UH, TWO HIGH FENCES AND WALLS IN VARIOUS PLACES, UH, AND LONG STRIPS OF THAT.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE, UH, HUGE CORRIDORS THAT ARE JUST WALLED OFF.
AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA SEE A, A BIG SECTION, UH, IF YOU'VE HAD CHANCE TO, TO WALK THROUGH THIS, AND THIS IS YOUR, YOUR SIGN REQUIREMENTS, UH, SIGN REGULATIONS ARE, ARE OF COURSE, VERY IMPORTANT TO, UH, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF A CORRIDOR.
YOU CAN HAVE QUALITY LANDSCAPING, YOU CAN HAVE QUALITY BUILDING MATERIALS, YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE BEST FORM AND, AND, AND LOCATION OF BUILDINGS ACROSS THE SITE, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE STRONG SIGNAGE REQUIREMENTS, SIGN CLUTTER CAN TOTALLY DETRACT FROM EVERY OTHER THING THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE ON THE, ON THE CORRIDOR.
SO YOU HAVE A PRETTY INTENSE SIGN SECTION BUILT WITHIN THE HAMPTON, UH, HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE.
IT HAS REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIGN TYPES THAT ARE ALLOWED PER DISTRICT.
UH, IT HAS A PRETTY ROBUST SECTION ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF ALLOWED SIGNS, PROHIBITED SIGNS, EXEMPT SIGNS, UH, AND THEN IT HAS ALL THE OTHER ADMINISTRATIVE STUFF THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN A SIGN CODE.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE, THE PERMITTING PROCESS, HOW DO I HANDLE MAINTENANCE, UH, UH, UH, THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UH, BUT THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE CERTAIN ALLOWANCES FOR TEMPORARY SCIENCE TOO.
I MEAN, WE WANNA REDUCE THAT, AND THERE ARE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS HERE, UH, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE NO ALLOWANCES.
SO THOSE ALLOWANCES HAVE BEEN FED INTO THIS, UH, IT'S A PRETTY ROBUST SECTION.
UH, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, PER DISTRICT.
SO ONCE, YOU KNOW, JUST EVEN NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT THE, THE TONS AND TONS OF PAGES OF TEXT, WHICH IS REQUIRED, EACH OF THE ACTUAL SIGN REQUIREMENTS, SIGN TYPE REQUIREMENTS HAVE METRIC STANDARDS ON
[00:40:01]
THE PROPERTY.SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE ALLOWED SEVEN WALL SIGNS AND THREE, UH, THREE WINDOW SIGNS.
EACH ONE OF THOSE HAS A MINIMUM SPECIFICATION, AND THEN IT'S ALSO CUMULATIVE TO THE OTHER TYPES OF SIGNS THAT ARE ON THERE.
SO IT'S A VERY RESTRICTIVE ENVIRONMENT INTENDED TO CREATE THE RIGHT, RIGHT REGULATORY FRAMEWORK FOR A QUALITY CORRIDOR, BUT ALLOWING PRIVATE PROPERTY TO ADVERTISE THEIR PROPERTIES.
UH, BUT IT'S, IT IS A LONG SECTION.
UH, AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA TURN IT BACK OVER TO BRAD TO DIVE INTO SOME OF THE FACADE AND ARTICULATION STANDARDS.
I'LL SEE IF, SEE IF I CAN TAKE US HOME HERE.
SO THIS SECTION, UH, IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL SECTION IS ABOUT BUILDING ARTICULATION.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN CASES IN SOME OF THESE DISTRICTS, FIVE STORY BUILDINGS, FOUR STORY BUILDINGS, AND SO ON.
IF YOU BUILD A FOUR STORY BUILDING OR FIVE STORY BUILDING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED OR PLUS FEET LONG, AND IT IS A VERY BLANK WALL, UM, WITH NO, UH, DETAILING, NO CHANGE IN COLOR OR DIFFERENTIATION IN MATERIAL, THAT CAN BECOME A VERY MONOTONOUS EXPERIENCE AND FRANKLY, A PRETTY UNPLEASANT EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF WALKING NEXT TO A BUILDING LIKE THAT.
AND SO WHAT THIS SECTION DOES IS IT CREATES A MENU OF OPTIONS, UH, THAT INCLUDE FACADE ARTICULATION OPTIONS, SUCH AS CHANGING THE COLOR OF THE FACADE EVERY X HUNDRED FEET OR X 50 FEET, UM, CHANGING THE MATERIAL ALONG THE FRONTAGE OF THE BUILDING OR PUSHING, UM, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING IN AND OUT WITH VERTICAL WALL OFFSETS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT START TO BREAK DOWN A BIG BUILDING INTO SMALLER COMPONENTS, UH, THAT MAKE IT MUCH MORE PLEASING TO BE AROUND AND MUCH MORE EASY TO EXPERIENCE AS A PEDESTRIAN.
AND SO THIS SETS UP FOR LARGER BUILDINGS ONLY.
SO IF YOU DO A SMALL BUILDING THAT'S ONLY 40 FEET WIDE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, YOU MIGHT NOT HAVE TO, UH, TO ABIDE BY THESE RULES.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO A LARGER BUILDING, YOU HAVE TO MIX AND MATCH, UH, SOME OF THESE FACADE ARTICULATION OR, AND OR MASS VARIATION TECHNIQUES.
AND THE NUMBER OF THEM THAT YOU HAVE TO DO OR INCORPORATE INTO YOUR PROJECT DEPENDS ON HOW LONG YOUR BUILDING IS.
SO A 300 FOOT LONG OR A 200 FOOT LONG BUILDING WOULD HAVE MORE INTENSIVE REQUIREMENTS FOR USING THESE METHODS THAN, SAY, A HUNDRED FOOT WIDE, UH, A HUNDRED FOOT LONG BUILDING.
UH, WE ALSO HEARD, UH, IN, IN THE PAST DISCUSSIONS THAT THE COLOR OF BUILDINGS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING TO ADDRESS IN THE CODE.
AND SO, UM, THIS, UH, COLOR PALETTE, I THINK WAS DISCUSSED, UH, UH, WITH YOU PREVIOUSLY AND WITH THE COMMUNITY AND OTHERS.
UH, AND SO WE INCORPORATED THIS COLOR PALETTE INTO THE CODE AS A STARTING POINT FOR REQUIREMENT FOR CLADDING.
SO, YOU KNOW, MATT JUST TALKED ABOUT SIGNAGE.
UH, THIS WOULD RE, THIS COLOR PALETTE WOULD BE A SET OF OPTIONS FOR CLADDING.
SO THAT'S, WHETHER IT'S BRICK OR SIDING, THE, THE, THE, THE MATERIAL THAT CREATES THE WALL OF THE BUILDING, RIGHT, MINUS THE WINDOWS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T DO A SIGN THAT IS A DIFFERENT COLOR OR DIFFERENT ELEMENTS LIKE THAT, BUT THIS IS YOUR STARTING POINT FOR PICKING A CLADDING COLOR.
UH, WE DID BUILD IN A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR THE DIRECTOR TO PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, FOR A DIFFERENT SHADE OF BLUE.
SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, EXACTLY, IT MUST BE THIS EXACT NAVY BLUE, BUT MAYBE THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT OF A RANGE THERE.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE THIS IN THE CODE, AND YOU'LL SEE THIS COLOR PALETTE THERE WHEN YOU, UH, THUMB THROUGH THERE.
AND SO THIS BRINGS US TO THE LAST SECTION, WHICH WHEN I STARTED, UM, EARLIER IN MY PART OF THE PRESENTATION, I TALKED ABOUT THIS ADMINISTRATIVE SECTION.
UH, THIS IS REALLY CRITICAL, UH, BOTH FOR A CUSTOMER OR AN APPLICANT THAT'S COMING IN AND WANTS TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE RULES WILL BE APPLIED TO THEIR PROPERTY OR TO A BUILDING THAT THEY WANT TO CONSTRUCT.
THIS IS WHERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE EARLIER SECTION IT MIGHT SAY YOU HAVE TO HAVE 60% GROUND FLOOR TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT.
WELL, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN, RIGHT? UH, BACK IN THIS SECTION, IT'S GONNA TELL YOU THAT'S HOW THIS IS MEASURED ON A BUILDING, THERE'S GONNA BE A DIAGRAM BACK THERE THAT TELLS YOU EXACTLY HOW IT RELATES, UH, TO A GROUND FLOOR OF A BUILDING WALL, UH, SO THAT YOU KNOW HOW THE NUMERIC RULES OR THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS ARE SPECIFICALLY APPLIED, UH, TO DIFFERENT BUILDING CONFIGURATIONS AND CONDITIONS.
THE OTHER THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS CHAPTER OR THIS SECTION IS, IS THERE'S PROCEDURAL INFORMATION AND THERE'S DETERMINATION INFORMATION.
SO I SHOWED WAY EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, UH, A MAP WHICH SHOWED THE ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT ALSO SHOWED POTENTIAL FUTURE ROADS.
UM, WE CAN GUESS THAT THOSE ROADS MIGHT END UP THERE, BUT I WOULD BET THAT A FEW OF THEM MIGHT BE A LITTLE TO THE LEFT OR A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT OR MAYBE SHIFTED A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF AN ELEMENT TO THE CODE THAT SAYS, THIS IS WHERE THE ROAD SHOULD BE.
[00:45:01]
HERE THERE IS SOME FLEXIBILITY GRANTED TO, UH, THE, THE DIRECTOR TO PROVIDE FOR A LITTLE BIT OF FLUCTUATION IN THE SPECIFIC LOCATION, UH, OF A ROAD, FOR EXAMPLE.AND SO THE RULES AND CRITERIA BY WHICH THE DIRECTOR, UM, COULD PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY WILL BE SPELLED OUT IN THIS SECTION.
SO SOME OF THEM ARE, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED WE HAVE A MUCH MORE STREAMLINED LAND USE TABLE HERE.
WELL, SOMEBODY INEVITABLY WILL COME ALONG, THEY'LL WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND IT JUST DOESN'T QUITE MATCH THE USES THAT WE HAVE, UH, IN THOSE LAND USE TABLES.
AND SO WE HAVE A SECTION IN THE ADMINISTRATION SECTION THAT TELLS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR WHAT TO DO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES WITH IN WITH A USE THAT DOESN'T PERFECTLY MATCH ONE OF THE DEFINITIONS THAT WE HAVE THERE AND HOW TO HANDLE THAT.
UH, SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A DETERMINATION, UH, CLAUSE WITHIN THE CODE WE HAVE WHAT WE CALL ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS THAT FOR SOME OF THESE DESIGN REQUIREMENTS, UH, I'VE MENTIONED TRANSPARENCY OR WINDOW REQUIREMENTS ON THE GROUND FLOOR, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE ALL WELL INTENDED AND TRYING TO CREATE A GREAT URBAN AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED ENVIRONMENT.
UM, INEVITABLY, UM, THERE WILL BE A CASE WHERE SOMEBODY JUST MISSES THAT BY A MINUTE OR BY A BY A FOOT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE, THEIR BUILDING IS WELL DESIGNED AND IT'S MEETING THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
AND SO THE ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS SECTION ALLOWS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TO PROVIDE LIMITED RELIEF FROM THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
UM, SO SAY, UH, AN ALLOWANCE FOR 10% REDUCTION, PROVIDED THAT THE DESIGN STILL MEETS THIS LISTED, UH, SET OF CRITERIA, MEANING IT MEETS THE DESIGN INTENT OF THE CODE.
UM, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, UM, FRIVOLOUS, MEANING THERE'S A GOOD REASON FOR WHY THEY WANT TO DO IT AND COMPELLING AND ALL THAT.
SO BUILDING IN SOME FLEXIBILITY THERE.
UM, WE ADDRESS BUILDING TYPES IN CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE CODE.
AND SO THOSE WILL BE DEFINED IN THIS SECTION.
OTHER EXAMPLES ARE DETERMINATION OF WHICH LOT LINE.
SO I MENTIONED HOW THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS THAT RELATE TO PRIMARY STREETS OR SECONDARY STREETS.
SO THAT MEANS ON ANY GIVEN SITE WE'VE GOTTA BE ABLE TO DEFINE WHICH LOT LINE IS THE PRIMARY STREET LOT LINE, WHICH LOT LINE IS THE SECONDARY STREET LOT LINE, AND WHICH IS A REAR LOT LINE AND SIDE, LOT LINE AND SO ON.
AND SO THIS, UH, PORTION OF THE CODE GIVES DIRECTION ON HOW, UH, THE REVIEWER CAN MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
I MENTIONED, UH, UH, RULES OF MEASUREMENT OR INTERPRETATION OF THE DESIGN STANDARDS.
YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF GRAPHICS BACK IN THIS SECTION.
THEY DO A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE THE GRAPHICS COME ALONG.
THERE'S A SPECIFICATION OF WHAT IS THE INTENT OF THIS STANDARD IN THE FIRST PLACE? WHAT IS IT TRYING TO ACHIEVE? SO IT'S NOT JUST A RULE WITH A NUMBER, IT'S, IT'S EXPLAINING IN THIS SECTION, WHY IS IT THERE, RIGHT? UH, AND THEN IT'S PROVIDING GRAPHICS LIKE THIS THAT SHOW THE REVIEWER, UM, HOW TO DETERMINE WHETHER A PROPOSED DESIGN OR A PROPOSED BUILDING LAYOUT IS, IS MEETING OR COMPLIANT WITH THE DESIGN STANDARD.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'LL SEE BACK THERE.
LAST PART IS ABOUT MATERIALS RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO I KNOW WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, WELL, MY FORMER COLLEAGUES HAVE TALKED WITH YOU ABOUT HOW WE AREN'T ABLE IN TEXAS TO REGULATE SPECIFIC BUILDING MATERIALS.
LIKE WE COULDN'T GO IN AND JUST SAY THAT EVERY BUILDING IN, UH, THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR MUST BE BRICK.
UM, 'CAUSE THERE'S STATE STATUTE THAT PREVENTS US FROM DOING THAT.
UM, BUT WE DID WANT TO PUT INTO THIS SECTION SUGGESTED MATERIALS.
SO THESE ARE VOLUNTARY SECTION OF REGULATIONS.
UH, IF THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT WISH TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR, UH, DIFFERENT MATERIALS, UH, THAT ARE LAID OUT IN THIS SECTION, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO MEET IT.
