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OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE TIME IS 6 0 2.
WE'LL RECONVENE THE WORK SESSION AND MS. MUN ZA THE FLOOR IS YOURS.
UH, MY APOLOGIES WAS HAVING, UH, PRINTER ISSUES, BUT, UH, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.
UH, THIS IS ZI WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION.
WELL, THE REASON FOR TONIGHT'S WORK SESSION IS TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION OF THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR OF REDEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
THE PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS SINCE 2005.
THE CURRENT HAMPTON CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WAS ACTIVATED IN THE SUMMER OF 2022.
THE PROJECT COVERS ONE MILE CORRIDOR BETWEEN BELTLINE AND PRESENT RUN ROAD HALF ASSOCIATES WAS CONTRACTED BY THE CITY TO ASSIST WITH, TO ASSIST WITH THE STREET SCAPE DESIGN AND THE DEVELOP PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS.
HAVE ASSOCIATES CONDUCTED COMMUNITY INPUT MEETINGS TO KEEP THE RESIDENTS INFORMED.
HAVE ALSO ASSISTED THE, IN THE CREATION OF THE ZONING ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS COMPOSED OF DEVELOPERS, HAMPTON ROAD PROPERTY OWNERS, A PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEMBER AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO REVIEW THE PRO PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WITHIN THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR TO KEEP THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS INFORMED AND ENGAGED IN THE HAMPTON PROJECT PROCESS.
HAVE MADE A PRESENTATION ON THE CODE BASED CHARACTER, CODE BASED CHARACTER BASED CODES TO THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE JOINT MEETING ON NOVEMBER 20TH, 2023, AND THE CITY OF DE SOUM RULE CHARTER ARTICLE 10.
SECTION TWO STATES THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SHALL CO, SHALL RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVE OF THE PRO PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE ZONING PLAN AND THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR PROJECT TO ORDER THE CURRENT ZONING PLAN ALONG THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR, THEREBY REQUIRING THE COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL OF OR DISAPPROVAL ACCORDING TO ARTICLE 10, SECTION TWO OF THE HOME ROAD CHARTER.
THE PROJECT ITSELF IS COMPOSED OF, UH, DIFFERENT ARTICLES AND, UH, THE ARTICLES I LISTED, THEY ARE ONE UP TO 10.
I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THEM, BUT TONIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO BE, UH, HALF A SOURCES IS GOING TO PRESENT ARTICLES TWO TO LET ME SAY FROM THE PREFACE TO, TO ARTICLE THREE.
AGAIN, THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS TO PRESENT THE HAMPTON PROJECT TO THE COMMISSION.
IT IS BEING PRESENTED FOR DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK WITH NO ACTION REQUIRED.
MAKING A PRESENTATION THIS EVENING IS OUR ASSOCIATES MY PRESENTATION.
AND SIR, AS YOU COME FORWARD, WOULD YOU STATE YOUR NAMES AND CITY OF RESIDENCE? GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
BRENDAN CAIN, UH, DIRECTOR OF PLANNING WITH HALF ASSOCIATES BASED ON RICHARDSON, TEXAS.
COULD YOU, COULD YOU RESTATE YOUR NAME AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
COULD BRENDAN CAIN? OKAY, THANK YOU.
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MR. CHAIR.WE CAN ASK FOR ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES BREAK SO WE CAN UPLOAD THE POWERPOINT.
UH, THE ARTICLES THAT WERE ATTACHED TO YOUR REPORT ARE JUST, UH, THE DOCUMENT ITSELF, BUT NOT THE, THE POWERPOINT THAT HE NEEDS.
SO WE'RE GONNA CALL THE WORK SESSION BACK TO ORDER AT 6:20 PM AND SIR, YOU MAY PROCEED.
ALRIGHT, UH, AGAIN, BRENDA CAME WITH HAPPY EVENING.
BRENDAN CAME WITH HALF ASSOCIATES.
APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU ALL THIS EVENING.
I KNOW THAT I SAW SEVERAL OF YOU LAST WEEK, UH, I THINK IT WAS LAST, NOPE.
EVERYTHING'S BEING MIXED UP RIGHT NOW.
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO EXPOUND UPON SOME OF THE ELEMENTS HERE THIS EVENING WITH YOU, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS KIND OF YOUR FIRST TIME REALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, SEEING THIS CODE, OR AT LEAST SEEING THE PROCESS.
AND WE WANT TO KIND OF GIVE YOU OVERALL A LITTLE BIT DEEPER UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS EVENING, THIS WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME YOU'LL SEE ME.
I'LL BE BACK HERE IN A COUPLE WEEKS TO KIND OF PRESENT THE NEXT SECTION, UH, OF CHAPTERS.
WE'LL GO THROUGH A PRESENTATION TONIGHT.
YOU KNOW, YOU WERE HANDED A, A DOCUMENT AS PART OF YOUR MEETING THIS EVENING.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL THAT.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK AND COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION.
IF YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT BACK TO, UH, STAFF.
WE'LL COLLECT THAT AND MAKE THE UPDATES AS WE'RE GOING HERE.
BUT WE HAVE A SERIES OF PRESENTATIONS THAT WILL BE PRESENTED HERE OVER THE NEXT MONTH, MONTH AND A HALF, AS WE PREPARE TO HOPEFULLY GO FOR CODE CONSIDERATION AND ADOPTION, STARTING THAT PROCESS IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH OF 2024.
SO THE, AGAIN, THIS IS THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU ALL THIS EVENING TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN INTRODUCTION OF THE FIRST COUPLE CHAPTERS OR SECTIONS, WHICH ARE REALLY AT THE MEAT OF THE OVERALL, UM, CODE.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE OTHER THINGS WILL BE THE ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF THINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, I'M ASSUMING ON MY LEFT, IS YOUR ATTORNEY THAT'LL BE DOING A THOROUGH REVIEW OF THIS AS, AS PART OF THIS CODE, ALONG WITH STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING APPLIES.
BUT I'LL GET INTO IT THIS EVENING.
I KNOW THAT WE, UM, YOUR MEETING STARTS AT SEVEN, SO STOP ME AT ANY TIME.
BUT AGAIN, UH, OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING IS WE WANNA JUST TALK, GIVE YOU GUYS AN OVERALL FRAMEWORK OF WHAT WE'RE, WHAT WE'RE PREPARING AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
UH, WHAT IS A CHARACTER BASED CODE.
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE REGULATING PLAN THAT IS GONNA GUIDE DEVELOPMENT ALONG HAMPTON ROAD INTO THE FUTURE.
SO WE HAVE STARTED ESTABLISHING SOME OF THE, THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS THAT WILL BE PROPOSED.
UM, AND THEN WE DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS GONNA BE A SCALED APPROACH AND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS.
YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS PLANNING PROCESS HAS STARTED FOR A COUPLE YEARS, AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE.
YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED WITH THE STREETSCAPE MASTER PLAN BACK IN 20 19, 20 20, UH, 2021 TIME PERIOD.
AND THEN WE STARTED WORKING ON THE CODE.
THERE ARE SOME OTHER ELEMENTS ALONG THE WAY, ALONG HAMPTON ROAD THAT WE'VE BEEN PART, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATING IN AS WELL WITH THE OVERALL ROAD DESIGN, UH, ALONG WITH ALSO THE CREATION OF YOUR TOURS DISTRICT TO SUPPORT SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INTO THE FUTURE.
SO, REALLY, THE BASELINE THAT WAS SET WAS THE STREETS TO GATE MASTER PLAN.
THERE WERE THREE MAJOR IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION STEPS OUT OF IT.
AND THIS CHARACTER BASED CODE IS ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT, UH, THIS EVENING.
UH, OVERALL PROJECT TEAM, AGAIN, YOU PROBABLY, MANY OF YOU HAVE SEEN MY FACE HERE BEFORE, UH, AND MOST LIKELY KAYLEE SAVER, UH, BEHIND THE SCENES.
SO, ONE REALLY CREATED ALL THE GRAPHICS AND, AND PUTTING THIS DOCUMENT TOGETHER IS ABEL VERDE WHO SUPPORTED US ON THE PROJECT.
UH, AND THEN JUST AGAIN, FROM THE PROJECT TEAM PERSPECTIVE, MELANIE CLEVELAND, WHO IS WORKING ON THE CIVIL DESIGN AND THE ROAD PROJECT, UH, SHE IS STILL SUPPORTING US TO MAKE SURE THAT DECISIONS THAT WE ARE MAKING ALONG THE ROAD COMPLIMENT WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO, UH, PUT WITHIN THE CODE.
AND THEN, UH, JASON CLAUNCH HAS, IS CONTINUING TO SUPPORT US.
JASON WORKED WITH US ON THE, THE CREATION OF THE TOURS, BUT HE IS ALSO HELPING CALIBRATE THIS FROM A, A MARKET STANDPOINT TO MAKE SURE THAT FROM A DEVELOPER STANDPOINT, WE MAKE THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS CODE AT THE END OF THE DAY IS REALLY TO MAKE, UH, IT YOUR JOB EASIER, THE STAFF'S JOB EASIER AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND REALLY SET THAT
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VISION FOR WHAT, UH, DESOTO WINDS AND THE COMMUNITY DESIRES ALONG THE CORRIDOR, AND MAKE SURE THAT'S, THAT'S MARKET REALITY.SO WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT STANDARDS, UH, AND THE, AND THE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SETBACKS AND, AND EVERYTHING, FLEXIBILITY WITHIN THE CODE, BUT ALSO MAINTAINS THAT PREDICTABLE BUILT ENVIRONMENT THAT REALLY THIS IS, UH, TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
AND THEN ALSO, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE DID HAVE, UH, LACEY, UM, WITH BRANDED EXPERIENCES.
UH, WE HAD A, AS PART OF THE STREETSCAPE MASTER PLAN, WE ALSO HAVE BRANDED THOSE CORRIDORS, THE SOHA DISTRICT.
SO YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT AS WELL.
KIND OF INTER INTERCHANGE HERE A LITTLE BIT.
BUT THE REALITY IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, CHARACTER-BASED CODE IS REALLY FOCUSED ON, YOU KNOW, CREATING, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY PRO PROVIDE A PREDICTABLE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
YOUR TRADITIONAL ZONING CODES THAT YOU WORK WITH ON A DAY BY DAY BASIS, YOUR STAFF WORKS WITH YOUR, UM, DEVELOPERS, WILL WORK WITH, ARE MORE OF THE EQUIAN BASE.
SO THE, THE STANDARDS OF HERE'S YOUR SETBACKS, AND THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
MAYBE THEY'LL DIRECT YOU WHERE PARKING GOES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, BUT IT REALLY DOESN'T FOCUS ON THE OVERALL CHARACTER OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE ALONG THE CORRIDOR WITH A CHARACTER BASED CODE OR FORM BASED CODE.
THIS REALLY ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A STEP FURTHER AND REALLY START BUILDING, UM, INTO, YOU KNOW, THE OP THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING HOW THE HEIGHT AND SCALE AND THE MASSING OF THE BUILDING IS MAKING SURE OF IDENTIFYING WHERE ACCESS TO PARKING CAN BE LOCATED SIGNAGE, BUT IT'S REALLY MORE ABOUT THE FORM AND THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, AND HOW DOES THAT COMPLIMENT THE ROAD PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE COMING FORWARD HERE IN THE FUTURE.
UH, AND SO AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT ABOUT, IT'S ABOUT THE FORM.
IT'S ABOUT REALLY PROVIDING THAT PREDICTABLE BUILT ENVIRONMENT.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE AWARE YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM'S WORKING ON SEVERAL MAJOR PROJECTS RIGHT NOW THAT COULD BE BUILT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
YOU HAVE SOME MAJOR INVESTMENTS COMING ALONG THE WAY AND, AND YOU, WE WANT TO ENSURE WITH YOU THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THOSE DEVELOPERS ARE MAKING THOSE INVESTMENTS ARE PROTECTED A LITTLE BIT FOR OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES ALONG THE CORRIDOR AS WELL, SO THAT IT'S STILL UNIFORM IN NATURE.
UH, IT COMPLIMENTS EACH OTHER AND IT'S OF THE SAME QUALITY, UH, THAT ARE, THAT YOU WILL SEE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR.
UM, SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, WHEN I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THIS IS JUST KIND OF A, A BUILDING EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, AS YOU GET INTO THE CODE A LITTLE BIT LATER ON, HERE ARE SOME OF THE OVERALL ELEMENTS THAT THIS CODE WILL BE ADDRESSING.
YOU KNOW, AS, UH, ONCE IT IS ADOPTED, IT WILL BE ADDRESSING, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW LANDSCAPE IS ACTIVATING THE STREETSCAPE.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING SOME, THE CITY IS GONNA BE MAKING SOME SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS INTO THE STREETSCAPE WITH THE ROAD RECONSTRUCTION.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL STREETSCAPE THAT GETS PUT IN BY DEVELOPERS, YOU KNOW, IT, IT ENHANCES, YOU KNOW, AND IT COMPLIMENTS THE INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY'S MAKING, NOT JUST ON THE STREETSCAPE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT SIDEWALKS, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, PATIOS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, MAKING SURE THAT LANDSCAPING AND ACTIVATED STREETSCAPE IS THERE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A LIVELY AND PEDESTRIAN ORIENTATED, UH, DEVELOPMENT.
YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NO BLANK WALLS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
UH, AS PART OF ONE OF THE MAJOR THEMES OF THE STREETSCAPE MASTER PLAN IS MAKING THIS DESOTO A DESTINATION DOWNTOWN.
AND THAT INCLUDES MAKING IT WALKABLE AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S LIVELY, IT'S INVITING, UH, ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
SO THE LOCATION OF WHERE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND HOW MUCH VISUAL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE INTO THE, THE, THE BUILDING IS GONNA BE KEY.
UM, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE MIXTURE OF USES AS COMMERCIAL ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD HAVE OFFICE OR RESIDENTIAL UP ABOVE IN SOME KEY AREAS.
UH, WE'LL TALK ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHTS AND ARTICULATION.
YOU KNOW, NO MORE 200 FOOT, YOU KNOW, BLANK WALLS THAT ARE JUST FLATS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING SURE THAT WE REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE OPENINGS AND WE'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, ARTICULATION, YOU KNOW, SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO MAKE SURE THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO, YOU KNOW, DO A FOUR OR FIVE STORY BUILDING ALONG HAMPTON ROAD, IT'S NOT JUST THIS TOWERING STRUCTURE THAT YOU KNOW, IS, YOU KNOW, FLAT ALL THE WAY ALONG HAMPTON ROAD.
WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REQUIRE SOME BUILDING SETBACK TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COMPLIMENTS IN THE LOOK AND THE FEEL IT'S INVITING, IT'S, IT IS WELCOMING, YOU KNOW, A VARIETY OF BUILDING ELEMENTS.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LOOKING AT HOW DO YOU KNOW PORCHES AND, AND PATIOS AND DECKS GET IMPLEMENTED ON HERE.
ONE THING THE CODE CANNOT DO, IT CANNOT REGULATE BUILDING MATERIALS.
SO WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHIN THIS, UH, ZONING CODE.
HOWEVER, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON IS CREATING A COLOR PALETTE FOR THE CORRIDOR.
WE ARE VERY WELL AWARE OF A BUILDING THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PAINTED SOME VERY BRIGHT
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COLORS RECENTLY ALONG HAMPTON ROAD.AND, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, HARMONIOUS TYPE OF BUILDING DESIGN AND, AND, UH, BUILDING, UH, ARTICULATION THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR.
SO WE CAN CODIFY A COLOR PALETTE WHICH DEVELOPERS WILL HAVE TO WORK WITHIN.
IT WILL BE FLEXIBLE, IT, WE WILL HAVE, UH, A COLOR PALETTE THAT, THAT COMPLIMENTS THE OVERALL AESTHETIC OF THE CORRIDOR AS WELL.
AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER PIECE OF THIS WILL BE IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION AND, YOU KNOW, WHERE ON STREET AND OFF STREET PARKING MAY, YOU KNOW, BE PROVIDED AS PART OF OVERALL DEVELOPMENTS.
SO I JUST WANNA RUN THROUGH SOME PICTURES HERE.
AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL CALL THIS THE GOOD AND THE BAD HERE.
OBVIOUSLY, LIKE THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF LIKE BUILDING PLACEMENT.
YOU SEE, THIS IS A WELCOMING, LIVELY, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE PATIOS, YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE SITTING OUTSIDE AT, AT CAFES.
THIS IS THE TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE AND MAKE SURE THAT DEVELOPERS IMPLEMENT AS PART OF THEIR, UH, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
SO LOOKING AT, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE, WHERE THE PEDESTRIAN ZONE IS, WHERE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, NOT GONNA BE INTERRUPTED, YOU KNOW, FOR M WALKING, WHERE CAN PEOPLE SIT FOR THE CAFES? WHERE ARE, YOU KNOW, STREET PLANTINGS AND FURNITURES GOING TO BE INCORPORATED? YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MINIMIZE OR ELIMINATE THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
WE'RE PREDOMINANTLY, YOU KNOW, AUTO ORIENTATED TYPES OF USES, HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT, AND YOU GOT THE BUILDINGS WAY SET BACK.
AS WE GET INTO THE CODE AND THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS THERE ARE, WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ELIMINATED, YOU KNOW, THE AUTO DOMINATED TYPE OF USES.
THERE ARE AREAS THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED FOR THAT, BUT THEY CAN STILL BE PLACED IN A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT MANNER THAT PROVIDES FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE PEDESTRIAN FEELING ALONG THAT WAY.
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKING, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME TOWN HOMES.
YOU DON'T SEE GARAGES ON THE FRONT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE YOU WOULD'VE ALLEY LOADED GARAGES IN THE REAR FOR, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE FROM A BUILDING HEIGHT PERSPECTIVE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS CODE WILL IDENTIFY AND PROVIDE FOR, UH, WE ARE GONNA BE REQUIRING, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE AND AMENITY SPACE AS PART OF PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE INVITING AND WELCOMING FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME INTO, AND THAT THEY, AGAIN, THEY TIE BACK TO THE INVESTMENT THAT'S BEING MADE ALONG HAMPTON ROAD.
SO, AGAIN, JUST AN EXAMPLE OF HOW, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDINGS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, FOCUS IN THE SPACE AND IT'S STILL INVITING AND, AND WELCOMING FOR ALL.
THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO NOT HAPPEN ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AND WE'RE VERY SENSITIVE TO A LOT OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OUT THERE.
THIS CODE, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT THAT WE HAVE ALONG HAMPTON ROAD IS NOT HERE TO DISPLACE OR MOVE PEOPLE OUT.
DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA HAPPEN AS IT IS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SENSITIVE, YOU KNOW, TO THE, TO THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.
WE KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PROPER TRANSITION OF BUILDING HEIGHTS FROM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A HIGHER DENSITY, HIGHER INTENSITY DOWN TO THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND THIS EXAMPLE HERE, WE DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN A FIVE STORY OR FOUR STORY BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS THE APPROPRIATE TRANSITION OF USES AND INTENSITIES AND THE DENSITIES DOWN TO YOUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE CORRIDOR AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED BEFOREHAND, MAKING PLACES LIVELY AND WELCOMING AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, HAVING, YOU KNOW, CLEAR WINDOWS AND TRANSPARENCY AND, AND REQUIRING THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, UH, AS WELL WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY DIFFERENT OPENINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE TYPES OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TYPES OF WINDOWS.
BUT WE ALSO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE ACTIVE, WHAT WE CALL THE ACTIVE DEPTH.
YOU KNOW, YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF TIMES IN SOME BUILDINGS, LIKE SOME OF YOUR CONVENIENCE STORES OR LIKE WALGREENS OR CVS, THEY'LL PUT WINDOWS IN, BUT IT'S BLOCKED BECAUSE OF THE SHELVING ON THE INSIDE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
WE MAKE SURE AS PART OF THIS CODE THAT THERE IS AN ACTIVE DEPTH TO, YOU KNOW, SO THAT THERE'S, EVEN, EVEN IF PEOPLE ARE LOOKING INSIDE THE WINDOW, IT'S NOT GONNA BE BLOCKED BY SHELVING OR ANYTHING ELSE.
YOU'RE STILL GONNA SEE ACTIVITY, PEOPLE MOVING AROUND AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO AVOID, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE BLANK WALLS, YOU KNOW, A ALONG CORRIDOR.
THIS IS NOT A VERY INVITING ENVIRONMENT AND NOT WHAT WAS DESIRED AS PART OF THE OVERALL STREETSCAPE MASTER PLAN.
AND AS I, AS I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE KEY THINGS HERE IS KIND OF BEING EXPANDING, BUT BEING FLEXIBLE ON THE DIFFERENT USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
TRADITIONAL ZONE CODES ARE PRETTY RIGID.
YOU KNOW, THEY IDENTIFY, HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN ONLY HAVE COMMERCIAL, HERE'S WHERE YOU CAN HAVE RESIDENTIAL.
