Nov 20, 2023 City Council Special Meeting

THIS TIME, WE WILL HAVE THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, PLEASE.

[2. EXECUTIVE SESSION The City Council will convene into Executive Session pursuant to Section 551.074, Personnel Matters, of the Texas Government Code, to deliberate the appointment, employment, and duties of the City Manager. Action as a result. Adjourn Executive Session]

WE HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 5, 1 0.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, AND DUTIES OF THE CITY MANAGER IN ANY ACTION AS A RESULT.

UM, COUNSEL, AT THIS TIME, IT IS 5:01 PM AND WE WILL NOW CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

THANK YOU, UH, FOR YOUR PATIENCE.

UM, AT THIS TIME, I'M GONNA ASK OUR CITY SECRETARY, WE'RE GOING TO ADJUST, UM, OUR, OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING TO ALLOW FOR OUR COMMISSIONER TO, UM, SPEAK TO AGENDA ITEM NUMBER SIX.

MADAM CITY SECRETARY, CAN WE HAVE ITEM SIX, PLEASE?

[6. Presentation on the Dallas County Inland Port Flood Planning Study]

ITEM SIX IS, UH, PRESENTATION ON THE DALLAS COUNTY INLAND PORT FLOOD PLANNING STUDY.

MAKING THAT PRESENTATION IS DALLAS COMMISSIONER JOHN WILEY PRICE.

GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONER.

YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, MR. MANAGER AND SECRETARY FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

YOU ARE OUR NUMBER, UH, SIX CITY.

THERE ARE 12 CITIES IN THE DALLAS COUNTY IN L PORT, 234 SQUARE MILES.

AND I APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY.

I'M SORRY I'VE GOTTA BE IN MUSKIE FOR SWEARING IN TONIGHT.

BUT THE TEAM IS HERE, AND THIS, UM, IS A REPORT THAT IS LONG OVERDUE.

THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD GAVE DALLAS COUNTY ABOUT $5.3 MILLION, AND THEN DALLAS COUNTY MATCHED IT.

WE'RE AT ABOUT OVER $7 MILLION TO DO THIS STUDY.

WE'RE GOING TO ALL OF OUR CITIES, UH, YOU WILL HEAR TONIGHT FROM OUR, UH, PARTNERS WHO ARE IN FACT TAKING AND MAPPING ALL OF THIS INLAND PORT STUDY.

AS I SAID, THE PORT INLAND PORT IS JUST 234 SQUARE MILES.

THAT DOES NOT, UH, INCLUDE WHAT WE CALL, UH, THE HUCK PORTION OF THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING, BASICALLY DOING IS MAPPING CITIES LIKE DESOTO, CITIES, LIKE CITIES THAT ARE ALL IN MY DISTRICT AND UNINCORPORATED.

THEY HAVE, THOSE TRIBUTARIES HAVE NOT BEEN MAPPED, UM, FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING THOSE.

AND SO TONIGHT, YOU'LL HEAR FROM MY TEAM, UH, THEY WILL CARRY YOU THROUGH IT.

UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR, YOUR, YOUR INDULGENCE.

THIS IS JUST AN IMPERATIVE.

YOU NEVER THINK ABOUT FLOODING UNTIL IT FLOODS.

AND, UH, I SAY IN COURT ALL THE TIME, WATER FLOWS SOUTH.

UM, IT WAS NEVER, I DON'T THINK INTENDED FOR, UM, DALLAS COUNTY AND CITIES THIS FAR NORTH TO BE ABLE TO BE THE BENEFICIARY OF THAT PROPOSITION.

THIS WAS DESIGNED FOR THE COASTAL AREA WHEN THEY WERE FLOODING.

UH, BUT, UH, AS YOU'LL HEAR FROM MY, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, UH, IN CHARGE OF, OF A FLOODPLAIN TONIGHT, WE MADE THE APPLICATION AND THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AGREED WITH US THAT WE WERE A CANDIDATE AND THAT WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE, UH, FLOODS IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

SO JUST THANK YOU TONIGHT FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

UH, WE, YOU'RE THE HALFWAY MARK.

WE ARE HALFWAY THERE, UH, IN TERMS OF THESE PRESENTATIONS.

UH, ONCE, UH, OUR CONSULTANT, UH, FINISHES, UH, MAPPING ALL OF THESE TRIBUTARIES, UH, THEN WE WILL BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT CANDIDACY FOR THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD TO TALK ABOUT FUNDING THESE MATTERS SO THAT WE CAN MANAGE IT.

AND SO, JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

UM, UH, I, I'M DEFINITELY NOT SLIDING, UH, DESOTO, UH, BUT I GOT MY FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN ELECTED IN, IN MESQUITE TONIGHT, AND I GOT TO GO OUT THERE

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AND MAKE SURE THAT HE'S, HE'S NOT NERVOUS, AND IT'S GOING TO BE ALL RIGHT.

UM, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

YOU KNOW, DESOTO, UM, AND, UH, MR. MANAGER DESOTO HAS BEEN A, A GOOD PARTNER, UH, FOR DALLAS COUNTY.

AND, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE, UM, A LUMBER OF THE, THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU'VE MADE TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE US.

I'LL LOOK AT YOUR THOROUGH THOROUGHFARE PLAN, AND I LOOK AT OUR MAJOR CAPITAL PLAN, AND THIS IS ALL PART AND PARCEL OF THAT.

AND SO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO BE A GOOD PARTNER, UH, WITH DALLAS COUNTY.

UH, MR. MANAGER, I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST, YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.

UM, THERE, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME, THERE ARE ALWAYS SOME CHALLENGES.

I THINK IF I WASN'T A COMMISSIONER, I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT BE A CITY MANAGER.

I DON'T, I DON'T UNDERSTAND, UM, ANYTHING FROM CODE TO PICKING UP TRASH.

I, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT KIND OF DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS.

AND, UM, I JUST WANT TO APPLAUD DESOTO, YOU DO IT.

I HAVE VERY FEW CONCERNS ABOUT DESOTO, AND SO JUST THANK YOU FOR BEING A, A GOOD PARTNER.

AND FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS WITH REGARDS TO THIS STUDY? THE STUDY WILL SPEAK FOR ITSELF, AND AS I SAID, JUST THANK YOU FOR GIVING US THAT CONSIDERATION TONIGHT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PRICE, WE ECHO THOSE SAME SENTIMENTS TO YOU.

YOU'VE BEEN A LONG TIME, UH, FRIEND AND SUPPORTER AND PARTNER WITH DESOTO, SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO.

UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY COUNSEL, I BELIEVE THERE WILL BE TIME FOR QUESTIONS FROM STAFF AS THEY CONTINUE THIS PRESENTATION.

HOWEVER, IF THERE ARE ANY DIRECT QUESTIONS FOR COMMISSIONER BEFORE HE HAS TO LEAVE US, WE'LL, WE'LL RECEIVE THOSE AT THIS TIME.

HEARING NONE, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU.

THANK TRAVELS TO YOU AND A HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOU ALL TO BE HERE AND THIS ADVANCES THE SLIDES.

SO COMMISSIONER INTRODUCED US AND THE FLOOD PLANNING STUDY, BUT TONIGHT I'M GONNA KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH, UM, JUST SOME DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THE STUDY.

GIVE YOU THE BACKGROUND, WHO THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE, WHAT THE SCOPE IS, THE SCHEDULE, AND, AND THOSE KINDS OF THINGS.

CAN YOU GIVE US YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOUR TITLE AGAIN, PLEASE? I'M SORRY.

MY NAME IS ALYSSA SHEPHERD AND I AM THE FLOODPLAIN MANAGER AT DALLAS COUNTY.

UM, I'M, I'M IN THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS THAT IS DIRECTED BY ALBERTA BLAIR.

AND TONIGHT I HAVE WITH ME CECILIA RUTHERFORD.

SHE'S AN ASSISTANT DIRECTOR IN OUR DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN RON O'CONNELL IS ALSO HERE.

HE'S OUR CONSULTING ENGINEER THAT WE'VE HIRED TO HELP US WITH THIS PROJECT.

IS OUR FIFTH CITY THAT WE'VE COME TO.

SO I'M GONNA TALK WITH YOU TONIGHT ABOUT THE DALLAS COUNTY INLAND PORT.

THIS IS A, A MAP THAT SHOWS THE, THE INLAND PORT AREA AND, AND THE AREA IN RED SHOWS THE INLAND PORT THAT WE HAD DEFINED BY OUR DALLAS COUNTY, SOUTHERN DALLAS COUNTY INFRASTRUCTURE ANALYSIS STUDY.

THAT WAS INITIALLY STARTED IN 2012.

AND THAT STUDY HELPED US IDENTIFY INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS IN THE SOUTHERN DALLAS AREA.

BUT THIS INLAND PORT AREA HAS SEVERAL CITIES THAT ARE LOCATED WITHIN IT.

THE CITY OF LANCASTER, WILMER, AND HUTCHINS ALL HAVE THEIR CITY LIMITS WITHIN THE DALLAS COUNTY INLAND PORT AREA, AS WELL AS SOME OF DALLAS AND SOME OF FERRIS.

THE INLAND PORT AREA IS BOUND BY I 35 E ON THE WEST, THE TRINITY RIVER ON THE EAST LOOP, 12 TO THE NORTH, AND THEN THE COUNTY LINE TO THE SOUTH.

ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'LL NOTICE ON THIS MAP IS THAT A LOT OF THE AREA IS WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN.

UM, YOU CAN SEE THAT IN THE BACKGROUND THERE.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY WHY WE KIND OF MARRIED THE TWO.

WE WANTED TO HAVE A STUDY THAT IDENTIFIED AREAS THAT FLOOD WITHIN THE INLAND PORT AREA.

THIS AREA ALSO INCLUDES THE INTERMODAL FACILITY THAT UNION PACIFIC OWNS.

IT HAS MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS AND DEVELOPERS, AND WE RECEIVED GOODS FROM THE WEST COAST, THE EAST COAST,

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AND THE GULF OF MEXICO.

SO WHY IS THIS LOCATION SUITABLE? WELL, THERE'S ABOUT 2 MILLION PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN 30 MINUTES OF THE AREA.

THERE'S LARGE TRACKS OF UNDEVELOPED LAND.

WE HAVE GREAT PROXIMITY TO INTERSTATE FREEWAYS.

WE'VE GOT, I I 35, EI 45 I 20, AND THEN LOOP NINE, WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW TO THE SOUTH.

WE'VE GOT ACCESS TO MAJOR MARKETS, AND WE ALSO HAVE THE INLAND PORT TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT ASSOCIATION.

UM, AND THAT IS, IS A GROUP THAT PROVIDES MICRO TRANSIT TO A LOT OF EMPLOYERS WITHIN THE DALLAS COUNTY AND LIN PORT AREA.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE DALLAS COUNTY AND LIN PORT.

YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF FAMILIAR NAMES LIKE AMAZON, FEDEX, UM, ALSO CHICK-FIL-A HAS A DISTRIBUTION CENTER.

WALMART HAS A LARGE DISTRIBUTION CENTER THAT THEY JUST OPENED.

SO THIS AREA IS GROWING EVERY DAY.

AND THIS SLIDE HERE REALLY HIGHLIGHTS THE GROWTH.

THIS IS A SEGMENT OF DALLAS, AND IT'S RIGHT NEAR, UM, I 20 AND I 45.

BUT YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 2006 AND 2023.

LOTS OF WAREHOUSES HAVE COME ABOUT IN, UM, 2023.

AND THE REASON THAT WE CHOSE 2026 WAS THAT WAS ABOUT THE YEAR THAT THE, UM, INTERMODAL FACILITY REALLY CAME INTO BEING.

AND SO, UM, THAT REALLY SPURRED A LOT OF THE ECONOMIC GROWTH IN THIS AREA.

SO THIS NEXT SLIDE, I'M GONNA KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH HOW WE CAME ABOUT WITH THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND HOW THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND WAS, WAS BORN.

SO IF YOU ALL CAN REMEMBER BACK IN ABOUT 2010 THROUGH 2014 ROUND ABOUT THAT TIMEFRAME, TEXAS HAD A PRETTY SEVERE DROUGHT.

UM, YOU MIGHT REME RECALL HAVING, UH, WATER RESTRICTIONS, BEING UNABLE TO WATER YOUR YARD WHEN YOU REALLY WANTED TO, MAYBE ONLY HAVING TO DO, DO THAT JUST A COUPLE OF TIMES A WEEK.

AND SO WE HAD DRIED LAKE BEDS.

IT, IT DIDN'T RAIN FOR, FOR MONTHS.

AND THEN IN ABOUT 2015, IT REALLY, IN THAT SPRING, WE GOT A LOT OF RAINFALL IN 2016, THE SAME THING.

AND THEN IN 2017, WE HAD HURRICANE HARVEY.

WELL, IN 2019, THE LEGISLATURE KIND OF ANSWERED THAT.

AND COMMISSIONER PRICE ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER.

THEY, UM, SET ASIDE ABOUT $800 MILLION AND SHIFTED MONEY FROM THE, UM, RAINY DAY FUND INTO THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND.

AND WE WENT AND VOTED ON THAT.

IN 2019.

THERE WAS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT, UM, THAT SHIFTED THAT FUNDING.

AND ALSO AT THAT TIME WHEN IT SHIFTED THE FUNDING, THE STATE FLOOD PLAN WAS BORN WHERE, UM, THE, THE DIFFERENT, THE STATE WAS DIVIDED INTO ABOUT 15 REGIONS BASED ON RIVER BASINS.

AND, UM, FLOOD PLANNING GROUPS WERE DEVELOPED TO HELP IDENTIFY PROJECTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE STATE THAT COULD BE, UM, FUNDED LATER.

AND SO THIS LAST TIME THAT THE LEGISLATURE MET, THEY PASSED, UM, A RULE THAT SAID, IF YOU WANT A PROJECT TO BE CONSIDERED FOR FUNDING FROM THE FLOOD INFRASTRUCTURE FUND, IT HAS TO BE IDENTIFIED IN THE STATE FLOOD PLAN.

SO AGAIN, IN 2020, UM, THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD HAD DEVELOPED THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES FOR FUNDING.

AND ONE OF THOSE CATEGORIES IS IDENTIFIED AS THE CATEGORY ONE FLOOD PLANNING PROTECTION FOR WATERSHEDS.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE WITH THIS STUDY.

SO WE, WE HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD NOW IN MARCH OF 2022, AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS STUDY FOR ABOUT 18 MONTHS.

SO THESE ARE OUR STAKEHOLDERS.

UM, AS COMMISSIONER PRICE REFERRED TO EARLIER, WE'VE, UM, TAKEN THIS SHOW ON THE ROAD AND WE'VE GONE AND PRESENTED TO ALL THE DIFFERENT CITIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED.

UM, HERE IS OUR, THAT'S OUR GOAL AT LEAST.

BUT THIS

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WE'VE, WE'VE HIT ALL THE CITIES IN THE INLAND PORT AREA.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, SEVERAL COUNTIES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING WITH US.

BUT THESE ARE IDENTIFIED AS OUR STAKEHOLDERS.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE, UM, STAKEHOLDERS THAT ARE NOT CITIES, BUT ARE CERTAINLY PARTNERS IN FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE CORE FEMA, THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

WE MEET EVERY OTHER MONTH ON, UM, THE FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH.

SO, UM, AND WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROM DESOTO THAT ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS.

SO WHY IS THIS PROJECT IMPORTANT? WELL, CERTAINLY THE PURPOSE OF OUR STUDY IS TO MINIMIZE LOSS, TO MINIMIZE LOSS OF PROPERTY, AND TO DETERMINE APPROACH TO MINIMIZE FLOODING.

BUT THEN WE WANNA SUBMIT PROJECTS TO THE STATE, UH, FOR FUTURE FUNDING.

AND SO, ONE OF THE THINGS, ON AUGUST 22ND OF LAST YEAR, WE RECEIVED AN AWFUL LOT OF RAINFALL.

I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 10 INCHES OVER THE COURSE OF 24 HOURS.

AND THAT WAS THE SECOND MOST RAIN THAT WE'VE HAD IN, UM, A 24 HOUR PERIOD SINCE RECORDS HAVE BEEN KEPT.

SO THESE EVENTS DO HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT ONCE IN A BLUE MOON OR IT'S NOT ONCE EVERY A HUNDRED YEARS.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE FREQUENT NOWADAYS FOR SURE.

SO, AGAIN, THIS IS OUR, OUR STUDY AREA.

UM, AND COMMISSIONER PRICE ALLUDED TO THIS EARLIER.

WE HAVE THE HUCK TIN AREA THAT'S SHOWN IN BLUE THAT WE ADDED TO THE RED INLAND PORT AREA.

A PART OF US OBTAINING THIS FUNDING FROM THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD IS THAT WE HAD TO STUDY AN AREA THAT WAS AT LEAST THE SIZE OF A HUCK TIN AREA.

AND SO, UM, IT FIT IN PRETTY NICELY TO, TO STUDY, UM, THE INLAND PORT AREA, AS WELL AS ALSO ADD SOME CITIES FROM OUR BEST SOUTHWEST AREA, INCLUDING DESOTO, DUNCANVILLE, AND CEDAR HILL.

AND THEN, UM, TO THE EAST, WE'VE ADDED COMBINE SEAGOVILLE AND MESQUITE.

AND WE'RE REALLY, UM, STUDYING HERE THE, UH, 10 MILE CREEK.

WE FOUND OUT, UM, THAT THE TRINITY RIVERS BEEN RECENTLY HAS BEEN STUDIED BY FEMA.

AND SO THEY'RE COMING OUT WITH NEW MAPS FOR THE TRINITY.

UM, BUT I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO RON.

AND, UM, HE'S GONNA TALK ABOUT THE CONSULTANT TEAM.

AND, UM, THEN I'LL, I'LL COME BACK TO THE END.

THANK YOU, ALYSSA MAYOR.

COUNSEL, UH, I WANT TO RESTATE WHAT COMMISSIONER PRICE SAID.

WE DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT TO DISCUSS THIS IMPORTANT STUDY, NOT ONLY FOR ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS, BUT FOR THE COUNTY AND THE STATE IN, UH, IN THE LONG RUN.

AS YOU SAID, MY NAME IS RON O'CONNELL.

I'M WITH A PM AND ASSOCIATES, AND I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE CONSULTING TEAM THAT'S WORKING ON THIS ENDEAVOR.

UH, WE'VE TEAMED WITH HIGHLY QUALIFIED, BASICALLY, LOCAL FIRMS THAT I WOULD CONSIDER TO BE SOME OF THE EXPERTS AROUND HERE IN HYDROLOGY AND HYDRAULICS.

SO, WHAT'S OUR SCOPE? AND WE'VE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS.

SO FOR THE HUCK 10 AREA, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE THE STREAMS, THE CULVERTS, AND THE BRIDGES.

AND AS LISA SAID, WE, WE STARTED OUT WITH 10 MILE, WHICH HASN'T BEEN, UH, MODELED IN 20 OR 30 YEARS.

AND WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT TRINITY RIVER, WHICH WE FOUND OUT AFTER WE DID ALL OF OUR INFORMATION GATHERING IN FOR ALL OF THE CREEKS THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE AREA, THAT COTTONWOOD CREEK.

AND ITS TWO LITTLE TRIBUTARIES, FOUR A ONE, AND FOUR A TWO HADN'T BEEN MODELED OR NEEDED TO BE UPDATED ALONG WITH ROLLINS CREEK.

WELL, AFTER WE PUT TOGETHER OUR NUMBERS, 'CAUSE WE WENT BACK TO TWDB, TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD AND MODIFIED OUR SCOPE BASED OFF OF THAT.

AND SO ONCE WE FOUND OUT HOW MUCH IT WAS GONNA TAKE OR HOW MUCH, HOW MANY DOLLARS IT WAS GONNA TAKE, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL FUNDING AVAILABLE.

AND AS YOU CAN KIND OF SEE FROM THIS GRAPHIC, ALL THE TRIBUTARIES TO 10 MILE ON THE UPPER END, INCLUDING THE ONES IN DESOTO, HADN'T BEEN DONE.

SO WHAT WE DID IS WE STARTED, WE WORKED WITH THE REGIONAL GROUP THAT ALYSSA HAD TALKED ABOUT, ALONG WITH THE STATE GROUP, THE REGIONAL, THE FOLKS ON THE REGIONAL TEAM WERE ALSO ON OUR TEAM.

AND THEN WE COORDINATED WITH YOUR GROUP, YOUR ENGINEERING GROUP, AS WHAT WOULD BE THE BEST CREEKS IN DESOTO

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TO LOOK AT.

AND WE CAME UP WITH THE ONES, BASICALLY THE FIRST ONES, NEXT ONES UPSTREAM, SO THAT NOW DESOTO WILL HAVE NEW EFFECTIVE MODELS FOR THOSE STREAMS THAT HAVE, HAVE BEEN DONE IN A REALLY, REALLY LONG TIME, IF AT ALL.

AND ACTUALLY, AS I DIDN'T HAVE IT IN TIME TO GET IT INTO THIS PROPOSAL.

BUT AS OF THIS MORNING, STRAIGHT OFF THE PRESSES, THOSE MODELS ARE COMPLETE.

THEY'RE PRELIMINARY, THEY'RE STILL BACK CHECKING.

I'M DOING ALL THEIR QC.

BUT THOSE MODELS ARE CURRENTLY DONE AS WE SPEAK TONIGHT.

SO WHAT IS OUR SCOPE TALKED ABOUT? WE'RE GONNA DO THE MAPPING OF ALL THE FLOODPLAIN THROUGHOUT THE AREA.

UH, WE'RE REVIEWING ALL THE DRAINAGE DESIGN CRITERIA.

AND AT THE END, ONE OF OUR SCOPED REQUIREMENTS IS TO RECOMMEND IN SOME OF THESE SMALLER CITIES, WE MAY BE RECOMMENDING MORE, UM, INTENSIVE DESIGN CRITERIA THAN THE ONES THAT THEY'RE USING.

WE NEED TO DETERMINE THE LEVEL OF PROTECTION THAT THE CURRENT SYSTEM OFFERS.

AND THEN WHAT WE'RE DOING IS, IN THE END OF THIS STUDY, AT THE END OF IT, WE'RE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS THAT CAN BE PUT ON THE STATE LIST.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR, WE HAVE TO DO AN EVALUATION.

IT'S FAIRLY EXTENSIVE.

I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT HERE IN A MINUTE.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT STRATEGIES, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN TAKE THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

AND IN THE END, 'CAUSE IT'S BASED OFF OF SCORING, AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT HERE, HOW MUCH LAND ARE YOU TAKING OUT? HOW MANY STRUCTURES ARE YOU TAKING OUT? HOW MUCH ROAD ARE YOU TAKING OUT? THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT THE STATE IS LOOKING FOR TO TRY TO GET THESE PROJECTS ON THE STATE TO BE ABLE TO BE FUNDED.

WHERE, WHAT, WHAT'S GOING ON? WHERE WE AT SCHEDULE WISE, UM, BASICALLY WE HAVE ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE WE'RE GONNA NEED.

WE'RE MISSING A LITTLE, THE STORM SEWER, SOME OF IT IN DALLAS, SOME OF THE OLDER PARTS, AND A LITTLE BIT IN LANCASTER.

WE HAD OUR FIRST PUBLIC MEETING LAST FALL.

UH, SURVEYING IS PRETTY WELL COMPLETE.

WE HAVE ONE MORE CREEK, HUTCHINS CREEK IN HUTCHINS THAT STILL NEEDS THE, AND IT'S NOT A FULL BLOWN SURVEY, WE'RE JUST SURVEYING THE STRUCTURE.

SO ALL THESE MODELS ARE BEING UPDATED.

WE'RE SURVEYING THE STRUCTURES.

WE'RE USING UPDATED CROSS SECTION LIDAR DATA.

SO ALL OF THESE MODELS ARE BEING UPDATED AS WE GO THROUGH THIS STUDY.

AND THEN, SO WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE SURVEYING TO DO ALL THE MODELINGS GOING ON.

THE MAJOR CREEKS ARE DONE, 10 MILES DONE, UH, COTTONWOODS DONE.

WE'RE ALMOST DONE WITH ROLLINS.

SO THE BIG MODELING EFFORTS FOR THE CREEKS HAVE BEEN DONE.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE OUR NEXT PUBLIC MEETING, NOVEMBER 30TH.