UM, BUT THEY'RE THERE AS A SUGGESTION SO THAT THE DEVELOPER UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE INTENT OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE CODE WAS OVERALL.
AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY DISCUSSION HAS BEEN AROUND HAS BEEN ABOUT AROUND MATERIALS AND MATERIAL QUALITY.
THE OTHER WAY THAT THESE ELEMENTS COULD COME INTO PLAY IS THERE MIGHT BE A SITUATION WHERE IT'S MORE THAN JUST A BUY RIGHT APPROVAL OF A DEVELOPMENT.
SAY A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND IS WISHING TO ENTER INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY, UH, WHERE THERE'S A NEGOTIATION THAT'S TAKING PLACE.
UH, HERE WE HAVE SPELLED OUT, UH, UH, UH, DESIRES FOR SPECIFIC BUILDING MATERIALS AND THOSE COULD COME INTO PLAY AND THOSE TYPES OF NEGOTIATIONS, UH, WITH A PRIVATE DEVELOPER TO SET UP A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.
AND JUST WRAPPING UP HERE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE GOING, YOU'VE GOT A DRAFT BEFORE YOU NOW.
UM, UH, WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU IN A PUBLIC HEARING TO A ADOPT, UH, PROBABLY AN UPDATED VERSION OF THAT DRAFT AS A TEXT AMENDMENT TO YOUR ZONING CODE, CREATING THOSE NEW ZONING DISTRICTS THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE FOLLOWED BY, UH, A SECOND ACTION, WHICH WOULD BE TO DO A MAP AMENDMENT TO ACTUALLY APPLY THOSE NEW ZONING DISTRICTS TO THE PROPERTIES,
[00:50:01]
UH, WITHIN THE CORRIDOR.UH, THESE WERE MENTIONED BEFORE, BUT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF OUTREACH PLANNED NEXT WEEK, FEBRUARY 1ST THROUGH THIRD.
UH, SO WE CAN GET YOU THE SPECIFICS OF THAT SCHEDULE.
IT'S ALSO ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW AND WE'RE TENTATIVELY PLANNING FOR FEBRUARY 13TH HEARING WITH YOU, UH, ON THE CODE UPDATE AS WELL AS A CITY COUNCIL HEARING ON MARCH 5TH, 2024.
AND WITH THAT, THAT WE APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING.
WE KNOW WE THREW A LOT OF STUFF AT YOU, SO JUST THANKS FOR BEING PATIENT AND HAPPY TO TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WE CAN.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, COMMISSIONER.
WE'LL, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A FEW QUESTIONS AND IF SO, I KNOW WE CAN CONTINUE INTO THE REGULAR SESSION.
YEAH, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM IN THE REGULAR SESSION.
IF YOU WANTED TO CONTINUE, UH, DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CONSULTANT, IT WOULD BE YOUR FIRST AGENDA ITEM IF YOU CHOOSE TO, WANT TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE A BURNING QUESTION THEY WANT TO ASK RIGHT NOW OR WE CAN WAIT TILL A REGULAR SESSION.
I WILL
ALRIGHT, MR. BREWERS, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THIS WAS THE ONLY ITEM ON OUR WORK SESSION, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.
DO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER FOR THE PLEASURE OF ALLEGIANCE THIS EVENING? MS. BELL? YES.
UH, MR. EXCUSE ME, MR. BREW OR MS. M, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE THE WORK SESSION? OKAY, WE WILL NOW OFFICIALLY CLOSE THE WORK SESSION AT 6:51 PM AND WE WILL START THE REGULAR SESSION PROMPTLY AT 7:00 PM THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.
THE TIME IS NOW 7:00 PM WE WANNA WELCOME YOU OUT TO THE SOLAR PLAN ZONING COMMISSION, REGULAR AGENDA, REGULAR MEETING.
WE'RE GONNA FIRST BE OPENED UP WITH THE PLEASURE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COMMISSIONER BELL.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[C. REGULAR SESSION - CALL TO ORDER]
ARE CALLING, UH, THIS REGULAR SESSION OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, UH, TO ORDER.UH, WE DO HAVE ALL SEVEN MEMBERS PRESENT, SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.
[D. CONSENT AGENDA Any item may be withdrawn from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Approval of the Consent Agenda authorizes the approval of each item in accordance with Staff Recommendations.]
FOR CONSIDERATION IS ON OUR CONSENT AGENDA, UH, WHICH IS ITEM D ONE, WHICH IS APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.UH, SO WE NEED TO, UH, CONSIDER, UH, THE MINUTES FROM OUR LAST MEETING, JANUARY 9TH, 2020 20 20 24.
UH, COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR OTHERWISE MODIFICATIONS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST TO MAKE TO THOSE MINUTES? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE MAINTENANCE DATED JANUARY 9TH, 2024? SO MOVED.
IS THERE ANY UNREADINESS HEARING AND SEEING NONE? ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED DO THE SAME AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
UH, SEEING AND HEARING NONE, UH, THE AYES HAVE AT SEVEN ZERO.
THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[1. Presentation and discussion of the Draft Hampton Road Character Code ----- Work Session Continuation.]
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA AND IT'S ITEM E ONE AND IT'S A PRESENTATION DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT, UH, HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE WORK SESSION CONTINUATION.UH, WE HAD, UH, JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE HAD A VERY DETAILED AND ROBUST DISCUSSION.
NO, WE DO NOT WANNA START FROM 0.1.
WE, WE WANT TO PICK UP WITH QUESTIONS.
SO IF YOU ALL WILL MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE AND AT THIS TIME, UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO ADDRESS.
ALRIGHT, SO ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS? YES, UH, MS. BROOKS, GO RIGHT HERE.
THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
UM, GOOD INFORMATION, UH, VERY THOROUGH AND EXCITED ABOUT IT ACTUALLY.
UM, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT INFORMATION LIKE THIS, UH, I HAVE A 27-YEAR-OLD SON AND A 22-YEAR-OLD SON.
UH, YES, I HAD 'EM WHEN I WAS 10 YEARS OLD,
THEY'RE VERY IN TUNE WITH ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION AND THEY WANT MORE CHOICES TO GET PLACES OTHER THAN HAVING TO GET IN A CAR, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S WITHIN A SHORT DISTANCE OF GETTING SOMEWHERE.
SO THE LINE OF QUESTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS I'LL BE ASKING IS COMING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
UM, SO THE FIRST ONE IS PARKING.
UH, WHEN I LOOKED AT THE PARKING AND SAW, I, I, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IT WAS IN SECTION THREE,
[00:55:01]
I'M NOT SURE WHAT SLIDE IT WAS, WAS ON THAT I COULDN'T SEE THE NUMBER, BUT IT LISTS PARALLEL AS AN ONLY OPTION.AND I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON, UM, IS THERE ANY WAY WE SHOULD, IS THERE ANY REASON FOR US NOT TO CONSIDER, UM, BUILDING IN SOME FLEXIBILITY AS DEVELOPMENT STARTS TO HAPPEN TO CONVERT THAT TO SOME TYPE OF HEAD IN? AND I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE ON STREET PARKING HEAD IN PARALLEL ANGLED PARKING TO, UM, INCREASE THE NUMBER OF SPACES AS DEVELOPMENT INCREASES? YEAH, I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE OPTIONS.
UH, I THINK YOU CAN DO A FINE PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED STREET WITH ANGLED PARKING FOR SURE.
THERE ARE LOTS OF EXAMPLES OF THAT.
UH, I THINK ONE OF THE RATIONALE BE BEHIND THE PARALLEL IS JUST, JUST THINKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF SPACE, LITERAL SPACE FROM CURB TO CURB THAT'S DEDICATED TO THE VEHICLE.
AND WITH THE PARALLEL SPACE, THAT MEANS EVERYTHING ELSE BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS IS MORE OF A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED SPACE OR PEOPLE ORIENTED SPACE RATHER THAN CARS.
AND SO JUST THINKING ABOUT THE IMPACT AND THE CREATION OF ROAD BED, A PARALLEL SPACE HAS THE LEAST IMPACT, THOUGH YOU POINT OUT CORRECTLY OBVIOUSLY THAT IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LESS EFFICIENT CONFIGURATION.
SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DEFINITELY CONSIDER.
IF YOU GUYS WANT TO WANNA THINK ABOUT ANGLED AS A, AS AN OPTION, JUST AS, JUST TO BUILD IN SOME FLEXIBILITY, AND I'M NOT SAYING START WITH THAT ANGLE PARKING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO PARALLEL ONLY PARKING.
UM, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY OPTIMISTIC THIS MAY BECOME A KNOX HENDERSON TYPE DESTINATION AND YOU KNOW, LOTS OF PEOPLE WANT TO VISIT THAT, UH, LOCATION.
SO WE WANNA BUILD IN SOME FLEXIBILITY TO ALLOW PARKING.
AND THEN ON THE OFF STREET PARKING, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH CASE.
MR. BROOKS, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION OR YES, SIR.
IT COULD BE FOR THEM RELATIVE TO WHAT YOU ARE SUGGESTING AND SHE'S ASKING ABOUT FLEXIBILITY DOWN THE ROAD, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT LIKE SETBACKS AND VARIOUS THINGS LIKE THAT WITH THE FLEXIBILITY? BECAUSE IF WE START OFF WITH PARALLEL AND THEN DOWN THE WAY WE HAVE, WE START THE ANGLE OR THINGS LIKE THAT.
UNLESS THERE'S ENOUGH ROOM TO, TO, IT'S A BIG ENOUGH BLOCK TO WHERE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING ON HALF OF IT.
BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT YOU'D REALLY WANT TO DO THAT.
WE MIGHT WANNA SPECIFY THAT WHAT YOU CHOOSE FOR A BLOCK THAT SHOULD BE CONSISTENT ALONG THAT BLOCK, BUT THE NEXT BLOCK MAYBE COULD BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO, AND BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, MR. BREWER, GO AHEAD.
I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THAT THE, TO KIND OF ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THE RIGHT OF WAY, WIDTH, UH, HAMPTON ROAD IS NOT GONNA CHANGE.
THAT PROPERTY LINE FROM THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE CITY ON STREET IS NOT CHANGING.
IT'S GOING TO BE THE DESIGN, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE MEET IN BETWEEN THERE MM-HMM.
THAT'S WHAT'S GONNA REDUCE DOWN TO ONLY A ONE LANE IN BOTH DIRECTION, UH, WITH THE PARKING ON THE SIDE.
AND I THINK THAT PARKING ON THE SIDE IS GOING TO DICTATE WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO BE PARALLEL OR ANGLED.
SO THAT'S KIND OF GETTING DEFINED BY THE ROADWAY PROJECT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT SOME OF THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN DEFINED WITH THE ROADWAY PROJECT THAT WE GOT GOING ON NOW, BUT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS NOT GONNA CHANGE.
UH, I SHOULD HAVE, I SHOULD CLARIFY THAT EVERYTHING THAT I SAID IN RESPONSE TO YOUR QUESTION WASN'T REALLY THINKING ABOUT A HAMPTON ROAD, BUT MORE SO THE OTHER STREETS THAT WILL FEED INTO DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE AREA.
I THINK THE HAMPTON ROAD DESIGN IS, I BELIEVE IS PRETTY WELL SAID.
AND I'M NOT THINKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
BUT THOSE LOCATIONS WHERE WE ARE PROPOSING URBAN CENTERS AND HIGHER DENSITY, IF THERE'S A NEED AND WE HAVE THE SPACE, I WOULD LIKE TO NOT PRECLUDE US FROM BEING ABLE TO, TO LOOK AT THAT.
I THINK ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE STREETS THAT FEED OFF OF HAMPTON ROAD YEAH.
AND START TO BECOME NEW STREETS WITHIN THOSE URBAN CENTER NEIGHBORHOODS.
AGAIN, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT ALONG SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS FOR THE HIGHER DENSITY, LET'S NOT JUST AUTOMATICALLY SAY PARALLEL ONLY.
AND THEN ON THE OFF STREET PARKING, IF YOU CAN PULL UP THAT, UH, MAP OR THAT SLIDE YOU SHOWED, I THINK IT WAS THE PARKING LOT DESIGN HERE OR, OKAY.
SO AGAIN, IF WE ARE WANTING THIS TO BE A MULTIMODAL DESTINATION,
[01:00:01]
FOLKS ARE COMING IN VEHICLES AS WELL AS, UH, PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS, UH, ON THIS PARKING LOT DESIGN, IS THERE ANY WAY WE COULD CONSIDER, UM, MAKING SOME TYPE OF DESIGN REQUIREMENT FOR THOSE WHO ARE WALKING SO WE CAN CREATE SOME TYPE OF SAFE WALKING TRAIL, UH, THROUGH THE PARKING LOT? IT'S, I GUESS IT'S NOT SHOWING VERY WELL.SEE THIS RIGHT HERE? OH, IS THAT IT? OKAY.
AND, UM, I THINK WHAT THE CODE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE IT MEMORIZED JUST YET, BUT THE IDEA THERE IS THAT IF YOU HAD DISABLED PARKING, THAT IT WOULD BE LOCATED NEXT TO THAT.
LIKE ONE OF THESE SPOTS SO THAT YOU CAN GET OUT SAFELY ACCESS THAT, UM, THAT, UH, MEDIAN PATHWAY.
AND THEN YOU SEE HOW IT'S CONNECTING, IT'S TRYING TO SUGGEST IN THIS DIAGRAM THAT IT'S CONNECTING TO A CROSSWALK THAT GETS YOU ACROSS THE PARKING LOT AND THEN GETS YOU UP TO THE ACTUAL BUILDING LEVEL.
BUT IF WE'RE WORKING WITH A BLANK SLATE, UH, IF WE CAN MAKE THE DESIGN LOOK LIKE IT'S A LITTLE MORE WELCOMING TO PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT IN, IN THE PROPOSAL.
UM, AS FAR AS THE PARKING MINIMUMS AND MAXIMUMS, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON THAT.
UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, I'M GLAD TO SEE WE'RE NOT CREATING PARKING FOR WORST CASE SCENARIO.
SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO SAY I COMPLETELY 1000% SUPPORT, UH, PARKING MAXIMUMS. UM, I GUESS MY QUESTION IS MAYBE TO STAFF, TO MR. BREWER OR TO EVEN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, MR. CARLSON, ARE WE, HAVE WE BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE LENDERS? ARE THEY REQUIRING PARKING MAXIMUMS OR MINIMUMS TO FUND OR FINANCE, UM, DEVELOPMENT REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN DALLAS? THEY ARE OKAY.
CREATE SOMETHING AND THEN WE CAN'T GET A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT FINANCE BECAUSE WE'VE CREATED A CONDITION.
UH, THAT'S NOT, NO, ABSOLUTELY.
AND THE ANSWER IS WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS.
WE, AS WE LOOK AT THIS OVERALL DESIGN, WE'RE KEENLY AWARE THAT THERE WILL BE, I, I CALL 'EM LOW HANGING FRUIT PROJECTS.
THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE EASIER IF WE HAD BIGGER PARKING.
AND, AND DEVELOPERS WILL WILL CERTAINLY TELL US, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S GONNA GO THERE.
WELL, WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA WAIT AND WAIT FOR, FOR A, A PROJECT THAT IS MORE DESIRABLE THAT DOES MEET THE STANDARDS.
BUT OUR INTENTION OBVIOUSLY IS NOT TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S SO RESTRICTIVE THAT WE COULDN'T MEET FINANCING STANDARDS.
AND THERE WILL BE, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES THERE TO ADDRESS THOSE SPECIFICALLY AS WE START TO GET INTO THE DESIGN OF ANY PARTICULAR PROJECT.
BUT NO, WE CERTAINLY HAVE KEPT THOSE IN MIND AND HALF HAS DONE THIS MULTIPLE TIMES SUCH THAT I THINK THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU'RE SEEING CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN PROVEN UP IN SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES.
OR IF YOU CAN PULL UP THE MAP WITH THE, UM SURE.
I THINK IT SAYS CENTRAL GREEN.
UM, IS THERE A REASON WE HAVE THAT LITTLE PIECE, THAT LITTLE PANHANDLE STICKING OUT TO HAMPTON ROAD? IS THAT TO ACCOMMODATE AN EXISTING USE OR DOES IT EXISTING LOT THERE? YEAH, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THAT IN ANY OF THE OTHER, I CAN ZONE, I CAN ANSWER THAT SO THAT, THAT REFLECTS LAND THAT'S OWNED BY THE CITY AND WE KNOW THAT WE WANT TO CREATE SOME ACCESS POINTS TO WHAT THIS URBAN, THIS URBAN GREEN, UH, THIS GREEN SPACE IS GOING TO BE.
WE'VE ALLOWED THAT TO KIND OF STAY AS, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE ACCESS INTO THE PARK AS WELL AS FROM DALTON.
'CAUSE THERE'S ACTUALLY A PIECE THAT DOESN'T SHOW IN THAT PICTURE CORRECTLY, THAT ACTUALLY GOES OUT TO DALTON, THAT'S CITY OWNED PROPERTY.
AND THEN THERE'LL BE ALSO BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO ACCESS THAT FROM SPINNER.
SO WE'RE KIND OF CREATING LOTS OF WAYS, NOT NECESSARILY EVEN ALL BY CAR, BUT BY BIKE OR BY BY PEDESTRIAN TO PARK IN SOME OF THOSE OUTLYING AREAS AND WALK INTO THE GREEN AREA.
BEFORE HE LEAVES, CAN I, THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS I HAD THE WRITER, UM, RELATIVE, WHAT TYPE OF GREEN SPACES ARE THEY EXPECTING TO INCORPORATE, UM, DOWN THE HAMPTON CORRIDOR PROJECT? IF THAT'S PROBABLY A QUESTION BETTER LEFT.
[01:05:01]
AS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, WHAT'S BEING CREATED ON THE PUBLIC SECTOR? UM, THAT IS ONE OF THE CENTRAL PIECES THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING.AND THAT WOULD BE A, AN ACTIVATED, UH, PARK AREA.
I THINK IT'S EIGHT TO 10 ACRES, UM, THAT'S STUCK THERE IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE INTENTION OF SORT OF CREATING THIS HAVEN, IF YOU WILL, AND SURROUNDING THAT WITH, WITH THE APPROPRIATE KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT, BUT A PLACE THAT THAT CAN BE PROGRAMMED AND UTILIZED FOR FARMER'S MARKET, OR IF THIS BECOMES THE ROAD THAT GETS CLOSED DOWN FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE OR THE VICTORY PARADE, IF WE'RE GONNA JUST KEEP WINNING CHAMPIONSHIPS EVERY YEAR, UM, THAT THIS IS A PLACE WHERE CAN GATHERING COULD HAPPEN AS, AS PARTS OF THOSE AS WELL.
UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO REALLY GO DOWN, UM, YOU START TO SEE SOME OF THE GREEN SPACES THAT ARE WANDERING THROUGH IN THE TRAIL SPACES.
UM, THE HALF HAS BEEN VERY, VERY, UH, DELIBERATE IN LOOKING AT OUR TRAILS MASTER PLAN AND THEN LOOK AND THEN PROPOSING SOME CONNECTING, UH, TRAILS THAT REALLY CREATE THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR.
AN ABILITY TO GET OFF THE STREET ALTOGETHER WITH BIKES OR FEET AND USE THOSE TRAIL SYSTEMS. ALL RIGHT.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COUPLE.
UM, I'VE NOW REACHED AN AGE WHERE THINGS THAT ARE OLD ARE NEW AGAIN.
AND SO I WAS WONDERING, IN THINKING ABOUT THE COLOR SCHEMES, THE BUILDING DESIGN, THE MATERIAL USAGE, WHAT DO YOU SEE IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE AS THE, AS THE USABLE LIFE OF A DESIGN LIKE THIS BEFORE YOUR OPINION ON COLORS OR MATERIALS STARTS TO CHANGE? LEMME START WITH MATERIALS FIRST.
I FEEL LIKE WE'VE LAID OUT IN THAT SECTION A WIDE VARIETY OF BUILDING MATERIALS FOR CLADDING THAT ARE KNOWN TO BE, UM, QUALITY CLADDING MATERIALS THAT STAND THE TEST OF TIME AND ARE DURABLE IN, IN OUR CLIMATE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND SO, I, I DON'T THINK RIGHT NOW, UM, WE'VE PUT ANYTHING IN THERE THAT I WOULD EXPECT TO JUST DISAPPEAR.
BUT YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT, AN EXCELLENT POINT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE TROUBLE, THAT'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF REGULATING BUILDING MATERIAL IS THAT SOMEBODY WILL COME ALONG 10 YEARS FROM NOW AND THEY'LL INNOVATE AND THEY'LL CREATE SOMETHING, UH, THAT IS A MATERIAL THAT WE WEREN'T EVEN THINKING OF SITTING IN THIS ROOM TODAY.
RIGHT? AND SO THAT'S WHY CODES LIKE THIS, UM, AND AGAIN, THOSE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO REMEMBER, THOSE AREN'T CODIFIED IN TERMS OF REQUIREMENTS, THEY'RE VOLUNTARY.
UM, BUT THAT'S WHY THESE KIND OF CODES, THIS KIND OF WORK IS NEVER DONE.
SO THE 10 YEARS FROM NOW, WHEN THAT MATERIAL COMES ALONG, IF WE KEEP IT IN HERE, WE MIGHT HAVE TO COME IN AND DO A TWEAK TO THIS, UH, AND UPDATE IT TO ADD ADDITIONAL MATERIALS.
THE OTHER THING I THINK WE CAN DO THERE IS WE CAN BUILD IN SOME FLEXIBILITY INTO HERE, UM, THAT SPEAKS TO THE INTENT BEHIND THE RECOMMENDATIONS, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S NOT, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THESE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ABOUT, IT'S THIS MATERIAL AND THAT MATERIAL AND NOTHING ELSE.
IT'S MORE ABOUT HOW YOU USE THE MATERIALS THAT THEY'RE OF A DURABLE QUALITY, HOW YOU MIX AND MATCH THEM.
AND SO I THINK MAYBE WE COULD DO A BETTER JOB, UH, IN THE NEXT DRAFT OF, OF THINKING MORE ABOUT THAT AND MAYBE BUILDING IN A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY.
THAT'S A THOUGHT THERE ON THE COLORS.
UM, WELL, WHAT THE, THE PALLET THAT, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE, LET ME SEE IF I CAN PULL IT UP.
THE PALLET THAT WE HAVE IS ALMOST KIND OF LIKE AN EARTH TANZY TYPE OF PALETTE.
I WOULD SAY IF I HAD TO GIVE IT A NAME.
UM, I, I THINK THOSE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE PEOPLE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW IF YOU GO THROUGH RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, YOU SEE PEOPLE PAINTING RED BRICK HOUSES WHITE ALL OVER THE PLACE, RIGHT? MM-HMM.
AND SO THEY PAINTING EVERYTHING WHITE.
UM, AND SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, WHAT I UNDERSTOOD, UM, YOU KNOW, I I ADMITTEDLY WAS A LITTLE LATE TO THIS AND WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF FILLING IN WITH THE STAFFING CHANGE.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS COLOR PALETTE, AND THIS WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY CITY COUNCIL AND MAYBE YOURSELVES.
AND SO WE ARE BRINGING THIS FORWARD AS A KEY ELEMENT OF THE CHARACTER CODE.
BUT AGAIN, JUST, JUST LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, THESE ARE, THESE ARE KIND OF LIVING DOCUMENTS.
YOU DON'T WANNA UPDATE 'EM EVERY SIX MONTHS OR EVERY YEAR.
BUT ULTIMATELY, YOU DO HAVE TO KIND OF MANAGE 'EM AND KEEP 'EM UP TO DATE OVER THE YEARS.
BUT WHAT IS YOUR EXPERIENCE IN TERMS OF THE USEFUL LIFE OF THIS BEFORE YOU, AND, AND AGAIN, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK LIKE, HOW, HOW LONG DOES THIS WORK FOR US BEFORE?
[01:10:03]
MY IMPRESSION WOULD BE WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF TO MAKE A, A UNIFORM CHANGE OVER SOME PERIOD OF TIME.AND IF WE KNEW WHAT THAT WAS, AGAIN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE THE PROFESSIONAL
AND THE COLORS AREN'T IMPORTANT TO ME NECESSARILY, BUT IT, IT JUST STRIKES ME AS A STYLE THING.
OR I'M JUST WONDERING HOW LONG THIS LASTS BEFORE IT'S, I, I DON'T WANNA PAINT IT QUITE LIKE, WHAT, HOW LONG DOES THAT STYLE, UM, HOW LONG COULD WE EXPECT THAT TO HOLD? BECAUSE YOU'D WANT THIS, THIS IS GONNA TAKE SOME TIME TO DO.
SO HOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK? UH, WELL, ALL THE REGULATIONS HERE ARE GONNA BE CODIFIED AS CODE, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE IN THERE, THEY'RE GONNA, UNTIL THEY GET CHANGED, DO THE LAW OF THE LAND UNTIL THEY GET CHANGED.
AND THAT MEANS COMING BACK TO YOU GUYS, RIGHT? AND HAVING MORE DISCUSSION AND GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AND SO ON.
UM, I WOULD SAY, I WOULD SAY IT MIGHT BE MORE DEPENDENT ON RATHER THAN TIME, LIKE AS WE START TO SEE REDEVELOPMENT OCCUR IN THE CORRIDOR, WHEN MATT STARTS TO SEE A PROJECT COME IN, THAT'S A GREAT PROJECT, AND THIS CODE HAS SOMETHING IN IT THAT'S PREVENTING THAT PROJECT, HE'S GONNA BE LIKE, HEY, CHARLES, HEY, GO FIX THIS.
I THINK WE NEED TO, NEED TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT HERE.
RIGHT? UM, AND SO SOME OF THAT KIND OF TESTING'S GONNA HAVE TO OCCUR ON THE GROUND.
IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA WORK ITSELF OUT OVER TIME LIKE THAT, BASED ON MARKET CONDITIONS OF WHAT COMES TO THE TABLE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T WANNA PUT A SPECIFIC TIMELINE ON IT EXCEPT TO SAY THAT I THINK A LOT OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE ENTRIES FACING THE STREET, EFFECTIVE USE OF BUILDING MATERIALS, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR TRANSPARENCY, THESE ARE, THESE ARE OLD WORLD STUFF, RIGHT? THAT RIGHT.
THAT WE'RE PULLING FROM INSPIRATION FROM EUROPEAN CITIES AND PLACES LIKE THAT SURE.
THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS.
AND SO, UM, NOT TO GET TOO PHILOSOPHICAL ABOUT IT THERE, BUT NO, BUT, UM, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT THOSE, THE MAJORITY OF THESE STANDARDS, IF NOT ALL OF THEM, FOR A GOOD WHILE.
BUT THERE'S ALWAYS FINE TUNING SURE.
UM, WITH THIS TYPE OF FORM BASED AND CHARACTER BASED CODE WORK.
AND THEN I WAS ALSO THINKING ABOUT, AGAIN, IN ASKING ABOUT YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERIENCE, WHAT, WHEN I THINK ABOUT THIS AREA TODAY, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S EXISTING THAT WE WOULD MODIFY TO THESE PIECES.
YOU REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A VISION TO SEE THESE THINGS.
IS THAT HARDER TO DO BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TAKING AN EXISTING, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK ABOUT THE SQUARE MAYBE IN WAXAHATCHEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, ONCE WAS HORSE-DRAWN CARRIAGES IS NOW TRUCKS AND CARS, BUT THEY HAD SOME STRUCTURE THERE.
IS THAT EASY? OR, OR IS THIS, IS THIS A BIGGER, IS THIS A BIGGER LIFT BECAUSE IT LITERALLY DOESN'T EXIST AT ALL TODAY? WELL, SO WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT IN THE BREAK.
THE, THE FACT THAT THIS IS BEING PAIRED WITH THE ROAD DIET AND THE IMPROVEMENTS TO HAMPTON ROAD, TO ME IS LIKE, IT'S SO AMAZING.
BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T ALWAYS, THAT'S RARE FOR A COMMUNITY TO COME FORWARD AND TOUCH ON ALL THOSE THINGS AT ONCE AND SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE.