HERE'S THE ONLY TYPES OF USES YOU'LL SEE WITH THIS CODE THAT IT'LL BE MORE OF A, A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE THAT, THAT ACTIVITY, YOU KNOW, CENTERS AND NOTES THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR.
UH, WE WANNA BE SENSITIVE TO SOME USES, OBVIOUSLY.
AND WE WILL HAVE SPECIFIC STANDARDS IN PLACE.
FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, DRIVE-THROUGHS ARE ONE OF THE, AND I KNOW YOU HAVE A PROJECT ON THIS EVENING THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT ALONG THE CORRIDOR, BUT YOU STILL
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CAN HAVE THOSE MORE HIGHER INTENSITY TYPES OF USES, LIKE A DRIVE THROUGH, BUT THEY CAN BE DESIGNED DIFFERENTLY TO MINIMIZE THE OVERALL AESTHETIC TO THE CORRIDOR, BUT ALSO KIND OF THE CONFLICT POINTS AND MAKE, YOU KNOW, STILL MAKING IT THAT PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT.AND THEN AGAIN, THE OTHER PIECE OF IT TOO IS, UH, STREETS, YOU KNOW, WE, AS PART OF THE CODE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING DIFFERENT, UH, STREET CROSS SECTIONS THAT MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN, UH, UH, FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, SO REQUIRING BIKE LANES OR ON STREET PARKING OR WIDER SIDEWALKS, WE WILL HAVE A SERIES OF DIFFERENT, UH, STREET SECTIONS THAT WILL BE REQUIRED AS PART OF THE REGULATING PLAN IN THE FUTURE.
SO WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES FORWARD, THEY KNOW EXACTLY THE TYPE OF CROSS SECTION THAT THEY WILL BE, UH, REQUIRED TO BUILD.
THIS MAY, UH, REQUIRE SOME AMENDMENTS TO YOUR CURRENT OR YOUR, YOUR NEW THOROUGHFARE PLAN OR YOUR, YOU KNOW, OR YOUR ENGINEERING DESIGN STANDARDS AS WELL.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT AS PART OF THE CODE.
SO I WANT TO JUST TALK THROUGH HERE A, A CASE STUDY BRIEFLY.
IT'S ONE RUN THROUGH IT, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF HOW THIS TYPE OF CODE, 'CAUSE AGAIN, THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU MOST LIKELY OR ANYONE HAS REALLY WORKED ON BEFOREHAND.
UH, BUT THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, UH, OF A FORM BASED CODE THAT WAS CREATED FOR CHATTANOOGA, TENNESSEE.
THIS IS, UH, WE'VE WORKED WITH A, A PARTNER MANY TIMES IN PROJECTS.
THIS IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THEIR KIND OF EXAMPLES, BUT IT'S GREAT 'CAUSE WE, IT, IT SHOWS ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS IS.
SO YOU'LL SEE HERE IN A MINUTE, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THIS ZONING CODE IS GOING TO BE BRAND NEW ZONING DISTRICTS FOR YOUR, YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE AMENDING OR ADOPTING ANY OF YOUR EXISTING CODES.
THIS IS GONNA BE A SEPARATE SECTION WITHIN YOUR ZONING CODE SPECIFIC TO HAMPTON ROAD RIGHT NOW THAT WILL HAVE SPECIFIC STANDARDS COMPARED TO, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT GONNA BE AMENDING ANY OF YOUR EXISTING ZONING CODES.
SO WE'VE CREATED FIVE DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS FOR THE CORRIDOR.
AGAIN, YOU, WE WILL GO THROUGH HERE, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW, WE START TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAYOUT AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE, WE TALK ABOUT THE INTENT AND USES, AND THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE FRAMEWORK HERE.
WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC REALM STANDARDS AND WHAT DOES THAT REQUIRE.
AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
BUT THEN AGAIN, WE WERE REALLY FOCUSED ON HOW DO THE BUILDINGS INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
HOW DO THEY JOIN UP TO THE RIGHT OF WAY AS WELL? WE WANT THAT TO BE, TO COMPLIMENT THE INVESTMENT THAT THE CITY'S MAKING.
WE TALK ABOUT LOT PER, UH, PARAMETERS AND BUILDING PLACEMENT AS WELL AS PART OF CHARACTER REGULATIONS.
WE TALK ABOUT ACCESS AND WHERE THEY AND, AND HEIGHT AND MASSING.
SO I JUST WANNA RUN THROUGH KIND OF TWO EXAMPLES.
THIS IS KIND OF AN INFILL OAK STREET AND THEN ALSO BRANCH HAS A FORM-BASED CODE THAT, UH, IS MORE FOR THEIR TRANSIT ORIENTATED DEVELOPMENT AROUND THEIR MAJOR, UH, TRANSPORTATION HUBS.
THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S NEW, UH, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE ARE SOME GREAT EXAMPLES ALREADY IN THE METROPLEX TODAY.
BEFORE I GO ONTO THE FRAMEWORK, ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS FROM THE GROUP? I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT.
I KNOW IT'S GONNA BE A LOT TO TAKE IN TONIGHT.
BUT ANY IMMEDIATE QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONS, ANY QUESTIONS? MR. BELL? UH, HELLO, SIR.
WELL, MY QUESTION IS, YOU DISCUSSED TWO KINDS OF CHARACTER CODE FORM BASED AND, UH, CHARACTER BASED.
IS THAT RIGHT? ARE THESE GONNA BE TWO SEPARATE CODE BODIES OR THEY WILL THEY BE THE, I I USE THE WORDS INTERCHANGEABLY 'CAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL HEAR FORM-BASED CODE, BUT WE, WE LIKE TO USE THE WORD CHARACTER BASED.
'CAUSE WE ARE, WE ARE CO WE'RE CODIFYING TOWARDS A CERTAIN TYPE OF CHARACTER THAT WE WANNA SEE ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
THEY'RE INTERCHANGEABLE, BUT IT'S THE SAME AT THE END OF THE DAY.
AND YOU, YOU, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THIS CODE WILL ONLY APPLY TO THE HAMPTON CORRIDOR RIGHT? AT AT THIS TIME THE, THE STANDARDS AND REGULATIONS THAT WE ARE CREATING ARE SPECIFIC TO HAMPTON ROAD.
IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT IN THE FUTURE IF THERE ARE OTHER, UM, MORE, UH, DISTRICTS OR NOTES, UM, THAT MAY WANT TO TAKE IN A SIMILAR TYPE OF CHARACTER OR FEEL OR TYPE OF CODE THAT IT COULDN'T BE EXPANDED TO THERE.
BUT AT THIS TIME WE'RE ONLY FOCUSING ON HAMPTON ROAD.
CAN YOU TELL US, UH, EXACTLY WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES FOR THE CORRIDOR? I WILL, BECAUSE IT'S THAT IN A MINUTE.
ACTUALLY, I HAVE THE RE REGULATING PLAN COMING UP HERE IN A SECOND, SO, ALRIGHT, WELL I'LL HOLD MY LAST QUESTION.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MS. CAESAR? UM, BRENDAN, IS THIS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT ONLY OR EXISTING PROPERTIES ALONG THE CORRIDOR? SO, GREAT QUESTION.
WE WILL BE GETTING INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.
IT IS FOR BOTH, IT IS FOR ALL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
UH, WE, UM, WE WILL TALK ABOUT AT WHAT WE CALL A SCALED APPROACH.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOP, IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS CODE IS NOT HERE TO PUSH PEOPLE
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OUT.WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE EXISTING BUSINESSES ALONG THE CORRIDOR AND THEY MAY, UH, WANT TO STAY THERE OR THEY PLAN TO STAY THERE.
UM, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WILL BE CERTAIN TRIGGERS IN, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITHIN THE CODE THAT IF THEY'RE LOOKING TO DO A MAJOR EXPANSION OR RENOVATION OR EXTERIOR MODIFICATION, THEY WILL MOST LIKELY REQUIRE SOME STANDARDS TO BE APPLIED.
YOU KNOW, THAT COMPLEMENT THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE CORRIDOR.
WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH WHAT THOSE TRIGGERS ARE GOING TO BE.
BUT I WOULD SAY PREDOMINANTLY YES, MOST OF IT IS, IS IT IS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE NEWER IN NATURE.
THERE MAY BE BUILDINGS THAT WILL WANT TO STAY HERE LONG TERM THAT MAY JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH A, A RETROFIT AND IT MAY NOT TRIGGER ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IT WILL TRIGGER SOME, WHETHER IT IS FACADE IMPROVEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S AMENITY OR PELVIC OPEN SPACES ALONG THERE OR OTHER ELEMENTS.
WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THAT.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE NEXT SECTION THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU EITHER IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY ALONG THOSE LINES.
I WILL SAY, I THINK I BROUGHT, I THINK I MADE THIS COMMENT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT HERE TO PENALIZE SOMEONE THAT HAS A, A WATER, HEAT WATER HEATER THAT BREAKS AND THEY COME IN LIKE, THAT'S NOT THE INTENT OF THE CODE.
BUT AGAIN, I WOULD, YOU'D BE LOOKING AT MAJOR, MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS.
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR NEW FACADE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO A BUILDING EXPANSION, UH, THOSE ARE WHEN THINGS ARE GONNA GET TRIGGERED MAINLY FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS THAT ARE NOT DOING A FULL RECONSTRUCT.
AND I, AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS YOU THAT BROUGHT IT UP, I KNOW THERE WAS A, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE COLOR PALETTE.
WE ARE NOT REQUIRING ALL PROPERTY OWNERS TO, TO PAINT THEIR BUILDINGS TOMORROW EITHER.
AGAIN, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AS DEVELOPMENT OCCURS, AS REDEVELOPMENT OCCURS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, YES, WE WOULD BE MOST LIKELY TRIGGERING AT SOME POINT CERTAIN STANDARDS, WHETHER IT'S A FINANCIAL THREAT THRESHOLD OR IF IT'S A MAJOR TYPE OF BUILDING MODIFICATION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT REQUIREMENT BE THERE AS WELL.
I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT HOMEOWNERS AND NOPE, WE'RE NOT REQUIRING HOMEOWNERS TO BE GOING TO THE SAME COLOR PALETTE.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SAYING NONE, MR. KING, PLEASE CONTINUE.
ALRIGHT, SO I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK HERE THIS EVENING.
UM, AS BESTER, UH, OUTLINED EARLIER THIS EVENING, WE ARE WORKING THROUGH, UH, THE DIFFERENT ARTICLES.
THEY'RE SCATTERED IN MY OFFICE RIGHT NOW ON DIFFERENT WORD DOCUMENTS AND PIECES AND TRYING TO ASSEMBLE EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE IT, YOU KNOW, IT ALL, IT ALL COMES TOGETHER.
BUT REALLY TONIGHT WE'RE, I REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON, UH, YOU KNOW, ARTICLE ONE AND ARTICLE TWO ARE MORE OF YOUR ADMINISTRATION BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
I'M NOT GONNA GLOSS IT OVER IT, YOU GUYS, WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE, BUT THAT REALLY JUST KIND OF SETS UP THE FRAMEWORK THAT TALKS ABOUT THE PROCESS.
YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IN, UM, IN THE CODE FRAMEWORK.
WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE OUTLINE IN THE SENSE OF HOW DOES THE DEVELOPER ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THIS.
WE WANT TO MAKE THIS PROCESS AS STREAMLINED AS POSSIBLE FOR YOUR STAFF, UH, BUT ALSO FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THERE IS A SET DEVELOPMENT VISION.
UH, AS PART OF THIS, WE'VE SET THE CODE UP IN THE FRAMEWORK TO ALLOW DEVELOPERS TO GET 80 TO 90% OF THEIR INFORMATION THAT THEY NEED WITHIN SIX PAGES.
YOU KNOW, THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE WITHIN, THERE ARE MORE OF THE, THE REGULATORY ADMINISTRATION SIDE OF THINGS THAT, THAT HAVE TO GO WITH THE CODE.
UH, BUT A LOT OF THE THINGS WITHIN THE DISTRICT STANDARDS, YOU KNOW, TO AT LEAST GET A GOOD START ON THE SITE PLAN TO BE ABLE TO MEET WITH STAFF OR THE EDC, A LOT OF IT WILL BE WITHIN ABOUT SIX PAGES.
UH, AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, WE WILL BE BACK HERE.
WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH THE, THE, THE OTHER ITEMS, THE SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS, THE LANDSCAPE STANDARDS, UH, AND THOSE OTHER, YOU KNOW, MORE ADMINISTRATION THINGS, UM, WILL BE COMING HERE SHORTLY TO YOU ALL.
BUT AS I MENTIONED, I REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON THE DISTRICT STANDARDS TONIGHT AND PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL.
UM, SO I BELIEVE AS MR. BELL, YOU ASKED ABOUT WHAT ARE THE BOUNDARIES OF, UM, THIS DISTRICT.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN, NORTH IS WOULD BE TO MY RIGHT, UM, PREDOMINANTLY THE, THIS, UH, IS FOCUSED ALONG FROM HAMPTON, OR EXCUSE ME, ALONG HAMPTON ROAD FROM BELTLINE ROAD TO PLEASANT RUN.
UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE, WE HAVE EXTENDED IT TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURED THE, UM, THE, THE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, YOU KNOW, OF BELTLINE ROAD AND HAMPTON ROAD, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, PLEASANT R AND HAMPTON ROAD AS WELL.
THIS IS ALSO, UH, THE TS THE TAX INCOME COMMIT AND REINVESTMENT ZONE THAT, THAT THE CITY CREATED LAST YEAR.
THIS IS THE SAME BOUNDARY THAT WE ARE USING AS WELL.
UH, THE BOUNDARY WAS CREATED WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING LAND USE AND CHARACTERS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AGAIN, WE, WE KNEW, WE LOOKED AT WHERE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL IS, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST CAPTURED ENOUGH SPACE ALONG HAMPTON ROAD SO THAT WE COULD PROVIDE THE APPROPRIATE BUFFERING AND TRANSITION TO SOME OF THOSE, UH, DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
UH, AND AGAIN, JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE VACANCY OF LAND THAT'S OUT THERE, UNDEVELOPED
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LAND THAT'S OUT THERE TODAY.UM, THAT IS HOW, YOU KNOW, THROUGH A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS THAT THIS WAS CREATED FOR THE OVERALL BOUNDARY, UH, FOR THIS ZONING CODE.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED AND CREATED, UH, FIVE DIFFERENT, UH, CHARACTER ZONES, YOU KNOW, URBAN CENTER, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THESE IN A MINUTE.
YOUR URBAN GENERAL, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, YOUR URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITION AS WELL.
ONE THING, AS I MENTIONED, UM, A REGULATING PLAN.
THIS IS BASICALLY YOUR NEW ZONING MAP.
SO THIS WILL BE ADOPTED AS PART OF, UH, THE ADOPTION PROCESS, UM, WHEN YOU GO THROUGH IT IN FEBRUARY AND MARCH OF, OF NEXT YEAR.
BUT THIS WILL BE THE, THE REGULATING PLAN FOR THE BOUNDARY FOR THE DIFFERENT USE OR FOR THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
BUT ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, WE, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FUTURE ROADS AS WELL WITH THE, THE PROJECT THAT WE HAVE, UH, WHERE WE ARE REDUCING LANES IN LONG HAMPTON ROAD, GOING FROM FIVE LANES DOWN TO THREE AND PROVIDING MORE OF THAT PEDESTRIAN WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT.
UH, WE WANTED TO ENSURE THAT WE PROVIDED FOR THE APPROPRIATE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK TO SUPPORT THE DEVELOPMENT THAT IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO OCCUR.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE HAVE DASH LINES AND WE HAVE SOME SOLID LINES OUT THERE TODAY.
WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE PRIMARY STREETS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY IS BELTLINE ROAD AND HAMPTON ROAD AND, AND PLEASANT RUN.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME MORE LOCAL ROADS IN NATURE, BUT YOUR SECONDARY ROADS AND YOUR TERTIARY ROADS, WE WILL HAVE SPECIFIC STANDARDS IN PLACE WITHIN THE COA THAT TALK ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE CROSS SECTION, THE REQUIRED RIGHT OF WAY, THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE NEEDED AS PART OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS.
WE ALSO PUT THAT IN PLACE SO AS A DEVELOPER COMES IN, THEY'LL KNOW AND BE REQUIRED TO PUT THOSE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS IN AS PART OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT AS WELL.
SOME OF THESE THINGS MAY, UH, HAPPEN IN PIECES.
SOME OF THESE COULD BE CITY INITIATED PROJECTS LATER ON, UH, WITH THE REGULATING PLAN ALSO TALKS ABOUT CROSS AXIS AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS AS MUCH CROSS AXIS AS POSSIBLE, UH, ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
THAT IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE EXERCISES WE ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW WITH THE, THE CURRENT DESIGN, TRYING TO IDENTIFY DRIVEWAYS AND POTENTIAL DRIVEWAY CLOSURES AND CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO THIS IS GONNA DEFINITELY BE, AGAIN, A, A, A HUGE, UH, BENEFIT TO YOUR STAFF AS DEVELOPMENT COMES IN.
AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING WHERE THOSE ROADS HAVE TO BE PLACED AS PART OF THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, JUST, UH, TO RUN THROUGH THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS.
SO YOUR URBAN CENTER, WHICH IS THESE WOULD BE THE MOST INTENSIVE NODES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED THREE DIFFERENT URBAN CENTER NODES.
ONE BEING WHERE WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, PLEASANT RUN AND BE AND, AND, UH, HAMPTON ROAD HERE.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU POTENTIALLY UP TO FIVE STORIES OF DEVELOPMENT, MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
YOU HAVE SOME OF THAT HERE EVEN ON THE SITE THAT YOU'RE AT TODAY, BUT THAT IS ONE OF THE NOTES.
ANOTHER NOTE OF URBAN CENTER IS DOWN, EXCUSE ME, ON, ON THE SOUTH END ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND HAMPTON ROAD.
AND THEN THROUGH THE PROCESS AND LOOKING AND WORKING WITH YOUR EDC AND STAFF, WE'VE IDENTIFIED, UH, ANOTHER, UH, A MAJOR NODE IN THE MIDDLE OF, OF HAMPTON ROAD AS WELL.
THERE'S SOME, YOU KNOW, LARGER SCALE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S BEING PLANNED OR GOING TO TAKE PLACE ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AND WE FELT HAVING AN APPROPRIATE KIND OF URBAN CENTER, UH, NEAR, UH, THE BRIDGE.
UH, UH, HEATH CREEK BRIDGE IS KIND OF ANOTHER MAJOR FOCAL POINT IN CENTER ALONG HAMPTON ROAD AS WELL.
YOUR URBAN GENERAL IS GONNA BE MORE OF YOUR, THE REST OF THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
WE DON'T, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE BASED UPON THE MARKET STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FIVE STORY BUILDINGS ALL ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
UM, A LOT OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE MORE, MORE LIKELY GONNA BE TWO TO THREE STORY DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AGAIN, FOCUSING ON THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT ON THE FIRST FLOOR, WINDOWS GLASS, YOU KNOW, ACTIVITY.
AND THEN HAVING A SECOND STORY TYPE OF MAYBE OFFICER, UM, OR HOUSING, UH, ALONG THE CORRIDOR AS WELL.
YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES I MENTIONED BEFOREHAND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE POTENTIAL FOR AUTO DOMINATED TYPE OF USES THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, LITTLE BIT OF YOUR LARGER SHOPPING CENTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'RE STILL GONNA SUPPORT THAT.
AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE REGULATED PLAN THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET, THESE ARE MORE IDENTIFIED KIND OF ALL AWAY FROM HAMPTON ROAD A LITTLE BIT, UM, A ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND LONG PLEASANT RUN AS WELL.
THERE ARE SOME KEY AREAS WHERE WE IDENTIFIED MORE YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES.
AGAIN, WE, WE SUPPORT THESE TYPES OF USES.
WE KNOW THAT THEY ARE NECESSARY, BUT WE WILL BE PROVIDING SOME DISTRICT STANDARDS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE 'EM A LITTLE BIT MORE INVITING, BRING THE BUILDING UP A LITTLE BIT SO THAT THERE ISN'T SUCH A, UM, A SEA OF ASPHALT TO PARK IN FRONT OF ALL THESE BUILDINGS AS WELL, YOUR URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AS WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WE, WE ARE AWARE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE, THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY JUST WENT THROUGH THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THOSE FINAL STAGES RIGHT NOW.
UM, URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD IS, YOU KNOW,
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ARE GONNA BE SOME HIGHER INTENSITY, UH, MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT.THERE ARE SOME POCKETS ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THIS PROCESS, ALONG WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE WE FELT IT'S APPROPRIATE BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING IN, ESPECIALLY AROUND SOME OF THOSE URBAN CENTERS.