SO NEXT WEEK, NOVEMBER 30TH, WE'RE HAVING OUR SECOND PUBLIC MEETING WHERE WE'LL BE GOING THROUGH, UM, WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW IS WHAT'S CALLED CRITICAL NEEDS ASSESSMENTS.

SO WE'RE TAKING THESE PROJECTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT 'EM, SEE WHICH ONES KIND OF MEET WHAT THE STATE'S LOOKING FOR SO THAT WE CAN RUN 'EM THROUGH THAT GAMUT TO TRY TO GET THEM ON THE, THE LIST.

OUR PRELIMINARY REPORT IS DUE TO THE COUNTY AND FALL OF 2024, WHEN WE'LL HAVE OUR, OUR LAST BY SCOPE.

WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE THREE MEETINGS.

WE'LL HAVE OUR LAST MEETING NEXT WINTER.

AND THEN OUR FINAL STUDY REPORT IS DUE TO THE COUNTY AND TO TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD JANUARY 20, 25.

AND WHERE ARE WE AT? SO SURVEY AND WISE, UM, I SAID I HAVE ON HERE THE DESOTO TRIBUTARIES.

THOSE ARE DONE.

SO WE'VE GOT ALL THAT SURVEYING DONE.

LIKE I SAID, THE MODELS ARE STRAIGHT OFF, THE PRESSES JUST FINISHED UP THIS MORNING.

WE STILL HAVE HUTCHINS CREEK.

AND THEN IN THE ELLAND PORT, WE'RE SURVEYING STUFF THAT WE'RE A LITTLE CONFUSED ON FROM THE EXISTING PLANS VERSUS WHAT WE'RE KIND OF SEEING OUT THERE.

SO WE HAVE SOME SURVEY THAT WE'RE DOING FOR THOSE, AND THEN WE NEED TO FINALIZE THAT INPUT.

ALL THIS IS IN THE GIS SYSTEM.

AT THE VERY END, THERE'S THIS COUNTY WILL HAVE ALL OF THEM STUFF IN GIS, ALL THE PIPING, ALL OF THE STREAMS, ALL OF IT WILL BE MODELED.

AND THE TWO SOFTWARES WILL BE ONE BIG FILE.

WE'RE ACTUALLY KEEPING ALL OF THIS INFORMATION ON A SHAREPOINT SITE, A CLOUD SITE.

AND RIGHT NOW IT'S LIKE 600 GIGS.

IT'S ALMOST A TERABYTE WORTH OF INFORMATION FROM ALL THE EXISTING PLANS AND ALL THE MODELS.

UM, DESOTO CREEK MODELING IS PRETTY MUCH DONE.

WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO IS START LOOKING AT, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING, SO IN THE CASE OF DESOTO, AND I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT HERE 'CAUSE I HAVE SOME PICTURES FOR YOU OF DESOTO, IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR IS THE CREEKS THAT DON'T MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS TWO FOOT OF FREEBOARD, RIGHT? SO FROM THE A HUNDRED YEAR WATER SERVICE ELEVATION TO THE BOTTOM OF A BRIDGE, THE STATE REQUIRES TWO FEET.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING FOR PROJECTS THAT IF THE ROADS FLOODED AND THESE CREEKS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT FOR YOU ALL, ARE THE ROADS FLOODED? DO THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA? IF NOT, THEN WE'RE GONNA TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE.

THAT IS THE INTENT.

SO HERE IT IS.

SO THESE ARE THE STREAMS BASED OFF OF THE DISCUSSIONS THAT THE REGIONAL FOLKS HAD WITH YOUR ENGINEERING GROUP.

THESE ARE THE THREE, THESE ARE THE STREAMS THAT WERE DETERMINED THAT WE WOULD MODEL AS PART OF THIS EFFORT.

SO THREE A, THREE A EIGHT TRIBUTARY, ONE SPRING CREEK,

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10 MILE TRIBUTARY, AND THEN THOSE TWO STREAMS. SO THE FIRST COUPLE OF STREAMS, AS YOU GET PAST 35 AND INTO DESOTO, THOSE ARE THE STREAMS THAT ARE BEING MODELED.

ONE OF THE NICE THINGS IS THIS IS THE AREA, AND I GOT THIS ONE.

SO THIS IS THE 10, THE NEW 10 MILE FLOODPLAIN THAT'S SHOWN HERE.

SO THERE'S A NEW EFFECTIVE MODEL FOR 10 MILE THROUGHOUT DE SOTO.

SO IF ANYTHING'S HAPPENING, THAT'S THE OTHER ONE, RIGHT? WE WANNA LOOK IN 10 MILE TOO.

YOU'RE HAVING ISSUES ALONG 10 MILE, ALL THOSE CROSSINGS, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THOSE TWO.

BUT THERE'S A NEW EFFECTIVE MODEL, NOT ONLY FOR 10 MILE, BUT FOR THE STREAMS IN DESOTO THAT WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE'RE DOING.

AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT, WHAT WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS THE EVALUATIONS.

AND HERE'S TWO OF THE DRAWINGS.

THESE ARE KIND OF THE FIGURES THAT'LL END UP BEING IN OUR REPORT AT THE END.

SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE EFFECTIVE MODEL, THE EXISTING MODEL AS IT IS WE'RE LOOKING AT FULLY DEVELOPED MODELS, AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS TO THE FLOODPLAIN WHEN WE DO THE IMPROVEMENTS.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

ACRES REMOVED, STRUCTURES REMOVED, ROADWAY REMOVED.

NOW FOR THIS REPORT AND FOR TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, FOR THE TWDB, THEIR REQUIREMENTS ARE A LITTLE MORE STRINGENT.

AND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THIS NO IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH IS STARTING TO CAUSE A LITTLE HEARTBURN.

NOT TOO BAD, IT'S A LITTLE MORE, UH, DIFFICULT TO GET THROUGH, BUT IT'S NO INCREASE IN ANY VELOCITY.

NO LOSS IN VALLEY STORAGE, NO CHANGE IN WATER SURFACE ELEVATION.

SO FOR THESE PROJECTS TO BE ABLE TO BE PUT ON THE STATE LIST, WE HAVE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS ALSO.

SO WHAT'S NEXT? FINISH UP OUR DATA.

WE'RE PRETTY MUCH DONE COMPLETE THAT SURVEYING THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT.

UH, START REALLY DOING THE CRITICAL NEEDS ASSESSMENT, RIGHT? WE HAVE OUR MODELS PRETTY MUCH DONE.

WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD IDEA WHAT THE SYSTEM'S DOING.

WE'RE GONNA START LOOKING AT PROJECTS, START PUTTING NEW BRIDGES IN THERE THAT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, AND THEN KIND OF SEE WHAT IT DOES TO THE FLOODPLAIN.

AND THEN WE'RE GONNA DEVELOP THOSE STRATEGIES.

AND WITH THAT, I GET TO TURN IT BACK OVER TO ALYSSA.

DAYS, WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING A MEETING AT THE SOUTH DALLAS GOVERNMENT CENTER, UM, ON POLK STREET IN WHEATLAND.

GREAT.

THANK YOU RON.

SO ONE OF THE NEAT THINGS ABOUT THIS MODEL, RON HAD MENTIONED THAT 10 MILE CREEK HAD NOT BEEN MODELED SINCE ABOUT THE LATE SEVENTIES OR EARLY EIGHTIES.

SO ONE OF THE NEAT THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IS WE, WE PUT OUT THESE, UM, FLOW MONITORS IN THE CREEKS AND WE'RE ACTUALLY MONITORING WHAT THE FLOW IS.

WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR 90 DAYS ON THREE BRIDGES THAT ARE LOCATED IN THIS AREA.

ACTUALLY THERE'S ONE CULVERT, BUT, UM, ONE CULVERT AND, AND TWO BRIDGES.

AND, UM, SO WE HAVE THIS, UM, DASHBOARD THAT WE'VE SHOWN YOU, UM, THAT'S HOOKED UP TO REAL TIME WHERE WE CAN SEE WHAT THE FLOWS ARE.

SO IT'S, THAT'S KIND OF NEAT, JUST A, A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

AND THEN THAT WAY WE'LL KNOW FOR SURE IF OUR, IF OUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE CORRECT.

SO THIS AREA, RIGHT, THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE SHOWS ALL OF THE FLOODPLAIN THAT IS WITHIN THE HUCK 10 AREA.

AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S, UM, JUST QUITE A BIT THAT THAT'S REALLY IMPACTED.

A LOT OF IT IS ALONG THE TRINITY RIVER.

AND, UM, SO THIS, THIS SHOWS WHAT, WHAT WE HOPE REALLY WHY WE'RE DOING THIS STUDY AND WHY WE'RE FOCUSED ON THIS AREA, UM, JUST TO MITIGATE FLOODING WITHIN THIS AREA.

SO AS FAR AS THE CITY GOES, WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO WORK WITH YOUR CITY'S TEAM.

UM, WE'RE GONNA MEET CLOSELY WITH THE, UM, WITH THE CITY.

I KNOW, UM, THAT, UH, RON HAD MENTIONED THAT OUR SUB-CONSULTANT HALF HAD BEEN WORKING PRETTY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY, BUT I THINK US AS AN OVERALL TEAM IS GONNA START MEETING REGULARLY WITH, UM, MR. BREWER AND, AND HIS GROUP.

UM, AND ONE OF THE THINGS TOO THAT WE'RE GONNA BE DOING IS I, UM, I IDENTIFYING, UM, COST BENEFIT RATIOS AND, UM, DEVELOP DRAINAGE EVALUATIONS.

UM, BUT JUST CONTINUE TO WORK ON THOSE ONGOING MODELING EFFORTS, UM, AND, UM, REALLY HONE IN ON, UM, SOME GOOD BRIDGES, CULVERTS WHERE FLOODING MIGHT BE TAKING PLACE, OR MAYBE THAT CRITERIA HASN'T QUITE BEEN MET, AND SEE IF WE CAN SUBMIT THAT TO THE STATE.

SO THERE'S SOME DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN GET INVOLVED.

IN ABOUT 10

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AND, UM, THAT'S ON NOVEMBER 30TH.

WE'LL HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING THERE AT 6:00 PM AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THAT.

I, I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT IF YOU DID COME.

UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, WE HAVE A WEBSITE FOR THE PROJECT, SO ANY COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE, WE'D, WE'D LOVE TO HEAR 'EM.

UM, BUT THOSE ARE SOME DIFFERENT WAYS TO GET INVOLVED.

AND, UM, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL THIS EVENING.

SO AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT TONIGHT.

UM, AND, UH, I, I KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER PRICE ALSO GIVES HIS THANKS AS WELL.

UM, AND THINK, AND I KNOW YOU REARRANGED YOUR SCHEDULE A LITTLE BIT, SO THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME, MS. SHEPHERD.

CAN WE SEE THAT LAST SLIDE AGAIN? I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE GOT THAT WEBSITE ADDRESSES.ORG.

UM, YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION I HAD.

I WAS GONNA ASK YOU TO REITERATE THE MEETING DATE AND TIME.

OH, OKAY.

SO YOU ANSWERED THAT FOR ME.

HOWEVER, COUNSEL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. O'CONNELL OR MS. SHEPHERD AT THIS TIME? YES.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER? YES.

I, UH, JUST WANTED TO ASK, IN YOUR ORIGINAL WHEN YOU STARTED, YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS A CITY OF DESOTO REPRESENTATIVES THAT GOES TO THE MEETINGS.

WHO, WHO DO YOU MIND SHARING WHO THAT PERSON IS? OH, THAT'S CHARLES BREWER.

AND HOW OFTEN ARE THOSE MEETINGS? I'M, I'M SORRY? HOW OFTEN, HOW OFTEN ARE THOSE MEETINGS? THEY'RE EVERY OTHER MONTH.

BUT, UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA START DOING, UM, HERE THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING IN DECEMBER IS MEETING WITH CHARLES AND OTHER MEMBERS OF HIS TEAM, UH, ON A MONTHLY BASIS, JUST A ONE-ON-ONE KIND OF THING.

TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS, RIGHT? THANK YOU.

YOU BET.

COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL.

I WANTED TO KNOW, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT, UM, THIS, THIS MODELING HASN'T BEEN DONE IN A WHILE, UM, IF AT ALL.

AND WHAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WAS WHO'S, WHO'S GENERALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MODELING? WE AS THE CITY, THE COUNTY, OR, YOU KNOW, UM, A LOT OF THE MODELING IS DEVELOPMENT DRIVEN, UM, THAT TAKES PLACE.

AND SO LIKE A LOT OF TIMES A, UM, CITY MAY REQUIRE THAT A CREEK BE STUDIED IN ORDER FOR, SAY, A ROAD AND A BRIDGE TO, TO GO IN.

AND SO THAT WOULD DRIVE A MODEL.

THAT WOULD BE ONE EXAMPLE.

UM, USUALLY IT'S FEMA THAT STUDIES THE, UM, CREEKS INITIALLY.

SO THEY'RE USUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

UM, BUT THERE ARE TIMES THAT A CITY MAY HAVE A DRAINAGE STUDY AND TAKE THE TIME TO, TO STUDY IT THEMSELVES, IF, ESPECIALLY IF THEY WANT TO KIND OF SPUR DEVELOPMENT.

UM, YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT SEE THAT TAKE PLACE.

YEAH, I SAW THAT FEMALE WAS ONE OF THE STAKEHOLDERS.

DID THEY PROVIDE SOME FUNDING FOR, FOR THIS? AND THEN THE FUNDS THAT YOU'RE GOING AFTER, IS IT FEDERAL FUNDING COMING THROUGH THE STATE OF TEXAS TO THOSE WHO MAKE APPLICATION? OKAY.

SO THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING THAT, UM, WOULD QUALIFY IN THAT.

A LOT OF THIS WORK THAT WE'RE DOING WOULD HELP A, A CITY, UH, OBTAIN.

SO, AND, AND IT COMES FROM ALL DIFFERENT, UH, TYPES.

SO LIKE YOU ASKED THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED, THE, THE FUNDING THAT WOULD BE THE FUTURE FUNDING OR THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE GETTING FOR, TO DO THE STUDY IS NOT FROM FEMA, IT IS FROM, UH, THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD.

UM, BUT THERE ARE FEMA GRANTS THAT HAVING A MODEL W WILL HELP YOU OBTAIN.

AND ARE, ARE YOU GO GOING AFTER FEDERAL FUNDING AS WELL? UM, WE ARE, IF IT MAKES SENSE, LIKE, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A PROGRAM AT DALLAS COUNTY CALLED THE BRICK, UM, WHICH I THINK IS LIKE BUILT BUILDING RESISTANT, UH, RESILIENT COMMUNITIES.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF ONE FUNDING.

I KNOW SOMETHING JUST CAME OUT TODAY THAT IS A TRICKLE DOWN WHERE IT'S FEDERAL FUNDS AND THEN IT'S ADMINISTERED BY THE TEXAS WATER DEVELOPMENT BOARD, AND THAT WAS FOR SOME SORT OF FEMA, UH, MITIGATION ASSISTANCE GRANT.

SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT GRANTS OUT THERE THAT ARE TITLED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.

UM, JUST, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

YOU'LL BE OUR FINAL QUESTION ON THIS ITEM.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM,

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OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO, WITH YOU DOING THE HYDRAULIC TESTING AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, I'M SURE, AND IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN SOME TIME, RIGHT? FOR 10 MILE CREEK, THERE WILL PROBABLY BE SOME HOMEOWNERS OR SOME LAND THAT WILL THEN BE DEEMED, LET'S SAY, HYPOTHETICALLY AS A FLOOD ZONE AREA THAT WASN'T IDENTIFIED 20 YEARS AGO, RIGHT? MM-HMM.

IS, SINCE THE PARTNERSHIP IS WITH FEMA, BUT FEMA'S NOT DOING THIS, IS THAT INFORMATION THEN RELAYED TO A STATE OR FEMA? MY CONCERN, AND WHEN I ASK THAT IS BECAUSE THOSE HOMEOWNERS WHO THEN BECOME DEEMED IN THIS FLOOD ZONE AREA, THEN WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, YOU KNOW, THAT CHANGES THE WHOLE VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY, THEIR INSURANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

IS, HAS DALLAS COUNTY TALKED OR DISCUSSED ANY, UM, ANYTHING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE? FALLOUT OR AWARENESS FOR HOMEOWNERS? YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LARGELY THAT'S WHY WE WANNA ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO COME TO THE PUBLIC MEETING THAT'S TAKING PLACE.

UM, BUT YOU'RE, I MEAN, THAT'S A GREAT POINT THAT SOME HOMEOWNERS MAY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FLOOD INSURANCE IF THEIR, UM, HOME IS, IS NOW CONSIDERED TO BE A PART OF THE FLOODPLAIN.

UM, SO THAT, THAT IS A GOOD POINT.

UM, I, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT CASE TAKE PLACE.

AND I SEE RON COMING UP HERE, HERE, GOTTA COME ADD TO THAT JUST FOR FUN.

SO WHAT WE FOUND, WHAT WE'RE FINDING, RIGHT, SO WE'RE UPDATING THESE MODELS, WE'RE USING NEW SURVEY, WE'RE DOING SURVEY ON THE STRUCTURES.

SOME OF THESE STRUCTURES ARE THE OLD STRUCTURES.

A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT IS PLEASANT RUN DOWN THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 45.

IT'S ALL BRAND NEW.

THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF GOING ON.

IT WAS USING, IT ACTUALLY REDUCED THE FLOODPLAIN.

SO, AND A LOT, AND FOR 10 MILE, IT'S NOT MAKING THAT BIG A DIFFERENCE.

BUT THERE ARE PLACES LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, THAT ARE NOT IN THE FLOODPLAIN BASED OFF OF OUR NEW EFFECTIVE MODELS.

AND AS WE GO THROUGH, WE'RE FINDING THOSE SO THAT WE CAN SAY, OKAY, WE'RE REMOVING SEVEN STRUCTURES.

ANOTHER ONE IS FOUR B FOUR, AND WHICH WAS ACTUALLY A DRAWING THAT WAS SHOWN ON THERE.

I WONDER IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT.

LEMME SHOW YOU THAT JUST FOR FUN.

LEMME SHOW YOU THIS ONE REAL QUICK.

OH, HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE.

SO FOUR B FOUR.

IF YOU, IF YOU SEE THE PINK IS THE ORIGINAL ONE, AND THIS IS WITH THE NEW STUFF TOO.

BUT IF YOU LOOK DOWN THERE CLOSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RAILROAD TRACK TO THE FAR, TO THE EAST SIDE OF THAT DRAWING, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BOTTOM ONE.

IF YOU SEE THAT BLUE, UM, IT'S ACTUALLY WAS BIGGER BEFORE, AND SOME OF THOSE HOUSES ARE NOW OUTSIDE OF THE FLOODPLAIN.

AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE ON THE, ACTUALLY DONE FOR 10 MILES.

WE HAVE A SPREADSHEET THAT SHOWS THE STATIONS ALONG THE CREEK WHERE THOSE DIFFERENCES HAVE OCCURRED.

AND KIND OF DESCRIBE IN OUR REPORT, WE'LL DESCRIBE WHY THAT HAS HAPPENED.

BUT THE FIRST QUESTION IS THIS MODEL, THIS NEW MAPPING NEEDS TO GO TO FEMA AT THE END, RIGHT? IT'S NOT REALLY PART OF OUR SCOPE, BUT I DO SEE AT THE END, THE COUNTY IS GONNA SUBMIT ALL OF THIS FOR NEW MAPPING ALONG 10 MILE AND MAYBE THE ONES IN YOUR AREA TOO.

AND PROBABLY ALL OF THEM WILL HAVE TO GO AT THE END.

BUT IF YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER COMING IN NOW, HE HAS A NEW EFFECTIVE MODEL TO KIND OF BE MORE REALISTIC ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND WHAT FLOODING AND WHAT'S NOT FLOODED.

THAT.

DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES.

THANK YOU MR. O' COLLIN.

THANK YOU AGAIN MS. SHEPHERD, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UH, MR. BREWER, IF COUNSEL HAS QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS AGENDA ITEM AFTER TONIGHT, CAN THOSE QUESTIONS BE FUNNELED TO YOU TO GET RESPONSES? THANK YOU.

[3. SPECIAL JOINT WORK SESSION WITH DESOTO PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION Call to Order for Planning & Zoning Commission]

ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS TIME, UH, WE WILL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, AND I BELIEVE WE NEED TO GO BACK TO OUR JOINT, UH, MEETING ITEM THREE.

AT THIS TIME, UH, WE DO HAVE ITEM FOUR, UH, THAT WE NEED TO BE ANNOUNCED.

WE'LL MOVE INTO OUR SPECIAL JOINT WORK SESSION WITH DESOTO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

FIRST, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND CALL THAT TO ORDER.

THE TIME IS SIX 40.

I'D LIKE TO CALL THE, TO ORDER THIS SPECIAL MEETING OF THE DESOTO PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MR. BREWER FOR ROLL CALL.

CHAIRMAN PUGH.

HERE.

VICE CHAIRMAN ANNELL.

COMMISSIONER BELL HERE.

COMMISSIONER ELLI.

AND COMMISSIONER BERRY MAYOR, WE DO HAVE A QUORUM.

THANK YOU MR. BREWER.

[4. Presentation and discussion of the Hampton Road Corridor Redevelopment Character-Based Code and zoning implementation process]

ROAD CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT, CHARACTER BASED AND ZONING IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.

WE HAVE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR REDEVELOPMENT, CHARACTER BASED CODE AND ZONING IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION PROCESS.

MAKING THAT PRESENTATION IS BEST ZI PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER.

GOOD EVENING COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

GOOD EVENING, WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION.

THE REASON FOR THE TONIGHT'S JOINT MEETING IS TO RECEIVE A PRESENTATION OF THE HAMPTON

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THE CHARACTER BASED CODE IS A VITAL COMPONENT OF THE PROPOSED HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR PROJECT.

IT KICKED OFF IN SUMMER OF 2022 AND COVERS ONE MILE CORRIDOR BETWEEN BELTRE AND BELTRE ROAD, AS WELL AS PRESENT RYAN ROAD.

THE CHARACTER BASED, UM, CODE ADDRESSED RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BUILDING FACADES AND PUBLIC REALM, THE FORM AND MASS OF BUILDINGS IN RELATIONSHIP TO ONE ANOTHER.

THE SCALE AND TYPE OF FAR STREETS AND BLOCKS THEY CARRIED BASED CODE ASSIST ASSISTING IN DEVELOPING DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENTS THAT SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF AND VIBRANT STREETSCAPE.

IN ADDITION, IT FOSTERS PREDICTABLE BUILT, BUILT RESULTS IN HIGH QUALITY PUBLIC REALM.

THE INTENT IS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A GENERAL DESCRIPTION AND CHARACTERISTICS OF A ZONING DISTRICT.

SOME OF THE ELEMENTS INCLUDE USES BUILDING PLACEMENT, ACCESS AND PARKING, BUILDING FORM, BUILDING ELEMENTS, LANDSCAPE AND E AND, UM, URBAN SIGNAGE.

TO DO THIS WORK, THE CITY CONTRACTED WITH THE HALF ASSOCIATES TO DEVELOP THE CHARACTER BASED CODE FOR THE ONE MILE STRETCH OF THE HAMPTON ROAD.

AS PART OF THEIR PLANNING PROCESS, HALF ASSOCIATES CONDUCTED COMMUNITY INPUT MEETINGS TO KEEP THE RESIDENTS INFORMED.

ADDITIONALLY, HALF ASSOCIATES ASSISTED THE CITY WITH THE CREATION OF THE ZONING ADVISORY BOARD STAFF MEMBERS, WHICH IS COMPOSED OF DEVELOPERS, HAMPTON ROAD PROPERTY OWNERS, A PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEMBER, OTHER STAKEHOLDERS TO REVIEW THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS WITHIN THE CORRIDOR.

THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT IS TO PRESENT THE PROPOSED CHARACTER BASED CODE TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS THE COMMISSION, THE ZONING AND PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, AND TO DISCUSS THE STEPS REQUIRED FOR THE ADOPTION AND THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE.

THE CHARACTER BASED CODE IS BEING PRESENTED FOR FEEDBACK WITH NO ACTION REQUIRED.

MAKING THIS PRESENTATION IS OUR ASSOCIATES.

LET'S MAKE ALFA ASSOCIATES FEEL WELCOME.

THANK YOU, BRENDAN.