A LOT OF TIMES, MAYBE THEY WANT TO, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MONEY OR THE FUNDING TO MAKE THOSE ROADWAY CHANGES.
THAT CHANGE IN THE CHARACTER OF THAT STREET AND THE WIDTH IS GONNA, IS GONNA BE SO PROFOUND ON THAT CORRIDOR.
AND I THINK WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT STARTS TO COME IN, IT'S GONNA FEEL LIKE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PLACE THAN IT FEELS LIKE RIGHT NOW.
UM, WITHOUT, EVEN WITHOUT CHANGING PROPERTIES, THE PROPERTY LINES ARE GONNA SIT WHERE THEY'RE GONNA SIT.
UM, BUT IS IT MORE CHALLENGING? IT KIND OF, IT DEPENDS ON THE PROJECT.
IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE SITE.
[01:15:01]
OF DIFFERENT FACTORS, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE SOME LARGE VACANT PROPERTIES, UM, THAT SOMEBODY CAN COME IN, COME IN, MAYBE THEY ALREADY DO OWN THOSE PROPERTIES.THEY CAN DO A MULTI-BUILDING, SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT THAT'S RUNNING NEW STREETS AND ACCESS THROUGH IT.
AND YES, THAT'S A COMPLEX PROJECT, BUT I'VE GOT A LOT OF SPACE TO WORK WITH, RIGHT? SURE.
SO THERE ARE CHALLENGES, BUT IT'S EASIER TO DO WHEN YOU HAVE MORE LAND, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU'VE GOT OTHER PARCELS IN HERE THAT ARE GONNA BE, UM, SUBJECT TO THIS CODE THAT ARE SMALLER INDIVIDUAL PARCELS THAT MIGHT INCREMENTALLY CHANGE OVER TIME.
UM, AND THERE'S LESS LAND TO WORK WITH, RIGHT? AND SO THOSE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING.
I DON'T, YOU KNOW, BUT YOU'VE GOT THE BONES OF A STREET GRID WE'VE LAID OUT, UM, UH, POTENTIAL FUTURE STREET GRID AND STREETS ARE WHAT MAKES DISTRICTS GREAT.
WELL, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM WORK.
UM, AND SO I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT OVER TIME IT'LL, IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN EXACTLY HOW WE MIGHT THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
UM, OR IN THE ORDER THAT WE THINK IT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT INCREMENTALLY OVER TIME, YOU WILL START TO SEE THIS CHANGE HAPPEN.
I ALSO, UH, LAST QUESTION IS, UH, UH, I FEEL LIKE IN THE, WHAT WE SEE, UM, COME TO US ARE
OKAY, BIGGER, BIGGER BUSINESSES.
NATIONWIDE BUSINESSES HAVE STRUCTURES THAT WERE DESIGNED BY AN ARCHITECT AND THEY JUST, THEY HAVE A BOOK LIKE THIS THAT SAYS, YOU CAN PICK FROM ONE OF SIX DIFFERENT LAYOUTS, BUT THIS IS, THESE ARE YOUR OPTIONS.
AND SO WHEN THEY COME HERE THEN AND GO, WELL, WE'D LOVE TO COMPLY WITH YOUR PARKING NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES OR YOUR, YOU KNOW, STORY HEIGHT OR YOUR WIDTH OFF THE STREET, UM, THEY'RE SAYING, OH, WELL WE, WE DON'T FIT WHAT YOUR RULES ARE.
AND SO WE SAY, WELL, I MEAN, IF YOU'LL COME IN AND DO WHAT THE, WHAT WE'RE ASKING THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST TRIM THAT HOTEL BY 50 ROOMS. AND THEY GO, LITERALLY, I'VE GOT A BOOK LADY.
I'VE GOT A BOOK THAT SAYS, I'VE GOT FOUR CHOICES OF WHAT THIS HOTEL CAN LOOK LIKE.
AND NONE OF IT IS TO, GIVES ME THE FLEXIBILITY TO CHANGE IT BY 50 ROOMS TO MEET A DESOTO CODE.
IF THAT'S THE OPTION, I'LL JUST GO TO PICK YOUR SURROUNDING CITY.
SO HOW IS OUR, HOW IS THIS COMPATIBLE OR RESTRICTIVE FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE AS COMPARED TO THE, TO THE IMMEDIATE SURROUNDING CITIES? ARE THEY MORE LIKELY TO SAY, GOSH, THAT SOUNDS HARD AND IT DOESN'T FIT WITH MY BOOK OF NO CHOICES, SO I'LL JUST GO BUILD MY HOTEL, MY RESTAURANT, MY WHATEVER IT IS IN A CITY WITH LESS RESTRICTION? YEAH.
UM, AND INTERESTING DISCUSSION POINT.
SO I THINK FOR THE STUFF THAT REALLY ISN'T MEETING THE INTENT OF THE CODE, YOU KNOW, I THINK MATT KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER, THIS MIGHT NOT BE THE PLACE FOR YOU, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE IF YOUR DESIGN DOESN'T CREATE A WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS INVESTED ALL THIS WORK INTO TO BUILD THIS CODE, THEN THAT MIGHT BE SOMETIMES WE'RE SAYING NO, YOU MIGHT BE IN THE NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY OR THE OTHER ONE, UH, BEYOND THERE.
SO I THINK THAT WILL HAPPEN, RIGHT? UM, THERE WILL BE CASES WHERE THAT HAPPENS.
THE FORMULA READS A SECOND THING.
I THINK WE WANT TO CREATE FLEXIBILITY IN A CODE LIKE THIS TO WHERE IF IT'S A TECHNICALITY AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT MEETING THE CODE, WE HAVE A RELIEF VALVE.
SO IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, YOUR BUILDING'S MEETING, UM, THE INTENT OF THE CODE, IT'S A GOOD DESIGN.
IT'S ACHIEVING THE GOALS FOR THE CORRIDOR AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
BUT IT DOESN'T MEET THE REQUIREMENT BASED ON A TECHNICALITY.
THAT'S WHY WE BUILD IN THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS AND WE PROVIDE SOME FLEXIBILITY FOR STAFF TO ALLOW THAT GOOD BUILDING TO HAPPEN.
RETAIL ONE VERY INTERESTING POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS SAY THAT, UH, I'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCES THAT SHOW THAT THERE'S A FIFTH AND THERE'S A SIXTH, SEVENTH, AND EIGHTH THAT THEY DON'T LIKE TO BRING TO THE MEETING WITH THEM, BUT THEY HAVE IT BACK THERE SOMEWHERE.
UM, IT DEPENDS HOW BADLY THEY WANNA BE WHERE YOU ARE.
THEY, I'VE SEEN THE MOST GORGEOUS MCDONALD'S IN ALL THE WORLD.
BUT IT, THEY WERE INTENT ON BEING IN THAT CITY, IN THAT SPOT ON THAT CORNER.
AND SO IT'S UNLIKE ANYTHING YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
[01:20:02]
IS THAT HERE? I DON'T KNOW.THAT'S THE PART THAT MAKES ME NERVOUS.
SO THEN IT RELATES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE SAYING BEFORE, RIGHT? THERE MIGHT BE A CERTAIN DEVELOPMENT THAT JUST DOESN'T WORK.
SOMEBODY MENTIONED BEFORE THAT I WAS WORKING AT DENVER BEFORE THERE, WE HAVE A CHICK-FIL-A ON A COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR THAT'S BUILT RIGHT UP TO THE STREET, HAS OUTDOOR SEATING ON IT.
THE DRIVE THROUGH IS COMPLETELY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING SCREENED.
AND YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW IT'S BACK THERE.
UM, IF YOU WERE ON THE KEY CORRIDOR STREET, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S GOTTA BE THE BEST DESIGNED CHICK-FIL-A IN THE COUNTRY.
I THINK IF THERE'S ANOTHER ONE THAT'S AWESOME, BUT SURE.
UM,
AND THEY CAME IN, THEY SAID, THESE ARE OUR FOUR OPTIONS.
AND THEY PUT 'EM OUT ON THE TABLE AND THEY KIND OF ARGUED BACK AND FORTH ABOUT, YOU KNOW, CAN YOU, BUT CAN YOU ADJUST THIS? CAN YOU DO THAT? AND THE GUY, UM, GOT FED UP AND HE SAID, THAT'S ALL I CAN DO.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY FOUR OPTIONS.
AND HE HUFFED OUT OF THE MEETING AND HE LEFT HIS FOLDER SITTING THERE AND MY BOSS OPENED THE FOLDER.
AND IT TURNED OUT THERE WAS FOUR MORE OPTIONS IN THERE THAT HE DIDN'T BRING UP IN THE MEETING THAT WOULD'VE MET SOME OF, SOME OF WHICH WOULD'VE MET EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE PUSHING FOR.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GAME THAT'S, THAT'S PLAYED AND A NEGOTIATION THAT HAPPENS.
BUT, UM, I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT.
THERE WILL BE SOME THAT WILL WALK.
AND, AND BRAD, I HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER EXAMPLE JUST, JUST TO MAKE THE POINT.
SO I, IN MY LAST PUBLIC SECTOR, I SPENT FIVE YEARS WORKING FOR A JURISDICTION OVER NORTH OF ATLANTA.
IT HAD BEEN THE TOP 10 FASTEST GROWING COUNTIES FOR OVER A DECADE.
FOR PERSPECTIVE, JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, MY FIRST YEAR THERE, THIS IS BEFORE THE GREAT RECESSION, WE HAD PERMITTED OVER 6,000 NEW SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING.
THAT'S HOW FAST WE WERE GROWING.
BUT WE HAD AN OVERLAY DISTRICT WHERE ACADEMY CAME IN AND SPENT OVER NINE MONTHS ARGUING THAT THEY COULD NOT BUILD THEIR BUILDING WITHOUT HAVING THE BLUE STRIP THAT YOU ALL SEE ON ACADEMY.
IT WAS THAT CORPORATE WOULD NEVER ALLOW 'EM TO DO IT.
SO BEFORE THAT, BEFORE WE CAVED, RIGHT, UH, I LEFT AND I MOVED TO SUGAR LAND.
AND IF YOU ALL HAVE BEEN TO SUGAR LAND AND THE QUALITY STANDARDS FIRST WEEKEND, I'M THERE.
I'M DRIVING AROUND AND DRIVE PAST THIS FULL.
AND LIKE ALSO, IT WASN'T JUST THE STRIP, IT WAS THE TILT UP WALLS DRIVING PAST A FULL FOUR-SIDED MASONRY ACADEMY BUILDING, NO BLUE STRIP.
AND I WAS LIKE, I KNEW THEY COULD DO IT, BUT THEY PLAY THAT GAME AND MOST CITIES CAVE AND THEY BANK ON THAT.
AND SO THEY'RE ABLE TO PUSH IT ENOUGH IN ENOUGH UNTIL THE CITY'S CAVE, VERY FEW WILL WALK AWAY.
AND THE OTHER PART IS QUALITY DEVELOPMENT WANTS TO BE NEAR QUALITY DEVELOPMENT.
SO IF YOU ARE CREATING A QUALITY ENVIRONMENT, THE BUSINESSES WILL COME AND THEY'LL WANT TO BE THERE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, YOU HAVE ONE? ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, MS. BROOKS AND THEN MR. REVENUE.
THAT WAS GOOD INFORMATION, GOOD CONVERSATION.
UM, AND IT BRINGS ME TO, UH, SECTION FOUR, THE ADMINISTRATION.
IT'S AN EXCELLENT VISION FOR THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR.
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE WHO WANT TO BE HERE IS ALIGNING WITH THE VISION AND IS GOING TO RUN WITH THAT VISION AND DO WHAT'S BEING PRESCRIBED IN THIS PLAN.
SO MY QUESTION, AND THIS IS PROBABLY FOR MATT OR MR. BREWER, UM, WILL I, I SEE THE TERM USED ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT.
I'M HOPING THAT IS NOT GOING TO END UP BEING SYNONYMOUS WITH WAIVERS.
SO HOW DO WE GUARANTEE THAT WE'RE NOT GIVING A BUNCH OF WAIVERS FOR THOSE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENTS THAT DO NOT MEET THE INTENT OF THE PLAN? COOL.
UH, WELL, MATT, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER 'CAUSE I'M NOT FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THIS CHARACTER CODE.
YOU HAVE ANY INPUT YOU CAN GIVE? SURE.
SO FIRST PART IS THEY'RE VERY LIMITED, LIMITED ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU CAN JUST WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT.
UM, SO YOU'LL SEE ON THAT PAGE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PRIMARY STREET BILL TO REQUIREMENT THE AMOUNT, LET'S SAY IT SAYS 50 FEET OF BUILDING HAS TO BE BUILT WITHIN X FEET OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
THE 10% REQUIREMENT IS ONLY ALLOWING YOU TO CUT THAT DOWN BY FIVE FEET.
SO IT'S A MINOR ADJUSTMENT THAT'S ALLOWED TO BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY.
[01:25:02]
SECONDLY, THERE'S CRITERIA THERE THAT TALKS ABOUT THAT ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT IS ONLY ALLOWED IF THE SPIRIT AND INTENT OF THE CODE IS STILL MET AND SHOULD ONLY BE BEING DONE IF THERE'S REALLY A CHALLENGE WITH THE SITE THAT'S MAKING IT NECESSARY.NOT JUST BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE DOING ANOTHER FIVE FEET.
YOU GOTTA MAKE A COMPELLING ARGUMENT.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE CRITERIA AND WE ONLY LIMITED THE AMOUNT.
NOW, UM, AS IT'S WRITTEN HERE, UM, YOU, YOU WOULD STILL, OF COURSE AS A PROPERTY OWNER HAVE A VARIANCE OPTION.
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD FILE FOR A VARIANCE PRESUMABLY AND TRY TO GET, GET OUT OF AND WAIVE A REQUIREMENT BY A VARIANCE.
BUT, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HOPE THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN.
AND THAT IF THEY, IF TO ASK FOR THAT, THEY WOULD MEET THE CRITERIA THAT'S IN YOUR CODE FOR VARIANCE, WHICH IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT.
LIKE MUST BE A SIGNIFICANT HARDSHIP AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PATH, BUT WE'VE TRIED TO LIMIT IT AND WE TRIED TO MAKE IT KEYED TO CRITERIA.