YOU'RE GONNA WANT TO HAVE SOME DENSITY THERE FOR PEOPLE TO, FROM AN ATTRACTION STANDPOINT AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME POCKETS ALONG THE CORRIDOR, MORE DOWN ON THE SOUTHERN END, CLOSER TO THE BELT LINE WHERE THIS TYPE OF LITTLE BIT MORE HIGHER DENSITY, UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IS APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN AS I MENTIONED, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITION INTO YOUR ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
THIS IS WHERE WE START STEPPING IT DOWN IN SCALE WHERE AGAIN, IT MAY BE MORE OF YOUR TOWN HOMES, YOU KNOW, THE POSSIBILITY FOR SOME INFILL HOUSING AS WELL, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, DUPLEX OR, UH, A QUADPLEX, OBVIOUSLY YOUR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
BUT AGAIN, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TRANSITIONING DOWN APPROPRIATELY TO EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR.
I'LL RUN THROUGH THIS BRIEFLY TONIGHT BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE COMING.
WE HAVE PROVIDED KIND OF CHAPTER TWO AND CHAPTER THREE FOR YOU ALL THIS EVENING.
I DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE ANY COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, OR IF THERE'S BIG QUESTIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT THE PRESENTATION.
UH, WE DO HOPE THAT YOU CAN GO THROUGH THE, THE STANDARDS, TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
I'LL BE BACK HERE IN A COUPLE WEEKS TO KIND OF PRESENT THE NEXT SECTION OF THEM.
AND HO IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS, PLEASE PROVIDE THEM TO STAFF AND THEY'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THOSE EDITS INTO WE PRESENTATION.
BUT THE DISTRICT STANDARDS WE HAVE HERE, THIS IS JUST A SAMPLE LAYOUT, BUT IT'S REPLICATES WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED.
WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST SECTION BEING YOUR SITE STANDARD.
SO, WE'LL, AS I MENTIONED BEFOREHAND, WE WANNA MAKE THIS AS STREAMLINED AS POSSIBLE.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS DEVELOPER FRIENDLY.
WHEN THE DEVELOPER'S LOOKING TO DO DEVELOPMENT ALONG HAMPTON ROAD, THEY LITERALLY HAVE, CAN GO TO THESE, YOU KNOW, SIX SECTIONS AND UM, OR THESE SIX PAGES AND THEY'LL GET MOST OF THEIR AT LEAST INITIAL INFORMATION.
THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THE STANDARDS ARE FOR, HOW MUCH SPACE THEY CAN HAVE, WHAT THE SETBACKS ARE GONNA BE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
THAT'LL GIVE 'EM THE OPPORTUNITY TO START DOING THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, BE ABLE TO TALK WITH STAFF.
IS THIS GONNA FIT THE CHARACTER OF THE CORRIDOR? SO WE TALK ABOUT THE DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS AND THAT'S REALLY JUST FOCUSED ON YOUR OVERALL SET, YOUR SETBACKS AND YOUR LOT DIMENSIONS, YOUR LOT COVERAGE.
WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE OF THE BLOCKS.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE BLOCKS ARE NOT TOO LARGE IN NATURE.
THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU GET THESE, YOU KNOW, 800,000 FOOT LONG BLOCKS SO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.
SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED WE TALK ABOUT AGAIN, THE ACCESS AND PARKING, WHERE THAT'S GONNA BE PERMITTED ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
UH, WE TALK ABOUT THE BUILDING FORM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE WIDTH AND THE HEIGHTS AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE, THE HEIGHTS TO THE EAVES.
THIS IS WHERE WE START TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHERE DO YOU, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT BUILDING, YOU GOTTA, YOU KNOW, BUMP IT IN A LITTLE BIT.
YOU GOTTA EX YOU KNOW, EXTRUDE IT OUT, MAKING SURE THERE'S SOME DIMENSION TO THOSE, TO THE BUILDING AS WELL.
UH, WE DO FOCUS ON BUILDING COMMO COMPONENTS AND WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
AND THEN WE SAY EXAMPLE PAGES 'CAUSE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THESE, BUT WE ARE GONNA HAVE LANDSCAPE AND STREETSCAPE REQUIREMENTS.
AND THEN SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING AS WELL WILL BE THE OTHER PAGES THAT WILL BE WORK, UH, THAT WILL BE PART OF THAT.
YOU GUYS HAVE THOSE IN YOUR, UM, PACKET TONIGHT.
UM, THE LAST PARS ON MY SLIDES ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE USES, WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
SO I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH THAT.
SO I WANT TO STOP HERE AND A AND ASK IF, BECAUSE AGAIN, I KNOW THAT WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION FOR AN INTRODUCTION THIS EVENING, BUT QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSION.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, TIME IS 6 55.
WE HAVE TIME FOR MAYBE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
YES, BRENDAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR NUMBER.
BRENNAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.
UH, WOULD YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 32 FOR ME? YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME HERE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S SLIDE 32? KEEP GOING.
IT'S UH, THE ZONING, UH, FOR THE PROJECT.
YES, TOO, TOO HAPPY ON THE CHURCH.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT THE HAMPTON ROAD PROJECT WILL NOT JUST BE DOWN HAMPTON ROAD, BUT WILL EXTEND OUT BELTLINE ROAD AS WELL AS PLEASANT RUN ROAD.
AND THOSE AREAS THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED ARE GOING TO BE UNDER THE CHARACTER BASE CODE, CORRECT? YES.
EVERYTHING THAT YOU SEE, EVERYTHING THAT YOU, WHERE YOU SEE A COLOR IS DESIGNATED A NEW ZONING DISTRICT.
SO IS THAT GONNA BE A HARD STOP ON THE CHARACTER BASE CODE, UM, SO THAT WHEN YOU ENTER THE DISTRICT THEY'LL KNOW THAT THERE'S JUST A DEFINITE, UH, DIFFERENCE OR WHETHER IT BE SOME TYPE OF A TRANSITION DOWN? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, I THINK I I I WOULD SAY IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE TWOFOLD.
UM, YOUR, AND UM, NOT TO DEVIATE FROM YOUR QUESTION, THE STREETSCAPE PROJECT, THE ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT ARE ANTICIPATING TO HAVE KIND OF BOOKEND
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GATEWAYS COMING INTO THE DISTRICT.SO THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, FROM A, FROM A, FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT, FROM GATEWAY, THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GONNA KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE COMING INTO THE DISTRICT.
UH, FROM A BUILDING FORM STANDPOINT, YES, MOST LIKELY.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA BE, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S GONNA BE A HARD, YOU KNOW, A STOP OR ANYTHING ELSE, BUT, UM, WHERE WE'VE IDENTIFIED EVEN THE URBAN CENTERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, YOU HAVE SOME OF THAT DEVELOPMENT NOW.
SO WE REALLY HAVEN'T GONE TOO, TOO, ESPECIALLY ON THE NORTH END, YOU KNOW, WE HAVEN'T GONE TOO FAR.
WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURED THE REST OF THE INTERSECTION HERE DOWN ON, UH, DOWN ON THE SOUTH END, UH, PAST BELTLINE ROAD.
THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS, WE KNEW THAT WE WANTED TO CREATE A CENTER DOWN ON THE SOUTH END, BUT THERE WAS VACANT LAND FURTHER DOWN.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU ACTUALLY SEE WHERE WE'VE TRANSITIONED TOWARDS MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICE DOWN THERE.
SO THAT'S GONNA BE MORE OF YOUR STEP UP BEFORE YOU GET TO BELTLINE ROAD WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HIGHER INTENSITY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT.
SO WE HAVE TAKEN THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, ESPECIALLY FROM THE SOUTH END.
AND YOU MAY NOT BE THE PERSON TO ANSWER THIS, BUT IS THERE GOING TO ACQUISITION OF LAND IN ORDER TO BUILD THIS DISTRICT? NO.
NO, THIS IS, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS THAT WILL GOVERN AND REGULATE THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE CORRIDOR DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE THE SAME DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.
THE DEVELOPER COMES IN THAT'S ON THEIR OWN.
THIS IS JUST GONNA, THESE ARE GONNA BE THE REQUIREMENTS OF A DEVELOPER'S GONNA HAVE TO BUILD ALONG THE CORRIDOR.
I THINK, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I NEED TO JUST HELP US TO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ZONING HERE.
WE HAVE LANGUAGE, UH, COMMUNICATION.
WE'RE GOING ON THAT WE ARE RECONSTRUCTING THE STREET.
WE'RE ALSO CALLING THAT THE HAMPTON ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
BUT THERE ARE TWO TOTALLY SEPARATE ONES I NEED TO ASK.
UM, I THINK IT WILL BEHOOVE YOU TO GET A HARD COPY OF WHAT WE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE.
UH, BRENNAN GAVE YOU A KIND OF A, A HELICOPTER VIEW, BUT THE MEATS AND POTATOES ARE IN THIS DOCUMENT, UH, THAT I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IF YOU'RE GOING TO ACT ON IT APPROPRIATELY.
WE'LL BE SURE TO SEND ALL OF YOU A COPY, UH, OF WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKAGE TONIGHT AND WE'LL DO THE SAME.
WE'LL SEND YOU A HARD COPY WHEN WE GET THE OTHER ONES COMING UP.
UH, MAYBE ONE MORE QUESTION HAS TO BE LIKE A 32ND QUESTION AND A 32ND RESPONSE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT, MR. BELL, YOU GOT 30 SECONDS.
I'M GONNA TRY TO MAKE THIS QUICK.
ARE THERE AREAS IN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CORRIDOR THAT SPLIT DEVELOPMENTS? SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU COULD HAVE A WHOLE STREET OR TWO WITHIN A SUBDIVISION THAT HAVE TO CONFORM TO THIS CODE WHILE THE REST STAYS THE SAME? NO, WE, WE, THE BOUNDARIES WERE SET ALONG PARCEL LINES.
ALRIGHT, WELL, MR. KING, WE APPRECIATE YOU.
LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU IN ANOTHER TWO WEEKS.
AND WE NOW BE IN 6 59 COMMISSIONERS.
WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE WORK SESSION AND OUR REGULAR SESSION WILL START PROMPTLY AT 7:00 PM LADIES, GENTLEMEN, THE TIME IS NOW 7:00 PM WANNA WELCOME YOU OUT TO THE REGULAR SESSION OF THE DESOTO PLAN IS ZONE COMMISSION.
TODAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH, 2023.
IF YOU PLEASE RISE, UH, FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC OR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[B. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.I KNOW, I KNOW WE STARTED, UH, THE REGULAR SESSION IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE WORK SESSION.
WE'LL TAKE CARE OF A COUPLE OF HOUSEKEEPING MATTERS AND THEN JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S PLANNING PURPOSES, WE WILL THEN TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS, UH, FOR EVERYBODY TO KIND OF GET SITUATED.
[E. CONSENT AGENDA Any item may be withdrawn from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Approval of the Consent Agenda authorizes the approval of each item in accordance with Staff Recommendations.]
BUT THE FIRST, UH, HOUSEKEEPING MATTER I WANT TO TAKE CARE OF, CARE OF IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.UM, CONSIDER APPROVAL FOR MINUTES FROM THE PLANNING ZONING IN REGULAR MEETING ON NOVEMBER, UH, 14TH OF 2023.
ARE THERE ANY MODIFICATIONS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE TO THOSE MINUTES? MR. RAVENNA? GO AHEAD.
YES, I'D LIKE TO, UM, ON PAGE THREE OF THE MINUTES.
ITEM NUMBER ONE, UM, COULD WE INCLUDE THAT THE APPLICANT OR ITS REPRESENTATIVE WAS NOT PRESENT AS WELL AS NO PERSON OR LETTERS WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR OR AGAINST, UM, UNDER PUBLIC HEARING ITEM NUMBER TWO, LET'S SEE, THERE WE'RE MISSING THE TIME THAT
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THE PUBLIC HEARING OPENED.WE DO HAVE THE TIME THAT IT CLOSED.
I BELIEVE THAT IF WE COULD ALSO INCLUDE HOW MANY PERSONS SPOKE IN FAVOR.
I BELIEVE IT WAS FOUR PERSONS THAT SPOKE, SPOKE IN FAVOR.
I DID NOT REMEMBER THE NUMBER OF LETTERS THAT WERE RECEIVED OR IN FAVOR OF OPPOSITION.
ALSO, THERE IS NO INFORMATION REGARDING THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE FOR THAT PARTICULAR CASE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. RENELL.
COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS TO AMEND DATED NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023.
MR. BILL IS MOVING FOR APPROVAL OF AMENDS MODIFIED.
IS THAT CORRECT QUESTION? THAT IS CORRECT.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? SECOND.
MR. NULL HAS SECONDED THAT MOTION.
IS THERE ANY UNREADINESS SEEING AND HEAR? NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.
AND ALSO, UH, AS A MATTER OF HOUSEKEEPING, I DON'T THINK I MENTIONED IT BEFORE.
IN FACT, WE, WE HAD A QUORUM DURING THE WORK SESSION.
WE ALSO HAVE A QUORUM DURING THIS REGULAR SESSION OF NOW, MR. BELL, MS. CAESAR, MR. RENELL, MR. ELLI, UH, MR. BERRY AND MYSELF.
UH, MR. ANE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE TRANSITION FROM OUR WORK SESSION TO OUR, OUR REGULAR SESSION.
UH, SO WE'RE ABOUT TO TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, UH, HAS, UH, UH, EVERYTHING THAT THEY NEED AND EVERYTHING'S IN ORDER.
BUT BEFORE WE TAKE THE RATE RECESS, THIS WILL BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.
UH, WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS SET TONIGHT.
UH, WE TAKE PRIDE THAT MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME FORWARD AND HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD, EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF ANY AGENDA ITEMS. SO AGAIN, WE HAVE THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION, OR ONE OR MORE OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR TONIGHT.
UH, TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT IS MR. TRENT CARROLL.
HE SEATED AT THE, UH, TABLE AS YOU WALKED IN.
IF YOU'LL PLEASE GET A COMMENT CARD FROM HIM, IF YOU'LL PLEASE WRITE DOWN YOUR INFORMATION.
ALSO, PLEASE NOTATE WHETHER YOU'RE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSED TO A PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.
AND THEN AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME WE'LL GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD ON MORE THAN ONE AGENDA ITEM, PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING.
SO PLEASE DON'T USE ONE PUBLIC, UH, ONE CARD FOR ALL THREE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IF YOU WANNA BE HEARD ON ALL THREE, THEN WE NEED THREE CARDS FROM YOU.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE TIME IS NOW 7 0 4.
WE'LL TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS AND WE'LL RECONVENE AT SEVEN 14.
[C. REGULAR SESSION - CALL TO ORDER]
EVENING ONCE AGAIN.LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE TIME IS NOW 7:14 PM WE'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MEETING OF DESOTO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION BACK TO ORDER.
[1. Continue the Public Hearing (from the November 14, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting) and consider making a recommendation to the City Council on Zoning Case Z-1507-23 for a Specific Use Permit (SUP) request in order to establish and operate a "Restaurant, Drive-Thru" at an existing restaurant located at 122 S. Hampton Road (BulleeZ) . The property is legally described as being Tract 38.1 in the Original Town DeSoto Addition. The applicant and property owner is Traxion Holdings LLC]
ON THE AGENDA IS OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON ANY OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO MY LEFT, YOUR RIGHT IS MR. TRENT CARROLL WHO SEES AT THE FRONT DOOR, IF YOU WILL, FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AND GIVE THAT TO HIM.
WHETHER YOU WANT TO BE HEARD ON AN AGENDA ITEM, EITHER IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION OF A PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM.
I SEE ALSO, IT'S BEEN BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT WE ALSO HAVE CITIZEN APPEARANCES, UH, LOCATED ON OUR AGENDA.
WE WILL GO THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FIRST AND THEN WE WILL ENTERTAIN ANY, UH, CITIZEN APPEARANCES OR IF THERE ARE ANY.
UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UH, ITEM NUMBER G ONE, CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING FROM NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023, PLANNING, ZONING, COMMISSION MEETING, AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMME RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON ZONING CASE Z DASH 1,507 DASH 23 FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, SUP REQUEST IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE A RESTAURANT, DRIVE-THROUGH AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT LOCATED AT 1 2 2 SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD.
UH, BULLETS, UH, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UH, OR LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING TRACK 38.1 IN THE ORIGINAL TOWN DESOTO EDITION.
THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER IS TRAXON HOLDS LLC AND MS. JORDAN WILLIAMS, IF WE CAN HAVE OUR STOP REPORT PLEASE.
CASE Z DASH 1 5 0 7 2 3 IS A SUP REQUEST FOR EXISTING RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH THE SITE IS 0.407 ACRES AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL RETAIL.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD IN 312 FEET SOUTH OR WEST BELTLINE ROAD.
IT IS ADDRESSED AS 1 2 2 SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD.
ON YOUR LEFT, THERE'S A, UH, AERIAL VIEW AND ON YOUR RIGHT IS A VICINITY VIEW.
HERE IS THE SUBMITTED SITE PLAN.
UH, SUP WAS, UH, REQUEST IS EXISTING
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RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH ON NOVEMBER 14TH, 2023.A PUBLIC HEARING WAS CONDUCTED BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR CASE Z DASH 15 0 7 DASH 23.
DURING STAFF PRESENTATION, STAFF INFORMED THE COMMISSION THAT DUE TO PRESENCE OF A FIRE LANE AT THE REAR OF THE BUILDING, IT APPEARED THAT THE RESTAURANT WOULD NOT MEET THE CITY STACKING REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER TO OPERATE A DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW.
DURING THE DISCUSSION OF THE CASE BY THE COMMISSION, COMMISSIONER BROOKS VOICE CONCERN ABOUT ACTING ON THE SUV REQUEST, WITHOUT KNOWING THE POSITION OF THE CITY'S FIRE DEPARTMENT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, NO ONE SPOKE IN, IN FAVOR OF THE OR IN OPPOSITION OF THE SUP.
ON NOVEMBER 16TH, 2023, STAFF MET WITH THE CITY'S FIRE MARSHAL AT THE RESTAURANT SITE TO DISCUSS FIRE MARSHAL'S POSITION REGARDING VEHICLE STACKING.
HERE'S A LETTER FROM THE FIRE MARSHAL STATING THAT, UM, HE WAS APPROVING STACKING IN THE FIRE LANE FOR POLICE LOCATED AT 1 2 2 SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD.
HERE ARE SOME IMAGES FROM, UH, THE EXISTING RESTAURANT.
WE HAVE A FRONT VIEW AND SIDE VIEWS AND A A FULL ON VIEW OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.
HERE'S SOME REAR VIEW, UM, IMAGES OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.
IT'S SHOWING THE, UH, FIRE LANE STACKING.
HERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, IMAGES OF THAT FIRE LANE STACKING ON SUNDAY, OCTOBER 29TH, 2023.
A NOTICE FOR PUBLIC HEARING WAS PUBLISHED AND FOCUSED DAILY NEWS STAFF MAILED 47 NOTIFICATION LETTERS TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AS OF NOVEMBER 9TH, 2023, STAFF RECEIVED ONE RETURN PUBLIC HEARING NOTICE IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICANT'S SUP REQUEST.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE NEW RESTAURANT BULLIES TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE DRIVE-THROUGH SERVICES AT 1 2 2 SOUTH HAMPTON ROAD.
COMMISSIONERS, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. RENO? GOOD EVENING MR. WILLIAMS? YES SIR.
UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.
I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND UM, FIRST OF ALL, IS THE APPLICANT HERE THIS EVENING? YES SIR.
I'LL HOLD THOSE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT.
THE THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE FOR YOU IS WHEN WERE THESE PICTURES TAKEN? UM, THESE PICTURES WERE TAKEN UM, ON THE DAY THAT WE MET WITH, UH, FIRE MARSHAL ON NOVEMBER 16TH.
MAY I ASK SPECIFICALLY YOUR REQUIRED, 'CAUSE THESE WAS YOUR QUESTION.
ONE DATE I TOOK 'EM BEFORE YOUR LAST PUBLIC HEARING.
THE ONE THAT SHOWS THE RAINY EVENT.
AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS THE DAY THAT WE MET THE FIRE MARSHAL AND WE PUT TWO CARS IN THE FIRE IN THE, UM, DRIVING LANE SO YOU CAN GET A VISUAL OF HOW MANY CARS WOULD STACK IN THAT DISTANCE.
UM, WAS THE APPLICANT AWARE THAT YOU WERE COMING TO VISIT THAT PARTICULAR DAY? I DOUBT IT.
MM-HMM,
SO THESE IMAGES ARE VERY NICE AND CLEAR, NOT IMPEDED WITH ANY OTHER UH, THINGS, BUT WHAT I SAW WAS JUST DIFFERENT, UH, KITCHEN EQUIPMENT THAT WAS STACKED OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A ONE TIME EVENT OR WOULD THAT BE A PRACTICE OF THAT, THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT.
WE'RE APPROVING IT, BUT YET IF THEY'RE GONNA BE STACKING ITEMS OUTSIDE THE BACK, UM, UM, NEAR THE FIRE LANE, THAT WOULD CONCERN ME.
THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE QUESTIONS, SIR.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? STAFF? ALRIGHT.
HEARING AND SEEING NONE, WE'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AT 7:20 PM NOW 7:21 PM TO REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE, THE APPLICANT CAN COME FORWARD.
