* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] GOOD [A. WORK SESSION AGENDA: Call to Order] EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THE TIME IS 6:01 PM TODAY IS TUESDAY, JULY 25TH. IT'S OFFICIALLY CALLED THE CITY OF DESOTO, PLANNING THE ZONING COMMISSION WORK SESSION TO ORDER. UM, THE FIRST ITEM OF BUSINESS IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, MEETING MINUTES. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS TO THE MEETINGS AS MEETING MINUTES? EXCUSE ME, AS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED, MR. CHAIR? YES. ALRIGHT. OKAY, MR. , GO RIGHT HERE. UH, THERE'S A PORTION OF THE MINISTER NOT HERE DEALING WITH THE, UH, PRESENTATION BY THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER. IT'S THE, THE ENDING OF IT IS NOT THERE. AND I, AND I'VE LEARNED THAT THAT PORTION OF THE VIDEO WAS SOMEHOW CUT OFF TOO. AH, OKAY. SO, UH, AND, AND, AND APPARENTLY CITY COUNCIL APPROVED OUR NON-APPROVAL OR OUR, WHATEVER THE CASE WAS, AND THERE'S NO RECORD OF WHAT WE DID OR DECIDED THAT NIGHT. OKAY. WELL, I'M, I'M SURE THE, THE AUDIO AND VIDEO VIDEO FILES EXIST SOMEPLACE. WE WILL ASK THAT STAFF, ADD THEM TO THE RECORDS. WELL, I TALKED TO STAFF BEFORE AND, UH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A CONCERN THAT IT MAY NOT BE EVEN IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S, UH, UH, VIDEO OR RECORDING. HMM. BIZARRE. JUST, JUST, JUST, JUST FOR INFORMATION, SO THAT PORTION OF IT IS INCOMPLETE. YES, SIR. DULY NOTED. UM, SO SHOULDN'T WE AT LEAST TURN YOUR MIC ON, SIR? SHOULDN'T WE AT LEAST, UH, DISCUSS WHAT WAS ELIMINATED FROM THE MINUTES? IT WAS YOUR COMMENTS AS WELL AS THE VOTE, YOUR COMMENT, I'M SORRY, THE, THE VICE CHAIR'S COMMENTS? MM-HMM. AND, UH, TO THE PRESENTER, AS WELL AS OUR FINAL VOTE. MR. PUGH, DO YOU RECALL THE DEPTH OF YOUR COMMENTS FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING MINUTES BACK FROM THE PREVIOUS MEETING BACK IN JUNE, THE 28TH? I WANNA SAY, UH, MR. CHAIR, BASICALLY, AS I RECALL, UH, WE HAD ONE OF OUR ASSISTANT, UH, CITY MANAGERS GIVE A PRESENTATION AS IT RELATES TO NANCE FARM. UH, THERE WAS SOME CONCEPT PHOTOS, UH, THAT WERE PRESENTED, AND ALSO DISCUSSION ABOUT FUTURE PLANS AS IT RELATES TO NANCE FARM. UH, ON THAT PARTICULAR EVENING, WE HAD SEVERAL, UH, RESIDENTS OF THAT COMMUNITY. I, I SEE HERE, UH, WE HAVE IT NOTATED THAT 12 CITIZENS SPOKE, BUT IT WAS MANY MORE IN ATTENDANCE, UH, WHO SHOWED UP IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. AND BASICALLY ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS WAS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT WAS GONNA COME TO THE AREA. ALSO, THE AMPHITHEATER, UH, THAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED THAT WOULD CREATE, UH, A NOISE ISSUE AND JUST OTHER ITEMS, UH, IN GENERAL THAT THEY HAD ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. AND ONE OF THEIR BIGGEST CONCERNS, UM, ADDITION, IN ADDITION TO, UM, UM, LET ME ALSO MENTION PARKING IN TERMS OF WHERE EVERYBODY WAS GOING TO PARK, BUT I THINK THEIR BIGGEST CONCERN WAS THAT NOBODY, UH, FROM THE COMMUNITY, AT LEAST THOSE WHO WERE PRESENT THAT EVENING, UH, HAD BEEN CONSULTED, HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO ANYBODY, UH, WHO WAS, UH, PART OF THE PROJECT. UH, IN TERMS OF WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS WERE, UH, ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL. UH, I KNOW OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER BASICALLY SAID THAT 500 CARDS HAD BEEN SENT OUT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE SEEMED TO HAVE RECEIVED ONE. UH, I THINK THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, TO BE FAIR TO HIM, ALSO SAID THAT THERE MAY HAVE BEEN OTHER MEASURES TAKEN. UM, HOWEVER, NO ONE IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, BASICALLY HAD RECEIVED ANY KIND OF NOTIFICATION, UH, AS IT RELATES TO THAT PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. SO, INITIALLY, UH, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF NOTICE, ALL OF THE VARIOUS CONCERNS THAT DID NOT SEEM TO BE ADDRESSED, AND THE FACT THAT WE WERE FAR DOWN THE ROAD IN TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT, OR AT LEAST THE PLANNING OF THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM, UH, MY INITIAL, UH, SUGGESTION, UH, WAS TO POSSIBLY TABLE THE MATTER INTO A, A, A DIFFERENT DATE. UH, THE CHAIR IN HIS, IN HIS INFINITE WISDOM, BASICALLY REMINDED US ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HERE NECESSARILY TO KEEP THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. AND SO THE CHAIR SAID, WELL, LOOK, WE'RE NOT THE FINAL AUTHORITY ANYWAY. THIS IS GONNA GO TO CITY COUNCIL, SO WE, WE AT LEAST NEED TO, UH, BRING IT TO A VOTE. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I MADE THE MOTION, UH, TO DENY OR TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY, UH, THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CASE NUMBER Z DASH 49 7 DASH 23. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, COMMISSIONER BROOKS SECONDED THAT MOTION. AND THEN IT, IT BECAME, IT CAME BEFORE THE FULL COMMISSION, UH, WHO ALL WERE IN, WHO WERE ALL PRESENT THAT EVENING, AND IT PASSED TO DENY SEVEN TO ZERO. AND SO THAT BRINGS US, UH, TO WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO, UH, TO COMMISSIONER, UH, GILSTRAP AND TO, UH, COMMISSIONER, UH, DALE'S POINTS, UH, THERE SHOULD BE A NOTATION, UH, THAT THERE WAS A MOTION BROUGHT, UH, AND SECOND HIM TO DENY RECOMMENDATION [00:05:01] OF DENIAL. AND THAT RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL PASSED SEVEN TO ZERO THAT EVENING. MR. CHAIR, GO RIGHT AHEAD, MR. GILSTRAP. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EVEN WITHOUT THE COMPLETE RECORD FROM THE COMMISSION, CITY COUNCIL BROUGHT IT UP AND, AND APPARENTLY APPROVED IT, BUT THEIR RECORDING IS NOT COMPLETE. UM, I HAVE NOT WATCHED THE RECORDING. I WAS NOT THERE IN PERSON, SO I CAN'T TESTIFY TO THAT. UH, GO RIGHT AHEAD, MR. BREWER. UH, JUST A MATTER OF REFERENCE, THIS CASE DID NOT GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL. THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE OF DEPUTY CITY MANAGER CHRISTOFF, UH, REQUESTED IT TO BE TABLED. THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. MR. UH, MR. BREWER. SO WE HAD IT ON THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA AND IDENTIFIED THAT IT HAS BEEN, UH, TABLED TO A TIME IN THE FUTURE. ALSO ALLOW US TO, UH, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, PLEASE, UH, ALLOW YOUR ACTION TO BE THE TABLE ACTION ON THE MINUTES, AND WE'LL PUT 'EM ON YOUR NEXT MEETING. AGENDA, UH, CORRECTED. THANK YOU. MR. ALSO, ALSO NOTE THAT OUR MINUTES WILL NOT NECESSARILY GO INTO THAT DETAIL, BUT WE WILL HAVE THE FORMAL MINUTES FOR YOU TO INCLUDE THE ACTION OF THE, UH, COMMISSION. THANK YOU, MR. BREWER. AND FOR THE RECORD, THAT IS ALSO MY RECOLLECTION OF HOW THE CONVERSATION WENT THAT MR. PUGH JUST DESCRIBED. THANK YOU ALL. ANY OTHER QUE UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THE MEETING MINUTES? JUST GO RIGHT AHEAD, MS. I JUST WANNA CONFIRM THAT OUR VOTE WILL BE RECORDED BEFORE THIS IS TAKEN, TAKEN UP BY CITY COUNCIL TO, SO TO THEY'RE AWARE OF THE VOTE TO BE. IT'S, IT'S MANDATED. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. ACTUALLY, THE STAFF HAD OUR, UH, REPORT READY AND, UH, IT INCLUDED YOUR ACTION, BUT IT GOT, UH, WITHDRAWN TO A LATER DATE. THANK YOU. UH, WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON OUR REGULAR AGENDA THIS EVENING. UM, WE'VE ADDED, EXCUSE ME, WE HAVE FOUR. NOPE, WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE, UH, MEETING MINUTES. WE'RE ADDING SOMETHING NEW. THERE'LL BE CITIZEN APPEARANCES IN THE REGULAR HEARING. WE'LL TACKLE THAT AS IT COMES. WE DO HAVE THREE CASES THIS EVENING. JUST FOR THE RECORD, I WILL BE RECUSING MYSELF, MYSELF FROM AGENDA ITEM F THREE. MR. PUGH WILL TAKE THE REINS ON THAT COURSE DURING THE WORK SESSION AND DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, I HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON THAT CASE. I'M ONE OF THE PARTIES THAT WAS NOTIFIED THAT, UM, RECEIVED A NOTICE FROM OWNING A RESIDENCE WITHIN THE RADIUS. SO THE FIRST HEARING OF THE EVENING, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING FROM JUNE 27TH, PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING, AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON A APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REZONE A 10.29 ACRE TRACT OF LAND LE LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOTS ONE A, ONE, B TWO, AND THREE IN THE FOUR ACRES EDITION. GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WEST BELTLINE IS SOUTH ELLERSON ROAD. I'M GONNA SKIP ALL THAT. IT'S CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1 4 9 4 DASH 23. WE HAD AN OPEN HEARING. WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING OPENED AND WE DID NOT CLOSE IT. SO, MS. MAZI, I'M GONNA ASK YOU TO GIVE US A SUMMARY TO KIND OF REFRESH ALL OF US. 'CAUSE THAT WAS A GOOD MONTH AGO BECAUSE GO RIGHT AHEAD, MA'AM. HI, GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. SO LAST MONTH WHEN THIS, UH, CASE CAME BEFORE YOU, UM, IT, WE DISCUSSED, I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS, BUT, UH, IT WAS, UM, I THINK FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WHO REQUESTED THAT, UH, WE MEET WITH THE APPLICANT AND DISCUSS SOME OF THE ISSUES. SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED WERE, UM, ISSUES TO DO WITH, UH, STREET SCAPE, WHETHER THEY WERE GOING TO PROVIDE STREET, STREET STREETSCAPE, AS WELL AS OTHER AMENITIES THAT CAN HELP THAT ARE, THAT ARE, UM, PROPOSAL. AND, AND ANOTHER THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED WAS ABOUT THE STREET DIS STREET LENGTH, NOT LENGTH WIDTH BECAUSE THEY WERE PROPOSING SOME STREETS THAT WERE 40 FEET WIDE AND SOME THAT WERE 50 FEET WIDE. SO IT WAS LATER AGREED THAT, UH, WITH THE APPLICANT IN AGREEMENT THAT, UH, THOUGHT, UM, WE WOULD MEET WITH THEM WITH THE APPLICANT, DISCUSS THE ISSUE, AND LET THE APPLICANT GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE WHATEVER CORRECTIONS. AND WE DID MEET WITH THE APPLICANT. UM, WE DISCUSSED AND CAME TO SOME AGREEMENTS AND SOME CONCLUSION ON, ON THE ITEM ITSELF. HOWEVER, AFTER WE DONE WITH THE REPORT, THE APPLICANT DECIDED AGAIN THAT THEY NEEDED TO GET IT TABLED TO THE NEXT, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING. AND MS. RAZZI, UH, [00:10:01] IF MY, IF MY CALENDAR IS CORRECT, THAT NEXT MEETING IS AUGUST 22ND. YES. YES. AND, UH, WE ARE STAFF IS, UH, RECOMMENDING THAT, UH, THE COMMISSION ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE TO THE NEXT MEETING. AND IF, IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECT, THERE WERE TWO ISSUES. UH, WELL, THREE ISSUES. TWO OF THEM ARE KIND OF RELATED THAT THE COMMISSION WAS DISCUSSION FIRST WAS THE RIGHT OF WAY WITH, I BELIEVE THE STANDARD RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH IS 50, A MINIMUM OF 50 FEET IN A COUPLE OF AREAS. THE APPLICANT WAS REQUESTING 40 FEET WIDTH. YES. UM, THERE WAS THE GREEN SPACE OF COURSE, YES. OR LACK THEREOF. AND THERE WAS ACCESS TO THE GREEN SPACE VIA, UH, PAVED WALKWAYS. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AM I MISSING SOMETHING? JUST AS A SUMMARY. YOU ARE CORRECT. CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO ADD, UM, I GUESS THE MORE TIME STAFF HAS TO REVIEW CASES, THE MORE THINGS WE SEE. UH, WE MET WITH THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE, I BELIEVE TWO, MAYBE THREE TIMES. I KNOW TWO FOR SURE TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT. WHEN WE WENT BACK AND ACTUALLY READ OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, UH, WE ACTUALLY, UH, GOT A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF MIXED USES IN THAT DEFINITION. OUR ZONING ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES THAT A MIXED USE ACTUALLY HAS TO BE WITHIN THE SAME BUILDING OR WITHIN THE SAME LOT. SO WHILE WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU AS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT FOR MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT OF HAVING RETAIL AND THE TOWN CENTER, WE TRULY HAVE A PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT IS GONNA HAVE BASE ZONING OF GENERAL RETAIL AND TWO FAMILY, UH, UH, TOWN HOMES. WE ALSO IDENTIFIED AT THAT TIME, SINCE NOW WE ARE SEEING IT'S A SEPARATION THAT WE INFORMED THE APPLICANT, HE ACTUALLY NEEDED TO REMOVE THAT WHEN YOU COME IN OFF THE ROAD. WE HAD AN ENTRYWAY THAT WAS GOING TO THE NEXT FROM THE RESIDENTIAL DIRECTOR TO THE COMMERCIAL. WELL, SINCE THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE TOTAL USAGES WE IDENTIFIED TO HIM, HE NEEDS TO REMOVE THAT AND HE NEEDS TO CONTACT TDOT TO LOOK AT OBTAINING AN ENTRANCE OFF OF BELTLINE FOR THE TWO COMMERCIAL COMPONENTS AND ALSO LOOK AT A ACCESS OFF OF THE SIDE ROAD ELLISON. DURING THAT MEETING, HE WAS PROPOSING ON HAVING HIS ACCESS ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD TO BE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE STREET THAT IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACROSS THE STREET. WE HAD GENERALLY INDICATED TO HIM, WE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT YOU DEFINITELY HAVE TO, UH, LOOK AT OUR PAVING MANUAL TO ENSURE WHAT OF OUR DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FROM A MAJOR INTERSECTION AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WELL, WHEN I ENGINEERS DID LOOK AT THAT, I THINK THEY FOUND A CONFLICT OF WHERE HE WAS PROPOSING IT AND WE COMMUNICATED THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THE APPLICANT. AND THAT'S A PART OF HIS HARDENING FEELING THAT, UM, WE HAVE PLAYED ANOTHER CARD ON HIM DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HAD COMMITTED IN THE MEETING. WE DID NOT CONFIRM OR THAT WE NOT AGREE THAT THAT ACCESS OFF OF ELLISON COULD BE DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THAT STREET. WE JUST UNDERSTOOD HIS, HIS, HIS DESIRE, BUT WE DIRECTED HIM TO GET WITH, UH, ENGINEERING TO DETERMINE WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO YOU ARE CORRECT, UH, CHAIRMAN THAT AT YOUR LAST MEETING, UH, SEVERAL THINGS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT WAS, UH, NOT HAVING THE CITIES ESTABLISH 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY. HE WAS PROPOSING BOTH 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WITH 27 FOOT PAVEMENT WIDTH AND 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY WITH 27 PAVEMENT WIDTH. HE IDENTIFIED THAT THE 40 FOOT WERE GOING TO BE NOT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE TOWN HOMES. SO IT'S THE ONES THAT'S COME KIND OF GOING MORE UP AND DOWN. WE ALSO DISCUSSED WITH HIM, UH, THE NEED TO DEFINITELY IDENTIFY WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS OPEN SPACE, UH, STAFF. WE HAD TO GO MAKE A PRESENTATION BEFORE OUR CITY COUNCIL LAST MONDAY ON OPEN SPACE IN GREEN SPACE. AND WE GAVE THEM ANALYSIS OF THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. UH, WE IDENTIFIED THAT THE CITY CURRENTLY HAS REGULATIONS FOR A, UH, TOWN HOME DISTRICT. IT REFERENCES YOU TO THE MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT. AND IN OUR MULTI-FAMILY DISTRICT, IT IS ESTABLISHED BY THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS YOU HAVE. SO, UH, ROOMS YOU HAVE BEDROOMS. IF YOU HAVE A ONE BEDROOM, THE MULTIPLIER IS 60 SQUARE FEET, 600, I'M SORRY, ANY NUMBER OF BEDROOMS ABOVE THAT, IT ADDS ANOTHER 300. SO WE WERE TELLING HIM FOR WHATEVER NUMBER YOU ARE GONNA PROPOSE, YOU GOT TO GIVE US QUANTIFIABLY WHAT THAT INFORMATION IS. AND IF YOU ARE DESIRING TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION AND REQUEST A