I DON'T KNOW IF, UM, ANY OF OUR PRESENTERS HAVE EVER GOTTEN A, A ROUND OF APPLAUSE COMING UP, BUT FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING.

I, I DO FEEL WELCOME BACK.

FOR DEVELOPMENT COMING INTO YOUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE GONNA BE MAKING SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENTS AND SEE THE AREA.

SO, OH, GOOD, GOOD EVENING.

UH, MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF PLANNING, ZONING COMMISSION MEMBERS, UH, AGAIN, UH, MY NAME IS RUNNING CAIN.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF PLANNING WITH HALF BASED OUT OF OUR RICHARDSON OFFICE.

AND AS I'M GLAD AND HAPPY, EXCITED TO BE BACK HERE.

IT'S BEEN A MINUTE, UH, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

UM, BUT AS WE ARE, UM, UH, I, I'M HERE TONIGHT TO KIND OF DO A BRIEFING TO THE CITY COUNCIL ALONG WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION ON WHERE WE ARE AT TODAY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHERE WE'RE GOING HERE IN THE NEXT COUPLE MONTHS AS WE ARE START TRANSITIONING TOWARDS THE IMPLEMENTATION SIDE OF THIS ZONING, CODING, GOING THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS.

SO, JUST A, AGAIN, AS A, A REMINDER OF THIS EVENING, WE HAVE A BRIEF AGENDA.

I'LL TRY TO GO THROUGH THIS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE.

UM, BUT WE JUST WANNA DO OVERALL INTRODUCTIONS, TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT HISTORY.

THIS HAS BEEN A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE PROBABLY ABOUT 2019, UH, WITH DIFFERENT ELEMENTS.

I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE SOHO DISTRICT BRIEFLY AND WHAT THAT ENTAILS, UH, FOCUS ON FOR A MINUTE.

I THINK BESTER DID A GREAT JOB IDENTIFYING KIND OF WHAT CHARACTER BASED CODES ARE, BUT WE WANT TO SHOW IT IN A PICTORIAL SENSE.

TALK ABOUT YOUR REGULATING PLAN, UH, THE PROCESS, AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS.

UH, AS A REMINDER, SOME OF THE FAMILIAR FACES THAT HAVE BEEN WITH US THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT, KAYLEE SABER, WHO'S BEEN SERVING AS OUR DEPUTY PROJECT MANAGER, ABEL'S, BEEN BEHIND THE SCENES, CREATED ALL THE WONDERFUL GRAPHICS THAT ARE BEING, UH, THAT ARE PART OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS.

MOUNTING CLEVELAND IS, UH, SERVING AS THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE ROAD RECONSTRUCTION, UH, FOR YOUR PROJECT.

AND WE'VE BEEN IN LOCKSTEP WITH THEM ON THAT PROJECT.

AND THEN AS WE'LL GET INTO IT A LITTLE BIT, SOME OF THE OTHER IMPLEMENTATION STEPS AS PART OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS.

UH, I THINK MANY OF YOU KNOW JASON CLAU.

WE WERE HERE THROUGHOUT LAST YEAR WHEN WE CREATED YOUR TOURS DISTRICT AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENTATION GAME MASTER PLAN.

AND THEN ALSO LACEY, OUR, UH, ARLAND, WHO HAS BEEN SUPPORTING US ON THE BRANDING EFFORTS AS WELL.

I DO WANT TO JUST FOR THE PLAN COMMISSION'S BENEFIT, THE COMMUNITY'S BENEFIT, AND ANY MEMBERS ON THE COUNCIL THAT HAVE NOT BEEN HERE KIND OF JUST DO A BRIEF OVER OVERVIEW OF THE PROJECT PURPOSE AND THE HISTORY OF IT.

BUT REALLY, WE'RE LOOKING TO ADOPT A CHARACTER BASED CODE THAT PRODUCES A HIGH QUALITY PUBLIC REALM AND FOSTERS PREDICTABLE BUILT RESULTS.

UM, AS MOST LIKELY MATT AND YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAM AND BRANDON HAVE SHARED WITH YOU THROUGH THE PROCESS, YOU HAVE SOME PENT UP DEMAND

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AND WE WANT TO ENSURE AS PART OF THIS CODE THAT THOSE INVESTMENTS, YOU KNOW, TRIGGER ALSO NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT MEETS THE SPIRIT AND INTENT TO SOME OF THOSE CRITICAL INVESTMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT SOME DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA BE MAKING.

WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE BEAUTIFICATION DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT REALLY CREATES THIS AS A DESTINATION.

YOU KNOW, FOR OVER 15 YEARS, YOU'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THIS AS CREATING A DOWNTOWN DESTINATION FOR YOUR COMMUNITY.

AND THIS WILL, THIS CODE WILL HELP SUPPORT THAT CREATING THAT WALKABLE, SAFE, AND ATTRACTIVE CORRIDOR WITH A TRUE SET TO PLACE.

JUST A REMINDER FROM THE STREETSCAPE MASTER PLANNING AND VISION PROCESS THAT WE WORKED THROUGH, THROUGH ALL, THERE IS KIND OF FIVE GUIDING PRINCIPLES.

UH, ONE THOSE FOCUSED ON WALKABILITY.

UH, ONE WAS FOCUSED ON CONNECTIVITY.

AGAIN, MAKING SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, CONNECT THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS INTO THE DOWNTOWN, INTO THE FUTURE, DOWNTOWN IN HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, CULTURAL PRESERVATION, MAKING SURE THAT WE TAKE SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS AND BUILD THAT INTO IT.

REALLY GREENING YOUR STREETS.

YOU HAD A WONDERFUL PRESENTATION RIGHT BEFOREHAND ABOUT STORMWATER, UH, AND, AND CONTINUING TO BUILD IN SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS ON THE STORMWATER SIDE TO HELP WITH FLOODING AND, AND GREEN, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL.

AND THEN ALSO REALLY PROBABLY THE CRITICAL PIECE HERE IS REALLY FOCUSING ON PLACEMAKING.

MAKING THIS A PLACE WHERE DESOTO AND TO WANT TO COME LIVE, WORK, PLAY, INVEST, UH, THEIR MONEY AND THEIR TIME OUT OF THAT STREETSCAPE MASTER PLAN.

THERE WAS THREE IMPLEMENTATION TASKS.

THERE WERE THREE MAIN ONES THAT WE WANT TO FOCUS ON THIS EVENING.

ONE IS THE OVERALL HAMPTON ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT IS NOT BEING DISCUSSED THIS EVENING, BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING THROUGH WITH YOU ALL ON THAT PROJECT.

WE'RE REALLY HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE ZONING CODE UPDATE AND WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT PROCESS IN THE NEXT STEPS.

BUT ALSO JUST A REMINDER, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE WERE HERE LAST YEAR WORKING WITH MATT AND ANTOINE AND THE TEAM HERE TO CREATE YOUR TOURS.

UM, YOUR TAX COMMIT REINVESTMENT ZONE, THAT IS GONNA BE YOUR FUNDING MECHANISM, NOT ONLY FOR SOME ELEMENTS OF THE RECONSTRUCTION, BUT ALSO FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT INTO THE CORRIDOR AS WELL.

IT WAS CRITICAL TO GET THAT DONE IN 2022, AS, AS IT, AS YOU GO ON, WENT INTO 2023.

AND THAT'LL PAY DIVIDENDS LONG TERM AS NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES INTO THE CORRIDOR AS WELL.

THE SOHA DISTRICT, AS WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESS FROM A BRANDING PERSPECTIVE AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE REALLY JUST WANT TO KIND OF PROVIDE YOU WITH WHAT THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL MAY LOOK LIKE.

WE WENT THROUGH A PROCESS TO, DURING THE, THE STREETSCAPE SIDE OF THINGS, AS WE STARTED THE, THE CHARACTER CODE TO IDENTIFY A CHARACTER PALLET FOR THE CORRIDOR.

AND THROUGH THE PROCESS, WE CAME UP WITH WHAT, WITH WHAT WAS KIND OF THIS DISTRICT THAT WAS FOCUSED AROUND THIS PROGRESSIVE CONTEMPORARY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT KIND OF GLASS AND STEEL REFLECTIVE SURFACES, NEUTRAL PALLETS, YOU KNOW, CLEAN LINES AND ROUNDED EDGES, CONTRAST AND COLOR PALETTES.

THESE ARE SOME OF THE ELEMENTS WHEN WE THINK ABOUT PROGRESSIVE, CONTEMPORARY, THAT, UH, FOR THE FUTURE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE DESOTO AND HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR, HOW THIS APPLIES INTO THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, UH, WITHIN THE STREETSCAPE AND PUBLIC REALM SIDE OF THINGS.

THESE ARE SOME OVERALL, UH, EXAMPLES OF HOW THOSE ELEMENTS CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THE STREETSCAPE THAT OUR LANDSCAPE TEAM AND OUR CIVIL TEAM ARE WORKING THROUGH RIGHT NOW FROM THE PUBLIC REALM PERSPECTIVE, BUT ALSO SETS THE TONE FOR THE PRIVATE REALM AS NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES INTO THE CORRIDOR.

THIS IS GONNA BE THE EXPECTATION, WHAT SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS ARE GONNA BE REQUIRED TO, UH, IMPLEMENT AS KIND OF AN EXTENSION TO SOME OF THE PUBLIC SIDEWALKS AND THE PUBLIC REALM, UH, ELEMENTS THAT YOU ARE GONNA BE PUTTING IN AS PART OF THE ROAD RECONSTRUCTION WHEN IT LOOKS INTO THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF SOME OF THE BUILDINGS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

THESE ARE FOR ILLUSTRATIVE PURPOSES ONLY, BUT THIS IS THE, THE LOOK AND FEEL AND, AND THE STYLE OF BUILDINGS THAT THE CORRIDOR WILL BE FOCUSING TRENDING TOWARDS INTO THE FUTURE AS WELL.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF A NEUTRAL PALLET, REALLY ALLOTTED GLASS AND STEEL.

THE CODE CANNOT REGULATE BUILDIN MATERIALS.

THAT'S THE PRIMARY THING HERE.

SO AS PART OF THE CODE, WE WERE MAKING SURE THAT WE, THAT WE AT LEAST PROVIDE THE, UM, A FRONT END PREAMBLE TO THE CODE THAT TALKS ABOUT WHAT THE PROCESS WAS TO GET TO HEAR WHAT IS THE LOOK AND DESIRE AND FEEL FOR THE COMMUNITY.

UH, BUT WHAT WE CAN REGULATE IS, AS I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT LATER, IS THE BUILDING FORM.

HOW DOES THE BUILDING REACT TO THE STREET? HOW DOES IT REACT TO PEDESTRIANS, THE, YOU KNOW, THE AMOUNT OF TRANSPARENCY, THE DIFFERENT OPENINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT WE WANT TO HAVE REPRESENTATIVE IMAGES IN HERE TO SHOWCASE WHAT, YOU KNOW, OVER THREE YEARS, OVER ALMOST FOUR NOW, UH, INVESTMENT THAT THE COMMUNITY AND THE, AND THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE PUT INTO, UH, RE-ENVISIONING HAMPTON ROAD.

THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL KIND OF THE, THE START OF WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT FROM COLOR PALETTE STANDPOINT.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE KEY THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH YOUR STAFF IS IDENTIFYING HOW DO WE CODIFY A COLOR PALETTE, WHICH IS, UM, WHICH WE ARE ABLE TO DO AS PART OF THE ZONING CODE, UH, IMPLEMENTATION.

SO AGAIN, WE ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, I WOULD SAY KIND OF YOUR PRIMARY COLORS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.

BUT THEN AGAIN, WE WANT TO CREATE THAT FLEXIBILITY.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PRISTINE

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TO, IT HAS TO BE THIS COLOR CHOICE OF THIS BLUE OR THIS GRAY OR, OR THIS GREEN.

BUT IT PROVIDES YOU EXAMPLE TONES AND THE FLEXIBILITY TO WORK WITHIN THAT TYPE OF COLOR PALETTE AS WELL.

AND THOSE ARE ONE OF THE ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH AS PART OF YOUR WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF AS WELL.

AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF HOW, YOU KNOW, FROM AN IMPLEMENTATION STANDPOINT, HOW, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER OF THE, OF THE ROAD CORRIDOR CAN AND HOPEFULLY WILL LOOK IN THE FUTURE FUTURE AS WE BRING IN A LOT OF THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS INTO THE OVERALL STREETSCAPE UH, PERSPECTIVE.

FROM A BRANDING PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE WORKED ON, UH, AGAIN, WITH YOUR TEAM TO COME UP WITH WHAT WE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS THE SOHA DISTRICT.

YOU HAVE, YOU'VE GONE, YOU WENT THROUGH A VERY EXTENSIVE REBOUND OF REBRAND OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND WE'VE TAKEN THOSE ELEMENTS INTO THE DIFFERENT WAY FINDING AND SIGNAGE THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED AS PART OF THE RE THE STREETSCAPE RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, UH, WE'VE CREATED KIND OF THESE, YOU KNOW, USING YOUR, YOUR FEATHER MOTIF INTO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, WHETHER IT'S A GATEWAY MONUMENT, WHICH JUST KIND OF YOUR SIGNATURE MONUMENTS ON THE, THE NORTH OR SOUTH END.

WE HAVE SOME DISTRICT MONUMENTS AS WELL.

THERE ARE SOME COUPLE KEY NOTES THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR, OR YOU MAY SEE MORE DISTRICT TYPE OF MONUMENTATION.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE IDENTIFIED SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR WA WA OR EXCUSE ME, MORE, YOU KNOW, YOUR PEDESTRIAN LEVEL WAY FINDING MONUMENTATION AS WELL.

AND THIS IS JUST AGAIN, AND WE WANNA SHOW AN EXAMPLE OF HOW IT COULD LOOK LIKE WITHIN THE, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT LONG TERM.

JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT THE, THE ROAD CONFIGURATION IS LOOKING LIKE RIGHT NOW.

UH, THIS IS KIND OF THE NORTH END, SO THIS WOULD BE MORE UP ON, UH, TOWARDS WHERE WE ARE SITTING HERE TODAY, UM, ON PLEASANT RUN GOING SOUTH BASICALLY TO THE HEATH CREEK BRIDGE.

UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT KEEPING IT WITHIN THE TYPICAL RIGHT OF WAY OF 80 FEET, REDUCING THEIR LANES THAT ARE OUT THERE FROM FIVE LANES DOWN TO TWO DRIVING LANES AND A CENTER TURN LANE.

YOU'LL SEE A BUFFER ZONE THAT'S ABOUT 13 FEET IDENTIFIED THERE RIGHT NOW.

THAT THAT BUFFER ZONE IS NOT ALWAYS GONNA BE JUST LANDSCAPE.

THERE WILL BE AREAS WE ARE WORKING THROUGH FROM THE, FROM THE DESIGN STANDPOINT OF WHERE SOME ON STREET PARKING MAY GO.

WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS AND PART OF THE CODE THAT MORE INTENSIVE USES WILL BE MORE NORTH OF THE BRIDGE.

UM, AND SO THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED THERE WILL BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR ON STREET PARKING IN CERTAIN AREAS, BUT THAT IS STILL TO BE DETERMINED AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT PROCESS DEPENDING ON DRIVEWAY CLOSURES THAT WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH AS PART OF THAT DESIGN ON THE SOUTH END HAS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TYPE OF CHARACTER AND LOOK AND FIELD.

THIS IS SOUTH OF, UH, THE HEATH CREEK BRIDGE TOWARDS BELTLINE ROAD.

UH, WITHIN THIS AREA, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE OF A LANDSCAPE MEDIAN ALL THE WAY GOING DOWN THE BELTLINE ROAD, UH, WITH THE CENTER TURN LANE BUILT INTO IT WHEN NEEDED.

BUT YOU CAN SEE, UH, ON BOTH INSTANCES HERE, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE LARGE SHARED USE PATHS ON BOTH SIDES.

SO THAT DOES NOT ONLY, NOT ONLY FOCUS FOR THE PEDESTRIAN WALKABILITY SIDE OF THINGS, BUT ALSO FOR BICYCLISTS AS WELL.

AND THEN WE ARE MAKING SURE AS PART OF THE CODE THAT WE PROVIDE PROPER DISTANCE SETBACKS.

SO YOU STILL CAN HAVE SOME OUTDOOR PATIOS, BUT THAT DOES NOT IMPEDE ANY OF THE PEDESTRIAN REALM ELEMENTS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN OR BEING CONSTRUCTED.

ALRIGHT, THAT'S THE BACKGROUND OF WHERE, WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHERE WE'RE GOING HERE JUST FROM THE CHARACTER CODE PERSPECTIVE.

SO WHAT IS A CHARACTER CODES SLASH FORM BASED TALK? AND THIS IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, UM, FROM A, FROM A STANDPOINT OF WHAT I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT REALLY BRINGS THE, THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT TO REALLY, TO THE, TO THE FOREFRONT.

YOU, YOUR TYPICAL EUCLIDEAN ZONING, MOSTLY WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW REALLY JUST ESTABLISHES YOUR SETBACKS, YOUR, YOUR ABILITY AND FOOTPRINTS.

UM, FORM-BASED CODES AND CHARACTER BASED CODES REALLY TALK ABOUT HOW THE BUILDINGS INTERACT FROM AN URBAN DESIGN STANDPOINT TO THE PUBLIC REALM.

IT ALLOWS YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN OR ORIENTATED FRONTAGES.

LOOKING AT THE SETBACKS AND TRANSPARENCY OF THE PUBLIC REALM, WE REALLY FOCUS ON HEIGHT, SCALE AND MASSING.

SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT, SO BUILDINGS DON'T HAVE 200 FEET OF STRAIGHT WALL WITH NO ARTICULATION OR ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THOSE LINES.

IT REALLY HELPS US TO ARTICULATE THE ACCESS AND PARKING OF BUILDINGS, OR EXCUSE ME, OF CARS WHERE THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF BUILDINGS ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT.

AND IF YOU WANT A PEDESTRIAN ONLY WALK ONE ENVIRONMENT, YOU'RE GONNA WANT THE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE ROAD WITH PARKING IN THE REAR.

AND IT ALSO, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN TALK ABOUT SIGNAGE IN THE, IN THE URBAN ENVIRONMENT.

THIS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW, FROM HOW THE ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON GET ACTIVATED AND GET IMPLEMENTED INTO A BUILD PROJECT.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'VE JUST HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THOSE ELEMENTS THAT WE ARE ARTICULATED AS PART OF THE CODE, BUT AS I MENTIONED, IT TALKS ABOUT THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND ARTICULATION, THE VARIETY OF BUILDING ELEMENTS, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHETHER IT HAS, YOU KNOW, ON THIS EXAMPLE HERE, IT HAS, YOU KNOW, PATIOS AND, AND DECKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

YOU KNOW, THE ARTICULATION DOWN ON THE, ON THE GROUND, THE STOREFRONT SIDE OF THINGS WITH

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FACADE WITH WINDOWS AND VISUAL DEPTH AND SIGNAGE.

WE TALK ABOUT THE LANDSCAPE AND ACTIVATED STREETSCAPE ELEMENTS.

AND THEN ALSO AS I MENTIONED, THE LOCATION OF ON STREET AND OFF STREET PARKING AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE AS PART OF THIS CODE IS PROVIDING THAT PREDICTABLE BUILT ENVIRONMENT TO DEVELOPERS THAT'S, THAT ESTABLISHES THAT, THAT TONE AND VISION THAT YOU ALL HAVE IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE PLANNING PROCESS.

THE REGULATING PLAN, THIS IS JUST KIND OF THE OVERALL STRUCTURE OF THE, THE CODE RIGHT NOW.

AND I'LL GET INTO THE DIFFERENT ARTICLES THAT WE HAVE HERE, BUT THE CODE IS GOING TO BE, UH, UM, IS GONNA BE A, A DISTINCT PORTION OF YOUR ZONING CODE TO PUT IT IS GOING TO BE CREATING BRAND NEW ZONING DISTRICTS.

YOU KNOW, I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT HERE FROM WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE.

THE REGULATING PLAN IDENTIFIED FIVE DIFFERENT CHARACTER ZONES.

AS YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE PURPLE AREA ARE, IS YOUR URBAN CENTER.

AND I'LL BREAK THESE DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THEY'RE REALLY MORE OF YOUR HIGHER INTENSITY MIXED USE USE NODES THAT ARE ON BELTLINE ROAD AND, AND PLEASANT ROAD AND, AND HAMPTON ROAD.

AND THEN WE'VE IDENTIFIED THROUGH, UH, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE AS WELL.

UH, URBAN GENERAL IS GONNA BE MORE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR.

YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES ARE MORE OF YOUR AUTO ORIENTATED BUSINESSES.

UH, SO THEY'LL BE KIND OF ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF IT A LITTLE BIT.

YOUR URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD IS AREAS OF FOCUS WHERE WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER INTENSITY.

UM, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, MAYBE YOUR APARTMENTS, MAYBE YOUR TOWN HOMES, A LITTLE BIT MORE MULTI-FAMILY.

AND THEN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD TRANSITION.

ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO ENSURE AS PART OF THIS CODE IS, UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S A PROPER TRANSITION TO THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY.

WE'RE NOT HERE TO BE PUT IN A FIVE FIVE STORY BUILDING RIGHT NEXT TO A SINGLE STORY HOUSE.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS APPROPRIATE BUFFERING AND APPROPRIATE SCALABILITY OF THE BUILDINGS FROM HAMPTON ROAD TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE, THAT ARE PART OR ADJACENT TO THE CORRIDOR.

THE REGULATING PLAN ALSO IDENTIFIES FUTURE PRIMARY ROADS, UH, AND SECONDARY ROADS.

UH, SOME OF THESE ROADS ARE NOT BUILT TODAY, UH, BUT WE HAVE PLACED THEM IN THERE TO FACILITATE ADDITIONAL NETWORK.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE ARE REDUCING THE LANES, UH, ON HAMPTON ROAD, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE APPROPRIATE INFRASTRUCTURE, VEHICULAR INFRASTRUCTURE IS, IS PUT IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO DISPERSE SOME OF THE TRAFFIC WITHIN THE DISTRICT WHEN NEEDED.

YOU KNOW, THAT CAN BE WHETHER IT'S FROM A, A ROAD PERSPECTIVE OR WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, FOR INSTANCE, CROSS ACCESS EASEMENTS ACROSS EXISTING DEVELOPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT CARS STILL HAVE THE ABILITY TO NAVIGATE THROUGHOUT THE OVERALL DISTRICT.

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FUTURE REDEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES, IF THERE IS A, A ROAD THAT'S ON THE, WITH, ON THE PROPERTY, UM, IT WOULD IDENTIFY TO THE DEVELOPER THAT THAT WOULD BE A REQUIRED ROAD TO BE PUT IN, FOR EXAMPLE, OR IMPROVE AS NEEDED.

AS I MENTIONED, YOUR URBAN CENTER, THESE ARE YOUR, THESE ARE YOUR BIG MIXED USE NODES THAT ARE ON, YOU KNOW, PLEASANT RUN AND BELTLINE ROAD.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT UP TO FIVE STORIES, UH, IN NATURE AT THE MAX HEIGHT.

UM, YOUR URBAN GENERAL WOULD, THIS WOULD BE MORE OF THE SCALABILITY ALONG A LOT OF YOUR CORRIDOR INTO THE FUTURE THAT WE ARE ANTICIPATING.

AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, IT PROVIDES THAT NICE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENT, UH, GOOD SCALABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, YOUR STOREFRONTS AND, AND THE BUILDING FACADES THAT ARE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

BUT THIS COULD OPEN UP OR HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO UP TO THREE STORIES AS NEEDED.

WE DO HAVE SOME BUILDING TYPES IN HERE.

A LOT OF THESE ARE REALLY FOCUSED ON MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT, SO RETAIL, COMMERCIAL, UH, TYPE OF ENTITIES ON, ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR WITH, YOU KNOW, SOME FORM OF THE OFFICE UP ON THE SECOND, UH, FLOOR OR RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, DEPENDENT ON THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES, AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS MORE FOCUSED ON YOUR AREAS THAT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE AUTO DOMINATED OR, OR AUTO DRIVEN.

SO AREAS, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY EAST OR WEST OF HAMPTON ROAD, THERE ARE SOME KEY AREAS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AS PART OF THE, THE TURS.