UH, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF YOUR APPLICATION, THAT'D BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
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SIR, IF YOU WOULD JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.UH, MALIK MOHAMAD, DESOTO, TEXAS.
AND WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A STATEMENT OR ARE YOU SIMPLY MAKING YOURSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS? I'M MAKING MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR, FOR QUESTIONS.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, WE HAVE THE APPLICANT IN FRONT OF US.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. BELL? UH, GOOD EVENING.
UH, MR. MALIK, I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LAST NAME.
UH, MY QUESTION IS IN THE, IN THE PHOTO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE, WE SEE THAT TWO CARS ARE STACKED IN YOUR DRIVE THROUGH, ONE IS AT THE WINDOW AND ONE IS DIRECTLY BEHIND IT.
TYPICALLY FOR THIS DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW, DO YOU EXPECT THERE TO BE ONE TO THREE CARS SITTING THERE STACKED AND, AND NOT MORE THAN THAT? OR DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW, WHERE, WHERE YOU WOULD CUT THE LINE OFF AROUND THE BUILDING? UH, WELL THE, THE INITIAL SPOT THAT WE WANT TO PUT THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH BOARD WOULD ONLY ALLOW FOR ABOUT TWO CARS TO BE STACKED AT A TIME.
AND WHERE'S THAT BOARD GONNA BE LOCATED? RIGHT ON THE CORNER, UH, ON THIS BACK, EITHER THE BACK CORNER TO THE RIGHT OR THE BACK CORNER TO THE LEFT.
ONE OF THOSE TWO ARE, ARE THE AND IS THAT GONNA BE ATTACHED TO THE BUILDING OR SET OUT ON A PEDESTAL? IT'LL BE SET OUT ON A PEDESTAL.
SO PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO DRIVE KIND OF AROUND TO THE SPEAKER AND THEN COME BACK IN TO GET INTO THIS SPACE HERE TO EGRESS? YES.
IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT MR. AU? YES.
ARE YOU CURRENTLY OPERATING? YES, PLEASE.
AND NO, IS THERE, ARE YOUR, IS THE FOOD ITEMS, IS IT TAKE OUT ONLY AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME? YES.
AND DO YOUR, UH, CUSTOMERS PARK AT YOUR FACILITY AND COME IN TO PICK UP THE FOOD OR ARE YOU TAKING IT OUT TO THEM? UH, THEY PARK AND COME IN.
AND WHEN YOU GET THE, THE DEVICE SO THAT YOU CAN ORDER AND GO AROUND, WILL PEOPLE BE STAYING, WILL THEY HAVE TO STAY IN THEIR CAR UNTIL THE FOOD IS READY? YES.
AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY MUCH, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I HAVE FOR YOU.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, MR. MOHAM, UM, JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS.
MR. AU HAD A CONCERN EARLIER, I WANT YOU TO GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS IT.
UH, HE SAID ON SUNDAY AFTERNOON HE SAW KITCHEN SUPPLIES OR EQUIPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
IS THAT GONNA BE A NORMAL OCCURRENCE OR WAS IT JUST OUT THERE FOR THAT ONE TIME AND BEING AND WILL THAT EQUIPMENT BE MOVED INSIDE THE BUILDING? IT'LL BE MOVED INSIDE.
THOSE WERE BEING CLEANED AT THE TIME? YEAH.
UH, UH, AS YOU STAND BEFORE US, IS THERE GONNA BE ANYTHING, UH, THAT WILL RESTRICT, UH, THE FIRE LANE? UH, THE STAFF HAS TAKEN SOME GREAT PHOTOS AT DIFFERENT ANGLES, UH, BUT OBVIOUSLY WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS NOTHING THAT WOULD IMPEDE, UH, TRAFFIC.
DO YOU FORESEE HAVING ANY EQUIPMENT OR ANY ITEMS, UH, THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM THESE PICTURES THAT WOULD IMPEDE TRAFFIC? NO, SIR.
AND THEN ALSO, UM, IN TERMS OF, UH, IF THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS APPROVED, ARE YOU TAKING ORDERS AT THE WINDOW OR IS THERE GOING TO BE, I GUESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, A BOX OR, OR SOMEWHERE? WOULD YOU ORDER AND THEN MOVE TO THE WINDOW? HOW'S THAT GONNA HAPPEN? THERE'LL BE A SPEAKER AND A, UH, MENU BOARD OKAY.
AND, UH, IF APPROVED, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY.
IF WE EVER GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, AT CAPACITY, A LOT OF CARS WHERE, LIKE AT CHICK-FIL-A WE HAVE A, AN INDIVIDUAL OUT TAKING ORDERS TO KIND OF SPEED THE PROCESS UP.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY MR. AU? YES.
AT THE LAST MEETING, UH, THERE WAS A CONCERN ABOUT THE DRIVE THROUGH.
WHEN YOU GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH, IT'S GONNA CUT THROUGH SOME PARKING, UH, PLACES ARE, WILL YOU BE REMEDYING THAT? YES.
UH, MY, MY NEXT GOAL IS TO DEAL WITH THE DEAL WITH, UH, THE CITY WITH THE FACADE PROGRAM.
AND SO HOPEFULLY THAT'LL BE, ONCE I GET OVER, I CAN ONLY ATTACK ONE HURDLE AT A TIME.
SO I JUST WANT TO GET OVER ONE HURDLE, GET THE DRIVE THROUGH OPEN, GO OUT.
WE HAVE A PLAN, A, A, A PLAN TO, UH, TAKE CARE OF THE PARKING LOT SIGNAGE.
UH, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO TO BEAUTIFY THE, THE, UH, FACILITY, BUT ONE, ONE PROCESS AT A TIME.
AND JUST SO THAT I'M CLEAR, DID YOU JUST SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND FUTURE SITE, START TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR FACADE TO MEET, UH, THE NEW COATING THAT MAY BE COMING UP? ABSOLUTELY, YES.
THE, UH, THE, UH, MONUMENT SIGN, I THINK WE HAVE TO GET RID OF THE POLL SIGN WITH, WITH THE NEW ORDINANCE.
AND THEN WE ARE GONNA GO WITH THE MONUMENT SIGN, UH, AND, AND THEN THE, UM, THE DRIVE THROUGH BOARD AS WELL.
SO IT'LL ALL BE BROUGHT UP TO, TO NEW ORDINANCE.
COMMISSIONER AL JUST TO, FOR CORRECTION, I BELIEVE YOU
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WAS ASKING ABOUT THE CHARACTER CODES.NO, HE IS NOT EVEN KNOWLEDGEABLE, I BELIEVE OF THOSE CODES.
HE'S REFERRING TO SOME ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS THAT HE HAS TO MEET, UH, DEALING WITH HIS ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.
ONE OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS ACTUALLY AS WRITTEN, IDENTIFIES THAT, UH, A BUSINESS IN THE GENERAL RETAIL, ONCE IT GETS ESTABLISHED AS A CO, THEY'RE ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO REMOVE THE POLL SIGNS THAT ARE THERE AND REPLACE THAT POLL SIGN WITH A MONUMENT SIGN THAT WAS NOT CAUGHT BY MY STAFF WHEN HE CAME THROUGH, UH, TO ESTABLISH HIS RESTAURANT.
SO HE'S ADDRESSING SOME OTHER ITEMS, NOT THE CHARACTER BASE CODE.
HE WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED TO, HE WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE USAGES THAT WOULD, UH, IF HE'S CONSIDERED NON-COMPLIANCE, WOULD BE NON-CONFORMING, WHICH IS GONNA BE THE, THE CHARACTER FOR MANY OF THOSE PLACES.
SO NO, HE WAS NOT, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE CODES ARE RIGHT NOW, SO HE CERTAINLY DOESN'T KNOW.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, HEARING IS SAID, NONE.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CASE? I ASK ONCE AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CASE? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
WE'LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:27 PM COMMISSIONERS.
UH, IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR ARE WE PREPARED FOR A MOTION? OKAY, APPARENTLY THERE IS NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.
UH, SO IS THERE A MOTION MR. MR. ELLI? UH, YES, COMMISSIONER.
I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE SUP, UM, AS REQUESTED FOR THE OPERATION OF THE RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH, AS PRESENTED BY UM, AS COM AS PRESENTED BY THE CITY.
UH, COMMISSIONER ELLI HAS MADE, UH, A MOTION TO RECOMMEND A, UH, APPROVAL OF ZONING CASE Z DASH 15 0 7 DASH 23.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND IS SECONDED BY MR. RAVENNA.
IS THERE ANY UNREADINESS HEARING AND SEEING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND DO THE SAME.
UH, THE MOTION CARRIES SIX ZERO.
[2. Conduct a public hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council for the applicant's request to obtain a Specific Use Permit (SUP) in order to establish and operate a restaurant with a drive-through on property that is currently zoned General Retail (GR). The property is legally described as being Lot 1A, Block A, Brouwer Addition. The applicant is T2D Concept, and the property owner is the City of DeSoto. (Case No. Z-1509-23)]
TO OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS ITEM NUMBER G TWO, WHICH IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION, UH, TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO OBTAIN A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, SUP IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH AN OPERATE A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH ON PROPERTY THAT IS, UH, CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL RETAIL GR THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LOT ONE A BLOCK A UH, BROWER EDITION.THE APPLICANT IS T 2D CONCEPT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE C OF DESOTO.
AND THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1 5 0 9 DASH 23.
AND MS. ZI, MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? GOOD EVENING.
COMMISSIONERS EZ WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION CASE NUMBER Z 15 0 9 23 IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT.
REQUEST FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH THE SITE IS 0.49 ACRES AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL RETAIL.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF NORTHAMPTON ROAD AND NORTH OF EAST BELTLINE ROAD.
IT IS ADDRESSED AS ONE 10 NORTHAMPTON ROAD.
THIS IS, THIS IS THE AREA OF VIEW OF THE UM, OF THE SIDE.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND THE PROPERTIES TO THE NORTHEASTERN AND WEST ARE THE RETAIL USES WITH, UH, GE GENERAL RETAIL IS, UH, ZONING TO THE SOUTH IS A GAS STATION THAT IS ALSO ZONED GENERAL RETAIL.
THE FUTURE END USE PLANNER IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR MIXED USE, HISTORIC, HISTORIC RETAIL USES AND MIXED USE HISTORIC RETAIL USES IN CORPORATE, TRADITIONAL OR HISTORIC DESIGN, WHICH INCLUDE RESTAURANTS, RETAIL SHOPS, OFFICES, PUBLIC FACILITIES, AND RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE PROPOSAL RESTAURANT IS THEREFORE CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE 2015 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ACCESSED FROM NORTH HAMPTON ROAD AND NORTH HAMPTON ROAD IS A FOUR AT HERE ROAD ON THE MASTER THERAPY PLAN, AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO OBTAIN A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.
THE PROPERTIES ARE APPROXIMATELY
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0.499 ACRES IN SIZE.THE SITE PLAN SHOWS TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS TO BE CONSTRUCTED ON THIS LOT AND BUILDING NUMBER ONE IS, IS GOING TO BE ROOTS CHICKEN SHARK RESTAURANT IN THE BUILDING.
NUMBER TWO IS YET TO BE DETERMINED.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CITY'S NEW HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR.
HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR IS ENVISIONED AS A DESTINATION ORIENTED WITH MIXED USES AS WAS PRESENTED TO YOU BEFORE.
THE SUPU REQUEST IS ONLY TO ESTABLISH THE AND OPERATE A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.
PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY ZONED GENERAL RETAIL AND SECTION 36 POINT 10 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THROUGH.
IN GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT, THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH IS HARMONIOUS AND COMPATIBLE WITH OTHER RETAIL USES THAT ARE THAT CURRENTLY EXIST WITHIN THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR.
ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH, 2023, A PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN FOCUSED DAILY NEWS STAFF MAILED 63 NOTICES, NOTIFICATION LETTERS TO PROPERTIES WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SITE.
AND ON NOVEMBER 28, STAFF RECEIVED TWO LETTERS IN SUPPORT AND NO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION.
THIS IS THE, UH, CONCEPT PLAN CONCEPT SITE PLAN FOR THE SIDE.
AS I SAID, AGAIN, THIS IS THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT RIGHT HERE, THE BUILDING ONE, AND THIS IS A BUILDING TWO, WHICH THE USE HAS NOT YET BEEN DETERMINED.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE SPECIFIC USE REQUEST FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH ON CONDITION THAT NO BUILDING PERMIT BE ISSUED UNTIL STAFF CAN CONFIRM THAT THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHARACTER BASED CODE REGULATIONS FOR THE TON CORRIDOR AND THAT THE APPLICATIONS, APPLICANT'S SITE, SITE PLAN, LANDSCAPE AND ELEVATION PLANS ARE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY PLANNING AND ZONING DIVISION.
AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS SOME, SOME THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR YOUR, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS THAT STAFF CANNOT ANSWER.
ANY QUESTIONS OR FOR STAFF? MR. CHILL? I DO HAVE A QUESTION.
WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTER BASED CODES AND THAT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE YET.
SO HOW ARE WE MAKING A CONDITION ON THIS ONE THAT THE CHARACTER BASED CODES THAT WE WOULD REQUIRE, THAT THE CHARACTER THESE THAT THIS BUILDING PERMIT MEET CHARACTER BASED CODE REGULATIONS THAT DON'T YET EXIST? OR ARE THEY, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT EXISTING CHARACTER BASED CODE REGULATIONS? LET ME, LET ME ADDRESS THAT.
IF EVERYONE, IF EVERYONE WHO'S NOT SPEAKING, OKAY, YOUR MIC'S GOING.
THIS IS MY OPINION THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS IN IF THEY DECIDE TO APPROVE THIS SUP ADDING THE CONDITION STAFF IS ADVISED OR HAS SUGGESTED IN NUMBER ONE BECAUSE EXACTLY FOR THE POINT YOU WERE SAYING, UH, IF THAT WAS DRAFTED INTO THE SUP, THE SUP WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH.
WE'RE SAYING THIS SUP IS NOT GONNA GET A PERMIT UNTIL, UH, REGULATIONS THAT DON'T EXIST ARE COMPLIED WITH AND THEORETICALLY MAY NEVER EXIST.
UM, IF THIS PROJECT IS SCRAPPED OR THEY END UP NOT GETTING APPROVED, THIS SUP WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH.
UH, THIS IS AN SUP, IT'S, IT'S A USE, IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER USE.
IF THIS RESTAURANT IS BUILT IN SIX MONTHS AND SAY THOSE CHARACTER CODE BASED REGULATIONS ARE IN EFFECT IN SIX MONTHS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE REGULATIONS JUST BECAUSE THE REGULATIONS APPLY TO THEM.
AND THAT ZONING DISTRICT AND SU IS NO DIFFERENT.
THIS RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH, IF IT'S BUILT IN SIX MONTHS AND THOSE CHARACTER CODE, UH, REGULATIONS ARE IN EFFECT IN SIX MONTHS, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE JUST AS ANYTHING ELSE WOULD HAVE TO THAT WOULD BE BUILT, UM, IN THAT DISTRICT.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS EVEN IN THERE, IF THE CONSTRUCTION TAKES PLACE AFTER THOSE CODE, CHARACTER CODE REGULATIONS ARE IN EFFECT, IF THEY EVER DO BECOME IN EFFECT, THEY'LL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THEM ANYWAY.
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UM, THIS IS JUST SAYING YOU CAN USE THIS AS A RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH JUST, THEY CAN ALREADY USE IT AS A RESTAURANT.THEY COULD BUILD IT TODAY AS A RESTAURANT AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CHARACTER CODE REGULATIONS THAT DON'T EXIST.
UM, SO MY ADVICE IS TO CAUTION APPROVING THE SUP, UM, WITH THAT, UH, CONDITION ON IT BECAUSE IT'S WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH.
BUT MAY I HAVE A FOLLOW UP? BUT, BUT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE WITH RESPECT TO ITEM TWO, THE SITE, THE LANDSCAPE, THE ELEVATION PLANS, ANY OF THOSE WOULD BE SUBJECT TO BEING SUBMITTED AND APPROVED FOR WHATEVER REGULATIONS ARE IN EFFECT AT THE TIME THAT THEY MAKE THAT APPLICATION FAIR? YES.
IF ONCE, YOU KNOW, STAFF GETS THAT SIDE PLAN, 'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ADVISED IT, IT DOESN'T EXIST NOW, RIGHT? THAT SIDE PLAN, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THE CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE CITY'S ORDINANCES, WHICH IT DOES, UM, HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS IN THERE, THEN AT THAT POINT, YEAH, THAT'S THE SITE PLAN THAT CAN BE WRITTEN INTO, UH, AN SUP.
WE JUST ACTUALLY DID THAT WITH ONE.
UM, THE SITE PLAN DIDN'T EXIST, BUT AS LONG AS THE SITE PLAN IS APPROVED, YOU KNOW, IT MEETS ALL THOSE CONDITIONS THAT ALREADY EXIST IN THE CITY'S ORDINANCES, THEN THAT'S THE SITE PLAN.
APPRECIATE YOUR HELP ALL COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? MR. REVENUE? NO.
YEAH, I, I THINK I NEED TO ADD, UH, SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.
STAFF DOES FEEL THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE IN THE, UH, SUP REGULATIONS.
YES, YOU HAVE BEEN ADVISED BY YOUR CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, BUT WE'RE GIVING YOU OUR PROFESSIONAL ADVICE AND, AND OUR, UH, POSITION, UH, TAKE ME BACK TO THE SITE PLAN PLEASE.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THAT WE ARE ONLY ASKING AT THIS POINT AND THE APPLICANT IS TO HAVE HIS USE APPROVED.
WE HAVE BROUGHT YOU ON PRIOR CASES, UH, SUP REQUESTS THAT HAVE INCLUDED DETAILED CONCEPT PLANS THAT WOULD ADDRESS A BUILDING SETBACK THAT WOULD ADDRESS ACCURATELY THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD ADDRESS ACCURATELY LANDSCAPING ALL THESE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
SO WE ARE CONCURRING AND THE APPLICANT IS CONCURRING.
HE IS AWARE THAT THE CITY IS WORKING ON A CHARACTER BASED STUDY THAT HAS NOT BEEN DEFINED RIGHT NOW.
THE CITY ITSELF HAS NOT THROUGH OUR CITY COUNCIL, HAVE NOT IMPLEMENTED ANY MORATORIUMS STOPPING, BUILDING PERMITTING TO BE ISSUED THROUGH THE CITY.
AND AS SUCH, YES, THE APPLICANT, IF HE WANTED TO, COULD PROCEED FORWARD WITH THE PROPERTY ZONE, GENERAL RETAIL, UH, TO GET A PACIFIC USE PERMIT.
BUT BASED UNDER THE GENERAL RETAIL REQUIREMENTS, HE DOES NOT WANT TO, HE DOES NOT DESIRE TO DEVELOP UNDER THE GENERAL RETAIL REQUIREMENT.
UH, HE IS CONCEDING TO HIS DESIRE TO DEVELOP UNDER THE CHARACTER BASE.
WE'RE JUST ADDING ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.
SO IF ANY OF US LEAVE OUR POSITIONS TOMORROW, THE LANGUAGE WILL BE IN THERE TO NOT ALLOW A BUILDING PERMIT TO BE ISSUED UNLESS PLANS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CHARACTER BASE ARE PRESENTED TO STAFF.
THANK YOU MR. THANK YOU MS. BREW, MR. AU.
'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS THAT I HAD THIS EVENING.
AS I LOOK AT THIS SCHEMATIC, UM, I'M GOING, WHERE'S THE PARKING? UH, AND I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE IF THAT DRIVE-THROUGH IS GOING BEHIND BUILDINGS AND I'M TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT THAT MESS WITH PEDESTRIANS OR VARIOUS THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THIS IS ALL THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE OUR DECISION ON THE CEILING.
IS THAT CORRECT? AGAIN, YOU'RE NOT MAKING YOUR DECISION ON A SITE PLAN.
AND THAT'S WHY WE FEEL AS STAFF TO PROTECT WHETHER WE ARE SITTING IN OPPOSITIONS OF SOMEONE ELSE TO HAVE A DOCUMENT THAT BECOMES A PART OF OUR RECORD THAT WILL SAY THAT AT THE TIME OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WAS CONDUCTED FOR A ZONING USE, THE USE FOR A DRIVE THROUGH WAS BEING CONSIDERED.
NOT THE USE, NOT THE SITE PLAN ITSELF.
THAT WOULD GIVE ANOTHER STAFF AN INDICATION THAT THUS WE ARE APPROVING SO MANY PARKING SPACES, WHICH WE'RE NOT, WE'RE APPROVING THE, THE BUILDING BEING RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH WE ARE NOT.
BUT THIS SITE PLAN, THIS CONCEPT PLAN WILL BE A PART OF, IS IT A PART OF THE DOCUMENT? I DON'T REMEMBER HOW THE DOCUMENT IS WRITTEN.
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OKAY.BUT THE SUP IS FOR THE USE ONLY 100% USE ONLY, AND I APOLOGIZE, I MIXED UP BY CASES.