I THINK WE HAD A DISCUSSION PRIOR, AND I THINK IT'S TELLING, UH, AS I WAS ASKING VERY MUCH THE SAME QUESTION AND THE RESPONSE I HAD FROM, FROM BRAD AND FROM FROM MATT WAS, YOU'VE CAST A GREAT VISION.
NOW YOU NEED TO ALLOW INSPIRED ARCHITECTURE TO HAPPEN.
IT'S A QUESTION ABOUT CLADDING, IT'S A QUESTION ABOUT COLOR, IT'S A QUESTION ABOUT VARIANCE.
EVERY BUILDING, YOU DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK THE SAME.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU WALK THROUGH LOWER GREENVILLE AND YOU SEE A TRADER JOE IN AN OLD BUILDING AND YOU SEE LOTS OF THESE VERY AND YET SET A BLOCK OFF, YOU SEE A FIVE STORY APARTMENT BUILDING.
THAT'S VERY MUCH IN KEEPING WITH THE OVERALL ARCHITECTURE.
WE WANT TO INSPIRE A PLACE WHERE GREAT ARCHITECTURE HAPPENS.
YOU KNOW, I'VE SPENT TIME IN COLORADO BEFORE I CAME HERE, AND YOU GO TO VAIL AND YOU SEE A WALMART THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY OTHER WALMART YOU'VE EVER SEEN.
YOUR MCDONALD'S DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANY OTHER MCDONALD'S.
IT CAN BE DONE IF YOU NEED TO HAVE THAT DONE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR VISION DOESN'T INSPIRE THOSE USERS.
OUR VISION INSPIRES ORGANIC GROWTH.
OUR VISION INSPIRES SMALL BUSINESSES GROWING AND THRIVING AND CREATING AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT THAN WE HAVE DOWN ON BELTLINE.
HEY, ANTOINE AND I ARE HAPPY TO SHOW 'EM PLACES ON BELTLINE.
WE'LL BE HAPPY TO SHOW 'EM PLACES ON, ON I 35.
THEY, THEY CAN MEET THOSE DESIRES.
THEY JUST AREN'T GONNA MEET 'EM IN THIS ONE MILE CORRIDOR.
I THINK INSPIRING GREAT ARCHITECTURE IS A GREAT, UH, GOAL.
THAT HALF IS SET FORTH WITH THESE AND GIVEN ENOUGH SPACE TO ALLOW THAT CREATIVE MIND TO SAY, WOULD YOU ENTERTAIN? THAT'S UP TO US INSIDE.
WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND LOOK FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO DO THAT.
AND I, I GUESS MY CONCERN, UH, MATT AND MADDEN, MR. BREWER IS ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENTS ARE FINE GIVING STAFF THAT ABILITY TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, DECISIONS ON THE SPOT.
UM, BUT IS THERE A REASON THAT THAT SHOULDN'T COME TO THIS BODY FOR A REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AGREE WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THIS ADMINISTRATIVE ALLOWANCE SO THAT WE CAN SAY, WELL IT SOUNDS LIKE IT ALIGNS WITH THE VISION.
WE AGREE, WE'VE HEARD THE VISION.
YOU KNOW, WHY SHOULD THAT NOT BE SOMETHING THAT COMES TO, TO THIS BODY OR TO CITY COUNCIL FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST A LOT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ALL ARE IN AGREEMENT WITH HOW YOU INTERPRETED IT.
YOU AS A STAFF, NOT YOU SPECIFICALLY.
LEMME SAY RIGHT NOW, TRULY DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO THAT.
UH, BUT LET ME ALSO SAY THERE MIGHT BE A NEED AND IT MIGHT BE PRODUCTIVE IF THOSE THREE BODIES CAN MEET TOGETHER, CITY COUNCIL, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, THE ZBA AND MAYBE EVEN THE DDC TO TALK ABOUT YOU WANTING TO HAVE THIS VISION AND YOU WANT TO COME TOGETHER ON WHAT IS DONE.
I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CODE ITSELF.
I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE, THE ADMINISTRATIVE WAIVERS.
BUT THERE STILL NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE WE GOT TO REALIZE THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT PROBABLY DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS CODE.
AND THEY'RE ARE GONNA BE THE ONES TO ACTUALLY GET THOSE VARIANCES REQUESTS AFTER Y'ALL GAVE Y'ALL RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, COUNCIL SETS THE POLICY AND THIS BECOMES A PART OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
AND IF THEY ARE NOT HELPED GUIDED OR SPOKEN WITH ABOUT WHAT YOUR VISIONS ARE, THE COUNCIL VISIONS ARE, THEY MAY NOT BE ON THE SAME TRACK, BUT, BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THIS CLAUSE THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN SOME ADMINISTRATIVE FLEXIBILITY.
BUT I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER DIRECTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AT THIS POINT.
OKAY, WELL THAT'S ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS TO
[01:30:01]
CONSIDER WHAT NEEDS TO BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE AND WHAT SHOULD COME TO, UM, THE PNZ OR CITY COUNCIL FOR, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT IT ALIGNS WITH THE VISION.AND FINAL QUESTION, I KNOW I TALKED A LOT TONIGHT, UM, BUT THIS IS AGAIN, SOMETHING I REALLY ENJOY SEEING, YOU KNOW, VISION THROWN AND OUR CITY CAN TRANSFORM IN THIS COURT AND BECOME SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY GREAT THAT WE CAN ALL BE PROUD OF.
SO I'M, LOOK, I'M, I HOPE I'M STILL HERE WHEN IT ACTUALLY COMES TO FRUITION.
UM, I'M SURE I WILL 'CAUSE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA WORK FAST.
BUT THE FINAL THING IS, THE FINAL THING IS, UM, DO YOU ANTICIPATE NOT, I THINK I'VE ALREADY ASKED THAT.
WILL THERE BE ANY INCENTIVES FOR THE EXISTING BUSINESSES IN THE CORRIDOR TO COME INTO ALIGNMENT, UM, WITH THIS PLAN SOONER THAN LATER? DO WE ANTICIPATE, I DON'T, I KNOW YOU CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A BUDGETING ISSUE, BUT DO WE ANTICIPATE SEEING SOMETHING, ANY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES THAT YOU'LL BE OFFERING? I MEAN, I, I, I CERTAINLY CAN SPEAK TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, UM, IN, IN THAT, THAT'S OUR INTENT IN, I I THOUGHT THE BRETT HAD PUT IT, WELL, MANY OF THESE PROPERTIES ARE SMALLER PROPERTIES THAT DON'T LEND THEMSELVES TO SORT OF LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENT.
IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE AND THEY PLAY A ROLE.
HOW DO WE MAKE THAT ATTRACTIVE FOR THEM TO CHANGE AND, AND IMPLEMENT? WE CERTAINLY STAND READY TO BACK UP WHAT WE'RE SAYING HERE WITH INCENTIVE AGREEMENTS WITH THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT COME TO US AND SAY, YEAH, I'M, I'M IN WHAT, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO? RIGHT? WE CURRENTLY ALREADY HAVE FACADE AGREEMENT, UH, POLICY AROUND FACADE AGREEMENTS.
BUT MOST OF THIS THAT YOU SEE IS NOT JUST THE FACADE.
THIS STARTS TO CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE OPERATE.
THE WAY THE PARKING IS, IS LAID OUT.
IT MIGHT EVEN ENTAIL ADDING A PORTION OF A BUILDING TO BRING THAT OUT CLOSER TO STREET.
THERE'S LOTS OF CHOICES THERE.
AND I'D SAY THE TOOLBOX IS FAIRLY DEEP IN TERMS OF THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE CAN BRING IN TERMS OF SALES TAX RELIEF AND REBATES IN TERMS OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES THROUGH THE DDC ITSELF.
WE HAVE A PRETTY ROBUST TOOLBOX TO USE AS WE START TO IN, IN INCENT AND LOOK AT WAYS TO CHANGE PROPERTIES THAT PRESENT CHALLENGES.
UM, WE'LL ALSO HAVE THOSE FOR LARGER PROPERTIES AS WELL.
UM, ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO SET THE TONE WITH THIS IS TO ENGAGE INTO SOME SIGNIFICANT SEMINAL, UH, DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT, THAT PROVE UP THE MARKET, IF YOU WILL, UH, IN ITS OVERALL SIZE AND ITS OVERALL COMPLEXITY THAT WE REFER TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLEX PROJECTS THAT ARE GONNA CREATE ALLEYWAYS AND YOU TURN AROUND AND SAY THEY DID THAT.
THAT'S, THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE NOW, NOW I SEE IT.
UM, WE'RE CURRENTLY COURTING THREE OR FOUR OF THOSE PROJECTS, UM, WHO HAVE AN INTEREST IN THE CORRIDOR AND, AND MAKING THESE THINGS COME TO FRUITION.
AND THESE ARE THE, THESE ARE THE DESIGN STANDARDS WE'RE SHARING WITH THEM NOW TO SAY, UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
IF THIS ISN'T, IF THIS ISN'T WHERE YOU WANT TO BE, THIS ISN'T THE PLACE YOU WANNA BE TALKING ABOUT.
SO YES, I THINK TO YOUR QUESTION, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP PROMISE.
DON'T MAKE PROMISES YOU CAN'T KEEP I PROMISE.
SO THERE'S A GRANT COMING OUT.
THERE'S A NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY COMING OUT, UH, NEXT MONTH.
SO STAFF, PLEASE BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR THAT BECAUSE THIS PARTICULAR CORRIDOR WOULD DEFINITELY QUALIFY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO JUST THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN MOVE THE NEEDLE FORWARD ON THIS PLAN.
IT'S FYI, WE HAVE BEEN AUTHORIZED BY COUNCIL.
WE HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF A SAFE STREET FOR ALL WE'VE BEEN AWARDED, UH, 200,000.
THERE'S ANOTHER ONE COMING OUT.
AND GO BIG 200,000 IS WE WANT BIG GO BIG OR GO HOME, RIGHT?
MR. REVEREND, I DID HAVE A QUESTION AROUND THE COLOR PALETTE, BUT BASED ON YOUR INTERACTION WITH COMMISSIONER ELLI, I'M GONNA REPHRASE MY QUESTION.
I JUST WANT TO KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COLOR PALETTE, WOULD THESE BE CONSIDERED CLASSIC COLORS THAT COULD STAND THE TEST OF TIME? I GUESS THAT DEPENDS ON YOUR VIEW ABOUT WHAT IS CLASSIC, RIGHT? UM, WHICH I THINK IS MAYBE A BIT SUBJECTIVE.
UH, WE MIGHT HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THEY'RE CLASSIC IN THE SENSE IN THAT WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH HERE IS, IS BASIC EARTH TONES.
YOU'VE GOT A RANGE FROM KIND OF HIGH LIKE LIGHTER COLORS TO DARKER COLORS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE MAKING, WE'RE PUSHING FOR EVERYTHING TO BE ON ONE END OF THE SPECTRUM, RIGHT? SO WE'VE GOT A VARIETY, WE'VE GOT, WE'VE GOT COLORS THAT WE'VE SEEN USED IN BUILDINGS OF A VARIETY OF
[01:35:01]
DIFFERENT MATERIALS, UM, AND EXPRESSED WELL.AND SO, YOU KNOW, I I FEEL, UH, I FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT WITH THE ADDITION OF UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S EVEN MORE FLEXIBILITY THAN THE JUST THESE OPTIONS, RIGHT? WE WANT, AGAIN, WANT TO HAVE ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY BUILT INTO THIS CODE TO WHERE IF IT'S IN THE FAMILY OF THESE COLORS, WE CAN STILL ALLOW IT.
SO, UM, EARTH TONES, I THINK, YEAH, I THINK THEY HAVE STOOD THE TEST OF TIME.
UM, WE CAN POINT TO LOTS OF GREAT URBAN ENVIRONMENTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE HEAVY IN EARTH TONE THAT HAVE BEEN, UM, SUCCESSFUL AND ARE TODAY.
ALRIGHT COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, LA GROUND HERE AND SEE NONE.
YEAH, I GUESS I WOULD LIKE, SO, UH, HAVE YOU HAD ENOUGH INFORMATION PROVIDED TO YOU? ARE YOU GONNA BE READY FOR YOUR NEXT TIME TO SEE THIS, TO BE THAT FEBRUARY 13TH PUBLIC HEARING, OR YOU FEEL YOU NEED MORE DISCUSSIONS AMONGST YOURSELVES AT YOUR, YOU HAVE ANOTHER MEETING THIS MONTH? UH, THE CONSULTANTS I DON'T THINK ARE, IT'S NOT ON THEIR SCHEDULE TO BE HERE, BUT DID YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT YOURSELF SOME MORE AT YOUR SECOND MEETING OF THIS MONTH? ARE YOU READY FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER? THIS IS ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT IN, UH, FEBRUARY THE 13TH.
I, I HAVE SOMETHING I WANNA SAY, BUT FIRST I'LL START TO MY RIGHT.
UH, MR. BELL, YOU HEARD MR. BREWER, DO YOU THINK THAT YOU PERSONALLY ARE READY TO MOVE FORWARD ON FEBRUARY 13TH? YES, I THINK I'D BE READY.
MS. CAESAR, SAME QUESTION, MR. RAVEN.
YES, MS. BROOKS? I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THEY WERE ABLE TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THE INPUT FROM PNZ FIRST.
SO THE MAJORITY, AND I WILL, I'LL SAY THIS, I PERSONALLY AM GOOD, BUT, BUT, UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF CAVEATS.
FIRST OF ALL, MR. BREWER, I THINK YOU HAD AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION AND I THINK SOMETIMES WHAT HAPPENS IN MEETINGS, WE SAY SOMETHING AND THEN IT KIND OF DIES ON THE FLOOR AND THEN WE DON'T REVISIT IT.
I THINK YOUR SUGGESTION IN TERMS OF TRYING TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING OF CITY COUNCIL, P-N-Z-D-D-C AND, AND, AND THE ZONE OF BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT SUGGESTION, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY ARE GONNA PROBABLY BE CALLED UPON, UH, TO DISCUSS VARIANCES AT SOME POINT.
AND THEY, I DON'T THINK, TO MY KNOWLEDGE THEY'VE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE CONVERSATION.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD CHARGE YOU AND YOUR DEPARTMENT TO SEE IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.