AND AS PART OF THIS PLANNING PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DESIRE AND THERE'S STILL A NEED FOR THESE TYPES OF USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

UH, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO AT LEAST ENHANCE THAT, UH, THE BUILDING DESIGN AND THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT SO YOU'RE NOT TO SEE THE SEE OF PARKING ALONG THE WAY.

AS I MENTIONED, YOUR URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD, I KNOW THIS WAS, UH, A QUESTION THAT I KNOW I TALKED TO MANY OF YOU AS PART OF THE PROCESS WHERE YOU MAY ENVISION SOME MORE HIGH, YOU KNOW, HIGHER DENSITY INTENSITY TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THERE ARE POCKETS ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT WE FELT WOULD BE APPLICABLE FOR THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU GET, YOU KNOW, DOWN ON THE SOUTHERN END A LITTLE BIT, THERE ARE SOME LARGER PARCELS OF LAND FOR REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD SEE MORE OF YOUR MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT THERE.

AND THEN, AS I MENTIONED, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SCALE THAT BACK TO THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY.

UM, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS CODE IS NOT TO, YOU KNOW, REPLACE OR PUSH OUT ANY, ANY EXISTING RESIDENTS OR HOMES THAT ARE THERE TODAY.

BUT AGAIN, WE REALLY WANT TO ENSURE THAT WE PROVIDE THE PROPER BUFFERING AND THE PROPER, YOU

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KNOW, A SCALE TRANSITION FROM HIRED INTENSITY AND DENSITIES ALONG THE CORRIDOR DOWN TO THOSE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOODS.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS ALSO DOES ALLOW FOR SOME INFILL DEVELOPMENT AND SOME OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL.

ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS EVENING AND AND JUST BRIEF, UH, EVERYONE ON IS, UM, KIND OF, I, I WON'T SAY THE CHALLENGES, BUT KIND OF THE NEXT STEPS, AND THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING INTO IT HERE A LITTLE BIT.

ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WITH THIS ZONING CODE IS, UM, THE DIRECTION OF WHERE WE INTEND TO GO, WHICH IS GOING TO BE A PROACTIVE REZONE OF ALL THE PROPERTIES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

UM, IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE, THE BEST OUTCOME FOR THE CITY, WE FELT WE WENT THROUGH DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND WE FELT THE BEST OUTCOME WOULD BE TO HAVE THE CITY DO A SPONSORED REZONE OF THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR AREA THAT WE'VE IDENTIFIED WITHIN THE TOURS DISTRICT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT, UM, PUT SOME PROPERTIES AS NONCONFORMING.

UH, AS PART OF THAT, AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, WE WANT TO BE VERY UPFRONT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND AWARE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THAT SOME PROPERTIES, BECAUSE OF POTENTIAL SETBACKS OR USES, MAY, MAY BECOME NONCONFORMING AS PART OF THIS ZONING CODE.

AND SO WE WANT TO, AS PART OF THE CODE, AND THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, THIS IS NOT ALL THE WAY FLESHED OUT YET.

WE WANT, WE, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING A SCALD APPROACH OR SCALABILITY IN THE SENSE OF, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE STILL GOING MAINTAINED ON THE CORRIDOR, AND WE'RE NOT KICKING THEM OUT TODAY.

THIS IS STILL GONNA BE A PRIME DEVELOPMENT MARKET AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

UH, BUT THERE MAY BE SOME BUILDINGS ALONG THE CORRIDOR THAT BA MAY BECOME NONCONFORMING AGAIN, PREDOMINANTLY, MOST LIKELY BECAUSE OF SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, OR THEY DON'T MEET THOSE THINGS, BUT THEY STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN THEIR USE ALONG 'CAUSE IT FITS WITHIN THE USES ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

WE ARE BUILDING IN OPPORTUNITIES WHERE THEY STILL CAN IN, CAN IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTIES FOR DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OR REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE TO UPDATE DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF PROJECT ACTIVITY, WHETHER IT'S FULL BLOWN NEW CONSTRUCTION, WHETHER IT'S A SMALL MODIFICATION.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE A PROPERTY OWNER IF A WATER HEATER BREAKS AND THEY GOTTA DO SOME INTERIOR REMODELING OR ANYTHING ELSE.

SO THERE IS A SCALABILITY FACTOR HERE TO ENSURE THAT WE PROVIDE THE MOST FLEXIBILITY.

BUT IT'S, AGAIN, STILL FOCUSING IN ON THE END GAME OF THE BUILD PREDICTABILITY.

YOU HAVE SOME MAJOR DEVELOPERS LOOKING TO BUILD HERE, AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT DOES OCCUR AND MAINTAIN THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR AS WELL.

SO THE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD, UH, AS I MENTIONED, THIS CHARACTER BASED CODE WILL IMPLEMENT NEW ZONING DISTRICTS AND REGULATIONS FOR THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER AREA.

THIS IS OUTSIDE OF YOUR CURRENT ZONING CODE.

WE ARE CREATING FIVE NEW BRAND NEW ZONING DISTRICTS FOR THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR.

AS I MENTIONED, WE'RE LOOKING, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS GOING TO DO A SPONSORED REZONE OF ALL THE PARCELS WITHIN THE HAMPTON ROAD AREA WILL OCCUR AT ONE MEETING.

SO THE INTENTION IS, UH, INTO NEXT YEAR.

UM, IN THE FEBRUARY MARCH TIME PERIOD, YOU WOULD BE DOING A PROACTIVE REZONE AT THE SAME TIME AS ADOPTING THE CODE.

UH, THE PROCESS IS, IS THAT YOU NEED TO, UM, ADOPT THE, THE DISTRICTS FIRST AND THEN THE, THE, THE REZONE.

SECONDLY, UH, 'CAUSE YOU WOULD BE, YOU WOULD BE REZONING THE PROPERTIES TO THAT NEW ZONING DISTRICT.

AND AS I MENTIONED, WE WANNA BE VERY UPFRONT WITH THE CITY COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW, DO DUE TO THE SIZE AND IMPACT OF THE CHARACTER AREA.

IT IS POSSIBLE IT MAY REQUIRE SUPER MAJORITY VOTES DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, ALONG THOSE LINES AND, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC COMING OUT AND PROPERTY OWNERS SPEAKING ABOUT IT.

SO THE ANTICIPATED REVIEW TIMELINE IS WE ARE, UH, WORKING AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN TO GET THROUGH THESE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS.

WE WILL BE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION NEXT WEEK, ALONG WITH THE ZONING ADVISORY BOARD TO PROVIDE THEM AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW, ALONG WITH SOME ADDITIONAL, UM, FOR THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION.

IT'LL BE KIND OF AN INTRODUCTION FOR THE ZONING ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

IT'LL BE KIND OF AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IN SOME OF THE ADDITIONAL DISTRICTS.

WE, WE DO HAVE A MEETING PLANNED FOR DECEMBER 12TH, WHERE WE'LL PRESENT PROBABLY THE SECOND HALF OF THE DISTRICT AS WELL.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO, YOU KNOW, TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THIS CODE DOES, HOW IT IS IMPLEMENTED.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE GOING THROUGH THAT KIND OF EDUCATIONAL PROCESS OVER THE NEXT COUPLE MEETINGS.

WE ARE, UH, LOOKING TO HAVE IN JANUARY, UM, PROPERTY OWNER MEETINGS, AND I'LL GET INTO THAT SCHEDULE IN A SECOND.

WE WANT TO BE VERY OPEN AND VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

AND WE'LL BE WORKING WITH YOUR TEAM TO HOST SEVERAL OPEN HOUSES, UH, IN SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, THE BUSINESS OWNERS ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF OUR TEAM OR REPRESENTATIVE STAFF ABOUT THE PROCESS.

WHAT DOES THIS DO TO THEIR PROPERTIES? AS BESSER MENTIONED, UH, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT THROUGHOUT THE, I WOULD SAY THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.

SO IT IS, I THINK, A KNOWN PROJECT MOVING FORWARD HERE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO DO A, A CERTIFICATE MASTER PLAN IS ANOTHER ONE.

YOU GET TO

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THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE ZONING CODE AND WHAT DOES IT DO ON THE ACTUAL PROPERTY.

FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE IN JANUARY, WE ARE ASKING TO DO ONE-ON-ONES WITH YOU ALL PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION PROCESS.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL THE INPUT THAT WE HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR DISTRICT OR ANYONE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY COMES UP TO YOU AND GOING, HEY, WHAT'S GOING ON ALONG HAMPTON ROAD, WE WANNA BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE PRIOR TO GOING THROUGH THIS REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE, FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE CODE.

AND THEN RIGHT NOW WE ARE ANTICIPATING, UH, FEBRUARY 13TH AND MARCH 5TH FOR PLAN, COMMISSION, HEARING AND CONSIDERATION, AND THEN HOPEFULLY THE ADOPTION ON MARCH 5TH.

UH, HE, UH, WITH YOU ALL, AS I MENTIONED, WELL, WE WANNA BE VERY TRANSPARENT AND VERY OPEN WITH THE PROPERTIES.

AND SO WE'VE, WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS SCHEDULE HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE AMPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS AND, AND PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, ALONG THE CORRIDOR TO BE ABLE TO MEET WITH US.

SO WE ARE DEDICATED TWO COMPLETE DAYS TO BE HERE WITH OUR TEAM.

UH, THERE WILL BE WINDOWS OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR WHERE THERE'LL BE A PRESENTATION AND THERE'LL BE AN OPEN HOUSE KIND OF DISCUSSION TO TALK ABOUT THE CODE.

THERE'LL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UH, ONE-ON-ONE TIME SLOTS FOR PEOPLE TO MEET WITH ME OR A MEMBER OF MY TEAM TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS MAY AFFECT THEM DIRECTLY.

AND THEN ON MONDAY EVENING, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A VIRTUAL PRESENTATION.

WE ARE GONNA DO A WEBINAR FORMAT FOR THAT.

SO ANYONE THAT IS INTERESTED IN UNDERSTANDING WHAT THE CODE IS OR HOW IT MAY AFFECT THEIR PROPERTY, THERE'LL BE A WEBINAR ON MONDAY EVENING.

AND THEN ON THURSDAY EVENING, WE WILL HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE HERE AT CITY HALL.

UH, AGAIN, AS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, IF, IF THE WEBINAR DOES NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, WE WILL HAVE AN OPEN HOUSE AS WELL.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR BOTH PEOPLE, WHETHER THEY LIKE THE VIRTUAL OPTION OR THE IN-PERSON OPTION AS WELL.

UH, BUT THIS IS THE TENTATIVE AND PROPOSED SCHEDULE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH YOUR TEAM ON, YOUR STAFF ON, UH, TO PRESENT AND START GETTING NOTIFICATIONS OUT HERE, UH, PROBABLY WITHIN THE DECEMBER TIMELINE FOR THESE UPCOMING PROPERTY OWNER MEETINGS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

AND THEN I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO MATT, UH, FOR A MINUTE.

JUST TALK ABOUT KIND OF THE OTHER, UH, NEXT STEPS AND IMPLEMENTATION PIECES HERE.

THANK YOU, BRENNAN.

UM, VERY WELL DONE.

APPRECIATE THE QUICK OVERVIEW.

IT, IT'S PRETTY EVIDENT AS YOU LOOK AT THOSE LAST COUPLE SLIDES THAT, UM, WE'VE SET A PRETTY QUICK PACE TO GET THIS ADOPTED.

UM, AS WE CLOSE IN ON THE END OF THE YEAR AND THE BEGINNING OF THE NEW YEAR, UM, WE STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT THE TIMEFRAMES LOOKED LIKE AND TRYING TO WORK BROADLY WITHIN Y'ALL'S SCHEDULE, BUT ALSO WITH THE PUBLIC.

YOU KNOW, FOR THE LAST NINE MONTHS WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND, AND THIS HAS BEEN A, A TOPIC THAT'S BEEN BRUSHED UP AGAINST AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT WE'VE REACHED KIND OF A PEAK, IF YOU WILL, ON THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE.

AND THAT'S THE REASON THAT BRENDAN AND HIS TEAM SUGGESTED MAYBE ONCE AGAIN, WE REACH OUT TO THE PUBLIC, BOTH THE BUSINESS OWNERS AND THE, AND THE RESIDENTIAL OWNERS TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT AND ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP THERE.

BUT WHEN ALL IS SAID AND DONE, THIS IS A VISION THAT Y'ALL HAVE SUPPORTED FOR MANY YEARS LONG BEFORE I GOT HERE.

EVEN, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING Y'ALL HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.

UM, FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, OUR TEAM IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, ANTOINE AND I HAVE BEEN OUT TALKING TO DEVELOPERS ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND ABOUT ALL OF THE THINGS THAT THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR MEANS, WHAT THE, THE CHARACTER CODE MEANS FOR THEIR ABILITY TO DEVELOP IN THE CORRIDOR.

AND NOW WE'RE, WE'RE HERE WHERE WE HAVE CAPITAL AT THE DOORSTEP.

WE HAVE DEVELOPERS WHO ARE BRINGING THE, THE MONEY TO GET IT DONE IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.

WE HAVE NUMEROUS PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, THE SMALLEST OF WHICH IS THE ROOTS CHICKEN SHACK, BUT THE, THE LARGER ONES, THE HAMPTON COMMONS, THE COMMUNITY HERITAGE BAPTIST, UH, FACILITY, THE MED CENTER THAT'S THERE ACROSS FROM HAMPTON, HAMPTON ROAD BAPTIST, THOSE ARE ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE KNOCKING AT THE DOOR.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GET THIS ADOPTED SO THAT THEY CAN BEGIN TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, THAT ADOPTION SENDS A VERY CLEAR MESSAGE TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED, ABOUT OUR FUTURE.

IT SENDS VERY CLEAR MESSAGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE SERIOUS, THAT WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF ISN'T, UH, ALL FUN AND GAMES.

IT REALLY IS TRUE.

THIS IS WHERE DESOTO IS HEADED.

THOSE ARE THE BENEFITS OF, OF THIS KIND OF MOMENTUM.

BUT THERE'S ALSO SOME IMPACTS IF WE DELAY.

THE RISING COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH DELAYS ARE ALREADY IMPACTING US ON THE ROAD PROJECT.

AND SO WE'RE MANAGING THOSE AS BEST WE CAN.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY IS THIS IDEA THAT A LOSS OF CONFIDENCE FROM THE COMMUNITY, A LOSS OF CONFIDENCE FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNERS WHO, WHO ARE STANDING THERE READY TO BEGIN ASKING HOW QUICKLY WE CAN GET THIS ADOPTED.

WE'RE FIGHTING THAT NOW WITH OUR ROOTS PROJECT OF WE DON'T HAVE A CODE, BUT WE WANT YOU TO LIVE TO THE CODE THAT ISN'T EVEN ADOPTED YET.

THEY'RE BEING

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GOOD PARTNERS, RIGHT? THERE'S NO QUESTION THEY'VE BEEN GREAT PARTNERS, BUT THAT'S HARD.

THAT'S A HARD PLACE FOR MY COLLEAGUES IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO BE BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE RULES ARE YET.

UM, AND FINALLY, THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF CONFIDENCE FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.

WE DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT MOMENTUM OF, OF DEVELOPERS WHO ARE THINKING DIFFERENTLY ABOUT DESOTO WHO ARE EMBRACING THE KINDS OF PROJECTS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

UM, WE DON'T WANT TO MISS THE OPPORTUNITY WITH A STUTTER STEP, UM, THAT FAILURE TO ADOPTION WOULD CREATE.

THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATION AND WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS CHARLES AND INVESTOR HERE MYSELF.

UM, AND OF COURSE, BRENNAN, IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. CARLSON.

THANK YOU, UH, MR. KANE FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

UM, BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I'M GONNA ASK MR. FEER IF HE WILL SET THE TIMER.

'CAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE TWO GOVERNING BODY, WELL TWO BODIES HERE, UM, THAT MAY HAVE COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS.

SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE MAINTAIN GOOD TIME CONSIDERING WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL AGENDA ITEMS ON OUR AGENDA TONIGHT.

HOWEVER, CITY MANAGER, RIGHT, UH, MR. KANE AND MR. CARLSON, CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE THE COUNCIL AS WELL AS OUR PLANNING AND ZONING SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TONIGHT SO THAT WE CAN TAILOR OUR COMMENTS TO THAT? SURE.

SO, SO, UH, TWO KIND OF GENERAL AREAS THAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK TONIGHT.

FIRST OF ALL IS THAT YOU, NOW YOU'VE SEEN KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL, UM, I'LL CALL IT MAYBE AN 85, 90% VIEW OF WHAT THAT HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR CHARACTER BASED CODE LOOKS LIKE.

UH, ARE THERE ANY CONCERNS, UM, WITH WHAT YOU SEE IN, IN THE DIRECTION THAT IS HEADING? UH, THE SECOND PART OF THIS REALLY, AND I, AND I THINK PROBABLY THE MORE IMPACTFUL PART OF IT, IS THIS IDEA OF IMPLEMENTATION.

UM, HOW DOES THAT IMPLEMENTATION PLAN LOOK TO YOU? DO YOU WANT TO SEE ANY MODIFICATIONS TO IT BEFORE WE BEGIN? UH, TEEING THIS UP FOR BOTH, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING REVIEW AS WELL AS CITY COUNCIL REVIEW.

UH, AND SO AS, AS WE MOVE THAT PROCESS, THAT THAT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY IF THERE'S A MORE IMPORTANT SIDE OF IT, IT'S THAT SECONDARY COMPONENT TO IT, UH, THE IMPLEMENTATION, UH, SCHEDULE FOR THIS.

SO THOSE ARE THE TWO AREAS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK TONIGHT, UH, FROM THE COUNCIL AND FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION.

UH, COUNSEL, WE'LL, WE'LL START HERE.

I SEE A FEW LIGHTS, DR. MARKS, IS THAT A LIGHT TO SPEAK? YES, IT IS, MA'AM.

WE'LL START WITH DR. MARKS.

UH, MR. FGE, IF YOU COULD GIVE HER TWO MINUTES PLEASE.

MINE WILL BE LESS THAN ONE MINUTE.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THIS AFTERNOON.

YOU SPOKE ABOUT, UM, THE, THE REZONING FOR THOSE PARTICULAR, FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA.

SO AS WE LOOK AT THAT, I UNDERSTAND THAT IT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 400 BUSINESSES AND OUR HOMEOWNERS OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE IMPACTED.

SO WITH THAT, I THINK THAT MESSAGING IS GONNA BE VERY IMPORTANT.

SO CAN YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR MESSAGING? HOW WILL YOU GET THAT INFORMATION OUT TO THE HOMEOWNERS AND BUSINESSES AS FAR AS THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS, UM, AND ALL OF THAT? CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT? I'LL, I'LL TAKE A SWING AT IT, BUT I'M NOT THE ONE DOING IT.

IT'S, IT'S BESTER AND, AND AND CHARLES OVER IN, IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.

BUT AS WE WOULD WITH ANY REZONING, WE'LL BE DOING A MAILING TO ALL THE AFFECTED PARTIES IN ADDITION TO THAT 200 FOOT AREA AND THAT 400 FOOT AREA, UM, THAT ARE AFFECTED IN ALL OF THOSE PARCELS THAT ARE WITHIN THE, THE CHARACTER CODE AREA.

UM, THAT'S, AS YOU MENTIONED, IT'S A LARGE NUMBER OF PARCELS.

IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO 350 THAN IT IS 400, BUT STILL THAT'S A LOT.

AND THEY HAVE VERY DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS IF YOU'RE A PROPERTY OWNER, UH, ON, ON THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR ITSELF, OR IF YOU'RE SET BACK IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS.

UM, DIFFERENT CONCERNS.

AND SO WE'RE MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE SENDING OUT THAT INFORMATION AND NOTIFYING 'EM OF THESE OPPORTUNITIES TO COME AND TALK TO US.

THE IDEA BEHIND THE MEETINGS ITSELF WAS TO GIVE THEM AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT NECESSARILY SIT IN A TWO MINUTE LIMITED ENVIRONMENT, BUT, BUT TO ACTUALLY SIT AND TALK TO THOSE THAT'LL BE THERE.

MYSELF, ANTOINE BRENNAN AND HIS TEAMMATES, BESTER AND, AND HER AND HER STAFF ALL BEING THERE TO TALK ABOUT WHETHER IT'S, HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED, WHAT THE OUTCOMES LOOK LIKE, OR WHAT THE ACTUAL SPECIFICS OF THE CHARACTER CODE BASED WOULD BE.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GAVE THEM AS MUCH OPPORTUNITY AS WE COULD TO HAVE QUESTIONS ANSWERED.

ONE-ON-ONE FACE-TO-FACE, WE'LL, WE'LL BE WORKING.

AND JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT AS WELL, WE'LL BE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF, YOU KNOW, ON THE ACTUAL NOTIFICATION, THAT IS STILL SOMETHING I THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INTERNALLY, ABOUT HOW DOES THAT GET NOTICED INTO THE NEWSPAPER, WHAT ACTUALLY GETS MAILED OUT TO THEM.

OBVIOUSLY WE DO HAVE THE PROJECT WEBSITE THAT'S OUT THERE THAT WILL HAVE THE DRAFT CODE UP AT THE TIME THAT THIS IS, UH, GOING TO BE GOING FOR, UH, PUBLIC CONSIDERATION AND, AND, AND A COUNCIL ADOPTION.

WE'RE GONNA HAVE IT UP ON THE, ON THE PROJECT WEBSITE AT THAT TIME AS WELL.

WE'RE PROBABLY GONNA, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH FACILITATING KIND OF A HOW TO GUIDE AS WELL, AND AN INFORMATIONAL, LIKE ONE PAGE OR TWO PAGE SO PEOPLE CAN FEEL COMFORTABLE AND BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT INFORMATION, WHETHER IT'S UP ON THE WEBSITE OR PART OF OUR OPEN HOUSE MEETINGS AS WELL.

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UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

UM, UM, MY, MY QUESTIONS ARE AROUND, OR SHOULD I SAY MY CONCERN IS ONLY AROUND THE FACT THAT, UH, AS I LOOKED THROUGH THERE, I DIDN'T SEE ANY TECHNOLOGY AND I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, UM, WANTED TO ASK, UH, AT SOME POINT, IS THERE GOING TO BE MORE TECHNOLOGY? ARE WE, ARE WE MOVING IN A DIRECTION OF YES, IT'S BEAUTIFYING THE AREA? YES, IT'S CREATING A NEW WALKABLE CITY, BUT TECHNOLOGY HAS GOTTA BE SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

AND I DIDN'T SEE ANY IN THE PRESENTATION TO SAY THERE'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, MAPS, SOME SIGNAGE, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE MAYBE TECHNOLOGY DRIVEN AS OPPOSED TO JUST A STANDARD MAP THAT HAS TO CONSTANTLY BE, UH, SWITCHED OUT.

AND THEN, UH, THE THING WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE ROADWAY, UH, WE'RE REDUCING IT, UH, IN THE SOUTH END TO TWO LANES AND THEN A BARRIER IN THE MIDDLE, UM, A MEDIAN IN THE MIDDLE.

AND THEN AT THE BEGINNING IT'S THREE LANES WITH A TURN LANE.

AND I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHY, WHY WOULDN'T YOU HAVE THAT THROUGHOUT? 'CAUSE IT'S ALREADY GONNA BE, IT'S ALREADY GONNA CREATE A PROBLEM REDUCING THE LANES ON HAMPTON ROAD.

UM, AND THEN TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE THAT TRANSITION FROM ONE TYPE TO THE NEXT MIGHT ACTUALLY INCREASE THE, UH, BARRIER OR CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS, I YIELD BACK.

SO I WILL ANSWER, UH, UM, IN, UH, I'LL SAY IN TWO PARTS.

'CAUSE I, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY BIGGER, YOU KNOW, QUESTION, UM, OF THE OVERALL ROAD PROJECT THAT I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT.

BUT I CAN GIVE A HIGH LEVEL PERSPECTIVE ON IT.

UH, AS IT RELATES TO THE TECHNOLOGY SIDE OF THINGS, THAT IS GONNA BE MORE FOCUSED WITHIN THE ROAD DESIGN.

