* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:02] SOME [2. SPECIAL JOINT WORK SESSION WITH DESOTO DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND DESOTO PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION] [a. Presentation and discussion of updates to the 2023 Comprehensive Plan] KIND OF JUST TABS OF BIGGER COMMENTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF WALK Y'ALL THROUGH. UM, BUT THIS IS THE WEBSITE FOR THIS PROJECT. UM, AND IF WE SCROLL DOWN, UM, THERE IS, UH, THE GRAY TOOLBAR. IT SAYS ABOUT READ THE DRAFT COMP PLAN, GET INVOLVED, DOCUMENTS, NEWSLETTERS. SO IF WE CLICK ON THAT SECOND, READ THE DRAFT PLAN, UM, IT'LL TAKE YOU TO THIS NEXT SCREEN. AND THEN THAT BIG GREEN BUTTON THAT SAYS DRAFT COMP PLAN, IF ANYONE CLICKS THAT, THEN THEY WOULD GET DIRECTED TO, UM, THE PDF THAT Y'ALL HAVE IN FRONT OF Y'ALL AND SOME OF YOU ARE SHARING. UM, AGAIN, UM, THIS WAS A DRAFT PLAN AS OF LAST UPDATE, I THINK I BELIEVE FRIDAY. UM, WE HAVE DONE, UM, CONTINUOUS REVIEWS WITH CITY STAFF. PASTOR HAS BEEN A HUGE STEWARDSHIP OF THIS PLAN, MAKING SURE THAT WE TALK WITH TRANSPORTATION, EDC, PARKS AND RECS, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY HAVE REVIEWED AND PROVIDED COMMENTS. UM, SO KIND OF WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, THE BEGINNING OF THE REPORT IS JUST KIND OF BASICALLY ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. THERE'S SEVEN OR NINE MAIN CHAPTERS. THE INTRODUCTION IS JUST WHY WE'RE DOING THIS COMMUNITY SNAPSHOT IS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE DOCUMENTATION AS OF TODAY OR, YOU KNOW, NOT ACCOUNTING FOR THE LAST, UH, COMMUNITY CONVERSATION. SO SLIDE, UH, PDF, PAGE 10, UM, HAS AN OVERVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH THAT'S BEEN DOING, THAT'S BEEN CONDUCTED. UM, GIVES A DESCRIPTION OF THE STEERING COMMITTEE THAT WAS CREATED, UM, AND ALL THE DIFFERENT TOUCH POINTS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THEM. ON SLIDE OR PAGE 13 OF THE PDF. UM, IT OUTLINES HOW THE REPORT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, READ. UM, I'M GONNA BE FOCUSING ON THOSE FOUR MAIN CHAPTERS THAT WERE THOSE SUBJECT AREAS THAT WE REALLY DID, UM, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE BASED ON THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WE RECEIVED THIS YEAR. UM, SO ON PAGE 13 OF THE PDF, IT OUTLINES HOW EACH OF THE CHAPTERS ARE STRUCTURED. UM, SO WITHIN LAND USE, HOUSING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, MOBILITY, WE HAVE GOALS, WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN WITH EACH ONE OF 'EM, WE'VE OUTLINED BEST PRACTICES TO HELP KIND OF ILLUSTRATE WHAT HAS HAPPENED, UM, IN OTHER RELEVANT CITIES THAT COULD FEEL, GIVE SOME, UM, MOMENTUM WHILE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED. UM, THE FIRST CHAPTER, UM, WHICH STARTS THE COMMUNITY SNAPSHOT, WHICH STARTS ON PAGE 16, UM, REALLY GIVES A SUMMARY OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WERE CONDUCTED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE REPORT. UM, ONE THING THAT I JUST WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS, YOU KNOW, BY 2045, N-T-C-N-T-C COG, WHICH IS A NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS, DOES PROJECT THE CITY OF DESOTO TO HAVE A POPULATION TO HAVE INCREASED BY 42%. SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S GONNA BE A HUGE INFLUX OF, UM, POPULATION TO COME TO DESOTO. AND SO THIS PROJECT AND THIS REPORT REALLY, UM, OUTLINE STRATEGIES TO HELP BEST, UM, PUT THE PLAN FORWARD IN TERMS OF HOW TO ACCOMMODATE THAT, THAT FUTURE GROWTH. UM, THE NEXT COUPLE OF PAGES JUST GIVES AN OVERVIEW OF THE DEMOGRAPHICS, THE SOCIOECONOMIC, UM, VULNERABILITY, UM, AND IT OUTLINES EVERYTHING THAT WAS, AND IT WAS PART OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT WE PRESENTED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. NOW, UM, ON SLIDE OR PAGE 24, UM, THIS OUTLINES REALLY THE HOUSING NEED OF THE CITY OF DESOTO, UM, AND ALSO REALLY IDENTIFIES, AND IT SUMMARIZES THE COST BURDEN FOR THOSE THAT WANT TO OWN VERSUS RENT. YES. JUST A POINT OF ORDER. JUST, UM, I THINK WE'RE TRACKING A LITTLE BEHIND YOU. SO WHEN YOU SAY A PAGE, WE'RE ACTUALLY A DIFFERENT PAGE THAN YOUR PAGE. SO WHEN YOU SAY 24, WE WERE ON SOMETHING DIFFERENT, SO I JUST, OH, OKAY. MAYBE IT'S JUST ME. OH, OKAY. OKAY. SORRY. UM, AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T COATE YOURS, BUT BY, BASED ON MINE, YOU DIDN'T WANT ME TO COLLATE IT. I DIDN'T DO A VERY, I DIDN'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB AT THE REPRO CENTER. UM, SO PAGE 24, UM, THIS IS PART OF THE, STILL THIS OVERVIEW OF THE COMMUNITY SNAPSHOT. UM, THE COST BURDEN IDENTIFIES THAT IT 19% OF HOME OWNERSHIP IS GONNA INCREASE. SO PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A HOME. THEY JUST HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING TO BE ABLE TO FIND THAT HOME THAT WITHIN THEIR, UM, THEIR SALARY RANGE. AND SO THAT'S ONE BIG THING THAT WE REALLY LOOKED INTO IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE HOUSING [00:05:01] MARKET ON, UM, PAGE 26. SO THE NEXT PAGE GO DOES AN, UM, AN ANALYSIS OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, CURRENT SPENDING TRENDS. AND, UM, BASED ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN, AND ON PAGE 20, SI 27 OUTLINES, UM, THE CURRENT SPENDING TRENDS BASED ON RETAIL GROCERY STORES. AND FOR THE MOST PART, COMMUNITY MEMBERS OF DESOTO ARE LEAVING TO OTHER CITIES TO DO THEIR SHOPPING AND RETAIL. SO THERE'S A HUGE OPPORTUNITY THERE TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE SOME OF THAT AND, AND BUILD A BIGGER TAX BASE. UM, THE NEXT PAGES 28 OUTLINES THE EXISTING LAND USE. UM, GIVES AN A, A SNAPSHOT, UM, OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING. UM, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING, I KNOW THAT THE, AGAIN, LIKE THE PRINTING, UM, IT'LL BE BETTER. BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S HARD TO READ, MARK IT UP, PLEASE PROVIDE IT TO BESTER. THAT WAY WE CAN INCORPORATE IT, UM, AND MAKE SURE IT'S ADDRESSED. UM, OKAY. SO THEN THE NEXT MAJOR CHAPTER, WHICH IS CHAPTER THREE, IS THE VISION STATEMENT. UM, AND SO ON PAGE 37, IT OUTLINES DE SOTO'S VISION THAT WAS STARTED FROM, UM, THE STEERING COMMITTEE PROVIDING, DOING A VISION CHARETTE OUTLINING KEY WORDS, AND THEN, UH, WE PUT THEM TO WORK TO CREATE VISION STATEMENTS, AND THEN TOGETHER WE HELP THEM, UM, REFINE IT, AND THEN WE PRESENT IT TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, THIS WAS WHAT WAS, UM, DEVELOPED THROUGH THE DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF BEING ABLE TO, UM, HAVE SOMETHING THAT ALL OUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND STRATEGIES WILL, UM, LIVE UP TO CHAPTER FOUR IS ONE OF THE, THE FIRST MAIN CHAPTERS OF THE REPORT, AND PROBABLY THE, THE BIGGEST ONE, UM, THE FUTURE LAND USE. UM, IF WE TURN TO PAGE 40, UM, SO THE SPREAD IS, THERE'S FOUR, THREE GOALS WITHIN LAND, UH, FUTURE LAND USE. UM, THERE'S, SO THERE'S THREE GOALS, AND THEN WE, WITHIN EACH GOAL, THERE'S DIFFERENT NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WITHIN GOAL ONE, TO ACHIEVE GREATER COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN LAND USES TO ENHANCE, PROTECT, AND COMPLEMENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND NATURAL SPACES AND RESOURCES. UM, TWO RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I REALLY WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WERE RECOMMENDATION TWO AND THREE, UM, MOSTLY BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE FEEL, UM, NEED TO BE DONE AS SOON AS IT'S KIND OF APPROVED. UM, YOU KNOW, THE UPDATING THE PERMIT USES IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS TO ALIGN WITH THE VISION STATEMENT. AND THEN ON THREE IS TO UPDATE THE ZONING REGULATIONS FOR NON-RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO SUPPORT IN DEMAND AND DESIRE DEVELOPMENT INTENSIFY ALONG MAJOR CORRIDORS. UM, THIS ONE IS TIED WITH OUR MOBILITY CHAPTER, WHICH WE'LL GET THERE. BUT YOU KNOW, THE BIG THING ABOUT THESE, UM, CHAPTERS IS THAT THEY'RE VERY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MARRIED, RIGHT? YOU CAN'T GET LAND USE WITHOUT MOBILITY, WITHOUT ECONOMIC ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. SO WE TRY TO ALIGN RECOMMENDATIONS UNDER THEIR GOALS THAT WE FELT HAD THE MOST, UM, SUCCESS RATE, UM, WITHIN GOAL TWO, TO FACILITATE NEW COMMERCIAL GROWTH THAT ENHANCES VIBRANCY AND ATTRACTIVENESS OF DESOTO AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE COMMUNITY'S LONG-TERM FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY. UM, REALLY RECOMMENDATION ONE WAS ONE THAT, YOU KNOW, WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT WAS TO BE ABLE TO REVIEW THE CITY'S MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS TO ENSURE PERMITTED USES AND RESIDENTIAL DENSITY SUPPORT, THE DESIRED ACT, ACT, ACTIVE LIFESTYLE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS ALIGNED WITH THE LAND USE AND THE HOUSING, DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES THAT WE'LL BE RECOMMENDING. UM, AND THEN GOAL NUMBER THREE, PROTECT AND CONNECT RESIDENTS TO THE NATURAL AREAS AND FEATURES OF DESOTO. UH, REALLY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THREE AND FOUR. AND AGAIN, THEY'RE ALL AMAZING, BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT KIND OF SPOKE TO ME, UM, IS MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARK, OR AT LEAST, UM, PUT IT AT THE FOREFRONT TO HAVE THOSE AS TALKING POINTS WHEN NEW DEVELOPMENT COMES. UM, OPEN SPACE AND, AND TAKING CARE OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AS OPEN SPACE AND TRAILS IS SOMETHING OF A BIG CONCERN WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. NOW, PAGE 42, WHICH IS THE NEXT PAGE, IS THE DRAFT OR THE FUTURE LAND USE, UM, WHICH, UM, OUTLINES WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR THE FUTURE LAND USE. NOW, THIS WAS AN ITERATION OF USING THE STEERING COMMITTEE AS OUR FIRST, UM, POINTS OF GETTING INPUT IN TERMS OF WHERE WOULD THEY WANNA SEE MORE ACTIVITY, WHERE WOULD THEY WANNA SEE LESS, WHAT DID THEY WANNA PRESERVE. UM, AND THEN BEING ABLE, WE DID A, UM, AN [00:10:01] EXERCISE HERE. WE ALSO TOOK IT TO THE COMMUNITY, SO THIS WAS ONE. UM, AND THEN WE DID DIFFERENT VETTING SESSIONS WITH, UM, CITY STAFF. SO THE FUTURE LAND USE IS ONE THAT WE FEEL IS A GOOD, UM, COMPROMISE AND OVERVIEW OF WHERE WE STAND NOW. UM, IN TERMS OF THE FUTURE LAND USE, UH, THE NEXT PAGES OUTLINES AND, AND REALLY DEFINES THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES OF THOSE FUTURE LAND USES. UM, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT I PROBABLY WOULD HIGHLIGHT IS THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, UM, WHICH IS REALLY FOR THAT ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WE REALLY WANNA BE ABLE TO PRESERVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, OLDER NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DO HAVE THE LARGER, LARGER LOTS. UM, LARGER LOTS MEANS THAT THERE'S GONNA BE LESS PEOPLE AROUND YOU, WHICH MEANS IT'S GONNA BE LOW DENSITY. UM, AND THEN IDENTIFYING WHERE THERE IS THRESHOLDS OF BEING ABLE TO UP THAT DENSITY AND MAYBE INTEGRATING SOME MIXED USE. WITH THE RESIDENTIAL LIVING, AS Y'ALL CAN SEE, UM, IT'S MOSTLY ALONG SPECIFIC CORRIDORS, SPECIFIC INTERSECTIONS, HAMPTON ROAD. UM, AND THEN YOU'LL GET INTO THE NEXT PAGE, 44 AND 45 IS WHERE YOU REALLY GET A LITTLE BIT MORE OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD MIXED USE. AND THEN DESTINATION MIXED USE, DESTINATION. MIXED USE IS REALLY, UM, THINK OF IT AS, AS A DESTINATION, PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO THERE BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF, UM, OPPORTUNITY SET AN EVENT HAPPENING. SO REALLY WANTING TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY AND PROVIDE DIFFERENT MECHANISMS TO HELP, UM, PROVIDE MORE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, UM, AND, UH, AND RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, UM, OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THE CITY. UM, AND THEN THE LAST THREE USES ON PAGE 45 OUTLINES, INDUSTRIAL, PUBLIC, SEMI-PUBLIC, AND THEN PARKS AND OPEN SPACE. UM, THE NEXT CHAPTER, CHAPTER FIVE, HOUSING AND NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, THESE ARE ONES THAT WAS, UM, HAD A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY INPUT, YOU KNOW, STARTED FROM A VISUAL PREFERENCE SURVEY IN TERMS OF WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING DID THEY WANT. UM, THIS WAS ONE WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF GOOD INPUT, UM, FROM THE YOUNGER GENERATION. YOU KNOW, ONES FOLKS THAT WERE STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL THAT, YOU KNOW, WANNA BE ABLE TO COME BACK, BUT THEY WANNA HAVE THESE COOL APARTMENTS. UM, ONE THING I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT ON PAGE 48, THE FUTURE NEED. SO THIS IS A VERY SHORT CON CONDENSED, UM, PARAGRAPH. AND IT HAS, UH, FOLLOWING TABLES THAT REALLY OUTLINES, UM, THE, THE HOUSING NEED. THERE IS A FULL BLOWN HOUSING MARKET ASSESSMENT THAT WE DID THAT WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA BE AN APPENDIX TO THIS REPORT, BUT THIS SUMMARIZES THAT. UM, BY 2045, THERE'S GONNA BE ABOUT A 9,000 HOUSING UNIT NEED IN THE CITY OF DESOTO TO BE ABLE TO HELP THAT OR ACCOMMODATE THAT POPULATION GROWTH. SO THE 9,000, UM, HOUSING NUMBER OF HOUSING USING IT IS THE ONE THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF WHAT AND WHERE SHOULD THOSE 9,000 UNITS GO. UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ALSO HAS TO BE THE PARAMETER OF, UM, WHAT REALLY IS AFFORDABLE FOR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO PURCHASE. SO IT WAS, UM, A FUN GAME TO PLAY WITH THEM, TO REALLY GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE PROS AND CONS AND, YOU KNOW, UM, THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE GENERATION AS WELL. UM, THE NEXT PAGE, 50 AND 51. NOW THIS IS A TOPIC THAT WE WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IN TERMS OF WHAT DOES LIFECYCLE HOUSING TYPES MEAN? UM, LIFECYCLE HOUSING TYPES FOR OPTIONS TO SUPPORT THE DIFFERENT STAGES OF LIFES FOR FAMILIES. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, A RECENT COLLEGE GRADUATE WILL NEED A DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPE, AT LEAST FOR A PRICE POINT THAN A YOUNG FAMILY OF THREE, WHICH IS DIFFERENT FROM A RETIRED COUPLE WITH NO CHILDREN. DESOTO, UH, DESOTO RESIDENTS SHOULD HAVE HOUSING OPTIONS THAT SUPPORT ALL STAGES OF LIFE FROM YOUNG TO OLD. AND SO ALL OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS WITHIN THE HOUSING, UM, CHAPTER REALLY EMBRACES THAT THOUGHT OF LIFECYCLE HOUSING, SO THAT FROM ALL GENERATIONS THERE'S HOUSING UNITS, UM, AND IT OUTLINES DIFFERENT TYPES, WHAT DIFFERENT LIFECYCLE HOUSING TYPES ARE AVAILABLE CURRENTLY, UM, IN GENERAL. AND THEN PAGES 42 AND 43 REALLY OUTLINE THE FOUR MAIN GOALS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED FOR THE HOUSING CHAPTER. UM, YOU KNOW, GOAL ONE PRESERVE AND MAINTAIN THE EXISTING HOUSING STOCK THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. UM, THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS WE NEED TO HELP RESIDENTS BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CURRENT HOMES. SO HOW DO WE DO THAT, YOU KNOW? AND THEN IN THE FOLLOWING PAGES, WE'LL OUTLINE SOME, UM, WAYS THAT WE CAN HELP, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE TOOLS FOR CITY STAFF TO BE ABLE TO HELP THE RESIDENTS, UM, AND THEN BE ABLE TO PROTECT AND ESTABLISH NEW NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGH DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH IS GOAL TWO [00:15:01] AND GOAL THREE, ENCOURAGE NEW HIGH QUALITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO SUPPORT NEW AND ESTABLISHED RESIDENT HOUSING NEEDS. AND ULTIMATELY, GOAL FOUR IS TO TARGET RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN STRATEGIC AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT LEVERAGE ACCESS TO THE CITY'S GROWING ACTIVITY CENTERS. ON PAGE 54, UM, IT OUTLINES THE RESIDENTIAL AREA FRAMEWORK PLAN. NOW THIS OUTLINES THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED. AND THEN IN THE FOLLOWING PAGES, UM, DEFINED AND AND OUTLINED, WHAT DOES THAT NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE? SO THE TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS REALLY TO PRESERVE AND PRE PROTECT THOSE LARGER, UM, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. TRANSITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS REALLY STARTING TO, UH, INCORPORATE THAT LIFESTYLE HOUSING AND BEING ABLE TO BUFFER THE TRADITIONAL HOME NEIGHBORHOODS AND GET INTO A MORE HIGHER DENSITY, UM, HOME UNITS PER ACRE. UM, THE NEXT TWO, UM, ON PAGE 56 IS A NEIGHBORHOOD NODE, AND THAT'S WHERE SMALL SCALE MIX USE SUPPORTS LOCAL GOALS, SERVICES, AND RESIDENTIAL USES. ACTIVE LIFESTYLE NEIGHBORHOODS IS MORE MEDIUM SCALE, DEFINITELY HAS, UM, HIGHER DENSITY OF HOUSING, INTEGRATES, COMMERCIAL RETAIL, SOME LIGHT ENTERTAINMENT, POTENTIAL OFFICE AND OPEN SPACES. AND THEN HAMPTON ROAD, BECAUSE OF THE HUGE EFFORT THAT THE CITY IS DOING FOR HAMPTON ROAD, WE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CALLED OUT THAT AS A SPECIFIC HOUSING, UM, AREA SO THAT THE CHARACTER CODES AND, UM, ALL THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED IN THE HAMPTON ROAD ARE STILL GONNA BE, UM, INCORPORATED. SO BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT AS KIND OF A WINDOW SAYING, HERE'S HAMPTON ROAD. AND THEN YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE HAMPTON ROAD CHARACTER CODE AND, AND THE HOUSING THAT'S BEEN IDENTIFIED, WHICH WILL BE A PART OF THE REPORT AS WELL. UM, AND THEN IT GOES INTO, YOU KNOW, BEST PRACTICES. UM, AND THEN THE NEXT COUPLE OF PAGES REALLY OUTLINES DIFFERENT THEMES OR OPPORTUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO UP ZONE TO ALIGN WITH LAND USE, FOR INSTANCE. UM, ON THE TOP OF PAGE 58, UM, THE UP ZONE AND ALIGN WITH LAND USE IS KIND OF REALLY TIES WITH GOAL THREE. RECOMMENDATION ONE, WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO EXPAND THE CITY WITH NEWER LIFESTYLE HOUSING UNITS, LOOKING AT WHERE STRATEGICALLY AND NOT THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE CITY, BUT WHERE ARE THOSE AREAS THAT WE COULD UP THE HOUSING DENSITY, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE CONNECTED TO, UM, RESIDENT OR TO ENTERTAINMENT AND, UM, RETAIL SPACES. AND THEN, UM, THE NEXT ONE'S, YOU KNOW, ON PAGE 59 REDUCE BARRIERS TO HOME OWNERSHIP. THERE'S SOME BEST PRACTICES IN TERMS OF, UM, MAINTAIN EXISTING HOUSEHOLD HOUSING, WHICH REALLY ALIGNS WITH GOAL ONE, RECOMMENDATION ONE, TO BE ABLE TO HELP PROVIDE HOME REPAIR PROGRAMS SO THAT, UM, WE CAN MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THE EXISTING HOUSING UNITS THAT THERE ARE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR KEEP GOING? YEAH. OKAY. UM, UH, NOW AGAIN, ALL THESE GIVES RECOMMENDATIONS, BEST PRACTICE. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT IS THE ONE THAT HAS TO GO THROUGH, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE THE CITY ENOUGH TOOLS IN THE TOOLKIT. UM, PAGE 60 AND 61 CONTINUES THAT THOUGHT PROCESS. UM, ALSO IDENTIFIES, YOU KNOW, THE OPPORTUNITY FOR, YOU KNOW, WHERE THERE IS, UM, THE HIGHER HOUSING UNITS, UM, YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO IS IT AVAILABLE FOR ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS SO THAT THERE COULD BE THAT MULTI-GENERATIONAL LI UM, FAMILIES LIVING THERE AND ALSO HELP WITH THE TAX BASE AT THE SAME TIME. UM, AND THEN OPPORTUNITIES TO LOOK, UM, AND ENCOURAGED FOR QUALITY MATERIALS AND DESIGNS TO BE INCORPORATED AND NEW HOUSINGS, UM, UNITS ARE BEING DESIGNED. AND THEN ON PAGE 63, UM, THIS ONE WAS ONE WHERE WE WANTED TO REALLY BE ABLE TO PROMOTE CONSERVATION DESIGN, UM, IDEAS IN TERMS OF WHEN DEVELOPMENT NEW DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO PROMOTE, UM, NEW NEIGHBORHOODS TO HAVE STANDARDS THAT FOSTER COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP AND REALLY EMBRACE AND HELP IMPROVE THE CURRENT, UM, OPEN SPACES THAT ARE, ARE THERE, GIMME YOUR LAST NAME AGAIN. SALVAN. SANCE. MM-HMM. . UM, LET, I'M GONNA PAUSE RIGHT THERE. MM-HMM. . UM, AND SEE IF OUR, UM, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO FURTHER. YES. COMMISSIONER LL UH, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, BOWER HAS A MICROPHONE THERE. YES. GARY RNE. UM, UH, UM, SLIDE 48, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THE FUTURE HOUSING UNITS [00:20:01] OVER 9,000, I WAS WONDERING, OR YOU ALL, OR DO YOU HAVE INFORMATION DEMOGRAPHICALLY WHAT THE CITY WILL LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS AGE? AND THEN ALSO WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING UNITS DO THEY THINK THAT WE WILL NEED FROM SINGLE FAMILY HOMES TO DIFFERENT TYPES? AND THE REASON I'M ASKING THAT QUESTION IS, AS WE ARE DOING PLANNING AND ZONING ACTIVITIES MM-HMM. , WE NEED TO BE FUTURE SIGHTED AS TO KNOW ARE WE DOING TOO MANY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES? DO WE NEED TO DO OTHER TYPES OF MIXED USES AND THINGS? SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, DO WE KNOW A DEMOGRAPHICALLY THE AGE, HOW THE MAKEUP WILL LOOK FOR THE CITY OF DESOTO IN 2045? AND THEN SECONDLY, WHAT TYPE OF HOUSING UNITS WOULD WE NEED? YES. UM, WE DO HAVE THAT. UM, AND SO DO WE NOT HAVE IT? NO, I DON'T KNOW IF IT MADE IT INTO THE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE, WHICH WILL BE AN APPENDIX, THE HOUSING, THE DETAILED HOUSING MARKET ANALYSIS THAT WE DID, WHICH IS BASED ON AND OUTLINES WHAT THE PROJECTION OF THAT, UM, 45% INCREASE IN POPULATION. IT ACTUALLY GOES INTO DETAIL IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR, UH, ECONOMIC BRACKET WILL BE IN. AND SO THAT'S TIED TO THE TYPES OF HOUSING IN TERMS OF FROM A RENTER OR OWNERSHIP, THE HOME VALUE OF WHAT SHOULD BE BUILT, WHETHER IT'S ONE BEDROOM, A STUDIO, ONE BEDROOM, TWO BEDROOM, OR THREE BEDROOM. UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THAT WITH ME TODAY, BUT I, WE, I KNOW WE DO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE HOUSING MARKET ANALYSIS THAT WE DID. ONE FOLLOW UP. MM-HMM. . SO BASED ON THAT, ARE YOU SAYING, UM, THE HOUSING, ARE WE GONNA BE A DEFICIT OF 9,000 UNITS IN 2045? THERE WILL BE A DEFICIT. AND DOES THAT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE CURRENT, UH, GROWTH RATE OR, UH, BUILDING THAT WE'RE DOING NOW? OR IS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE 9,000 HOMES SHORT BY 2041. AS OF WHEN WE DID THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHICH WAS I THINK FIVE MONTHS AGO, SIX, MY MEMORY'S NOT THE GREATEST. UM, IT WAS BASELINE. HOW MUCH DOES THE CITY CURRENTLY HAVE VERSUS A PROJECTION THAT WAS BASED ON NCT COGS, UM, GROWTH PROJECTION. AND SO THE 9,000 DOES NOT TAKE IN CONSIDERATION ANYTHING THAT HAS BEEN PLANNED OR APPROVED AS OF TODAY. AND I'LL MAKE SURE TO IT'S CLEAR. COMMISSIONER OVER HERE ON THIS END. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. UH, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HOUSING, I WASN'T GOING TO MAKE THIS COMMENT, BUT I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING A VARIETY OF HOUSING TO ATTRACT MULTI-GENERATIONAL DEMOGRAPHICS. BUT THE PICTURES THAT ARE BEING USED, I THINK AS WE THINK ABOUT APPROVING THIS COMP PLAN, MANY FOLKS ARE GOING TO EITHER CLICK ON THE WEBSITE AND READ IT AND MAINLY LOOK AT PICTURES. I THINK THE PICTURES THAT WE'RE USING REALLY SHOULD BE UPGRADED TO THESE, THESE ARE OLD STOCK PICTURES AND THEY NEED TO BE UPGRADED TO REALLY SPEAK TO, UM, THE DIVERSE HOUSING. IF WE'RE GOING TO GET BUY-IN, IF I LOOKED AT THESE PICTURES AND I WAS A YOUNG PERSON COMING TO DESOTO, THIS WOULD NOT GET ME BUY-IN IF THIS IS THE TYPE OF HOUSING THAT I THOUGHT THE CITY WAS GOING TO LOOK AT, UM, BUILDING IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BROOKS, UM, COMMISSION, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO COUNSEL? OKAY. HEARING DONE, COUNSEL, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT UM, MODULE? OKAY. HEARING DONE? YES. YES, YES. UM, SO HELP ME OUT. SO, UH, TONIGHT IT'S JUST AN OVERVIEW. IF WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, WE'RE SENDING THOSE IN. OKAY. WE'RE SENDING THOSE IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THE NEXT THING IS, UM, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF CO-SIGN ON HER MENTIONING OF THE PICTURES, THE IMAGES THAT WE SEE. AND ACTUALLY, UM, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE ACTUALLY SEE SPOTS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE HERE IN DESOTO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CURRENT ONES AS YOU'RE DESCRIBING. 'CAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I GET A LITTLE BIT OF LOST AND THERE'S NO RESIDENCE OR CONNECTION WITH IT TO TAKE ME FURTHER INTO THE DOCUMENT. BUT THE OTHER PIECE WAS, WAS, UM, SO WHEN WE SAY, WE'LL, WE'LL BE SHORT TO 10,000, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU USE THAT TERMINOLOGY OR NOT, OR THE PROJECTION IS OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING UP TO AN ADDITIONAL 10,000 PEOPLE IN SO MANY YEARS, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT, IT REALLY WOULD BE OUR METROPLEX IS ATTRACTING, IS PROJECTED TO ATTRACT THAT MANY PEOPLE. AND IF WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO GROW THE CITY, THE CITY OF DESOTO, THEN THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO EXPAND TO THIS CERTAIN NUMBER, TO THAT PROJECTION 'CAUSE AND, AND I'M, AND I'M EXPLAINING LIKE THAT 'CAUSE I HAVE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND IT MYSELF, UM, IN THAT, [00:25:01] UM, IT GIVES THE IMPRESSION THAT WE'RE SHORT HOUSING AND OR THAT WE HAVE A HOUSING ISSUE HERE IN DESOTO. AND SO I DON'T KNOW THAT, AND MAYBE THAT'S IN THE ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, UM, JUST, JUST FROM NCT COG OR YOU KNOW, WHOMEVER, UM, WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS AND WHAT THAT PART LOOKS LIKE. AND SO I KNOW IN DALLAS THEY TALK ABOUT WE'RE SHORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT JUST TO SAY WE'RE SHORT HOUSING PERIOD WHERE PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, HAVE DIFFERENT CHOICES. SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. AT LEAST IT'S FOR ME, UM, TO UNDERSTAND THAT PIECE. BUT THEN THE OTHER, OTHER WAS, UM, IN YOUR ANALYSIS, UM, DID YOU TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD NEED, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A HOUSE AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A HOUSE PER SQUARE FOOT, YOU KNOW, AND WHAT IT COSTS TO MAINTAIN THE PER SQUARE FOOT IN OUR CITY ACCORDING TO OUR CITY SERVICES, THINGS LIKE THAT. DID WE BREAK IT DOWN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL OF, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH WE WOULD NEED IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS OR SO MANY YEARS IN, IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING SERVICES, IMPROVING SERVICES, AND EVEN AS WE EXPAND? UM, NO, ANSWER THE QUESTION. YES. THERE'S A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN THAT ONE QUESTION. OKAY. THAT'S ALRIGHT. SO, UM, THE WHAT, SO WHEN WE ACCOUNTED FOR, SO WE LOOK AT PAGE 22, UM, WE CAN SEE WHICH IS PART OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. UM, CURRENTLY DESOTO HAS, DOESN'T HAVE A, A INFLUX OF HUGE MAR LIKE THERE'S NOT THAT MANY VACANT HOUSES. I MEAN THERE'S, IF YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT TABLE, THE HOUSING VACANCY, THERE'S, UM, IN 2010 THERE WAS A 91% THAT WERE FULLY OCCUPIED AND NOW THERE'S A 94% THAT, THAT ARE OCCUPIED. SO THE, THE 9,000 HOUSING NEED THAT WERE MENTIONED IS BASED ON THE PROJECTION OF POPULATION GROWTH. NOW, IT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR IF WE WANT TO, THAT'S JUST SAYING THE POPULATION THAT'S CURRENTLY LIVING IN THE, IN THE CITY IS GONNA CONTINUE TO GROW BY 2045, IT'LL HAVE GROWN BY 45%. AND I CAN GET THAT EXACT NUMBER. SO YOU SAY THE CURRENT POPULATION HERE, YOU MEANING, UM, FAMILIES HAVING BABIES AND CONTINUE. MM-HMM. . IF WE WANNA MAIN, IF WE WANNA KEEP OUR RESIDENTS, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. MM-HMM, . OKAY. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. YES, OF COURSE. YES. UM, AND SO THAT HOUSING AND WHAT I CAN MAKE SURE IS PART OF GO PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT, WE CAN ADD SOME MORE 'CAUSE WE HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION FOR THE HOUSING ANALYSIS IS TO BRING IT IN HERE IN TERMS OF, WE DO HAVE, BASED ON THAT PROJECTION, UM, THE TYPE, THE HOME VALUE OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE PROVIDED IS GIVEN. UM, AND SO, AND IT DOES GIVE A BREAKDOWN OF THE NUMBER OF UNITS. UM, THE ONE THING THAT WOULD REASON WHY WE DIDN'T INCLUDE IT TO BEGIN WITH WAS THIS IS WE DIDN'T WANNA GO TOO MUCH, YOU KNOW, OVERWHELM THE COMMUNITY IN TERMS OF THE TYPES, THE EXACT NOMENCLATURE OF THE, UM, NUMBER OF BILL, NUMBER OF BEDROOMS OR THE HOME VALUE. UM, BUT IT WILL BE THE PENS AND IT'LL BE IN THIS TOOLKIT THAT WE PROVIDE TO THE CITY AT THE END. SO WHEN DEVELOPMENT IS GETTING APPROVED, THEY'LL HAVE IT BASED ON THE MA THE ME METRICS, UM, MATRIX, UM, BASED ON OKAY, HOW MANY DO WE NEED OF THIS NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, THIS HOME VALUE? UM, BUT WE CAN INCLUDE SOME MORE OF THAT INFORMATION INTO THE REPORT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION THUS FAR. THANK YOU. PLANNING AND ZONING FOR YOUR VERY THOUGHT PROVOKING, UM, CONCERNS. I JUST, I WANT CLARIFICATION ON TWO OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE GOALS THAT WERE LISTED ON GOAL ONE THAT SAYS, ACHIEVE GREATER COMPATIBILITY BETWEEN LAND USES TO ENHANCE PROTECTING, UH, COMPLEMENT RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND NATURAL SPACE AND RESOURCES ON THE, UH, SECOND RECOMMENDATION. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO GET, UH, WHENEVER THERE'S A PLANNING AND ZONING CASE THAT IS IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, WE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT IF I CAN, IF I'M A BETTING WOMAN, WHICH I'M NOT, BUT IF I WAS, I CAN COUNT ON RESIDENTS TO COME DOWN. RIGHT. UM, IN THIS YOU SAID UPDATE PERMITTED, UH, USES IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT TO ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S ASPIRATION FOR A CLEANER INDUSTRIAL FUTURE. AND I JUST WANTED TO YOU TO ELABORATE ON WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU SAYING WHEN YOU SAY THAT? UM, UM, 'CAUSE I THINK THAT COULD, THAT MEANS SEVERAL THINGS, RIGHT? SO I JUST, I JUST WAS CURIOUS ON WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE FROM A CREATING PERMIT USES THAT CREATE A CLEANER INDUSTRIAL, UM, AND THEN FOR THE SECOND GOAL, WHICH SAYS FACILITATE NEW COMMERCIAL GROWTH THAT ENHANCES THE VIBRANCE AND VIBRANCY AND ATTRACTIVENESS OF DESOTO TO, UH, AND CONTRIBUTES TO THE COMMUNITY'S LONG-TERM FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY. ON THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER THREE, IT SAYS STREAMLINE THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. PROCESS BY REZONING APPROPRIATE AREAS CURRENTLY ZONED AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS TO ALIGNMENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. AND I KNOW YOU TALKED A LOT ABOUT THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HOUSING, BUT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT [00:30:01] MOVING FROM A PLAN DEVELOPMENT TO A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, ARE WE ESSENTIALLY JUST FOR CLARITY, RIGHT? 'CAUSE I'M, I DON'T LIVE, I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS WORLD. SO ARE WE SAYING THAT WE WILL UPDATE THOSE AS DEFINED BY THE MAP THAT YOU GAVE US THAT BROKE THIS DOWN INTO MEDIAN HIGH? OR I GUESS HOW, WHAT IS THE TERMINOLOGY? WHAT DOES RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS MEAN IN YOUR TERM? THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT SAYS MEAN TO THE, THE LOW DENSITY, MEDIUM DENSITY. OH, OKAY. AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO, UM, OR GUARDRAIL IN TERMS OF WHICH ONE IT WAS. SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS, AS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS FOR THE CITY STAFF AND P AND Z TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THOSE THAT ARE CURRENTLY PLANNED PD IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PLAN, YOU KNOW, ZONE THEM AS AN OTHER TYPE OF RESIDENTIAL ZONING AND THEN UP TO, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSION IN TERMS OF WHICH ONE THAT IT SHOULD BE DONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . AND THAT'S FOR THE INDUSTRIAL HISTORY? YES. SO FOR THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, THE ONE THING THAT WE WANTED TO DO, UM, AND IF WE SEE ON THE, UH, PAGE 42, UM, AND I'M REALIZING THAT THAT ONE YEAH. UM, WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO MAXIMIZE ON THE, OKAY. LET'S, OKAY. YEAH. SO REALLY BEING ABLE TO MAXIMIZE AND DO MORE OF THE INDUSTRIAL USES. SO ALONG THE NORTH 35, EAST BELOW THE 20, I SAY 20, UM, CLEAN IN TERMS OF IS THERE A WAY TO, DEPENDING ON WHAT COULD BE DONE, BUT UM, PRIORITIZE MORE OFFICE SPACES. YOU KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK INTO REDUCTION OF, OF PARKING SPACES OR HOW CAN WE MAKE SURE THAT THE SERVICES THAT ARE HAPPENING THERE AND ACTIVITY, UM, ARE MORE INTERRELATED IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY NEED FROM THE CITY? UM, AND SO JUST KIND OF RE-LOOKING AT THE INDUSTRIAL, HAVING THEM MORE CONGREGATED TOGETHER IN SURE. INSTEAD OF, AND INTENSIFYING THE DENSITY THAT THEY HAVE THERE ALONG THAT AREA. YEAH. WELL ONE OF THE, THE, THE, THE THOUGHTS THERE WAS THAT WE HAVE A, AN INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT IS PRIMARILY LIGHT INDUSTRIAL, RIGHT? IT REALLY DOESN'T HAVE ANY HEAVY INDUSTRIAL USERS. THE THOUGHT WAS CREATING A MORE COHESIVE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR AND THEN LOOKING AT WHAT INDUSTRIAL USES WE HAVE AND BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, CON CONSISTENT WITH MORE LIGHT INDUSTRIAL USE AS OPPOSED TO HEAVIER, HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL USE. UM, IN THERE, IN THAT WAY, MAKING IT A CLEANER, GREENER TYPE OF AN INDUSTRIAL AREA THAN IT WOULD OTHERWISE, UM, BE IF IT HAD HEAVIER INDUSTRIAL USERS. AND IF WE COMPARE, UH, PAGE 30, WHICH IS THE CURRENT ZONING TO PAGE 42, WHICH IS THE, THE FUTURE, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE IS, UM, A LARGER AREA THAT WE'RE KIND OF CAPTURING IN TERMS OF INDUSTRIAL. AND SO REALLY LOOKING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR INFILL THAT WOULD NEED DIFFERENT TYPES OF DESIGN STANDARDS OR STANDOFFS, RIGHT? ARE THERE AREAS OPPORTUNITIES TO PUT IN MORE, UM, COLLABORATIVE COWORKING SPACES TYPE OF THING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CATEGORIZE AS INDUSTRIAL? AND THUS, BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF AN INDUSTRIAL USE, WE COULD BE, UM, A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE IN TERMS OF THE STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED THERE SO THAT YOU CAN MAXIMIZE MORE INFILL. MM-HMM, . THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. AND THAT'LL BE OUR LAST, UH, COMMENT QUESTION, UH, FOR COUNCIL. OKAY. I THINK I ONLY HAVE TWO. CUT YOUR MIC BACK ON YOU. CUT. I THINK I ONLY HAVE TWO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATIONS THUS FAR, AND THANK YOU FOR YOU ALL'S, UH, THOUGHTS ON, UH, SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE HOUSING. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE HOUSING. YOU MENTIONED 9,000. SHE TRIED TO CLARIFY, UH, WHAT THAT MEANT. I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND, WERE YOU TO SAY BASED ON THE HOUSING MARKET IN 2045, RIGHT? MM-HMM, 25, THAT THERE WOULD BE, UM, 9,000 LESS HOMES OR WHAT? I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU HELP ME? YOU NEED TO REREAD THE, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ABOUT WHAT COG IS TALKING ABOUT? YES. OF THE POPULATION. YEAH. THAT'S WHAT SHE TO HEAR. OKAY. UM, YES. SO THE, OKAY, SO WE, SO ON PAGE 17, UM, THAT GIVES A BREAKDOWN OF THE CURRENT. SO FIGURE 2.1 HAS THE CURRENT POPULATION BREAKDOWN, RIGHT? UM, AND IT HAS THE DEMOGRAPHICS, UM, WHICH IS USED THROUGH THE CENSUS DATA. NOW THE POPULATION, WHICH IS THAT SUBHEADER, UM, THE SECOND PARA, THE SECOND SENTENCE SAYS THE NORTH NCT COG PROJECTS, THE GROWTH WILL CONTINUE WITHIN [00:35:01] THE CITY OF DESOTO AND ANTICIPATES IT TO GROW TO 42 PER PERCENT INCREASE. SO THUS BY 2045, THERE'LL BE AN ADDITIONAL 87,000 PEOPLE IN DESOTO ON TOP OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON TOP OF WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE. 87,000, 87,256,000 TOTAL. OKAY. SO THAT'S ONLY ANOTHER 30,000 IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR, OR, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M, IT MAY BE 30,000 INDIVIDUALS, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT THAT DOESN'T, IT, IT WOULDN'T BE 30,000 UNITS NEEDED BECAUSE YOU HAVE FAMILIES, DIFFERENT PEOPLE. SO IT'S, IT'S THE, HOW THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS, UM, IS, IS SOMEWHAT EQUATES TO THAT NUMBER IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE FAMILIES OR INDIVIDUALS OR GROUPS OR WHATEVER WOULD BE NEEDED WOULD BE NEEDED AT THAT TIME. I THINK TO YOUR QUESTION, YOU WERE ASKING WOULD WE BE HAVING THAT LESS UNITS? IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY YES. HOWEVER, IT'S THAT AMOUNT THAT WOULD BE NEEDED TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AMOUNT OF GROWTH. MM-HMM, . OKAY. AND THEN, UH, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS A LITTLE, UH, DIFFERENT WAS ABOUT PAGE 27 WHEN YOU WERE, WHEN YOU HAVE THE GRAPHICS THERE AND YOU HAVE DUNCANVILLE, I WAS JUST WONDERING, JUST BASED ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS, OR SHOULD I SAY THE, UH, POPULATIONS, UM, THERE IS A 30,000 DO, UH, 30,000 PERSON DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO CITIES. WAS THERE A REASON THAT WE CHOSE DUNCANVILLE FOR, UM, THIS PARTICULAR METRIC? I JUST WAS WONDERING, OH, YOU'RE, WAS THERE ANY REAL SPECIFICS THERE? UM, NO, I THINK WHAT WE DID WHEN WE WERE DOING THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WAS LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT CITIES IN THE SURROUNDING AND THEN, UM, THE ONE THAT WE SAW THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WE LOOKED INTO LIKE, WHAT IS DUNCANVILLE REALLY PROVIDING THAT DESOTO DOESN'T HAVE VERSUS THE OTHER, UM, SURROUNDING CITIES. OH, OKAY. AND THEN, UH, LAST THING, UH, I THINK, UM, COMMISSIONER BROOKS BROUGHT UP THE PICTURES. UM, JUST ONE THING I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, WHILE I WAS READING IT, UH, I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME KIND OF CORRELATING EVERYTHING AND BECAUSE YOU'RE USING THE GOALS AND THEN YOU'RE EXPLAINING, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY TO ADD A LITTLE BIT, A FEW MORE NUMBERS TO SAY GOAL THREE, IS THIS GOAL FOUR? IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING JUST TO KIND OF DRAW PEOPLE IN, BECAUSE I THINK IF I WAS READING AS I READ IT, I READ IT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, SOMEONE ELSE MIGHT BE READING IT THINKING, WELL, HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CORRELATE ALL THIS TOGETHER? OKAY. IS, IS REALLY, SO THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD COMMENT. AND YES, I AM GOING TO MAKE, I MADE A BIG NOTE ON THE DEMOGRAPHICS, UM, TO REALLY OUTLINE POPULATION NUMBERS, NOT JUST PERCENTAGES, SO THAT IT'S VERY CLEAR. THANK YOU. WE CAN CONTINUE WITH MODULE SIX. COOL. UM, I THINK WHERE WE LEFT OFF WAS ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CHAPTER CHAPTER SIX, UM, WHICH WAS PAGE 65. SO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THIS CHAPTER PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT REALLY IS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO THE CITY. UM, THE ONE BIG THING IN, I KNOW WE HAD A, UH, PUBLIC MEETING OR AN OPEN HOUSE TO REALLY KIND OF HELP EXPLAIN TO THE COMMUNITY WHY THERE NEEDS TO BE A REVIEW IN TERMS OF HOW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HELPS THE CITY THRIVE, RIGHT? AND WHY THE, WHY IS THERE THE NEED TO HAVE MORE HOUSING UNITS, NOT ONLY IN ADDITION TO HAVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, SATISFY THE NEW POPULATION GROWTH, BUT ALSO, UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN HOMES AND AMENITIES ARE BEING PROVIDED. UM, FIGURE 6.1 REALLY KIND OF OUTLINES WHAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOES FOR THE CITY. UM, AND BASED ON THE TAX BASIS, UM, THAT IS A DERIVATIVE OF THAT ECONOMIC ACTIVITY OF A CITY, THE CITY ITSELF CAN BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SERVICES TO THEIR COMMUNITY MEMBERS. UM, AND SO THE PAGE 66 REALLY OUTLINES THE REASON WHY WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. AND IT'S A CRUCIAL TOPIC POINT AS WE TALK ABOUT FUTURE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION AND, AND HOUSING IS MAKING SURE THAT IDEALLY AS A CITY HAS REVENUES, THEIR EXPENDITURES ARE ALIGNED. NOW, IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO, AS TIME GETS, AS TIME PROGRESSES, EVERYTHING IS GOING, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE'S GONNA AGE, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIX THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT IF YOU DON'T, SO YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, YOUR, YOUR EXPENDITURES, YOUR COST TO REPAIR, YOUR COST OF SALARY INCREASES, YOUR COST OF THE NEW THINGS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS ARE GONNA KEEP GOING UP. AND IF YOU DON'T PROVIDE NEW WAYS TO, TO IDENTIFY AND CAPTURE REVENUE, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A GAP. THE CITY'S GONNA COME TO A POINT WHERE IT'S GONNA COST MORE TO MAINTAIN THEIR CITY [00:40:01] AND THEIR AMENITIES THAN THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO PAY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT MORE REVENUE BEING CREATED. AND SO THAT IS REALLY WHAT, YOU KNOW, AGING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND LOOKING AT WAYS TO ADDRESS THIS GAP WAS REALLY THE MAIN FOCUS WHEN WE WERE DOING THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS, I GET IT. YOU KNOW, WE HEARD A LOT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT MIXED USE. WE DON'T WANT APARTMENTS, WE DON'T WANT DENSITY, BUT WE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO SHOW THEM AND ILLUSTRATE THAT. IF WE DON'T IDENTIFY OPPORTUNITIES, WHETHER FROM RETAIL OR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL OR UM, HOME, YOU KNOW, NEW HOMES, THEN WE NEED TO BE CREATIVE IN TERMS OF HOW ARE WE GOING TO HELP THE CITY BE ABLE TO, UM, INCREASE THEIR, THEIR REVENUE AND BEING ABLE TO OBTAIN, UM, ADDITIONAL TAX BASIS TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE ON TOP OF THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO PROPERLY SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. UM, SO OBVIOUSLY I SPOKE MORE THAN WHAT IS WRITTEN HERE, UM, BUT IF Y'ALL FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE MORE, WE CAN ADD MORE. UM, THIS WAS ONE WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD ONE WHOLE FULL COMMUNITY, UM, MEETING FOR THIS, UM, AND WE HAD VERY FOCUSED DISCUSSION ON IT, SO WE DON'T WANNA OBVIOUSLY GIVE TOO MUCH TOO LITTLE, BUT LET US KNOW IF WE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO RAMP IT UP OR WE NEED TO PUT MORE MEAT ON THIS. UM, BUT REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE TWO BIG QUESTIONS IS HOW ARE WE GONNA BE ADDRESSING THE, THE, THE GAP ONE IS DO WE INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TAXPAYERS THAT PAY PROPERTY TAXES, WHICH IS REQUIRING MORE HOUSING UNITS, OR DO WE INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF TAXES THAT ARE PAID PER ACRE, WHICH IS DONE BY CH OH, BY CHANGING THE ALLOWED DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS. UM, AND SO ON OPPORTUNITY NUMBER ONE, WE KNOW ONE THING WAS WHEN WE LOOKED AT IS THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH, AND WE HAVE, AND YOU KNOW WHAT, NOW THAT I'M SAYING THAT, I THINK I WANNA BRING IN THAT THE ILLUSTRATION, UM, WHERE IT SHOWS THE AMOUNT OF TAX REVENUE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS AND THE REVENUE THAT THE CITY WILL GET OUT OF IT, RIGHT? AND SO IT WAS A DIAGRAM AND YEAH, WE'LL MAKE SURE TO BRING IT IN, UM, WHERE IT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IF YOU HAVE ONE HOUSE OR NUMBER FOUR HOUSES ON A ONE ANCHOR PROPERTY, YOU GET THIS MUCH OF REVENUE TAXES. BUT IF YOU, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE EXTREME OF HAVING MORE OF A MIXED USE AND HAVE D DWELLING UNITS PLUS COMMERCIAL OR RETAIL ACTIVITIES, YOU GET THIS TYPE OF PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, OR REVENUE TAXES, WHICH IS NOT EVEN QUADRUPLE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS EXPONENTIAL AMOUNT BECAUSE YOU HAVE ALL THAT DIFFERENT, UM, ACTIVITY HAPPENING IN THE SAME, YOU KNOW, ACRE BASICALLY. UM, SO THIS WAS WHEN I'M KIND OF SETTING THE STAGES, IT'S NOT JUST ADDRESSING THE HOUSING UNIT, BUT IT'S ALSO BEING CREATIVE TO BE ABLE TO DRIVE MORE, UM, REVENUE TAX BASE FOR THE CITY. UM, AND THEN WE OUTLINE EVERYTHING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY AND IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING WITHIN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, UM, DEPARTMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY HAPPENING THAT WE WANTED TO TAKE AN AND EMBRACE AND THEN OUTLINES THE FOUR GOALS, UM, THAT WE'VE WORKED, UM, WITH THE STEERING COMMITTEE, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS VERY CLOSELY WITH THE EDC, UM, TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE FULLY CAPTURED. UM, YOU KNOW, GOALS 1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS CONTINUOUSLY THRIVING, RIGHT? AND IT'S CONTINUOUSLY CHANGING. SO THE WAY THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WROTE THESE GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WERE IN A WAY THAT THEY WERE BROAD STROKE, BUT GAVE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT REALLY, UM, WE WANTED TO GO INTO IN TERMS OF THE CITY AND AND DEVELOPMENT. UM, GOAL ONE IS TO BROADEN AND DIVERSIFY THE TAX BASE INTO SOTO TO EMPHASIZE TARGETED IN TARGETED INCREASES IN DENSITY AND COMMERCIAL USES THAT WILL DRIVE MORE SUSTAINABLE REVENUE PER ACRE YIELDS. NOW THAT GOES HAND IN HAND WITH THE LAND USE MAP THAT SHOWS THAT THERE ARE SOME, AND IT'S VERY STRATEGIC IN TERMS OF WHERE THERE IS THAT MIXED USE AND HIGHER, UM, HOUSING UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH WILL HELP DRIVE, UM, A MORE DIVERSIFIED TAX BASE. UM, AND THEN THERE'S SIX RECOMMENDATIONS WITH, WITH, UM, UNDER GOAL ONE. UM, THE ONE THAT WE WERE EXCITED AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY WAS MOST EXCITED ABOUT WAS RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS TO ENSURE THAT NEW DESTINATION MIXED USE ZONING DISTRICTS, UM, ARE INCORPORATED AND THAT THEY'RE, UM, IDENTIFIED FOR DESIRED DEVELOPMENT AND LOOKED AT KIND OF MORE OF THE ACTIVE LIFESTYLE NEIGHBORHOODS. UM, GOAL TWO IS TO PROMOTE, ATTRACT, RETAIN, AND EXPAND OF BUSINESSES TO PROVIDE WELL PAYING EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO DESOTO RESIDENTS. UM, ONE IS, YOU KNOW, THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE UNDER GOAL TWO IS THAT THE EDC DOES DO A FIVE YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT ONE THING THAT WE [00:45:01] WANTED TO MAKE SURE, AGAIN, WITH THAT BROAD STROKE IS THAT STRATEGIC PLAN IS GONNA OUTDATE THESE, THESE, THIS, UM, COMP PLAN. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE LEFT THAT, THAT WINDOW SO THAT WHEN SOMETHING DOES OCCUR, IT IS STILL ALIGNED WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO BE ALIGNED WITH WHAT THE CITY WANTS TO DO IN THE FUTURE. GOAL THREE IS TO MAXIMIZE THE VALUE OF THE CITY'S EXISTING INDUSTRIAL AREAS BY TRACKING MORE DIVERSE NON LOGISTICAL BUSINESSES. UM, AND SO ONE IS THERE, KIND OF GOING TO THE COMMENT THAT WAS MENTIONED REGARDING THE INDUSTRIAL AREA ON RECOMMENDATION NUMBER FOUR UNDER GOAL THREE IS TO REVIEW AND REVISE THE CITY'S INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICTS AND PERMIT USE CHARTS TO SUPPORT FUTURE DESIRE CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE MORE, UM, COWORKING SPACES, YOU KNOW, JUST MORE INFILL THAT WE CAN, UM, HELP DIVERSIFY THAT TAX SPACE. UM, AND THEN GOAL NUMBER FOUR IS TO LEVERAGE ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES PRESENTED BY MAJOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS WITHIN AND AROUND THE CITY OF DESOTO. UM, RECOMMENDATION NUMBER ONE IS TO REALLY WORK, UM, CLOSELY INTO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY OF WHAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING IN THE SURROUNDING AREA OF DESOTO, NOT NECESSARILY WITHIN DESOTO, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LEFT BEHIND, RIGHT. THAT CONNECTION, UM, OF ALONG 6 67 AS WELL AS LOOP NINE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE CHANGE THAT'S HAPPENING, THAT'S, IT'S NOT WITHIN CITY OF DESOTO, BUT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE PROACTIVE AND ENSURE THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE OUR PIECE OF THE PIE AND BRING PEOPLE TO WANNA SPEND AND, AND SPEND SOME TIME IN THE CITY OF DESOTO AND POTENTIALLY WANNA MOVE HERE TO HELP DIVERSIFY THAT TAX BASE. UM, THE NEXT PAGE, PAGE 70, UM, REALLY HAS THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AREAS FRAMEWORK. THIS IS ALIGNED WITH THE, FOR WHAT WE KNOW IS FROM THE HAMPTON ROAD, YOU KNOW, REALLY CALLING OUT WHAT ALL THAT EFFORT IS HAPPENING THERE, UM, BUT REALLY BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE OTHER SMALLER MORE, UM, EDC OR, OR, UM, INDUSTRY BASED DISTRICTS THAT COULD BE CREATED, WHETHER THEY BE MORE DESTINATIONS, UM, OR MIXED USE, UM, OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG, THE HOSPITAL OR HEALTHCARE DISTRICTS. UM, AND THEN BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT COUPLE OF PAGES OUTLINE WHAT THOSE, UM, COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AREAS COULD LOOK LIKE. UM, ON PAGE 74, UH, SUPPORTING BEST PRACTICES, THESE ARE ONES THAT WE WANTED TO INCLUDE IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN THE CITY OF DESOTO DO IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ACCESS, UM, ENHANCED ACCESS TO EMPLOYMENT, EXPAND THE INLAND PORT ZONE. UM, IF WE LOOK AT EXPAND THE INLAND PORT ZONE, THE SECOND PARAGRAPH ON PAGE 74, A PORTION OF DESOTOS INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS DISTRICT IS WITHIN THE IPODS INLAND ZONE PORT, PORT ZONE. AND THE CITY HAS SEEN MAJOR EMPLOYERS SITUATED WITHIN THE CITY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BENEFITS. UM, AND SO ONE THING THAT WE FELT THAT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD BEST PRACTICE AS IT ALIGNS WITH GOAL FOUR RECOMMENDATION ONE, IS TO REALLY LEVERAGE WHAT'S HAPPENING AROUND THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO CREATE SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND HELP ADDRESS THAT GAP THAT WILL OR IS WILL BE CONTINUED TO BE CREATED, UM, AS INFRASTRUCTURE CONTINUES TO AGE. AND THEN THE LAST, OR NOPE, YEAH, THIS, THE LAST, UM, CHAPTER THAT REALLY HAS, UH, RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WERE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY INPUT THAT WAS RECEIVED WAS TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY. UM, AND SO THIS, THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES START ON PAGE 78. THERE'S TWO GOALS FOR TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY. UM, WITHIN GOAL ONE, THERE WAS FIVE RECOMMENDATIONS. THE FIRST RECOMMENDATION, UM, WAS REALLY ONE THAT KIND OF SPOKE TO ME WAS TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A BALANCED TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM THAT ENSURES THE SAFE AND EFFICIENT MOVEMENT OF VEHICLES, PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS REALLY IS BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO ADAPT FOR THOSE NEEDS AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT COULD HAVE COME TO REALLY ENCOURAGE SAFE AND CLEAN MULTIMODAL, UM, TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. UM, GOAL TWO IS TO SUPPORT REGIONAL ACCESS AND EFFICIENT MOBILITY TWO AND THROUGHOUT THE SODO. UM, AND THERE'S SIX RECOMMENDATIONS UNDER THIS GOAL. THE TWO THAT REALLY CAUGHT MY EYE WERE THE RECOMMENDATION THREE, WHICH IS PLAN ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS TO LEVERAGE THIS FUTURE LOOP NINE. THAT'S ONE. UM, AND WE'LL SEE THE NEXT MAP, UM, OR ACTUALLY IT'S ON, UH, PAGE 79 WHERE YOU'LL SEE WHERE LOOP NINE IS INTENDED TO GO AND, UM, HOW THERE'S, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THE NETWORK OR EVEN INCREASE [00:50:01] CAPACITY SO THAT WE CAN BRING FOLKS THAT ARE GONNA BE DRIVING ALONG LOOP NINE TO STOP FOR HAPPY HOUR, STOP FOR BRUNCH, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO DO A LUNCH DATE OR SOMETHING THERE SO THAT WE CAN CREATE MORE OPPORTUNITY AND REVENUE AND THUS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR, UM, A DIVERSE ECONOMIC BASE TO OCCUR. AND THEN, UM, THE LAST RECOMMENDATION WITHIN GOAL TWO IS TO PREPARE FOR FUTURE TECHNOLOGIES AND MOBILITY. UM, AND THAT WAS ONE WHERE IT IS VERY BROAD IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING, BUT IT ALLOWS STAFF AND, AND, AND Y'ALL TO MAKE THE DECISION WHEN AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW PROJECTS TO REALLY FOCUS AND LOOK AT WHAT WE WANT TO BE INTEGRATING IN OUR FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE AS IT RELATES TO MOBILITY. UM, SO WE DON'T WANNA SAY, OH, MAKE EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, SOLAR OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE ALL THIS NOT PIGEONHOLE Y'ALL'S, RIGHT? AND SO GIVE YOU THE FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT AND HOW DOES THAT FUTURE MOBILITY LOOK LIKE FOR DESOTO, UM, AND ALLOWING THAT WINDOW THERE SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF WHAT UM, COULD OCCUR IN THE FUTURE. UM, THE NEXT COUPLE OF PAGES JUST OUTLINES ALL THE CURRENT, UM, OR THE EXISTING FUTURE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES. WHAT IS PLANNED FOR ROADWAY, UH, WHITENING ON PAGE 80 HAS A MAP, UM, THE FUTURE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT OUTLINES EVERYTHING THAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING OR IS PROPOSED TO HAPPEN WITHIN THE CITY. AND THEN WE'VE OUTLINED IN THE DOTTED LIGHT BLUE FUTURE, UM, IMPACTS TO LOOP NINE. UH, WE LOOKED AT THE NCT COGS MOBILITY 2045, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IT, UM, AND BASED ON THE PLANS. AND THEN PAGE 82 REALLY IDENTIFIES THE ROADWAY CLASS, FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS. AND, UM, WHICH BRINGS US TO PAGE 83, WHICH IS EXISTING FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION. SO THIS IS Y'ALL'S CURRENT NETWORK, UM, SYSTEM OF DE CITY OF DESOTO. AND ON PAGE 85 OUTLINES, UM, THE IMPROVED THROUGH A FA THROUGH A FAIR PLAN, WHICH OUTLINES, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE WOULD WANT OR WITH THE HELP OF THE TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT REALLY OUTLINING WHICH ROADS COULD BE, UM, EXPANDED OR IMPROVED ON SO THAT THERE'S MORE CAPACITY THROUGHPUT TO ALLOW FOR THAT. UM, NEW DEVELOPMENT DISTRICTS MIXED USE OPPORTUNITIES TO OCCUR, UM, TO, TO FLOW THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AND SO REALLY WE WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, ON PAGE 85 REALLY IMPROVE THE CONNECTIVITY WITHIN AND TO AND FROM THE CITY. UM, ACCOUNTING FOR THE FUTURE LOOP NINE, THE EAST AND WEST CONNECTORS, UM, AND ALL THE OF WHAT WAS CURRENTLY OUT THERE THAT WE KNOW IS GONNA BE COMING, UM, PAGES 86. AND SO THE REST ARE KIND OF MORE OF THE RECOMMENDATION OR BEST PRACTICES, WHETHER THEY BE FROM ROADWAY ACCESS TO MOBILITY STRATEGIES, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALS OF, UM, IDENTIFYING IMPROVEMENT, ACCESS MANAGEMENT, UM, A DESIGNATED TRUCK AND FREIGHT ROUTES, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, UM, BE ABLE TO, UH, MANEUVER, UH, LARGER TRUCKS TO GO THROUGHOUT THE CITY. UM, AND THEN ON THE FOLLOWING PAGE, 88 AND 89 OUTLINES, YOU KNOW, WAYS OR BEST PRACTICES TO BE ABLE TO, UM, GO INTO AN AND PROVIDE A MULTIMODAL ACCESS AND MOBILITY FOR THE CITY. UM, AND THEN ON PAGE 88, REALLY THE PLAN FOR SMART MOBILITY, CITY INTEGRATION OUTLINES KIND OF BEST PRACTICES WHAT TYPE OF, UM, EXAMPLES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, UH, BUT GIVES FLEXIBILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT REALLY IS GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE FUTURE. THE NEXT SERIES OF PAGES KINDA JUST OUTLINES THE CURRENT ACTIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PLAN. UM, AND THEN PAGE 89, 90 92, SORRY, UM, OUTLINES THE MULTIMODAL ACCESS AND MOBILITY STRATEGIES IN TERMS OF HOW CAN WE CREATE, UM, WHY, YOU KNOW, COMPLETE STREETS WHERE APPROPRIATE. YOU KNOW, WE KNOW FUNDING IS LIMITED, SO WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT THERE SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 88 COMPLIANCE SIDEWALKS EVERYWHERE IN THE CITY, BUT WHERE ARE THOSE STRATEGIC AREAS WHERE WE WANT FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO AND FROM, UM, POTENTIALLY LINKING THEM WITH THOSE HIGHER DENSITY, UM, DISTRICTS THAT WE'VE OUTLINED IN THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND THEN BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY, UM, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING THE ACTIVE LIFESTYLE DISTRICTS AND THEN THE DESIGNATED AREAS FOR RIDE HAILSTORMS ZONES. SO IT OUTLINES JUST DIFFERENT, UM, BEST PRACTICES AND OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO BE ABLE TO REALLY LOOK INTO THE TWO OUTLINED GOALS [00:55:01] THAT WERE ESTABLISHED FOR THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY CHAPTER. UM, PAGE, UH, 95 IS THE STREET SCAPE GUIDELINES. UM, AS MENTIONED, THESE WERE GRADED, DO REMEMBER WHAT YEAR THEY WERE DONE. THE STREETS CAME 2015. SO THESE WERE NOT ONES THAT WE, UM, DID NOT TOUCH. WE, WE JUST, UM, INTEGRATED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT IT GOES HAND IN HAND, BUT REALLY WHAT IT OUTLINES IS THE DESIGN STANDARDS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION WHEN, UH, ROADWAYS ARE BEING IMPROVED OR EXPANDED ON AS IT RELATES TO LANDSCAPING SIDEWALKS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THE BREAKS IT DOWN BY EACH OF THE TRANSPORTATION NETWORK. UM, FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION, FUNCTIONAL CLASSIFICATION ROADWAYS. SO IT'S, UM, HAS QUITE A BIT OF, OF CHAPTERS. IT HAS, YOU KNOW, JUST ILLUSTRATIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT SHOULD BE TAKEN IN CONSIDERATION, WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AS NEW, UM, ROADS ARE BEING EXPANDED OR, OR WORKED ON. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, ON PAGE 1 23 IS THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN OR THE IMPLEMENTATION CHAPTER. NOW THIS IS, UM, I WAS GONNA SAY WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT, BUT NO, THE WHOLE DOCUMENT IS IMPORTANT. UM, BUT THIS CHAPTER REALLY IS KIND OF OUTLINES THE NEXT STEPS IN TERMS OF HOW DO WE REALLY DO THIS? IT OUTLINES, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW DOES, HOW DO Y'ALL AS COUNCIL MEMBERS USE THE PLAN? HOW DOES STAFF USE THE PLAN, YOU KNOW, HOW OFTEN DOES IT NEED TO BE RA UH, UPDATED? UM, AND IT OUTLINES A, A LOT OF FUNDING SOURCES AND PROGRAMS THAT CAN BE LOOKED INTO TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN GRANTS. ONE THING TO MENTION IS THAT A LOT OF THESE, UM, FUNDING SOURCES DO REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, IF PROJECTS BLESS YOU TO BE, UM, SOUGHT THAT IT IS MENTIONED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA BE ABLE TO OBTAIN FUNDING, UM, WHETHER IT BE FROM TXDOT OR YOU KNOW, ANOTHER UM, UH, FUNDING SOURCE, IT'S IMPORTANT FOR IT TO BE MENTIONED IN, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT WE CAN MENTION THAT IT IS ALIGNED WITH THE CITY'S VISION. UM, AND THEN ON PAGE 1 28 OUTLINES THE IMPLEMENTATION A ACTION MATRIX. AND THIS IS REALLY KIND OF THE SHEET CHEAT SHEET, UM, TO GET EVERYTHING IMPLEMENTED. IT HAS GUIDANCE ON WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITHIN EACH OF THE GOAL AND THEN THE RECOMMENDATIONS IT OUTLINES IF IT'S A SHORT, MEDIUM, LONG-TERM TIMEFRAME AND THEN OUTLINES THE PARTNERS THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED OR IS GONNA BE INCLUDED AS THESE, UM, STRATEGIES AND RECOMMENDATIONS GET TAKEN INTO, INTO EFFECT. UM, AND AS I'M TALKING, I'M NOTICING, UM, COUNCILMAN OR COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER, WE SHOULD CARRY OVER THESE, UM, ACTION NUMBERS FIVE B ONE TO THE REPORT. SO THANK YOU. UM, SO THIS IS, YOU KNOW, THE CRUX OF IT IS REALLY KIND OF HOW, HOW ARE THESE GONNA BE IMPLEMENTED, UM, IN THE FUTURE. AND THEN THIS WILL BE, THIS IS THE LAST CHAPTER THAT WE HAVE THUS FAR. UM, AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE, UM, SHARING WITH THE PUBLIC. UM, IT'S CURRENTLY ON THE WEBSITE, UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA GO WITH THEM ON THE OPEN HOUSE NEXT THURSDAY. THANK YOU MS. SAVANT FOR, UH, THE CONCLUSION OF THAT PRESENTATION. I'M GONNA, UM, ASK AGAIN IF OUR PLANNING AND ZONING HAS ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNSEL. YES. COMMISSIONER BELL. I HAVE A GOOD ONE. SO I JUST WANT TO, UH, MAKE SURE I GOT A GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAS BEEN, UH, PRESENTED HERE TONIGHT. AND WITH RE CHECK CHECK, UH, WITH RESPECT TO YOUR 2045 NUMBER AND THE, THE NUMBER OF DEFICIT HOMES, WE WOULD HAVE THAT METRIC, UH, PRESUPPOSES THAT IF WE DO NOTHING, IF WE ADD NO NEW HOUSING IN 2045, WE'LL BE SHORT THAT NUMBER. IS THAT CORRECT? AND THAT IF WE DO DECIDE TO ADD HOUSING AND WE ONLY CHOOSE SINGLE FAMILY, WE WILL MISS OUT ON THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAXIMIZE OUR TAX BASE WITH LOW DENSITY HOUSING. IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET TAX BASED, BUT YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET AS MUCH, I GUESS. YES, WE WON'T MAXIMIZE IT. OKAY. AND ONE MORE POINT, UH, AS WE LOOK AT PAGE 30, OUR CURRENT USE PLAN, AND THEN WE LOOK AT FOR THE NEW PLAN GOING FORWARD, IS IT YOUR SUGGESTION THAT WE SHOULD PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO OUR PLAN [01:00:01] DEVELOPMENT ZONING SO THAT WE COULD TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO ALIGN THAT CLOSER WITH THE NEW DEVELOPMENT PLAN, UM, TO, TO CHANGE THE ZONING TO ACCOMMODATE OUR NEW DEVELOPMENT IDEAS? I, I THINK IT'S ONE WAY, ONE, ONE TOOL IN THE TOOLKIT TO HELP IMPLEMENT THE, THE FUTURE LAND USE. IT'S NOT THE ONLY ONE, RIGHT? RIGHT. BUT IT, IT IS A KIND OF MAJOR 'CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A LOT OF PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AREAS AROUND AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS ALREADY TAKEN. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE AREAS THAT WOULD COME UP IN OUR PLAN MEETINGS MOST OFTEN, PROBABLY. UH, WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? IT, YES. THE, SO ON THE PAGE 30, THE LIGHT GREEN ARE THE PLAN DEVELOPMENTS, CORRECT? YES. SO TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THOSE, TO LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S WAYS TO GET THEM TO HAVE A HIGHER USAGE PER ACRE. YEAH. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I JUST HAVE A RECOMMENDATION ON YOUR GOALS. ON THE RECOMMENDATION, THERE WERE CERTAIN ONES THAT YOU CALLED OUT MM-HMM, YOU SAID EITHER THEY RESONATED WITH YOU OR THE COMMUNITY REALLY WAS BEHIND THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS IN YOUR DATA OR YOUR RESEARCH, DID YOU FIND THAT CERTAIN RECOMMENDATIONS SHOULD BE PRIORITIZED? AND I'M, I'M JUST THINKING IF YOU'RE, IF YOU THINK THAT CERTAIN THINGS SHOULD BE LOOKED AT OR PRIORITIZED FRONT, PERHAPS THEY SHOULD BE CHRONOLOGICALLY ORDERED UNDER YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AND, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S PART OF THE, THE, UH, THE POINT OF THAT LAST IMPLEMENTATION SECTION, RIGHT? IT'S KIND OF CREATE SHORT, MEDIUM AND LONG, LONG-TERM HORIZONS FOR SOME OF THOSE IS, IS THAT SOME OF THEM APPEAR TO BE MORE IMMEDIATE, UM, IN NEED AND OTHERS ARE KIND OF MORE OUTCOMES OF SOME OF THOSE FIRST GOALS THAT WE HAVE. YEAH. AND, AND WHY CALLED OUT SOME, WHETHER WAS PROBABLY JUST BECAUSE IT RESONATED WITH THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH SOMEONE OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT WAS A DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD THAT I WANNA KIND OF HIGHLIGHT ONE THING THAT WE WILL HAVE. UM, AND I HAVE A COPY OF THE, AND AND, AND THIS IS JUST DRAFT, RIGHT? SO IT WILL BE SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE SURVEY IS, YOU KNOW, OUT OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WHICH ONE RESONATES MOST WITH THAT COMMUNITY MEMBER AND HAVE THEM RANK IT. SO, UM, IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK INTO AS WE ORDER THEM WITHIN THE REPORT. AND THEN THAT ALSO WILL, UM, INFLUENCE IMPLEMENTATION MATRIX. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN WHEN I LOOK AT CHAPTERS SEVEN AND EIGHT. UM, I THINK CHAPTER SEVEN, THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY SHOULD INFORM CHAPTER EIGHT, THE STREETSCAPE DESIGNS. AND THERE ARE SO MANY CONFLICTS THAT IT'S NOT EVEN USABLE FOR THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS A BODY WHEN WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS AND POINTING, UH, TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CALL FOR COMPLETE STREETS, BUT THEN IT CONFLICTS WITH, UM, SOMETHING THAT SAYS 120 FOOT ARTERIAL ON ALL, NOT EVEN SOME ON ALL ARTERIAL ROADWAYS, WHICH IS WAY EXTREMELY TOO WIDE FOR ANY TYPE OF SAFE MULTIMODAL, UH, ACTIVITY. UM, 120 FEET WIDE FOR REFERENCE IS ABOUT A HALF OF A FOOTBALL FIELD. AND IF A FOOTBALL PLAYER WHO'S IN SHAPE RUN HALF THAT DISTANCE, THEY'RE USUALLY WORN OUT. SO, EXPECTING THAT WE'LL HAVE PEDESTRIANS WHO ARE TRYING TO CROSS A STREET WITH 120 FOOT ON 120 FOOT ROADWAY IS, IT'S NOT REALISTIC. IT'S NOT PRACTICAL. AND LOOKING AT OUR ARTERIAL ROADWAYS, I THINK WE SHOULD PULL THAT, THAT MAP UP THAT SHOWS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE ARTERIAL ROADWAYS ARE. WE HAVE ROADWAYS SUCH AS HAMPTON ROAD, THAT WOULDN'T BE APPLICABLE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HAMPTON ROAD ROADWAY DESIGN. IT DOESN'T APPLY. SO I THINK THERE WAS, THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF CARETAKING TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS WAS FLOWING TOGETHER AS ONE DOCUMENT. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE TWO, TWO CHAPTERS OR IN THEIR OWN ZONE. AND NONE IS, NONE OF THEM ARE SPEAKING TO THE OTHER. SO I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, AND I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD ON THAT. UM, ON THE STREETS, THE, THE, THE TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY SHOULD INFORM THE STREET SCAPE DESIGNS. IF WE'RE, WE'RE MAINLY FOCUSING ON COMPLETE STREETS, WE'RE FOCUSING ON WALKABILITY. AND WHEN WE HAVE DEVELOPERS COMING TO US AND LAYING OUT A DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE ASKING HOW WIDE ARE THE SIDEWALKS? BECAUSE WE KNOW PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK. UM, WE HAD ONE CASE WHERE SOMEONE WANTS TO CROSS BELTLINE ROAD. BELTLINE ROAD ISN'T EVEN 120 FEET WIDE. AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING [01:05:01] THAT MUCH WIDER THAN IT ALREADY IS, IT'S JUST NOT PRACTICAL FOR, UH, MULTIMODAL ACTIVITY. I'M GONNA POINT TO SOME, 'CAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE A, A LOT OF TIME TO READ THROUGH THIS, BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I DEFINITELY WANNA POINT OUT AND OTHERS I'LL SUBMIT, UM, WITH MY FULL COMMENTS WHEN I HAVE A CHANCE TO READ THIS ENTIRE DOCUMENT, OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, ONCE WE FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND I'M SPEAKING TOWARDS THE CITY MANAGER, THESE PROJECTS, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ABOUT 20 YEARS. SO IF WE'RE IDENTIFYING TECHNOLOGY AND WE'RE SAYING STUDY TECHNOLOGY, I JUST THINK THE PLAN SHOULD BE MORE SPECIFIC AND NOT AS HIGH LEVEL, BECAUSE THERE'S SOME THINGS WE ALREADY KNOW. WE KNOW WHAT TECHNOLOGY ENHANCES SAFETY. WE TALK ABOUT HAWK SIGNALS THAT COULD BE IDENTIFIED IN HERE SO THAT WE COULD START TO MAKE SOME HEADWAYS WITH THE CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE FUNDED. IF WE WAIT TO STUDY AND WAIT UNTIL THERE'S A CAPITAL, UH, CAPITAL FUNDING 10 YEARS LATER, WE ARE SO FAR BEHIND TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO RETROFIT AND PAY ADDITIONAL FUNDING TO DO THINGS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW SHOULD BE, UM, IN INCORPORATED INTO PROJECTS TO ENHANCE SAFETY AND ENHANCE SAFE, A SAFE, WALKABLE CITY THAT WE SAY IN OUR VISION THAT WE WANT TO BE. SO I JUST THINK WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT, UM, I KNOW YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T DO MUCH WITH THE STREETS GUIDELINES. WE DIDN'T REALLY CHANGE THAT, BUT WE DIDN'T YEAH, WE WEREN'T SCOPED TO TOUCH CHAPTER EIGHT. WELL, WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE TOUCHED CHAPTER SEVEN BECAUSE THEY, THEY GO TOGETHER. IT'S ONE, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MOBILITY IN THE CITY, AND IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. IF YOU'RE NOT TOUCHING CHAPTER EIGHT FOR THE STREET SCAPE DESIGNS, IT'S COM IT'S IT INCOMPLETE CONFLICT. THAT'S MY COMMENTS. I HAVE SEVERAL MORE, BUT I'LL PASS THE MIC FOR SOMEBODY ELSE AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. UH, COMMISSIONER IF THERE, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, UH, COMMISSIONER, AND AGAIN, AS, AS, UM, AS HAS BEEN STATED, IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS THAT GOES FOR COUNSEL AS WELL. IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, WE CAN SUBMIT THOSE, UM, AFTER TONIGHT'S MEETING. BUT I DID HAVE ONE QUESTION. UM, ON PAGE 92, IT WAS REGARDING THE MULTIMODAL, THE 80 DA COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE. UM, WE DID A 80 D EIGHT AUDIT, UM, I BELIEVE IN 2021 THAT ESSENTIALLY IDENTIFIED AREAS OF DEFICIENCY THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CITY IN TERMS OF WHETHER THAT WAS CURB, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS, OUR FACILITIES, UM, WHERE THERE WERE DEFICITS IN TERMS OF MAKING IT FULLY A-D-A-A-D-A COMPLIANT MM-HMM. . UM, WILL THAT, OR HAS THAT INFORMATION BEEN, UH, BEEN LOOKED AT TO BE ABLE TO INFORM SOME OF THESE? UH, I KNOW THAT WE WERE MENTIONING SOME THINGS HERE. WOULD THAT, OR COULD THAT, I GUESS, COULD THAT INFORMATION, I'M ASSUMING THAT IT HASN'T BEEN, BUT COULD THAT INFORMATION BE INCLUDED TO INFORM THAT? BECAUSE IT ESSENTIALLY GAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT, RIGHT? IF WE WERE TO, UM, DO EVERYTHING AND UPGRADE EVERYTHING, SO TO SPEAK, WHAT WOULD THAT COST THE CITY? AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS TO THE TUNE OF A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS TO MAKE SURE THOSE, UH, THINGS WERE IMPLEMENTED. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, UM, SO THAT THAT INFORMATION DOES NOT JUST SIT ON THE SHELF BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME AND CARE TAKEN TO GET THAT INFORMATION. AND WE KNOW THAT, UM, AGAIN, WE HAVE, UH, WITH THAT POPULATION, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SERVING THEM AS BEST. SO IF THAT INFORMATION COULD ALSO BE INCORPORATED, UM, INTO THESE, UH, INTO THESE, INTO THIS PLAN TO MAKE SURE THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE UTILIZING THAT INFORMATION TO THE BEST THAT WE CAN AS WELL. YES. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. UH, MY ONLY COMMENTS, UH, FOR TONIGHT IS ON, UH, PAGE 66. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT REVENUE PER ACRE, I THINK THAT WE REALLY NEED TO EXPAND THAT AREA. UM, I THINK THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE THE, THE BASIS OF ALL OF, UH, THE MOVING FORWARD, UM, UH, TALKING ABOUT AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE, THE ABILITY TO PAY FOR IT, UH, WITH THE CURRENT, UM, HOUSING, UH, UNITS THAT WE HAVE. IF WE, I'M SORRY. YES MA'AM. IF WE CHOOSE TO, UH, IF WE CHOOSE WHETHER WE CHOOSE TO INCREASE OR NOT TO INCREASE DENSITY, UH, JUST THE IDEA OF COST PER ACRE, YOU KNOW, AND, UM, I THINK THAT, UH, MORE ILLUSTRATIONS, LIKE IF YOU TOOK AN ACRE AND PUT A, AN APARTMENT BUILDING ON, ON IT OF FOUR HOUSES, WHAT, WHAT IS THE RETURN, UH, ON, ON THAT INVESTMENT OR THE CALLS? UH, PRAY RE. I THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A VERY, VERY INTERESTING AND NECESSARY DISCUSSION. I WOULD BE, I WOULD, UM, I, I'LL SEND IT IN WRITING, BUT I WOULD BE VERY INTERESTING, INTERESTED IN KNOWING WHAT WAS THE FOCUS GROUP, UH, COMMENTS ON WHEN YOU BROUGHT UP THOSE ISSUES AND, AND PARTICULARLY THE TWO OPTIONS THAT WAS THERE. YOU KNOW, EITHER YOU PAY FOR IT THIS WAY OR YOU PAY FOR IT THAT WAY, OR YOU DON'T PAY FOR IT, YOU KNOW? UH, AND SO YOU DEAL WITH, UM, UH, [01:10:01] UH, DISINTEGRATING ROADWAYS AND ALL OF THAT. SO THAT, THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. I'M GONNA ASK IF COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER, IF THIS BE OUR LAST COMMENT BECAUSE WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL, UH, WE HAVE TWO ADDITIONAL, UM, WELL, YEAH, TWO ADDITIONAL PRESENTATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS AS WELL AS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT. JUST, UM, KEEPING THAT IN MIND. SO IF THIS COULD BE OUR LAST COMMENT FROM COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. OKAY. WELL, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I KNOW YOU BROUGHT ME UP, . YOU BROUGHT ME UP 'CAUSE WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT PAIGE. UH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS 67. YOU JUST DID WITH THE, UH, PROBLEM 66 MM-HMM. . UM, MY ONLY COMMENT IS, IS IS I'M ON I ERROR ON THE SIDE OF TELLING, PUTTING THE TRUTH OUT THERE. WHERE'S THE TRUTH? WHERE'S THE ACTUAL PAGE THAT SAYS, HERE'S THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE AND WHY WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE IT AND WHAT WE EXPECT TO DO TO SOLVE IT. SO I FEEL LIKE THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY SAYS THAT. AND THEN, UH, PAGE 1 0 1, UH, YOU HAD A MAP THAT HAD A LOT OF COLOR CODES AND, AND THINGS. UM, IF MAYBE JUST A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION AS TO WHAT THAT REALLY MEANS, ALL THOSE COLOR, IT'S LIKE A, IT'S LIKE A LEGEND THERE. IT JUST DOESN'T GIVE A LOT OF INFORMATION. BUT, UM, I'M SORRY, I YIELD BACK. THANK YOU, CHIROPRACTOR. I HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION. OKAY. IT WAS, UM, THE STREET SCAPE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE STREET SCAPE. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T CHANGE IT. I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING, AND SO I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE, THE, THE FRAMEWORK FOR THAT SECTION. SO THE STREETSCAPE, UM, WAS DONE IN 2015. UM, AND WHEN WE GOT ASKED OR WE WON, UH, THE, THE PROJECT, THE STREETS SCAPE WAS NOT PART OF THE REVAMPING OF THE COMP PLAN, OF THE UPDATE. UM, SO THE UPDATE WAS THE FOUR MAIN CHAPTERS, LAND USE, HOUSING, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, TRANSPORTATION AND MOBILITY. SO, BUT BECAUSE YOU NEED STREETSCAPE AS PART OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE AGREED THAT WE WOULD DIGITIZE OR, OR BASICALLY TAKE WHAT WAS IN THE OLD COMP PLAN FROM 2015 AND JUST BRING IT INTO THIS FORMAT. SAME HEADING FOOTER, SO THAT IT'S ONE COMPLETE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT WE WERE NOT SCOPED TO, TO TOUCH OR PROVIDE ANY TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS. YES. THANK YOU. UM, CITY MANAGER WRIGHT. THANK YOU MS. SAVANT FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. WHERE SHOULD WE FO UH, SEND OUR COMMENTS? WHAT EMAIL ADDRESS OR, YEAH. BEST WHY? I DON'T WANNA PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT IF Y'ALL WANNA MAKE HARD COPIES AND JUST, WE CAN PICK IT UP AND CONSOLIDATE THEM. I MEAN, OR YOU CAN EMAIL IT TO US TO BESTER. UM, AND THEN FOR THOSE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE, FOR THOSE THAT ARE COMING TO THE PUBLIC, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY, HELP SPREAD THE WORD, THEY CAN HAVE THIS QR CODE SEND THEIR COMMENTS THROUGH THERE. THE ENTIRE REPORT IS ONLINE. UM, SO THEY'LL HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK THROUGH IT, UM, OR COME TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING, UM, THAT WILL BE THERE. AND SO THEY CAN HAVE THE, TAKE THE SURVEY ALSO HAVE IDENTIFIED AND BROUGHT WITH US, UM, HARD COPIES OF THE SURVEY THEMSELVES, IF THEY WANNA, UM, VOTE OR NOT VOTE, BUT GIVE THEIR INPUT. AND THEN JUST, UM, THERE'S COMMON BOXES ON THE WEBSITE. OKAY. SO IS THAT FOR A COUNCIL, PE COUNCIL, UH, PEOPLE AS WELL AS OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION? I WOULD SAY FOR SIMPLIFICATION OF IT. SO WE DON'T HAVE TOO MANY METHODS GOING AROUND. I WOULD SUGGEST EITHER WE COMPLETE THE SURVEY AND OR COMPILE AN EMAIL. UM, YEAH, AND IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA JUST SEND THOSE EMAILS TO ME. YES, THAT, THAT'S FINE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE SURE THEY GET TO THE APPROPRIATE PLACE. SO, UM, YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST, UH, SUBMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO CITY MANAGER W RIGHT. AND HE WILL MAKE SURE THEY GET COMPILED IN KIND OF ONE SUCCINCT PACKAGE TO BE DELIVERED SO THAT WE DON'T MAKE SURE ANYTHING GETS LOST, UM, IN TRANSLATION. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, IS IT GONNA BE UPDATED BEFORE THE OCTOBER 26TH MEETING? IS WHAT GOING TO BE UPDATED? ANY OF THE UPDATES THAT WERE BEING THROWN OUT THERE TONIGHT? NO, THIS IS, THIS IS TO COLLECT INFORMATION. MM-HMM. LEADING UP TO THAT MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR, VERY QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO APPRECIATE YOU FOR, UH, YOUR PRESENTATION THIS AFTERNOON AND THE THOROUGHNESS AND THE EFFORTS THAT YOU'VE PUT FORTH. SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MORE IMPORTANTLY, I WANT TO APPRECIATE OUR P AND Z COMMITTEE. OH MY GOODNESS. LET'S GIVE 'EM A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. Y'ALL. , THEY'RE HERE 100%. SO THANK YOU ALSO VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE LAST THING IS, UM, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH Y'ALL'S COMMUNICATION TEAM. AND, UM, MATT AND KATHY HAVE ACTUALLY, WE'VE GONE IN, UM, SEVEN, SEVEN DIFFERENT MEMBERS, WHETHER THEY'RE BUSINESS OWNERS, STEERING COMMITTEE, LONG TERM, UM, RESIDENTIAL MEMBERS TO HELP US PUBLICIZE THIS NEXT PUBLIC MEETING. AND SO, UM, BY WEDNESDAY, IF NOT TOMORROW, WE'LL HAVE SMALL VIDEOS OF WHAT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEANS TO THEM. SO FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE. SO IF YOU CAN PLEASE HELP SPREAD THE WORD, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, THE QR CODE, UM, I WOULD REALLY, REALLY [01:15:01] LOVE FOR THIS TO BE A HUGE SUCCESS. UM, AND IF WE NEED TO COME ANOTHER DAY, I WILL COME. BUT WE JUST REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT AS MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, SEE THIS AND THAT THEY HEAR FROM THEIR OWN COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COULD BE IN THEIR OWN EYES. THANK YOU. YES, WE'VE SEEN A FEW OF THOSE VIDEOS AND THEY'RE GREAT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, UH, MADAM CITY SECRETARY, WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. WE NEED TO ADJOURN. I APOLOGIZE. YES. WE NEED TO ADJOURN, UH, OUR PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THEM. COMMISSIONERS, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN THE P AND Z MEETING? SO, MOVED BY COMMISSIONER CAESAR. IS THERE A SECOND? SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER BROOKS. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY GOODNIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, THANK YOU COMMISSIONERS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR HELP AND ALL YOUR WORK. HAVE A GREAT EVENING. [3. Presentation and discussion of changes to the City Council Meeting schedule] AT THIS TIME, MS. THOMAS, WE'LL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. NEXT WE MOVE INTO PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF CHANGES TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING SCHEDULE. MAKING THAT PRESENTATION IS ESTHER WILLIAMS, ASSISTANT TO THE CITY MANAGER. GOOD EVENING, COUNCIL. TONIGHT WE ARE CONTINUING A, UM, AN ONGOING DISCUSSION FROM THE LAST TWO COUNCIL RETREATS, UH, REGARDING THE COUNCIL MEETING CHANGES FOR THE 2024 SCHOOL, UH, 2024 YEAR. OKAY. SO TONIGHT I'LL REVIEW SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING, UM, AT THE LAST COUPLE OF RETREATS. AND THEN WE'LL, UH, TALK ABOUT THE 2024 CITY COUNCIL SCHEDULE AND THEN THE IMPLEMENTATION SCHEDULE. BUT IN BETWEEN EACH OF THOSE, UM, TOPICS, WE CAN DEFINITELY OPEN UP THE DISCUSSION TIME FOR THAT FOR THEM. AND I'LL TAKE NOTES AND AT THE END OF THE MEETING, THEN WE CAN DO A FINAL DISCUSSION AND COME TO AN AGREEMENT ON SOME OF THE CHANGES. OKAY. SO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE DISCUSSED IN THE SUMMER RETREAT INCLUDED THE MONTHLY SCHEDULE. WE CHOSE TO KEEP THE, UM, CADENCE THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY AS THE FIRST TUESDAY OF EVERY MONTH TO HAVE A REGULAR MEETING. AND THEN THE THIRD TUESDAY FOR A REGULAR MEETING, AND THE MONDAY BEFORE THE THIRD TUESDAY, UM, AS THE WORK SESSION. AND THEN THE WORK SESSIONS FROM THE TUESDAY MEETINGS WOULD ONLY BE ON THAT MONDAY BEFORE THE THIRD, UM, TUESDAY MEETING. AND THEN ALSO DURING THAT WORK SESSION, WE WOULD HAVE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN PROCLAMATIONS AND CELEBRATORY ITEMS. ANOTHER THING WE DISCUSSED WAS, UM, THAT THE STARTING TIME FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS WOULD BE AT FIVE 30, WHICH WOULD MOVE THE ADJOURNMENT TO 10 O'CLOCK. OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS AGENDA ORDER, UH, WE DISCUSSED, UM, MOVING THE COMMUNITY INTEREST ITEMS TO MONDAY TO THOSE, UH, WORK SESSIONS. BUT IF THERE WERE ITEM OTHER ITEMS THAT WANT YOU WANTED TO, UM, ADDRESS DURING THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETINGS ON TUESDAYS, ALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE MINUTE EACH TO SHARE THEIR INFORMATION. UM, AND THEN ALSO, UH, REMEMBER WE ALSO ARE GOING TO BE INCORPORATING THE VIDEO SLIDES AND THINGS LIKE THAT BEFORE THE TUESDAY MEETINGS. AND THEN THE NON AGENDA ITEMS, CITIZEN COMMENTS, WOULD BE MOVED TO THE END OF THE MEETING. SO DO WE WANNA GO OVER THOSE ITEMS NOW AND DO SOME DISCUSSION AND SEE IF WE AGREE ON THOSE, THOSE CHANGES BEFORE WE MOVE ON? THANK YOU, DR. WILLIAMS. UM, SO AS SHE MENTIONED, UH, WE HAD, WE HAD A FEW OUTCOMES FROM OUR LAST COUNCIL RETREAT. CAN YOU TURN IT BACK TO THE YES. UM, TO THE FIRST, UH, FROM OUR RETREAT ABOUT, UH, SOME POSSIBLE CHANGES TO THE MEETING. SO, UM, I GUESS, I GUESS IF THERE, UH, IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS, THEN WE'LL SEE IF THERE IS CONSENSUS FOR ANY OF THESE CHANGES THAT THE DIRECTION YOU NEED FROM US. YES, TONIGHT, DR. WILLIAMS. OKAY. IF THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNSEL, COUNCIL MEMBER, CHISEL. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I WOULD SAY THAT I HAVE, I DO HAVE COMMENTS REGARDING THE, UM, TIMEFRAME THAT WE'RE STARTING CITY COUNCIL AT FIVE 30. UM, INITIALLY WHEN I THOUGHT ABOUT THIS ITEM, UM, MY, MY, MY, MY JOB AND WHAT I DO DAY TO DAY, A LOCKS ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, MAKE MY SCHEDULE. SO FOR ME, UM, HAVING THAT EMPOWERMENT, I, I, I OWN THAT RIGHT, , BUT, AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT MY COLLEAGUES, UM, WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, UH, JOBS AND WE, WE WORK OUTSIDE OF DESOTO. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING IN DESOTO. SO FOR ME, I HAD TO LOOK AT THIS ON, WAS I LOOKING AT THIS FROM A SELF OR FROM WHAT'S BEST FOR THE COLLECTIVE OF THE BODY? UM, AND THEN ALSO WITH CONSIDERATION THAT THE AVERAGE AGE IN DESOTO IS 38. AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE, UH, 38 IS A WORKING CLASS. UM, IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, I WOULD SAY THE DYNA, THE DEMOGRAPHIC [01:20:01] OF DE OF DE SOTO'S COUNCIL HAS CHANGED. AND I CONTRIBUTE, ACTUALLY, MAYOR PROCTOR YOU FOR THAT. I THINK YOU KIND OF HELD IN MORE YOUNGER CANDIDATES, UH, RUN IN, IN THESE SEATS. UM, AND BEFORE THEN YOU DID NOT SEE THAT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, AFTER TALKING TO, UM, COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT, UM, THE DECISION TO MOVE TO FIVE 30 IS PROBABLY ONE THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO AND CAUTION, UM, BECAUSE OF NOT ONLY THE PERCEPTION THAT IT GIVES, AND WHILE WE MAY HAVE THE GREATEST INTENT, I THINK ONE OF OUR MAJOR JOBS IS, IS CONTROLLING THE PERCEPTION. AND THE PERCEPTION IS, IS THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SHUT OUT CITIZENS, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT TRYING TO START EARLY TO LIMIT PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO GET DOWN HERE. UM, MY UNDERSTANDING AND MY PERCEPTION OF THE REASON WHY THIS WAS THROWN OUT WAS TO TRY TO LEAVE EARLY RIGHT? TO, TO, TO CURTAIL THE LATE EVENINGS THAT WE WERE EXPERIENCING. HOWEVER, I WOULD SAY THAT MAYOR PROCTOR'S DONE A REALLY GREAT JOB SHUTTING US DOWN. SO WE DON'T GO INTO THESE LONG DEBATES. AND THUS I'VE SEEN US GET OUTTA HERE A LOT MORE EARLIER THAN WHAT WE NORMALLY HAVE. AND SO THAT, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO REALLY TAKE SOME CONSIDERATION AND THINK THROUGH. UM, I, I WAS GUILTY OF IT AS WELL, AND I OWN THAT. UM, BUT IN HINDSIGHT, I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THE TIME THE SAME. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM, UM, . AND THERE WAS NO SHADE. THAT WAS A COMPLIMENT. I, I TOOK IT AS SUCH. , I'M JUST, I'M JUST THINKING ABOUT, THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU MENTIONED IN TERMS OF, UM, JUST, I, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT, UM, I THINK FOR AT LEAST FOR THE LAST FEW MEETINGS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, I THINK WE'VE DONE A GOOD JOB COLLECTIVELY. I WON'T, I WON'T TAKE ALL THE CREDIT FOR SHUTTING US DOWN, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU ALL AND YOUR COOPERATIVE NATURE, UM, WITH HELPING US TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WE ARE, WE'RE KEEPING OUR MEETINGS AND COMMENTS CONCISE AND ON TOPIC AND ET CETERA. SO I THINK THAT THAT HAS CONTRIBUTED A LOT TO, UM, AS YOU MENTIONED TO GETTING OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. UM, I'M JUST REALLY JUST PONDERING YOUR COMMENTS. UM, THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. OKAY. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. UM, I ACTUALLY WANTED TO, UM, ALSO, UH, AGREE THAT, UH, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AT THE, UH, RETREAT ABOUT IT. AND AT THE TIME THERE WAS NOT, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT COULD REALLY BE MADE. UH, SO FIVE 30 CAME WITH A, WITH THE THOUGHT OF IF WE, IF WE'RE GOING TO VOTE TO DO IT AT FIVE, I'D RATHER DO FIVE 30 THAN FIVE. SO I'M STILL AT THE POINT WHERE I'D LIKE THE SIX O'CLOCK, AND I DID A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH THROUGHOUT THE CITIES. UH, ALL OF THE NEIGHBORING CITIES, EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM ARE ALL SIX AND BEYOND. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, UH, LANCASTER RED OAK, OR THE ONLY TWO THAT DON'T HAVE WORK SESSIONS, AND THEY ALL STILL START AT SEVEN. UM, AND I GET IT, I, YOU KNOW, I'M RIGHT THERE WITH, UM, COUNCILWOMAN CHISHOLM IN, IN THE FACT THAT I'M ABLE TO KIND OF, YOU KNOW, DIRECT MY OWN SCHEDULE. UM, I STILL FOUND EVEN TODAY HAD SOME ISSUES GETTING HERE AT SIX. SO THAT FIVE 30 IS, IS GOING TO BE TIGHT. SO I, IF, IF, IF, IF I WERE GONNA BE ASKED FOR A CONSENSUS TONIGHT, I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY I'D RATHER STAY AT THE SIX O'CLOCK. I YELL BACK. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN PARKER. I, I GUESS I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS ABOUT IT. UM, 'CAUSE 6, 5 30 VERSUS SIX O'CLOCK IS 30 MINUTES. RIGHT? UM, AND I THINK IF, IF WE, I ACTUALLY LIKE, I'M, I'M NOT, SO I'M NOT, I'M NOT REALLY MARRIED TO FIVE 30, YOU KNOW, VERSUS STARTING AT SIX O'CLOCK. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A STRONGLY CONSIDER THOUGH, IS THE REARRANGEMENT OF WHAT IS DONE ON THE MEETING NIGHTS. AND I THINK THAT, THAT EVEN IF WE START AT SIX O'CLOCK, I STILL THINK THAT THAT COULD YIELD US SOME TIME BACK IN TERMS OF GETTING OUT OF THE MEETINGS EARLIER, IF WE PLACE SOME OF THESE OTHER ITEMS ON THAT MONDAY WORK SESSION TO BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE KIND OF GET SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT OUR COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROCLAMATION, CELEBRATORY ITEMS, RECOGNITIONS OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES THAT. UM, IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING OUR RESIDENTS AS MUCH AS WE CAN. UM, HOWEVER, I THINK IF WE COMBINE THOSE THINGS AND KEEP OUR, OUR, OUR MEETINGS TO WORK ONLY, YOU KNOW, WE COME, YOU KNOW, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE A JOB TO DO. AND SO I THINK IF WE CAN KEEP THOSE MEETING NIGHTS, MEANING THOSE TUESDAY NIGHTS STRICTLY FOR WORK, UM, THEN I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE VERY HELPFUL IN TERMS OF, OF HELPING TO KEEP THE TIME, UM, TO WHERE IT'S MANAGEABLE AND TO WHERE WE'RE NOT GETTING OUT SO LATE. BUT THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. BUT AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO, UH, THE 6:00 PM TIMEFRAME. UM, SO THAT'S MY, MY THOUGHTS. COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL. SURE THING. THANK YOU ALL FOR, UM, YOUR CONSIDERATIONS OF OF 5 35, 5 36. I, I REALLY DO APPRECIATE IT. 'CAUSE I'M A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER WHO CURRENTLY ACTUALLY GETS OFF AT FIVE O'CLOCK AND, AND SOMETIMES WORKS, EXTENDS, AND I GET HERE TO THE BEST OF MY [01:25:01] ABILITY BY SIX O'CLOCK. UM, AND SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, DEFINITELY UNDERSTANDING THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF OUR CITY AND MAKING CERTAIN THAT WE GIVE, UM, OURSELVES THE BEST OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THE BEST CANDIDATES IN THESE SEATS AFTER WE ALL ARE GONE. I THINK REALLY IMPORTANT. UM, 'CAUSE TRADITIONALLY, UM, THE, THE COUNCILS HAVE BEEN COMPRISED OF, UH, SENIOR ADULTS AND, UM, AND JUST SO THAT WE HAVE GREATER DIVERSITY, I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING THAT CONSIDERATION IS IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY FOR OUR COMMUNITY. UM, AS IT RELATES TO, UM, WHAT I SAW WITH OTHER CITIES THAT HAD THE THREE, FOUR AND EARLIER TIMEFRAMES, MOST OF THOSE CITIES, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE LIKE US, THAT WERE NOT PAID, UM, UM, THIS, THE, THE AVERAGE, WELL, THEY WERE ALL SENIOR ADULTS WHO WERE SERVING. SO JUST HAVING MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS I THINK IS IMPORTANT. BUT, UM, MY, UM, I GUESS MY QUESTIONING, UM, SO, SO I'M IN FAVOR OF LEAVING IT AS IT IS. AND WITH THE REARRANGEMENT, HOWEVER, WITH THE REARRANGEMENT, UM, MY UNDER, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IS, OR MAYBE MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE AS IT RELATES TO THE WORK SESSION. SO THIS, SO IF WE SAY THIS STARTED IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY, AND WE HAVE ONE WORK SESSION IN JANUARY THAT RE THAT WORK SESSION WILL INFORM, UM, MY RECOMMENDATION THAT IT WOULD, IT WOULD INFORM NO LESS THAN THE NEXT MONTH, UM, UH, MEETING ACTION ITEMS OR FUTURE. UM, MEANING, YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T HAVE A WORK SESSION THE THIRD MONDAY FOR A THIRD TUESDAY REGULAR MEETING. CORRECT? I, I, I WOULD NEVER WANNA SAY NEVER. RIGHT? UH, THERE, THERE MIGHT BE SOME SITUATIONS THAT COME UP, HOWEVER, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE NORMAL COURSE OF ACTION. OKAY. I THINK THAT PART WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT, UM, THE WORK SESSION WOULD NOT INFORM THAT CURRENT MONTH'S ACTION ITEMS. UM, I THINK THAT PART IS GONNA BE, WILL BE REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THEN I THINK FOR SCHEDULING PURPOSES, UM, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IT ON ONE DAY AND THEN WE HAVE IT ON THE NEXT DAY. I THINK WE NEED TO THINK THOSE THINGS THROUGH. UM, AND I THINK THOSE WERE TYPICALLY SOME TYPE OF REGULATORY TYPE, UH, DECISIONS THAT HAD TO BE MADE. UM, CAN YOU EXPOUND A LITTLE BIT MORE AS FAR AS WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT? NOT REALLY , NOT REALLY, BUT I JUST KNOW, LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER, WHETHER IT'S, YOU MEAN MORE MINISTERIAL TYPE DUTIES THAT WE HAVE? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY REGULATORY TYPE THING? YEAH. YES. YEAH. MORE MINISTERIAL MEANING LIKE PRO PLAID APPROVAL, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, OR NOT? NO, NOT, NO, NO. UM, MORE SO THINKING ABOUT, THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A, ALL OF A SUDDEN, SO WHETHER IT WAS A BOND, UM, YOU KNOW, BOND, YOU KNOW, LEARNING ABOUT A BOND, AND THEN NEXT MEETING, HERE WE GO. SO WE'VE HAD TIMES WHERE IT WAS, UH, WE LEARNED ABOUT IT ON THIS DAY, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE SAME MONTH. HERE WE GO, BAM. YOU KNOW, IT'S ON THE AGENDA. SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO THINK THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AGENDAS TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT HAS HAPPENED. BUT IT HAS HAPPENED. UM, AND PARTICULARLY SINCE WE'RE TAKING SO MANY MEETINGS OUT OF THE, THE, THE REGULAR AGENDAS NOW, I THINK THAT'S GONNA BE REALLY IMPORTANT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, THERE WAS A QUE I HAD A QUESTION TO SOMETHING YOU, YOU MENTIONED. I CAN'T THINK, I CAN'T THINK OF IT AT THIS POINT. I, HOPEFULLY IT'LL COME BACK TO ME. UM, THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RAFAEL, UH, MAYOR PRO, TIM, DR. MARKS, COUNCIL MEMBER BYRD, THOUGHTS, UM, MY THOUGHTS, IF WE ARE MOVING WORK SESSIONS TO THAT MONDAY AND THE MEETING STARTS AT SIX, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE ARE HERE AT SIX IN OUR, OUR ACTUALLY OUR COUNCIL MEETING DOESN'T START UNTIL SEVEN. SO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR THE MEETING TO ACTUALLY START AT SIX. AND, UH, NO, WORK SEC. THE WORK, THE WORK SESSIONS ARE ACTUALLY ON MONDAY. SO THAT, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR THOSE WHO, UM, UM, WHO DON'T CONTROL THEIR OWN SCHEDULES OR WHO, UM, UM, I, I THINK THAT THAT WAS, I'M, I'M IN, I CAN BE IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU DR. MARKS. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. I DO, UH, CONCUR WITH THAT. I'M GOOD EITHER WAY BECAUSE I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE, SO I CAN GO EITHER WAY. UM, BUT I DO THINK WHAT'S GONNA HELP US SHAVE SOME OF THE TIME THAT WE DO IS, LIKE YOU SAID, CUTTING IT DOWN TO ONE MINUTE PER COUNCIL MEMBER EACH, RATHER THAN LET IT, YOU KNOW, GO ON AND ON AND ON. ALSO, THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WE HAVE, MADAM MAYOR, I DON'T KNOW IF WE TALKED ABOUT THIS OR NOT AS TO WHEN THOSE NOTIFICATIONS NEED TO GET TO, UH, OUR SECRETARY. I THINK DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING AS IT'S GOING ON, I DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO GET UP AND SPEAK AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU WANNA SHUT THIS PERSON DOWN, THEN YOU, I MEAN, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH BEFORE THE ACTUAL HEARING COMES UP. WELL, ACTUALLY OTHER MEETINGS, THINGS ARE, THOSE ARE JUST DUE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING PERIOD. IT'S NOT BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT'S THE MEETING PERIOD. [01:30:01] WELL, WHAT DOES THAT DO? THAT SOMEWHAT COMES THE ATMOSPHERE. IT REALLY DOES. IT WILL CUT DOWN, UH, A PERSON HAVING TO WALK FROM THE BACK TO DISTURB, COMING TO THE FRONT TO GIVE IT TO HER. I THINK AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS, WE MIGHT AS WELL JUST PUT EVERYTHING INTO EFFECT BEFORE THE MEETING FOR THAT PARTICULAR DAY. REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT IS, IF SOMETHING IS ON FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, ALL OF THOSE NOTIFICATIONS SHOULD BE GIVEN TO, UM, OUR SECRETARY PRIOR TO THAT PARTICULAR MEETING. BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO BE UP TALKING AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE WHISPERING TO EACH OTHER BACK THERE, AND THEN THEY WANNA GET UP AND GO OVER THERE AND KIND OF REBUKE WHAT THAT PERSON HAVE SAID. SO I THINK THAT WILL SOMEWHAT STREAMLINE THAT PROCESS AS WELL. SO WE WANT OUR MEETINGS TO RUN SMOOTHLY. UH, TALKING ABOUT WORK SESSIONS, I THINK THE PURPOSE OF A WORK SESSION IS TO IRON PROBLEMS OUT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO MEETINGS, WE ALREADY KNOW WE CAN JUST KEEP MOVING. BUT WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE AS WE MOVE FORWARD, UM, IS TO USE OUR, AND SOMETIMES, AND, AND I MIGHT BE GUILTY AS WELL, I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING TO ANYONE ELSE THAT I'M NOT TALKING TO MYSELF. SOMETIMES, HYPOTHETICALLY, LET ME JUST SAY THIS. IF THERE'S A SITUATION WITH MINUTES THAT I FEEL THAT NEEDS TO BE CORRECTED OR ADJUSTED OR WHATEVER, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE, I WILL BRING UP IN THE WORK SESSION. SO WHEN IT GETS TO THE ACTUAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE CAN, I MEET, I CAN IMMEDIATELY SAY, WE CAN APPROVE THE MEETING ACCORDING TO THE CORRECTIONS OR THE SUGGESTIONS MADE DURING THE WORK SESSION, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT THINGS TO LOOK LIKE IS THAT IT'S AN I GOTCHA MOMENT, RIGHT? SO I THINK WORK SESSIONS SHOULD BE VERY WELL UTILIZED AS WORK SESSIONS RATHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, COMING TO A CONCLUSION OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO THOSE WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATIONS. UM, MOVING FORWARD. MADAM MAYOR ARE YIELD BACK. THANK YOU. UM, THAT'S WHAT IT WAS. I SEE YOUR LIGHT COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. RAPHAEL, MY MY THOUGHTS TO SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED WAS ABOUT THE FLOW OF WORK SESSION TOPICS. SO WE HAD, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT AND, AND DR. WILLIAMS, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S LATER IN YOUR SLIDES, IF ANYTHING, REGARDING THE FLOW OF WORK SESSION TOPICS, BUT AS WELL AS SUBMISSION OF CARDS TO SPEAK. IS THAT IN YOUR C SLIDES MOVING FORWARD? NOT THE WORK SESSION. OKAY. SO I WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO TOUCH ON THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, THOSE WERE PART OF THOSE WERE WE, WE DISCUSSED BOTH OF THOSE AT LENGTH. UM, SO THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ON EXACTLY HOW THE WORK SESSION TOPICS WOULD FLOW TO MAKE SURE THAT WE BY AS MUCH AS WE CAN, LIKE CITY MANAGER RICE SAID, WE CAN'T ALWAYS AVOID THAT BECAUSE JUST THINGS COME UP. SO YOU HAVE TO KIND OF GET IT IN WHEN YOU CAN GET IT IN. HOWEVER, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DISCUSS WAS MAKING SURE THAT THE WORK SESSION FLOWS AS SUCH TO WHERE THOSE AGENDA ITEMS WOULD BE FOR THAT NEXT MEETING AND NOT THE MEETING IMMEDIATELY ON THAT TUESDAY AFTER. SO WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT. UM, SO IT'S JUST, THAT'S A, THAT'S A MATTER OF STAFF AND AGENDA MANAGEMENT AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TONIGHT. BUT IT WAS NOTED AND IT WAS DISCUSSED AT LENGTH TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT ISSUE MOVING FORWARD. UM, ALSO, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS NOTE IN HERE SO WE CAN COME BACK TO IT TO MAKE SURE WE DISCUSS IT. BUT ALSO WE DID DISCUSS THAT LINK ABOUT WHEN CARDS NEED TO BE SUBMITTED AND WE HAD SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS TO MAKE SURE, LIKE DR. MARK SAID, WE DON'T HAVE INDIVIDUALS JUST GETTING UP AND THEN NOW WE HAVE A BACK AND FORTH WITH INDIVIDUALS JUST GETTING UP, PUT, FILLING OUR CARDS. AND WE DID REFERENCE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT OTHER CITIES DO. AND I KNOW EVEN OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT, I WANNA SAY THEIRS WAS, UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL DO THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY HAD TO BE SUBMITTED BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED. I'M NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED STARTS, BUT I THINK A PORTION OF THE MEETING, I THINK THAT IT NEEDS TO BE NOTED OR CALLED OUT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, THAT IF YOU NEED, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT A CARD TO GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO GET HERE, YOU KNOW, AND GET IN THE MEETING. BUT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SUBMIT A CARD, HERE'S THE DEADLINE TO DO THAT FOR THIS MEETING. NO CARDS WOULD BE ACCEPTED AFTER THAT. BUT THAT WAS MY THOUGHTS. YEAH. THE, THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION ON THIS ONE WAS TO HAVE THE, UH, WHEN THE ITEM IS CALLED BY THE CITY SECRETARY, THEY WOULD, WE WOULD ALSO THEN STATE CARDS ARE, WE'RE NO LONGER ACCEPTING CARDS FOR THIS ITEM. RIGHT? AND, AND THEN YOU MOVE INTO THE ITEM, UM, FOR THAT TO KIND OF MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THEY THEY ARE DUE PRIOR TO THE CALLING OF THAT ITEM. CORRECT. OKAY. MM-HMM. . SO, SO THEN PERHAPS BEFORE THE MEETING, MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT IT OUT AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPEN AND WE CAN ALSO MAKE SURE IT'S A PART OF OUR AGENDA. YES. UM, SO THAT WHEN INDIVIDUALS READ THE AGENDA, UM, WE COULD EVEN HAVE IT AS A BULLET POINT ON THE AGENDA CARDS ARE DUE FOR THIS. I MEAN, WE WANNA MAKE IT AS EXPLICIT AS POSSIBLE, ESPECIALLY WITH A CHANGE LIKE THAT. UM, SO THAT RESIDENTS CAN BE WELL AWARE AND RESIDENTS, APPLICANTS, WHOEVER ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK, CAN BE WELL AWARE OF WHAT THE, WHAT THE RULES ARE REGARDING CARD SUBMISSION TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. AND JUST A QUICK QUESTION. THIS [01:35:01] DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS JUST ABOUT THE MEETINGS AND THEIR, UH, SCHEDULED CHANGE, NOT ABOUT THE, UH, COMMENTS, PUBLIC COMMENTS, THE AGENDA ORDER, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S THE NEXT SLIDE. YEAH. AGENDA ORDER AS WELL. AGENDA ORDER. OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, DO I, CAN I MAKE MY COMMENT ON IT? SURE. ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT REGARDING AGENDA ORDER? YES. WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE TIMES. SO ONCE WE GET TO THE AGENDA ORDER, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO MAKE, UH, MAKE YOUR COMMENTS AT THAT TIME. BUT SHE WANTS TO GET DIRECTION FROM US AS FAR AS WHAT THE CONSENSUS IS. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONSENSUS IS OKAY WITH THE WAY THAT THIS MEETING IS ORDERED, UM, EXCEPT STARTING AT 6:00 PM FOR ALL OF OUR MEETINGS. COUNSEL IS THERE IS MAYOR, PRETEND I SAW YOUR LIGHT ON, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS? THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. UM, I'M GOOD WITH THE SIX O'CLOCK. I'M FLEXIBLE. I APPRECIATE THE WAY THE MEETINGS HAVE RUN LATELY, SO THANK YOU IN YOUR EFFORTS FOR THAT. AND I'M OKAY WITH MOVING WHAT WE NEED TO MOVE TO KEEP OUR MEETINGS FLOWING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, UH, COUNSEL. SO WE CAN GIVE HER DIRECTION AND THEN WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT PART OF THIS PRESENTATION. UM, IS THERE A CONSENSUS, UH, FOR THE MEETING ORDER THAT'S SUGGESTED WITH THOSE, ALL THOSE MEETINGS STARTING AT 6:00 PM IS THERE CONSENSUS FOR THAT? WE'LL GO, WE'LL GO DOWN, UM, STARTING WITH MAYOR PRO TEM. COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM, WE JUST APPROVING THE TIME, RIGHT? YES. THE TIME AND THE, AND THE, THE OR THE ITEMS TO DISCUSS AT EACH OF THOSE MEETINGS, ESSENTIALLY THE ITEMS ON THIS PAGE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT? YES. SO, SO THE IDEA OF KIND OF THE, THE WORK SESSIONS, HAVING THESE TYPES OF ITEMS, NO WORK SESSIONS ON THE REGULAR MEETINGS, AND THEN ALSO THE IDEA OF IT ENDING BY 10:00 PM AS WELL. I AGREE. THANK YOU DR. MARKS. YES MA'AM. I'M GOOD. I CONCUR. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. RAPHAEL? YES. WITH THE CAVEAT, I THINK WE SHOULD LEAVE OURSELVES OPEN FOR SHOULD WE NEED A SPECIAL WORK SESSION DURING A COUNCIL MEETING. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LOCK OURSELF INTO NOT HAVING FOR THE, JUST IN CASE PARTICULARLY. YEAH, THAT'S MY COMMENT. THAT'S ALWAYS THE CASE, IS WE CAN CALL A SPECIAL MEETING ANYTIME WE NEED TO. COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. YES. THANK YOU. SO THERE IS CONSENSUS FOR THAT. ALRIGHT. AND THEN NOW TO THE AGENDA ORDER. SO AT THE MOMENT WE WERE, UM, DISCUSSING MOVING OR AT LEAST HAVING THE NOTIFICATION THAT CARDS ARE DUE BEFORE THE ITEM IS READ. UM, HAVE IT AS PART OF THE AGENDA AND INCLUDE ON THE NOTIFICATIONS TO FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? SO, SO COUNSEL, WHAT WE'RE, WHAT'S UNDER CONSIDERATION IS THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU, AGENDA ORDER CHANGES. SO THAT'S ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. UM, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED? I, AM I CORRECT IN STATING PROPOSED DR. WILLIAMS? YES. WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS MOVING THE ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST WHERE EACH COUNCIL PERSON CAN SHARE ABOUT ACTIVITIES GOING ON, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, CONGRATULATIONS, BIRTHDAYS, ANNIVERSARIES, ANY, ANYTHING THAT INTERESTS THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO MON TO THAT THIRD MONDAY WORK SESSION. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? YES. TO THAT ONE TIME A MONTH? YES. YEAH, THAT FEELS DIFFERENT WHEN YOU SAY IT THAT WAY FOR THAT ONE TIME A MONTH. SO THIS IS WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT INDEBTED TO IT AT THIS POINT. THIS IS JUST WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED LIMITED TO ONE MINUTE EACH PER COUNCIL PERSON TO KIND OF, AGAIN, HOLD US TO A TIME LIMIT. ADDITIONAL, UM, COMMUNITY INTEREST ITEMS DURING THE TUESDAY MEETINGS WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE MINUTE. OKAY. ADDITIONAL ITEMS. SO EXPLAIN, SO IF YOU HAD, SO MOST OF ALL OF YOUR, UH, COMMUNITY INTEREST ITEMS WOULD BE ON MONDAY. HOWEVER, IF YOU WANTED TO DO ANOTHER COMMUNITY INTEREST ITEM ON THE TUESDAYS, YOU WOULD BE LIMITED TO ONE MINUTE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WHAT I READ. OKAY. SO ARE YOU SAYING THE LIMITED TO ONE MINUTE EACH IS REGARDING TUESDAYS. TUESDAYS, CORRECT. OKAY. YES. SO, UM, SO ON MONDAY WORK SESSIONS THAT ONE TIME A MONTH MM-HMM , THEN WE WOULD HAVE, UM, WE WOULD HAVE, AS YOU KNOW, WELL WE WOULD HOPE YOU WOULDN'T GO ON A TANGENT. IS, IS THAT RIGHT? IN TERMS OF YOUR ITEMS OF COMMUNITY? GO BACK ONE SLIDE REAL FAST, LEO, REAL QUICK. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING COMMUNITY INTEREST ITEMS ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA THERE. SO THESE ARE PROCLAMATIONS I THINK PUT IT UNDER PROCLAMATIONS AND CELEBRATORY ITEMS. YEAH. SO, SO, SO, SO I THINK, I THINK THAT'S A, I JUST WANNA MAKE CLARIFY THAT, THAT POINT. I THINK THE ONLY PLACE FOR COMMUNITY, I'M SORRY, UH, FOR, UH, ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST THANK YOU ITEMS COMMUNITY INTEREST WOULD BE ON THE TUESDAY MEETINGS. OKAY. SO I, SO I, BEFORE WE GET TOO FAR INTO IT, I AM OKAY WITH LEAVING ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST ON OUR TUESDAY MEETINGS. AS LONG AS IT'S LIMITED, THE TIME IS LIMITED, UM, IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH WE CAN SHARE TO HELP US. BECAUSE WE'VE ALSO, WE'VE ALSO TALKED ABOUT GOING BACK TO THE VIDEOS BEING MORE DELIBERATE, UM, AS A CITY AS A WHOLE WITH ADVERTISEMENT OF ALL THE EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. SO HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD, UM, THAT WILL KIND OF ENCAPSULATE US TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE PRESENT A ITEM OF COMMUNITY [01:40:01] INTEREST, IT'S TRULY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY ALREADY BEING TALKED ABOUT IN ONE OF THE OTHER CITY CHANNELS. SO IT REALLY, REALLY NICHE THINGS FOR ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST THAT MAY BE SPECIFIC TO SOMETHING HAPPENING TO YOUR DISTRICT OR SPECIFIC TO A CONSTITUENT, BUT NOT JUST REHASHING THE EVENTS THAT ARE ALREADY HAPPENING. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. SO I WOULD ACTUALLY TO THIS, TO THIS SLIDE WITH ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, I'M JUST GONNA THROW THIS OUT THERE TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME CONSENSUS ON THIS ONE PIECE. UM, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH HAVING A SPOT ON BOTH MEETINGS. 'CAUSE I THINK ONE TIME A MONTH IS PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH CONSIDERING THINGS HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, THROUGHOUT THE MONTH. UM, BUT, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WITH AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THOSE ITEMS NEED TO BE, UM, AND WITH THE TIME LIMIT FOR EACH COUNCIL PERSON TO SHARE THOSE ITEMS WITHIN, I WILL BE OKAY WITH THAT. COUNSEL, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THAT? YES, MA'AM. UH, MADAM MAYOR, I, I LIKE THE IDEA OF, UM, OF IT BEING ON TUESDAY. I DON'T NECESSARILY LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING ON MONDAY. UH, IF WE'RE DOING PROCLAMATIONS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF ON MONDAY, I THINK THAT MONDAY NEED TO STAY A WORK SESSION IN MY HEAD. IT NEED TO STAY A WORK SESSION AND WE OBSERVE AND DO THOSE PROCLAMATIONS. I THINK TUESDAY IS, UM, UM, FOR ME, TUESDAY MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE THERE. SO, AND I LIKE THE TIME LIMIT. NO, NO MORE THAN A MINUTE. MAYBE TWO MINUTES. BUT I, I LIKE, I I DO LIKE THAT I, OH, I'M SORRY, BUT I DON'T, UM, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE ON BOTH. THAT'S MY ONLY, I DON'T THINK IT NEED TO BE ON THAT TUESDAY AND THAT AND THAT MONDAY. I THINK IT MIGHT JUST NEED TO BE ON TUESDAY. SO YEAH. I'M SUGGESTING THAT IT'S ON BOTH OF OUR TUESDAY MEETINGS. SO FIRST AND THIRD, UHHUH. FIRST AND THIRD. OKAY. NOT THAT, NOT NOT THE RIGHT. MM-HMM. . SO I AGREE WITH THAT. YES. YES. MAYOR PRO TEM. THANK YOU. THANK, EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. I'M GOOD WITH THE TUESDAYS. I MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE MINUTE, BUT I'M GOOD. . I KNOW SHE HAS ALL THE, SHE HAS ALL THE BIG TICKET ITEMS. THAT WAS SHADE . OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR PRO TEM COUNSEL, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT SAY YE IN REGARD TO ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST. I'M GONNA START ON THIS END NOW. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. UM, WITH HAVING ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST WITH THE TIME LIMIT, UM, ON FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAY. I AGREE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL? UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE 1.5 MINUTES ON MONEY ON, UNLESS I, I WILL SAY, SAY REGULAR. SO YES TO THE REGULAR WORK SESSIONS. SO I MEAN, NOT WORK SESSIONS TO THE REGULAR MEETING, BUT I WOULD PROPOSE 1.5 MINUTES. WOULD YOU BE OKAY WITH TWO? CAN WE MEET THERE SINCE THAT'S OUR ROUND TIME ANYWAY. WE GOT A COOL . A COOL, WELL, I, I WAS GIVING US UP TO 10 MINUTES 'CAUSE I DO KNOW, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY, YES, I'M FINE WITH THAT. OKAY, WE'LL SAY LET'S JUST, WE'LL, WE'LL GRACEFULLY SAY TWO MINUTES, UH, FOR THOSE ITEMS JUST IN CASE. UM, COUNCIL MEMBER BY, UH, YES. EVERY, EVERY TUESDAY OR EVERY FIRST AND THIRD, EVERY FIRST AND THIRD TUESDAY AND WHATEVER THE TIME, TWO MINUTES IS WHAT WE DO AT FUNERALS. SO THAT'S FINE. , DR. MARKS, I'M OKAY WITH FIRST AND THIRD TWO MINUTES. DR. MARKS, I CONCURRENT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM. I CONCUR. THANK YOU. MAYOR PRO TEM MAYOR PRO TEM. OH, YES. . SHE'S TRYING TO GET OVER WHAT, HOW SHE GONNA GET ALL THIS STUFF IN . SO, SO MAYOR, MAYOR POINT OF, UH, OF, UH, INFORMATION. WHEN, WHEN THESE EVENTS ARE SCROLLING ON THE SCREEN, IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE SOUND OR SOMETHING TO MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING? BECAUSE WHAT I'VE NOTICED, PEOPLE ARE NOT EVEN NOTICING THAT THEY'RE TALKING TO EACH OTHER. SO I'M JUST THINKING IF THERE WAS SOME TYPE OF VOICE, NOT MINE, BUT, UM, IF THERE WAS SOMEBODY TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE PARTICULAR EVENTS, IT WOULD CAPTURE THEIR ATTENTION AND IT WOULD QUIET DOWN EVERYBODY AND GET 'EM READY FOR THE MEETING TO COME. SO THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE WANNA LOOK AT. AND WE CAN TALK TO LATOYA, BECAUSE WHEN WE INITIALLY STARTED DOING THE VIDEO ANNOUNCEMENTS, WE DID HAVE A VOICEOVER. SO, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT JUST MAKES IT MORE ENGAGING. ABSOLUTELY. UM, BUT WE DID HAVE A VOICEOVER, UM, SO WE CAN DEFINITELY TALK WITH LATOYA ABOUT. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU DR. MARKS. YES. DULY NOTED COMMENTS. YES. SO NOW WE HAVE, UM, THE, THE NEXT ITEM WE NEED TO GET CONSENSUS ON, ON THIS SLIDE IN TERMS OF AGENDA ORDER IS, UH, NON AGENDA ITEMS, CITIZEN COMMENTS. SO WE HAD A, WE DID DISCUSS THAT AT LENGTH AS WELL. UM, I WANTED TO JUST PREFACE THIS DISCUSSION, UM, REGARDING THE FACT THAT THIS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TIME THAT OUR NON AGENDA ITEMS, CITIZEN COMMENTS WERE AT THE END OF THE MEETING. UM, THEY WERE LIKE THAT, I I WANNA SAY UP UNTIL 2020, I'M NOT SURE WHEN [01:45:01] IT ENDED, BUT I KNOW WHEN I CAME ON COUNCIL IN 2013, THAT WAS THE WAY THAT IT HAD ALWAYS BEEN DONE. AND SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PHILOSOPHY BEHIND THAT WAS TO ALLOW THE COUNCIL TO GET THEIR BUSINESS OUT OF THE WAY SINCE THE ITEMS COULD NOT BE ADDRESSED IN THAT WAY ANYWAY. AND TO BE ABLE TO GET OUR BUSINESS OUT OF THE WAY AND THEN HAVE THOSE COMMENTS ON THE TAIL END. WE HAD, I MEAN, AT THE TIME, JUST BASED ON MY RECOLLECTION, I RECOLLECTION I'VE SLEPT SINCE THEN, BUT WE ALL, WE, WE HAD INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL WAIT UNTIL THE CONCLUSION OF OUR MEETINGS, UH, TO, TO SPEAK DURING THAT PORTION OF THE AGENDA. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HINDERED OR HELPED. YOU KNOW, HOW HOW WOULD WE KNOW, RIGHT? UM, BUT I KNOW THAT WE DID HAVE INDIVIDUALS THAT WOULD WAIT TO SPEAK DURING THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING. AND SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION NOW, COUNSEL, IN TERMS OF YOUR PREFERENCE, UH, FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS, CITIZEN COMMENTS TO BE MOVED TO THE END OF THE MEETING OR KEEP THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING? COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL? YEAH, THANK YOU. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE TO, TO, UH, LEAVE IT, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. AND IN PART, UM, UM, FOR ME, PART OF IT IS A SAFETY CONCERN. UM, I WOULD RATHER AN ANGRY RESIDENT GO AHEAD AND, AND GIVE FULL VENT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING THAN TO SIT AND STEW. UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD INSTANCES WHERE IN THOSE TIMES WHEN THEY WERE AT THE END, YOU KNOW, UH, THAT RESIDENT, UM, MAY TAKE THAT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AND JUST KIND OF HEM THAT COUNCIL MEMBER UP OR RATHER, YOU KNOW, JUST, YOU KNOW, TAKE THAT COUNCIL MEMBER. AND OF COURSE WE'RE ALL, ALL VERY CORDIAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. BUT, AND THEN FOR THOSE WHO, UM, DID NOT INTEND TO, YOU KNOW, SIT THROUGH THE WHOLE MEETING, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE LOVE FOR EVERY RESIDENTS TO DO THAT. UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK JUST GIVING THEM THAT VENT, UM, FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO VENT OR FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SOMETHING THAT COULD INFORM SOMETHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, UM, UH, IF WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THAT LIMITATION ON, HEY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR INFORMATION IN BY THIS CERTAIN TIME, THE CITIZEN COMMENTS, WELL, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU THIS FOR CITIZEN COMMENTS. WELL, THEY NEED TO MAKE THOSE, IS THERE A CERTAIN TIME, UM, THAT WE'RE GIVING THEM A CUTOFF AND FILLING THAT OUT? SO IF WE'RE GIVING THEM THAT CUTOFF AND IF IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO THE OTHER, I THINK LEAVING IT AT THE BEGINNING IS JUST FAIR. AND THEN FOR ME, MY PERSONAL SAFETY, UM, I WOULD JUST RATHER, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOMEBODY COOL OFF VERSUS, YOU KNOW, SIT AND SUE AND SOUR TO THE VERY END. THANK YOU. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, RAPHAEL, CONSIDERING THE MEETING WILL NOT BE AS IT IS NOW, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE THE ABILITY FOR SOMEBODY TO FILL OUT A CARD WHILE THE PRESENTATIONS ARE GOING ON OR WHILE THIS IS GOING ON. SO IT WOULD BE, I MEAN, ALMOST IMMEDIATE, YOU KNOW, FROM IN MY, JUST BASED ON THE WAY THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT THE MEETINGS, WOULD MOVE FORWARD AT THIS POINT CONSIDERING THE CHANGES THAT IF THAT IS, THAT WOULD ESSENTIALLY WE WOULD, WITHOUT THE CITIZEN COMMENTS, WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE GOING RIGHT INTO OUR MEETING. UM, AND SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. AND SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, IF WE KEPT IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE RIGHT AT 6:00 AM I UNDERSTAND. I I, I STILL WAS SUPPORT LEAVING IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CLARK. UM, MY OPINION ON THAT WOULD BE ALSO TO LEAVE IT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. I JUST FIND IT, UH, NECESSARY TO ALLOW, I, I'D LIKE FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THEIR COMMENT AND THEN BE ABLE TO SIT THROUGH THE MEETING, UH, IF THEY CHOOSE TO OR NOT CHOOSE TO. UM, AND I ALSO DID A LITTLE RESEARCH ON THAT. I LOOKED AROUND AT THE OTHER, UH, AREAS, UH, RED OAK LAKE, LANCASTER, DUNCANVILLE, CEDAR HILL, ALL OF THEM HAVE THEIR CITIZENS' COMMENTS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. I JUST THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IT FEELS, IT WOULD FEEL LIKE WE WERE TRYING TO SAY, WE, WE WANT YOU TO JUST WAIT. AND I JUST, I KNOW THIS IS A BUSINESS MEETING, I GET THAT, BUT I REALLY STILL BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZENS' COMMENTS SHOULD BE AT THE BEGINNING GIVE THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTS AND THEN BE ABLE TO EITHER LEAVE THE MEETING OR STAY IN THE MEETING AND CONTINUE FORWARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM. THANK YOU, MAYOR. UM, I AGREE. I THINK THAT, UH, CITIZENS SHOULD, UH, BE AT THE FRONT TAIL OF THE MEETING. ONE THING THAT WE DID NOT DISCUSS, UM, THAT I WISH WE HAD OF, UM, BUT PUBLIC HEARINGS, UM, WHICH INCLUDE RESIDENTS COMMENTS AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW WHY WE NEVER DISCUSSED MOVING THAT UP IS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. I'M OFTEN HIT WITH PEOPLE THAT WANNA COME OUT AND SPEAK ON PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT BECAUSE THEY TYPICALLY HAPPEN, I'VE TIMED THEM AROUND EIGHT 15 ISH, EIGHT 30 ISH. IT'S ALREADY VERY LATE FOR THEM. AND THEN SITTING THROUGH THAT, UM, AND, AND, AND TRYING TO WAIT, THOSE WHO ARE THE MOST, UH, ANGRY AND DETERMINED WILL, BUT THOSE WHO, WHO DON'T, WILL USUALLY LEAVE THEIR CARD AND THEN THEY'RE NOT HERE ANYMORE. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT MOVING THAT ONE UP TOO, TO GET THAT KNOCKED OUT OF THE WAY. BUT, UM, I AM STILL CONCURRENT OF THE CITIZEN COMMENT GOING, STANDING IN THE FRONT PART OF THE MEETING. AND COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM, KEEP IN MIND, SINCE WE HAVE REARRANGED THE MEETING STUFF, THAT IT WOULD INEVITABLY MOVE THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS UP TO A EARLIER TIME BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THE [01:50:01] ITEMS THAT TYPICALLY WILL DELAY THE PUBLIC HEARINGS FROM STARTING, UM, ON THOSE MEETING NIGHTS. SO AGAIN, COUNSEL, KEEP FRAME IT BY THE FACT THAT, OKAY, IF WE ARE MOVING FORWARD, WHICH WE'VE AGREED THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO THAT MEETING, WE CAN IMMEDIATELY COME IN AT SIX O'CLOCK AND START, DO OUR ITEMS OF COMMUNITY INTEREST, GIVE THE RESIDENTS TIME TO FILL OUT THEIR CARD DURING THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING OR BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS. UM, AND THEN MAKE THE FINAL CALL, RIGHT, FOR CITIZENS' COMMENTS, HAVE THAT PORTION, AND WE CAN GO INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS RIGHT AWAY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT TYPICALLY WOULD DELAY THE MEETING. AND THEN OUR REGULAR AGENDA ITEMS ARE TYPICALLY AFTER OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS CONCLUDE. SO IT WOULD INEVITABLY BE MOVED THAT TIME UP. I, I'D LIKE, I, I SUPPORT THAT. I THINK WHAT IS THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT, THAT SEPARATES THE TWO? AND SO WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, WE COULD FLIP THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PUBLIC HEARINGS WHERE THEY'RE PLACED. WE COULD, I MEAN, GENERALLY THE CONSENT AGENDA IS A, IS A YAY OR NAY UNLESS WE HAVE ITEMS THAT ARE PULLED THAT MAY DELAY THAT. SO I WOULD, I MEAN, I'M, I'M OKAY WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA UNLESS EVERYBODY, UNLESS OTHERS HAVE THOUGHTS ON IT. BUT HOWEVER, IT WOULD, IT WOULD NOT BE NEARLY AS LATE TO YOUR POINT AS IT WOULD NORMALLY BE. IT WOULD DEFINITELY, IT, IT WOULD DEFINITELY HELP TO, TO MOVE THOSE, YOU KNOW, THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS WOULD BE, AT THE VERY LATEST, I COULD SEE THEM STARTING AT SEVEN, RIGHT? IF WE START OUR MEETINGS AT SIX O'CLOCK AT THE VERY LATEST, YOU KNOW, UNLESS SOMETHING IS JUST GOING OFF THE RAILS WITH CONSENT AGENDA, YOU KNOW, , UM, I, I SEE THEM STARTING NO LATER THAN SEVEN O'CLOCK. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A GOOD HOUR EVEN TO ALLOW PEOPLE, LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, ABOUT PEOPLE HAVING TO GET HERE FROM WORK, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, SO THEY CAN COME AND BE. AND, AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD ALSO IS WE'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH HAVING THE CARDS TO BE TURNED IN BEFORE IT STARTS. AND ONCE THE CONSENTED PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN OPENED, WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY MORE CARDS, SO WE CAN BETTER TIME THE COMMENTS AS WELL. YES. COUNCILMAN BYRD. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I'M SORRY I HAD TO STEP OUT, BUT THIS IS WHERE I AM WITH THE CITIZEN'S, UH, APPEARANCE OR CITIZENS' COMMENTS. UM, I BELIEVE SINCE WE CANNOT RESPOND TO THEM, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T RESPOND. WE CAN JUST HEAR THEM THAT, UH, PUTTING THEM AT THE END MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE. WE CAN'T TAKE ANY ACTIONS ON THEM. UM, I THINK THAT WE DO THE BUSINESS, UH, THAT IS JUST MY, MY, MY THOUGHTS. AND IF THEY ARE COMMENTS THAT WOULD, THAT MIGHT GIVE THEM A TIME, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DO ABOUT CALLING FOR ALL CITIZENS' COMMENTS, IT MIGHT GIVE THEM TIME TO GET HERE AND TO FILL OUT A DEAL BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING AT SIX, AND IF EVERYTHING HAS TO BE IN ABOUT SIX, YOU KNOW, AT SIX O'CLOCK, THEN WHAT IF THEY GET HERE AT SIX 15? OR, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK WE NEED TO WORK THROUGH THAT. BUT I, I, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF MOVING THEM, UM, THAT THAT DOES NOT TIE TO A PUBLIC HEARING, UH, TO THE END BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY TAKE ACTION ANYWAY. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO WITH THEM OTHER THAN TO HEAR THEM, HEAR THEM OUT AND, AND SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN BYRD. UM, COUNSEL, ARE THERE ANY MORE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS BEFORE I CALL FOR A CONSENSUS ON THIS ITEM, WHICH IS MOVING THE, UM, NON-AG AGENDA, CITIZEN COMMENTS TO THE END OF THE MEETING OR NOT? ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE I CALL FOR CONSENSUS? LET, YES. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR, LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE MY COMMENT. UM, CONSIDERING THAT THIS IS A COUNCIL MEETING AND KEEPING THINGS, UM, BUSINESS UPFRONT, UH, I'M IN FAVOR OF LEAVING IT AT THE END FOR THE NON AGENDA ITEMS. UM, I THINK OUR RESIDENTS WILL BE OKAY, REGARDLESS OF WHICH WAY WE PUT IT. SO I THINK KEEPING IT IN THE MINDSET OF THAT THIS IS A COUNCIL MEETING AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE INVITED TO THE COUNCIL MEETING AND WE'RE KEEPING COUNCIL BUSINESS UPFRONT. I THANK YOU DR. MARKS. I'M GONNA START, UM, I'M GONNA KIND OF ROTATE MAYOR PRO TE I DO HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN IT WAS MOVED, DO YOU REMEMBER WHY IT WAS WHEN, WHEN IT WAS MOVED TO THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETINGS? YES. UM, I KNOW MS. THOMAS AND MS. COUNCILMAN RAPHAEL COULD, AND MAYBE COUNCILMAN BY, AND DR. MARKS COULD SPEAK TO WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT THAT TIME. IN PART, IN PART, IT WAS K BROWN PAT COUNCILWOMAN K, FORMER K, UH, COUNCILWOMAN K, BROWN PATRICK, WHO RECOMMENDED IT AT THAT TIME BECAUSE, WELL, WE FOUND THAT MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WOULD HAVE LEFT BY THEN. UM, AND SO GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY AT THE BEGINNING, UM, UM, YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH IT. SO FOR THOSE, INSTEAD OF THOSE WAITING AND WAITING AND, AND GETTING EXHAUSTED, YOU KNOW, UM, IT WAS MOVED TO THE FRONT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT AS IT IS WITH LIMITATIONS OF WHEN PEOPLE COULD SIGN IN. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO BEFORE THE MEETING? YES. I MEAN, NOT AT THE END. CORRECT. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER [01:55:01] CHISHOLM, UH, FAVOR OF KEEPING IT IN THE FRONT AND SIGN IN BEFORE IT SAYS CERTAIN PERIOD. YEAH. OKAY. DR. MARKS, I THINK I KNOW WHERE YOU STAND. OKAY. UM, I'M GOING TO, I WAS, I WAS, I WAS OKAY WITH EITHER ONE. I LEANED MORE TOWARDS PLACING THEM AT THE END, UM, UH, BECAUSE OF JUST THE FACT THAT I'VE SEEN IT DONE. AND FOR THE MOST PART IT SEEMED TO HAVE WORKED AS WELL. HOWEVER, UM, I DID HEAR COUNCILWOMAN RAPHAEL'S, UH, QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS, AND SO I'M GOING TO, UM, STATE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP 'EM AT THE BEGINNING OF, OF THE MEETING. COUNCILMAN BYRD? UM, I AGREE THAT THIS IS A COUNCIL MEETING AND, UH, IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, I THINK IT SHOULD BE AT THE END. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. RAPHAEL. THANK YOU. UH, AT THE BEGINNING. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER, AT THE BEGINNING. ALRIGHT. UM, SO THERE IS A CONSENSUS TO LEAVE THEM AS IS AT THE BEGINNING, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A HARD DEADLINE. UM, AND WE'LL MAKE SURE. UM, AND I, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE THAT WITH ANY OF THESE, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME EDUCATION, UH, WITH THE PUBLIC IN TERMS OF THE NEW TIMES FROM HERE ON UP TO THOSE TIMES CHANGED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, GRANTED, YOU KNOW, AS A COURTESY, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THEM AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. HOWEVER, THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE TIME THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO BE HERE TO FILL THOSE CARDS OUT AND MAKING SURE THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT? EITHER? NO, IT'S NOT JUST, JUST KIND OF THROWING IT OUT THERE FOR STAFF AND US TO, TO KNOW. THANK YOU DR. WILLIAMS. NEXT SLIDE. SO, UM, THE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HAD IT RIGHT. THE, UM, NON AGENDA, UH, CITIZEN COMMENTS WILL BE AT THE BEGINNING AND THE CARDS WOULD NEED, NEED TO TURN IN BEFORE THE MEETING STARTS. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. SO THE NEXT ITEM, WELL, THREE MINUTES. UM, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW MANY WE HAVE, IF WE SEE THAT WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE, THEN UH, WE DO HAVE, WE'RE AT LIBERTY TO, TO TO, YEAH. TO CHANGE THAT TIME. OKAY. NOW, SINCE WE ARE REVIEWING THE, UM, SCHEDULE CHANGES AND, AND, UH, CONSIDERATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR, WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE ACTUAL CALENDAR SCHEDULE. UM, AND WHAT I PUT IN FRONT OF YOU IS, UH, LAST OR THIS CURRENT YEAR'S CANCELED MEETINGS, UM, JUST THE LIST AND THEN CONSIDERATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR'S, UM, MEETINGS TO CANCEL. SO IF YOU WANNA, AND I THINK THE ONLY CHANGE WAS FOR THE JUNETEENTH HOLIDAY SINCE JUNETEENTH IS ACTUALLY ON A WEDNESDAY. SAY THAT AGAIN, DOC. UM, THE JUNE 19TH, UH, UM, CANCEL MEETING THIS PAST YEAR WAS DUE TO THE JUNETEENTH HOLIDAY, BUT NEXT YEAR, JUNE, UH, JUNE 19TH IS ON A WEDNESDAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE JUST, OH, I'M SORRY. I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE SECOND. I'M LIKE, THIS IS 2023. UM, SO I'M LOOKING, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE OTHER SLIDE. THANK YOU. SORRY. UH, AUGUST, DECEMBER. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANNA CONTINUE TO CURRENT SCHEDULE STRUCTURE OR CONSIDERING NEW SCHEDULE STRUCTURE? YEAH. THE, THE BASIC QUESTION HERE IS SUMMER SCHEDULE, RIGHT? UH, CANCELING THE FIRST TUESDAY MEETING IN, IN, UH, JUNE, JULY, AND AUGUST, AND CANCELING THE LAST SET OF MEETINGS IN DECEMBER. OBVIOUSLY MLK DAY IS A HOLIDAY, SO WE WON'T BE MEETING ANYWAY THAT DAY. UM, BUT IT'S JUST ON THE LIST. YOUR HERO WOULD BE THE LIST OF CANCELED MEETINGS THAT WE WOULD, UH, BRING FORWARD TO YOU AT THE, WITH CONSIDERATION OF ALL THESE ITEMS. OKAY. ARE WE, SO THIS, BUT WE, THIS, THIS WILL BE CONSIDERED VIA ORDINANCE RIGHT? AT ANOTHER MEETING. SINCE, SINCE WE ARE, OUR, OUR, OUR THOUGHT WAS SINCE WE'RE DOING ALL THESE CHANGES, WE WOULD BE DOING 'EM AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WE WOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THESE CHANGES. OKAY. SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. BUT I'M SAYING WE WOULD HAVE TO APPROVE THESE VIA ORDINANCE. CORRECT. WILL WE HAVE, UH, BY RESOLUTION? BY RESOLUTION, CORRECT. YES. UHHUH, WELL RESOLUTION. AND, AND SO WHAT WE WOULD JUST DO IS, UH, AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PUNT THIS QUESTION TO A LATER, UH, LATER DATE AS WELL, BUT WE THOUGHT SINCE WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE START TIMES, THE REALLY, THE SETTING OF THE START TIMES IS DONE BY WAY OF THAT RESOLUTION. AND SO SINCE WE'RE ALREADY SETTING THE RESOLUTION, WE MIGHT AS WELL PUT THE DATES IN THERE AS WELL. THAT WAS OUR KIND OF OUR PRE-THINKING, GUESS. YEAH, NO, I, I AGREE. I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S SMART. UM, I DON'T SEE, OTHER THAN, YEAH, AND I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN ON THE SUMMER SCHEDULE FOR THE LAST TWO SUMMERS, I BELIEVE LAST, THE LAST TWO SUMMERS. UM, ALSO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP REGARDING THE SUMMER, UH, THE SUMMER MEETINGS, UM, WE TYPICALLY WILL ALSO HAVE, WHICH I, I THINK IT'S JUST, I THINK IT JUST ESCAPED ME. I KNOW, ME PERSONALLY, I KNOW WE WOULD DO A SUMMER ATTIRE, MEANING THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS COULD WEAR JEANS, POLOS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE WOULD BE MORE CASUAL, RELAXED, UM, UH, ATTIRE TO THE COUNCIL MEETINGS. I DON'T [02:00:01] KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO CONSIDER FOR OUR SUMMER MEETINGS. IT, REGARDLESS OF THE SCHEDULE FOR THE SUMMER, BUT ALSO IMPLEMENTING A SUMMER, UH, DRESS CODE FOR THE MEETINGS. WE'VE DONE IT IN THE PAST. UM, AND IT OBVIOUSLY WORKED OUT WELL. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ENJOY KIND OF GETTING TO DRESS DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR SOME OF THE MEETINGS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM. UM, THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, THE ONLY, UM, THE THING THAT I'D LIKE FOR US TO CONSIDER IS NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. I WAS ASKED BY, UH, THE HO ONE OF MY HOAS IN MY, UH, DISTRICT THIS YEAR. IF THE CITY OF DESOTO WOULD CONSIDER NOT, UM, RECOGNIZING THE ONE IN AUGUST DUE TO THE EXTREME HEAT TEMPERATURES. AND IF WE WOULD, UH, JUST DO THE ONE THAT'S IN OCTOBER. AND MY, MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT NOT, I LIKE THE ONE IN OCTOBER. 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE WEATHER IS JUST NOT GREAT, RIGHT? BUT IF WE DO THE ONE IN OCTOBER, IF WE COULD MOVE THE COUNCIL MEETING TO ANOTHER WEEK LIKE SOME OTHER CITIES DO, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO RUSH OUT AT SEVEN 30 WHEN IT'S GETTING DARK AND THEN TRY TO MAKE ALL THESE DIFFERENT HOAS AND JUST FEELING DISAPPOINTED. 'CAUSE WE CANNOT REACH EVERYONE. AND THEN LIKE, LIKE THIS YEAR, BY THE TIME WE GOT OUT FOR NATIONAL NIGHT OUT, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WAS CLOSED. WAS OVER. YEAH. THEY, THEY HAD CLOSED BUSINESS AND WENT HOME. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, THEN UM, WE COULD DO LIKE OTHER CITIES DO, UH, AND MOVE IT TO AN ALTERNATE WEEK OR JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, ALTERNATE DAY AND JUST GET BACK ON SCHEDULE AS NORMAL SO THAT WE CAN BE ATTENDED TO OUR, THE RESIDENTS AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY DID TO MAKE THOSE NATIONAL NIGHTS OUT HAPPEN. BECAUSE WE TYPICALLY WILL MISS A LOT OF THE ONES, ESPECIALLY THOSE, BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME HOAS THAT WILL START AT 6:00 PM THEY'LL START EARLIER AND WE HAVE MISSED THOSE BY THE TIME WE GET TO THEM. EVEN, EVEN ON THE NIGHTS WE END OUR MEETINGS EARLY, WE WILL HAVE MISSED THOSE. IF THE ONES IN AUGUST I WILL BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. I ALSO WANNA THROW OUT THERE AND COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL, I DO SEE YOUR LIGHT. UM, TML IS ALWAYS A, UM, IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE. UM, THIS YEAR, NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE TO TRAVEL, BUT ANYTIME WE GO TO TML, WE HAVE TO TRAVEL. GENERALLY WE HAVE TO COUNSEL OUR COUNCIL MEETING. UM, ANYWAY, SO I'M WONDERING WHAT COULD BE A SOLUTION FOR THAT. SO WE DON'T LOSE A MEETING SIMPLY BECAUSE OF TML TRAVEL. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAKING AN EXCEPTION FOR THE OCTOBER MEETING AND MOVING IT TO ANOTHER. I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE THIS YEAR HAS BEEN THE ONLY YEAR THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD TO CANCEL IT. UM, AND THAT'S ONLY BECAUSE IT WAS HERE IN, IN DALLAS. IT WAS HERE. LOCAL CITY MANAGER, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. IN FACT, SO THAT TML, UM, THE, THE TYPICALLY YOUR TRAVEL DAY RIGHT, TO GET TO THE OTHER CITY IS THAT SAME NIGHT AS THE TEXAS NIGHT OUT OCTOBER DATE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT'S BEEN A CONFLICT FOR US IN THE PAST. UM, AN OPTION WOULD BE IF YOU STILL WANNA HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING CONDUCTING THAT ON THE, UM, ON THE MONDAY, CORRECT? YEAH, JUST THE DAY BEFORE. SO WE WOULD JUST PUT ON THE SCHEDULE AS THE MONDAY MEETING AND THEN TUESDAY, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH ONLY RECOGNIZING THAT TUESDAY, UH, TEXAS NIGHT OUT IS THAT THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE YOUR TRAVEL NIGHT OF GETTING TO THAT LOCATION. SO YOU HAVE A, A CONFLICT WITH THE COUNCIL NOW, CERTAINLY NATIONAL NIGHT OUT WE COULD STILL DO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, RIGHT. BUT THE COUNCIL, I KNOW DESIRES TO BE THERE. UM, AND THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT SCHEDULE WISE THAT EVENING IF, IF MULTIPLE PEOPLE WANTED TO ATTEND. UM, FOR 2024. YOU SAID NATIONAL NIGHT, UH, TEXAS NIGHT OUT IS THE FIRST TUESDAY OR SECOND IN OCTOBER, TYPICALLY THE FIRST TUESDAY, OCTOBER. IN OCTOBER, CORRECT? YEAH, OCTOBER IS WHAT? FIRST TUESDAY IN OCTOBER. OH, OKAY. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY, AND THEN TML IS OCTOBER 9TH. TM L IS THAT FIRST? IT'S USUALLY ALWAYS THERE WEDNESDAY . OH, I SEE. I SAY, OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL OR JANUARY, UM, FOR MONDAY, JANUARY 15TH, WHICH IS MOK DAY. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT DAY BECAUSE THAT DAY ACTUALLY IS A HOLIDAY. HOWEVER, BECAUSE IF, IF WE, SINCE THIS THIS YEAR, WE WILL NOT HAVE A MEETING ON MONDAY, DECEMBER 18TH, DECEMBER 19TH MEETING. WE'LL MISS A TOPICAL WORK SESSION. AND THEN MOVING INTO THIS NEW FORMAT, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY SAYING THAT WE WON'T HAVE A WORK SESSION IN THE MONTH OF JANUARY UNLESS WE'RE SAYING WE'LL HAVE A, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING THAT COUNCIL MEETING TO A DIFFERENT DATE, THAT WORK SESSION FOR THE MONTH OF JANUARY. UM, AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER HAVE ADDING A DATE IN JANUARY FOR THAT. UM, FOR ME, FOR THE SUMMER SCHEDULES, UM, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE RATIONALE WAS TO GIVE STAFF TIME OFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I AND, AND US TIME OFF. I THINK IF YOU NEED TO TAKE TIME OFF, YOU KNOW, WE, WE TAKE TIME OFF, YOU KNOW, AS WE JUST ALL SHOULD. UM, AND SO WHAT I'VE NOTICED WITH THE SCHEDULING, UM, WITH OUR CURRENT, CURRENTLY WITH OUR TWO WORK SESSIONS, IT'S JUST A LOT TO COUPLE THAT WITH ALL OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT THEN START TO MULTIPLY, UM, WHEN THINGS GO THROUGH P AND Z, IT'S JUST BEEN SIMPLY A LOT TO CARRY IN THE MEETING. SO TO HAVE A BUDGET AND A PUBLIC HEARING ON SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT'S [02:05:01] TOO MUCH FOR US. AND SO I WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER NOT HAVING SO MANY DAYS THE THREE DAYS OFF OR THAT ONCE THAT ONE MEETING OFF, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING, GIVING AUGUST BACK, UM, PUTTING THAT BACK ON ON THE BOOKS. 'CAUSE THAT'S RIGHT AFTER THE BUDGET SEASON. AND, UM, PUTTING BACK ON THE BOOKS, THE TWO, DECEMBERS TWO, I'M SORRY, PUTTING BACK ON THE BOOKS, THE TWO DECEMBER DATES BEING PROPOSED, WHICH IS DECEMBER 16TH, DECEMBER 18TH, CONSIDERING CHRISTMAS IS THE FOLLOWING WEEK. AND THEN THE NEW YEAR IS THE FOLLOWING WEEK. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, HAVING TIME OFF, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S NOT RUNNING INTO THAT. AND IF PEOPLE TRAVEL, YOU KNOW, WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST MOVE ON. UH, UNLESS WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM. I, I'M SORRY MADAM MAYOR POINT OF, UH, CLARIFICATION. DID YOU, WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT AUGUST? WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT AUGUST PUT BACK ON THE CALENDAR FOR AUGUST? THE, SO JUST HAVE, I THINK WHAT I HEARD THERE WAS A LOT SAID, BUT I THINK WHAT I HEARD WAS THE JUNE AND JULY I GUESS WOULD BE OKAY. BUT PUT AUGUST BACK ON BACK ON SOME OF THE RATIONALE WAS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE DID HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH, OR POSSIBLY COULD HAVE AND DID AT THE TIME HAD YOUNG COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH FAMILIES. SO SCHOOL IS STARTING BACK. UM, AND SO TO HAVE THAT TIME FOR, UH, FOR BACK TO SCHOOL WAS KIND OF TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION I THINK WITH THE INITIAL, INITIAL ASK FOR AUGUST AS WELL. AND STAFF OBVIOUSLY WITH BACK TO SCHOOL. SO, SO JUST A BIT OF OF NEW INFORMATION HERE. UH, SINCE LUCKILY, UH, CITY SECRETARY THOMAS WAS ABLE TO FORWARD THIS OVER, SO IN TML FOR OCTOBER OF NEXT YEAR IS, UH, THE WEEK AFTER, SO IT'S THE NINTH, 10TH, AND 11TH. UH, WHAT THAT DOES FOR YOUR SCHEDULE THIS YEAR IS ALLOWED FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY THAT WE TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE, RIGHT? SO WE COULD STILL DO THIS THE TUESDAY COUNCIL MEETING IN, UH, THE 1ST OF OCTOBER THAT COULD STILL BE RECOGNIZED AS, UM, AS TEXAS NIGHT OUTS FOR IT. NOW, TYPICALLY ON THAT AUGUST 6TH MEETING RIGHT THERE, THAT WE, WE HAVE, THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE CANCEL IT IS NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE THE CONTINUATION OF THE SUMMER SCHEDULE ALWAYS, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT'S ALSO TEXAS OR THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT DATE. AND SO RATHER THAN HAVE A SHORT MEETING, YOU ALWAYS KIND OF CANCELED THAT ONE AND KIND OF KEPT GOING. WE COULD KEEP THE AUGUST 6TH MEETING THIS YEAR IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO DO A CITYWIDE RECOGNITION OF, OF NATIONAL NIGHT OUT THAT EVENING AND JUST KEEPING A NORMAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING, UM, AND THEN REC AND DO, DO THE TEXAS NIGHT OUT ON THAT, UH, OCTOBER 1ST DATE INSTEAD. YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY THIS YEAR THAT WE NORMALLY DON'T HAVE. UM, IS, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. YEAH. MADAM MAYOR AND THANK, THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH. UM, CLARIFICATION. ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO BRING UP WHEN I FIRST STARTED NATIONAL NIGHT OUT REALLY WASN'T AN ISSUE AND THAT WAS 'CAUSE WE HAD ALL THE MEETINGS ALREADY ON THE CALENDAR AS WELL AS, UM, THAT NIGHT WAS REALLY LIGHT WITH THE WORK SESSION ONLY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER. AND WE HAD TIME, SO THE MEETINGS WERE ABOUT 30 MEETINGS, BUT WITH HAVING ALL THE DAYS OUT, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY DOES IMPACT, YOU KNOW, JUST THESE DIFFERENT DAYS. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS A POINT OF INFORMATION. OKAY. COUNSEL, UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS BEFORE WE, UM, OR ANY OTHER TWEAKS TO WHAT'S BEING PRESENTED HERE SO WE CAN GET A CONSENSUS ON THE DATES BEING PRESENTED? COUNCIL, UH, MAYOR PERAM. THANK YOU. I LIKE THE IDEA OF, UM, THE OCTOBER MEETING. I'M SORRY, HOW DID BRANDON JUST SAY THAT WE WOULD NOT HAVE SO COULD DO CITY MANAGER, RIGHT? CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? YES. YEAH. SO, UH, ON YOUR OCTOBER 1ST MEETING YES. UM, HAVING THAT BE ESSENTIALLY A SHORTENED CITY COUNCIL MEETING FOLLOWED BY, UH, FOLLOWED BY TEXAS NIGHT OUT THERE WE GO ON PARTICIPATION IN TEXAS NIGHT OUT, THAT WE WOULD DO MORE CITYWIDE THAT EVENING AND LESS DOING THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT ON AUGUST 6TH. SO WE WOULD NOT NECESSARILY GO AROUND AND DO NATIONAL NIGHT OUTS THAT EVENING. WE WOULD JUST KEEP A, IF WE, IF WE WERE TO KEEP THAT AUGUST 6TH DATE ON THERE AND JUST HAVING NORMAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING THAT NIGHT. I LIKE THAT IDEA. I DID ALSO HAVE SEVERAL HOA MEMBERS THAT WOULD PREFER WE MOVE IT TO OCTOBER VERSUS AUGUST BECAUSE OF THE HEAT. SO I LIKE THAT IDEA. SO IS THE, SO IS THE ASK I, I'VE HEARD TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS MAKE MENTION OF THE CONCERN AND I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN WITH THE HEAT IN AUGUST MM-HMM. TO CANCEL THE AUGUST EVENT. YES. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE COUNCIL WILL BE IN FAVOR OF AND THEN WE CAN DR. MARKS, I, I AGREE WITH THAT. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT'S WHY WE, UH, CANCELED HOURS AND HAD IT IN OCTOBER BECAUSE OF THE HEAT. UH, WE HAD TO SOMEWHAT CONSIDER, UH, WELL EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT IS EXTREMELY, UH, HOT DURING THAT PARTICULAR MONTH. AND OF COURSE OUR SENIORS IS VERY, VERY HOT. SO IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO TRY TO GET THEM OUT IN AUGUST. SO IT WENT TO OCTOBER. [02:10:02] OKAY. UM, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT COUNCIL MEMBER BYD, I'M IN FAVOR OF IT. COUNSELING AUGUST? YES. MM-HMM. COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL IN COUNSELING THE, THE AUGUST 6TH, THE AUGUST NATIONAL NIGHT OUT EVENT. OKAY. BECAUSE OF THE HEAT. OKAY. HEAT CONCERNS? MM-HMM. , I THINK, UM, WE, WE WOULD NEED TO ADVERTISE THAT BECAUSE I THINK BECAUSE THAT ONE IS HOA FOCUSED, WE ACTUALLY DON'T DRIVE THAT THEY ACTUALLY DRIVE IT. IT WOULD BE MAKING THEM AWARE THAT WE MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE. SO I'M GONNA FAVOR THAT. AND IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN EVENT THAT'S UP TO THEM, BUT I WOULD THINK CITY SUPPORTED, UM, WOULD NOT BE, THAT'S, I THINK THAT'S MORE SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING, CITY SUPPORT YOU MEAN ALSO IN POLICE AS WELL? SO I, I WOULDN'T IS THAT WHAT YOU, IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? THAT'S, IS THAT WHAT I HEAR THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT BROUGHT UP THE CONCERN? YEAH. I'M SAYING MOST, THERE ARE A LOT OF CITIES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE NOT DOING THE AUGUST AT ALL. LIKE WE'RE ONE OF THE FEW THAT I KNOW THAT DO AUGUST AND THEY DO EVERYTHING IN OCTOBER. UM, AND THAT'S IF THE HOAS WANNA PARTICIPATE OR NOT. UM, IT'S, IT'S DRIVEN BY THAT. YEAH. BUT IT'S NOT IN AUGUST AT ALL. OKAY. SO THAT INCLUDES POLICE, YOU'RE SAYING? YES. OKAY. I GOT YOU. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, CAN I SAY THIS, UH, AS WE, I WAS, I WAS TAUGHT AND I COULD HAVE BEEN, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT NATIONAL NIGHT, NIGHT OUT AND TEXAS NIGHT OUT ARE REALLY GEARED TOWARDS LAW ENFORCEMENT, CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? IT IS. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY COUNCIL DRIVEN, IT'S LAW ENFORCEMENT. SO YEAH, I THINK AS LONG AS WE EDUCATE, I THINK SOMEONE SAID, AS LONG AS WE EDUCATE THE HOAS BECAUSE, UM, ALL OF MY HOAS NORMALLY HAVE SOMETHING IN AUGUST AND NOT IN OCTOBER AS LONG AS WE EDUCATE THEM. THANK YOU COUNCILMAN PARKER. AND I'M IN AGREEMENT, BUT I DO WANT TO, UH, JUST MAKE MENTION THAT AS FAR AS THE HOAS ARE CONCERNED, I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM WHO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THERE WAS THAT EDUCATION AS YOU PUT BEFORE, UH, MAKING CERTAIN THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE POLICE WILL NOT BE DESIGNATE, UH, UH, DEDICATED TO YOUR HOA, LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN, NOT THAT THERE, NOT THE CITY'S PUTTING ON THEIR EVENT THE HOA IS PUTTING ON THEIR OWN EVENT, BUT IF THEY WANT A COUNCIL MEMBER IN CITY THERE THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS THE EDUCATION PIECE. 'CAUSE THE OTHER PART IS ALREADY, THEY ALREADY UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS HOA DRIVEN, UM, FOR TEXAS. I MEAN, UH, NATIONAL NIGHT OUT IN, IN AUGUST, AND IF THEY CHOOSE TO MOVE IT TO OCTOBER, THAT'S TOTALLY THEIR CALL. UM, BUT I ALSO WANNA SAY FOR THE BENEFIT OF A NEWBIE TO THIS DAAS, UH, I LOOKED AT THIS AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND, I LOOKED, I LOOKED EVERYWHERE. I WAS LIKE, I WAS LOOKING FOR THE CALENDAR TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SAY HERE. AND I THINK, UH, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF NAIVETE ON MY PART THAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE SEEING THE DATES TO CONSIDER. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO LOOK TO FIND IT AS TO, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS ON HERE THESE DATES CONSIDERING SUMMER SCHEDULES AND THEN EVERYBODY ALREADY, SO EVERYBODY EXCEPT ME, . OKAY. I THINK, I THINK TO SIMPLIFY IT, MOST OF THE DATES, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SUMMER SCHEDULES ARE REVOLVING AROUND HOLIDAYS AND OR THING, OR, OR DATES THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NECESSARILY CONTROL, LIKE WE TALKING ABOUT TML, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. MOST OF THESE DATES THAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE ARE OBVIOUSLY AROUND HOLIDAYS. UM, THE ONLY OTHER ONES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF A HOLIDAY WOULD BE THE SUMMER SCHEDULES. AND SO SUMMER SCHEDULE WAS INTRODUCED REALLY TO HELP PROVIDE SOME WORK LIFE BALANCE. YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE GO AND WE MEET EVERY MONTH AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AND WE DO A LOT AND STAFF DOES A LOT TO HELP PREPARE. SO NOT BEING ABLE TO HAVE ANY TIME OFF TECHNICALLY DURING THE SUMMER BETWEEN PREPARATION AND MEETING DATES, UM, WE WANTED TO ENCOURAGE THAT. UM, AND SO JUST TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME TIME OFF, UM, IN THE SUMMER TO, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF YOU WANNA TAKE A TRIP WITH YOUR FAMILY OR DO THAT, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE WORRIED ABOUT TRYING TO CHOOSE BETWEEN THAT AND A COUNCIL MEETING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO THAT WAS SOME OF THE RATIONALE, UM, TO BE INTRODUCED. AND THEN, LIKE I MENTIONED, THERE WAS SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AUGUST DATE BEING INCLUDED, WHICH IF WE, IF WE DID, YOU KNOW, TAKE AWAY A DATE, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST AUGUST WILL PROBABLY BE THE ONE. UM, BUT IT WAS INCLUDED BECAUSE YOU HAVE LOTS OF STAFF THAT HAVE KIDS. UM, WE HAD COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT HAVE KIDS, AND WHO'S TO SAY WE WON'T HAVE COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE FUTURE THAT HAVE SMALL CHILDREN THAT ARE IN SCHOOL. SO GETTING THEM READY FOR THE BACK TO SCHOOL, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UM, WAS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE AUGUST, UH, THE AUGUST MEETING TIME. SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT IT, WHAT IT IS. OKAY. AND SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, OF COURSE ON MONDAY, MLK, I WOULD WOULD EXPECT THAT THAT WOULD BE OUT BECAUSE IT IS A HOLIDAY. BUT THE OTHER TWO, WHEN WE'RE TALKING IN DECEMBER 16TH AND 17TH, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? IS IT PERTAINS TO, YOU KNOW, WE JUST CHANGED THE WAY THE CALENDAR IS FOR MEETINGS? DOES THAT MEAN THAT DECEMBER WOULD HAVE ONE MEETING AND THAT WOULD BE AN ACTUAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING, NOT A WORK SESSION. IT WOULD BE A COUNCIL MEETING. OKAY. SO ANY PROCLAMATIONS OR ANY CELEBRATORY THINGS THAT WOULD HAPPEN [02:15:01] IN DECEMBER WILL NOT HAPPEN IN DECEMBER? UH, TYPICALLY WE HAVE HAD, UM, TYPICALLY WE HAVE HAD OUR, 'CAUSE TYPICALLY WITH OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS IN DECEMBER, OR EITHER WE DO THEM IN AUGUST 'CAUSE WE HAVE, WE DO OUR CHRISTMAS GREETINGS. UM, WE DO THOSE THINGS. AND SO I, I WANNA SAY I DON'T, I DON'T RECALL WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE MONTHS PAST, BUT I KNOW WE HAVE HAD, UM, DAYS OFF BECAUSE PEOPLE TRAVEL WITH THEIR FAMILIES FOR THE HOLIDAYS. OKAY. SO HAVING THE WEEK OFF BEFORE CHRISTMAS, I THINK WOULD BE APPROPRIATE IN MY OPINION. OKAY. AND THEN AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, SINCE THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE MONTH OF DECEMBER, THERE WOULD BE NO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS IN THE MONTH OF DECEMBER? WELL, THERE COULD BE NO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS IN ANY, ANY MEETING, JUST DEPENDING ON, AS EXECUTIVE SESSIONS ARE TYPICALLY AS NEEDED. SO IT, IT WOULDN'T, WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF ONE IS NOT NEEDED, BUT THERE WOULD NOT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. BUT AS, AS I STATED EARLIER, IF WE NEED A SPECIAL MEETING, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AT ANY TIME, NO MATTER WHAT MEETINGS ARE ALREADY PRE-SCHEDULED. IF WE NEED TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING FOR SOMETHING OR HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE'RE AT LIBERTY TO DO THAT AT ANY TIME. AS LONG AS THE POSTING GOES IN, TIME GOES IN TURN WITH HOW WE NEED TO HAVE IT, UM, SCHEDULED WITH THE SCHEDULING TIMES THAT IT HAS TO BE DONE. SO IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S URGENT THAT COMES UP IN ONE OF THE VACATION MONTHS OR IN THE HOLIDAY MONTH, AND WE, WE NEED TO MEET COUNCIL HAS THE ABILITY TO, TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING. OKAY. AND SO WITH THAT LAST PIECE, UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE ONLY THING THAT WE'LL BE DOING IT WITH AUGUST IS WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT BACK. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA CONSIDER THAT AS ONE OF THE DAYS IF COUNSEL, THAT'S THE WISH OF COUNSEL. SO IF COUNSEL SAYS THEY DON'T WANNA, I, I SAID I, MY STATEMENT WAS, IF COUNSEL WANTS TO CUT, SHAVE SOMETHING OFF OF THE SUMMER SCHEDULE FOR THE SAKE OF FEELING LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT WANTING TO GET TOO BEHIND ON PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHAT HAVE YOU, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF AUGUST. HOWEVER, THAT IS A COUNCIL DECISION. IF COUNCIL WANTS TO, TO TAKE AUGUST OFF, FINE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I THAT'S THE COUNCIL DECISION. THAT WASN'T WHAT I WAS SAYING. I WAS SAYING I WOULD BE OKAY WITH AUGUST IF COUNSEL IS, IS WANTING TO CHANGE SOMETHING TO THE SUMMER SCHEDULE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO, THAT'S UP TO EVERYBODY SITTING AROUND THE DAYS. OKAY. WELL, I'M FLEXIBLE. I BELIEVE I'M OKAY WITH, UH, CONSIDERING THEM, BUT I ALSO AM OKAY WITH YOU LEAVING THEM WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, MLK DAY. OKAY. IS THIS THE LAST SLIDE, DR. WILLIAMS? UM, NO. WELL, IT'S JUST THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AFTER THAT, BUT WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT, SIR. OKAY. SO WE NEED TO GET CONSENSUS. UM, MAYOR PROTI, WHAT'S YOUR CONSENSUS WITH THE SCHEDULE THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU HERE? UM, I'M GOOD WITH THE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE OCTOBER DATE. IF WE COULD ADD THAT WITH THE OCTOBER DATE REGARDING THE TML, THE COUNCIL MEETING. THE COUNCIL MEETING. I'M SORRY, FOR THE AROUND TML OR AROUND NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. OKAY. MAYBE WE CAN JUST FOR, FOR, FOR SIMPLICITY SAKE, MAYBE LIKE ALTERNATIVE A WOULD BE IF WE WERE TO ADD AUGUST 6TH BACK ONTO THE SCHEDULE AND THEN, UH, AND THEN USE THE OCTOBER, HAVE A CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON OCTOBER 1ST, BUT USE IT BE SHORT SO THAT WE CAN PARTICIPATE IN TEXAS NIGHT OUT. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE UP THE ALTERNATIVE AIDS, EVERYTHING ELSE HERE EXCEPT FOR AUGUST 6TH BEING DIFFERENT. AND THEN A SPECIAL PURPOSE GIVEN TO THE OCTOBER MEETING, THE FIRST OCTOBER MEETING. SO TO SIMPLIFY CONSENSUS, ALTERNATIVE A IS, UH, YES, ONE OPTION. THEN THE OTHER OPTION IS AS IS COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM. UH OH, YOU DID THAT. UM, WAIT, HE SAID IT SO FAST. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? CITY MANAGER? RIGHT. JUST TELL ME ALTERNATE A WITH THAT ONE OUT T YEAH, ALTERNATE A WAS, UM, ADD OC AUGUST 6TH BACK ONTO THE SCHEDULE AND DO NOT DO, DO NOT CONDUCT NATIONAL NIGHT OUT THAT NIGHT, BUT PUT NATIONAL NIGHT, TEXAS NIGHT OUT ON OCTOBER 1ST AND HAVE IT BE A SHORTENED MEETING. ALTERNATIVE A MARKS GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY, I I HAVE A QUESTION. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO IF WE ARE DOING TEXAS NIGHT OUT IN OCTOBER, AND IF THE HOAS MOVE THEIR NATIONAL NIGHTS OUT TO OCTOBER, THEY WOULDN'T, IF THEY SCHEDULE ON THE SAME NIGHT, THEY JUST WOULDN'T HAVE AN OPTION TO, TO HAVE CITY PERSONNEL? IS THAT THAT IS CORRECT, YEAH. WE WOULD JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT CITY PERSONNEL CITY, UH, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE AT THE AUGUST DATE. WE WOULD BE AVAILABLE AT THE OCTOBER DATE. AND SHOULD THEY HAVE 'EM AND SHOULD THEY HAVE AN EVENT, WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE POLICE POLICE TO PROVIDE THEIR STATISTICS FOR THEM IF THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE. BECAUSE TYPICALLY PD WILL PROVIDE THE STATS FOR THOSE HOAS. UM, SO I, I THINK IT WOULD BE FINE FOR THEM TO STILL PROVIDE THE INFORMATION. BUT AS FAR AS THE PARTICIPATION, UM, I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE [02:20:01] STATING. I DON'T KNOW. I KIND OF LIKE POLICE AND FIRE THERE, BUT ANYWAY, UM, A I'LL DO A, I'LL GO WITH THE CONSENSUS. THAT'S FINE WITH ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DR. MARKS, UH, I'LL GO WITH CONSENSUS OPTION, A COUNCIL MEMBER BY CONCUR. COUNCIL MEMBER RAPHAEL. UM, NO, HOWEVER, UH, I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT POLICE NOT BEING AVAILABLE IF COMMUNITY MEMBERS DECIDE THEY WANT TO DO A MEETING BECAUSE IT'S A COMMUNITY. IT'S, IT'S A POLICE DRIVEN PROGRAM. NATIONAL NIGHTOWL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. UM, YES, I AGREE IN THAT, BUT I DO ALSO BELIEVE THAT IF THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT ON TUESDAY IS GOING TO BE NOT FOCUSED ON THAT, THE ONE IN OCTOBER SHOULD NOT BE LIMITED. AND I FEEL LIKE IF I SAY YES, WE'RE LIMITING THE ABILITY FOR THE POLICE TO BE OUT AMONGST THE PEOPLE, UM, AND THE FIRE AND, YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT. IF THAT'S OPTION A WITH A, WITH A CAVEAT , I'M NOT SURE, BUT POINT OF INFORMATION. MM-HMM. , UM, CITY MANAGER WRIGHT. UH, JUST FOR CLARITY, WHAT IS THE ACTION THAT ANY HOA SHOULD TAKE IF THEY WANT THE POLICE OUT? 