IF MAYBE WE CAN POSSIBLY HAVE A JOINT SESSION OF ALL FOUR BODIES.
AND WHAT I WILL DO IS COMMUNICATE THAT TO OUR INTERIM CITY MANAGER IS CAMERON, WHO WILL THEN COMMUNICATE WITH THE MAYOR AND I'LL TAKE DIRECTIONS AFTER I HEAR FROM THEM.
THE, ON THE ONLY OTHER THING, UH, THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED AND I'M, I'M DEFINITELY NOT GONNA PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT AND I KNOW IT HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REVISIT IT BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT.
AND AGAIN, LET ME JUST SAY THIS AS, AS WE GET READY TO WRAP, WRAP THIS UP.
FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, UH, TO EVERYBODY WHO'S BEEN PART OF THIS PROCESS, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF HARD WORK THAT HAS GONE INTO THIS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.
THANK YOU FOR, FOR PROVIDING US A DRAFT FOR THE CODE.
UH, JUST THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
I MEAN, I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT PROJECT.
UH, THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAD THAT I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO REVISIT IS TRAFFIC.
UH, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED THAT, AT LEAST I HAVEN'T BEEN A PART OF DISCUSSION IN A WHILE IN TERMS OF, 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA CHANGE HAMPTON ROAD, YOU KNOW, FROM A MULTI-LANE, YOU KNOW, ROAD IN EACH DIRECTION TO A ONE LANE ROAD IN EACH DIRECTION AND KIND OF WANNA JUST HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW IS THAT GOING TO LOOK.
I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDIRECT TO OTHER ARTERIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT.
UH, AGAIN, NOT PUTTING ANYBODY ON THE SPOT TONIGHT 'CAUSE UH, THAT PROBABLY WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WERE INTENDING TO DISCUSS, UH, BUT AT LEAST BY OR BEFORE THE 13TH, IF WE COULD REVISIT THAT.
SO WE CAN HAVE ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA, BRING BACK A COPY OF THE, UH, HAMPTON ROAD DESIGNED TO HELP YOU TO SEE WHAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT LAYOUT IS.
WE WON'T HAVE THE CONSULTANTS HERE, BUT WE CAN IDENTIFY TO YOU WHAT THAT PROJECT IS ABOUT.
LET YOU SEE WHAT THE LANE SIZES, WHERE'S IT GONNA BE VARIED, BUT YEAH, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY THE DESIGN BUT ALSO ANY STUDIES THAT ACCOMPANY DESIGN IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC FLOW.
'CAUSE ONCE, ONCE WE HAVE A A ING ROAD GOING ONE LANE IN EACH DIRECTION, TRAFFIC FLOW IS GONNA HAVE TO BE DIVERTED TO OTHER ARTERIES.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ER HILL, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POLK.
I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING.
SO IF WE COULD JUST HAVE A MORE ROBUST DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO GO.
WE'LL BRING YOU SOMETHING BACK AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE MR. BREWER THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.
SEE WE'VE GONE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE WORLD.
[01:40:01]
TO THE, AN TO, TO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, IT SOUNDS LIKE WITH SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS YES, WE ARE PREPARED TO VOTE ON FEBRUARY 13TH, THAT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING.BUT YOU WANT ME TO BRING BACK TO YOUR NEXT MEETING INFORMATION DEALING WITH TRAFFIC? YES.
NOT NECESSARILY THIS ON THE AGENDA, BUT SOMETHING DEALING WITH THE HAMPTON ROAD PROJECT ITSELF.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE NEED THAT INFORMATION BEFORE WE TAKE OUR VOTE AT THE PUBLIC HEARING OR ARE YOU SAYING WE CAN TAKE THAT AFTER, OR, I'M JUST TRYING TO FOLLOW THAT HAS NOTHING IN A SENSE, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE, UNLESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ARTERIAL ROADS OR YOU THINK THAT'S IMPACTING SOME OF THESE ROADS THAT THEY'RE SHOWING HERE.
AND I APOLOGIZE IF, IF, IF I'M NOT BEING CLEAR, WHAT WHAT I'M SAYING IS BE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD AND, AND THE, AGAIN, I'M ONLY ONE VOICE OUTTA SEVEN.
UH, SO THE, THE MAJORITY MAY DISAGREE, BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO REVISIT ON THE PERSONAL LEVEL, THE TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, THAT'S GONNA GO ALONG.
WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA PRESUMABLY APPROVE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE HEADING IN THAT DIRECTION, THE CHARACTER CODE.
BUT BEFORE WE DO SO IF WE COULD REVISIT, UH, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC, EITHER STUDIES OR DESIGNS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, UH, THAT BASICALLY IS GOING TO ACCOMMODATE HAMPTON ROAD BEING REDUC REDUCED IN TERMS OF CAPACITY TRAFFIC IS GONNA HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.
SO BASICALLY FOR ME PERSONALLY, BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT ON THE 13TH, I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW WHERE THAT TRAFFIC'S GONNA GO BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN STUDIES, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSIONS.
IF WE COULD JUST REVISIT THAT.
AND THAT'S WHY THAT IS SEPARATE THAN THIS CHARACTER CODE.
WE CAN BRING YOU BACK INFORMATION THAT ANY STUDIES THAT WERE DONE DEALING WITH THE HAMPTON ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
'CAUSE I'M SURE THEY LOOKED INTO THE IMPACT OF REDUCING IT FROM TWO LANES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS TO ONE.
OH, SO ARE WE, NO, I THINK, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING HIM SAY
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? WELL, LET ME ASK YOU MS. BREWER, WHEN DO YOU THINK YOU CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE? CAN YOU HAVE IT TO US BY BEFORE THE 13TH? I'M ASSUMING, I'M ASSUMING I'M GONNA HAVE IT TO YOU AT YOUR NEXT MEETING.
I'M ASSUMING THAT HALF THE OTHER SECTION OF HALF WHO IS DOING THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE ROAD THEMSELVES HAVE DONE SOME TYPE OF ANALYSIS AND GIVEN IT TO THE CITY TO KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT IS GONNA BE.
OUR NEXT MEETING IS THE 13TH, THAT'S THE SECOND TOO.
SO THAT IS OUR NEXT MEETING, THE 13TH.
SO, SO THE QUESTION IS, WILL YOU HAVE IT, DO YOU BELIEVE YOU'LL HAVE IT AVAILABLE AT, ON THE 13TH OF FEBRUARY PRIOR TO THAT? I MEAN, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU IF YOU WANT AN EMAIL.
ARE YOU TRYING TO HAVE DISCUSSION ON IT? NO, FOR MY, FOR MY PURPOSES, UNLESS OTHER COMMISSIONERS DISAGREE, IF YOU COULD SIMPLY EMAIL IT TO US PRIOR TO THAT MEETING YES.
THEN WE WILL BE PREPARED TO VOTE.
UNLESS I, UNLESS I'M HEARING OTHERWISE AT, AT THE 13TH MEETING.
I'LL PROVIDE YOU AN EMAIL TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THE CITY HAS THROUGH ITS CONSULTANTS OR DON'T HAVE THROUGH ITS CONSULTANTS.
AND THANK YOU MR. DALE AND MS. BROOKS, GO AHEAD.
I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST WE GET A COPY OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WAS DONE PRIOR TO OUR NEXT MEETING.
QUESTIONS THE DISCUSSION IS ABOUT YEAH, I THINK, OH, NO, GO AHEAD.
JUST, JUST, SO, 'CAUSE THIS IS A, THIS IS A PUBLIC MEETING, SO MR. DALE, GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION.
MS. BROOKS, GIVE YOUR RESPONSE.
I WAS JUST WANTING TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS COMMISSIONER BROOKS, UM, THE THINGS THAT SHE SAID SHE NEEDED TO HAVE BEFORE SHE, UH, WAS ABLE TO VOTE.
AND I WAS WANTING TO KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA BE OKAY.
YEAH, I THINK WHAT I'M REQUESTING IS SOME PRIOR DISCUSSION TO SAY WE LOOKED AT YOUR INPUT, HERE'S WHERE WE CAN INCORPORATE IT INTO THE PLAN, OR HERE'S WHERE WE CANNOT INCORPORATE IT INTO THE PLAN AND HERE'S WHY.
SO I GUESS IF THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT TO YOU ON THE 13TH.
SO THEY WILL PROVIDE THAT WHEN THEY GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION AT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THESE ARE THE REVISES REVISIONS AND THIS IS WHAT, UH, THEY HEARD FROM YOU AND THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING TO YOU.
IT'LL BE IN THE AGENDA PACKET BEFORE THE MEETING SO YOU'LL KNOW BEFORE WE MM-HMM.
[01:45:01]
YES.ALRIGHT, SO IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET THERE, BUT WE'RE THERE.
SO, UH, ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU EVERYBODY WHO, UH, WHO'S PARTICIPATING, UH, WHO HAS HAD A HAND IN GETTING US TO THIS POINT.
THIS IS AN EXCITING TIME AND AN EXCITING PROJECT FOR THE CITY TO SETTLE.
UH, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON, UH, WITH THE, UH, REST OF OUR AGENDA.
WE'RE GOING TO, UH, GET INTO ANOTHER ITEM THAT WE HAVE ON THE REGULAR AGENDA.
UH, BUT BEFORE I DO, SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS.
WE DO HAVE, UH, THE FINAL THING WE HAVE BEFORE WE ADJOURN IS A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THAT'S GONNA BE UNDER FF ONE.
WE'RE GONNA CONSIDER THIS FIRST ITEM UNDER E TWO FIRST, BUT IF THERE'S ANYBODY ON THE, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD, UH, WHEN WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO MY LEFT, UH, IS MR. TRENT CARROLL.
IF YOU WILL GET A COMMENT CARD FROM HIM, IF YOU'LL FILL OUT YOUR NAME AND INFORMATION AND ALSO INDICATE WHETHER YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.
AND AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME WHEN WE OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE HEARD, UH, YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES, UH, TO, UH, SAY YOUR PIECE.
[2. Consider making a recommendation to the City Council on the applicant's request to revise the Preliminary Plat of Homestead at Daniel Farms Phase 3 (previously approved by the City Council on July 19, 2022). This 35.6-acre tract of land is legally described as being Tracts 9.6 and 9.7 in the Nel A. Ayers Survey, Abstract 11 and generally located south of W. Danieldale Road and west of N. Westmoreland Road (920 W. Danieldale Road and 2051 N. Westmoreland Road). The property owner is Wildwood Development Co. LTD and the applicant is Wildwood Development 1, LTD. (Case No. PP-345-24) ]
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM E TWO.WELL, NO, E ONE WAS, UH, THE, UH, CHARACTER CODE.
SO, SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO E TWO, UH, WHICH IS CONSIDERED MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REVISE THE PRELIMINARY PLAN OF HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL FARMS PHASE THREE, PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON JULY 19TH, 2022.
UH, THIS 35.6 ACRE TRACK OF LAND IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING TRACKED.
9.6 AT 9.7 IN THE NAIL, A AIR SURVEY ABSTRACT 11, AND GENERALLY GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF WEST DANIELDALE ROAD AND WEST OF NORTH WESTMORELAND ROAD, UH, NINE 20 WEST DANIELDALE ROAD AND THE 2051 NORTHWEST MOLAND ROAD.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY LTD, AND THE APPLICANT IS WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT ONE LTD.
AND THIS IS CASE NUMBER PP DASH 3 4 5 DASH 24 AT MR. BREWER, MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES, COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO JUST REMIND YOU THE FIRST SLIDES, I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO DETAIL BECAUSE WE ARE ACTUALLY CONTINUING OR FOLLOWING UP SOMETHING WE STARTED WITH YOU BACK IN OCTOBER.
THIS WAS THE, UH, PRELIMINARY REVISION OF THE PRELIMINARY PLA THAT WE WERE PLACED ON THREE OF YOUR MEETING AGENDAS STARTING IN OCTOBER, BOTH OF YOUR MEETINGS IN OCTOBER.
UH, THEN WE HAD A, A, THE FINAL PROPOSED CONTINUATION IN NOVEMBER.
AND AT THAT POINT, THE APPLICANT REQUESTED TO RESCIND OR REMOVE HIS SUBMITTED PRELIMINARY PLAT.
WHAT HAS HAPPENED SINCE THEN? THIS MONTH WE HAVE RECEIVED A REVISED UPDATED PLAT.
SO I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO REAL DEPTH HISTORY UNLESS YOU DESIRE ME TO, BECAUSE NOTHING HAS CHANGED OTHER THAN NOW I HAVE A NEW PRELIMINARY PLAT.
IT'S BEEN REVIEWED, IT'S MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
BUT I'M GONNA GIVE YOU, LIKE I SAID, A LITTLE HISTORY.
UM, AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL DALE'S FARM.
UH, AS YOU RECALL, THIS DEVELOPMENT ENTAILS BOTH A PHASE ONE THAT'S TOTALLY CONSTRUCTED, PHASE TWO THAT WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION LAST YEAR.
AND THIS PHASE THREE, ALL PHASES ONE, TWO, AND THREE WE'RE PROPOSING 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS LAST YEAR.
UH, WILDWOOD REQUESTED TO CHANGE THE WESTERN SECTION OF PHASE THREE IN ORDER TO BE SIMILAR TO WHAT THE CITY HAS APPROVED FOR HIS HOMESTEAD EAST, WHICH ARE HIS PHASES ONE AND TWO THAT BORDER ON THE SIDE OF NORTHWEST MORELAND.
UH, THAT ZONING CASE, WHICH IS A PD AMENDMENT, CAME TO YOU, UH, UH, BY VOTE.
YOU RECOMMENDED TO SEND A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
WENT TO THE COUNCIL, THE COUNCIL APPROVED IT, AND THAT WAS TO INCREASE THE DENSITY ON THAT WEST SIDE TO INCREASE IT FROM 27 LOTS.
AND I THINK THE NUMBER WAS 35 LOTS TO INCREASE THE DENSITY, CHANGE THE ZONING FROM SF 10 TO SF EIGHT WITH A DEVIATION TO GET APPROVED FOR EVEN SMALLER LOTS THAN A SF EIGHT, WHICH IS AN 8,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT.
IT WAS APPROVED TO HAVE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOT TO BE COMPARABLE TO EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY HAD APPROVED ON THE EAST SIDE.