SO USE ONLY, OKAY, MS. SMITH, THAT IS WHAT AN SUP IS.
UM, YOU CAN ADD OTHER CONDITIONS ON THERE LIKE HOURS OF OPERATION, THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND TYPICALLY THEY DO HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, YOU KNOW, AN INCLUDED SITE PLAN.
SITE PLANS ARE TYPICALLY INCLUDED IN THAT SUP JUST YOU MUST BE IN GENERAL CONFORMANCE WITH THIS SITE PLAN FOR THIS USE IF YOU DECIDE TO USE IT FOR A RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH.
UM, THAT IS CORRECT, BUT THAT IS WHAT AN SUP IS.
YOU CAN, IT'S A USE THAT NOT, YOU KNOW, BUY, RIGHT? YOU ADD IT JUST LIKE A RESTAURANT IS BY RIGHT.
IN GENERAL RETAIL, WELL, A RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH IS NOT, YOU JUST HAVE TO SAY YES.
IT, IT CONFORMS WITH THE GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS LIKE THE NUISANCE THAT THAT WOULD CAUSE IS OKAY.
UM, AND SAY YES, YOU CAN HAVE A, YOU CAN HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, UH, CORRECT THAT SITE PLANS ARE TYPICALLY INCLUDED IN THAT Y'ALL DO REVIEW THOSE IF, 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA GET AN IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THIS TYPICALLY, ESSENTIALLY SUVS ARE FOR NUISANCE USES THAT DON'T REALLY CONFORM BUT COULD CONFORM.
SO YOU LOOK AT THAT SITE PLAN AND THAT SITE PLAN IS INCORPORATED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY SAY IS GONNA HAPPEN IS GONNA HAPPEN.
THAT YOU REALIZE THAT YOU, OH, IT IS GONNA BE HARMONIOUS.
THE NUISANCE NOT GONNA BE TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, THE TRAFFIC ISN'T GONNA CREATE A BIG NUISANCE PROBLEM.
SO YEAH, SITE PLANS ARE INCORPORATED INTO THOSE.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S NORMAL.
UM, I WOULD SAY IF THE CITY DOES GO FORTH WITH THIS CHARACTER BASED REZONING, IF NOTHING'S DEVELOPED HERE AND THE PROPERTY'S REZONED, IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE REZONING THAT OCCURS ON ITS PROPERTY AND COMPLY WITH ALL THOSE NEW REGULATIONS THAT ARE GONNA COME IN WITH THAT CHARACTER BASED CODING.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CHARACTER-BASED CODING IS CREATING NEW DISTRICTS.
IF NOTHING'S DEVELOPED HERE, IF, AND THIS IS INCLUDED IN THAT AREA, THAT'S GONNA BE REZONED INTO WHATEVER NEW DISTRICT AND IT'S GONNA HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE CODES AND POTENTIALLY GET A NEW SUP IF THE UNDERLYING, YOU KNOW, ZONING DESIGNATION.
IE GENERAL RETAIL IN THIS CASE IS, YOU KNOW, CONVERTED OVER TO ONE OF THE, UH, HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR SUBDISTRICTS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD.
TO MAKE IT A SHORT A STATEMENT.
OUR PRACTICE HAS BEEN, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WHEN WE'VE HAD SUVS, I'LL UH, ASK THE MEMBERS WHO'VE BEEN HERE THE LONGEST.
EVERY SUP WE'VE BROUGHT YOU, WE'VE HAD A CONCEPT PLAN AND THAT CONCEPT PLAN BECAME A PART OF THAT DOCUMENT WHEN IT WENT TO COUNCIL AS A ORDINANCE AND BECAME MORE OF A DEFINITIVE DRAWING OF WHAT THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS GOING TO TO BE.
PARKING, SETBACKS, LANDSCAPING AND ALL OF THAT.
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT WALKING THAT SAME WALK IS WHY STAFF IS FEELING WE NEED THAT LANGUAGE IN IT AND THUS WE'RE ONLY COMING TO YOU YES.
FOR A USE THIS TIME THAT OUR PRACTICE HAS ALSO BEEN A CONCEPT PLAN WAS A PART OF IT.
YES, I STAFF, I THINK WHAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT IS BECAUSE ALL THE DECISIONS WE HAVE MADE SO FAR, SUVS HAVE INCLUDED THE CONCEPT PLANNING AND VARIOUS THINGS.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S MAKING IT DIFFICULT FOR ME.
BUT I WANT TO ASK, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS SUP THEN IT GOES TO SOMEONE ELSE TO ENSURE THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH IS MEETING EVERYTHING THAT IT NEEDS TO MEET ONCE IT'S PUT IN.
UH, IT JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION IN THINKING ABOUT, UM, THE PRIOR MATTER AND THE PRIOR MEETING IN TERMS OF, I BELIEVE IT WAS MY RECOLLECTION THAT THE SUP COULD EXPIRE IF IT WASN'T IN CONTINUOUS USE FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
'CAUSE I THINK, AGAIN, I'M THINKING ABOUT THE LAST CASE AND THE FACT THAT IT HAD BEEN A DRIVE-THROUGH AND THEN IT WASN'T A DRIVE-THROUGH FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.
SO HOW DOES THIS WORK WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN AND YOU DON'T HAVE A, YOU DON'T HAVE AN INTENTION TO BUILD THIS, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GET AN SUP.
HOW LONG WILL THAT SUP BE GOOD FOR IF THERE'S NOT USE THERE? UH, COMMISSIONER THE CASE YOU'RE REFERRING TO DID NOT HAVE AN SUP ON IT.
THE CASE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING
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TO WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED IN OUR UNDERSTANDING AS A SONIC RESTAURANT SINCE THEN.IT HAD MULTIPLE USAGES ON THAT AT SOME POINT THEN THE CITY THROUGH A CITY COUNCIL AMENDED THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO REQUIRE RESTAURANTS WITH HAVING DRIVE-THROUGHS TO HAVE TO HAVE IT.
SO NONE OF THOSE OTHER USAGES HAD AN SUP.
WE HAVE SUVS NUMBERED ON OUR MAPS NOW THAT DON'T EXIST NOW UNLESS WE WRITE A TERM IN THE SUP THAT SUP IS GOING TO SIT ON THAT MAP UNTIL IT GETS, UM, CINDY, CAN WE GET SOME, CAN WE GET SOME OF YOU TO CUT OFF? SO BEST SUVS, THEY COPE WITH LAND JUST LIKE SONY.
UNLESS THAT SUP IS RESCINDED, IT GOES WITH LAND.
SO, SO ADDRESSING WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, THE CASE YOU JUST BROUGHT UP WAS NOT A SUP.
APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION MR. BELL.
MR. BREWER, YOU SAID THE, UH, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S INTENTION WAS TO COMPLY WITH THE NEW CODE THAT HAS YET TO BE WRITTEN, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND HE IS HERE TO BE ABLE TO CORRECTION THE PROPERTY OWNS THE CITY.
REMEMBER THAT IN THIS CASE, THE CITY OF DESOTO OWNS THIS PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN DELEGATED BY THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO COME TALK ABOUT THIS USE ON THIS PROPERTY.
THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF CONTRACT IT HAS IF IT HASN'T BEEN WRITTEN TO BE WRITTEN.
I JUST WANNA CORRECT YOU WHEN YOU SAY PROPERTY OWNER.
SO THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE CITY.
THE APPLICANT IS, UH, REPRESENTING THE RUTH'S RUTH'S CHICKEN SHACK.
IF THIS SUP WERE APPROVED AND THE THE PROPERTY USER CHANGED HIS MIND OR FOR SOME REASON DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH HIS INTENTION TO FOLLOW THE CODE, AND THEN THOSE RULES WERE SET IN PLACE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, THEN HAVE TO, OR I GUESS THEY WOULD BE GRACED INTO UNTIL THEY MADE A CHANGE INTO THAT CODE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY THAT
LEMME SEE IF I CAN, LEMME SEE IF I CAN FOLLOW YOU.
IF THE, THE, IF THE PROPERTY USER AGAINST HIS INTENTIONS SET OUT TO YOU JUST WENT AHEAD AND BUILT HIS RESTAURANT UNDER THE STANDARD SUP WITHOUT THE NEW CODE THAT HAS YET TO BE WRITTEN AND UM, THAT NEW CODE THEN TOOK EFFECT, THAT PROPERTY OWNER WOULD BE UNDER GRACE UNTIL HE MADE A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE TO THAT, THAT PROPERTY BEFORE HE WOULD HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO THE NEW CODE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY, HEARING IS, SEEING NONE.
WE WILL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY NOW, UH, TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS CASE AT 7:49 PM UH, AGAIN, ANY INTERESTED, INTERESTED PARTY, UH, WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, IF YOU PLEASE STEP FORWARD, UM, PLEASE, UH, FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AS WELL WITH MR. CARROLL SO WE CAN HAVE YOUR POSITION NOTATED.
IF THE APPLICANT IS IN ATTENDANCE, NOW'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND EITHER MAKE A STATEMENT AND OR MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, NOW'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY.
AND SIR, SINCE YOU'RE ALREADY AT THE PODIUM, IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I'M THE DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FOR MADEWELL COMPANIES.
WE ARE THE DEVELOPER FOR T 2D, UH, ON THE CHICKEN CHAT RESTAURANT.
I AM, UH, IN CARROLLTON, TEXAS.
UM, I WANTED TO SAY FIRST OF ALL THAT UH, WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE A PART OF A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE IN THE CITY OF DESOTO.
UM, THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT HAS BEEN KIND OF A BABY THAT'S BEEN WORKED ON BETWEEN, UH, BRANDON WRIGHT, MATT CARLSON, UM, CITY COUNCILWOMAN, UH, MARKS BACK THERE, UM, AS SOMETHING THAT WAS A PART OF A LOOKING FORWARD CITY OF DESOTO FROM OUR UNDERSTANDING IS REALLY LOOKING TO GET ON THE MAP, SO TO SPEAK.
AND YOU CAN KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE APPROVED PROJECTS HERE IN THE CITY TO TRY TO BUILD THE CHARACTER, TO TRY TO BUILD A, A COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR, UM, UH, CHARACTER BASED CODE, WHICH, UH, HAS BEEN WORKED ON BY HALF AN ASSOCIATES AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THEM AND THEY HAVE SEEN OUR PROJECT AND
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FEEL THAT IT WORKS WELL WITHIN THAT.BUT THAT CODE IS REALLY TO CREATE A WALKABILITY TYPE AREA ON HAMPTON ROAD TO REALLY GET THE COMMUNITY INVOLVED AND PART OF THE PROJECT, UH, CHEF, UM, TIFFANY DAIRY IS REALLY THE, UH, THE BRAIN CHILD BEHIND THE CONCEPT FOR CHICKEN SHACK.
AND SO WHEN TOM AND TIFFANY FIRST CAME TO THE CITY AND THE CITY DECIDED THAT THEY WERE THE APPROPRIATE PARTY TO, UH, CREATE THIS TYPE OF A CONCEPT HERE, UM, ORIGINALLY HAVING A DRIVE-THROUGH IS DEFINITELY A PART OF THE CHICKEN SHACK CONCEPT.
UM, AND THE REASON WE'RE DOING THIS IS BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND THAT BEING ON THE CUSP OF CHANGE, BEING ON THE CUSP OF DOING SOMETHING NEW REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF FORWARD THINKING.
IT REQUIRES A LITTLE BIT OF RISK TAKING, NOT SO MUCH THAT IT'S GOING TO CAUSE HARM, BUT SO MUCH THAT IT HELPS PEOPLE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIRE THAT YOU ALL HAVE.
AND THIS CONCEPT BASED ON WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE WITH THE BUILDINGS BEING, YOU KNOW, UP ON THE SIDEWALK RIGHT NOW, IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT THE CHARACTER CODE, UM, IS LOOKING TO DO.
AND IF Y'ALL HAVE SEEN THE INITIAL, UH, UH, PACKET THAT WAS PRESENTED BY HALF AN ASSOCIATES TO WHAT THE HAMPTON CORRIDOR WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE, I MEAN, THERE'S GONNA BE 14 FEET OF SIDEWALK AND BEAUTIFICATION THAT GOES IN FRONT OF EACH ONE OF THESE BUILDINGS GOING ALONG HAMPTON ROAD.
UM, ALL OF THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS THERE ARE GONNA BE DEALT WITH AT A LATER TIME BASED ON WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THIS CHARACTER CODE BECAUSE IT'S A WALKABILITY THING.
THE IDEA IS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE PARKING AVAILABLE IN PUBLIC PARKING AREAS ON THE STREET, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING AGAIN, TO PUSH FORWARD WITH A WALKABILITY TYPE, UH, FACILITY.
THE SECOND BUILDING THERE THAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT AS BEING SORT OF A RESTAURANT TRAINING TYPE FACILITY THAT AGAIN, WILL BE SOMETHING THAT, UH, IS THE CITY OF DESOTO WILL BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM BECAUSE IT'LL BE ABLE TO TRAIN PEOPLE TO BE IN THAT BUSINESS WHO ARE GONNA BE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY HERE.
SO I THINK THAT THE CITY'S INITIAL THOUGHTS IN, UM, HAVING CHICKEN SHACK BE A PART OF THIS WAS REALLY TO BRING THEM IN BECAUSE THEY FELT THEY WERE THE RIGHT PARTNER FOR THIS PROJECT.
AND, UM, AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS WITH SOMETHING THAT NOBODY'S REALLY SURE OF YET, WE HAVE TO TAKE BABY STEPS.
AND PART OF THAT IS TO ENSURE THAT WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING COMPLETE AND A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING COMPLETE SO WE HAVE SOMETHING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH.
AND STAFF HAS BEEN JUST FABULOUS IN EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO HERE AS MADEWELL COMPANIES IN THE CITY REALLY LOOKING TO TRY TO, TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE FORWARD THINKING THAT Y'ALL ARE TRYING TO DO HERE.
'CAUSE I MEAN, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT A SKATING RINK OUT IN FRONT.
I MEAN, WHO HAS THAT IN TEXAS? YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE REALLY PUSHING TO DO SOMETHING NEAT HERE AND WE'RE REALLY PROUD TO BE A PART OF THAT.
I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MOHAMMED, HE'S OUR PRINCIPAL PARTNER AND HE HAS A COUPLE THINGS TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR OTHER CONCERNS.
GOOD EVENING, UM, UH, COMMISSIONERS.
I MEAN, NAME IS MOHAMMAD KASAM, UH, WITH MADEWELL COMPANIES REPRESENTING T CONCEPTS, UH, WITH CITY OF PLANO.
UM, MY, I RESIDE IN PLANO AND UH, OUR COMPANY'S BASED OUTTA CARROLLTON.
UM, JUST TO ADD TO MY COLLEAGUE STEVE, UM, I THINK WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BE HERE AND WORKING WITH TOM AND TIFFANY ON THIS PROJECT.
UH, I REALLY WANTED TO JUST TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY ON ECHO ON KIND OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WAS JUST BEING HAD ON THE SUPN, SOME OF THE CONDITIONS BEING, BEING TALKED ABOUT TO PUT LIGHT TO TWO OR THREE, UM, KEY CON KEY COMPONENTS.
ONE, UM, IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY OWNS, UH, THE PROPERTY AND WHERE THE, UH, WHERE THE APPLICANT AND WE'RE GONNA BE DEVELOPING THE CONCEPT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH TDC CONCEPT WHERE THE, THE ACTUAL, UM, UH, LEGAL OWNERSHIP WILL TRANSFER OVER TO, UH, T 2D CONCEPT.
SO WE WILL INHERIT THIS PROPERTY.
HOWEVER, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ITSELF STIPULATES THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE BUILDING SOMETHING WHICH IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CITY'S VISION GOING FORWARD.
SO, UM, I DEFINITELY APPRECIATE AND THAT'S FOR, FOR THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AND UH, UH, TO DECIDE.
AND CITY STAFF HAS OBVIOUSLY PUT IN THEIR RECOMMENDATION WE'RE A LITTLE BIT AGNOSTIC TO IT BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE, THE REAL REASON TO BRING IN CHICKEN SHACK HERE IS TO SEE THAT FUTURE VISION FOUR FOR THE CITY.
WE DO APPRECIATE THAT THOSE STANDARDS HAVE NOT YET BEEN PUT IN PLACE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT PUTTING A SITE PLAN HERE TODAY.
BUT WE DO HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE TRANSFER OF LAND.
HOWEVER, THAT TRANSFER OF LAND CAN ONLY BE DONE WITH KNOWING THAT THERE IS A DRIVE THROUGH CONCEPT USE ALREADY ACCEPTED ON THE PIECE OF
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PROPERTY BEFORE THAT TRANSFER OCCURS.SO IT'S JUST THAT COMPLEXITY OF THAT PROCESS IS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS STEP FIRST, GET IT TRANSFERRED, AND THEN WE'LL BRING THE SITE PLAN AND HOPEFULLY DURING THAT TIME WE WOULD HAVE THE STANDARDS APPROVED.
BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN THIS SITE PLAN MULTIPLE ITERATIONS WITH HALF ASSOCIATES TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER COMES THROUGH THE PROCESS, IT HAS GONE THROUGH THAT MACHINERY OF KNOWING THAT IT WILL MEET THAT, UH, TEST OF MAKING, THAT IT WILL GET DEVELOPED ACCORDING TO THOSE STANDARDS.
BUT REGARDLESS OF THE LANGUAGE HERE OR OUR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WE HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT THE CITY DESIRES TO BE THE SHIP AND LOOK OF THE OF, OF, OF THAT BUILDING.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONERS.
ANY QUESTIONS? AND SO, AND TO JUST BE CLEAR, UH, THE LANGUAGE THAT THE CITY IS SUGGESTING, UH, OR THE CONDITIONS I SHOULD SAY, NO BUILDING PERMITS SHALL BE ISSUED UNTIL STAFF CAN CONFIRM THAT THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHARACTER-BASED, UH, CODE REGULATIONS FOR HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR.
AND NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT'S SITE LANDSCAPE AND ELEVATION PLAN, SO SUBMITTED TO AND APPROVED BY THE CITY'S PLAN IS ZONING DIVISION.
UH, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR, I WANT IT TO COME FROM YOUR MOUTH, NOT MINE.
YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU'RE IN COMPLETE AGREEMENT WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? WE, WE ARE COMFORTABLE WITH THE CONDITIONS.
HOWEVER, I THINK, UM, BASED ON COUNSEL'S ASSERTIONS, YOU KNOW, HAVING IT DEFINED TO THE CHARACTER CODE IS BETWEEN THE CITY AND TO KIND ENFORCE THAT, OR IF IT'S WRITTEN UP TO THAT CURRENT CODE AT THE TIME OF THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL, WE'RE FINE WITH THAT LANGUAGE TOO.
SO, UH, I THINK EITHER CASE IS, IS OKAY WITH US.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONERS.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT'S? I, I GOT ANOTHER QUESTION, MR. BELL.
UH, MR. MOHAMMED, UH, YOU MADE MENTION OF, UH, YOUR DEVELOPMENT DEAL AND UM, I, I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU SAY IT, BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR, YOU SAID THAT IF THIS SUP IS APPROVED, THEN THE LAND WOULD BE TRANSFERRED TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? ALRIGHT, HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER INTERESTED PARTY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CASE? AGAIN, I ASK AGAIN, IS THERE ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON CASE NUMBER Z DASH 15 0 9 DASH 23? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF MR. CHAIR.
UH, MR. BREWER, IF WE, IF THIS IS APPROVED AND THE LAND IS TRANSFERRED TO THE DEVELOPER AND FOR SOME REASON THE DEVELOPER DOES NOT COME WITH A SITE PLAN THAT IS UP TO THE STANDARDS OR MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW CODE, THEY WILL SIMPLY JUST OWN THIS PROPERTY AND THEY CANNOT BUILD ON IT UNTIL THEY GET AN APPROVAL.
YOU GOING TOO DEEP? BECAUSE AGAIN, I, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT HAS BEEN WORKED OUT BETWEEN OUR CITY COUNCIL AND THE, AND THE ORGANIZATION.
I HAVE TO STAY AT MY LEVEL, WHICH IS THE ZONING PART.
UH, CAN WE GET A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THAT QUESTION PERHAPS? MM-HMM.
NOT AS, UH, DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIRECTOR.
I'M SAYING THAT MAY BE THE INDIVIDUAL, THE REPRESENTATIVE, BUT THE COUNCIL DECISION IS FOR MEMBERS AND I APOLOGIZE IF I'M STEPPING OUT.
WE DEFINITELY WANNA STAY, UM, DECENT IN, IN ORDER.
SO IF THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE, WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA DO THAT.
UH, UH, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. BREWER WHILE HE'S AT THE PODIUM? I DID WANNA MAKE ONE MORE COMMENT.
I THINK WE FAILED IN YOUR PACKAGES.
WE DID INCLUDE FOR YOU INFORMATION ON RUTH'S CHICKEN SHACK.