DEVIATION FROM THAT, THAT'S YOUR RIGHT. BUT WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. WE ALSO MADE THE REQUIREMENTS YOU NEED TO TELL US THIS PLAYGROUND AREA THAT YOU'RE SHOWING WITH THE [00:15:01] CIRCULAR ROUNDABOUT, WHAT SIZE IS THAT? BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WELL, AT A MINIMUM THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SO MANY SQUARE FEET FOR THIS PLAYGROUND AREA. HE ALSO WAS TRYING TO, I DON'T KNOW THE TERM, BUT GOTTA BE CAREFUL ON IT, TRIED TO IDENTIFY THAT THE SPACE IN THE REAR YARDS WAS A PART OF HIS OPEN SPACE. HE'S COME BACK AND DRAWN A LITTLE STRIP OF LAND NEAR THEIR WEST SIDE, AND WE JUST TOLD HIM THAT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT REAL. THAT'S, THAT'S NOT WORK OF. SO HE REALIZES THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA BEND ON REQUIREMENTS OF NEEDING TO KNOW WHAT HE'S PROPOSING. IF HE DOESN'T MEET, WHATEVER THAT MULTI-FAMILY REQUIREMENT IS, HE NEEDS TO REQUEST OF DEVIATION. NOW, HE IS UNFORTUNATELY HAS THAT CARD THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE A BUILDER, SO HE DOESN'T NECESSARILY AT THIS POINT KNOW HOW MANY BEDROOMS HE'S GONNA HAVE, BUT WE'RE SAYING WE GOTTA NOTE IN ORDER TO COMPUTE IT, WE HAVE TO KNOW HOW MANY BEDROOMS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE ABLE TO THUS SAY YOU ARE REQUESTING DEVIATION. SO THERE ARE A LOT, UH, STILL SOME THINGS TO GO ON. SO THAT'S WHY, UH, LAST WEEK ON, I THINK IT WAS THAT FRIDAY BEFORE WE WERE, UH, DOING THE AGENDA, WE ACTUALLY GOT AN EMAIL REQUEST FROM HIM REQUESTING TO A TABLE TO YOUR NEXT MEETING. THANK YOU, MR. BREWER. AND I THINK I SPEAK FREELY FOR ALL OF US THAT WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE NEED SOME MORE TIME. WELL, NOT WE, THE COLLECTIVE WE BUT STAFF AND THE APPLICANT NEED MORE TIME TO HASH IT OUT SO WE CAN HAVE A COMPLETE PICTURE. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? Z DASH 1 4 9 4 DASH 23? JUST, UH, WONDERING WHAT ROADWAY WAS THE PLAN TO EXTEND TO ENTER INTO HIS PROPERTY? I'M LOOKING AT GOOGLE MAPS AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GRANITE OR WHITEWATER TRAIL. WAS IT, ARE YOU ABLE TO GIVE US THE ROADWAY? IF NOT, THAT'S OKAY. I CAN WAIT UNTIL THE CASE COMES BACK. I DON'T KNOW IT OFF MY HEAD. I CAN LOOK AT THE BREAK. BUT WHERE ELLISON IS, RIGHT, THAT SUBDIVISION THAT'S ON THE EXACT EAST, THAT FIRST ENTRY ROAD THAT'S COMING INTO THAT IS WHAT HE WANTED TO ALIGN UP WITH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WANTED ALSO TO MAYBE MS. BROER DIDN'T SEE THE, UM, THE LATEST UH, CASE, BUT THEY DID GIVE US, UM, THAT 36 UNITS WERE GOING TO BE THREE BEDROOMS AND TH 26 WERE GOING TO BE TWO BEDROOMS. HOWEVER, THE ISSUE OF OPEN SPACE, 'CAUSE NOW THEY'RE USING WHATEVER EVERY LITTLE BIT LIKE IN FRONT OF PARKING SPACES, THEY'RE CALLING IT OPEN SPACE. IT'S, BUT AS WE WERE DISCUSSING LAST MONDAY, YOU GUYS WERE AT THE MEETING WHEN WE TALKED TO, WHEN WE PRESENTED ABOUT OPEN SPACES TO BE USABLE. SO WE ARE STILL HAVING TO, TO WORK WITH THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE MEETING THE USABLE OPEN SPACE, BUT, UH, WE ARE YET TO RECEIVE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. BUT THEY HAVE GIVEN US 36 UNITS WILL BE THREE BEDROOMS AND 26 WILL BE TWO BEDROOMS. NOTED. SOUNDS LIKE MR. GIL, MR. GIL'S ABOUT TO GET SOME MORE GREEN SPACE. UH, ALRIGHT. NEXT CASE OF THE EVENING, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF A PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD 1 0 5 AMENDMENT TO ADD A MEDICAL CLINIC TO THE EXISTING WALMART STORE. THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT A, EXCUSE ME, LOT ONE A BLOCK, A WALMART HEATH CREEK EDITION. THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF 37.197 ACRES OF LAND AND IS ADDRESSED AS 9 51 WEST BELTLINE ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS BOWLER ENGINEERING AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WALMART REAL ESTATE BUSINESS TRUST CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1,502 DASH 23. MS. RAZZI, MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT, PLEASE? YES. CASE NUMBER Z 15 0 2 23 IS A, IS A PT AMENDMENT REQUEST TO ADD A MEDICAL CLINIC WITHIN THE EXISTING WALMART STORE. THE SITE IS 37.197 ACRES AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED PD 1 0 5. THE PROPERTY IS ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH ELLISON ROAD AND WEST BELTLINE ROAD. IT IS ADDRESSED AS 9 9 9 51 WEST BELTLINE ROAD. THIS IS THE AREA IN THE VICINITY MAP. PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH ARE ZONED PD 93 WITH, UH, SOME HOMES AND PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH ARE ZONED SF EIGHT WITH SOME RESIDENCIES TO THE EAST IS PDD 97 WITH SOME RESIDENCIES AS WELL AS ON THE WEST. WE HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY, 10 WITH SOME RESIDENCIES. THE FUTURE END IS PLAN IDENTIFIES THE SITE IS [00:20:01] OFFICE RETAIL AND THE PROPOSED CLINIC IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE 2015 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ACCESS TO THIS SITE IS PROVIDED FROM NORTH ELLISON ROAD, A LOCAL ROAD THAT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE MASTER THERAPY MASTER THERAPY PLAN. THE PROPERTY IS ALSO ACCESSED FROM WEST BELTLINE ROAD, A SIX LANE, A TWO ROADWAY ON THE MASTER THERAPY PLAN AT THE PD. THE PD 1 0 5 WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN 2004 WITH GENERAL RETAIL AS THE BASE ZONING. HOWEVER, THERE HAS BEEN MULTIPLE AMENDMENTS TO PD 1 0 5 SINCE 2004 AND OVER THE YEARS WITH ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS LOCATION, THE CURRENT REQUEST IS TO AMEND PD 1 0 5 TO EIGHT A MEDICAL CLINIC INTO THE EXISTING WALMART STORE. THE SITE PLAN SHOWS WHERE THE CLINIC WILL BE LOCATED AND THE PARKING SPACES RES STRIPING ION PLANS SHOWS THE CHANGES TO THE STORE FACADE. AND THIS IS THE, THE SITE PLAN. LEMME SEE WHERE I CAN BE PUT. AND HERE IS WHERE THE, THE, UH, CLINIC WILL BE RIGHT HERE. AND THEN THE STRIPING, THE RES STRIPING TO JUST ACCOMMODATE SOME, SOME, UM, ACCESS SOME, SOME HANDICAP PARKING SPACES ARE RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE FACADE, UH, THE FACADE MAP PLAN AND THE, UH, THE, THIS WILL BE WHERE THE ENTRY TO THE CLINIC WILL BE. AND THIS, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE SHOWING IS THE LOOK THAT ARE THE CLINIC WILL BE, SO THE CLINIC WILL BE ON THE SIDE WHERE THE GARDEN AREA IS, BUT IT'LL BE THIS ENTRY RIGHT HERE. IT'S GONNA BE A SEPARATE ENTRY TO, TO THIS. AND THIS IS THE, UH, THE, THE TO FLOOR PLAN WITH OF THE CLINIC ITSELF. AND ON JULY 9TH, 2023, A PUBLIC NOTICE APPEARED IN THE NEWSPAPER AND WE MAILED 137 NOTIFICATION PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET. AND ONE LETTER WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND NO LETTERS IN OPPOSITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT, UH, THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE REQUEST TO RECOMMEND PD 1 0 5. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT ONE. 1 0 5 TO ALLOW FOR A CLINIC IS SUBMITTED AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU MS. RAZZI. SO JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY, OUTSIDE OF CHANGES TO THE FACADE IE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE AND AN ADDITIONAL ENTRY, THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING? NO. OKAY. UM, AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IF I KNOW THIS FACILITY, I THINK THEY'RE GONNA TAKE THE PLACE OF WHERE THERE'S AN EXISTING FEDEX SHIPPING CENTER IF MY MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY. I KNOW THAT'S NOT MISTAKEN PER THEY TAKING A PORTION OF THE GARDEN AREA. GOT IT. OKAY. YES. GOT IT. GOT IT, GOT IT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? GO RIGHT AHEAD MR. BRADLEY. I I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE DESIGNATED PARKING. IS THERE DESIGNATED PARKING FOR THE MEDICAL FACILITY ITSELF? I WOULDN'T SAY THEY, BUT THEY'RE JUST RE STRIPING TO ACCOMMODATE ACCESSIBLE PARKING RIGHT HERE BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE, UH, MORE THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR THIS SIZE OF STORE. THE PARKING THAT IS REQUIRED FOR THE WALMART ITSELF AS A WHOLE IS, UM, IS, IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF WHAT IS REQUIRED. SO THEY ARE JUST RES STRIPING TO JUST MAKE ACCOMMODATION FOR ACCESSIBLE PARKING AREA RIGHT HERE AT THE FRONT OF THE STORE. THE REASON I WAS ASKING, BECAUSE THEY CAME BEFORE US SEVERAL MONTHS AGO TO MOVE, UM, I GUESS WHEN YOU CALL IN AND GET YOUR GROCERIES AND YOU PICK HIM UP AND THEY, AND I THOUGHT THEY BROUGHT THEM TO THAT PARTICULAR AREA AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERST YEAH, SO THEY PICK UP THAT THEY COME, CAME WITH THE LAST TIME WAS HE'S ON THIS SIDE, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AFFECTED. OKAY. IT'S ON THE WEST, WEST SIDE RIGHT HERE. ALRIGHT. AND SO I GUESS THE LAST QUESTION I WAS ASKING, BECAUSE IT'S A MEDICAL FACILITY, ARE THEY HAVING TO RESTRUCTURE THE PARKING TO, TO ALLOW ACCESS DIRECTLY INTO THE FACILITY? YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHY I WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS AREA RIGHT HERE. AND THEY HAVE, UH, A RAMP THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO STRAIGHT INTO THAT, UH, PROPOSED CLINIC. OKAY. COMMISSIONER, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFY SPECIFIC SPACES [00:25:01] FOR THEIR OPERATION. OKAY. ANY SPACE IN THIS ENTIRE FACILITY COULD BE USED FOR PARKING. THERE ARE A DESIRING TO SPECIFICALLY INCREASE, UH, HANDICAP PARKING SPACES, BUT IF A PERSON WANTED TO PARK ALL THE WAY HERE BY THE, UH, GAS STATION, THEY COULD YES. BECAUSE OF ALL THAT PARKING BELONGS TO, TO WALMART, ALL THIS PARKING RIGHT HERE. THANK YOU. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OKAY. HEARING AND SCENE? NONE. I'M GONNA SKIP AHEAD FOR ONE SECOND. DO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THIS EVENING? I'LL DO IT. MR. CHAIR. RIGHT AHEAD. MR. GILSTRAP. UM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I'M GONNA RECUSE MYSELF FOR THE FINAL CASE OF THE HEARING, UH, OF THE EVENING. I WILL SEE YOU ALL DURING THE REGULAR SESSION. THANK YOU CHAIRMAN. UH, MR. BREWER WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING WHEN YOU WERE, OH, I APOLOGIZE. WERE REUSING YOURSELF EARLIER AND YOU DIDN'T NOTICE HIM. I'M SORRY. UM, OKAY. BUT IF YOU, WE JUST NEED FOUR AND FOUR FORM. WE JUST NEED FOUR. I CAN'T COUNT. MR. CHAIR, MAY WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTES BREAK? I NEED TO GO. MY PRESENTATION DID NOT APPLAUD. YES MA'AM. SO CAN I, WHILE THEY'RE DISCUSSING, WE WILL TAKE A 10 MINUTE RECESS AND MR. PUGH WILL RECONVENE AT, AT 6:39 PM GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. IT'S 6 39. WE ARE BACK IN SESSION. UH, THE CITY'S ATTORNEY HAS A, HAS A STATEMENT HE'D LIKE TO READ TO ME FOR THE RECORD. YEAH. BASED ON CHAIRMAN STONE'S REPRESENTATION OF WHY HE BELIEVED HE WAS HAD A CONFLICT OF INTEREST, HE DOES NOT HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. JUST LIVING WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION ZONE OF A REZONING IS, IS NOT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. THANK YOU. AND I MEAN THAT WITH ALL SINCERITY. THE FINAL CASE OF THE EVENING. CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON A REQUEST TO AMEND RE TO AMEND PD ONE 11 TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF SF EIGHT WITH DEVIATIONS. THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 17.25 ACRES OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING TRACKED TO. AND THE JONAS BUSKIRK SURVEY ABSTRACT ONE 10 WITH ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE, ALSO KNOWN AS CASE NUMBER Z DASH 15 0 1 DASH 23. MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES. CASE NUMBER C 1 15 0 1 23 IS A PD AMENDMENT REQUEST TO PD WITH SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT AS THE BEST ZONING WITH DEVIATIONS. THE SITE IS 2 26 0.77 ACRES IN TOTAL AND IS CURRENTLY ZONED PD 1 1 1. THE PROPERTY IS ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WEST WINTERGREEN ROAD AND OLD RIDGE STREET TRAIL. IT IS ADDRESSED AS 5 0 1 AND 6 0 1 WEST WINTER GREEN ROAD. THIS IS THE SITE TO THE NORTH OF THIS SITE IS A SINGLE FAMILY 20, UH, IN THE PROPERTIES VACANT TO THE SOUTH IS SINGLE FAMILY 12 AND TWO TWO F SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITH SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, A CHURCH AND VACANT SPACE. VACANT PROPERTY TO THE E EAST IS PD 94 WITH SENIOR LIVING HOUSING AND TO THE WEST IS PD NINE WITH TOWN HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN [00:30:01] IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. ACCESS TO THIS SITE IS PROVIDED FROM WEST WINTER GREEN ROAD, A FOUR LANE ARTERIAL ROADWAY ON THE MASTER RAFFE PLAN. THE PROPERTIES, YES. ALSO ACCESS FROM WOODLAND HILL ROAD. IT IS UNPAVED, UH, BUT IT IS A LOCAL ROADWAY THAT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE MASTER RAFFE PLAN. CURRENTLY THE PD PD 11 WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN 2005 WITH SINGLE FAMILY 20 AS THE BEST ZONING. THE CURRENT APPLICATION IS A REQUEST TO AMEND PD ONE ONE TO PD ONE ONE WITH SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT AS THE BEST ZONING. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 80 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LAWS WITH TWO COMMON LAWS. THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS RANGE FROM 8,000 SQUARE FEET TO 17,744 SQUARE FEET. THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS WILL MEET ALL THE REQUIRED THE AREA REGULATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY AID WITH LARGER DWELLING UNITS THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR SINGLE FAMILY. EIGHT. SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT REQUIRES A MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT OF 1,550 SQUARE FEET AND THE PROPOSED PD AMENDMENT WILL HAVE A MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT OF 2,200 500 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS 950 SQUARE FEET MORE IN DWELLING UNIT SIZE. THEY REQUESTED DEVIATIONS. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING DEVIATION FROM SECTION 38.2 D, WHICH REQUIRES ALL GARAGE DRIVEWAY TO BE FROM AN ALLEY WITH NO GARAGE OPENING OR ENTRANCE FACING THE FRONT OF THE LOT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SUBDIVISION WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT FRONT OPENING GARAGES AND EARLY DEVIATION. STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR FRONT OPENING GARAGES, BUT STAFF SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO DEVIATE FROM EARLY REQUIREMENT WITH J SWING GARAGES. THIS IS THE PROPOSED, UM, CONCEPT PLAN NOTIFICATION FOR THIS ZONING ITEM WAS ON ON THE JULY 9TH, 2023 PUB. IT APPEARED IN THE DAILY FOCUS NEWSPAPER AND STAFF MAILED 96 NOTIFICATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SITE. NO LETTERS WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND THERE WAS ONE LETTER THAT WAS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL OF THE REQUEST TO AMEND PD 1 1 1 WITH JSU GARAGES AND ON NO FRONT LOADED GARAGES. AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU MS. RAZZI. ONE POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I BELIEVE WINTERGREEN AVENUE OR WINTER GREEN ROAD RATHER, WHICH RUNS JUST SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED PD. IT'S ACTUALLY TWO LANES IN THAT AREA. IT'S NOT FOUR LANES. IT'S ANTICIPATED. THIS IS WHAT IS ON THE FUTURE ON THE MASTER THERAPY PLAN. AH, IT'S ANTICIPATED TO BE FALLING. DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT WILL BE PLACED ON THE CITY'S CALENDAR FOR CONSTRUCTION? MR. BREWER MIGHT KNOW, BUT NOT TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. I KNOW ROADWAYS IS NOT YOUR PURVIEW, BUT JUST IF YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW YEAH. CHAIRMAN STONE AND MEMBERS RIGHT NOW, THAT IS NOT ON OUR CALENDAR FOR WIDENING. WE DO WORK WITH DALLAS COUNTY FOR MASTER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS, UH, PROJECTS RIGHT NOW. WHAT, WHO, WHAT'S ON OUR AGENDA IS DANIELDALE ROAD. WESTMORELAND ROAD, PARKVILLE ROAD. AND THEN A PROJECT THAT CITY'S TAKEN UPON ITSELF AS A HUNDRED PERCENT IS HAMPTON ROAD. AND SO WITH ALL THESE MAJOR PROJECTS, IT WAS PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD LITTLE WHILE BEFORE THE CITY UNDERTAKES, UH, ANYTHING THERE FOR WINTERGREEN. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING TOWARDS. UM, THE CONCERN FOR ME WILL BE TRAFFIC CONGESTION. WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY 80 UNITS AND WINTER GREEN ROAD. THERE IS A TWO LANE ROAD. SO I USED TO LIVE LITERALLY A STONE'S THROW ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS. I'M QUITE FAMILIAR AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IN THE EVENING AND IN THE MORNING TIME, THERE'S A BACKUP AT THE STOP SIGN INTERSECTION OF WESTMORELAND AND WINTERGREEN. THERE MIGHT BE LITERALLY 45 CARS BACKED UP FROM THAT INTERSECTION HEADING EAST ON WINTERGREEN. AND ALSO IN THE MORNING THERE'S A STOPLIGHT AT WINTERGREEN AND HAMPTON, WHICH ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE ISSUE, BUT THERE'S STILL A BIT OF A BACKUP. SOMETIMES 30 CARS SIT THERE, ESPECIALLY WITH SCHOOL BUSES COMING IN AND OUT OF THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES. SO CONCERN FOR ME, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LIVE THERE, AND I KNOW CONCERN FOR OTHER RESIDENTS WOULD BE HOW WAS THE DEVELOPER PLANNING ON MITIGATING THE TRAFFIC OF LET'S JUST GUESSTIMATE [00:35:01] 150 ADDITIONAL VEHICLES IN THE MORNING AT RUSH HOUR AND IN THE EVENING AT RUSH HOUR? AGAIN, THIS ISN'T A QUESTION FOR YOU. THIS DEFINITELY WOULD BE DIRECTED TOWARDS THE DEVELOPER IN THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THAT WOULD BE MY QUESTION. YES, SIR. SO I'M GONNA OPEN THE FLOOR FOR OTHER COMMISSIONERS TO CHIME IN AS THEY SEE FIT. GO AHEAD MA'AM. GO RIGHT AHEAD MA'AM. BUT IF I CAN COMMENT ON THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, UM, WHILE THE, UM, APPLICANT HAS NOT SUBMITTED ANYTHING TRAFFIC RELATED TO THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, THEY, UM, HOWEVER, GOING TO DO SOMETHING BEFORE THIS CASE BECAUSE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL THEY HAVE SAID THEY WILL DO THE STUDIES, TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR BY THE TIME THIS CASE GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. AND ANYWAY, YOU WILL HEAR THE DETAILS FROM THE APPLICANT AND THEN CORRECT TERMINOLOGY TO BE TRIP GENERATION VERSUS SEE THAT WARRANTS A A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY ANALYSIS. ALL RIGHT AHEAD MS. BROOKS. YEAH, I, I SHARE THOSE CONCERNS WITH OUR CHAIR. UM, AND MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT BEFORE SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE COME TO THE COMMISSION, THAT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS, IS DONE SO THAT WE UNDERST WE BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE POTENTIAL, UM, ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE AND WHAT THE PROPOSED MITIGATION IS GOING TO BE, SO THAT BEFORE WE APPROVE SOMETHING, WE KNOW WHAT THEIR MITIGATION STRATEGY IS GOING TO BE, DEAL WITH THAT ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CONGESTION. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? COMMENT AND A QUESTION? GO AHEAD. SAY I'M ALONG THE SAME LINES AS OUR CHAIR AND COMMISSIONER BROOKS. AND, BUT THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND YOUR SUGGESTION THAT WE MAKE, UM, APPROVAL BASED ON JAYS SWING, BUT I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND WAS THE DEVELOPER WANTING FRONT ENTRANCE GARAGES OR ARE THEY SAYING THEY WANT TO HAVE NO ALLEY GARAGES WITH J SWINGS? OR IS THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATION? THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE ALLEYS OF COURSE, AND THEY WANT TO HAVE FRONT LOADED GARAGES. SO STAFF IS SAYING THAT, UH, BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL PD WAS, UH, IT SAID NO, NO ALLEYS, BUT NO FRONT LOADED GARAGES. SO THAT'S WHAT, UM, STAFF IS ECHOING TO SAY SWING. I MEAN J SWING GARAGES ARE A BETTER OPTION RATHER THAN TO HAVE FRONT LOADED GARAGES FOR AESTHETIC REASONS. SO DO WE KNOW IF THEY'RE IN AGREEMENT WITH J SWING ROGERS? NOT THAT WHICH WE KNOW OF, BUT SINCE THE APPLICANT IS HERE, YOU CAN ASK THEM. CHAIRMAN STONE ALSO, UM, COMMISSIONERS ALSO NOTE, UH, AT THE PRESENT TIME THE DEVELOPER AS INFORMED TO US, DOES NOT HAVE A BUILDER. UM, WE CAN ADDRESS THAT QUESTION ALSO. DOES HE HAVE A BUILDER SINCE THE LAST TIME WE TALKED? BUT AT THIS POINT HE DID NOT HAVE A BUILDER. LET ME ALSO BRING TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE, WHEN YOU HAVE A PD REQUEST LIKE THIS, YOU DO HAVE, UH, THE THE ROOM TO REQUEST THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO SEE BECAUSE OF COURSE THE DEVELOPER IS COMING TO ASK THE CITY FOR SOMETHING. IT'S A WIN-WIN SITUATION. YOU GIVE AND TAKE. SO YOU HAVE A LEEWAY AND ROOM TO BE ABLE TO ASK CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU MAY WANT. OF COURSE THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ALLOWED BY, BY THE CITY AS WELL AS STATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. LIKE WE CANNOT REALLY ASK THE APPLICANT FOR MATERIALS AND STUFF, BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN SAY WE WANT TO SEE THIS, WE WANT TO SEE THAT IT'S YOU HAVE THAT DISCRETION. BEST WILL YOU USE YOUR POINTER AND SHOW THE TWO ENTRANCES, ONLY TWO ENTRANCES AND THEN IDENTIFY THE UM, THAT GRAY STRIP ON THE TOP. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE IT CLARITY THAT IS A DEDICATED RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT IS NOT PAVED. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT PARCEL. AND PEOPLE HOLD TRAIL RIDES IN THAT VACANT LOT JUST NORTH OF THERE. MM-HMM . AND IT'S BARELY WIDE ENOUGH FOR A REGULAR VEHICLE. VERY FAMILIAR. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? MR. GILSTRAP? MR. CHAIR? UH, I'VE LOOKED AT THE PLAN. I DON'T SEE ANY GREEN SPACE. WE WE DO HAVE THE GREEN SPACE RIGHT HERE, RIGHT WHERE? ON THE WAY, ON THE WEST SIDE. OH YES. AND ALSO THERE IS, THEY ARE ARE PROPOSING A DETENTION POINT THAT CAN BE AMENITIZED AS WELL AS LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT OPEN SPACES, AMENITIES CAN BE PUT IN HERE SO THAT THAT WAY IT'S NOT JUST A, A TRAIL NOR WAY TO SIT OR SOME, LIKE I SAID AGAIN, WE [00:40:01] HAVE ROOM TO ASK COMMISSIONER TREP. LET, LET ME SAY, UM, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE JUST WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL LAST MONDAY, I BELIEVE, AND WE HAD TO DO A POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. IT WAS A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HEARD IS THE, THE COUNCIL IS AND THE PNC WHO WAS THERE, THEY'RE WANTING AMENITIES, NOT JUST VACANT LAND, IF IT MEANS A TRAIL, LET'S ADD SOME BENCHES, SOME TREES AND SOME PHYSICAL THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, WE EVEN WAS DISCUSSION WAS HELD WELL IF IT'S A RETENTION OR DETENTION POND, WHILE THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE ANY REGULATION THAT MANDATES ONE O OVER THE OTHER, COULD IT BE A WET POND WITH SOME TYPE OF POND FEATURE? WITH SOME TYPE OF FOUNTAIN FEATURE? BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THOSE DETAILS DISCUSSION. BUT UM, THE OPEN SPACE, UH, THEY'RE IDENTIFYING THREE IN THE CORNER, BUT THE THIRD ONE THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S NOT TRULY A LOT. THE ENTRANCE THAT YOU SEE WHERE SHE'S POINTING TO NOW, THAT'S A GRASS MEDIAN. SO THAT'S NOT A LOT THAT'S GONNA BE DESIGNATED AS A, UM, A GREEN SPACE AREA. SO THE ONLY TWO COMMON LAWS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING THAT WILL BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY THE HOA WOULD BE THAT RETENTION POND AREA AND THAT OPEN SPACE THERE, WHICH IS A DRAINAGE CHANNEL. SO IT'S TRULY UNDEVELOPABLE UNDEVELOPABLE AT THIS POINT. UH, BUT THEY ARE SHOWING A TRAIL. UH, WE DO UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW WITH UM, WINTER GREEN ROAD NOT BEING DEVELOPED WITH CURB AND GUTTER THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING A SIDEWALK IS GOING, GOING TO NOWHERE. IT IS STOPPING AT WINTER. GREEN IS NOT CONNECTING WITH ANYWHERE, BUT THAT'S A START. IF THAT IS WHAT'S UH, APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION IN THE CITY COUNCIL, WE DO REALIZE IT'S DEAD END. SO DON'T THINK WE OVERLOOKED THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING. 'CAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO TIE INTO. THERE'S NOT ANOTHER SIDEWALK, THERE'S NOT CURB, UH, RIGHT THERE. NOW IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT A, UH, SIDEWALK, THERE'S DRAINAGE SWELLS THAT'S GONNA BE ALONG THAT AREA. UH, MS. BROOKS, I'LL GIVE YOU THE FINAL WORK. ARE WE RUNNING LATE? I CAN WAIT. UH, DOES THE APPLICANT ALSO OWN THE PROPERTY NORTH OF WOODLAND HILLS AVENUE? NO. DID WE GET ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE APPLICANT, THE PROPERTY OWNER NORTH OF WOODLAND HILLS AVENUE? NO. THE ONLY, UM, NOTICE THAT, I MEAN, JUST ONE THAT, UH, THAT IS OPPOSING NOT NECESSARILY FROM THAT PROPERTY OWNER. CURRENTLY THESE TWO TRACKS ARE OWNED BY THE CHURCH. NEW NEWELL IS, IT'S A CHURCH. ONCE YOU START GOING NORTH AND YOU GET INTO THESE LONG SINGLE TRACKS, THEY'RE ALL INDIVIDUALLY OWNED. WE HAVE HAD SOME DRC MEETINGS WHERE SOME DEVELOPERS HAVE ATTEMPTED TO PROPOSE SOME DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, BUT THEY'VE HAD PROBLEMS, UH, REALIZING WE GOT LIMITATIONS ON CUL-DE-SACS, UH, AND JUST SOME OTHER LIMITATIONS. SO NOBODY'S COME BACK. THANK YOU MS. MAZI. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS. UM, MR. GILSTRAP, YOU'LL BE LEADING US IN THE PLEDGE OF PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE THIS EVENING? YES, SIR. ALRIGHT, MR. BREWER, MS. MAZI, ANY FURTHER BUSINESS WE NEED TO ADDRESS DURING THIS WORK SESSION? I DON'T BELIEVE MR. BREWER'S GONNA TELL ME YES, I'M SORRY. OH, ANY, FORGIVE ME. ANY FURTHER BUSINESS WE NEED TO ADDRESS? NO SIR. I APOLOGIZE. NO, SIR. ALRIGHT, WE'LL CALL THIS [B. ADJOURN WORK SESSION] WORK SESSION CLOSED AT 6:54 PM WE'LL RECONVENE AT SEVEN. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THE TIME [C. REGULAR MEETING AGENDA Call to Order Pledge of Allegiance] IS 7:00 PM PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COMMISSIONER PRESTON GILSTRAP. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. PLEASE BE SEATED. GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. UH, THE 7:00 PM WE'RE OFFICIALLY CALLING THE CITY OF DESOTO PLANNING AND ZONING REGULAR MEETING OPEN. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. WE'RE DOING SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT NEW THIS EVENING. WE HAVE SOMETHING ON OUR AGENDA WE HAVEN'T PREVIOUSLY DONE. WE HAVE CITIZEN APPEARANCES. SOMETIMES WE HAVE CASES, UM, ON OUR AGENDA THAT ARE PUBLIC HEARINGS, WHICH GIVE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE TO EITHER COME AND SPEAK IN PERSON OR LEAVE A WRITTEN NOTE TO BE READ INTO THE RECORD. HOWEVER, THE CITIZEN APPEARANCES GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT ANY ZONING ISSUE THAT'S FORTHCOMING ON THE AGENDA [00:45:01] OR SOMETHING THAT MAY BE NEED TO BE BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION, WHETHER THAT BE PLANNING AND ZONING OR THE CITY COUNCIL. SO BEFORE WE GET DOWN INTO THE BUSINESS OF VOTING AND READING THROUGH DEVELOPERS SPILLS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE MICROPHONE UP TO CITY APPEARANCES. SO WE WILL GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IF IT'S A CASE THAT'S ALREADY ON THE AGENDA, WE'RE GONNA ASK THAT YOU RESERVE COMMENTS TO THE PUBLIC HEARING OF THAT, OF THAT PARTICULAR CASE. HOWEVER, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS BODY ABOUT, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROACH THE LECTERN AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. SO AGAIN, I'M GONNA ASK YOU IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ABOUT A CASE ON THE AGENDA, AND WE HAVE THREE CASES ON THE AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. I'LL ASK THAT YOU RESERVE YOUR COMMENTS DURING THAT CASE'S PUBLIC HEARING TIME, BUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE TO GET OFF YOUR CHEST OR JUST STATE ON THE RECORD, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY. HEARING AND SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN APPEARANCES AT 7:03 PM THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT [E. CONSENT AGENDA Any item may be withdrawn from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Approval of the Consent Agenda authorizes the approval of each item in accordance with Staff Recommendations.] ITEM OF GEN, UH, BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, WHICH WAS JUNE THE 28TH. UH, WE, WE COVERED A COUPLE OF ITEMS IN THE WORK SESSION. UH, QUICK SUMMARY. THERE WAS SOME MISSING AUDIO AND VIDEO FOOTAGE. WE HAD A BRIEF RECAP OF THE COMMENTS AND THE VOTE OF OUR PREVIOUS MEETING. IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE MEETING MINUTES AS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED HEARING AND SAYING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION. SO MOVED. MR. CHAIR MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM COMMISSIONER GILSTRAP. UH, POINT OF ORDER POINT, POINT OF ORDER. MR. CHAIR, FOR THIS PARTICULAR ONE, I THINK WE NEED TO BE SPECIFIC, UH, PURSUANT TO STAFF'S REQUEST, WE NEED A MOTION TO TABLE THE MINUTES UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING SO THEY CAN BE REVISED. SO THAT WAS PER STAFF'S REQUEST. THANK YOU MR. PUGH. I DID HEAR THAT AND I DID COMPLETELY IGNORE STAFF'S REQUEST. SO YES, UH, STAFF DID HAVE THE MEETING MINUTES TYPED AND READY TO PRESENT. HOWEVER, WE ARE GOING TO TABLE THIS UNTIL OUR AUGUST THE 22ND MEETING. SO THE STAFF HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE AUDIO AND MAKE SURE THEY HAVE OUR COMMENTS INCORPORATED FROM OUR WORK SESSION AND THEN INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE MEETING MINUTES TO BE PRESENTED IN THE AUGUST THE 22ND MEETING. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD AND MR. PI CUT YOU OFF? NO, JUST, NO, JUST FOR POINT OF CLARITY. OKAY. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THE MINUTES FROM TUESDAY, JAN JUNE 27TH, 2023. AND YES. AND THEN WE'LL REVISIT THIS. WHAT'S THE EXACT DATE OF OUR, UM, NEXT MEETING, MR. BREW? 22ND. AUGUST 22ND, 22ND OR SEVENTH SECOND. OKAY. AND SO, UH, WE'RE GOING TO BASICALLY TABLE IT UNTIL AUGUST 22ND. SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE, UH, COMMISSIONER GILSTRAP, UH, START THE MOTION. SO I WOULD JUST ASK, UH, COMMISSIONER, WOULD YOU CONSIDER AMENDING YOUR MOTION TO ACCOMMODATE STAFF'S REQUEST? I SUBMIT TO THE CHAIR. TURN YOUR MICROPHONE ON FOR ME, MR. GILSTRAP. I SUBMIT TO THE CHAIR ON THE RESCINDING OF MY MOTION. THANK YOU MR. GILSTRAP. THANK YOU MR. PUGH FOR KEEPING US ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW. JUST TO CLARIFY, THE PREVIOUS MEETING WAS JUNE THE 27TH, NOT THE 28TH, AND WE RESCINDED OUR PREVIOUS MOTION. WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE JUNE THE 27TH MEETING UNTIL OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING AT AUGUST THE 22ND FOR STAFF TO MAKE THE REQUESTED CHANGES. AND MR. CHAIR, YOU'VE ALREADY STATED IT AND SO WITH THE MOTION BEING RESCINDED, THAT WOULD BE MY NEW MOTION. WHAT THE CHAIR HAS JUST STATED THAT WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THE JUNE 27TH, UH, READING OF THOSE MINUTES UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING ON AUGUST 22ND. SO THAT IS THE NEW MOTION ON THE FLOOR. MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM MR. PUGH. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. MR. CHAIR SECONDED BY MR. GILSTRAP. ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLE THE MEETING MINUTES AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, PLEASE SAY AYE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. AYE. AYE MEASURE HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. WE HAVE THREE [1. Continue the Public Hearing from June 27, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting and consider making a recommendation to the City Council on an applicant's request to rezone a 10.29-acre tract of land legally described as being Lots 1A, 1B, 2 and 3 in the Four Acres Addition and generally located at the southwest corner of W. Belt Line Road and S. Elerson Road (100 S. Elerson Rd., 1112 W. Belt Line Road, 1116 W. Belt Line Road) from existing General Retail (GR) to Planned Development (PD) with base zonings of General Retail (GR) and Single-Family Attached (SFA) Residential with deviations in order to allow Single Family Attached Residential (Townhomes) and Retail development. The applicant is Daake Law, LLC and the property owner is DeSoto MBM2, LLC. (Case No. Z-1494-23).] PUBLIC HEARINGS ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING. THE FIRST OF THOSE HEARINGS IS TO CONTINUE A PUBLIC HEARING FROM THE JUNE THE 27TH, 2023 PLANNING A ZONING MEETING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON A APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REZONE A 10.29 ACRE TRACT OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LOTS ONE A, ONE B TWO, AND THREE IN THE FOUR ACRES EDITION AND GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE SOUTH WEST CORNER OF WEST BELT LINE ROAD, THEN SOUTH ELLERSON ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS 100 SOUTH ELLISON ROAD. 1112 WEST BELTLINE [00:50:01] ROAD. 1116 WEST BELTLINE ROAD FROM AN EXISTING ZONING OF GENERAL RETAIL TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH BASE ZONINGS OF GENERAL RETAIL AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL WITH DEVIATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL, ALSO KNOWN AS TOWN HOMES AND RETAIL DEVELOPMENT. THE APPLICANT IS DK LAW LLC AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS DESOTO, MBM TWO LLC, CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1494 DASH 23. MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS, UH, PLANNING AND ZONING MANAGER, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTED THAT THIS ITEM BE TABLED AND STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE COMMISSION ACCEPT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO TABLE CASE NUMBER Z 14 94 23 TO THE AUGUST 22ND, 2023 MEETING AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE. WELL, MS. MUNI, THAT'S A REALLY ANTI-CLIMATIC. WE WERE ALREADY TO GET INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES. OKAY, . UM, DO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? OKAY, DO WE HAVE A, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING? OKAY. UM, I'M GOING TO DIRECT THE STAFF TO MAKE ENSURE THAT IN OUR NEXT MEETING ON AUGUST THE 22ND, WE HAVE AMPLE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM. I UNDERSTAND WE'RE IN SUMMER SESSION. SOMETIMES THESE MEETINGS CAN BE PACKED WITH SEVERAL CASES. IF THERE IS A CASE THAT IS NOT, UM, UP AGAINST THE CLOCK, SO TO SPEAK, IF THAT MAY BE PUSHED TO A FURTHER DATE SO THAT WE HAVE TIME TO, UM, ADDRESS THE CONCERNS WITH CASE Z DASH 1494 DASH 23. WITH THAT SAID, DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION? YES, GO RIGHT AHEAD MS. BROOKS, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL OUR NEXT MEETING SCHEDULED FOR AUGUST 22ND, 2023 WITH MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM MS. BROOKS. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. CHAIR SECONDED BY MR. GILSTRAP. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE AYE. AYE THE MEASURE HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU ALL. THE SECOND [2. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council a Planned Development-105 (PD-105) amendment to add a medical clinic in the existing Walmart Store. The property is legally described as being Lot 1A, Block A, Walmart Heath Creek Addition. The property consists of 37.197 acres of land and is addressed as 951 W. Beltline Road. The applicant is Bohler Engineering and the property owner is Walmart Real Estate Business Trust. (Case Z-1502-23).] CASE OF THE EVENING, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL A PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD 1 0 5 AMENDMENT TO ADD A MEDICAL CLINIC IN THE EXISTING WALMART STORE. THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LOT ONE A BLOCK, A WALMART HEATH PRECONDITION. THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF 37.197 ACRES OF LAND AND IS ADDRESSED AS 9 51 WEST BELTLINE ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS BOULDERER ENGINEERING AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WALMART REAL ESTATE BUSINESS TRUST. THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z DASH 52 DASH 23. MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES. CASE NUMBER Z 1502 23 IS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT REQUEST TO AID A MEDICAL CLINIC WITHIN THE EXISTING WALMART STORE. THE SITE IS 37.197 ACRES AND IS CURRENTLY SOLD PD 1 0 5. THE PROPERTY PROPERTY'S ON THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF NORTH EDISON ROAD AND WEST OF BELTLINE ROAD. IT IS ADDRESSED AS 9 51 WEST BELTLINE ROAD. THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE WALMART STORE TO THE NORTH. THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED PD 93 AND THEY HOMES AND TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY AID RE AND THEIR ARE RESIDENCIES TO THE EASTERN, UM, RESIDENCIES THAT ARE ZONED PD 97 AND TO THE WEST. THERE ARE RESIDENCIES THAT ARE ZONED SF 10. THE FUTURE END USE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE SITE IS OFFICE SLASH RETAIL. THE PROPOSED CLINIC IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. ACCESS TO THIS SITE IS PROVIDED FROM NORTH ELLISON ROAD, A LOCAL ROADWAY THAT IS SHOWN ON THE MASTER THERAPY PLAN. THE PROPERTIES ALSO ACCESSED FROM WEST BELT LINE ROAD, A SIX LANE ARTERIAL ROADWAY ON THE MASTER TRAFFIC PLAN. IN TERMS OF HISTORY, THIS PD WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN 2004 WITH GENERAL RITUALS, THE BEST ZONING. HOWEVER, THERE HAS BEEN MULTIPLE AMENDMENTS THROUGH PD 1 0 5 SINCE 2004 AND OVER THE YEARS WITH ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT AROUND THIS LOCATION, THE CURRENT REQUEST IS TO AMEND PD 1 0 5 TO EIGHT A MEDICAL CLINIC INTO THE EXISTING WALMART. THE SITE SHOWS THE SITE PLAN SHOWS WHERE THE CLINIC WILL BE LOCATED AND THE PARKING SPACE RE RE STRIPING [00:55:01] ELEVATION PLANS SHOW THE CHANGES THAT THAT WILL BE MADE TO THE STORE STORE'S FACADE. THIS IS THE SITE PLAN WHICH SHOWS WHERE THE CLINIC WILL BE, WHICH WILL BE RIGHT HERE. AND THE PARKING RE STRIPING WILL BE RIGHT HERE. THIS IS THE THE FACADE PLAN. THIS IS THE, THE, THE CLINIC. BUT IT'LL BE LOCATED RIGHT HERE JUST ON THE WEST SIDE. IT'S GONNA TAKE THE PORTION FROM THE, UH, GARDEN AREA. SO IT'LL BE LOCATED RIGHT HERE WITH ITS OWN SEPARATE ENTRY. THIS IS THE PROPOSED FLOOR PLAN FOR THE CLINIC. AND IN TERMS