AFTER THAT APPROVAL, A PRELIMINARY PLAT WAS PRESENTED THAT SHOWED, UH, THE, THE INITIAL LOTS, WHICH WAS THE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS THAT WAS APPROVED BY YOU.
IT WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY YOU WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, IT WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND THEN AGAIN, THEY CAME BACK WITH REQUEST THE DENSITY CHANGE.
AND NOW WE ARE AT THAT POINT TO GET THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT REVISED TO SHOW THE INCREASED DENSITY ON THE WESTERN SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
[01:50:01]
THE TOTAL NUMBER IS STILL GOING TO BE ONE 14.UH, I EVEN HAD TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO TRY TO FIND OUT WAS THERE GONNA BE A NEED TO TRY TO MAKE THE DEVELOPER GO BACK AND REVISE THAT PD AGAIN FOR ANY REASON.
BUT SINCE ONE 14 WAS THE FINAL NUMBER, HIS CHANGE OF DENSITY ON THAT WEST SIDE AND DECREASING IT ON THAT EAST SIDE OF THE WEST STILL REMAINED ONE 14.
SO OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE HAS ADVISED ALL WE NEEDED TO STILL BRING IS THE PRELIMINARY PLA TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW FOR THE INITIAL RECOMMENDATION, AND IT WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO AGAIN, I'M NOT GONNA, UM, THIS IS THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED WITH AN ORIGINAL PD BACK IN 2020.
THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN THAT, UH, THAT WAS CREATED FOR THIS PHASE THREE IN FEBRUARY, 2022.
AND AS I SAID, ALL OF THESE LAWS BOTH ON THE WESTERN SECTION AND THE EASTERN SECTION ALL ARE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY IT SHOWS 80 FEET BY 1 25.
YOU MULTIPLY THAT, THAT'S 10,000 SQUARE FEET.
AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS SHOWING A COMBINATION BETWEEN THE WESTERN SIDE AND THE EASTERN SIDE, A TOTAL OF 103 LOTS.
SO FOLLOWING THAT IN JULY, 2022, THIS IS THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT HAS COME BEFORE YOUR BOARD.
YOU RECOMMENDED APPROVAL, IT WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND WAS OFFICIALLY APPROVED JULY 19TH, 2022.
THIS IS THE INFORMATION, UH, THAT I HAVE INCLUDED AGAIN IN YOUR PACKAGE TO TALK ABOUT THE APPLICANT COMING BACK AND REQUESTING DENSITY INCREASES.
UH, THIS MAP WAS SHOWING WHAT HAD BEEN 110,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, INCREASED DENSITIES TO 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, AND THE NUMBER INCREASED FROM 27 TO 35.
UM, DURING THAT SAME PROCESS, THE APPLICANT CAME BACK AND, AND ACTUALLY INDICATED THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER CHANGE, WANTING TO CHANGE IT FROM, UM, PROPERTY WIDTH OF 60 FEET BY 110 FEET.
AND ALSO AT THAT TIME WANTED TO ACTUALLY CHANGE THE LAYOUT.
THE THE SIGNS, THE PLUS YOU SAW BEFORE.
THE PLANS YOU SAW BEFORE SHOWED A ONE-WAY ENTRANCE COMING OUT OF THIS PHASE TWO.
AND IT WAS SHOWING CUL-DE-SAC DOWN HERE.
AND A PART OF THIS REQUEST THAT CAME TO YOU BACK IN THE SUMMER WAS INCREASING THE DENSITY, THE NUMBER OF LOTS FROM 27 TO 35 PLUS DO A STUB STREET FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF THIS PROPERTY IN THE FUTURE.
SO THIS IS A REVISED PLAT, UM, THAT HAS NOW BEEN PRESENTED TO STAFF, UH, THIS MONTH AND THE DENSITY HAS INCREASED, BUT THE TOTAL NUMBER IS GOING TO REMAIN ONE 14.
SINCE THAT PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHAT HAD BEEN SOME COMMON SPACE IN THIS AREA, UH, THE DEVELOPER HAS ADDED, UH, TWO LOTS.
SO ON THIS WEST SIDE IT IS SHOWING 38 LOTS.
THE WEST SIDE HAS DECREASED IT, UH, FROM, I BELIEVE IT'S 77, 76.
THESE ARE 10,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS.
THESE ARE 6,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS, BUT THE TOTAL NUMBER STILL REMAINS ONE 14.
AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE YOU A SITE, UH, REFERENCE, UH, THIS SHOWS WHAT CAD, HOW THESE ARE TWO BROKEN TRACKS OF LAND, SEPARATE TRACKS OF LAND.
UH, AGAIN, THE ZONING, UH, THIS IS A, UM, PD ONE 60, THAT'S PHASE ONE.
PHASE THREE IS THAT CORNER AND THAT CORNER.
AND THIS IS EAST RIGHT HERE NEXT TO, UH, NORTH HAMPTON.
SO STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING IS UNDER COMMISSION.
MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REVISE THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED PRELIMINARY PLAT OF HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL DALE'S PHASE THREE WITH TWO CONDITIONS IN NOTE ONE, EXCUSE ME, IN NOTE FIVE.
THIS IS THE SAME FLAG WE GAVE TO YOU LAST TIME TO WHERE HE WAS INCLUDING A NOTE THAT WAS PLACING THE, UH, MAINTENANCE AND AND OWNERSHIP RESPONSIBILITIES OF ALL THE COMMON LOTS WITH THE CITY OF DESOTO PARKS DEPARTMENT.
AND SO HERE WE ARE SAYING IT NEEDS TO CHANGE FROM THE PARKS DEPARTMENT TO THE HOA AND THEN IN THE TITLE BOX, UH, IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE, UH, THE IDENTIFICATION OF THE LOTS, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS MISSING HERE.
TELL US ABOUT WHAT LOTS ARE IN, UM, HERE.
BLOCK L IS ONE THROUGH 18, COMMON LOT ARE THE ONES WITH THE X BEHIND IT AND, AND ET CETERA.
UH, WE DID, I DID, UH, ACTUALLY TEXT,
[01:55:01]
UH, THE REPRESENTATIVE AND THEY INDICATED THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE OKAY, AT LEAST AT THAT POINT THE REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE.YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT TO ASK THEM QUESTION, BUT IT WAS DRAWN BY LICENSE SURVEYOR MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY SUBDIVISION REGULATION, ORDINANCE, ZONING ORDINANCE, AND THE PD.
AND SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL.
I'LL ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU WILL HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BREWER? MR. SHELEY, DID THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE CHANGE OR WAS THAT AN UNDERSTOOD CHANGE IN NUMBER ONE, THE, THE CONDITION TO MOVE THE MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FROM THE CITY, CITY TO THE HOA? WAS THAT ALWAYS PART OF, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN? I'M ASKING ABOUT, UM, THE CONDITION OF NUMBER ONE.
WAS THAT ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD OR DID THEY, DOES WILDWOOD HAVE ANY CONCERN ABOUT MOVING THAT TO THE HOA THAT RESPONSIBILITY, MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY? STEVEN IS HERE IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK THEM SPECIFICALLY, BUT THERE STILL IS ANOTHER CAVEAT.
THE CITY DOES HAVE A PIED SET UP WITH THEM THAT IS GOING TO ESTABLISH CERTAIN AREAS WITHIN THIS ENTIRE SUBDIVISION AS TO BE CITY OF DESOTO OWNED PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT A TRAIL THROUGH THIS PROPERTY.
BUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS THE EXACT ROUTE, THE ROUTE HASN'T BEEN PURELY DEFINED.
SO AS COMMON PROPERTY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE SAYING THE LEASE NEEDS TO BE THE HOA, IT CAN'T JUST BE BLANK AND NOT ADDRESSED, BUT IT CERTAINLY WON'T BE CITY OF DESOTO.
BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER AREAS COMING OUT OF TWO, COMING OUT OF ONE, GOING INTO TWO, CUTTING OVER TWO EAST, TWO TO COMING DOWN, UM, WEST MOLAND, WEST ONE, AS WE'VE TENTATIVELY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT PROJECT OFF OF WINTER, GREEN TRYING TO GET CONNECTIVITY TO THERE, BUT THEIR OBLIGATION IS JUST GETTING DOWN TO EAST ONE.
SO TO ME, THIS AREA IN THREE IS OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A PUBLIC WALKWAY ASSOCIATED WITH THEIR OBLIGATION WITH THE PIT OKAY.
COMMISSIONER, THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BREWER? MR. CHAIR? MS. C, PLEASE.
MR. BO, YOU SAID THEY ARE REQUIRING A TRAIL.
IS THAT WILDWOOD OR CITY OF DESOTO? CITY.
YOU REMEMBER WE HAVE A, A PARK DEDICATION LAND REQUIREMENT THAT REQUIRES, THAT ALLOWS THE DEVELOPER TO EITHER DONATE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LAND FOR PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS OR, OR TRAILS OR PAY THE MONEY.
AND A PART OF THEIR, UM, AGREEMENT WAS SETTING UP THIS WALKING TRAIL AND TO ASSURE THAT IT WAS GONNA HAPPEN.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS P UH, GOT REQUIRED ON THEM.
IT'S GONNA GIVE THEM SOME REFUND FOR CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS, BUT IT HAS LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT THE WALKING TRAIL.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SEEING NONE.
ARE WE READY, UH, TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? UH, YES.
I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE, UH, APPROVE CASE PP 3 4 5 DASH 24 AS PRESENTED BY STAFF WITH THE FOLLOWING TWO CONDITIONS THAT THEY REPLACED THE NAME OF THE RESPONSIVE PARTY, OWNING AND MAINTAINING THE LOTS AS DESIGNATED BY STAFF FROM THE CITY OF PARKS DEPARTMENT TO THE HOA AND SECONDLY IN THE TITLE BOX SECTION AT THE BLOCK.
AND LOT NUMBER OF THOSE, UM, LOTS THAT WERE LISTED, UH, BY STAFF.
MOTIONS BEEN MADE BY MR. RAVENELL.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. CHAIR, PLEASE.
IT'S BEEN SECONDED BY MS. CAESAR.
IS THERE ANY UNDER READINESS OR FURTHER DISCUSSION? HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT A AND SAY AYE.
[1. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council on a request for zoning change from Planned Development-20 (PD-20) with General Retail as base zoning to a new Planned Development with Single Family-10 (SF-10) base zoning with alley provision deviation. The properties consist of approximately 3.67 acres of land legally described as being Lots 1-13, Block 4, Rolling Hills 1 Addition. The applicant is Charles Courtland, the lots have multiple ownership. (Case No. Z-1511-23).]
THE LAST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, WHICH IS ITEM F1.IT SAYS, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY, UH, COUNCIL ON A REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGE FOR PLAN DEVELOPMENT 20 PD 20 WITH GENERAL RETAIL AS BASE ZONING TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH SINGLE FAMILY 10 S OF 10 BASED ZONING WITH ALL ALLEY PROVISIONS DEVIATION.
THE PROPERTIES CONSIST OF APPROXIMATELY 3.67 ACRES OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LOTS ONE THROUGH 13.
[02:00:01]
ROLAND HILL, ONE EDITION.THE APPLICANT IS CHARLES CORTLAND.
THE LOTS HAVE MULTIPLE OWNERSHIP.
THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z DASH 15 ONE DASH 23.
MS. ZI, MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS, UM,
CASE NUMBER C 15 11 23 SAYS ZONING CHANGE REQUEST FROM PD 20 TO A NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH SINGLE FAMILY, 10 BASED ZONING AND EARLY DEVIATION, EARLY PROVISION DEVIATION.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY ZONE P
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF GANNON LANE AND ON THE WEST SIDE OF WINTERGREEN COURT.
THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF 3.67 ACRES OF LAND AND THIS IS THE AREA AND LO VICINITY MAP.
AND THE AREA THAT IS HIGHLIGHTED IN RED ARE THE PROPERTIES THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND TO THE NORTH IS VACANT LAND AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ZONED SINGLE FAMILY 10 TO THE SOUTHEAST VACANT LAND IN A CHURCH ZONED PD 20 TO THE EAST.
VACANT LAND ZONED PD 20 AND TO THE WEST IS VACANT LAND, ZONED INDUSTRIAL.
THE FUTURE LAND IS PLAN OF 2015.
COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR OFFICE RETAIL USES AND THE PROPOSED, THE PROPOSED SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE FUTURE END USE PLAN OF THE 2015 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE PROPERTY HAS ACCESS FROM NAN LANE AND NAN LANE IS A LOCAL ROAD THAT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE 2015 MASTER PLAN.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 13 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LAWS WITH J SWING GARAGES AND IS SEEKING TO DEVIATE FROM ARI PROVISION, WHICH IS FOUND IN SECTION 38.2 D OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE ZONING CASE SINCE THEY'RE ADJOINING USES ON THE NORTH SIDE OF CANON LAND.
WERE REASON FROM PD 20 TO SINGLE FAMILY 10 IN 2018.
THERE ARE ALSO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL HOMES LOCATED ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SUBJECT SIDE.
THE SUBJECT LOTS ARE CURRENTLY PLOTTED RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
THE PROPOSED HOMES WILL ALSO NOT HAVE ANY GARAGES FRONTING OR OPENING.
THAT FACE WILL OPEN TO THE FRONT OF THE LOT OR THE STREET OR THE GARAGES WILL BE SIDE OR J SWING GARAGES.
THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE DRIVE THE DRIVEWAYS ARE RIGHT HERE AND UM, THE GARAGES ARE ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE BACK OF THE PROPERTIES.
OH, THESE ARE THE GARAGE, THE DRIVEWAYS AND THE, UH, GARAGES PROPOSED TO BE THE BACK SIDE OF THE PRO LOTS.
AND ON DECEMBER, 2020 4, 20 23 AND PUBLIC NOTIFICATION APPEARED IN THE DAILY FOCUS NEWS AND STAFF EMAIL STAFF MAILED 59 NOTIFICATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
THERE WERE NO LETTERS RECEIVED IN FAVOR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE ZONING CHANGE FROM PLAN DEVELOPMENT 2020.
NEW PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH SINGLE FAMILIES BASED ZONING IS SUBMITTED AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE.
I WANNA ADD A LITTLE SOMETHING ELSE TO IT.