I THINK I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I EVEN LOOKED AT THIS INFORMATION FROM THEIR FACILITY IN PLANO.
AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU ALSO LOOK AT IT IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY LOOKED AT IT.
BUT JUST, UH, EVEN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING ONLINE, PLEASE CHECK OUT THE, UH, THE PLANO, UM, FACILITY.
YES, THIS QUESTION IS FOR COUNSEL.
UM, QUESTION FOR WHO? COUNSEL? UH, HOLD ON, HOLD ON, HOLD ON JUST A SECOND.
I, I THINK WE'VE DETERMINED THAT SINCE UH, DR. MARKS IS THE ONLY REPRESENTATIVE HERE.
NOT CITY COUNCIL, BUT COUNCIL.
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OKAY.WELL, YEAH, YOU CAN ASK HIM ALL THE QUESTIONS YOU WANT.
UM, MY QUESTION FOR YOU IS BASED ON, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS SAID THIS EVENING, DO YOU STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY RELATIVE TO THE MOTION THAT WE SHOULD MAKE THIS EVENING? ABSOLUTELY.
I DO NOT THINK THAT SHOULD BE A CONDITION ON THE SUP.
UM, THEY CANNOT COMPLY WITH IT.
IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO COMPLY WITH WHETHER THESE FUTURE REGULATIONS COME AT A LATER DATE AND THEY'RE VOLUNTARILY, YOU KNOW, ARE COMPLYING WITH WHAT THEY KNOW.
THOSE REGULATIONS MAY BE GREAT, BUT THEY CANNOT COMPLY WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES NOT AND MAY NOT EXIST.
FAIR, FAIR ENOUGH, MR. MR. JOEY? NO QUESTIONS.
AND I DON'T SEE ANY OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS CASE.
SO THEREFORE WE'LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AT 8:02 PM TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE.
COMMISSIONERS, OR IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR ARE WE READY TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION? AND I ASK IT THAT WAY TO SEE MR. MR. SHE, I, I'M READY TO MOVE.
YOU WANNA MAKE A MOTION? GO AHEAD, MAKE QUESTION, GO FOR IT.
UM, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THIS, UH, SPECIFIC USE PERMIT, UM, FOR THE RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH ON THE PROPERTY, BUT WITHOUT THE CONDITIONS, UM, AS, UH, WITHOUT THE TWO CONDITIONS, UH, OUTLINED.
MS. ELLI HAS MADE THE MOTION TO, UH, MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE SUP WITHOUT, UH, THE TWO CONDITIONS, UM, REQUESTED BY STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? ALRIGHT, AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS.
IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? OKAY, WITHOUT A SECOND.
COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE A DIFFERENT MOTION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN AT THIS TIME? ALRIGHT, I SEE WE'RE NOT PREPARED, UM, TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME.
SO LET ME JUST GO DOWN THE LINE.
MR. BELL, WHAT ARE YOUR FEELINGS ABOUT THIS, UH, PARTICULAR ZONING CASE? UH, MR. CHAIR.
CAN, CAN WE GET THOSE CONDITIONS RESTATED, PLEASE? YES.
THE CONDITIONS AND, AND, UH, MR. BREWER OR, OR MS. JORDAN WILLIAMS, CAN YOU, UH, PUT 'EM UP ON THE, ON THE UH, SCREEN AGAIN? SLIDE 12 I THINK.
UH, SO AGAIN, UH, THERE IT IS ON THE SCREEN.
SO, CONDITION NUMBER ONE THE STAFF IS REQUESTING IS NO BUILDING PERMIT SHALL BE ISSUED UNTIL STAFF CAN CONFIRM THAT THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION WILL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CHARACTER-BASED CODE REGULATIONS FOR HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR.
AND THE APPLICANT'S SITE CONDITION NUMBER TWO, UH, LANDSCAPE AND ELEVATION PLANS ARE SUBMITTED TO AND APPROVED BY THE CITY'S PLAN ZONING DIVISION.
SO THOSE ARE THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT STAFF ARE REQUESTING.
UH, KEEP IN MIND, OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS REQUESTING THOSE CONDITIONS.
OUR CITY ATTORNEY IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT YOU, UH, THAT WE AS A COMMISSION, UH, SHOULD NOT ADD THOSE CONDITIONS, UH, BECAUSE THE CHARACTER CODE, THE CHARACTER BASED CODE REGULATIONS DO NOT EXIST AS OF TODAY.
SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT.
MR. SMITH, IF YOU WANT TO ADD TO THAT, CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN JUST CLARIFY, I'M ONLY ADVISING AGAINST CONDITION NUMBER ONE.
UM, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE AND DONE VERY RECENTLY.
SO AGAIN, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S POSITION IS HIS OPPOSITION ONLY TO CONDITION NUMBER ONE.
SO COMMISSION, UH, WITH THOSE CONDITIONS BEING READ AGAIN, UH, IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION TO BE CONSIDERED POINT OF ORDER? CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION THEN ON? 'CAUSE I DON'T, NUMBER TWO HAPPENS NO MATTER WHAT.
SO I DON'T UNDER, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FUNCTION OF MAKING ITEM TWO A PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SUP.
THOSE THINGS HAVE TO HAPPEN ANYWAY, SO I I ONE CAN'T HAPPEN 'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE AND TWO HAPPENS WHETHER WE AGREE OR WHETHER WE STIPULATE IT AS PART OF THE SUP APPROVAL OR DON'T IS SO WHY, SO, OKAY, SO I THINK I I WILL ATTEMPT TO ASSIST.
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SO BASICALLY MR. CHAIR, BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS WE SHOULDN'T EVEN CONSIDER TWO 'CAUSE TWO'S GONNA HAPPEN ANYWAY.AND I THINK, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR STAFF, AND STAFF WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
I THINK THE MAIN ONE BETWEEN THE TWO THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROVE IS ITEM NUMBER ONE ANYWAY.
SO I THINK BASICALLY PURSUANT TO YOUR STATEMENT, WE COULD DISREGARD UNLESS STAFF HAS A DISAGREEMENT WITH THAT, WE CAN DISREGARD DISREGARD CONDITION TWO.
AND WHAT WE'RE REALLY HERE TO DETERMINE IS WHETHER OR NOT CONDITION NUMBER ONE SHOULD BE A CONDITION OF THIS SUP OR NOT, OR IF IT SHOULD BE APPROVED AT ALL.
AND MR. BUR, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON THAT? YEAH, I JUST GOT A TEXT AND BOTTOM LINE IF YOU WANNA REMOVE BOTH OF THEM, THAT'S YOUR CALL.
STAFF WON'T HAVE A POSITION WITH THAT.
SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS, YOU JUST HEARD MR. BREWER, UH, BASICALLY THEY'RE NOW, UH, DEFERRING TO THE COMMISSION IN TERMS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD ADD ONE OR BOTH OR NONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, IS THERE A, IS THERE A MOTION, UH, MR. CHAIR, I WONDER IF WE CAN HAVE COMMISSIONER ELLI RESTATE HER MOTION AND I WILL JUST SAY I AGREE WITH COUNSEL THAT WE CANNOT MAKE A STIPULATION THAT IS NOT, THAT, THAT THE, UH, PARTICIPANT WOULD NOT HAVE AN ABILITY TO, TO DO, TO, TO COMPLY WITH.
MS. CAESAR, UM, MR. CHAIR, ME ALSO, I DON'T SEE HOW, UH, WE COULD ASK FOR SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST TO BE VOTED ON.
SO MS. ELLI, IF YOU WISH TO DO SO, IF YOU WOULD, UH, WELL ACTUALLY THE FIRST MOTION FAILED, BUT IF YOU WANT TO RE-OFFER THE MOTION FOR CONSIDERATION, PLEASE DO SO AT THIS TIME.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE MERITS OF MY MOTION HAVE CHANGED ANY IN THE LAST COUPLE OF MINUTES, BUT I'M, I'M HAPPY TO RESTATE MY MOTION IN THE HOPES THAT I DON'T GET SHOT DOWN TWICE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT.
UH, MS. CAESAR HAS, UH, SECONDED THE MOTION.
IS THERE ANY UN READINESS HEARING IS SEEING NONE.
ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
ALL OPPOSED? DO THE SAME AS SAY NAY.
[3. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider an amendment to Planned Development-20 (PD-20) to allow for a four (4) story hotel/motel (Avid/Staybridge Hotel Combo) with some deviations on a property located on the west side of N. I-35 E and north of The Meadows Parkway. The property is legally described as Lot 1 Block A, Holiday Inn I-35 Addition, consisting of 4.2 acres of land and is addressed as 1307 N I-35 E. The applicant is Ignacio Sauceda II and is owned by Mid-Continent Hospitality. (Case No. Z-1510-23)]
OUR LAST, UH, AGENDA ITEM, UH, ITEM NUMBER G THREE, WHICH IS CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT 20, PD 20 TO ALLOW FOR A FOUR STORY HOTEL SLASH MOTEL AVID SLASH STATE BRIDGE HOTEL COMBO WITH SOME DEVIATIONS ON A PROPERTY LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH I 35 EAST AND NORTH OF THE MEADOWS PARKWAY.THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT ONE BLOCK, A HOLIDAY INN, 1 35 EDITION CONSISTENT OF 4.2 ACRES OF LAND AND IS ADDRESSED AS 1307 NORTH, UH, I 35 EAST.
THE APPLICANT IS IGNACIO SAA II AND IS OWNED BY MID CONTINENTAL HOSPITALITY.
AND THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1510 DASH 23.
MS. ZI, MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES.
UM, CASE NUMBER Z 15 10 23 IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT 20 AMENDMENT REQUEST TO ALLOW FOR A FOUR STORY HOTEL WITH SOME DEVIATIONS.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY SOLD PD 20 WITH GENERAL RETAIL IS THE BASE ZONING.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORTH INTERSTATE 35 EAST AND NORTH OF THE MIDDLES PARKWAY.
THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF TWO POINT, CONSISTS OF 4.2 ACRES OF LAND AND IS ADDRESSED AS 13 0 7 NORTH INTERSTATE 35 EAST.
THIS IS THE, UM, AREA OF VIEW OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY AND THE VICINITY MAP.
THIS IS AN, UM, A MAP THAT IS JUST SHOWING THE EXTENT OF PD 20.
THIS AREA THAT IS AGED RIGHT HERE.
THAT'S, UH, OH, THIS IS, UH, PD 20.
THE SUBJECT SITE IS CURRENTLY VACANT AND TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE, THIS SITE IS LAND THAT IS VACANT AND SO ON.
PLANT DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST IS A CREEK AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES THAT ARE OWNED SINGLE FAMILY.
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INTERSTATE 35 EAST AND OF COURSE THE CITY OF LANCASTER.THERE ARE CURRENTLY NINE HOTELS THAT ARE IN THE CITY.
TWO HOTELS ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED.
THERE WAS, THERE IS ALSO ONE MOTEL AS WELL AS ONE MOTEL THAT IS CLOSED.
THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU THE NUMBER OF HOTELS THAT ARE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
THE FUTURE END USE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR OFFICE RETAIL USES AND THE PROPOSED HOTEL IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE AND PLAN OF 2015 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THIS PROPERTY IS ACCESSED FROM NORTH INTERSTATE 35 EAST SERVICE ROAD.
THIS, THIS PROPERTY IS ALSO ACCESSED FROM THE, UH, ACCESS EASEMENT TO, FROM THE PROPERTY THAT IS TO THE SOUTH.
AND UM, NORTH INTERSTATE 35 EAST IS THE PRI PRIMARY HIGHWAY ON THE EASTERN BORDER OF THE CITY.
IN TERMS OF HISTORY, THE PLANT DEVELOPMENT 20 WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN 1984 WITH GENERAL S THE BASE ZONING.
THE PD WAS, UM, GENERALLY AMEN IN 1993 AND THERE WERE, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE AMENDMENTS SINCE 1997 AND OVER THE YEARS.
AND ON THIS PARTICULAR SITE, ON MAY 15TH, 2018, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THE DEVELOPMENT OF A HOTEL SUBJECT TO THE, IT WAS SUBJECT TO FOUR STORIES AS WELL AS THE USE OF STUCCO IS OUR BUILDING MATERIAL FOR, FOR THE HOTEL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND PD 20 TO ALLOW FOR A FOUR STORY HOTEL WITH 129 UH, ROOMS. THERE WILL BE 173 PARKING SPACES AND OTHER HOTEL AMENITIES.
THE PROPOSED HOTEL IS ALLOWED BY WRITING PLAN DEVELOPMENT 20.
THE APPLICANT MEETS THE APPLICATION, MEETS ALL THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS EXCEPT FOR ROOM SIZE.
PT 20 REQUIRES EACH GUEST ROOM TO HAVE A MINIMUM INTERIOR AREA OF 325 SQUARE FEET, INCLUDING SLEEPING AREA CLOSETS AND BATHROOMS. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING DEVIATION FROM THE MINIMUM INTERIOR OF 325 SQUARE FEET ROOM SIZE TO ALLOW 51 OF THE 58 TOTAL EVID GUEST ROOM TO HAVE LESS THAN 350 SQUARE FEET.
IN ADDITION, 36 OF THE 58 PROPOSED EVID HOTEL GUEST ROOMS ARE LESS THAN 200.
THEY ARE 252 SQUARE FEET ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 19TH, 2023.
A NOTICE FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING APPEARED IN DAILY FOCUS.
NEWSPAPER STAFF ALSO MAILED 23 NOTIFICATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200, 200 AND 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SIDE.
NO LETTERS WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND 16 LETTERS WERE RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION TO THIS PD AMENDMENT REQUEST.
AND THESE LETTERS WERE RECEIVED TODAY, 14 OF THEM WERE RECEIVED.
TODAY, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL OF THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT SUBJECT TO MINIMUM GUEST ROOM SIZE OF 300 SQUARE FEET.
THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS AVAILABLE AND THEY WISH TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL, TO THE COMMISSION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? MR. RAVEN? GO AHEAD.
UH, YES, MS. MENZI, I WAS WONDERING, DO YOU KNOW WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING THAT'S, UH, 73 SQUARE FEET REDUCTION IN THE ROOM SIZE? WELL, I THINK THE APPLICANT CAN BE THE BEST TO, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
AND THE REASON I ASK IS BECAUSE THAT'S ALMOST A 25% REDUCTION.
IT'S 22 POINT, UH, 5% REDUCTION IN THE SQUARE FEET OF THE ROOM, BUT YET THE OTHER PARTS COMBINATION, THOSE ROOMS ARE A LOT LARGER THAN THE 325.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, ARE THERE OTHER HOTELS THAT WE HAVE MADE THIS TYPE OF REDUCTION IN THE ROOM SIZE? NOT AT WHICH I KNOW OF, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME THAT I'VE BEEN WITH THE CITY COMMISSIONER, THAT'S THE KEY WORD.
WE'VE ONLY BEEN HERE LESS THAN TWO YEARS.
IN THE CASES WE HAVE, WE CAN TRULY SAY NO, BUT WE CANNOT ANSWER ANYTHING HAPPENED BEFORE OUR TENURE.
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SO THEN I, AND ALSO LET ME ALSO, UH, LET YOU KNOW THAT, UH, WE JUST RECEIVED AN EMAIL YESTERDAY SAYING THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THE OTHER STATE BRIDGE WILL HAVE, UH, KITCHEN FACILITIES SO THAT, UH, THE, THAT'S WHY MAYBE THE, IS THE ROOMS ARE BIGGER BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE KITCHEN FACILITIES AND IF THIS QUESTION IS NOT APPROPRIATE, LET ME KNOW.UM, SO WHY ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH APPROVING, UM, THE DEVIATION? AND THIS IS WHY I SAID WE SAID A MINIMUM OF 300, AT LEAST IT'S CLOSE TO WHAT THE PD REQUIRES.
STAFF IS NOT SAYING TO ACCEPT THE 252 UH, SQUARE FEET, BUT TO SAY AT LEAST WE CAN LIVE WITH 300 SQUARE FEET INSTEAD OF 252.
SO STAFF IS SUPPORTIVE OF AT LEAST A MINIMUM OF 300, WHICH IS CLOSE TO THE REQUIRE REQUIREMENT OF 325 SQUARE FEET.
AND, AND COMMISSIONER, BECAUSE THIS IS THE PD, OUR ZONING ORDINANCES ESTABLISHES, GIVES THE APPLICANT A RIGHT TO REQUEST DEVIATIONS AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE JUST PRESENTING TO YOU.
THIS IS WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER AND THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
AND, AND BEST SIR HAS IDENTIFIED HER PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF, UH, HER CONCERN WITH THE MINIMUM SIZE.
BUT THE APPLICANT WILL TRULY NEED TO TELL YOU, IS THIS A BRAND SIZE DEALING WITH THE HOTEL BRAND NAME OR SOMETHING.
BUT HE WOULD'VE TO GO INTO THOSE DETAILS.
BUT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO COME TO YOU AND ASK YOU FOR THOSE, ANY TYPE OF DEVIATIONS TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, YES, I, YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THE OTHER, UM, HOTELS IN, UH, IN THE CITY.
WOULD YOU MIND FLIPPING BACK TO THAT SLIDE? I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN OUR PACKET, BUT THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME.
THIS IS INFORMATION THAT I DECIDE TO GO BACK TO, TO JUST GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION ABOUT HOTELS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT MOST OF THESE HOTELS THERE ARE LONG, UM, 35 FEET, 35 EAST.
THEY'RE ALL, WHICH ONLY THE ONE THAT WAS JUST RECENTLY APPROVED IS THE ONE THAT IS ON HIGHWAY 20, UH, 67.
OTHERWISE ALL THESE, ALL OF THOSE THOUGH, ON 35 E ARE BASICALLY IN THE SAME LOCATION.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT THEIR, I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE SITE SITE PLAN AND ZOOMED INTO THEIR, UM, TO THE AERIAL PHOTO OF THAT, AND THERE'S MORE THAN HALF OF THE HOTELS ARE, ARE ON WITHIN THAT SAME VIEW.
WAS JUST, THAT WAS MY ONLY QUESTION WAS JUST TO SEE THAT SLIDE AGAIN.
COMMISSIONER ELLI, LET ME, LET ME ADD THAT THOSE STRIP OF HOTELS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ARE ALL IN DESIGNATED PLAN DEVELOPMENT 20 AND THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT 20 ACTUALLY WENT IN DEEPER WITH REGULATIONS REQUIRING RESTAURANTS AND ET CETERA.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MA'AM.
WE'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AT 8:19 PM TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, FOR CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1510 DASH 23, UH, WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING NOW BEING OPEN.
UH, I WILL NOW INVITE THE APPLICANT IF YOU SO CHOOSE TO, TO COME FORWARD.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME FORWARD AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, UH, MAKE A PRESENTATION OR MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, THAT'S FINE.
AND SIR, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND ALSO YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE.
MY NAME IS IGNACIO SALCEDO WITH MIDCONTINENT HOSPITALITY.
SO, UM, I HEARD A FEW QUESTIONS AND DID, DID YOU WANT TO RESTATE THE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF THE, THE SIZE OF THE ROOMS AND VERSUS, UH, YOUR TYPICAL STANDARDS OR HOW, HOW DID YOU WANT TO WE CAN DO IT.
UH, YOU CAN EITHER MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION FIRST.
SO MID-CONTINENT HOSPITALITY IS A LOCAL DEVELOPER HERE IN LEWISVILLE, TEXAS.
UH, WE SERVE FIVE MARKETS HERE IN, IN, UM, THE UNITED STATES.
UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 23 HOTELS THAT WE OWN AND OPERATE, AND WE ALSO DEVELOP OUR OWN HOTELS AS WELL.
THE PROPERTIES THAT WE OPERATE ARE UNDER THE FLAGS OF HILTON, MARRIOTT AND IHG.
THIS PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY IS IHG.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ESSENTIALLY MAKING IT OUR, UH, TEXAS BASED CROWN JEWEL.
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THAT WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, OVERALL, WE HAVE, UH, 12 PROPERTIES, UM, SCATTERED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING.UH, WE'RE FOCUSED ON THE TEXAS MARKET RIGHT NOW.
UH, SPECIFICALLY, UM, DESOTO FOR THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, IT'S A CUSTOM HOTEL.
UM, IT'S WOULD BE THE FIRST IN THIS MARKET IN TERMS OF A DUAL BRAND, AVID STAYBRIDGE, THE PROPERTY ITSELF.
UM, GOING BACK TO JUST KIND OF ALLEVIATING SOME OF THE, UH, QUESTIONS IHG IN TERMS OF AVID AND STAYBRIDGE, THEY DO PROVIDE US PROTOTYPES IN TERMS OF THE ROOM SIZES, THEY DO THEIR STUDIES.
UM, THE AVID HOTEL IS, IS GEARED MORE TOWARDS THE YOUNGER CROWD.
AND, AND AS FAR AS THE PRICE POINT, UH, IT, IT'S SET, UM, A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THE STAY BRIDGE IN TERMS OF AN EXTENDED STAY HOTEL.