SO WE ARE MAKING SURE THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS BEING PUT IN PLACE FOR FUTURE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC WIFI DOWN THE CORRIDOR, YOU KNOW, THE MONUMENTATION AND ALL THOSE OTHER ELEMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

WE'LL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO CHANGE AND, AND FLEX AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THOSE ARE GONNA BE MOST LIKELY PUT WITHIN THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT PORTION OF YOUR ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

THERE MAY BE A COUPLE ELEMENTS WITHIN PRIVATE DEVELOPMENTS WHEN IT COMES TO WAY FINDING, AND THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE, THERE'LL BE STANDARDS PUT IN THERE FOR THAT WILL COMPLIMENT THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE BEING MADE BY THE CITY WITHIN THE HAMPTON ROAD RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

THE SECOND HIGH LEVEL QUESTION, AGAIN, I'M MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK, YOU KNOW, FURTHER.

RIGHT NOW WE WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE CODE, BUT WANTED TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE ROAD IS WE, YOU KNOW, THE STREETSCAPE MASTER PLAN, WE HAD IDENTIFIED MORE, LESS INTENSIVE USES, A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TYPE OF CHARACTER DOWN ON THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF YOUR MOM AND POP SHOPS, A LITTLE BIT MORE LOWER DENSITY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ON THE SOUTHERN END.

SO WE FELT IT'D BE MORE APPLICABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A GREEN BUFFER DOWN ON THE SOUTH END AND A LITTLE BIT MORE WALKABILITY END ON THOSE SIDES.

YOU ALREADY HAVE SOME HIGH OR HIGHER DENSITY INTENSITY DEVELOPMENT.

WE'RE SITTING IN ONE OF 'EM HERE RIGHT NOW.

YOU HAVE SOME OTHER DEVELOPMENT POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES.

YOUR NORTHERN AND NORTH OF HEATH CREEK BRIDGE IS INTENDED TO BE OF A HIGHER DENSITY, HIGHER DEVELOPMENT QUALITY.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, AND JUST SOME OF THE CONFLICTIONS WITH SOME OF THE DRIVEWAYS AND EXISTING ROADWAY NETWORKS THAT ARE HERE AS WELL, WE FELT IT WAS BETTER TO DO A CENTER TURN, A DEDICATED CENTER TURN LANE HERE, UH, ALONG THAT END BECAUSE YOU HAVE MORE ROADWAYS AND OTHER CONFLICTS TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS PART OF THE ROAD DESIGN INSTEAD OF COMPLETELY CLOSING OFF WITH THE, A GREEN MEETING IN LIMITED ACCESS ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

IN ADDITION, THE NORTHERN END ALSO DOES HAVE ON STREET PARK, AND THAT IS SUPPORTING SOME OF THAT AS WELL.

YEAH, AND I'LL MENTION AS WELL, THIS IS GOING BACK NOW, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF OR TWO YEARS AGO OR SO, BUT WE HAD, UM, A FEW SESSIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THOSE OPTIONS LOOKED LIKE, RIGHT? ONE LANE WITH THE TURN LANE, ONE LANE WITH THE KIND OF THAT THIRD LANE IN THE MIDDLE PERMANENTLY.

UH, WE, WE, WE HAD ONE OPTION WHERE IT WAS THAT WAY ALL THE WAY DOWN THE ROAD AND ONE WHERE ANOTHER, UM, FOR IT.

AND WE KIND OF WENT BACK AND FORTH AND ULTIMATELY, AS, AS BRENNAN WAS SAYING, KIND OF UNDERSTANDING THE CHARACTER OF EACH AREA AND WHICH ROADWAY APPLIED BEST TO THAT CHARACTER SEEMED TO BE, UH, THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE, UM, DIRECTED TO AT THAT POINT, BEGAN DESIGNING THE ROADWAY ON THAT.

SO IT, UM, THERE, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONVERSATION AROUND WHAT IS THE EXACT WAY THAT THIS ROAD SHOULD LOOK, UM, FOR IT.

AND ULTIMATELY IT WAS KIND OF BASED ON THE CHARACTER OF WHAT WAS GONNA BE DEVELOPING AROUND IT WOULD BE THE BEST WAY TO, UM, TO DESIGN A, A, YOU KNOW, A DEDICATED TURN LANE OR ONE THAT WAS KIND OF MORE MEDIAN BASED.

UH, COUNCILWOMAN RAPHAEL, YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.

CREATED AS PART OF THE IMPLEMENT, OR I'LL SAY THE IMPLEMENTATION, BUT THE FINAL DOCUMENT, KIND OF A DEDICATED PDF, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE, THAT CAN BE HOUSED ON THE WEBSITE AND, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED AS A, A HANDOUT TO DEVELOPERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

UH, WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WILL THE CHARACTER BASED CODE LIVE, UM, PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE WHO, WHO MAY BE DOING REDEVELOPMENT.

SO THEY MAY NOT COME TO THE CITY OR FOR ANY INSTANCE WHERE, UH, A SOMEBODY'S MAYBE'S MOVING INTO A SPACE.

SO WHERE DOES THAT PART ACTUALLY LIVE AS IT RELATES TO CHARACTER BASED CODES OTHER THAN DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES? YES, THIS WILL BE, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF ON THAT.

CURRENTLY, THIS WILL SIT AS A DEDICATED SECTION OR DO OR ARTICLE WITHIN YOUR EXISTING ZONING CODE, BUT IT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY ESTABLISHED SET FOR THE HAMPTON ROAD CORRIDOR.

UM, WE WILL BE

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BUT FOR, FROM A CODIFYING STANDPOINT, IT WILL BE A DEDICATED ARTICLE WITHIN YOUR EXISTING ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS, I WANNA SAY 23 OR 26.

I'M RUNNING DIFFERENT NUMBERS IN MY HEAD RIGHT NOW.

AND SO AS IT RELATES TO THOSE WHO MOVE INTO OUR COMMUNITY, THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY, THEY MAY NOT NEED TO LOOK AT THAT CODE OR GO TO DEVELOPMENTAL SERVICES.

YOU WORK WITH STAFF IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT SHOULD LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, INTERNALLY IN OUR PROCESSES? IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? SO WHEN A, WHEN A DEVELOPER COMES IN, SO, NO, I'M, NO, I'M SORRY IF IT'S NOT A DEVELOPER.

SO IF IT'S OKAY FOR SOME OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD TECHNICALLY BE NON-CONFORMING USE.

AND SO I GUESS MAYBE PROCEDURALLY I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR PROCESS WOULD BE, AND MAYBE THAT'S MORE DIRECTED TO STAFF.

SO I'LL LEAVE THAT AS A COMMENT.

I ONLY HAVE A FEW SECONDS.

AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS, HOW DO WE LAND ON THE NAME SOHA? AND, UM, AS IT RELATES TO, AS IT RELATES TO THE ADDITIONAL ROADS, UM, WITHIN THE AREA.

I, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT WAS.

I UNDERSTOOD WHY YOU WOULD DO THAT, BUT HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE FEASIBILITY OF THAT? IS IT THAT SOMEONE'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, TAKING ON A LARGE PARCEL, INSTALLING THOSE ROADS? OR IS IT THAT CITY NEEDS TO COME IN TO DO ALL THAT WORK? YEAH, SO WHEN YOU, UH, I'LL START WITH YOUR LATTER QUESTION FIRST.

UH, WITH THE ROADWAYS, ANY TYPE OF DEDICATED, BECAUSE THIS IS SUCH A FOCUSED AREA, AND WE ARE, AND WE ARE CREATING WHAT IS CALLED A REGULATING PLAN.

THIS IS SPECIFICALLY REGULATING THE PROPERTIES WITH THE ZONING DISTRICTS, BUT ALSO YOUR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY, UH, NETWORK AS WELL AS PART OF THE CORRIDOR.

SO, UM, YOU'D, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU DO HAVE ON A, ON A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU WOULD HAVE A FUTURE, UH, OR A THOROUGHFARE PLAN THAT WOULD IDENTIFY PRIOR YOUR PRIMARY AND SECONDARY STREETS.

BUT BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT WE ARE FORMULATING THE LOT AND BLOCK STANDARDS ALONG THE CORRIDOR AND THE DEPTH AND SIZES OF BUILDINGS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SECONDARY NETWORKS TO BE ABLE TO DEVELOP SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES.

SO AS PART OF THE CODE, WE'RE IDENTIFYING WHERE SOME OF THOSE ROAD ENHANCEMENTS EXTENSIONS MAY NEED TO BE, OR FUTURE ROADS WOULD NEED WOULD BE REQUIRED.

AGAIN, FOR TWOFOLD.

ONE FOR DEVELOPMENT OF THE OVERALL THE PARCELS TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE CAN GO FROM ONE PARCEL TO ANOTHER, BUT ALSO BECAUSE OF THE REDUCTION IN SOME OF THE LANES, WE FELT HAVING AN ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK WAS GONNA BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO SUPPORT THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

SO SOHA , UH, WE, THAT WAS A PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH OVER A YEAR AGO THAT WE PRESENTED SEVERAL DIFFERENT OPTIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND WE LANDED ON THE SOHA SOUTH HAMPTON, BUT WE CALLED IT THE SOHA DISTRICT.

YES, WE DID.

SURE DID.

YES, WE DID.

EVERYBODY RECEIVED A SURVEY.

UM, WE SENT FEEDBACK MULTIPLE TIMES, AND IT WAS, WAS A DECISION THAT WE ALL MADE TOGETHER AS A COUNCIL.

AND I LIVE ON HAMPTON ROAD, UM, TO ANSWER THE QUE I MEAN, BY ADOPTING THE CODE AND DOING THE PROACTIVE REZONE, IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT TOMORROW WE'RE GONNA, THAT YOU AS A CITY IS GONNA BE GOING OUT AND REQUIRING ALL HOMEOWNERS TO HAVE THE SAME COLOR.

COUNCIL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? A QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

WE DON'T ALLOW TO SPEAK OUT.

UM, AT THIS TIME IT'S FOR OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AT THIS TIME, WE HAVE, UM, TIME ALLOTTED IN OUR MEETINGS, UM, ON TOMORROW FOR INDIVIDUALS.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR YOU WANNA HAVE COMMENTS, UM, WE DO ALLOW FOR THAT.

BUT TONIGHT IS NOT, UH, RIGHT NOW IS NOT THE TIME FOR, FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IF YOU WANNA SUBMIT SOMETHING, YOU CAN EVEN SPEAK TO OUR CITY SECRETARY AND SHE CAN HAVE, UM, IF YOU WANNA SUBMIT WRITTEN COMMENTS, UM, OR GIVE MORE INFORMATION ON HOW YOU CAN SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, SHE CAN ASSIST YOU.

MS. THOMAS, CAN YOU LIFT YOUR HAND AGAIN? THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

ARE THERE QUESTIONS? MS. CHISEL? UH, THANK YOU, MAYOR.

UM, I, I, I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

SO I UNDERSTAND THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE, THE CHARACTER CODE FOR, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF A BUSINESS OWNER, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS WAS DRIVEN BY MOST RECENT ACTIVITY ON OUR HAMPTON ROAD, AND THEN VOILA, THE LIGHT BULBS WENT OFF.

WHAT MY CONCERN IS FROM A HOMEOWNER'S PERSPECTIVE, JUST ME AS A HOMEOWNER, IF I LIVE DOWN HAMPTON ROAD AND LET'S SAY MY, UM, THE COLORS OF MY PROPERTY AND MY HOME DO NOT MEET THE CURRENT CHARACTER CODE, ARE WE AS A CITY SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A PUBLIC HEARING TO LET YOU KNOW THIS IS THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE MOVING IN.

AND THEN ONCE THAT LAW THAT IS CODIFIED WITHIN OUR, UH, ZONING, THEN YOU ARE THEN OUT OF, I GUESS FOR LACK OF BETTER WORDS, YOU ARE OUT OF ORDER AND YOU NEED TO CORRECT THE, YOUR PROPERTY AT THAT POINT.

IS THAT WHAT, IN THE SENSE OF MAKING THIS INTO, UM, OUR CURRENT ZONING WOULD DO FROM A HOMEOWNER'S PERSPECTIVE, IF I'M AT HOME WATCHING THIS

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THIS ONLY, THIS ONLY TRIGGERS WHEN YOU HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN.

AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WE HAVE A SCALABILITY IN HERE.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE PROACTIVE REZONE OF THE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY, THERE MAY BE SOME PROPERTIES THAT BECOME NON-CONFORMING, UH, BUT THE COLOR PAL WAS A KEY PIECE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED, UH, 'CAUSE OF A, ANOTHER APPLICATION HERE, UH, WITHIN THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD A UNIFORM VISION ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

SO AGAIN, CERTAIN ELEMENTS AND CERTAIN TIMES ARE GONNA REQUIRE, YES, PROPER DONORS THAT MAY HAVE TO UPDATE OR AMEND, YOU KNOW, THE COLOR OF THEIR BUILDINGS.

BUT THAT WOULD BE TRIGGERED PROBABLY AT A LARGER, MORE SUBSTANTIAL TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT PRACTICE.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF SOMEONE BLOWS A WATER HEATER, FLOODS A BUILDING, NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA, IT WOULDN'T BE REQUIRING THEM TO HAVE TO UPDATE IT.

BUT IF THEY'RE DOING SIGNIFICANT MODIFICATIONS OF THEIR BUILDING OUTSIDE THEY'RE DOING IN ADDITION, THEN YES.

THAT AT THAT TIME, MOST LIKELY SOME REQUIREMENT OF, UM, MOVING TOWARDS THE COLOR PATH THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED FOR THE CORRIDOR WOULD BE REQUIRED.

AND THOSE WILL ALL BE REQUIRED TO BE ADDRESSED IN, IN THE CODE ITSELF AS FAR AS WHAT DEEMED TO BE ILLEGAL NONCONFORMING USE.

SO THAT EVERYBODY WILL KNOW ONCE THAT'S ADOPTED.

AND AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF THIS IS THAT APPLICABILITY CHART, UM, FOR WHEN IT IS THAT IT TRIGGERS THAT FOR YOUR PROPERTY AND THAT, BECAUSE THAT'LL BE A KEY QUESTION THAT A LOT, A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE.

, WHEN DOES THIS APPLY, UM, FOR THAT.

AND SO THAT, THAT THAT ELEMENT WILL BE KIND OF FRONT AND CENTER IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE BUSINESS OWNERS ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.

AND, AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, TO, TO BE FAIR, WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH ALL THOSE, THAT SECTION OF THE APPLICABILITY, THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE, THE KEY PIECES THAT WE'RE NONCONFORMING COLOR PALETTES, SOME OTHER ELEMENTS OF, AGAIN, WE WANT THIS TO BE, WE WANT TO BE A PREDICTABLE BUILT ENVIRONMENT, BUT WE ALSO WANT THIS TO BE FAIR TO ALL THE PRO, YOU KNOW, EXISTING PROPERTY OWNERS DOWN THERE, PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT'S GONNA LEAD A LOT OF THIS, NO DOUBT.

BUT AGAIN, YOU STILL DO HAVE EXISTING BUSINESS OWNERS AND HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE AS WELL.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN RICH CHISM.

COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO OUR, OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? OKAY.

HEARING NONE.

UH, DO YOU WANT TO GET A, GET OUR RESPONSES FOR THE CITY MANAGER OR YOU GONNA COME BACK AT THE END? RESPONSES FOR THE CITY MANAGER? MM-HMM.

IN TERMS OF WHAT HE MENTIONED IN HIS INDIRECTION, I, I ASSUME THAT EVERYBODY WAS PROVIDING THAT, UM, IN TERMS OF THEIR COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS WHEN THEY SPOKE.

I'M SORRY.

I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT.

UM, IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINE, I THINK THAT WAS WHAT, THAT WAS.

THE QUESTION ON THE FLOOR WAS ABOUT THE TIMELINE OF IT, JUST KIND OF WHAT I, IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BREATHE A LITTLE BIT AND SO I I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF PUSHING IT, UM, OUT TWO WEEKS AND MAYBE STRETCH THOSE YOU HAVE TWO MEETINGS INSIDE OF THE SAME WEEK, UM, AND MAYBE STRETCH THOSE MEETINGS OUT TO GIVE THAT PART A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO BREATHE.

AGAIN, THE NORTH END HEATH CREEK TOWARDS PLEASANT RUN HERE, THERE WILL BE SOME ON STREET PARKING.

UM, WE'LL HEAR FROM OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSIONER, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR, UM, YOUR COMMISSION.

I FEEL LIKE A CITIZEN TONIGHT.

GOOD.

UH, EVENING EVERYONE.

UM, I LOVE SEEING THE PROPOSED DENSITY, UM, THAT IT'S INTENTIONAL AND NOT JUST HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.

I LOVE TO SEE IT'S AN INTENTIONAL PLAN THAT FOCUSES ON DENSITY IN A SPECIFIC AREA, UH, THAT CREATES WALKABILITY WHERE CITIZENS CAN ACTUALLY MEET UP AND HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING SPACE FOR COFFEE COCKTAILS CONVERSATION.

SO I REALLY LIKE THE PLAN.

UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE, THE, UH, STREETSCAPE SLIDE, IF YOU CAN PULL THAT UP.

I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE CROSS SECTION, UM, FOR, THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SAYS PEDESTRIAN ZONE, BUT IT ACTUALLY SHOWS PARKING.

AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT CLARIFICATION IS MADE.

I CAN, I CAN MAKE THE, I KNOW WHICH ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

YEP.

SO ON THE, YES, SO ON, ON THE NORTH END, THERE IS AN AREA THAT'S IDENTIFIED AS A 13 FOOT ZONE RIGHT NOW.

THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME AREAS THAT'LL HAVE ON STREET PARKING AND THERE'LL BE SOME AREAS THAT'LL HAVE A BUMP OUT OR EXTENDED GREEN SPACE ALONG THAT AREA.

AS PART OF THE STREET OR AS PART OF THE ROAD DESIGN.

WE ARE STILL WORKING THROUGH DRIVE SOME DRIVEWAY CLOSURES AND WHERE THOSE MAY OR MAY NOT BE ALONG THE CORRIDOR.

SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE CREATED, JUST IDENTIFIED THAT AS A BUFFER ZONE RIGHT NOW.

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IT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED ALONG THE AREA.

AND AGAIN, WHERE PARKING CANNOT FIT IN ALONG THAT CORRIDOR.

IT'LL BE BUMPED OUT, UH, LANDSCAPING AREAS.

I JUST WANNA PROPOSE THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CONSIDER, UH, SOME HIDDEN OR BACKEND PARKING, BECAUSE IF WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A VERY DENSE AREA, WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE VISITING THIS AREA.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS.

ALRIGHT, COMMISSIONERS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MR. RGA? YES, GOOD EVENING.

I WAS JUST WONDERING, DID YOU ALL CONSIDER A WEEKEND MEETING? YOU HAVE BOTH OF YOUR BUSINESS AND HOMEOWNERS MEETING DURING THE WEEK.

SOME PEOPLE MAY BE WORKING AND WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A FACE TO FACE, WOULD YOU CONSIDER A SATURDAY? UH, WE'RE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK WITH STAFF ABOUT AN ALTERNATIVE, UM, PLAN, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE, FOR THOSE MEETINGS, IF THAT IS A CONSENSUS, THAT MIGHT BE WHERE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK.

UH, AGAIN, WE, WE HAD EXTENDED IT OBVIOUSLY FROM EARLY IN THE DAY TO LATE AT NIGHT THINKING THAT WE COULD TRY TO GET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE DURING A, DURING A A WEEK TIME PERIOD, UM, OR A DAYTIME PERIOD.

BUT WE'RE OPEN TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF IF THAT IS, UH, I WOULD SAY THE DIRECTION OR CONSIDERATION THAT WE SHOULD, THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SEEING NONE, MADAM MAYOR, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE AT THIS TIME.

UH, MR. PUGH.

UM, SO COUNSEL, AT THIS TIME WE WILL, UM, HAVING HEARD FROM OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION, SO WE, WE CAN, UM, WRAP THIS UP AND GIVE CLAPS STAFF SOME CLEAR DIRECTION ON THE, UM, ON THE, IF THERE, IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS THAT WE SEE OR ANYTHING WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION, THE MODIFICATION.

UM, I ECHO, UH, MR. RENELL'S SENTIMENTS, UM, IN REGARD TO POSSIBLY CREATING SOME ADDITIONAL TIMES IN TERMS OF A WEEKEND MEETING, JUST CONSIDERING THE AMOUNT OF FOLKS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO REACH AND TRY TO HEAR FROM.

UM, AND SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

BUT COUNSEL, CAN WE QUICKLY KIND OF GIVE CONSENSUS IF THERE IS, I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL MENTIONED POSSIBLY SPREADING THE MEETINGS OUT, HOWEVER, WE KNOW WE NEED CONSENSUS AROUND THAT AS WELL BEFORE, UM, WE MAKE CHANGES TO THAT DEGREE.

COUNSEL, I'LL START AT THE END WITH MAYOR PRO TEM.

THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR, I'M GOOD WITH, UH, IF YOU CAN ADD SOME MEETINGS AND I'D LIKE TO KEEP 'EM TOGETHER.

THAT WAY THEY'RE FRESH ON EVERYBODY'S MIND AND REPETITIVE AND IF SOMEONE CAN'T MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN COME AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE TO THE NEXT GREAT PRESENTATION.

I LIKE THE IDEA THAT COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL EXPRESSED WITH SPREADING IT OUT A LITTLE BIT.

UM, AND THEN ALSO OFFERING A WEEKEND IF AVAILABLE.

TOGETHER, SPREAD OUT.

I CONCUR WITH THE, UH, WEEKEND.

WHAT ABOUT, UM, THE ADDITIONAL TWO MEETINGS TOGETHER OR, UM, SPACING THEM OUT? SPACING IS FINE.

THANK, OKAY, THANK YOU.

UM, I AM OKAY WITH, UH, WELL, OBVIOUSLY A WEEKEND MEETING, HOWEVER, UM, I'M, I'M FINE WITH EITHER OR.

SO WE CAN SPREAD THEM OUT IF THAT'S, IF THAT'S THE WISH OF THE COUNCIL.

UH, COUNCILMAN BUR, THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.

I AM, I, I, I LIKE THE IDEA FOR THE WEEKEND MEETING.

UM, I, I CONCUR WITH MAYOR PRO TEM.

I THINK THAT HAVING THEM HAVING A WEEKEND MEETING IS IMPORTANT, BUT HAVING THEM IN THE SAME WEEK, IS IT KEEPING THEM CLOSE TOGETHER, UM, PUTS IT ON PEOPLE'S MIND RATHER THAN HAVING THEM SPREAD OUT.

SO I LIKE 'EM TOGETHER.

COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL, UH, SAFE TO SAY THAT YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF SPREADING THEM OUT? YEAH.

SPREADING OUT AND HAVING A WEEKEND MEETING.

COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER.

I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, SPREADING IT OUT, UH, AND ALSO A WEEKEND MEETING.

SO PULLING THE SCHEDULE UP DOESN'T WORK.

UM, WELL, YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.

UM, ARE YOU JUST, SO BY, BY SPREADING IT OUT, WE WILL BE PUSHING THE SCHEDULE BACK A LITTLE BIT.

SO INSTEAD OF KIND OF APPROVALS IN, UH, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE RIGHT NOW? APRIL AND MAY, OR I'M SORRY, MARCH.

FEBRUARY AND MARCH.

IT'LL LIKELY BE MARCH, APRIL, UH, TIMELINE, UH, ON THAT, WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT HOW IT IS THAT WE, WE GET THAT PART LINED UP.

WELL, WHAT IS THE SPREAD THOUGH, RIGHT? WHAT WILL BE THE SPREAD? I DON'T KNOW IF IT, IF WE HAVE TO DELAY IT THAT DRASTICALLY.

I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT OF SPREADING THE MEETINGS OUT.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS TO BE THAT DRASTIC.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER PARK, THE, UM, AND THANK YOU MADAM MINUTE.

UH, THE, THE SPREAD OUT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE OPPOSITE WAY.

IT COULD BE THE OTHER WAY, PULLING IT IN, HAVING ONE MEETING EARLIER THAN YOU HAVE THE ONE THAT'S ALREADY SET, OR THE DATES THAT ARE ALREADY SET AND YOU STAY ON THE SAME TIMELINE.

YEAH, BUT YOU, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO GO EARLIER.

OH, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO.

NO, NO.

WE NEED TO GET THE NOTICES OUT.

WE NEED TO GET PROPERTIES DONE.

WE, WE'VE GOTTA GET A LOT OF WORK DONE BEFORE THE END OF JANUARY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

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WE, WE NEED TO BE PUSHING IT ON THE OTHER END.