COMMISSIONER, I WANT TO ADD A LITTLE, JUST A LITTLE FURTHER INFORMATION.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THIS PD 20, IT'S A BIG MONSTER AREA.
IT, IT HAS PROPERTY ALONG THE FRONTAGE ROAD.
SO WHEN THAT ORIGINAL PD WAS UH, CREATED, IT ACTUALLY HAD IT EXCLUDED.
THIS SECTION HERE, THERE'S LANGUAGE IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THAT ALL OF THESE PLATTED LOTS WERE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE AS RESIDENTIAL LOTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE WAS GONNA BE COMMERCIAL.
THEN AN APPLICANT CAME BACK TO THE CITY AND HAD A ZONING CHANGE REQUEST TO ACTUALLY TRY TO REZO TO PULL THESE OUT OF THAT PD.
AND THAT'S WHY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ZONING MAP, THOSE LOTS ARE NOW REZONED SF 10.
[02:05:03]
SO AT THE TIME THAT COUNCIL SUPPORTED WHERE THESE ARE ALREADY BUILT OUT, SO WE ARE GONNA ALLOW THIS APPLICANT TO NOW BUILD THIS OUT.SO NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER GROUP OF CO-OWNERS, IT'S ABOUT FOUR THAT ARE INVOLVED WITH THESE 13 LOTS ARE NOW COMING BACK AND REALLY TAKING INTO POSITION.
ALL OF THESE ARE ALREADY PLATTED LOTS.
YOU HAVE SINGLE FAMILY LOTS ACROSS THE STREET AND BEHIND THIS NEXT STREET HERE, THIS PROPERTY DOWN HERE IS THE CHURCH.
SO THAT'S WHY STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF IT.
THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS FAR AS WATER'S ALREADY THERE, THE CITY DOESN'T PROVIDE WATER TO THIS AREA.
THIS IS AN AREA THAT IS PROVIDED BY ANOTHER WATER PROVIDER.
I DON'T KNOW IF ONE TIME IT WAS CONSIDERED UNINCORPORATED, UM, DALLAS COUNTY, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE CITY WATER.
THE HOMES THAT ARE UP THERE NOW THAT ARE OWNED, LIKE I SAY, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND TO THE NEXT STREET TO THE NORTH, THEY'RE ALL ON A SEPTIC SYSTEM.
THE DEVELOPER UNDERSTANDS HE'S GONNA HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH DALLAS COUNTY TO ENSURE THAT HIS LOTS ARE SIZED PROPERLY ENOUGH TO PUT IN A SYSTEM.
THE CITY'S NEAREST UM, SEW LINE ACTUALLY, UH, IS, IS DOWN IN THIS AREA HERE THAT THEY'D HAVE TO POP THE MANHOLE TO SEE IF THEY CAN GET A FALL, BUT IT'S STILL ALL ON THEM.
THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO SEPTIC TANKS.
SO STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF THIS BECAUSE WHAT HAS BEEN LAID OUT PRIOR TO THIS POINT, PLATTED LOTS AS SINGLE FAMILY CITY HAS ALLOWED STRAIGHT ZONING FOR THE PROPERTY.
DID YOU HAVE A ZONING MAP? YES.
THIS IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO.
CITY HAS ALLOWED THIS TO BE REZONED.
THIS HAD BEEN IN THIS SINGLE FAMILY, THIS UH, PD 20, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL ALLOWED THAT TO BE REZONED.
SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, UH, WE'RE SUPPORTING TO PULL THIS OUT NOW AND I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT TO KIND OF HELP BRING SOME LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION OF WHY WE'RE SUPPORTING IT.
EITHER MYSELF OR BE WOULD BE GLAD TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU HAVE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. AU? I WANTED TO THANK MS. VEST STER BECAUSE YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTIONS I HAD IN THE INFORMATION YOU SENT US PRIOR, SO THAT REALLY HELPS MAKE THE DECISION EASIER.
BUT BASED ON WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, YOU SAID WE DON'T HAVE WATER THERE.
DO THEY HAVE WELLS OR IS THIS JUST ANOTHER WATER? NO, THERE IS WATER.
IT'S ANOTHER WATER PROVIDER, NOT THE CITY OF DESOTO.
YOU'LL GO UP THERE, YOU CAN SEE FIRE HYDRANTS THAT ARE THERE.
UH, BUT IT'S NOT SANITARY SEWER.
OKAY? THOSE LOTS ACROSS THE STREET AND THE STREET ABOVE ARE ALL ON THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO APPARENTLY DALLAS COUNTY HAVE DEFINITELY ALLOWED THE SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THOSE OTHER LOTS.
AND ASSUMING THIS APPLICANT, THESE APPLICANTS HAVE DONE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE, WE HAVE FLAGGED WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT'S NOT THERE.
AND THAT'S PART OF THEIR DUE DILIGENCE.
SO IF, BECAUSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS REQUIRE QUITE A BIT OF, AND DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE AND EVERYTHING, THAT DEPENDS ON HOW LARGE THAT SEPTIC SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE.
IF WE APPROVE THIS AND THEY GO TO, UM, DALLAS COUNTY AND FIND OUT THAT THE LOT SIZES ARE NOT LARGE ENOUGH, THAT MEANS THEY WILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US IF THEY'RE TRYING TO STILL DEVELOP THIS PARTICULAR LAND.
NO, THE ZONING WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE.
YOUR ACTION DOES THE RECOMMENDATION.
IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL, WE'LL HAVE AN ORDINANCE WITH IT AND IF THEY APPROVE IT, IT'S A DONE DEAL.
THE MAP WILL BE CHANGED TO SHOW SF 10 HERE.
LEMME SEE IF I COULD ASK THE QUESTION DIFFERENTLY.
OKAY, SO IF THOSE 13 LOTS, IF THEY'RE NOT LARGE ENOUGH TO PUT IT BECAUSE HE HAD LIKE 2000 SQUARE FOOT HOMES AND THEN THE OTHER ONES WERE 2200 TO 2,500 SQUARE FOOT HOME AND THE LARGER THE HOME OR THE MORE BATHROOMS THEY HAVE, ET CETERA, THEY'RE GONNA REQUIRE DIFFERENT SIZE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF THEY FIND OUT THEY CAN'T PUT A SEPTIC SYSTEM ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT FOR THE SIZE OF THE HOME, UM, THEN WHAT THEY COME BACK TO REPLANT IF THEY NEED, IF THEY STILL WANTED TO BUILD THAT, I GUESS I'M TRYING TO SAY THERE'S NOTHING FOR US TO DO.
IF THEY, IF WE APPROVE IT, IT'S, IT'S JUST F'S UP TO THEM.
AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND CAN I INTERRUPT FOR A SECOND? STATE OF TEXAS DOESN'T LET YOU PUT IN A SEPTIC SYSTEM ANYMORE.
[02:10:02]
WHICH ARE TREATED WITH, UH, CHLORINE AND THEN THEY EITHER PUT IN A SMALL LEACH FIELD OR A SPRINKLER SYSTEM AND THAT IS PUMPED OUT JUST ON THE YARD.ACTUALLY, IT'S PURE ENOUGH THAT IT COULD BE POTABLE, BUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE STANDARD NOW ARE THE AEROBIC SYSTEMS. UH, SO THEY DON'T TAKE NEAR AS MUCH ROOM AS AN OLD SEPTIC SYSTEM THAT HAD TO HAVE A LARGE LEACH FIELD.
SO THAT'S PROBABLY, BUT THE, BUT THE REGULATOR, I DON'T SEE IT AS AN ISSUE, BUT THE REGULATOR OF THAT IS DALLAS COUNTY'S DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES.
THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THEM TO GET THAT PERMIT.
BUT AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS HERE, HE CAN SHARE WITH YOU WHAT DUE DILIGENCE HE'S DONE.
AND THE LAST QUESTION I HAD ON THAT SLIDE THAT YOU HAD WERE THE LOTS IN THE DRIVEWAYS.
AM I SEEING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT ALL OF THE, UH, GARAGES ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE HOUSE SWING.
BACK OR THE SIDE IS IT IS ON THE SIDE NOT COMING IN THE BACK.
PUT IT IN THE BACK OF THE IT'S IN THE BACK OF HOUSE.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. BREWER.
ALRIGHT, THE TIME IS NOW EIGHT 19, UH, PM WE'RE GONNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT OR ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OF THIS AGENDA ITEM OR IN OPPOSITION.
UH, NO ONE IS REQUIRED TO COME FORWARD, BUT WE DO LIKE TO EXTEND THE OPPORTUNITY, UH, FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER IN FAVOR OR AGAINST, UH, THIS AGENDA ITEM TO COME FORWARD AT THIS TIME.
SO IS THERE ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME? I'LL ASK ONE MORE TIME.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE, UH, OTHER THAN STAFF WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS AGENDA ITEM AT THIS TIME? OKAY, I SEE.
SEE A INDIVIDUAL COMING FORWARD.
SIR, IF YOU WILL, PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE PLEASE.
AND ARE YOU THE APPLICANT? I'M THAT.
IF YOU'LL GIVE US A CUT ON THE MICROPHONE.
UH, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND UH, GO AHEAD AND, UH, TELL US WHATEVER IT IS YOU WANT TO TELL US AND THEN YOU ALSO SUBJECT YOURSELF TO ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE.
MY NAME IS, UH, CORLAND CHARLES.
I LIVE IN DALLAS, TEXAS CURRENTLY.
UM, SIR, JUST TO ANSWER ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD ABOUT THE SEPTIC, I'VE WENT DOWN TO THE CITY OF DALLAS.
UM, THEIR REQUIREMENT WAS THAT THE LOTS NEEDED TO BE PLATTED BEFORE 1981 IF THAT, IF THEY'RE NOT OVER AN ACRE IN WHICH THESE ARE ABOUT 10 TO 12,000 SQUARE FEET.
UM, AND SO THE CITY OF DALLAS GAVE ME SOME PAPERWORK THAT SHOWED THAT THEY WERE PLATTED BEFORE 1960.
SO WE'RE GOOD TO DO SEPTIC TANK THERE.
UM, SO YOU ARE INTENDING TO DO SEPTIC AND NOT THE NEW SYSTEM THAT THE COMMISSIONER MAY.
WE'RE GONNA WAIVE BOTH OPTIONS, UM, TO SEE WHICH ONE MAKES THE MOST SENSE.
UM, I KNOW THERE'S A MANHOLE AND A SEWER JUST LOCATED SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY, SO WE PLAN TO LOOK AT BOTH OP OPTIONS.
UH, THERE ARE OTHER OWNERS OF THESE PARTICULAR, ARE YOU ALL WORKING AS A GROUP OF DEVELOPERS, UH, FOR THIS, THESE PROPERTIES? YES, SIR.
SO WE'RE ALL WORKING IN UNISON ON THIS.
UM, THERE'S ONE PARTICULAR BUILDER, WE'VE ALL COME TOGETHER AND CHOSE THE SAME PLAN, SO WE'RE GONNA KEEP IT VERY UNIFORM TOGETHER SO WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER, BUT I, I HAPPEN TO, UH, FIND THE SITE AND BRING EVERYBODY TOGETHER, SO I'M KIND OF SPEARHEADING IT.
ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? ALRIGHT, HEARING UNDERSTAND, NONE.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS AGENDA ITEM? AGAIN, I'LL ASK ONCE AGAIN, IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO BE HEARD EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF THIS AGENDA? ITEM, THIS BEING CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1511 DASH 23.
ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
WE WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THE HEARING, UH, PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:22 PM UH, COMMISSIONERS, UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT WE NEED TO ENTERTAIN BEFORE A MOTION? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SEEING NONE, IS THERE A MOTION WITH RESPECT TO CASE NUMBER Z DASH 15 ONE DASH 23? I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE CASE Z 1 15 1 DASH 23 AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IT'S BEEN MOVED BY SECOND COMMISSIONER LL AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BELL.
IS THERE ANY UNREADINESS HEARING AND SEEING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY
[02:15:01]
AYE.THOSE OPPOSED DO THE SAME AS SAY NAY.
UH, MR. BREWER, MS. M, MS. JORDAN WILLIAMS, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE CONSIDER ADJOURNING A MEETING? NO, SIR.
THAT, THAT DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A NO, SIR.
NOW I, I THINK I'M A PRETTY GOOD READER OF BODY LANGUAGE AND, AND FACIAL EXPRESSIONS.
I THINK, I THINK WE, WE NEED TO, UM, I THINK YOU RECEIVED AN EMAIL CONCERNING, UM, A JOINT MEETING ON THE, WHICH, ON THE 26TH WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND, UH, DDC WITH THE COUNCIL ON ACTUALLY ON, ON FRIDAY? YES.
LEMME SAY YOU'RE GETTING A LATE NOTICE.
THERE WAS A MEETING BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND DDC, UH, I THINK THE MONDAY PRIOR AND THE INFORMATION DIDN'T GET TO US.
IT DIDN'T GET TO US UNTIL THIS MONDAY THAT THAT DESIRE IS THERE.
YOU MAY OR MAY NOT CAN BE THERE.
THEY'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND, AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
ARE THEY NEEDING QUORUM OF US THERE OR NO? JUST, OKAY.
NO, WE, WE'VE DONE THE AGENDA IN CASE THERE IS AT LEAST FOUR SHOW UP, BUT IF YOU COME, YOU COME, YOU HAVE SOME INFORMATION, BUT IT WAS A UNDERSTOOD LATE NOTICE.
WELL, I'M, I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL HAVE A QUORUM.
I COULD BE WRONG ABOUT THAT, BUT I KNOW WE WILL BE REPRESENTED BY VICE CHAIR RAVENEL.
I KNOW HE'LL PLAN TO BE IN ATTENDANCE.
UH, ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS? THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD.
DID YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM TO ATTEND? NO.
THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, THIS WAS AN ALL DAY EVENT.
SO WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST REPRESENTATION, UH, WITH VICE CHAIR REVENUE.
REVENUE, UH, IS, IS THERE, UH, ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE ADJOURN THE MEETING? OKAY.
WELL, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? UH, THIS MEETING AT 8:25 PM SO MOVED.
IS THERE A SECOND? MS. SECOND BY MS. BROOKS.
EVERYBODY IN FAVOR? PLEASE SAY GOOD NIGHT.