SO THE MIXED USE THAT WE'VE STUDIED, UM, IN TERMS OF THE AREA AND, UH, WHAT WE CAN DO TO OFFER, UH, OUR GUESTS, UH, IS REALLY BASED ON THE PUBLIC SPACES.
UH, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 4,000 SQUARE FEET OF MEETING SPACES, UH, INTERIOR, EXTERIOR, AND A COURTYARD AREA.
WE FOCUS ON THE AMENITIES IN TERMS OF, UH, CREATING ABOVE AND BEYOND IN TERMS OF, OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
SO OUR, OUR BANG FOR OUR BUCK IS MAKING SURE THAT THOSE PUBLIC SPACES ARE COMMUNITY DRIVEN.
UM, OUR PLAN IS TO ESSENTIALLY HAVE EVENTS FOR THE COMMUNITY THROUGHOUT OUR FACILITIES.
WE'VE, OUR PURPOSE IS TO CUSTOMIZE THE PUBLIC SPACE.
UH, EACH BRAND HAS ITS OWN, UM, VISION, BUT WHAT WE PLAN TO DO IS MELD THOSE TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A MODERN URBAN TYPE OF, UH, MID-CENTURY LOOK, UM, OFFERING, UH, THE RESTAURANT AND THE BAR SCENE IN TERMS OF, UH, COALESCING ALL THE AREAS TOGETHER SO THAT IT'S ESSENTIALLY A, A PUBLIC SPACE.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN A WALKABLE AREA, BUT WHAT WE WANT TO MAINTAIN OR, OR, OR TRY TO ESTABLISH IS AN AREA THAT WE CAN GO TO, UH, AND, AND THROUGHOUT OUR HOTELS THAT THAT'S WHAT I, WE TRY TO DO.
UH, INITIALLY 2018 THIS PROPERTY WAS, UM, APPROVED FOR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOTEL.
OBVIOUSLY TIMES HAVE CHANGED AND, AND WE'RE LOOKING IN TERMS OF, UH, WHAT FITS FOR THIS MARKET.
AND THEN AGAIN, GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND IS MY APPROACH PERSONALLY.
UM, THE, THE LAST HOTEL THAT I DID, UH, I'M ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF WITH THE COMPANY RIGHT NOW.
THE LAST HOTEL THAT I DID WAS, UH, BACKED UP TO THE COWBOYS FACILITY IN FRISCO STATION.
UM, ESSENTIALLY THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO BRING HERE IN TERMS OF THE, UH, THE LOOK OF THE INTERIOR OF THE HOTELS.
IT'S, IT WAS THE MART ICE AC RESIDENCE IN IS, UH, WHAT I DEVELOPED PREVIOUSLY.
SO IT, IT'S AN, IT'S AN UPPER SCALE HOTEL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
UH, IN TERMS OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE, UM, AGAIN, IT, IT'S, IT'S THE, THE BRAND IHG, IT'S THEIR VISION IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT USE IS FOR THAT HOTEL.
THEY, THEY ARE PRETTY MUCH ESSENTIALLY SAYING MOST OF THAT, UM, THAT GROUP WOULD BE IN THE PUBLIC SPACES.
AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, WE WE'RE EXPANDING IT IN TERMS OF, UM, BEING ABLE TO BE WALKABLE IN, IN OPEN SPACES.
AND THERE'S, WE PRETTY MUCH ABIDED BY THE, THE EXISTING ORDINANCES, UM, IF THERE'S A CLOSE UP.
BUT, UH, RIGHT NOW, LIKE I SAID, WHAT WE'VE DESIGNED WITH OUR ARCHITECT TYPE SIX IS NOWHERE IN THE US IS, IS THIS IN TERMS OF THE LOOK, UM, GONNA BE PRESENTED.
SO WE'RE, WE'RE HAPPY IN TERMS OF BRINGING THIS PROPERTY TO DESOTO.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. AU? GO AHEAD.
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UH, YES, THANK YOU.I HAVE, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.
NUMBER ONE, IS THAT GOING TO BE A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT? WE HAVE, UH, MENUS FOR BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER.
IT, IT HAS A FULL KITCHEN FULL BAR AND THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS MAINTAINED UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS.
ARE THE GUESTS GONNA BE USING THE SAME ENTRANCE WAY? THEY HAVE TWO SEPARATE ENTRANCES.
UM, AND, UH, THE AMENITIES ARE DIFFERENT FOR EACH, BUT THEY CAN SHARE.
AND THE, THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, YOU MENTIONED THAT YOUR MARKET RESEARCH HAS SHOWN THAT I GUESS THE YOUNGER PATRONS WILL SPEND MORE TIME OUTSIDE OF THE ROOM, CORRECT.
WE'VE, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY TRIPLED THE SIZE OF THE AMENITIES AS FAR AS AREAS OF POOL, UH, THE PATIO AREAS, UM, THE TYPICAL SIZE OF THE MEETING SPACE AND PRE-FUNCTION AREAS.
UH, WE'VE EXPANDED THOSE BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE FAR AWAY FROM, UH, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR STANDARD, UH, AREAS THAT YOU'RE DEVELOPING FOR WALKABILITY.
WE WANT TO MAKE IT WALKABLE WITHIN THE HOTEL ITSELF.
IS THERE A PORT OF COUTURE OR A COVERED AREA FOR THE PEOPLE TO DRIVE THROUGH TO GET INTO THE ENTRANCE? UH, I BELIEVE THERE IS A SMALL ON THE, UH, STAYBRIDGE SIDE.
UH, BUT ON THE AVID SIDE, IT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY, IT'S MORE BASIC IN TERMS OF YOU PARK, YOU GET YOUR, UM, TYPICALLY YOU HAVE YOUR KEYS BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY GET IN THE, THAT CROWD IS GONNA GET THEIR KEY FROM THEIR PHONE ESSENTIALLY AND, AND WALK UP TO THEIR ROOM AND THEN DROP THE STUFF OFF AND THEN COME BACK DOWN AND UH, WALK THE BUILDING.
AND DID YOU MENTION MEETING ROOMS? YES.
UH, WE HAVE A BALLROOM THAT, UH, WE'VE EXPANDED ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH, UH, SPILLS OVER TO A PRE-FUNCTION AREA FOR ANY TYPE OF EVENTS, UH, FOR PRE-STAGING.
AND THEN IT OPENS UP TO UH, I THINK A 2000 SQUARE FOOT COVERED, UH, PATIO AREA FOR EVENTS AS WELL.
AND THEN IT SPILLS OVER TO THE POOL AREA.
AND YOU DID SAY BALLROOM SO YOU COULD HAVE FORMAL CORRECT.
YOU WALKING OFF LIKE QUESTIONS ARE OVER
WELL, BEFORE I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BEFORE, BEFORE I ASK, UH, ANY QUESTIONS, ANYONE ELSE ON THE COMMISSIONER HAS ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
SO JUST, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, UH, LET ME, LEMME GO BACK TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
UH, I SEE ON THE GUEST ROOM KING, YOU'RE ASKING FOR A ROOM SIZE OF 252, UH, 252 SQUARE FEET.
UH, STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION IS THAT ALL YOUR ROOMS BE A MINIMUM OF 300 SQUARE FEET.
IS THAT DOABLE? AND IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO DO? UH, IT, IT'D BE UP TO THE BRAND.
UH, THOSE, THOSE SIZES ARE ASSIGNED BY THE PROTOTYPE.
UH, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, ESSENTIALLY ABIDING BY THE IHG PROTOTYPE FOR AVID.
WHERE WE CAN DEVIATE IS AGAIN, ON THE FIRST FLOOR WHERE WE'VE EXPANDED THOSE AREAS.
BUT THOSE ROOMS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED AND, AND PUSHED FORWARD THROUGH THE BRAND.
AND AS FAR AS THE BALLROOM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BALLROOM IN TERMS OF PEOPLE, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE OCCUPANCY? WHAT'S THE CAPACITY? HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UH, IN TERMS OF NUMBERS, MY ARCHITECT CAN PROBABLY RESPOND BETTER.
AND SIR, IF YOU, UH, COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE.
I, UH, DYLAN SCOTT, UH, TYPE SIX DESIGN DEVELOPMENT, DALLAS, TEXAS.
AND, UM, GIMME ONE SECOND HERE.
UH, SO AS FOR, UM, THE SIZE OF THE MEETING SPACE, ONE SECOND.
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LET ME GET THIS ANSWER FOR YOU, SHANE.LEMME ASK A QUESTION WHY HE'S LOOKING FOR THAT.
WELL, YEAH, BUT I, I'M ENAMORED 'CAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME ANYBODY'S USED A CALCULATOR
UH, MAYBE THIS IS THE QUESTION WHY HE'S GETTING THAT CALCULATION IN TERMS OF THE RESTAURANT.
I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THE RESTAURANT IS GOING TO BE FOR BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER.
UH, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME QUESTION.
THE RESTAURANT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN IT ACCOMMODATE AT ONE TIME? IS IT GONNA BE A SIT DOWN RESTAURANT WITH A WAIT STAFF? WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN WE SAY, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANT? UM, IT, IT'LL HAVE A MENU AND ESSENTIALLY, UH, IT'LL BE ORDERED UP AT A STATION TO RECEIVE YOUR FOOD FROM A WAITER.
BUT, AND IT WILL BE, UH, MENUS FOR BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER.
AND AGAIN, NOT JUST FOR THE GUESTS, BUT OPEN FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LUNCH FOR THE COMMUNITY.
THAT, THAT'S THE IDEA AGAIN, IS, IS TO KIND OF DISTINGUISH ITSELF FROM WHAT'S ON THE CORRIDOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, ESSENTIALLY AGAIN, WE, WE WANT TO BE THE BEST IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP OUT THERE.
AND I THINK THE NUMBERS ARE IN, SO IT, IT IS GONNA BE ROUGHLY AROUND 500 PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE 1,835 SQUARE FEET OF THE BALLROOM SPECIFICALLY.
AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING IN TERMS OF PARKING SPACES, IF YOU WERE TO HAVE A FUNCTION ONSITE, BALLROOM FILTER CAPACITY, YOUR OCCUPANCY OF THE HOTEL IS FILTER TO CAPACITY.
DO YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACE? WOULD YOU HAVE ENOUGH PARKING SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYONE WITHOUT THERE BEING ANY TYPE OF TRAFFIC ISSUES? YES.
WE, WE MEET THE, THE CITY'S CODE AND ORDINANCES FOR ALL FOR THE MEETING SPACE, THE, THE GUEST ROOMS, EVERYTHING, FULL OCCUPANCY.
UH, WE HAVE THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACE.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. AU? YES.
I WAS JUST WONDERING, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU FORESEE? I JUST HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THAT, UH, WITH OUR OWNER TODAY.
AND OUR PLAN IS TO HIRE 40 TO 60 EMPLOYEES FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND I DID GIVE YOU, UM, THEY SAID SITE BANK THAT WAS SUBMITTED, THAT IS ALL THE NUMBERS IN TERMS OF, UH, PARKING AND ALL THAT.
ALRIGHT, MS. CAESAR, GO AHEAD.
UH, YES, UM, DID I HEAR THAT THE RESTAURANT IS GOING TO BE OPEN TO THE COMMUNITY OR IS THAT A PRIVATE? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND WE HAVE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SEATING.
AND THE BAR ITSELF, IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANTS? OKAY.
OKAY, GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ALRIGHT, SO FAR ON THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CASE, I HAVE RECEIVED, UH, THREE COMMON CARDS.
I WILL CALL THEM IN THE ORDER RECEIVED.
UH, AS YOU CALL YOUR NAME, YOU'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO COME FORWARD, BUT IF YOU CERTAINLY, UH, UH, YOU ARE CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO, YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD TO SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES, EITHER IN FAVOR OR, OR OPPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CASE.
UH, THE FIRST COURT I HAVE IS FOR MS. SHEENA DEO.
AND MA'AM, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND THE CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
MY NAME IS GINA DELO AND I LIVE HERE IN DESOTO.
UM, I APPRECIATE GOOD GRAPHICS.
SO I CREATED THESE, BUT I ONLY PRINTED OUT A COUPLE.
SO, UM, WHAT I WANNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT TONIGHT IS WHAT IT'S LIKE TO LIVE IN THIS AREA BECAUSE MY PROPERTY BACKS UP TO ONE OF THE, UM, EIGHT HOTELS THAT IS ALREADY IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO I WANNA TELL YOU WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE A NEIGHBOR TO A HOTEL.
SO TODAY, ALONG THIS CORRIDOR, IF WE TRY TO EXIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU ALMOST GET HIT BY A CAR ALMOST EVERY DAY.
AND IN ADDITION, ADDING ANOTHER HOTEL ADDS MORE TRAFFIC.
SO THOSE, HOW MANY OF OUR PARKING SPACES ADDS THAT MUCH MORE TRAFFIC FOR CONSIDERATION? THIS IS WHERE WE COME AND GO TO SCHOOL, WORK, CHURCH, PLUS TWO MORE HOTELS THAT ARE BEING BUILT IN THIS AREA.
THERE'S SHOPPING CENTERS DOWN THE STREET.
SO ADDING YET ANOTHER HOTEL, THERE IS A BAD IDEA FOR TRAFFIC.
ONE THING THAT IS ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT TO ME IS THE WILDLIFE.
THEY SAID EARLY ON IN THE PRESENTATION THAT THERE IS A CREEK THAT BACKS UP AND WE KIND OF SKIPPED OVER SOME OF THAT STUFF, BUT IT, IT'S IMPORTANT.
THERE'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE THAT LIVES IN THAT CREEK.
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PRESENTATION PICTURES OF THAT WILDLIFE.I, SINCE MOVING HERE IN 2021, I'VE DOCUMENTED THE WILDLIFE THAT I FOUND ON THE PROPERTY.
I HAVE DOCUMENTED OVER 493 UNIQUE SPECIES OF PLANTS, ANIMALS, INSECTS, BIRDS, 493.
I LIVE, I LIVE, IF I KNOW YOU HAVE MAPS IN FRONT OF YOU, I LIVE IN THE CORNER.
SO THERE'S LIKE A, A STREET THAT RUNS RIGHT BEHIND THIS.
THERE'S A, LIKE A WEIRD SHAPED PROPERTY IN THE CORNER.
MY HOUSE BACKS UP TO THAT CREEK AND I PUT PICTURES THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN WHEN THEY START DOING ALL THIS, THOSE BIG ANIMALS ARE GONNA GO AWAY.
THE BIRDS, THE GREAT BLUE HERON THAT COMES AND FISHES IN THE CREEK, IT'S NOT GONNA COME ANYMORE BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE YET ANOTHER HOTEL THAT IT IS BACKING RIGHT UP TO THE CREEK.
IT'S GOING TO COME AND DISTURB ALL OF THAT WILDLIFE.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WORRY ME AS IT IS RIGHT NOW.
ALL OF THE HOTELS, ONE OF THE HOTELS LITERALLY IS IN MY BACKYARD.
I GET LIGHT SOUND NOISE ALL TIMES OF DAY.
SO THIS IS GOING TO DO THE SAME.
THAT HOTEL THAT BACKS UP TO MY HOUSE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE AN OUTDOOR POOL.
IT DOESN'T HAVE AN OUTDOOR PATIO, IT DOESN'T HAVE A RESTAURANT AND A BAR.
ALL IT IS ARE THE BIG TRUCKS THAT COME AND PARK THERE.
WHAT DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE LIVING BEHIND A HA HOTEL THAT HAS A POOL, A RESTAURANT, AND A BAR OUTSIDE.
ALRIGHT, AND MS. DULE, THAT IS YOUR TIME.
UH, AND FOR THE RECORD, YOU ARE, UH, AGAINST THIS PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH MA'AM.
THE NEXT COURT I HAVE IS FOR MS. LENA JOHNSON.
MS. JOHNSON, IF, IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE AND YOU ALSO WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.
I AM, MY HOUSE WILL BE CLOSE TO WHERE THE HOTEL WILL BE BUILT.
WE HAVE NINE HOTELS ALREADY AND I HEARD HIM SAY, UM, TEENAGERS DRINKING IN A POOL, THAT ADDS UP FOR DANGER AND I'M REALLY HOPING THAT YOU REALLY LOOK INTO THIS AGAIN AND WE NOT HAVE THIS HOTEL THERE.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MS. JOHNSON.
AND FOR THE RECORD, YOU ARE OPPOSED, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.
AND THE LAST COMMENT I CARD I HAVE IS FOR MS. JOYCE HILL.
MS. HILL, IF YOU WISH TO COME FORWARD, STATE YOUR NAME, CITY OF RESIDENCE, AND ALSO YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES ONCE YOU BEGIN.
JOYCE HILL, A DESOTO RESIDENT.
THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK AND I'VE BEEN BEFORE YOU BEFORE LOTS OF TIMES.
ALWAYS OPPOSED MOST OF THE TIME.
THE STAYBRIDGE HOTELS THAT I FOUND NEAR DESOTO HAS A RATING OF THREE STARS, PLANO LEGACY WITH AN EXCELLENT RATING OF FIVE STARS, STARS IN DESOTO.
WE ARE A PART OF A TRI-CITY GROUP, SO COUNTING THE HOTELS FOR DUNKING DUNCANVILLE, CEDAR HILL, LANCASTER, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW.
DESOTO CONTRIBUTES NINE HOTELS ON I 35 WITH TWO MORE BEING BUILT AS WE SPEAK.
I SUBMITTED TO THE P AND Z UM, STATEMENTS FROM THE NORTH MEADOWS.
HOMEOWNERS OPPOSING THIS REQUEST FOR ZONING CHANGE WITH DEVIATIONS TO BUILD A STAYBRIDGE HOTEL.
AND MOST OF THE TIME, UM, THEY COME WITH DEVIATIONS.
THEY FIRST TIME MAKE IT SOUND GOOD UNTIL THEY GET THEIR FOOT IN THE DOOR.
THEN THEY WANNA CHANGE THINGS.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR TO YOU GUYS OR TO THE CITIZENS.
I WON'T GO INTO WHAT WE FEEL IS NEEDED BECAUSE IT'S BEEN, UH, MENTIONED IN SEVERAL OTHER MEETINGS OTHER TIMES.
SO SEVERAL OF US THAT ATTENDED THE COMPREHENSIVE MEETINGS, I PERSONALLY PLACED MY DOT ON WHAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE GOOD FOR DESOTO ECONOMICALLY AND A HOTEL WAS NOT ONE OF THEM.
THIS PROPERTY COULD BE USED FOR SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT WILL BENEFIT THE CITY AND OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, CHICKEN SHACKS ARE GOOD AND I, I SUPPORT CHICKEN SHACKS, BEAUTY SUPPLIES AND ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT I THINK WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT.
SO I ASK THAT YOU PLEASE HEAR OUR VOICES AS TAX PAYING, UH, CONCERN
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CITIZENS AND DENY THIS REQUEST.ALRIGHT, IS THERE ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE WHO HAS NOT ALREADY SPOKEN, WHO'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS CASE? AGAIN, LOOKING AROUND, ANYONE ELSE WHO'D LIKE TO BE HEARD ON THIS CASE? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SEEING N NONE, WE'LL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY AT 8 41, BUT BEFORE I CLOSE OUT, THANK MS. BREWER.
I THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I ADD THE CURRENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 20 DOES ALLOW HOTELS WITHIN THIS AREA.
SO FIRST IT'S AN ALLOWED USE AND THE ONLY REASON IT'S COMING TO YOU BECAUSE THE, THE LAST APPROVAL AS THE APPLICANT MENTIONED BACK IN 2018, APPROVED A HOLIDAY INN THAT THAT WAS ALLOWED AT THAT POINT.
BUT I ALSO WANTED TO READ, JUST TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT THOSE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THIS ESTABLISHED PD FOR A HOTEL OR MOTEL THAT THEY ARE NOT ASKING A DEVIATIONS FROM.
SO I THINK SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WERE BEING ASKED, WHAT SIZE ARE THEY DOING? PLEASE ALLOW ME TO READ YOU WHAT THESE MINIMUM REGULATIONS ARE.
SO FOR EACH HOTEL, MOTEL SHOULD PROVIDE AT LEAST 75 GUEST ROOMS AND CONTAIN A LOBBY AND LOUNGE AREA, RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, MEETING ROOMS, AND A PLACE FOR DINING ACCORDING TO THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA.
NUMBER ONE, A RESTAURANT WITH A MINIMUM SIZE OF 15 SQUARE FEET, INCLUDING THE KITCHEN PER GUEST ROOM.
IF COMPLETE COOKING FACILITIES ARE PROVIDED IN EACH GUEST ROOM, NO RESTAURANT IS REQUIRED.
A RESTAURANT SEPARATELY OWNED AND OPERATED, BUT WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE LOBBY AREA AND CONTINGENT TO THE HOTEL MOTEL SITE MAY BE COUNTED AS ALL A PART OF THE RESTAURANT REQUIREMENT.
NUMBER TWO, A LOUNGE OR WAITING AREA WITH A MINIMUM SIZE OF SIX SQUARE FEET PER GUEST ROOM.