SO WHAT IS, BECAUSE I'M, I'M KIND OF THE WILD CARD HERE.

SO WHAT IS THE, WHAT IS THE IMPLICATIONS OF SPREADING IT OUT THAT WOULD NOT IMPACT THE CURRENT SCHEDULE? SO THE, THE REALLY, IF FROM THE SPREADING IT OUT STANDPOINT, WE WERE TARGETING TO HAVE THAT FIRST WEEKEND IN, OR THAT FIRST MEETING IN MARCH AS, AS THE APPROVAL FROM THE COUNCIL.

UM, IDEALLY WE'D BE ABLE TO SPREAD THAT OUT PERHAPS EVEN EARLIER IN THAT, THAT PRIOR WEEK OR THE FOLLOWING WEEK, EARLY IN THAT FOLLOWING WEEK.

AND THAT WOULD GIVE US A SPREAD INTO TWO WEEKS.

UH, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GONNA ADD A WEEKEND ANYWAY, THAT MAY BE A WAY TO DO THAT AND STILL MAINTAIN THE DATES IN FEBRUARY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HEARING APPROVAL ON THE 13TH.

AND THEN, UH, WITH CITY COUNCIL ON THE FIFTH, I GUESS WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS BE TO TAKE, TAKE A MINUTE TO TAKE SOME TIME WITH OUR, OUR, OUR FOLKS IN DEVELOPMENT SERVICES TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS, WE'VE GOT NOTIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO LIVE UP TO MAILINGS THAT HAVE TO BE DONE.

WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT IMPINGING ON THOSE ABIL ON THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

UM, AND THEN WE'LL GET SOME DATES BACK TO YOU.

THAT WOULD BE, UH, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE ANYTHING THAT WOULD NOT CAUSE UNNECESSARY DELAYS TO THE, TO THE TIMELINE.

UNDERSTOOD.

SO, SO MAYBE THEN OUR, OUR TAKEAWAY FROM THAT IS THAT WE'LL SPREAD THEM OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITHOUT IMPACTING THE TIMELINE.

THE TIMELINE IS, IS THAT, IS THAT WHERE THE COUNCIL WANTS TO BE ON, ON, ON THAT? IS THAT, I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT.

WE'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE IT.

WE COMMIT TO A, A THIRD MEETING, UH, A WEEKEND MEETING PROBABLY THAT WEEK AND THEN MAYBE THE FOLLOWING WEEK.

SO STILL FITS WITHIN THE TIMELINE, STILL ALLOWS US THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU ALL BEFORE IT GOES IN FRONT OF P AND Z ON THE 13TH OF FEBRUARY.

SO WE'LL BE OKAY.

AND I, WHAT'S THE CRITICAL, UM, WHAT IS THE CRITICAL ISSUE IF THE MEETINGS WERE THE APPROVALS WAS PUSHED OUT TO THE NEXT MEETING, IS THERE A, ARE WE RUNNING AGAINST RACING AGAINST TIME ON SOMETHING? IS THERE SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF? NO, NOTHING IN PARTICULAR OTHER THAN WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT MOMENTUM.

TRYING TO KEEP MOMENTUM.

AND, AND IF WE CAN FIT THE, IF WE CAN SPREAD THE MEETINGS OUT AND NOT IMPACT THE TIMELINE, THAT WOULD BE OUR RECORD.

UM, COUNCIL, IF THERE ARE NO COMMENTS, YES, COUNCIL, MADAM MAYOR, CAN I SPEAK TO THIS? I'M EXCITED ABOUT THE ER CHARACTER CODE SIMPLY BECAUSE THE ISSUE THAT WE HAD WITH THE VERY, UH, COLORFUL BUILDING, UM, HAD WE ADOPTED SOMETHING EVEN, UH, GENERALLY, UM, THAT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN WORKED.

IS THAT A CORRECT STATEMENT? THAT WOULD'VE BEEN, UH, THAT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SUCH A PROBLEM.

AND SO AS PEOPLE, AS THE RESIDENTS OR, UH, ENTREPRENEURS OR BUSINESS HERE THAT WE'RE DOING SOME THINGS, THEY MIGHT TAKE THE ADVANTAGE.

SO I THAT'S, I, I APPRECIATE AND I APPLAUD THE MOVE TO MOVE, UH, QUICKLY SO THAT THE, UH, PUBLIC CAN HEAR AND CAN KNOW, HOWEVER, ALSO TO PROTECT SO WE DON'T END UP IN A SIM SIMILAR SITUATION.

SO THANK YOU.

UM, AT THIS TIME WE WILL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, PLEASE.

UM, DO WE HAVE, DO YOU ALL HAVE WHAT YOU ALL NEED FROM US TO MOVE FORWARD IN REGARDS TO, UH, COUNCIL'S DESIRES ON THAT? ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

[5. Adjournment of Special Joint Work Session Reconvene into the Special Work Session of the City Council]

UM, WELL, NO, THAT LOOKS LIKE WE NEED TO ADJOURN OUR SPECIAL WORK SESSION.

JUST P YES.

P AND Z YES.

COMMISSIONERS.

THE TIME IS NOW 7:39 PM IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS SPECIAL MEETING? THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MEETING? I SEE A BY MS. CAESAR.

IT IS BEEN MOVED, SECONDED BY MR. BELL.

ALL IN FAVOR SAY GOOD NIGHT.

GOOD NIGHT.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

YOU ALL HAVE A, A GREAT NIGHT AND A HAPPY THANKSGIVING.

THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE, AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR COMMENTS

[7. Presentation and discussion of the budget reconciliation for the design drawing phase of the McCowan Aquatic and Recreation Center project]

AT THIS TIME, MS. THOMAS, WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

GOOD EVENING, MR. GLOVER.

NEXT WE MOVE INTO OUR, BACK INTO OUR SPECIAL WORK SESSION.

WE HAVE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE BUDGET RECONCILIATION FOR THE DESIGN DRAWING PHASE OF THE MCOWEN AQUATIC AND RECREATION CENTER PROJECT.

MAKING THAT PRESENTATION IS CHRIS GLOVER, PARTS DIRECTOR.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR.

CITY COUNCIL.

WANNA ASK SPECIFIC QUESTION? OH, OKAY.

THEY'RE NOT TALKING TO ME.

UM, THIS PROJECT IS REALLY GAINING A LOT OF SYNERGY AND IT'S, UH, REALLY GETTING EXCITING TO, TO SEE IT ALL COME, TO COME TOGETHER LIKE IT'S COMING TOGETHER.

UM, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE BUDGET RECONCILIATION BEFORE I SIT DOWN AND LET, UH, QUENTIN COME UP AND GO THROUGH THE DETAILS OF IT.

BUT, UH, I ALSO HANDED YOU ALL A, UH, AN EMAIL WE WE RECEIVED TODAY FROM MANHATTAN.

AND, UH, WE ARE JUST SO EXCITED ABOUT THIS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT 68% OF, UH, MWBE PARTICIPATION.

UH, ORIGINALLY OUR, UH, OUR GOAL WAS A MINIMUM OF 30%.

AND SO THE EFFORT

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THAT, UH, MANHATTAN HAS PUT FORTH TO REALLY, UH, BOOSTER THOSE NUMBERS IS, UH, REALLY EXCITING TO US AS WELL.

UH, I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK SIDNEY, SIDNEY ELLIOT, CHASE ELLIS AND ROD TURNER.

UH, THEY CREATED AN INITIATIVE WHERE WE ACTUALLY CONTACTED THE CHAMBER.

UH, MATT WAS ALSO, MATT SMITH WAS ALSO INSTRUMENTAL IN, UH, GETTING THE WORD OUT TO MW B'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, FINANCE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES AND DESOTO ISD.

SO, UH, WHEN WE REALLY FOCUSED ON TRYING TO GET EVERYBODY INVOLVED AND TO SEE, UH, HOW THIS IS TURNING OUT SO FAR HAS REALLY BEEN, UH, A JOY FOR US TO WATCH.

UM, LET'S SEE NOW WHY WE, WE ARE REALLY HERE IS FOR, UM, OUR PRESENTATION AND THE DESIGN AND OVERALL PROJECT BUDGET FOR THE AQUATICS AND RECREATION CENTER, UH, ARE BEING PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND FEEDBACK PURPOSES ONLY BASED ON COUNCIL FEEDBACK.

STAFF WILL ENTER INTO AND BEGIN THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWING PHASE.

UH, AFTER THIS IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE GO THROUGH OUR, OUR CONVERSATION TONIGHT.

AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M GONNA BRING UP MR. QUENTIN SMITH FROM, UH, INTEGRATED PROJECT SOLUTIONS TO GO THROUGH OUR PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, SIR.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR.

GOOD EVENING COUNSEL.

UM, TO TODAY IS DEFINITELY A, A, A MUCH BETTER TIME TO BE HERE THAN THE LAST TIME.

SO, UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, WHEN WE WERE HERE THE LAST TIME WE'RE PRESENTING ON THE PROJECT WHERE IT WAS OVER BUDGET, WE HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS REDESIGN EFFORT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NO ONE EVER WANTS TO DO.

AND SO WE HELD VERY TIGHT TO A COUPLE OF PRINCIPLES THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WERE HELD TO.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE DIDN'T WANNA LOSE SQUARE FOOTAGE, WE DIDN'T WANNA LOSE PROGRAM AND WE DIDN'T WANNA LOSE THE CHARACTER OF WHAT THIS PROJECT HAD.

AND SO WHEN YOU PUT THOSE KIND OF CONSTRAINTS ON A PROJECT WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE BUDGET TO REDUCE THE BUDGET, THAT BRINGS SOME CHALLENGES.

BUT I COULD SAY THAT THE COLLABORATION THAT OUR TEAMS HAD WORKING TOGETHER, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT.

SO I FEEL CONFIDENT, YOU KNOW, SHARING WHAT WE'RE GONNA SHARE TODAY AND MOVING FORWARD TO THE NEXT PHASE OF THE DESIGN PROCESS.

SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST ITEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THE, THE FIRST GO ROUND IS HOW DO WE CHANGE THIS? HOW DO WE REDUCE THE BUDGET WITHOUT REDUCING THE PROJECT? AND SO THE FIRST THING WE WANTED TO DO WAS LOOK AT THE EXTERIOR FROM THE, UM, THE, THE, THE MATERIALS THAT WERE BEING UTILIZED.

SO I SPOKE LAST TIME, INSTEAD OF GOING FROM A MORE CONSTRUCTION OR A CMU TYPE MATERIAL TO A, UH, MORE OF A, UH, PRECAST TILT WALL CONSTRUCTION, REDUCING GLAZING, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACHIEVE THOSE THINGS BUT STILL KEEPING THE ESSENCE OF WHAT THE BUILDING LOOKED LIKE.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU REMEMBER THE PREVIOUS DESIGN, IT HAD THIS, YOU KNOW, BUTTERFLY SHAPE.

THERE'S A LOT OF GLAZING, A LOT OF CMU AND WE'RE STILL ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT SAME EFFECT.

SO SQUARE FOOTAGE HASN'T CHANGED.

WE'VE REDUCED SOME OF OUR STRUCTURAL NEEDS BY BRINGING THE BUILDING IN.

SO IF YOU RECALL FROM THE PREVIOUS DESIGN WHERE THE ENTRYWAY IS, IT WAS A LOT WIDER.

AND SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BRING THAT IN, MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A NARROW ENTRY AND THEN BASICALLY STRETCH IT ALONG, WHICH I'LL SHARE THROUGHOUT, WHICH WE'LL CALL IN THE SPINE OF THE BUILDING NOW.

SO AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE EXTERIOR LOOK, UH, YOU CAN SEE THAT ON THE, UH, WELL, WHICH IS ACTUALLY THE NORTHWEST SIDE WHERE THOSE FOUR TALL WALLS ARE, UM, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, WALLS THAT WE HAVE IN THERE.

SO WE REDUCE SOME OF THE G GLAZING AS WE TALKED ABOUT.

BUT YOU CAN SEE FROM THAT VIEW RIGHT THERE, THAT MAIN VIEW INTO THE POOL AREA, THE AQUATIC CENTER, ALL THE GLAZING IS STILL THERE.

SO WE GAVE THAT SAME EFFECT THAT WE WERE GOING FOR AND ACHIEVING THROUGHOUT THAT DESIGN.

SO THERE'S ANOTHER SNAPSHOT OF THAT.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO ADHERE TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN AS BEST WE COULD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.

SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS ON THE EXTERIOR THAT YOU CAN SEE.

JUST A COUPLE OF CHANGES THERE.

UM, SO SOME OF THE STUFF ON THE INTERIOR HASN'T CHANGED MUCH.

SOME OF THE MATERIALS CHANGED, BUT SOME OF THE LOOK IS STILL GONNA BE THE SAME.

SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHANGES ON THE INTERIORS I MENTIONED WAS WHAT WE CALL THE COMMUNITY HUB SPACE.

SO THAT ORIGINALLY WAS A MUCH WIDER SPACE.

UM, IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE IT WAS A, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A LOT OF CONGREGATING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT WAS ALSO SOMETHING AS WE DISCUSSED IT, POTENTIAL PROBLEM, UH, WITH HAVING A LOT OF PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO HANG OUT AND GATHER IN THAT SPACE BEFORE THEY ACTUALLY MOVED INTO THE SPACE ITSELF AND WENT THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, CHECKED IN AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT SPACE HAS NOW CHANGED FROM BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, A, A SMALLER CENTRAL CHECK-IN LOCATION, UH, WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE LESS PEOPLE THERE.

SO THIS IS KIND OF A LOOK AT THE FIRST IMPRESSION AS YOU'RE COMING INTO THE FACILITY, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT VIEW RIGHT THERE NOW, YOU CAN SEE ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE BUILDING.

AND SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ORIGINALLY WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS DESIGN.

AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE CALL IN THAT CENTRAL SPINE.

SO NOW INSTEAD OF EVERYONE BEING ABLE TO CONGREGATE AT THE BE, UH,

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ENTRANCE OF THE BUILDING, ONCE YOU GET THROUGH, THERE'S A SPACES FOR EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO HANG OUT.

NOW YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE INSIDE THE AQUATIC SIDE WITHOUT ACTUALLY HAVING TO GO IN THERE.

SO IT BRINGS A WAY TO BE ABLE TO VISUALIZE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, UM, IMPEDING OR IMPACTING, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENT MEETS OR WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE GOING ON.

SO A MUCH MORE, UM, WAY TO, TO EXPRESS THE BUILDING, TO BE ABLE TO COLLABORATE, TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE IN A BETTER WAY THAN WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY.

SO THESE ARE JUST SOME MORE LOOKS AT THAT.

SO NOW YOU ALSO HAVE MORE OF A, A GATHERING SPACE, IF YOU WILL, IN BETWEEN WHEN EVENTS ARE HAPPENING.

SO INSTEAD OF PEOPLE KIND OF WANDERING AROUND LOOKING FOR PLACES TO GO AND HANG OUT, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN EVENTS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A SPACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND CONGREGATE NOW AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY IN THE MAIN DESIGN.

SO AS FAR AS OUR FITNESS AND WEIGHT CENTER GOES, THAT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH THE SAME AS WE HAD, UH, THE LAST GO ROUND.

NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED THERE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN REDUCE MAYBE SOME OF THE TREADMILLS AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE HAVE? 'CAUSE IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF OVERKILL OF WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT ALL OF THAT'S STILL INTACT.

UM, A LOT OF OUR TURF AREA WHERE WE CAN HAVE OUR FUNCTIONAL FITNESS GOING ON, THAT'S ALL STILL INTACT AS WELL.

AND THEN THE, THE LEISURE POOL AND AS WELL AS OUR COMPETITION POOL, THOSE THINGS HAVEN'T CHANGED.

SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE SOME, SOME THINGS THAT ARE VERY KEY TO THIS PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THROUGHOUT THIS ENTIRE REDESIGN EFFORT.

SO AS FAR AS THE COURTS GO, UM, NOTHING'S REALLY CHANGED THERE.

FITNESS STUDIO, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO SOME GREAT THINGS TO KEEP THAT IN PLACE, HAVE SOME GREAT VIEWS WITH IT BEING UP THERE ON THE SECOND FLOOR, LOOKING OUT.

AND, UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE, THE LOOKS AND FEELS OF HOW THE PROJECT HAS KEPT THAT ESSENCE OF THE DESIGN THAT YOU'VE SEEN TO DATE.

SO WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THE TEAM.

SMITH GROUP IN MANHATTAN, HAVE WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CHANGING THE PROJECT IN A FASHION THAT'S GONNA DETER IT FROM BEING A, A, A FOCAL POINT FOR THE COMMUNITY, LIKE WHAT WE'RE GOING FOR.

SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST UPDATES OR BIGGEST IMPACT THAT WE HAD THROUGHOUT THIS REDESIGN PHASE IS OF COURSE OUR SCHEDULE.

UM, SO WITH THAT NOW, YOU KNOW, WITH THE UM, MOVING ON NOW WITH US BEING BACK ON BUDGET AND BACK ON TRACK WITH THE DESIGN, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD NOW THROUGHOUT THE ACTUAL, UH, DESIGN OF THIS, WE'LL BE HITTING SCHEMATIC DESIGN OF THE 50% CDS, UM, AROUND JANUARY.

UH, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, STARTING AT GMP PHASE IN APRIL AND THEN CONSTRUCTION STARTED IN MAY OF 24.

UM, SO THERE'S A FEW MONTHS THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE LOST IF YOU WILL, FROM A SCHEDULE PERSPECTIVE, BUT I THINK IT WAS TIME WELL SPENT.

'CAUSE I THINK EVERYONE THAT'S BEEN AROUND THE TABLE LOOKING AT THIS DEVELOP ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE TODAY IS BETTER THAN THE ONE THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY.

AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK EVERYBODY'S PROUD TO SAY THAT WE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE REDUCED THE BUDGET AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE A LOT MORE PROUD OF AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL GO INTO WHERE WE ARE WITH THE BUDGET.

OUR GOAL, OF COURSE, IS KEEPING THIS PROJECT WITHIN THAT 43.2 MILLION, UH, SOMETHING THAT WE'VE HAD SET.

UM, SO AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS VALUE ENGINEERING EXERCISE, WE CAME UP WITH ROUGHLY ABOUT 43.5.

WE WENT THROUGH, THERE WERE A COUPLE ITEMS THAT WE WERE ABLE TO CHANGE OUT.

AND SO NOW WE'RE ROUGHLY, I'LL SAY, UM, WITHIN THAT 43.2 MILLION, IT'S 43.236, UM, IS WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WE ALSO HAVE ON THE TABLE, UH, ROUGHLY ABOUT ANOTHER $200,000 WORTH OF VALUE ENGINEERING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND ANALYZING TO EVEN BRING IT BELOW THAT $43.2 MILLION NUMBER.

SO THE PROJECT IS DEFINITELY ON TRACK TO BEING ABLE TO STAY WITHIN BUDGET AND HIT THE SCHEDULE THAT WE'VE SHOWN WITH THE, THE UPDATED SCHEDULE.

UM, ANOTHER THING WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE HAVE IN THERE, SO THAT 43.2 THAT WE HAVE TO DATE, IT ALSO HAS LINE ITEMS FOR CONTINGENCY ESCALATION.

SO DESIGN CONTINGENCY, CONSTRUCTION CONTINGENCY AND ESCALATION, WHICH ALSO ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT 2 MILLION OF THAT $43 MILLION BUDGET.

AND SO AS THE DESIGN PROGRESSES, THOSE CONTINGENCIES LOWER.

SO THAT'S ALSO GIVEN US THE CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE ON WITH THE DESIGN AND ALSO REDUCE THE BUDGET AS WE CONTINUE ON THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS AS WELL.

SO TRY TO KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET TODAY.

UM, JUST WE'RE THE ONE TO GIVE SOME GOOD NEWS AND JUST KIND OF LEAVE IT AT THAT.

BUT , I'LL TURN IT OVER TO QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE ANY OR YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? NO.

OH, SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO QUESTIONS IF WE HAVE ANY.

THANK YOU MR. SMITH, UH, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE, FOR THE GOOD NEWS.

YEAH, WE WELCOME THAT.

UM, AT THIS TIME, COUNSEL, IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, UM, WE'LL TAKE THOSE NOW.

THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENT.

MR. FEIGER, CAN YOU SET THE TIMER FOR TWO MINUTES PLEASE? THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION.

MR. FEIGER, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE ENTRY POINT THAT, THAT THOROUGH, UH, WAY AS WELL? UH, ,

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I GOT YOU .

WOW.

WHICH ONE? IT WAS THE BEG, IT WAS TOWARDS THE BEGINNING.

IT YOU CAN SEE STRAIGHT THROUGH THE BUILDING FROM THE INTERIOR.

IT WAS THE INTERIOR, UH, PICTURE THAT ONE.

UM, I GUESS I WANTED TO COME BACK HERE.

SO, OKAY.

SO THAT SITTING, SITTING AREA IS BASICALLY NOT IN THE CORRIDOR CORRECT.

IS WHERE IT IS.

AND I THINK AT THE TIME, UH, WHEN THE COMMITTEE GOT TOGETHER, UM, PART OF THE RATIONALE WAS, YOU KNOW, AS PARENTS COME IN, AS PEOPLE COME IN AND YOU KNOW, JUST IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A LANDING PLACE, UM, BEFORE THEY ACCELERATE TO THE NEXT THING.

SO IS THERE ANY PROTECTION, LIKE PROTECTING? SO WE HAVE, UH, STAFF CENTERED HERE IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, ALL THIS LOOKS REALLY GOOD, BUT I THINK PART OF THE CONCERN WAS, UM, JUST MAKING CERTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DIDN'T GET PAST, UM, THE CONTROL CENTER AND THEN ALSO TO KIND OF HAVE A LANDING PLACE WHERE YOU CAN KIND OF SETTLE BEFORE YOU GO TO THAT NEXT SPACE OR EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T DO ANY OF THAT, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A HOLDING WAITING AREA AS WELL.

AND SO WITH THIS OPEN AREA HERE NOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO IS THERE NO SEATING OTHER THAN WHAT'S AGAINST THAT WALL THERE OR YEAH, JUST IN GENERAL.

LET'S SEE IF, UM, SO THIS, RIGHT, THIS VIEW SHOWS IT A LITTLE MORE.

UM, SO YOU CAN SEE THERE IS SOME SEATING ON THE WALL.

WE DO HAVE SOME TABLES, UH, WHICH THIS VIEW DOESN'T QUITE SHOW THIS OVER TO THE, UH, THE LEFT IN THIS IMAGE AS WELL, BUT THE MAJORITY OF IT DOES TAKE PLACE NOW PAST THAT.

SO YOU KIND OF HAVE THAT CONTROL CENTER THAT STOPS PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO MAKE IT THROUGH A CERTAIN DISTANCE BEFORE THEY CAN GO THROUGH, UH, FURTHER NOW.

SO IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR, IF YOU'RE JUST WAITING, YOU PRETTY MUCH CAN ONLY STAY RIGHT HERE AND NOT ON.

OKAY? OKAY.

COUNCIL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM? OKAY.

HEARING NONE.

ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO KEEP US QUIET SOME GOOD.

THAT'S HOW NEWS WE WANNA DO IT.

VERY, VERY GOOD COUNSEL.

SO OUR NEXT STEPS ON THAT ARE TO, UM, BEGIN NOW WITH THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWING PHASE OF THIS PROJECT.

SO WE'LL, UH, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GIVE THE NOTICE TO PROCEED, UM, ON THIS NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT, AND, UH, ANTICIPATE A SUMMERTIME CONSTRUCTION START.

[8. Presentation and discussion of the creation of a crime control and prevention district funded by sales and use tax]

AT THIS TIME, UH, MS. THOMAS, WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE NEXT AND FINAL.

IS THAT RIGHT? YES, MA'AM.

ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

WHICH CONSISTS OF TRANSFERS TO OUR EMERGENCY ENERGY MANAGEMENT FUND, POOL MAINTENANCE DEBT SERVICE FOR OUR FIRE TRUCK COURT, ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, AND ALSO OUR LIABILITY INSURANCE.

WE HAVE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF THE CREATION OF A CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT FUNDED BY SALES AND USE TAX.

MAKING THAT PRESENTATION IS TRACY COMIER, FINANCE DIRECTOR.

UH, GOOD EVENING MAYOR COUNSEL.