'CAUSE I THINK THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT A POLICE DON'T COME OUT TO HOA MEETINGS AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF 'EM. AND IF, WHETHER THEY'RE CALLING IT A PARTY OR THEY'RE CALLING IT NATIONAL NIGHT OUT OR WHATEVER IT IS, IS A HOA FORMATION. RIGHT. SO I JUST FOR MY INFORMATION, DO THE CITY PERMIT THE POLICE TO COME OUT FOR THOSE EVENTS? YEAH, I, I, I WOULD, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM A STAFFING PERSPECTIVE, MOST LIKELY IF, IF THERE ARE EVENTS GOING ON ON AUGUST SOMETHING AND THEY REQUEST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO BE THERE, MY GUESS IS I'M LOOKING AT CHIEF RIGHT NOW, BUT MY GUESS IS THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE ON, ON THAT PART OF IT, IT WOULD BE THE CITY COUNCIL ITSELF. OKAY. THAT WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE THAT NIGHT. AND THEN OTHER SUPPORTIVE STAFF, LIKE CITY MANAGER'S, OFFICE PEOPLE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. OKAY. WE, WE WOULD NOT BE AVAILABLE THAT NIGHT, BUT I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WHEN WHEN THEY SUBMIT A SPECIAL EVENT PER PERMIT AND IT GOES TO THAT PROCESS, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL LOOK AT IT, FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL LOOK AT IT. IF THEY'RE AVAILABLE THAT NIGHT AND ABLE TO GO, UM, THEY WILL MOST LIKELY TRY AND MAKE A WAY TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. OKAY. I JUST WANT THAT CLARIFIED. 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT PERCEPTION THAT WE DON'T, THAT POLICE DON'T COME NOW TO HOAS. 'CAUSE WE HAVE CSOS TOO THAT ARE NOT ON THE BEAT SO THAT THEY CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. C CITY MANAGER. UM, IT WAS ALSO NOTED THAT, UM, WITH AUGUST, THE, THE CITY COUNCIL RETREAT IS AT THE TOP OF AUGUST. UM, AND THAT'S A TWO DAY, TWO AND A HALF DAY, SOMETIMES DAY AND A HALF EVENT. UM, AND SO I THINK THAT WAS ALSO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE COME OFF OF A TWO, ESSENTIALLY A TWO DAY RETREAT, UM, AT THE BEGINNING OF AUGUST. SO I WANNA SAY THAT WAS ALSO SOME OF THE, UH, RATIONALE WITH REMOVING THE AUGUST MEETING. 'CAUSE WE WOULD HAVE ALREADY HAD SUMMER RETREAT. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND COUNSEL AS WE'RE ADDING MEETINGS BACK IN. ALRIGHT. MADAM MAYOR, CAN I RECANT? ? OKAY. UH, IT'S NOT REALLY A RECANT. UM, THE, WE, WE, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION AROUND AUGUST THE SIXTH AROUND THE NATIONAL NIGHT OUT OR TEXAS NIGHT OUT, ONE OF THOSE NIGHT OUT AND NOT BEHIND. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST A CONTINU, THE CONTINUATION OF THE SUMMER SCHEDULE. WE HAD IT IN REGARDS TO NATIONAL NIGHT, NIGHT OUT. UM, SO YEAH, I'M, I'M OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH IT EITHER WAY, BUT I, I KNOW THAT I, THE INK WELL IS NORMALLY IN MARTHA'S, UH, MARTHA'S VINEYARD THE FIRST WEEK OF AUGUST. SO . YEAH. UM, I, YOU KNOW, COUNSEL, UH, DO, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO RECONSIDER ADDING AUGUST BACK IN? BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WITH THAT SAID, WE WOULD'VE ALREADY HAD SUMMER RETREAT, WHICH IS A TWO DAY RETREAT FOR FULL DAYS. UM, AND SO IS THERE ANY BEFORE WE KIND OF CALL FOR THIS SO WE CAN MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM? 'CAUSE WE KEEP IN MIND WE STILL HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WAS ASKED TO BE MOVED TO TONIGHT. OKAY. UM, THE CONSENSUS IS FOR OPTION A. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I JUST HAVE ONE LAST THING. AS FAR AS THE, UM, ATTENDANCE GOES. WE JUST, I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT WE WERE OKAY WITH HAVING THE WORK SESSION MEETING ON THAT MONDAY COUNT TOWARDS ATTENDANCE BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT'S RIGHT NOW. IS THAT HOW IT WAS WORDED IN THE CHARTER? UH, IS THAT BEING STANDARD? IT'S PROCEDURES, REMEMBER THE CHARTER STATES, WHATEVER YOU ADOPTED YOUR SCHEDULE YEAH. BECOMES THE WAY YOU MEASURE THAT. AND SO WE WOULD BRING YOUR SCHEDULE TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THE WORK SESSIONS TO BE CONSIDERED AS COUNTING TOWARDS THE, THE INTENT REQUIREMENT. SO, BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT IF WE MAKE THE ONE MEETING PER MONTH, THAT'S STILL, THAT STILL WHAT QUALIFIES AS HAVING MET THE ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENT. [02:25:01] CORRECT. UM, ANY, ANY CANCELED MEETING, UH, WOULD AUTOMATICALLY COUNT. RIGHT. SO, SO THIS IS THE WAY THE RULES ARE RIGHT NOW IS THAT IF, IF, IF IT'S A CANCELED MEETING, IT COUNTS TO TOWARDS BEING ATTENDED. UM, IF IT IS. UH, BUT, BUT IN THESE CASES RIGHT NOW, WE ACTUALLY COUNT FIVE MEETINGS A MONTH BECAUSE WE COUNT YOUR WORK SESSIONS AND YOUR REGULAR AGENDAS OR REGULAR MEETING IS TWO SEPARATE MEETINGS ON THE SAME NIGHT. SO INSTEAD OF, OF YOUR STARTING NUMBER BEING FIVE EACH MONTH, IT'S NOW THREE 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A, A REGULAR MEETING, A WORK SESSION, AND A REGULAR MEETING. SO YOU, YOU WOULD NEED TO ATTEND AT LEAST TWO OF THOSE MEETINGS IN ANY MONTH TO HAVE A COUNT TOWARD YOUR ATTENDANCE. OKAY. COUNSEL, IS THAT, UH, IS THAT EVERYBODY'S UNDERSTANDING THAT THE WORK SESSION MEETING WILL COUNT TOWARDS ATTENDANCE BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN MEETINGS? RIGHT? SO TECHNICALLY WE'RE STARTING, LIKE YOU SAID AT THREE, CORRECT? YEAH. IF YOU DID NOT INCLUDE THAT MEETING ON YOUR LIST OF SCHEDULED MEETINGS, YOU WOULD HAVE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH OR ONE MEETING A MONTH. RIGHT. UM, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU CANCELED THE MEETING. SO YOU WOULD NEED TO ATTEND ONLY ONE OF TWO MEETINGS IN ORDER TO GET ATTENDANCE, UH, REQUIREMENTS IF, AGAIN, UNDER THESE NEW RULES YOU'D NEED IF WE DO IT THE SAME WAY AS WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT. RIGHT. TWO MEETINGS ATTENDED OUT OF THREE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SORRY, COUNSEL. YES. IT'S, ARE WE UNDER THE, ARE WE ALL UNDER THE SAME IMPRESSION THAT THAT WOULD NOW COUNT AS COUNT AS A MEETINGS FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS? YES. OKAY. I HEAR, I HEAR YESES. UM, COUNSEL, JUST TO, JUST TO RUN IT BACK BEFORE WE MOVE ON FROM THIS ITEM TO OUR, AND THEN YOU SAID THERE'S A IMPLEMENTATION SLIDE? YES. DR. WILLIAMS. MM-HMM. THAT WE ARE ADDING AUGUST BACK IN. IS THAT EVERY, IS EVERYBODY'S FINE WITH THAT? I DON'T, THAT'S YES. NO. YES. OKAY. WELL WE ARE ADDING AUGUST IN, BUT TAKING OCTOBER OUT, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? IS THAT NO OCTOBER? NO. YOU'RE, YOU'RE HAVING AUGUST IN AND OCTOBER IN, BUT OCTOBER BECOMES A SHORTENED MEETING AND THEN PARTICIPATING IN TEXAS NIGHT OUT THAT WEEK. AND THAT'S, AND WE MAY HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT OCTOBER AGAIN FROM YEAR TO YEAR BECAUSE TML DATES FLEX. YEAH. IT JUST SO HAPPENED NEXT YEAR TML IS NOT CONFLICTING, BUT THAT'S RARE. SO. OKAY. DR. WILLIAMS, NEXT SLIDE. ALRIGHT, SO IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. I'LL GO THROUGH THESE VERY BRIEFLY. UM, PRETTY MUCH THE MAIN THING WOULD BE THAT THE, UM, FINAL APPROVAL CHANGES, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TOWARDS, UH, BRING BACK IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING WITH THE, UM, CHANGES IN THE RULES AND PROCEDURE AND THE, UM, COUNCIL SCHEDULE. UH, AND THEN, UM, AND THEN WE WILL ALSO ENSURE THAT THE DOCUMENTS, WEBSITES, AND SOCIAL MEDIA WILL BE UPDATED. AND THEN AS FAR AS TOWN HALL MEETINGS, SORRY. OKAY. SO, UM, THESE ARE JUST TOPICS, UH, SUGGESTED TOPICS FOR TOWN HALL, UH, MEETINGS. BUT WE WOULD TRY AND DO THOSE, UM, IN, IN DECEMBER. HERE WE GO IN NOVEMBER, UH, 30TH AND DECEMBER 7TH. BUT THESE CAN CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU WANT ME TO CHANGE 'EM, COUNSEL, I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION. UM, AND THIS IS, AGAIN, NO SHADE TO THE CITY. UH, YOU ALL'S TOWN HALLS, THEY'RE NICE, BUT THEY'RE NOT WELL ATTENDED. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BE JUST BECAUSE IT'S THE CITY HOSTING IT. MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT STAFF WORKS WITH COUNCIL TO HOST THEIR INDIVIDUAL DISTRICT MEETINGS, WHETHER THAT IS VIRTUAL OR IN PERSON, BUT JUST TO BRING IT CLOSER TO HOME AND DO WHAT WE DO BEST. I MEAN, DR. MARCUS CAN GET A HUNDRED PLUS ROOM PEOPLE IN A CHURCH AA JUST LIKE THAT. AMEN. I MEAN, WE SHOULD CAPITALIZE ON THAT IN ORDER TO SPREAD THE MESSAGE JUST SO THAT IT'S JUST NOT A CHECKBOX, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY GETTING PEOPLE THERE. THANK YOU FOR THE SUGGESTION. AND I DO HAVE IDEAS FOR THAT TOO. OKAY, , JUST A QUICK, UH, POINT OF SUGGESTION ON THE, UH, WEBSITE. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY THAT THE SCHEDULE, THE COUNCIL SCHEDULE, ONCE IT'S ADOPTED AND, UH, APPROVED THAT WE ACTUALLY POST THAT AS NOT BURIED UNDER A LOT OF THINGS JUST OUTRIGHT JUST WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS BECAUSE I MEAN, I JUST HAVE A HARD TIME FINDING IT AND JUST THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR OUR PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING OUT HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU DR. WILS. DID THAT CONCLUDE YOUR PRESENTATION? THAT DOES. THANK [4. Presentation and discussion of utilizing the Best Value procurement method to further the City Council's goal for Diversity Vendor inclusion in the procurement process] YOU. UH, AT THIS TIME, UM, CITY SECRETARY THOMAS WILL HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE. NEXT WE'LL HAVE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION OF UTILIZING THE BEST VALUE PROCUREMENT METHOD TO FURTHER THE CITY COUNCIL'S GOAL FOR DIVERSITY VENDOR INCLUSION AND THE PROCUREMENT PROCUREMENT PROCESS. MAKING THE PRESENTATION IS CHRISTOPHE BAUER, DEPUTY CITY MANAGER. I DON'T KNOW WHO I MADE MAD, HE PUT ME AT THE BOTTOM OF THESE AGENDAS. NO, BUT I'M GONNA TRY AND I'M GONNA [02:30:01] TRY AND BE QUICK FOR YOU GUYS. THIS IS AN UPDATE. UH, WE HAD A CONVERSATION BACK ON MARCH 30TH OF THIS YEAR, UH, REALLY TALKING ABOUT EFFORTS WE'VE DONE TO TRY AND ADDRESS THE COUNCIL'S INTEREST IN DIVERSITY VENDORS AND THE PARTICIPATION IN OUR VENDING PROCESS. ALSO, I WANTED TO INTRODUCE, UH, BLAINE, UH, WRITINGS. HE'S OUR YES SIR. HELLO EVERYBODY. HE'S OUR NEW, UH, PURCHASING, UH, MANAGER NATASHA, UH, UH, LEFT THE ORGANIZATION. SO IT TOOK US A WHILE TO GET THAT BACK IN PLACE. IT'S WHY IT'S TAKEN US A LITTLE LONGEST TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THIS ISSUE. HOW, HOW YOU BEEN TWO MONTHS NOW? TWO MONTHS. CAN YOU GIVE US THE NAME AGAIN PLEASE? BLAINE WRITINGS. BLAINE WRIGHT. S SORRY. RIDI. YOU'RE GOOD. R-I-D-I-H-E-S WRITINGS. R THANK YOU. OKAY, SO COUNCIL PUT IN PLACE A DIVERSE DISEASE VENDOR, UH, POLICY, UH, SOME TIME AGO AND SET A TARGET OF 20%. AND WHAT WE FOUND, UH, DURING SOME TRANSITIONS OF PREVIOUS STAFF IS THAT WHEN WE WERE REPORTING THIS INFORMATION, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO VALIDATE THE ACCURACY OF THE INFORMATION WE HAD BEEN PROVIDING. SO, UH, WE HAD BEEN REPORTING THAT WE'VE BEEN MEETING THAT NUMBER PRETTY CONSISTENTLY. AND WHEN WE TOOK A REAL CLOSE LOOK AT IT AND REALLY, UH, LOOKED AT VALIDATING THAT NUMBER, THE REAL NUMBER IS SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER. AND AS WE DISCUSSED BACK IN MARCH, ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ISSUES WITH THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PEOPLE WHO, UH, GO OUT AND GET THEIR CERTIFICATIONS. SO WE DO DO A LOT OF, WE BELIEVE WE DO A LOT OF PROCUREMENT WITH, UH, DIVERSITY INDIVIDUALS AND VENDORS, BUT THEY DON'T DO THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH AND ACTUALLY BECOMING OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED. BUT AS YOU GO THROUGH AND WE LOOK AT HOW WE PROCURE THINGS, UH, THERE ARE THREE MAIN METHODS FOR LARGER, UH, PURCHASES, REQUESTS FOR PROPOSALS, WHICH IS LIMITED TO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THAT'S WHERE WE GO OUT AND WE CAN ASK, UH, FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCE, BUT ALSO PRICE. THERE'S REQUEST FOR QUALIFICATIONS WHERE WE CAN ONLY ASK ABOUT THE QUALIFICATIONS AND EXPERIENCE OF THE FIRMS. WE CANNOT ASK ABOUT PRICE. UH, AND THEN THERE'S REQUESTS FOR BIDS, WHICH IS A FORM OF BID PROCESS, WHICH YOU'RE PROBABLY MOST USED TO, WHERE YOU BASICALLY SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT THE DOLLARS. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE LOWEST PRICE? AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT DOS TIME, THERE'S SOME POTENTIAL WE'VE THOUGHT AND WE DID SOME RESEARCH ON WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS REQUEST FOR BID PROCESS, THOUGH WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE OTHER FACTORS AS WELL. AND THAT'S THE BEST VALUE IDEA. AT THE TIME WE MADE THIS PRESENTATION, UH, WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, COUNCIL ACTION, UH, AN ORDINANCE TO BE ADOPTED IN ORDER TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE REQUEST FOR BID BEING DONE, ACTUALLY DONE BY BEST VALUE RATHER THAN LOWEST PRICE. UH, FOUND THAT NOT TO BE THE CASE, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT, UH, BEST VALUE PARTICIPATION, IT REALLY LOOKS AT, AGAIN, TRYING TO CONSIDER THINGS OTHER THAN PRICE THAT ACTUALLY HAVE VALUE TO THE COMMUNITY. ONE OF THE EXAMPLES MIGHT BE A LIFECYCLE COST. IF YOU'RE BUYING A VEHICLE, FOR EXAMPLE, ESPECIALLY A LARGE VEHICLE LIKE A BUS, WE DON'T DO BUY BUSES. IF YOU'RE BUYING A BUS, AND NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE THAT FIRST CAPITAL COST, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THE MAINTENANCE COSTS. AS WE LOOK AT ELECTRIC VEHICLES, ONE OF THE BIG DIFFERENCES BETWEEN A GAS VEHICLE AND ELECTRIC VEHICLE IS THE COST FOR FUEL AND THE COST FOR MAINTENANCE OVER TIME. WELL, YOU DON'T GET THAT CONSIDERATION IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE INITIAL CAPITAL COST. SO BEST VALUE IS A WAY TO TAKE, TAKE A LOOK AT OTHER FACTORS, LIFECYCLE COSTING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT FINAL PURCHASE. THAT DECISION ABOUT WHAT IS THE BEST VALUE FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO AGAIN, WE MADE THAT PRESENTATION BACK IN MARCH. UH, YOU DIRECTED US TO GO OUT AND SORT OF LOOK AT AN ORDINANCE AND BRING THAT ORDINANCE BACK TO YOU. WHAT WE FOUND OUT IS THAT NOT, THAT'S NOT NECESSARY. IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO USE BEST VALUE WHEN WE DO THE BID SITUATIONS. HOWEVER, WHAT WE'VE ALSO FOUND, AND I'LL GO OVER THIS, IS THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY IS FAIRLY NARROW. UH, WHAT BEST VALUE IN THE BID SITUATION ALLOWS US TO DO IS NOT ONLY INCLUDE PRICE, BUT ALSO THESE OTHER FACTORS. REPUTATION, QUALITY OF THE BIDS, EXTEND THE GOODS AND SERVICE MEETS CITY'S NEEDS, UH, RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY. SO WE CAN DO THOSE OTHER THINGS TO LOOK AT, UH, MAKING SURE WE'RE GETTING A VENDOR THAT WE CAN COUNT ON AND IT'S GONNA PROVIDE GOOD QUALITY TO THE CITY. SO THAT IS AN OPPORTUNITY. HOWEVER, IT'S LIMITED TO CITY WORKS PROJECTS BETWEEN 50 AND $1.5 MILLION. SO I'VE LISTED THE PROJECTS THERE FOR YOU AND REALLY FOCUS ON ROAD STREET'S, INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. BASICALLY, UH, THOSE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, IF WE HAVE ONE THAT'S SMALL ENOUGH BELOW 1.5 MILLION, UH, THEN WE CAN USE THE BEST VALUE PROCESS, WHICH ALLOWS US TO CONSIDER THINGS OTHER THAN PRICE. PRICE HAS TO BE CONSIDERED UP TO 50%. SO WE CAN'T SORT OF JUST USE EVERYTHING ELSE. PRICE HAS TO BE SORT OF THE MAJORITY, BUT WE CAN CONSIDER OTHER FACTORS AS WELL. AGAIN, THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST AND LESS THAN 1.5 MILLION. AND I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT, AND THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING [02:35:01] THAT, THAT BLAINE POINTED OUT TO ME, WAS THAT WHEN YOU DO AN RFP AND RFQ, YOU BASICALLY ARE DOING BEST VALUE PURCHASING. 'CAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE CRITERIA THAT WE IDENTIFY BECAUSE THIS SOLICITATION THAT WE'RE GONNA USE TO SELECT, UH, TO MAKE THAT SELECTION ON WHICH VENDOR WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE. SO WHEN WE DO AN RFP, WE DON'T HAVE TO SELECT THE LOWEST PRICE. WE CAN SELECT THE VENDOR THAT HAS THE BEST PROPOSAL. UH, SAME THING WITH RFQ. IN FACT, RQ WE CAN'T EVEN CONSIDER PRICE. WE HAVE TO ONLY CONSIDER THEIR QUALIFICATIONS. SO HERE'S OUR PURCHASING POLICY, AND THIS IS OUR PURCHASING POLICY. IT'S ALREADY BEEN ADOPTED, IT'S ALREADY BEEN IN PLACE, AND IT ALREADY ALLOWS US TO LOOK AT NOT ONLY THE LOWEST RESPONSIVE, RESPONSIBLE BIDDER, BUT ALSO BEST VALUE. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE THROUGH OUR RESEARCH, WE'VE FOUND OUT THAT WE HAVE THIS LIMITED OPPORTUNITY. WE ALSO HAVE THE AUTHORIZATION UNDER OUR CURRENT POLICIES TO ALREADY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO THIS IS MORE OF AN UPDATE TO COUNCIL TO SAY YOU WANT US TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHETHER WE HAD THIS FLEXIBILITY AND HOW WE COULD USE IT. WE DO HAVE IT, IT'S LIMITED AND WE WILL USE IT. SO BEST VALUE CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED AND USED FOR RFPS AND RQS AND BEST VALUE IS AUTHORIZED AND WILL BE USED IN THAT AREA OF BETWEEN CITY WORKS PROJECTS LESS THAN $1.5 MILLION. I KNOW THAT'S QUICK, BUT, UH, ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, UH, MR. BAUER. UM, I HAVE, UH, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT JUST KIND OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS AROUND HOW THIS CAN HELP US TO INCREASE THAT NUMBER THAT TARGET GOLD. I KNOW THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CIVIL WORKS PROJECTS, SO THAT'S MEANING LIKE OUR MAJOR CAPITAL AND IMPROVEMENT LIKE OUR STREET PROJECTS, WHICH THE MAJORITY OF THEM, WELL, I CAN'T SAY THAT I HAVEN'T RESEARCHED THE NUMBER, THE MAJORITY OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE MORE THAN 1.5 OR MORE THAN 1.5. SO HERE'S, HERE'S MY THOUGHT, AND YOU CAN TELL ME IF I'M THINKING CORRECTLY, BUT WHAT, WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE FOR US? SAY, SAY IF WE HAD A PROJECT THAT'S $20 MILLION, RIGHT? INSTEAD OF ONE, YOU KNOW, PICKING, SELECTING ONE VENDOR FOR THE 20 MILLION, UNBUNDLING IT TO MAKE IT MEET THESE $1.5 MILLION. IF, IF IT CAN, OBVIOUSLY THAT WON'T WORK FOR EVERY PART OF, OF A PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT, BUT I'M THINKING THAT YOU HAVE, YOU DO HAVE VENDORS MORE SO THAN NOT THAT WOULD HELP US MEET THAT TARGET GOAL THAT COULD HANDLE SOME OF THESE 1.5 MILLION OR LESS, YOU KNOW? UM, AND, BUT LOOKING AT HOW DO WE ACTUALLY MAKE THAT HAPPEN IN TERMS OF MAKING THE 1.5 MILLION EVEN ATTAINABLE BECAUSE MOST OF THE PROJECTS ARE MORE THAN THAT. I HOPE THAT QUESTION, I HOPE THAT MADE SENSE. I FEEL LIKE I SAID A COMMENT, BUT TRYING TO ASK THE QUESTION. NO, ACTUALLY I THINK I UNDERSTOOD YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. UH, PERFECTLY. I THINK THE REAL CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BREAKING A PROJECT UP INTO SMALLER PIECES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OPERATING AS YOUR OWN GENERAL CONTRACTOR. AND THAT'S REALLY A, A CAPACITY AND KNOWLEDGE ISSUE WHERE OUR STAFF IS FAIRLY LIMITED AND IT WOULD BRING A LOT OF, HONESTLY, WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S CAN GO OUT AND SORT OF BREAK A BIT OUT AND THEN BID THE LITTLE PIECES AND MANAGE EACH ONE OF THOSE CONTRACTS. THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. UM, THERE ARE PIECES THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO SIDEWALKS, SMALL DRAINAGE PROJECTS WHERE WE CAN LOOK FOR MINORITY VENDORS. I THINK THE OTHER CHALLENGE WE HAVE AGAIN, IS THAT WE HAVE MINORITY VENDORS THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH AND CAN WORK WITH, BUT JUST HAVING GONE THROUGH THAT CERTIFICATION PROCESS, UH, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS, HAVE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT TRYING TO GET 'EM CERTIFIED. WE HAVE A GRANT PROGRAM TO ASSIST 'EM WITH THE COST OF GETTING IT CERTIFIED. BUT THE CHALLENGES ARE, AND THIS IS THE CHALLENGES THEY BRING TO US, IS THAT SOME OF 'EM HAVE A PHILOSOPHICAL PROBLEM ABOUT THAT PROGRAM. UH, SOME OF THEM, SORRY, THE CERTIFICATION PROGRAM? CORRECT. OKAY. UH, SOME OF THEM DON'T HAVE THE SOPHISTICATION TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR SOME OF THOSE CERTIFICATIONS, OF COURSE. AND SOME OF THEM JUST DON'T SEE THE BENEFIT. AND I THINK THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES, UH, THAT WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS THROUGH, AGAIN, HAVING A GRANT PROGRAM, UH, WORKING WITH, UH, THIRD PARTY PARTNERS TO TRY AND EASE THAT PROCESS. UH, WE ARE DOING THOSE THINGS AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THOSE THINGS, BUT THAT'S PART OF OUR CHALLENGE. I, YEAH, I I GUESS I I, AND I HEAR YOU AND I'VE HEARD IT. I, I HEAR IT FROM VENDORS, FOLKS, YOU KNOW, ALIKE AND I GUESS THE BENEFIT OF GETTING CERTIFIED IS ACTUALLY BEING ABLE TO POSITION YOURSELF TO OBTAIN THE CONTRACT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHY THE BENEFIT ISN'T OBVIOUS THERE, BUT, UM, I KNOW WE HAVE OUR SBA PARTNERS THAT WE, UM, HAVE THE SAM WITH THE, THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING, UM, TO WORK. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WHEN WE FIRST SAT DOWN AT THE TABLE, WE DISCUSSED WITH THEM WAS ONE OF OUR MAJOR CHALLENGES. AND SO WE EVEN DISCUSSED SOME PROGRAMMING OR EVENT-WISE TO ASSIST, UM, TO ASSIST AND TAKE AWAY THE INTIMIDATION FACTOR OF A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS. BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S GOING TO NOT ONLY HINDER THEM FROM DOING BUSINESS WITH DESOTO, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND, YOU KNOW, AND BEYOND, RIGHT. IN TERMS OF GETTING [02:40:01] THE CERTIFICATIONS. AND SO, UM, I JUST PUT, I'M PUTTING THAT OUT THERE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE UNDER, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT, THAT THAT IS A CHALLENGE. HOWEVER, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED WITH THEM, AND THEY, UM, THEY DEFINITELY AGREED THAT IT'S NOT JUST LIMITED TO DESOTO. THEY HEAR THAT A LOT. AND SO WE LOOK, WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE SOLUTIONS AS TO HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY WALK ALONGSIDE THE CONTRACTORS TO TAKE AWAY THE UNKNOWNS, UM, TO HELP THEM TO BE ABLE TO OBTAIN THESE CERTIFICATIONS SO THEY CAN REAP THE BENEFITS OF HAVING THOSE CERTIFICATIONS. UM, SO YEAH, I, I, I HEAR YOU. I'M, I'M WITH YOU. AND, UM, DEFINITELY WORKING, UM, LOOKING IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE ARE EVEN PROPOSING HERE AND SOME THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROPOSED BY MY COLLEAGUES, UM, LOOKING AT ALL THE WAYS WE CAN REALLY HELP TO GET, UM, GET THE KNOWLEDGE AND, UM, GET THEM WALKING AWAY WITH THOSE CERTIFICATIONS. UH, I'M NOT SURE WHOSE LIGHT WAS ON FIRST. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER. RAPHAEL. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? UM, I GUESS I'M, I STRUGGLE A LITTLE BIT WITH SOME OF THE, UH, FEEDBACK THAT, THAT WAS RECEIVED. ONLY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HAVING WORKED FOR A PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AGENCY, DALLAS AREA, RAPID TRANSIT, THAT HAS A WHOLE DEPARTMENT WHERE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN WORK ON COMPLIANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE WERE, UH, W-M-W-N-B-E VENDORS, YOU KNOW, TO GO FROM EVERYTHING FROM PAPER CLIPS TO CONSULTING SERVICES, TO DESIGNING, YOU KNOW, UM, STATIONS AND TO, YOU KNOW, UM, DOING THE CIVIL ENGINEERING, THINGS LIKE THAT. AND SO THAT PART'S A I'M STRUGGLING JUST A LITTLE BIT WITH THAT, OUT WITH THAT, BUT I'M NOT IN THE ROLE. I'M NOT IN YOUR ROLE. OKAY. AND SO, UM, WELL ACTUALLY, I, I WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. MM-HMM. , WE ACTUALLY DO USE IT FOR ARCHITECTS, THE DESIGNERS, LIKE YOU SAID, UHHUH, WE ACTUALLY DO, UH, CONSIDER THAT STATUS AND HAVE MADE CHOICES SURE. BASED THERE ON, SO WE CERTAINLY DO THAT AS WELL. SURE, SURE. AND, AND, UM, ONE OF THE COMMENTS, I, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS WITH YOU THAT I RECEIVED FEEDBACK ON, ON A, FROM A VENDOR, IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY OFTEN SEE IS THAT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF, WELL, I KNOW WE HAVEN'T DONE A DEEP DIVE IN IT, BUT OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT WAS THE LOW BID SCENARIOS, UM, OFTENTIMES THOSE BIDS WILL COME BACK FOR THE ADDITIONAL, SO THEY TAKE UP MORE THAN JUST THAT CONTINGENCY. THEY'RE COMING BACK FOR MORE FUNDING BECAUSE OF WHATEVER THE ISSUE WAS, MADE A MISTAKE, WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KNOW. WE JUST KNOW WE'RE APPROVING ADDITIONAL DOLLARS TO A CONTRACT THAT ORIGINALLY STARTED HERE, BUT NOW IT'S HERE, WHICH EFFECTIVELY DOESN'T MAKE THEM THE LOW BIDDER, IT EFFECT EFFECTIVELY MAKES THEM A HIGHER BIDDER THAN WHO PROBABLY WAS THE BETTER VALUE AND THE LOWEST BIDDER INITIALLY. AND SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE, BUT I I DO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAD SOME LANGUAGE OR POLICY OR THOUGHT AROUND HOW NOT TO DO THAT, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE NOT USE THAT VENDOR AGAIN IF IT'S SOME TYPE OF MISTAKE OR THEY'RE, IT IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SCORING SYSTEM, UM, WHEN A DIFFERENT PROJECT AND THE SAME VENDORS ARE COMING BACK WHEN THEY'VE TRADITIONALLY BROUGHT THINGS BACK THAT WE'VE HAD TO APPROVE. I THINK THAT PART IS IMPORTANT. I HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT. I CANNOT THINK OF IT RIGHT NOW. CAN I ADDRESS THAT ONE BEFORE YOU WENT TO THE NEXT ONE? I'M PAUSE RIGHT NOW. YES, . THANK YOU . UM, TWO THINGS. ONE IS THAT EVEN WITH, UH, SOMETHING THAT'S OUTSIDE THIS 1.5 MILLION, WE HAVE THIS LOW RESPONSIVE BIDDER. SO THERE'S TWO OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO DRAW, ADDRESS THAT SORT OF CHANGE, ORDER UP PROBLEM, UH, WHICH I THINK IS, UH, WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING ABOUT. ONE IS PAST PERFORMANCE. CERTAINLY IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S GONE OUT THERE NOT COMPLETED THE PROJECT WELL AND NOT BEEN ABLE TO STAY ON CONTRACT PRICE, YOU KNOW, MADE ERRORS, ET CETERA, THEN WE CAN DISQUALIFY 'EM IF WE KEEP EVIDENCE OF THAT. SO CERTAINLY THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO, UH, DURING THE BIDDING PROCESS. IF WE FIND SOMEBODY THAT WE'VE HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WITH IN THE PAST, YOU HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT IT, UH, AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE A DOCUMENTATION. BUT IT IS, IS POSSIBLE. THE OTHER PIECE IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR ON OUR SPECIFICATIONS AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A CHALLENGE. YOU GOTTA BE CLEAR ON YOUR SPECIFICATIONS AND YOUR DESIGN DOCUMENTS, UH, AND THEN HOLD 'EM ACCOUNTABLE TO THOSE BIDS. CHANGE ORDERS HAPPEN, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE LARGER PROJECTS. BUT YOU DEFINITELY DO HAVE PEOPLE WHO HOLD A JOB IS, AND I'VE SEEN THAT IN MY TIME WHERE THEY BID LOW AND CHANGE ORDER UP. UH, IT'S A RISK WE HAVE TO MANAGE AND IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE HOLDING THEM ACCOUNTABLE OVER TIME. YOUR NEXT THOUGHT, I'M SORRY, YOU SAID YOU HAD ANOTHER ONE, ? I DID. I, SHE, I REMEMBER IT IN A LITTLE BIT. COUNCILMAN BIRD. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. UM, I, I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. I DO HAVE A, A SMALL PROBLEM WITH THE BEST VALUE APPROACH BECAUSE IT, IT WILL TEND TO HAVE FAVORITES. IT, IT, IT COULD TEND TO HAVE FA FAVORITES, UM, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, YOU KNOW, THEY, THERE IS A RAPPORT, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT. SO, UH, I THINK THAT THAT'S WHY PROBABLY WHY IN TIMES PAST WE'VE USED THE LOWEST UH, BIDDER, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IN THE RF QS IT'S STRICTLY BASED ON [02:45:01] BEST QUALITY, UH, THE QUALITY OF THE, THE BEST QUALIFICATIONS. CORRECT. WHICH IS, WHICH IS, WHICH IS A GOOD, BUT THAT'S, THOSE ARE LARGER DOLLARS AS WELL. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE THIS, IF WE GO TO THIS BEST VALUE APPROACH, WOULD YOU ALSO USE THE SAME METRIC THAT YOU WOULD USE? BECAUSE WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU'RE INTERVIEWING SOMEONE AND YOU'RE USING THE RFQ, YOU HAVE A MATRIX THAT YOU HAVE TO GRADE THEM ON, AND THAT BECOMES PART OF YOUR JUSTIFICATION FOR USING THIS ARCHITECT OVER THAT ONE. CORRECT? CORRECT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT BEST VALUE FOR SOMEONE UNDER $1.5 MILLION, WOULD YOU KEEP SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT WOULD JUSTIFY WHY THAT PERSON IS, UH, IS A HIGHER, MAYBE A HIGHER COST, BUT A BEST VALUE TO USE AND, AND PARTICULARLY THE REASONS WHY? YES, ABSOLUTELY. IN FACT, IN THE SOLICITATION, WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY THE SETS AND CRITERIA AND HOW THOSE POINTS WILL BE AWARDED. SO WE HAVE TO WORK AS BEST POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A, A, A SELECTION PROCESS THAT IS QUANTIFIABLE RATHER THAN QUANTITATIVE, RATHER THAN QUALITATIVE. RIGHT? TRY TO TAKE THAT SORT OF BIAS OUT EXCEPT FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO PROVIDE BENEFITS FOR. SO THAT HAS TO BE PART OF THIS SOLICITATION HAS TO BE VERY SPECIFIC AND, AND I MEAN, UH, EITHER SYSTEM CAN WORK, BUT I THINK WHEN YOU GO TO BEST VALUE WITH SUCH A LOW VOLUME MAYBE VENDOR MM-HMM, , UH, IT, IT TENDS TO MAKE YOU BIASED. UH, IT, IT CAN, CAN I SAY THAT? IT CAN, IT HAS THE POTENTIAL. SO THOSE ARE MY RED FLAGS BEING THROWN UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM. THANK YOU. UM, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS PRESENTATION. I THINK THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT WE WANT TO DEFINITELY DO, UM, EVERYTHING WE CAN TO, UH, LIVE UP TO THE GOAL OF THE 20%. AND SO I SEE THE BENEFIT OF THE BEST VALUE PROCUREMENT. UM, I, I DEFINITELY HEAR MY COLLEAGUES ON THE CONCERNS OF THE, UH, BIASED, BUT JUST TO ASK YOU, UH, 'CAUSE I WAS CURIOUS TOO ABOUT THE METRIC OF THE POINTS ON HOW THAT WOULD BE EVALUATED, BUT THAT DOESN'T, ADDING THAT CLAUSE DOESN'T LIMIT YOU FROM CHOOSING THE LOW BIDDER IF YOU CHOSE SO CHOOSE TO, RIGHT. IN A NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES, IT IS JUST SAYING THAT YOU OPEN UP THE CRITERIA OF WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PER THIS VENDOR, SO THAT IF THEY DO HAVE, UH, UH, AN MWBE UH, REPRESENTATION WITHIN THEIR ORGANIZATION, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN PLAY A FACTOR IN THEIR SELECTION, WHICH WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE. IF THAT, IS THAT CORRECT? I THINK THAT'S WELL SAID, MA'AM. YES. OKAY. AND, AND THEN SECONDLY WITH THAT, I THINK THAT ONE THING THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE TO CONSIDER IS THAT WE, WE HAVE SOME OF THE BEST POLICIES, I THINK IN THE BEST SOUTHWEST, UM, BUT THEY MEAN NOTHING WITHOUT EXECUTION. RIGHT. AND I LOVE WHAT THE MAYOR SAID ABOUT THE SBA, UH, UH, 'CAUSE I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO TED JAMES AND HIM, HIM ECHOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID AROUND, HEY, LET'S HAVE SOME EVENTS WHERE WE CAN BRING IN PROCURE, HAVE IT FROM A PROCUREMENT PERSPECTIVE TO, TO HELP THOSE THAT NEED HELP WITH THE CERTIFICATION. BUT FURTHERMORE, MY OTHER QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, I REACHED OUT TO SOME FOLKS THAT I KNOW THAT JUST DEAL IN THIS WORLD EVERY DAY, DO WE DO ANY MANDATORY PRE-BID MEETINGS? UM, AND I ASKED THAT BECAUSE I PUTTING THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR WITH SUBCONTRACTORS WHO NORMALLY WOULDN'T BE IN THEIR FACE, RIGHT? THE ABILITY TO SAY, HEY, I HAVE THIS SKILL SET I CAN HELP. FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT'S A GREAT TOOL AND ASSET THAT WE COULD, UH, DEFINITELY, UM, LEAN TOWARDS. AND THEN ALSO WHILE WE DO THE QUARTERLY SESSIONS WITH THE TRI, THE BEST SOUTHWEST CITIES, I, I LOVE IT. RIGHT? I THINK MY COLLEAGUES SAID IT BEST, UH, DR. MARKS IN A PRIOR COUNCIL MEETING. YOU KNOW, THE OBSERVATION OF WHAT'S THE WRAPAROUND BEHIND THAT, THE FOLLOW THROUGH, THE FOLLOW UP. AND I THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE AGGRESSIVENESS FROM THAT APPROACH TO, UM, IDENTIFY THOSE VENDORS THAT WE KNOW, EVEN THE ONES THAT WE DETERMINED WERE NOT CERTIFIED RIGHT. AGGRESSIVELY GOING AFTER THEM AND THEN PARTNERING WITH THE AGENCIES THAT WE NOW HAVE, NOT JUST THE DFW UM, MINORITY SUPPLIER, BUT ALSO, I ALWAYS GET THIS ACRONYM WRONG, THE N-C-T-R-A, YOU, YOU KNOW, WHO I'M TALKING ABOUT. THOSE PEOPLE, UM, TO HOST OUR OWN EVENTS HERE IN THE CITY TO WHEN WE HAVE BIG PROJECTS. EVEN IF WE CAN'T HIT THE 1.5 MILLION AREA, WE COULD STILL HAVE MORE TARGETED EVENTS HERE TO, UM, HELP PROMOTE THAT. SO THOSE WAS SOME THINGS I, AGAIN, I I DID WANT YOU TO ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR THE MANDATORY PRE-BID MEETING. IF THOSE DO HAPPEN, WE DO. WE DO. OKAY. OKAY. AND, AND SO, AND, AND WITH THAT THEN, HOW DOES THAT ADVERTISEMENT LOOK? BECAUSE I ALSO WAS, I ASKED DO WE PARTNER WITH ANY BLACK CHAMBERS OF COMMERCE THAT COULD HELP DISPERSE THE INFORMATION OUT TO THEIR VENDOR PARTIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL? [02:50:02] WE USE THE SAME MECHANISM TO ADVERTISE THE PRE-BID THAT WE DO, THE BIDS THEMSELVES. OKAY. SO WE CAN COMMUNICATE THROUGH THE SAME CHANNELS SO THAT EVERYONE WHO'S AWARE OF THE BID OPPORTUNITY IS ALSO AWARE OF THE PRE-BID. SO IT'S PART OF OUR SOLICITATION. UH, AS FAR AS PARTNERSHIPS, UH, WITH, UH, AFRICAN AMERICAN CHAMBERS, I, I DON'T PER PERSONALLY HAVE DIRECT INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE MET WITH THEM SEVERAL TIMES. UH, I'VE BEEN IN THOSE MEETINGS MYSELF, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE CONTACT THEM DURING THE SOLICITATION PROCESS. I'LL CHECK ON THAT AND GET BACK TO YOU. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. . THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN CHISHOLM. COUNCILMAN RAPHAEL. YES. WANTED TO JUST KIND OF DOUBLE BACK ON THE QUESTION. I MEAN, THE COMMENTS JUST ABOUT IF SOME THINGS WERE DECOUPLED AND US NOT HAVING THAT CAPACITY, ARE THERE EVER INSTANCES WHERE SOME THINGS COULD BE, UM, DECOUPLED AND WE COULD GROW OUR CAPACITY? SO WHAT WOULD IT TAKE FOR US TO THINK THROUGH SOME OF THESE CONTRACTS TO BREAK THEM DOWN AND TO, TO, TO SOME BITE SIZES? NOT EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, BUT COULD THERE BE SOME, SO WHAT ARE THOSE INSTANCES THAT IT COULD HAPPEN? THAT'S A CHALLENGING HYPOTHETICAL FOR ME TO RESPOND TO, TO BE HONEST. OKAY. UH, I THINK THAT, UM, WE HAVE A REAL HARD TIME, YOU KNOW, HAVING SUFFICIENT STAFF TO DO A REALLY GOOD JOB LONG TERM WITH COMPLEX PROJECT MANAGEMENT. UM, THAT'S NOT JUST, IT'S PART OF, IT'S OUR SIZE AND PART OF IT'S THIS REGION WHERE IT'S VERY COMPETITIVE TO GET HIGH QUALITY STAFF. 'CAUSE THEY'VE, EVERYBODY'S LOOKING FOR PROJECT MANAGERS. UH, SO THAT'S ALWAYS A CHALLENGE FOR US. UH, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE WILL DO. BUT I, I HAVE A HARD TIME SORT OF TELLING YOU WHETHER, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY WE'VE HAD AND HOW MANY WE'VE AVOIDED, ET CETERA. BUT OKAY. WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. OKAY. AND I, AND THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO REMEMBER. I COULD REMEMBER, I THINK IN A PREVIOUS, UH, PRESENTATION, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, US HAVING ANY REQUIREMENTS AS IT RELATES TO SUBS. AND SO JUST NOT HAVING POLICIES, YOU KNOW, IN PLACE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE SUBPRIME. SO WE HAVE OUR PRIMES AND SUBPRIME. SO, UM, HAVE YOU FOUND ANY BEST PRACTICES YET ON IT IN TERMS OF, WOULD THAT HELP US IN, IN THIS PURSUIT? OH, ACTUALLY WE, WE DO, UH, REQUIRE REPORTING ON, ON LARGER PROJECTS. FOR EXAMPLE, THE NATATORIUM IS A, A GOOD EXAMPLE. WE HAD A SPECIFIC TARGET THAT WAS PART OF THAT NEGOTIATION FOR, UH, PRO SUBS PARTICIPATION ON THOSE LARGER PROJECTS. WE ALSO ASK IN THE PAY APPLICATIONS THAT THEY WERE REPORT ANY PRIMES THAT ARE PARTICIPATING. SO WE DO COLLECT THAT INFORMATION, SEEK THAT INFORMATION AND MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THAT'S AN INTEREST. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU DO PROCEDURALLY, BUT DO WE HAVE POLICY ON IT SPECIFICALLY? WELL, IT'S PART OF OUR, OUR POLICY REGARDING THE DIVERSITY VENDOR PROGRAM, YES. OKAY. OKAY. 'CAUSE I THOUGHT I REMEMBER IT AT THAT TIME, WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY, HAVE A POLICY PER SE ON IT. YEAH, I, I'M, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE ACTUALLY, IT IS PART OF OUR DIVERSITY VENDOR PROGRAM. SO WE DO, OKAY. SO FOR THOSE LARGER PROJECTS, SO WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR THE LARGER? SO COULD WE ALSO HAVE THAT SAME KIND OF POLICY FOR SOME OF THE MID-SIZE ONES, OR, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE WHAT WAYS CAN WE INTERJECT MORE, UM, VENDORS INTO THIS WHOLE PROCESS? WE, WE ALWAYS ASK THAT, ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION. SO WE ALWAYS REQUEST THAT INFORMATION. 'CAUSE WE WANNA REPORT ACCURATE INFORMATION TO YOU. SO WHENEVER WE SEE A PAY APPLICATION, WE'RE ASKING FOR THEM TO GIVE US INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR SUBS AND WHETHER THEY HAVE A SUB THAT ACTUALLY IS CERTIFIED. WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE RFB PROCESS, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND THE MORATORIUM IS A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK CONSTRUCTION MANAGER AT RISK. WE WERE ABLE TO USE THE RFQ PROCESS TO HIRE, UH, THOSE INDIVIDUALS. SO THAT GAVE US MORE FLEXIBILITY AND WE WERE ABLE TO ASK MORE QUESTIONS AND PUT MORE REQUIREMENTS ON THEM. AND ONE OF THEM BEING, SETTING A SPECIFIC TARGET FOR DIVERSITY PARTICIPATION. WHEN WE DO A BID PROCESS, A LARGER BID PROCESS, WE CAN ASK FOR INFORMATION, BUT WE CAN'T NECESSARILY PUT A HARD TARGET ON IT. AND WE DO ASK FOR THAT INFORMATION AS PART OF THE REPORTING PROCESS. OKAY. AND THEN, UM, LET ME ASK ABOUT DO WE PRIORITIZE OUR RESIDENTS, THE RESIDENTS OR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN OUR REGION, DO WE SCORE BASED ON THAT? FOR THOSE WHO ARE LOCAL? WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINITION REGARDING THAT, MA'AM. SO WE WOULDN'T KNOW HOW TO DEFINE THAT. SO WE, WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT POLICY CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT WHAT A RESIDENT MEANS. I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH BIGGER CITIES. IT'S A COMPLEX CONVERSATION. IS WALMART LOCAL? THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A POLICY DISCUSSION AND WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT HERE. SO NO, WE DON'T CURRENTLY TRACK OKAY. WHETHER SOMEONE IS LOCAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'LL THINK ON THAT. THANK YOU. UM, MR. BOWER, WHAT DO YOU ALL NEED FROM US TONIGHT REGARDING THIS? NOTHING AT ALL. TONIGHT WAS JUST SIMPLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET BACK TO YOU. 'CAUSE WE PROMISED YOU FEEDBACK ON WHETHER YOU NEEDED TO TAKE ACTION ON THIS ITEM. UM, YOU DON'T, WE HAVE ALL THE AUTHORITY WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THE BEST VALUE, UH, WITHIN THE AUTHORITY OF THE STATE. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNSEL, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS BEFORE WE MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA? THANK YOU. UM, AND NICE TO MEET YOU, MR. WRITINGS. MM-HMM. . LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. [5. Consider accepting the resignation of the City Manager] UH, MS. THOMAS, AT THE NEXT TIME, AT THIS TIME, WE'LL [02:55:01] HAVE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. YOU NEXT WE HAVE CONSIDER ACCEPTING THE RESIGNATION OF THE CITY MANAGER PRESENTING AS CITY MANAGER BRANDON WRIGHT. I DIDN'T REALIZE I WOULD BE PRESENTING, UM, ON THIS ONE. I, I WANNA THANK THAT THE CITY COUNCIL. I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM KNOWS, UH, HOPEFULLY THERE ARE NONE THAT DON'T, UM, WITH IT THAT I, I RECENTLY ACCEPTED A POSITION AS TOWN MANAGER IN TROPHY CLUB. UM, WITH THAT COMES THE SAD NEWS THAT, UH, THAT I'LL BE LEAVING DESOTO. AND SO, UM, I, I SUBMITTED EARLIER A LETTER OF RESIGNATION, UH, TO YOU, WHICH NEEDS TO BE FORMALLY ACCEPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. UM, BUT BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I JUST WANT TO JUST EXPRESS MY, MY, MY SINCERE AND HEARTFELT, UH, GRATITUDE, UM, FOR THE MAYOR, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL, FOR ALL THAT THAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR MY OPPORTUNITY TO WORK THE TEAM HERE. UM, I CAN'T SAY ENOUGH. GOOD THING ABOUT THE STAFF OF DESOTO. WE HAVE THE VERY BEST STAFF IN THE WHOLE WORLD. UH, THEY'RE DEDICATED TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY, THEY WANNA DO WHAT'S RIGHT. UH, THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY WORK TIRELESSLY, UM, TO MAKE DESOTO A BETTER COMMUNITY. UM, AND IT'S FUN WHEN YOU GET TO COME IN THE OFFICE EVERY DAY AND WORK WITH PEOPLE BOTH AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL WHO HAVE A, A SINCERE PASSION FOR WHAT WE DO. UM, WHO WANT TO SEE A, BASICALLY WANNA SEE SMILES ON OUR RESIDENTS FACES, UM, EVERY SINGLE DAY. IT IS A, IT'S JUST A GREAT PRI PRIVILEGE TO HAVE, UH, WORKED WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THE STAFF DURING THIS TIME. UM, WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF THINGS OVER THE LAST, UH, BEEN HERE FOR A LITTLE OVER THREE AND A HALF YEARS NOW. UM, AND WE'VE DONE A LOT. UM, AND I, I ATTRIBUTE A LOT OF THAT SUCCESS TO THE WAY THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED AND APPROACHED THE STRATEGIC PLAN IN OUR ANNUAL BUSINESS PLANS, UH, THAT HAVE TRANSFORMED COMPLETELY HOW IT IS THAT WE DO BUSINESS AS A CITY. UM, THAT MEANS THAT EVERYONE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL TO OUR, TO EVERY EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS FOR US, UNDERSTANDS WHAT OUR MAIN GOALS ARE AND IS WORKING TOWARDS THOSE GOALS. WHAT THAT DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO ACCOMPLISH GREAT THINGS, RIGHT? WHEN WE, WHEN WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WE'RE FOCUSED ON THOSE THINGS AND WE GET ALL THE RESOURCE RESOURCES OF THE ORGANIZATION BEHIND THOSE ITEMS, UH, WE, WE, WE CAN DO, YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF GREAT THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. UM, I KNOW THIS OTTO HAS, UH, MANY, MANY GREAT THINGS AHEAD, UM, WITH IT. AND I WILL BE WATCHING VERY CLOSELY AND FOLLOWING VERY CLOSELY, UH, THAT SUCCESS BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, AS WE, I'VE, I'VE BEEN PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, I WILL ALWAYS BE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY, UM, AS FAR AS, UH, SEEING THE SUCCESS THAT THAT HAPPENS HERE IN DESOTO. UH, SO TO THE COUNCIL, TO THE STAFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, IT HAS BEEN A SINCERE PLEASURE. THANK YOU. CITY MANAGER, WRIGHT COUNCIL, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR ANY REMARKS? WE'LL TAKE THOSE. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER, RAPHAEL, SORRY. NO, I, UM, THANK YOU FOR, UM, YOUR TIME HERE WITH CITY OF DESOTO. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAME RIGHT AT THE HEIGHT OF COVID AND SO YOU JUMPED RIGHT IN. AND SO WE APPRECIATE YOU JUMPING RIGHT IN. UM, FOR, FOR MANY WHO DON'T KNOW, HE WAS THE ONLY EMPLOYEE WORKING, UM, INSIDE OF THE BUILDING PROPER. YOU KNOW, WE HAD STAFF WORKING, BUT, YOU KNOW, DURING COVID, BUT YOU CAME IN AND, AND YOU JUMPED IN AND, YOU KNOW, USHERED US THROUGH THE, OR WENT THROUGH IT WITH US AND, AND, UM, UM, MANAGED THE PROCESS OF LOSING A MARE AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO KEEP MOVING AND, YOU KNOW, JUST ALL OF THE THINGS THAT YOU HAD TO JUGGLE. SO I APPRECIATE, UM, THE TIME YOU DID PUT HERE. UM, DO HOPE YOU KNOW THAT WE, WE LEFT THE LAST IMPRESSION ON YOU THAT YOU CAN TAKE TO TROPHY CLUB AND, AND THEY CAN, THEY CAN BENEFIT FROM AS WELL. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN RAPHAEL. MAYOR PROTEL. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR. I JUST WANNA TELL BRANDON THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO YOUR FAMILY FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS, YOUR HARD WORK. YOU ARE OUT THERE, VERY SUPPORTIVE. WE WILL DEFINITELY MISS YOU. AND, UM, I JUST APPRECIATE ALL YOU ALL THAT YOU DID. AND BEST OF LUCK TO YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TIM, UH, COUNCILMAN BUR, UH, THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR BRANDON, THANK YOU, UH, COUNCILWOMAN RAPHAEL LOOKED OVER AND SAW MY NOTES, UH, FROM THE DEATH OF MAYOR MCCALLAN TO, UM, HISTORIC PANDEMIC THROUGH THE ICE STORM. YOU WERE THERE THROUGH IT ALL. AND, UH, NOT JUST THERE, UH, IN SPIRIT. YOU HAD YOUR, UH, YOUR SLEEVES, YOUR SLEEVES ROLLED UP. UM, EVERY, UM, FAT DADDY CONCERT. YOU WERE THERE, . UM, I AM JUST, UM, I'M, I WILL TRULY MISS YOU. I THINK THAT, UM, I WAS LISTENING TO KVIL AND I'VE NEVER HEARD, I HEARD, UH, THEM TALKING ABOUT IT. AND I HEARD THE MAYOR OF, UH, TR TROPHY CLUB SAY QUOTE, WE LOOKED, WE DID A NATIONAL SEARCH, AND WE ONLY HAD TO LOOK TO DESOTO TO FIND THE VERY BEST IN THE COUNTRY. AND I AGREE WITH HER WHOLEHEARTEDLY. UM, AND, UH, WE WISH YOU WELL, WE'RE GOING TO MISS YOU. BUT, UM, WE PRAY GOD'S BLESSINGS ON YOUR LIFE, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH A TROOPER. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN BY DR. MARKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR, COMING IN. WHAT, THIRD, FOURTH IS NOT VERY MUCH MORE LEFT, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOU, AND I'M SURE WE ALL APPRECIATE YOU. YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN, [03:00:01] UH, VERY ACCESSIBLE. UH, EVERY TIME I CALL, IF YOU WERE IN A MEETING, YOU'D CALL ME BACK. YOU MAKE SURE THAT I HAD WHAT I NEEDED IN ORDER TO ASSIST, UH, THE CITIZENS AND RESIDENTS THAT WE SERVE HERE IN OUR ALL AMERICA CITY. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR FAMILY. AND, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE JUST BEEN WONDERFUL. THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE, UH, THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU DID BRING TO, UM, DESOTO. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I'M GLAD THAT, UM, I DO SEE GROWTH. AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE GONNA TAKE A LOT OF DESOTO OVER TO TROPHY CLUB BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY HEARD IN YOUR PRESENTATION, I'M SURE, BECAUSE THIS WAS THE GROOMING GROUND, IF YOU WILL, FOR THEM. AND DESOTO IS THE PLACE TO DO THAT. SO WE THANK YOU FOR, FOR ALL THAT YOU'VE DONE FOR US, AND BEST OF LUCK TO YOU AND YOUR FAMILY MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DR. MARKS COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM, I JUST WANNA SAY CONGRATULATIONS. UM, UH, I AM PROUD OF YOU. UH, I THINK THIS IS QUITE AN ACCOMPLISHMENT. UM, I, I WOULD SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, DE SOTO'S KNOWN FOR GROOMING SOME OF THE BEST N-F-L-N-B-A PLAYERS. I, I LIKE TO THINK OF US AS THE SPORTS CAPITAL. AND I THINK NOW WE CAN HANG THE TROPHY OF, UH, SPORTS CITY MANAGERS THAT WE WILL, WE WILL GROOM THE BEST FOR GREATNESS. AND SO WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING OVER HERE, WE'LL BE LOOKING OVER THERE FOR GREATNESS AS WELL. AND TO APRIL WRIGHT, IF YOU'RE WATCHING, THANK YOU FOR SHARING. I'M SURE THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE WITH US. UH, AT TIMES YOU DID NOT WANT TO. UM, AND, UH, TO YOUR THREE LITTLE ONES, THANK YOU FOR, UH, THE LONG NIGHTS THAT DADDY COULDN'T TUCK YOU IN. UM, THANK YOU FOR THE, THE DAYS AWAY. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE, UM, THAT, UH, THE TIME YOU SPENT AWAY THAT THEY DEFINITELY MISSED YOU MORE THAN ANYTHING. SO, UM, FOR THAT I SAY THANK YOU FOR SACRIFICING YOUR TIME SO THAT WE CAN MAKE DESOTO BETTER. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM. COUNCIL MEMBER PARKER. I WOULD SAY LAST BUT NOT LEAST, I'D SAY THANK YOU FOR, UM, THE LITTLE TIME THAT I'VE HAD WITH YOU. UH, CONGRATULATIONS. UH, I DO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE CONVERSATIONS, AND, UH, ALL OF THE TIME THAT YOU GAVE, UM, TO MY NEWNESS, THE QUESTIONS I HAD. UM, I WISH YOU WELL. I WISH YOUR FAMILY WELL. I WISH YOU NOTHING BUT SUCCESS, BUT I ALSO WISH DESOTO SUCCESS MOVING FORWARD TO FIND THAT NEXT CITY MANAGER THAT'S LIKE YOU HAVE A GOOD ONE. CITY MANAGER WRIGHT, YOU AND I MET EACH OTHER AT A VERY INTERESTING TIME. YES, WE DID. UH, I WAS NOT SWORN IN ONE WEEK, UM, WHEN THE ICE STORM CAME. AND SO YOU AND I HAD TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER AND WE HAD TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER VERY FAST, UM, TO MAKE IT THROUGH THOSE, UH, THAT TIME. BUT, UM, I THINK EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE SAID HAS BEEN SAID, BUT I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW THAT I DO APPRECIATE, UM, ALL OF THE, THE TIME THAT WE'VE SPENT TOGETHER IN CULTIVATING AND WORKING TOGETHER AND JUST HOW WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO REALLY BUILD THAT REALLY GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP. AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT YOU WILL DO EXCELLENT WORK, UM, AND YOU WILL DO WELL IN TROPHY CLUB. AND I KNOW THAT THEY ARE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE YOU, UM, THERE WITH THEM. SO WE, BUT WE WILL MISS YOU. UM, WE WILL MISS YOU AND, UH, MISS YOUR FAMILY AS WELL. AND LIKE MANY OF YOU SAID, JUST, UM, YOU ALL NOT, THIS WASN'T JUST A JOB FOR YOU. IT BECAME VERY APPARENT THAT IT WAS NOT JUST A JOB FOR YOU. UM, BUT YOUR CHILDREN WERE IN OUR SCHOOLS, YOUR WIFE WAS WORKING THERE, AND, AND YOU ALL BECAME A VERY INTEGRAL PART, UM, OF THE FABRIC OF THE COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THAT IT LENDED ITSELF TO THE GREAT JOB THAT YOU DID HERE, UM, IN THE CITY OF DESOTO. AND OUR RESIDENTS ARE GONNA MISS YOU. WE'RE HEARING IT, UM, EVERY DAY ABOUT, UM, JUST THEIR INTERACTIONS WITH YOU. AND IT WAS ALL VERY POSITIVE. SO WE APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO AT THIS TIME WITH A LITTLE BIT OF RELUCTANCY, UM, COUNSEL, I WILL ASK FOR A CONSENSUS TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF CITY MANAGER BRANDON WRIGHT. WE NEED A MOTION AND A SECOND. WE DO NEED A MOTION. AND A SECOND. IS THERE A MOTION? MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE, UH, THE LETTER OF RESIGNATION FROM, UM, MR. WRIGHT TO BE EFFECTIVE. UH, DECEMBER 8TH, SECOND. SECOND, I BELIEVE, LET ME SEE. THAT'S A LEGAL QUESTION. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, JUST ACCEPTING THE LETTER OF RESIGNATION, CORRECT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. NOT NECESSARILY EFFECTIVE DATE. 'CAUSE THE EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD'VE BEEN THE DATE IT WAS SUBMITTED. YEAH. ACCEPT, JUST ACCEPTING THE LETTER OF RESIGNATION. OKAY. UM, MAYOR, I, UH, MOVED TO, UM, CORRECT MY PREVIOUS MOTION TO SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO ACCEPT THE LETTER OF RESIGNATION FROM MR. WRIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? [03:05:03] SECOND. UH, MAYOR, PRETEND YOU MUST HAVE LOST YOUR VOICE OR SOMETHING. I'M LIKE, I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. SHE WAS SAYING HARD THIS SUNDAY FOR PASTOR PASTOR'S ANNIVERSARY. I WAS ABOUT TO SAY YOU MR. SHE SAYING HARD SECOND HARD. UM, SO IT'S BEEN SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM'S, UH, EXCUSE ME, MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM SECOND BY MAYOR PRO TEM TO ACCEPT THE RESIGNATION OF CITY MANAGER BRANDON WRIGHT. COUNCIL, UM, ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU COUNCIL. UM, GOOD LUCK. THANK [6. Executive Session] YOU. THANK YOU. UM, AT THIS TIME WE HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION, SO I'M GONNA ASK OUR CITY SECRETARY TO READ THAT ITEM ON THE AGENDA. YES, MA'AM. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION PURSU, PURSUANT TO SECTION 5 51 0.074 PERSONNEL MATTERS OF THE TEXAS GOVERNMENT CODE TO DELIBERATE THE APPOINTMENT, EMPLOYMENT, AND DUTIES OF THE CITY MANAGER AND INTERIM CITY MANAGER, AND ANY ACTION AS A RESULT. THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME, IT IS 9:14 PM WE WILL CONVENE INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE WILL RETURN, UH, WITH ANY ACTION AS A RESULT. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. IT IS 10:12 PM AND WE HAVE ADJOURNED OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION AT THIS TIME. THERE WAS NO ACTION AS A RESULT OF OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION TONIGHT. SO COUNSEL, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND. IT'S BEEN MOVED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHISHOLM. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, MARKS TO ADJOURN. COUNSEL. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. CORRECTION. MAYOR, THAT WAS, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM. OH, EXCUSE ME. MAYOR PRO TEM. SECONDED. UM, AT THIS TIME, COUNCIL ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A AYE. ALL OPPOSED, SAME SIGN. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY IS 10:13 PM AND WE ARE NOW ADJOURNED. THANK YOU COUNSEL. HAVE A GOOD EVENING. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.