ATRIUMS AND OTHER OPEN AREAS MAY BE COUNTED AS WAITING AREAS IF SEATING IS PROVIDED.
NUMBER THREE, A LOBBY AREA, NOT INCLUDING THE WORK AREA FOR HOTEL EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS DESIGNED AS PART OF THE CHECK-IN OUT AREA FOR HOTEL GUESTS WITH A MINIMUM SIZE OF 11 SQUARE FEET PER GUEST ROOM.
THE LOBBY AND LOUNGE WAITING AREA MAY BE DESIGNED AS A SINGLE SPACE, BUT IN SUCH CASE SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 17 SQUARE FEET PER GUEST ROOM.
THE LOBBY CHECK IN CHECKOUT AREA, REGISTRATION DESK SHALL BE OPEN AND UNCONSTRUCTED THE SIZE OF REGISTRATION COUNTER SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF 15 FEET IN LENGTH.
NUMBER FOUR, A MINIMUM OF ONE MEETING OR CONFERENCE ROOM FOR EACH 50 GUEST ROOMS OR PORTION THEREOF SHALL BE PROVIDED.
EACH MEETING ROOM SHALL BE A MINIMUM SIZES 400 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE ROOMS FOR OVERNIGHT GUESTS.
LODGING SHALL NOT BE COUNTED AS MEETING ROOMS. NUMBER FOUR, A SWIMMING POOL WITH A MINIMUM SURFACE AREA OF 1000 SQUARE FEET.
ALTERNATIVE RECREATION FACILITIES SUCH AS EXERCISE ROOMS, RACKET BALL COURTS, SPAS, AND GAME ROOMS MAY BE APPROVED AS SUCH OF, OR INSTEAD OF THE REQUIREMENT FOR A SWIMMING POOL ON THE SITE PLAN, A COVERED DRIVE AREA DESIGNED FOR THE TEMPORARY PARKING OF HOTEL MOTEL GUESTS WHILE CHECKING IN OR OUT SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED ADJACENT TO THE LOBBY OF THE REGISTRATION AREA.
EACH GUEST ROOM SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM INTERIOR AREA OF 325 SQUARE FEET, INCLUDING SLEEPING AREA, CLOSET AND BATH D.
EACH HOTEL MOTEL GUEST ROOM SHALL PROVIDE A TELEVISION AND TELEPHONE.
E HEAVY LOAD EQUIPMENTS LONGER THAN 40 FEET SHOULD NOT BE PERMITTED ON THE HOTEL MOTEL SITE EXCEPT FOR THE DELIVERY OF GOODS AND SERVICES FOR USE BY THE HOTEL AND MOTEL.
AND FINALLY, IF ONSITE SELF-SERVICE OR COIN OPERATED LAUNDRY FACILITIES SHALL NOT BE AVAILABLE TO THE HOTEL MOTEL GUESTS.
SO THOSE ARE THE REQUIREMENTS AND IT GIVES MINIMUMS AND UM, THE APPLICANT IS IDENTIFYING THAT THE ONLY DEVIATION, NO, HE'S NOT ASKING FOR ANY DEVIATION, CORRECT ON, ON THE GUESS ROOM.
SO AGAIN, HE IS IDENTIFYING THAT HE'S MEETING ALL THE OTHER REQUIREMENTS.
AND AGAIN, THAT ORDINANCE, UH, HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY.
HE'S COMING HERE BECAUSE HE'S ASKING AMENDMENT AND WE REQUIRE THE SITE PLAN, THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, AND THE BILLING ELEVATIONS.
AND EACH TIME ONE OF THESE SITES ARE BEING CONSTRUCTED, THEY'RE BEING ADDED.
AND THAT'S WHY THE DOCUMENT IS REAL THICK RIGHT NOW BECAUSE EVERY ONE OF THESE, UH, DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS PARTICULAR PD HAS HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS REQUIREMENT.
SO HE'S MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS TO HAVE A HOTEL THERE.
HE'S JUST SPECIFICALLY COMING HERE BECAUSE HE HAS SPECIFIC TYPE HOTEL
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NUMBER OF ROOMS, ALL THAT BECOMES PART OF THIS BIBLE.ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. BREWER.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS, IF THERE'S NOTHING, OH, MR. RAVEN, GO AHEAD.
MR. BREWER, WOULD YOU READ AGAIN? UH, EACH, THE HOTEL SHOULD HAVE A DRIVE UP THE PORTION THAT SAID THE DRIVE UP, UH, ADJACENT TO THE LOBBY.
LETTER B, A COVERED DRIVE AREA DESIGNED FOR THE TEMPORARY PARKING OF HOTEL MOTEL GUESTS WHILE CHECKING IN OR OUT SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED ADJACENT TO THE LOBBY OR REGISTRATION AREA WITH THE FACT THAT HE HAS A COMBINATION HO HOTEL.
HE DID SAY HE DOES HAVE THAT COVERED AREA FOR THE STAY BRIDGE, BUT NOT THE AVID SIDE.
IS HE SEEKING ANOTHER DEVIATION THEN BY NOT HAVING A COVERED PARKING FOR THE OTHER LOBBY? MR. OL, LET ME, LEMME DO THIS BECAUSE MR. SARDO'S HERE.
SO MR. SARTO, YOU JUST HEARD THE QUESTION? NO, MY QUESTION WAS FOR MR. I I JUST WANT TO ASK MR. BREWER.
BY NOT HAVING THE OTHER COVERED PARKING FOR THE OTHER LOBBY, DOES THAT MAKE HIM, IS HE SEEKING, IS HE REALLY GETTING ANOTHER DEVIATION? THAT WAS MY QUESTION IN MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS ORDINANCE, IT DOES NOT REGULATE WHETHER IT'S A SINGLE OWNERSHIP OR DUAL AND IT JUST TALKS ABOUT A SINGLE COVERED DRIVE AREA DESIGNED FOR THE TEMPORARY PARKING.
SO AS LONG AS HE HAS THAT ONE SINGLE FOR THAT BUILDING, I WOULD INTERPRET HE'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS REGULATION.
CAN I CLARIFY? YOU CAN RESPOND, RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION.
LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN, THAT HATCHED AREA IN THE FRONT OF IT IS THE COVERED PARKING SPACE FOR THE VEHICLE.
IT'S, UH, TWO VEHICLES AND JUST POINT RIGHT THERE.
MY HAND'S A LITTLE SHAKY THERE.
THAT, THAT HATCH SPACE IS A COVERED AREA AND THERE'S A CONTINUOUS, UH, CANOPY THAT GOES THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING ON THE FRONT SIDE.
SO IT'S COVERED AT LEAST 60% OF THAT FRONTAGE IS COVERED.
SINCE YOU'RE UP THERE AGAIN, UM, YOU DID MENTION THEY HAD TWO DIFFERENT ENTRANCES, BUT CAN YOU ENTER THE STAYBRIDGE SIDE AND WALK THROUGH? YES, WE HAVE A CORRIDOR THAT THAT RUNS BOTH LENGTHS AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IS, UH, WE'VE DESIGNED IT TO WHERE THERE IS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE AS FAR AS THE THE CHECK-INS, BUT THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY CHECK-INS ARE ESSENTIALLY GONNA BE VIA PHONE APPS PRETTY SOON.
HOLD ON JUST A SECOND, MR. MS. BELL.
UH, IT, IT IS MR. IGNATIUS IGNACIO IGNACIO.
UH, THE, THE, THE LARGEST PART OF YOUR RECREATIONAL OR GATHERING AREAS ARE ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY? CORRECT.
AND THERE IS A NEIGHBORHOOD SITUATED DIRECTLY BEHIND WHERE THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD GO UP AND ONE OF OUR CITIZENS VOICED CONCERN ABOUT NOISE POLLUTION AS IT RELATED TO THE LOUNGE AREA IN THE POOL.
HAVE YOU DONE ANY INVESTIGATION ON HOW MUCH NOISE WOULD BE GENERATED AND WHETHER IT WOULD BECOME A NUISANCE? WHAT WE DO IS HAVE, UH, STRUCTURAL, UH, FENCES AND, UH, LANDSCAPE BARRICADES TO BUFFER ANY SOUND.
AND IF YOU NOTICE ON THE PROPERTY, UH, WE DON'T GO TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
THIS, THIS WHOLE AREA OF OUR PROPERTY IS UNDEVELOPED AND, UH, I WOULD GLADLY SPEAK WITH OUR OWNER AS FAR AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE IT A WALKING TRAIL FOR THE PUBLIC.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONER SIN, NO OTHER QUESTIONS.
WE'LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AT EIGHT 15 8:50 PM TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, COMMISSIONER ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION CHAIR? I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, UM, NORMALLY, UM, AND, AND MANY TIMES BEFORE WE'VE HAD DEVELOPERS COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION ASKING FOR THE WORLD AND OFFERING LITTLE OF NOTHING TO THE COMMUNITY AND ITS CITIZENS, UH, THE CONTRAST WITH WHAT I'M SEEING WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT IS THAT, UM, THEY ARE OFFERING, UM, QUITE A BIT MORE TO THE COMMUNITY AND THE AESTHETIC OF THE COMMUNITY WITH, WITH JUST ONLY ASKING FOR TWO DEVIATIONS.
NOW THOSE TWO DEVIATIONS ARE KIND OF LARGE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ROOMS, THEY WANT TO DECREASE THE SIZE AND THEY ARE TRYING TO DOUBLE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING AS
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IT RELATES TO OUR, UM, ORDINANCES, I BELIEVE.BUT BEYOND THAT, THIS IS THE CLOSEST DEVELOPMENT I'VE EVER SEEN COME TO OUR STANDARDS AND, AND THE OFFERINGS WE THINK, UH, THAT THESE DEVELOPERS SHOULD BE OFFERING OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION GO AHEAD.
AS IT RELATES TO CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1510 DASH 23 THAT WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH THE STIPULATIONS THAT STAFF CAME UP WITH AS IT RELATES TO THE SIZE OF THE ROOM.
IF WE CAN GO TO THE 300, UM, I BELIEVE THAT THE REST OF THIS WOULD BE PERMISSIBLE IN MY OPINION.
COMMISSIONERS, YOU'VE HEARD THE MOTION BY, UH, COMMISSIONER BELL.
UH, HE HAS MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL, UH, WITH STAFFS, UM, CONDITION, UH, THAT THE MINIMUM GUEST ROOM SIZE WILL BE 300 SQUARE FEET.
HAVING MADE THAT MOTION, IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION QUESTION? CAN I ASK A QUESTION? IT'S A QUESTION.
IF, I'M NOT SURE IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, BUT I BELIEVE, UH, THE APPLICANT STATED THAT THE ADVENT BRAND HAS DETERMINED THAT THE SIZE OF THE ROOM THAT THEY'RE OFFERING IS WHAT'S NEEDED FOR THIS PARTICULAR MARKET.
SO FROM WHAT I, WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THERE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO BE ANY DEVIATION ON THE ROOM SIZE FOR THIS, THIS HOTEL, AND IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CASE, THIS MOTION PERHAPS COULD, IT COULD BE PASSED, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE, UH, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT IF THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO CHANGE THE, THE BRANDS.
UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE BRAND IS SAYING IS THE, THE SIZE OF THE ROOM.
SO I'M NOT SURE HOW WE APPROACH THAT.
COMMISSIONER CHAIR, I'M SORRY.
HE'S ASKING A DEVIATION TO GO DOWN.
SO HIS DEVIATION IS, I HAVE SMALLER ROOMS AT THE SIZE THAT HE'S IDENTIFYING IN VEST'S CHART HER, I THOUGHT HER RECOMMENDATION WAS 300.
SHE WAS RECOMMENDING A DIFFERENT SIZE, BUT THEY ARE REQUESTING THE SMALLEST SIZE.
STAFF GAVE YOU HER RECOMMENDATION AND HER PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF WHAT SHE'S COMFORTABLE WITH.
BUT THEIR DEVIATION REQUESTS ARE THE SIZES THAT ARE BELOW OUR REQUIREMENT OF OF 3 25.
SO I NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MR. BELL IS MAKING A MOTION ON SPECIFICALLY THE DEVIATION IN SQUARE FOOTAGE.
UH, UH, MY MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THEY MOVE THE ROOM SIZE TO 300 INSTEAD OF 2 52.
AND THE REASON, THE REASON WHY I MAKE THAT REQUEST BECAUSE AS IT'S BEEN PREVIOUSLY STATED, THAT CORRIDOR ALREADY HAS WHAT WILL SOON BE 11 HOTELS ON IT.
AND WHILE THIS DEVELOPMENT IS OFFERING A, A LOT IN THE WAY OF AMENITIES TO THIS COMMUNITY, UM, WE ALREADY HAVE PLENTY OF HOTELS IN THAT STRIP.
SO IF THEY WANT TO, UH, PLACE THEIR HOTEL IN OUR LUCRATIVE SPOT ON I 35, I THINK THAT THEY CAN MAKE SOME KIND OF ASSESSMENT OR ADJUSTMENT TO THEIR BRAND SIZE TO MEET US HALFWAY WITH THE ROOM SIZE.
WE'RE STILL ENTERTAINING QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.
MR. CH, MR. CHAIR, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YEAH, JUST A COMMENT.
A COMMENT FROM A A BRAND PERSPECTIVE, I IF WE, MY CONCERN IS THAT I, I DON'T SEE A, A NATIONAL BRAND BEING ABLE TO ADJUST SQUARE FOOTAGES.
SO MY CONCERN IS, I I HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONER BELL IS SAYING, BUT I I THINK I'M ALIGNED WITH COMMISSIONER LL IN TERMS OF IF, IF THE BRAND IS WHAT THE BRAND IS, THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SEEKING THE DEVIATION AT TWO 50.
UH, I APPRECIATE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO BE SOMETHING CLOSER TO WHAT WOULD BE IN LINE WITH, WITH EXISTING REQUIREMENTS IN THE CITY OF DESOTO.
I JUST, I I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC TO HAVE A, A NATIONAL BRAND A A ADJUST TO OUR, OUR STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
SO I THAT, THAT'S MY ONLY COMMENT THERE.
ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I JUST WANTED TO ALSO ECHO MR. BELL BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THE BRAND IS BRINGING A LOT OF AMENITIES
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TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE COME BEFORE US TO SAY THERE HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH HOTEL SPACE HERE.WE'VE, THEY WANTED HOTELS IN THERE, THEY WANTED A PLACE TO HAVE MEETINGS AND THIS BRAND IS BRINGING ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE COME WHILE AT THE SAME TIME I ALSO HEAR OUR, OUR, THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS.
BUT IF I'M LOOKING AT THE TOTALITY OF THE PROJECT AS HOW DOES IT IMPACT ECONOMICALLY OUR CITY, UM, WHAT IT'S BRINGING TO OUR CITY, A DIFFERENT BRAND THAT'S OFFERING EVERYTHING THAT WE WANTED A HOTEL TO OFFER, I FIND IT VERY DIFFICULT NOT TO SUPPORT IT, UM, THIS EVENING AT, AT, AT THE DEVIATIONS THAT THEY'RE REQUESTING.
ALRIGHT, SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE DO HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.
THE MOTION IS MADE OR HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER BELL, UH, TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THIS AGENDA ITEM.
UH, HIS MOTION CURRENTLY CONTAINS THE CONDITION OF, UH, WITH A MINIMUM, UH, ROOM, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE OF 300 FEET.
UH, COMMISSIONER BELL, DO YOU WISH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT MOTION? YES, I DO.
SO THEREFORE THE MOTION'S ON THE FLOOR.
NOW I'M ASKING IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? I'LL SECOND IT.
MR. BERRY HAS SECONDED THE MOTION, MOTION HAS BEEN PROPERLY MADE, HAS BEEN SECONDED.
IS THERE ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER UNREADINESS? OKAY.
RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY NAY.
NOW COMMISSIONERS, UH, THAT MOTION HAS FAILED.
IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION? BECAUSE THAT MOTION CONTAINED A SPECIFIC CONDITION.
IS THERE ANOTHER MOTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN AT THIS TIME? MS. CAESAR? I UNDERSTAND AND HEAR AND AM IN SYMPATHY WITH OUR CITIZENS, BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER TO TAYLOR THAT I DON'T SEE HOW A BRAND CAN CHANGE ITS, ITS BRAND.
IN THE CASE OF NUMBER Z ONE FIVE THAT WE RECOMMEND FOR APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL AS IT STANDS, OKAY, THE MOTION HAS BEEN PROPERLY MADE BY COMMISSIONER CAESAR.
BEING MOVED AND HAS BEEN SECONDED NOW BY, UH, VICE CHAIR REV.
UH, IS THERE ANY UNREADINESS? ALL IN FAVOR? RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY AYE.
ALL THE POLLS RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SAY NAY.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE A MOTION, UH, MAJORITY SO THAT MOTION FAILS.
UM, SO THEREFORE, UH, I'LL TURN TO MR. SMITH.
UM, MR. SMITH, DO YOU BELIEVE I SHOULD ASK FOR ANOTHER MOTION OR SHOULD WE LEAVE IT THERE ON FOR? ALRIGHT, UH, SO COMMISSIONERS, UH, YOU HEARD A RECOMMENDATION FROM MY CITY ATTORNEY.
UH, WE DO NOT HAVE, WE'VE, WE'VE NOW HAD TWO VOTES.
UH, ONE FAILED TWO TO FOUR, UH, THE OTHER ONE FAILED BECAUSE IT FAILED TO REACH THE MAJORITY.
UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO RECONSIDER, UH, AS MR. SMITH HAS STATED, UH, WELL WE MAY GET THE EXACT SAME RESULT OR DO WE LEAVE IT THERE? QUESTION, QUESTION? YES SIR.
MR. REVENUE, IF IT GOES TO COUNCIL WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION, DOES THAT CREATE SOMETHING FOR THE COUNCIL, SUPER MAJORITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO.
BAS BASICALLY MY UNDERSTANDING MR. SMITH CORRECT? IF I'M WRONG, UH, BASICALLY IT WOULD JUST BE NO RECOMMENDATION ON, ON, ON, ON THE BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION AND THEY'LL JUST TREAT IT AS A NEW CASE.
ALRIGHT, SO COMMISSIONERS, I'M GOING TO TAKE IT AS THOUGH, UM, I'M NOT SEEING ANY OTHER, UH, HANDS OR ANY THE GESTURES.
SO BASICALLY WE HAVE MR. BREWER.
SEE I DO NEED TO ADD, I DO NEED TO OH, YOU'RE GOOD.
YOU GOT A RED LIGHT, BUT I, I, HELLO? I I DO NEED TO ADD, UM, AS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS, ONE OF THE RESIDENTS MENTIONED, WE
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RECEIVED HOW MANY NOTICES TODAY? SIX.SO WHAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO DO ON OUR BEHALF IS GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THOSE 16, GO TO OUR MAPS, SEE OF THOSE 16 WHO OWNS PROPERTY WITHIN 200 FEET BECAUSE THAT MIGHT TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A SUPER MAJORITY VOTE IF IT TRIGGERS A 20% OPPOSITION.
BUT AGAIN, THOSE JUST GOT DELIVERED US TODAY, IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOUR VOTE WHATSOEVER, BUT IN OUR STAFF REPORT WE DO HAVE TO CON CONSIDER THAT AND WE ARE CONSIDER TAKING APPLICATIONS ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT POINT THAT WE DO OUR FINAL REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
ALRIGHT, SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
SO AT THIS TIME WE ONLY HAVE ONE LAST THING.
AND WE HAVE THIS BECAUSE WE SAID WE'RE GONNA PUT IT TO THE END, UH, ON OUR AGENDA.
WE ALSO HAD CITIZEN APPEARANCES AND BASICALLY I'LL JUST READ THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION INVITES CITIZENS TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSIONERS ON ANY TOPIC NOT ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
CITIZENS' WISHES TO SPEAK SHOULD COMPLETE A CO A CITIZEN COMMENT CARD AND RETURN IT TO THE TABLE PRIOR TO THE MEETING.
SO, UH, WE'RE NOW AT THE PORTION OF OUR AGENDA FOR CITIZEN APPEARANCES.
AGAIN, UH, THESE ARE FOR, THIS IS FOR ITEMS THAT HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN PLACED ON THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISH TO SPEAK, UH, AS IT RELATES TO WHAT? MAKING A CITIZEN APPEARANCE ON A DIFFERENT TOPIC NOT ALREADY DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
ALRIGHT, LOOKING AROUND, SEEING, AND HEARING NONE.
ALRIGHT, WELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE WILL CLOSE OUT OUR CITIZEN APPEARANCE, UH, PORTION OF THE AGENDA, UH, STAFF.
IS THERE ANY OTHER MATTER, UH, THAT WE NEED TO TAKE UP BEFORE WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN, MR. BREWER? NO, SIR.
NOT SEEING ANY, HEARING? NONE.
SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE TIME IS NOW 9:03 PM IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE MEETING? SO MOVED.
UM, IT'S BEEN MOVED BY MS. CAESAR.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND BY MR. CHARLIE.