UM, THE CRIME AND CONTROL PREVENTION DISTRICT WAS INTRODUCED TO COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 7TH, AND A COUPLE QUESTIONS AROSE FROM THE PRESENTATION THAT REQUIRED SOME RESEARCH FROM THE STAFF, AND WE ARE HERE TODAY TO ADDRESS THOSE QUESTIONS AND ALSO DISCUSS THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE AND APPROVALS NEEDED TO MOVE FORWARD.

UM, THE FIRST QUESTION WAS THE POTENTIAL FINANCIAL IMPACT TO DESO RESIDENTS.

UM, THE AMOUNT OF THE 0.5 CURRENT SALES TAX ALLOCATION FOR PRO TO PROPERTY TAX RELIEF CALCULATES TO APPROXIMATELY $173 AND 19 CENTS ANNUALLY FOR A MINI MEDIUM HOME INCOME TAXABLE INCOME OF 327,000.

I WILL NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT A NEW OR ADDITIONAL TAX.

IT'S ONLY FOR REPURPOSING OUR CURRENT SALES TAX.

UM, THE PASSAGE HOPEFULLY WOULD SLOW DOWN HOW LOW THE M AND O TAX RATE IS CALCULATED BASED ON SB TWO.

ANOTHER QUESTION WAS THE BREAKDOWN OF THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES.

OUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS 57.9 MILLION.

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS SLIDE, 39.3 MILLION IS SALARY AND BENEFITS, WHICH, UH, REPRESENTS SIX 8% OF OUR TOTAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

THE NEX IS SUPPLIES, AND I'M KIND OF GONNA GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS FAR AS SUPPLIES.

THEY CONSIST OF OPERATING OFFICE SUPPLIES AND FOR THE DEPARTMENTS, SMALL EQUIPMENT LIBRARY BOOKS, CHEMICALS, MEDICAL LAB SUPPLIES, AND ALSO SMALL FIREFIGHTER EQUIPMENT.

THE SERVICE AND PROFESSIONAL FEES OF 9 MILLION CONSIST OF POSTAGE, POSTAGE, BANK FEES, WELLNESS EXPENDITURES, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, MEMBERSHIPS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS, TRAVEL AND TRAINING, OTHER CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, PRINTING AND BINDING TELEPHONE SERVICES, COLLECTION EXPENSE, AND ALSO SPECIAL EVENTS FOR PARKS.

ALSO, THERE'S ECONOMIC INCENTIVES OF 2.1 MILLION PARTICIPANTS SHARE FOR JAIL SWRC, ANIMAL CONTROL, UH, CAPITAL OUTLAY FOR OUR CAPITALIZED SOFTWARE AND SOME STREET MAINTENANCE.

AND THEN ALSO OUR TRANSFER TO OTHER FUNDS,

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AND THAT MAKES UP OUR 57.9 MILLION GENERAL FUND BUDGET.

UH, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? THANK YOU, MR. COMIER.

UM, COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM, THE ECONOMIC INCENTIVES, EXCUSE MY IGNORANCE IN THIS, BUT I JUST ASSUME THAT CAME FROM OUR, UH, ON THE SALES TAX SIDE.

IS THAT YOU? BUT YOU HAVE IT UNDER THE GENERAL FUNDS? WE, WE HAVE OUR SALES TAX AND WE ALSO HAVE PROPERTY TAX INCENTIVES ALSO, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS CONSISTS OF HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM.

COUNSEL, ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? UM, HEARING NONE.

THERE'S STILL MORE PRESENTATION.

IS THERE MORE PRESENTATION? YES.

OH, I WAS LIKE, THAT WAS QUICK.

I, IT FELT A LITTLE QUICK.

I APOLOGIZE.

I I COULD STOP THERE.

NO, I WAS ABOUT TO SAY YOU MIGHT WANNA QUICK, YOU GO AHEAD.

ALL THANK YOU.

I APOLOGIZE.

THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES TALK ABOUT THE APPROVALS AND TIMELINES REQUIRED TO ESTABLISH THE DISTRICT.

UM, TOMORROW'S REGULAR, REGULAR SCHEDULED COUNCIL MEETING.

WE PLAN TO, UH, UH, PRESENT AN ORDINANCE PROPOSING THE CREATION OF THE CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION DISTRICT, AND ALSO, UM, APPOINTING A TEMPORARY BOARD, WHICH CONSISTS OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, THE CITY BOARD, THE CCPD BOARD DUTIES ARE TO CREATE A TWO YEAR BUDGET PLAN AND ALSO TO CREATE, TO CREATE A TWO YEAR CRIME CONTROL PLAN.

AND BASICALLY THAT WOULD LIST A CRIME CONTROL AND CRIME PREVENTION STRATEGIES, AND ALSO DEVELOP A METHOD OF EVALUATING THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE STRATEGIES.

THE BUDGET PLAN CONSISTS OF ESTABLISHING A TAX RATE, UH, SALES TAX REQUIRED, OF COURSE, THE AMOUNT OF BALANCES EXPECTED AT THE END OF YOUR BUDGET YEAR.

ALSO, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY BUDGETED FOR EACH CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION STRATEGY.

AND THEN ALSO THIS, UM, MUST BE ADOPTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE STATE LAWS, UH, RE UM, DURING OUR BUDGET PROCESS, UH, THE TEMPORARY BOARD, UM, MUST ALSO ORDER AN ELECTION.

AND FOR THIS TO BE ON OUR MAY 24TH ELECTION, THE ORDER MUST BE MADE BY FEBRUARY 16TH, 2024.

THE ELECTION ORDER MUST PUBLISH, MUST BE PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER ONCE A WEEK FOR TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKS WITH THE FIRST NOTICE APPEARING BEFORE THE 35TH DAY BEFORE THE ELECTION DAY.

UH, THERE'S SPECIFIC BALLOT LANGUAGE.

UM, BASICALLY THERE'S GONNA BE ONE QUESTION THAT'S CREATING THE DISTRICT, AND THEN ALSO ELIMINATING THE ADDITIONAL SALES TAX USE TAX FOR PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.

AND JUST KIND OF PAUSE ON THAT.

THAT WOULD BE THE ACTUAL VALID LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE QUOTES THERE THAT YOU, THAT THEY WOULD SEE.

PAUSE FOR ONE SECOND.

MM-HMM, .

UH, THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE, UH, ONCE AGAIN, AT TOMORROW, REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING, WE WILL BE PROPOSING A CREATION OF THE CCPD AND ALSO ESTABLISHING A TEMPORARY BOARD.

UM, THE FIRST REVIEW OF THE CCPD BUDGET PLAN AND CRIME CONTROL PLAN WILL BE JANUARY 2ND WITH THE SECOND REVIEW ON JANUARY 16TH.

AND THEN THE CCPD BUDGET PLAN AND CRIME CONTROL APPROVAL WILL BE FEBRUARY 6TH, ALONG WITH ORDERING ELECTION ON FEBRUARY 6TH.

UM, WITH THOSE, UM, THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE REQUIRED NOTIFICATION THAT WE HAVE TO PUB PUBLISH IN THE NEWSPAPER ON JANUARY 20TH.

AND, UH, THAT'S RELATED TO OF COURSE, OUR PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THEN, ONCE AGAIN, THE CPDB BOARD APPROVAL AND COUNCIL APPROVAL WILL BE HAPPENING ON FEBRUARY 6TH, 2024.

WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DOES THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? YES, MA'AM.

I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, MR. FIER, IF YOU COULD SET THE CLOCK FOR TWO MINUTES.

UM, GOING BACK TO THE EXPLANATION ON THE IMPACT TO, UH, TWO RESIDENTS TAX BILL.

SO, AND IT'S NOT AS STRAIGHTFORWARD AS IT APPEARS? YEAH.

BASED ON MY UNDERSTANDING OF ACTUALLY WHAT THE IMPACT IS AND HOW IT LOOKS AND WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING IMPACTED AND WHAT'S NOT BEING IMPACTED.

REDUCTION TO OUR VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

SO IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN THE IMPACT WITH THE A HUNDRED AND WHATEVER? I THINK IT WAS LIKE 174 MM-HMM.

, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

ANOTHER WAY TO HELP US UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT'S IMPACTING YES.

THE TAX BILL OR SOMETHING BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE TAXES ARE MM-HMM.

ALLOCATED AT THIS POINT.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT ANOTHER WAY? UM, WELL, BASICALLY IT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPURPOSE THE SALES TAX.

AND SO THAT WAY WHEN WE, WHEN THEY DO THE CALCULATION FOR THE TAX WORKSHEET, UM, TO SET OUR RATE, IT WILL NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE

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AND SO IN THIS INSTANCE, IT WOULD HELP US MAINTAIN OUR, UM, MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION RATE.

UM, I MEAN, THAT'S KIND OF, I MEAN, BRANDON, CAN YOU HELP? I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR THE WAY THAT IT IMPACT, LIKE WHEN I LOOK AT MY BILL ONCE, IF THIS PASSES, WHEN I LOOK AT MY BILL, WHAT DIFFERENCE WILL I SEE AS A RESIDENT? UM, I'M NOT FOR SURE EXACTLY HOW THERE, BUT I WOULD THINK THEY'RE GONNA SEPARATE THAT.

WOULD THEY SEPARATE THAT PROP, THAT 0.5 ON THE TAX BILL THAT THEY WOULDN'T KNOW? SO, SO THE, I I THINK ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT HOMEOWNERS WOULD HAVE IS, AM I GONNA SEE AN EXTRA $173 AMOUNT ON MY BILL? RIGHT? AND THE ANSWER TO THAT IS, NO.

NO, YOU WON'T.

AND, AND SO WHAT THIS DOES, IS IT, SO EVERY YEAR, BECAUSE OF SB TWO, ESSENTIALLY YOUR RATE IS DRAWN DOWN, ASSUMING THAT WE HAVE STRONG TAXABLE GROWTH, WHICH WE HAVE IN THIS REGION, UH, EVERY YEAR, THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES HOW FAR DOWN DOES THAT M AND O RATE FALL BASED ON SB TWO ALONE? RIGHT? SO WE WOULD ANTICIPATE IN THIS, IN THESE SITUATIONS, THAT YOUR RATE WILL STILL CONTINUE TO FALL.

IT JUST WON'T FALL AS MUCH, OR AT LEAST IT WON'T NEED TO FALL AS MUCH.

THE COUNCIL CAN ALWAYS DECIDE TO SET THE RATE AS WHEREVER IT WILL ON THAT.

AND SO IT, IT CAN FALL A LITTLE, IT CAN FALL A LOT, RIGHT? AND, AND THAT IMPACTS OPERATIONS.

BUT DEPENDING ON HOW FAR THAT RATE FALLS, UM, FOR IT, SO THAT, SO, SO THAT 1 73 REALLY BECOMES KIND OF A, A NUMBER OF, IT COULD HAVE BEEN 173, UH, $73 HIGHER IF IT HADN'T BEEN ALLOWED TO, IF IT HAD FALLEN FURTHER ON IT.

SO I, I KNOW IT MAKES, IT'S KIND OF STRANGE TO TALK ABOUT IT THAT WAY, UM, WITH IT.

BUT THE IDEA HERE IS THAT YOUR RATES, UM, YOU WON'T SEE AN EXTRA JUST 173 THOU OR $73 ON YOUR BILL.

YOU'RE JUST GOING TO NOTICE IT AS BEING, UH, A RATE THAT FALLS EITHER MORE OR LESS, DEPENDING ON WHERE THE COUNSEL FEELS THE NEED IS OPERATIONALLY, THE ACTUAL TAX RATE ITSELF.

THEY SEE WHEN IT'S CORRECT.

SO YOU'LL SEE WITH TAX RATES THAT ARE CALCULATED FOR THEIR TOTAL BILL, THEY'LL SEE A CHANGE ON THE RATE, ON THE RATE, NOT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT, TECHNICALLY CORRECT.

AND THEN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WILL REFLECT THE RATE AND YOUR TAXABLE VALUE.

SO SEE, AND THE, SO YOU WILL SEE IT, YOU'LL SEE IT ON THE DOLLAR VALUE AMOUNTS, YOU'LL SEE THAT PART OF IT.

YOU'LL SEE THE SEPARATE, MY, MY TAXES WENT UP BY 170, 70 $3.

THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN.

BUT YOU, YOU, IT GETS ALL CALCULATED IN THEIR RATES PART, AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT YOUR RATE WENT DOWN MOST LIKELY.

AND THIS IS YOUR DOLLAR AMOUNT.

AND IN MOST CASES, FOR, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US, OUR TAXES USUALLY GO UP EVERY YEAR, EVEN IF TAX RATES GO DOWN, DOLLAR AMOUNTS GO UP, RIGHT.

BECAUSE OF TAXABLE VALUATIONS, TAXABLE VALUE.

COUNCILMAN BURKE.

I THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.

I DON'T, I WAS ACTUALLY, I WAS, SHE WAS NEXT.

I WAS ACTUALLY FIRST BEFORE OH, OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

NO PROBLEM.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

ALRIGHT, COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.

I APPRECIATE YOU, UH, GIVING US THIS INFORMATION.

BUT I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF NOT DOING THIS? AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS, IS WHY WASN'T THIS BROUGHT UP BEFORE? WHY IS THIS JUST NOW COMING UP? UM, REALLY, UM, WE JUST REALLY AFFECT, UH, FELT THE EFFECTS OF SB TWO, THIS, UM, PAST BUDGET YEAR.

AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE BRINGING TO COUNCIL TO TRY AND LIKE I SAY, ONCE AGAIN, TO MAINTAIN OUR MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION RATE.

AND WHAT'S THE IMPACT, WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF NOT DOING THIS WELL? UM, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME CUTS IN THE BUDGET OF, UM, I THINK IT COME OUT TO WHAT, 3.7 MILLION.

UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY, WHEN WE DO THE BUDGET NEXT YEAR, IF, IF WE PROPOSE A RATE THAT'S HIGHER THAN A VOTER APPROVAL RATE, WE PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO DO TWO BUDGETS ONCE WITH THE HIGHER RATE, AND THEN ONCE, IF WE HAVE TO, CITIZENS DON'T PASS THE VOTER.

I MEAN OUR, UM, PROPOSE RATE.

SO WE HAVE TO DO TWO BUDGETS, ONE WITH THE LOWER RATE AND ONE WITH THE HIGHER RATE.

AND SO IT'S A POSSIBILITY THAT WE COULD HAVE, UM, SOME CUTS TO MAKE AND THOSE CUT, I'M SORRY.

AND THOSE CUTS WOULD ACTUALLY TAKE PLACE IN THAT YEAR YES.

IF THIS IS NOT APPROVED.

AND SO I GUESS MY ONLY QUESTION ABOUT THAT IS WHEN WE'RE TALKING IN, IN TERMS OF THIS IS A STRATEGY MM-HMM.

, THE SB TWO CAME IN PLACE ON 2019.

HERE WE ARE IN 2023, ALMOST 2024 MM-HMM.

DURING THAT TIME, THAT STRATEGY WAS NOT LOOKED AT AS A POSSIBLE MEANS TO GET US AHEAD OF OR BE PROACTIVE.

AND REMEMBER ALSO TOO, WE MENTIONED EARLY ON THAT WE HAD INCREMENTS THAT WE COULD USE EACH YEAR TO OFFSET THAT RATE.

AND WE NO LONGER HAVE THOSE INCREMENTS TO USE.

SO, LIKE I SAY, IT FINALLY HIT US THIS YEAR AS FAR AS SB TWO AFFECTING US AND OUR TAX RATE.

UM, IT HAS SPECIAL PURPOSES.

COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL? YEAH.

SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD? I THINK I WAS NEXT.

NO, YOU DON'T.

SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD? UH, WELL, RESIDENTS, UM, WELL, NOT RESIDENTS, BUT SHOULD THIS MOVE FORWARD, UM, WE HAVE THIS CRIME DISTRICT,

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IT HAS DESIGNATED USES.

SO DOES THAT MEAN WE WILL MOVE FUNDS FROM POLICE SLASH POLICE, FIRE PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, FROM MOVE NUMBERS FROM THERE AND RELY ON THE NUMBERS THAT COME IN THROUGH THIS PARTICULAR FUND? WE WOULD HAVE TO SET UP A SEPARATE BUDGET THAT, AND WE WILL MOVE, UM, PERSONNEL AND ANY EXPENDITURES THAT'S CURRENTLY IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO THIS CRIME PREVENTION DISTRICT.

COUNCIL MEMBER BUR, COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM.

UM, I, UNFORTUNATELY, I STILL TRYING TO WRAP MY BRAIN AROUND THE IMPACT OF THE RESIDENT.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S BEEN CLEARLY STATED TONIGHT.

UH, JUST FROM A STANDPOINT OF, WE CURRENTLY ARE USING THIS SALES TAX 0.5% TO, AS A PROPERTY TAX RELIEF, RIGHT? SO TO SOME EXTENT, AS A RESIDENT, I SHOULD BE FEELING SOME TYPE OF PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.

BUT WE'RE SAYING BY REMOVING IT MM-HMM.

, WE'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE AN IMPACT BECAUSE SB TWO IS GONNA CAUSE US TO KEEP THE TAX RATE THE SAME DIFFERENTLY.

BUT IF I'M JUST OPERATING IN THIS CURRENT YEAR, MM-HMM.

, LET'S SAY, IF THIS IS EXISTS THIS CURRENT YEAR, WHAT AM, AM I'M, I'M FEELING IT THIS YEAR, IF, IF I WASN'T EXPECTING FOR YOU ALL TO HAVE A PROPERTY TAX RELIEF, UH, PER, UH, SET ASIDE IN THE SALES TAX, RIGHT? I'M KIND OF NOT UNDERSTANDING YOUR QUESTION.

JUST IN CASE WE HAVE TO ADOPT A RATE THAT IS OVER THE VOTER APPROVAL RATE.

WELL, MY QUESTION IS, I DON'T THINK YOU OR THE CITY MANAGER HAS MADE IT CLEAR, HONESTLY, THE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT.

IT'S STILL MUDDY BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS SAYING, WELL, SB TWO, AS TIME GOES ON, YOU'LL SEE THE REDUCTION IN YOUR TAX RATE AND ALL AS WELL.

RIGHT? BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW SLOW THAT'S GONNA TAKE BECAUSE IT'S ALSO CONTINGENT ON OF US STAYING WITHIN THE PARAMETER OF THE TAX RATE THAT WE HAVE TO, AND NOT CARRYING OVER MORE THAN THREE, 3.5% OF OUR REVENUE FROM THE YEAR BEFORE, CONSIDERING ALL OF THAT.

RIGHT? I SHOULD, I SHOULDN'T, I SHOULD BE FILLING THIS, THIS PROPERTY TAX RELIEF.

WHY WOULD IT EXIST IF I DON'T SEE IT AS A RESIDENT, SO TO SAY, TO REMOVE IT? BUT I'M NOT GONNA FEEL IT MEANS I WASN'T FEELING IT TODAY ANYWAY.

SO WHERE, WHERE DID IT GO? LIKE I THINK IT STILL HASN'T BEEN EXPLAINED CLEARLY HOW TODAY AS A RESIDENT, I WILL SEE, I WILL FEEL THAT DISCOUNT.

AND IF THAT DISCOUNT'S REMOVED, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FOR ME? UM, THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND IT, IT IS A DIFFICULT CONCEPT TO EXPLAIN BECAUSE, UM, THE PROPERTY TAX CALCULATION IS LITERALLY LIKE A EIGHT OR NINE PAGE DOCUMENT WITH SO MANY ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO IT.

WE LISTED THE $173 BECAUSE IF WE WERE TO SAY, IF EVERYTHING ELSE IN THAT CALCULATION STOOD STILL, THE RESIDENT MAY SEE THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL DECREASE BY $173.

IF THEY, UM, ADOPT THE CCPD, DECREASE, DECREASE.

BECAUSE IF YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT IT NOW WE'RE ALLOCATING, WE'RE WE'RE USING A PORTION OF SALES TAX TO ALLOCATE TO PROPERTY TAX.

OKAY? WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHEN IT'S TIME TO DO THE PROPERTY TAX CALCULATION, THAT IT, THAT, UM, 3.7 MILLION IS FACTORED INTO THE CALCULATION.

OKAY? WHEN THAT GOES INTO THE CALCULATION, THAT CREATES A DIFFERENCE FOR US.

OKAY? BECAUSE THAT IT, BECAUSE IT AFFECTS THE M AND O.

SO YOU TAKE THAT OUT OF THE CALCULATION THAT HELPS US TO MAINTAIN OUR M AND O.

NOW, LET'S GO BACK TO KEEPING IT IN.

IF YOU KEEP IT IN THE, IN THE CALCULATION, IT COULD POSSIBLY, UM, HOLD ON, I'M GETTING CONFUSED MYSELF.

WELL, YOU KEEP IT, KEEP IT IN THE POP, UH, CALCULATION, IT COULD, UM, DECREASE THE MNO.

OKAY? YOU KEEP IT IN, YOU TAKE IT OUT, IT COULD HELP YOU MAINTAIN THE MNO.

AND THAT IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DOING SINCE WE CAME WITH THE, UH, WITH THE DEBT THAT WE DID WITH THE NEW, UH, WITH THE NEW BUDGET THAT WE JUST IMPLEMENTED.

THAT IS WHAT THE WHOLE IDEA IS BECAUSE AROUND SENATE BILL TWO, YOU HAVE SUCH LIMITED OPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO GROW YOUR REVENUE.

UH, PROPERTY TAX IS OUR NUMBER ONE HIGHEST REVENUE SOURCE.

OKAY? SO IF YOU, UM, IF YOU REDUCE THAT, THE AMOUNT THAT YOU'RE BRINGING IN, YOU HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND, YOU CAN ONLY INCREASE THAT AT A RATE OF 3.5% OVER YOUR PRIOR YEAR.

SO THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON THAT WE WANT TO KEEP THE M AND O MAINTAIN IT AS MUCH AS WE CAN BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANNA LOSE THAT.

IF WE LOSE THAT, THAT'S WHEN WE MAY BE LOOKING AT BUDGET CUTS.

ALSO, IF WE LOSE THAT, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UM, POSSIBLY HAVING TO ADOPT TWO BUDGETS FOR FISCAL YEAR 24, 25,

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'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA DO THAT.

BUT IF, IF WE HAVE TO DO THAT TO MEET OUR CURRENT NEEDS, THEN IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY GO ON THE BALLOTS IN NOVEMBER.

AND IF IT FAILS, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE A BACKUP BUDGET READY.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE BUDGET CUTS MAY COME IN.

SO IT'S NOT REALLY A, AN EASY THING TO EXPLAIN, BUT LET ME GO BACK TO THE $173 NOW.

SO THE WAY THAT IT SITS NOW, IF ALL OTHER ELEMENTS IN THAT CALCULATION REMAIN STILL, WHICH WE KNOW THEY WON'T, BUT IF ALL OTHER ELEMENTS REMAIN STILL, THEN UM, IF WE ADOPTED IT, THEN WE COULD BE LOOKING AT $173 INCREASE ON A AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD, UM, PROPERTY TAX VALUE ON YOUR TAX BILL.

BUT THE REASON THAT WE'RE SLOW TO SAY THAT IS BECAUSE OF INCREASED VALUATION, OUR, OUR TAX BILL VALUATION INCREASED, WAS IT 1 BILLION THIS YEAR, $1 BILLION THIS YEAR.

THAT MADE A HUGE IMPACT, WHICH IS, IS GREAT IN ONE WORLD, BUT IN THE OTHER WORLD, YOU KNOW, IT, IT REALLY, UM, KIND OF DRIVES, DRIVES DOWN OUR M AND O.

SO COUNCILWOMAN PARKER ASKED WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT COULD, WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF WE DON'T DO THIS, IF WE DON'T PUT THIS ON THE BALLOT AND GIVE THE VOTERS AN, AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY HAPPEN IS OUR M AND O COULD COME BACK ON THAT CALCULATION AT A RATE THAT, UM, DOESN'T SUPPORT THE THE CURRENT BUDGET.

SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS SLIDE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? THIS SO COUNCILWOMAN CHISHOLM'S QUESTION, WE ARE, WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT SIMPLE FOR SOMEONE TO UNDERSTAND, WHICH IS A NOT A SIMPLE TOPIC, UNFORTUNATELY.

UM, FOR IT, THE EASIEST WAY THAT WE HAVE TO SAY IT IS THAT YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL, RIGHT? IT WHEN YOU, UH, THE, THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY IN THERE, RIGHT? IF ALL THINGS EQUAL REDUCES YOUR PROPERTY TAX BILL BY ABOUT $173, OKAY? THAT'S WHAT THE SALES TAX REDUCTION DOES FOR YOU.

CURRENTLY.

NOW HOW MUCH OF IT YOU BRING BACK AND THINGS THAT, THAT BECOMES A VIVID QUESTION, RIGHT? BUT AT ITS FULLEST LEVEL, IF YOU WERE TO SAY IT'S NOT NO LONGER THERE, HOW WOULD THAT CHANGE SOMEONE'S BILL? THEIR BILL WOULD'VE BEEN $173 HIGHER ON THAT.

THAT'S THE IMPACT IN THE CURRENT WORLD OF, OF WHAT THAT HALF CENT DOES FOR IT.

SO, SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S THE CLARITY.

I THINK THAT WE, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT, THAT THAT $173, THAT'S, THAT'S THE DIRECT IMPACT TODAY BECAUSE OF THAT HALF A CENT, OR I'M SORRY, YEAH.

THAT HALF A CENT REDUCTION DUE TO THE SALES TAX, OKAY? MM-HMM, WHAT IT IS.

EVERY, EVERY YEAR AFTER THIS, IT KIND OF BECOMES A BIT OF A QUESTION WHERE YOU SET THAT RATE, HOW THE, WHAT THE TAX EVALUAT IT, IT, IT BECOMES A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS GOING INTO IT TODAY.

IF WE FROZE THE WORLD TODAY, THAT'S THE IMPACT OF THE $173 ON A HOME THAT HAS A MEDIUM VALUE ON A MEDIAN HOME OF 327.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SEVEN.

SO IF IT'S MORE THAN THAT, IT'S HIGHER.

IF IT'S LESS THAN THAT, IT IS LOWER, CORRECT? YES.

COUNCILMAN BYRD, UM, DR. MARKS MAYOR PROTI, YOU'VE NOT HAD COMMENTS? WOULD YOU ALL LIKE TO HAVE COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? MADAM MAYOR, I YIELD MY THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM COUNCILMAN BURKE? UH, THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.

THEY ANSWERED THE QUESTION WHEN WE ASKED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE DIDN'T.

THAT WOULD'VE BEEN MY QUESTION.

COUNCILMAN BURKE.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

I WOULD, I WOULD SAY THAT, UH, CURRENTLY WITH SB WITH THE EFFECTS OF SB TWO, AND I UNDERSTAND THE EFFECTS OF THE $173, BUT CURRENTLY WHAT SB TWO HAS DONE IS LIMITED MUNICIPALITIES FROM GAL GOUGING, IF YOU WOULD.

UH, IT, IT, IT PUTS A SAFETY NET IN THERE.

AND WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH THE SALES TAX, AND REALLY IF WE LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY AND LOOK AT, WE ARE GIVING OUR CITIZENS CURRENTLY A DISCOUNT OF THIS HALF PERCENTAGE RATE OF THIS HALF CENT TO BRING IT DOWN BEFORE THERE WAS A SAFETY NET.

NOW THERE IS A SAFETY NET, AND WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS MOVING IT, MOVING THE, CREATING ANOTHER ENTITY, TAKING AWAY THE SAFETY NET BECAUSE S SB TWO BECOMES THE SAFETY NET.

SO THE EFFECT IS REALLY $173 ON A MEDIUM PRICE OF $300,000.

BUT, BUT THAT'S WHAT SB TWO WILL DO THAT.

AND IF WE DON'T MOVE IT, WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS GIVING A DISCOUNT ON TOP OF A DISCOUNT.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH.

WE WERE TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE AND GIVE A DISCOUNT OF, OF THAT HALF CENTS, WHICH COMES, I BELIEVE, FROM THE HOT FUND OR WHEREVER IT COMES FROM THIS, THE SALES TAX, SALES TAX.

AND THAT, THAT'S, I HAD TO SIMPLE, I'M NOT THAT SMART, BUT I, SO I HAD TO SIMPLIFY IT FOR MYSELF.

CURRENTLY, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, WE WILL DOUBLE DIP THE DISCOUNT.

WHEREAS

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SO THIS HALF CENTS FROM THE SALES TAX, WE'RE GIVING IT TO THEM.

NOW SB TWO WILL DO THAT AUTOMATICALLY.

AND SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, LET'S TAKE THAT HALF CENTS AND DO SOMETHING ELSE WITH IT SO THAT WE CAN PROTECT IT AND NOT GIVE DISCOUNT ON TOP OF DISCOUNT.

THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO LOOK AT IT.

, THANK YOU.

I THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THIS.

UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LIMITED THINGS THAT WE CAN DO.

SO, UM, IF WE ROLL AROUND TO FISCAL YEAR 24, 25, AND IT'S TIME TO DO THAT CALCULATION, UM, UH, WHAT WE DID WITH THE DEBT ISSUANCE THIS YEAR MAY BECOME NECESSARY.

AGAIN, SEVERAL CITIES ARE DOING IT.

THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO MITIGATE AND TO TRY TO KEEP AS MUCH OF THE, OF THEIR M AND O AS POSSIBLE.

BUT, UM, THIS, UH, REDISTRIBUTION OF THE, THE SALES TAX FOR CCPD IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO.

AND IT IS SOMETHING POSITIVE THAT WE CAN DO.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THAT $173 AND YOU, UM, COMBINE THAT COLLECTIVELY, AS YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR COUNCIL REPORT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 3.7 MILLION, RIGHT? SO WHEN IT'S TIME TO DO THAT CALCULATION, THAT 3.7 MILLION THAT HISTORICALLY, UM, WENT INTO THAT CALCULATION TO REDUCE M AND O, IT DOESN'T GO INTO THAT CALCULATION TO REDUCE M AND O, IT COMES BACK INTO THE CCPD, WHICH WE CAN KEEP AT THE CITY IN OUR GENERAL FUND.

UM, SO I DO SEE LIGHTS, HOWEVER, I WANNA GET CLEAR DIRECTION 'CAUSE I WANNA HAVE US WRAPPED UP BY EIGHT 30.

SO WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL NEED FROM US TO SEE WHAT THE NEXT, UH, BEST PATH FORWARD IS TONIGHT.

AND WE CAN DECIDE THAT TONIGHT WAS JUST REALLY FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES.

TOMORROW YOU HAVE TWO ACTIONS ON THE, UH, CITY COUNCIL AGENDA THAT REALLY BEGINS THE PROCESS OF GETTING TO THE CREATION OF A CRIME CONTROL PLAN AS WELL AS THE BUDGET FOR THIS.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE PRIOR TO THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY VOTING TO, UM, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUTTING IT ON THE MAY BALLOT ON THAT.

SO THERE IS ADDITIONAL IN, UH, WORK FOR US TO DO.

UM, BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT PRIOR TO THE VOTE TOMORROW NIGHT IN WHICH YOU'RE PROPOSING THE CREATION OF THE DISTRICT, YOU'RE NOT CREATING IT.

YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT THE, UH, THE CREATION OF THE DISTRICT AS WELL AS SETTING THE TEMPORARY BOARD, THOSE ARE THE TWO BEGINNING ACTIONS YOU TAKE TO BE ABLE TO THEN REVIEW THE CRIME CONTROL PLAN AND REVIEW THE BUDGET TO POSSIBLY PUTTING IT ON THE BALLOT IN MAY ON, ON THOSE TWO THINGS.

SO, SO, SO THERE IS NO, UM, CONSENSUS YOU NEED FROM US TONIGHT.

HOWEVER, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF IT SO THAT WE DON'T, YOU KNOW SURE.

THIS IS THE TIME TO KIND OF GET CLARIFICATION ON THE MAJOR POINTS OF IT ALL, UM, TO EVEN MOVE IT FORWARD TOMORROW.

SO, UM, BUT YOU'RE SAYING YOU DON'T NEED CONSENSUS FOR ANYTHING.

IT'S JUST REALLY TONIGHT TO GET KIND OF GET A LOT OF OUR FRONT END QUESTIONS OUT TONIGHT, CORRECT? YEAH.

ONE, THAT ONE I CAN RESPOND TO, UM, QUICKLY HERE, UH, FOR THE QUESTION IS, WILL WE BE MOVING INTO THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR WITH TWO BUDGETS? AND THE QUESTION REALLY BECOMES THAT FOR ONE OF THE COUNCIL.

WE WOULD PREFER IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THINGS, EVEN IF WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TONIGHT, WE'LL GO BACK AND RESEARCH THEM FOR YOU.

MAKE SURE THEY GET 'EM BACK TO EXACTLY.

SO WE, WE ARE TRYING TO PROVIDE EDUCATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DRAWING OUT THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED.

UM, AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PROVIDE THE RESPONSES THAT, UH, FOR THOSE THANK YOU.

SO COUNSEL, WITH THAT SAID, IF YOU COULD TAILOR YOUR QUESTIONS OR IF YOU, IF YOU KNOW AND UNDERSTAND TONIGHT THAT YOU WILL NEED INFORMATION THAT POSSIBLY COUNSEL DOES NOT HAVE.

I MEAN, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE TONIGHT.

THEY CAN PROVIDE THAT TOMORROW.

SO IF YOU HAVE THOSE REQUESTS, TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT TO MAKE THOSE REQUESTS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE TOMORROW TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION AND PRESENT IT IN TOMORROW'S MEETING.

UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER ROUND, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM, I THINK, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RAP RAPHAEL, COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL? YES.

UM, IF WE COULD, AND, AND SORRY IF I MISSED IT, COULD WE GET A SEVEN YEAR HISTORY OF WHAT THOSE SALES TAXES LOOK LIKE AND AT THAT 3.5 LEVEL, YOU KNOW, OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS? THAT'S, THAT'S A REQUEST THAT I HAVE THAT WILL HELP ME.

AND THEN THE OTHER IS, UM, JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND THIS AS A VARIABLE.

SO, UH, WE'RE USING THIS AS A MECHANISM, AS A TOOL.

SHOULD RESIDENTS SAY WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS.

UM, SELF SAXES ARE A VARIABLE AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO WHAT LOOKS LIKE A CONTRACTION RIGHT NOW.

AND SO WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? AND I GUESS I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE.

LIKE WILL IT COVER THAT BUCKET, YOU KNOW, THE DELTA OF WHAT, WHAT MIGHT BE NEEDED? SO IF WE'RE SAYING 3.7 MILLION, I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE SALES TAXES OVER THE YEAR FOR, AT THIS, AT THIS PARTICULAR PERCENTAGE WILL COVER THAT.

THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, JUST TO KIND OF GET A HISTORICAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT, WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST.

AND THEN, UM, THE NEXT IS, UM, TWO BUDGETS.

AND SO DOES THIS MEAN THAT MOVING FORWARD? 'CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF VOTERS WILL SAY YES OR NO.

SO MOVING FORWARD, WE ARE ALREADY, WILL WE BE GOING INTO BUDGET SEASON WITH TWO BUDGETS IN MIND? MEANING THIS YEAR? YEAH, THAT

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UM, IF THIS, IF THIS ACTION IS NOT TAKEN, THEN YOU THEN, AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A QUESTION TO VOTERS ABOUT IT, THEN EARLY ON IN THE BUDGET PROCESS, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW.

I DON'T KNOW THAT STAFF WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT WE SHOULD BUILD TWO BUDGETS UNLESS THE COUNCIL SAYS, PLEASE BUILD TWO BUDGETS, UM, FOR US ON THAT.

OTHERWISE WE WOULD BUILD ONE AROUND THE REVENUES THAT WE KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE.

SO I GUESS WORK PLAN WISE, SO SHOULD, SO, BECAUSE THE ELECTION IS IN MAY, AND IF RESIDENTS SAY NO TO THIS, THEN THAT MEANS THAT IN MAY YOU SHIFT GEARS AND THEN YOU START THIS NEW BUDGET.

IS THAT WHAT I UNDERSTAND? IT WOULD BE IN NOVEMBER, CORRECT? NO, IT WOULD BE IN MAY.

MAY IT WOULD BE MAY IT WOULD GO ON THE BALLOT IN MAY.

IT'LL BE MAY, BUT, BUT THE BUDGET REALLY EVERYTHING'S GETTING DEVELOPED DURING THAT TIMELINE.

IF IT, IF THE COUNCIL WANTED THE, THE, THE OUTCOME OF THAT ELECTION COULD BE BUILT INTO THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR THAT.

AND I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT WE'D HAVE TO BUILD TWO BUDGETS BASED ON IF IT PASSES OR DOESN'T PASS IN MAY.

REMEMBER YOU'VE GOT JUNE, JULY, AUGUST TO GET THROUGH ALL THOSE, THOSE THINGS.

THERE'S PLENTY OF TIME AFTER MAY TO BE ABLE TO GET THOSE DECISIONS MADE.

ALRIGHT.

AND STAFF, YOU ALL DID GET HER QUESTIONS FOR FOLLOW UP INFORMATION TOMORROW.

MR. FIER, IF YOU COULD SET THE CLOCK PLEASE FOR TWO MINUTES.

UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM.

ALRIGHT, TIME TIME'S CLICKING.

UH, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS 3.7 MILLION DO WE, WHAT IN OUR CURRENT BUDGET, UM, DO WE SPEND 3.7 MILLION FOR POLICE TODAY? IS THE 0.5% THE RIGHT AMOUNT? I THINK IT'S ALONG THE LINES OF, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL, AND I'M MOST INTERESTED IN THE 3.7 MILLION.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SPENDING TODAY? BECAUSE IF THERE'S A DIFFERENCE, ARE WE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 3.7 MILLION ON, UM, PUBLIC SAFETY COMING INTO THE NEXT YEAR AS WE BALANCE OUT EVERYTHING? WELL, THAT WILL BE LEFT UP TO, UM, THE BOARD.

SO WE WOULD DEVELOP THOSE BUDGETS FROM THERE.

UM, THE 3.7 MILLION DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND EXACTLY 3.7 MILLION.

IF YOU, UM, LOOK AT OUR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS THIS YEAR, WE REMEMBER WE HAD A GAP OF ABOUT 3.4 MILLION THAT WE NEEDED TO FILL IN ORDER TO KEEP OUR M AND O.

SO THAT'S KIND OF, IT'S STILL KIND OF IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO BASICALLY WHAT YOU'LL BE DOING INSTEAD, INSTEAD OF PUTTING 3.7 INTO THE CALCULATION, YOU WILL BE PUTTING THE 3.7 INTO CCPD, WHICH ALLOWS US TO KEEP IT AND WHICH ALLOWS IT TO STAY INTO THE GENERAL FUND TO GO TO CCPD.

SO THE BUDGET ITSELF WOULD, WOULD BE DEVELOPED WITH THE, WITH THE COUNCIL, I'M SORRY, WITH THE BOARD, WHICH IS THE COUNCIL.

UM, IT'S NEWER, IT WILL BE NEWER TO US.

SO WE WILL BE TALKING TO OTHER SISTER CITIES WHO HAVE DONE THIS.

I THINK CEDAR HILL HAS DONE THIS AND WE'LL BE TALKING TO OTHER CITIES AND OF COURSE ASSISTING THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS AND, AND WHAT IT'S, WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO LOOK LIKE, RIGHT.

BUT THE MONEY THAT WE, THE 3.7, ESSENTIALLY THE DEBT THAT WE CURRENTLY SPEND ON PUBLIC SAFETY TODAY, RIGHT.

THAT OCCUPIES OUR BUDGET, THAT MONEY WILL FUNNEL TO THIS 0.5% IN SALES TAX, CORRECT? I MEAN THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE CRIME DISTRICT IS TO, FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY STUFF TO FUNNEL TO BE PAID THROUGH THIS 3.7, CORRECT? YEAH.

SO MY QUESTION IS DO WE CURRENTLY PAY THREE POINT? IS IT YOU WE WERE OVER 3.4.

RIGHT, BUT THAT WASN'T ALL PUBLIC SAFETY, RIGHT? OH, OH, OH, I THINK I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

THE QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE 3.7 ROUGHLY MILLION DOLLARS OF COST IN PUBLIC SAFETY TO BE ABLE AND, AND ABSOLUTELY.

WE, WE SPEND, IT'S CLOSER TO PROBABLY 20 MILLION, UM, THAT WE'LL SPEND IN THAT CATEGORY.

SO THERE, THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF COST TO MOVE OVER TO, UH, TO PUT INTO THIS AREA HERE, CORRECT? YEAH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING NOW.

I THINK, WAS THAT THE QUESTION? OKAY.

WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS IF THAT M AND O RATE COMES OUT TO BE TOO LOW AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE, UM, THE TOTAL TAX RATE IS MADE UP OF THE INS RATE, WHICH IS THE DEBT RATE AND THE M AND O, WHICH IS THE MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONS, IT, AND OUR DEBT RATE IS WHAT IT IS, THERE'S NOTHING WE GONNA DO ABOUT THAT UNLESS WE'RE GONNA GET MORE DEBT.

THE, THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE DISTRICT ITSELF IS WHAT ALLOWS US TO MAKE THAT BUDGET AND ALLOWS US TO START THAT PROCESS OF, OF ACTUALLY SEEING WHAT WE WILL END UP SPENDING.

BUT I MEAN, YEAH.

DO WE HAVE 3.7 MILLION WORTH OF EXPENDITURES? OF COURSE.

YOU KNOW, WE DO.

SO THANK YOU COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

AND, UH, SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE AROUND, UM, SHOULD THIS NOT GO IN AND YOU SAID IT'S 0.5, UM, AS FAR AS THE BUDGET IS CONCERNED, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST EXPENDITURE ON OUR BUDGET IS THE ACTUAL PERSONNEL.

SO IT WOULD JUST REDUCE THE PERSONNEL BY 0.5% IF THIS DOES NOT PASS.

NO, THAT, THAT'S KINDA, UM, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT GO INTO THE CALCULATION, IT ALL, IT'S ALL GONNA DEPEND ON WHAT OUR M AND O RATE COMES OUT TO BE IN THAT CALCULATION.

THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL GONNA DEPEND ON.

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THE M AND O PART IS WHAT WE'RE NEEDING TO MAINTAIN.

IF THAT M AND O COMES IN 5 CENTS LOWER THAN WHAT IT DID LAST YEAR, THAT THAT'S GONNA BE, AND I'M JUST USING 5 CENTS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'LL BE, BUT IF IT COMES IN THREE TO 5 CENTS LOWER THAN WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING IT TO BE, THEN WHAT OUR EXPENSES ARE EXPECTING, THEN WE WILL BE LOOKING AT CUTS.

I CAN'T SAY SPECIFICALLY WHERE THOSE CUTS WILL BE, THAT WILL OF COURSE BE UP TO THE COUNCIL.

BUT IN JUST LOOKING AT THE, UM, DIAGRAM THAT MR. CORMIER HAD UP, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE EXPENSES ARE IN THE BUDGET AND IT IS PERSONNEL.

ABSOLUTELY.

AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, IS THAT SHEET THAT TALKS ABOUT THE 1 73, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE WAS A LOT OF CONFUSIONS AROUND, UH, A FUSION AROUND THAT.

AND I, AND I'M REALLY GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, WHEN, UH, COUNCILMAN BYRD ACTUALLY GAVE HIS HIS, UM, HIS STATEMENT, IT MADE MORE SENSE.

THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO MAKE THAT MAKE SENSE.

THAT SCREEN.

'CAUSE IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHEN I, WHEN I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE FOR ME, BUT OKAY.

YES MA'AM.

IS IT BETTER NOW? HE IS, HIS STATEMENT IS OKAY, BUT NOT THE ONE THAT'S IN THE THANK YOU.

IT TAKES A VILLAGE.

CAN WE GIVE HIM CREDIT THE FIRST TIME AND THEN YOU ALL CAN TAKE CREDIT FOR IT? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU COUNCIL.

COUNCIL.

THANK YOU COUNCIL.

THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.

I GUESS THIS IS HARD AND I, UH, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO, IF, IF, AND, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, BECAUSE WE CANNOT CONTROL THE INTEREST PAYMENT OTHER THAN GOING INTO DEBT, RIGHT? THIS SIDE OVER HERE, WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THE MONEY.

I HAD A CITIZEN SAY THAT WE HAD TO TAKE A LOAN 'CAUSE WE FELL SHORT.

UH, WE, WE OVERRAN, UM, UH, SALARIES.

I SAID THAT NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

THE LOAN WAS TAKEN TO CREATE A DEBT SO THAT WE COULD PROTECT THE $2 MILLION BECAUSE IF WE HAD NOT TAKEN THE LOAN, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME.

MM-HMM, , HAD WE NOT TAKEN THE LOAN, THE CALCULATION THAT YOU HAD, EVEN THOUGH WE DROPPED THE PROPERTY TAX A PENNY THIS YEAR, RIGHT? MM-HMM, , WE WOULD'VE HAD TO DROP IT LESS THAN A PENNY, I MEAN MORE THAN A PENNY.

WE WOULD'VE HAD TO DROP IT MORE THAN A PENNY.

AND, AND IF WE DROP IT MORE THAN A PENNY AND OUR EXPENSES STAY WHERE THEY ARE.

ARE CONTINUALLY TO INCLINE.

THE MORE WE DROP THIS, WE ARE TAKING IN MORE, LESS REVENUES AND OUR EXPENSES ARE GOING UP.

SO WE WOULD EITHER HAVE TO CUT EXPENSES TO BRING IT DOWN BECAUSE, UH, SB TWO CAPPED US WITH WHAT WE, FROM WHAT WE USED TO BE ABLE TO DO.

SO ALL OF THESE MANEUVERS ARE A WAY TO, TO MOVE, TO PLAY WITH NUMBERS, TO MOVE TO, TO TAKE THIS DISCOUNT OUT OF THIS PROPERTY TAX NUMBER AND LET THE PROPERTY TAX BE TRUE TO ITS NATURE AND, AND USE THIS TO CREATE, TO HELP OFFSET WHAT REALLY IS A REAL EXPENSE, WHICH IS, UM, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE WAY I MADE SENSE OF IT.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

COUNCIL MEMBER MAYOR PROTE.

THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR, I JUST HAD A QUESTION AND I MIGHT'VE MISSED THIS IN MY WATER BILL.

HAVE WE BEEN ABLE TO PUT ANY TYPE OF MATERIAL TOGETHER THAT WILL HELP EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS TO OUR CITIZENS? VERY ELEMENTARY, YOU KNOW, SOME BASIC TOUCH POINTS, SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HELP THEM TO UNDERSTAND.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A WHOLE LOT, BUT MM-HMM.

, YOU KNOW, POINTS THAT WILL HELP THEM TO GRASP LIKE, LIKE ALL THE NOTES THAT WE'VE BEEN PUTTING TOGETHER TONIGHT.

SO THAT, 'CAUSE I, I THINK THAT'S OUR BIGGEST CONCERN IS HOW THEY WILL RECEIVE THIS.

SO YEAH, THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD START WORKING ON.

DEFINITELY.

TO COMPREHEND IT, UM, TO A DEGREE.

AND TO EVEN ADD TO THAT, ASIDE FROM THE WATER BILL, UM, I GOT TWO MINUTES TO ADD TO THE WATER BILL.

MAYBE THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME VIDEO COMMUNICATION AS WELL.

'CAUSE EVEN WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE RECEIVE AND, AND COMPREHEND AND ABSORB AND LEARN DIFFERENT WAYS.

SOME ARE AUDIBLE, SOME ARE VISUAL, UM, SOME ARE ESTHETIC.

SO IF WE COULD MAYBE PUT THE INFORMATION TOGETHER A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COVERING ALL OF OUR BASES AND DO SOME PSAS ON WHAT THIS, UM, LOOKS LIKE AND CHRIS AND THINGS, LIKE I SAID, SOCIAL MEDIA WISE THAT ARE SHAREABLE AND, AND THINGS AND NOT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY NOT TOO LONG AND DRAWN OUT.

WE ONLY GET SO MUCH OF PEOPLE'S ATTENTION, SO WE GOTTA REALLY, LIKE SHE SAID, KIND OF NAIL DOWN THE POINTS, UM, AND FIND IT IN A WAY THAT WE CAN EXPLAIN IT TO WHERE IT MAKES SENSE, UM, TO OUR RESIDENTS.

'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, I THINK THAT IS GONNA BE OUR BIGGEST OBSTACLE, YOU KNOW, IF WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH THIS TYPE OF INFORMATION ON A REGULAR BASIS ARE STRUGGLING

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