OF PUBLIC NOTIFICATION ON JULY 9TH, 2023, A PUBLIC HEARING APPEARED IN THE DAILY FOCUS. NEWSPAPER AND STAFF MAILED 137 NOTIFICATION NOTIFICATIONS TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SITE. ONE LETTER WAS RECEIVED IN FAVOR WITH NO LETTERS RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. AND THIS MAP ON THE RIGHT SHOWS, THE BLACK AREA IS THE PROPERTY. THE WALMART PROPERTY IN THE BLUE AREA IS THE, UH, 200 FEET NOTIFICATION AREA AND THE PAPER IS THE 400 FEET NOTIFICATION AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE REQUEST TO AMEND PD 1 0 5 TO ALLOW FOR A CLINIC IS SUBMITTED AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU MS. RAZZI. SO I'M GONNA REPEAT MY SAME QUESTION FROM THE WORK SESSION. OUTSIDE OF CHANGES IN THE FACADE IE THE SIGNAGE AND THE ADDITIONAL ENTRY, ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE BUILDING'S ENVELOPE OR FOOTPRINT? NO, THERE'S NO, THERE ARE NO OTHER CHANGES. OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? I THINK, I THINK, I THINK, UM, MR. RENO HAD AN EXCELLENT POINT EARLIER. JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE IS PARKING LOT RES STRIPING, BUT, UM, WALMART AS, OR THE, THE PD AS IS HAS MORE THAN THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF PARKING? YES. SO STAFF DOES NOT FORESEE ANY PARKING CHALLENGES? NO. OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? OKAY. THANK YOU MS. RAZZI. UM, AS PER THE NORM, THIS IS PUBLIC HEARING SO MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FILL OUT A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD. YOU CAN FIND THEM IN THE REAR OF THE ROOM AND IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THE RECORD OR JUST HAVE YOUR VOTE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION HEARD FOR THE RECORD, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. WE'LL OPEN THIS PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:14 PM DON'T ALL RUSH IN THE MICROPHONE AT ONCE. . ALRIGHT, HEARING AND SCENE NONE. UH, FINAL CALL FOR COMMENTS ON CASE Z DASH 1 5 0 2 DASH 23, THE MEDICAL CLINIC IN THE EXISTING WALMART. UH, SIR MA'AM, IF YOU PLAN TO COMMENT ON THIS CASE, PLEASE GIVE ME ACKNOWLEDGEMENT. OKAY? GOT IT. WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:15 PM FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE ON THE MATTER HEARING AND SCENE? NONE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. UH, MR. CHAIR? YES SIR. AS IT RELATES TO CASE Z 1 15 0 2 2 3, I UM, WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE RECOMMENDED AMENDMENT TO ADD A MEDICAL CLINIC IN THE EXISTING WALMART STORE. THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FOR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. SECONDED BY MS. BROOKS. ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE AYE. AYE MEASURE HAS PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. FINAL CASE [3. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council on a request to amend Planned Development-111 (PD-111) to Planned Development with base zoning district of SF-8 with deviations. The properties consist of approximately 17.25 acres of land legally described as being Tract 2 in the Jonas Buskirk Survey, Abstract 110 Page 775 (501 W. Wintergreen Road) and 9.52 acres of land legally described as being Tract 2.1 in the Jonas Buskirk Survey, Abstract 110 Page 775 (601 W. Wintergreen Road). The applicant is Dietz Engineering and the owner is Nueva Vida Life Assembly. (Case No. Z-1501-23).] OF THE EVENING, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON A REQUEST TO AMEND PLAN, AMEND, EXCUSE ME. PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD ONE 11 TO PLAN, DEVELOP TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH BASE ZONING DISTRICT OF SF EIGHT WITH DEVIATIONS THAT IS SINGLE FAMILY. EIGHT. THE PROPERTY CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 17.25 ACRES OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING TRACK TWO IN THE JONAS BUSTER SURVEY, ABSTRACT 110, PAGE 7 7 5, ALSO KNOWN AS 5 0 1 WEST WINTERGREEN ROAD AND 9.2 9.52 ACRES OF LAND LEGALLY DE LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING TRACKED. 2.1 IN THE JONAS BUSKER SURVEY ABSTRACT ONE 10, PAGE 7 7 5. ALSO KNOWN AS 6 0 1 WEST WINTER GREEN ROAD. THE APPLICANT IS DEETS ENGINEERING AND THE OWNER IS NUEVA VIDA. LIFE ASSEMBLY CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1 5 0 1 DASH TWO THREE. MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT MS. ZA? YES. CASE NUMBER [01:00:01] Z 15 0 1 23 IS A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AMENDMENT REQUEST TO A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT AS THE BEST ZONING WITH DEVIATIONS. THE SITE IS 26.77 ACRES IN TOTAL AND IS CURRENTLY ZONE PD 1 1 1. THE PROPERTY'S ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF WINTER GREEN ROAD AND OLD RY TRAIL. IT IS ADDRESSED AS 5 0 1 AND 6 0 1 WEST WINTER GREEN ROAD. THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SITE TO THE NORTH. WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY 20 AND THE PROPERTIES VACANT TO THE SOUTH. WE HAVE, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TWO FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS A CHURCH AND VACANT PROPERTIES THEY HAVE, THEY ARE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY 12 AND UM, TWO F. WE ALSO HAVE, UM, PD 94 TO THE EAST WITH SENIOR HOUSING TO THE WEST. WE HAVE PD NINE WITH TOWN HOMES AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THEY PROPOSED THE RESIDENTIAL USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE SITE IS THE ACCESS TO THE SITE IS PROVIDED FROM WEST WINTER GREEN ROAD, A FOUR, AN ANTICIPATED FOUR LANE ARTERIAL ROADWAY ON THE MASTER THERAPY PLAN. THE PROPERTY HAS ACCESS FROM WOODLAND HILL ROAD, WHICH IS CURRENTLY UN UNPAVED, A LOCAL ROADWAY THAT IS NOT SHOWN ON THE MASTER THERAPY PLAN. THE CURRENT REQUEST IS TO AMEND PD ONE ONE, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY CREATED IN 2005 WITH SINGLE FAMILY 20 AS THE BEST ZONING. THE CURRENT REQUEST IS TO AMEND PD ONE ONE TO PD ONE ONE WITH SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT AS THE BEST ZONING. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 80 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LAWS WITH TWO COMMON LOTS. THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS RANGE FROM 8,000 SQUARE FEET TO 17,744 SQUARE FEET. THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS WILL MEET ALL THE AREA REGULATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT WITH LARGER DWELLING UNITS THAN IS REQUIRED IN A SINGLE FAMILY. EIGHT SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT REQUIRES A MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT OF 1,550 SQUARE FEET AND THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WILL HAVE A MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS 900 FA 950 SQUARE FEET MORE IN DWELLING UNIT SIZE. THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING DEVIATION FROM SECTION 38.2 POINT D, WHICH REQUIRES ALL GARAGE DRIVEWAY TO BE FROM AN ALLEY WITH NO GARAGE OPENING, ENT OR ENTRANCE FACING THE FRONT OF THE LOT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A SUBDIVISION WITH A HUNDRED PERCENT FRONT OPENING GARAGE GARAGES AND EARLY DEVIATION. STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR FRONT OPENING GARAGES. HOWEVER, STAFF IS SUPPORTING THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO DEVIATE FROM ARI REQUIREMENT BUT USING A J THREE GARAGES. THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONCEPT PLAN AND ON JULY 9, 2 20 23, A PUBLIC HEARING APPEARED IN THE DAILY FOCUS. NEWSPAPER AND STAFF MAILED 96 NOTIFICATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SITE. NO LETTERS WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR WITH ONE LETTER RECEIVED IN OPPOSITION. THIS BLACK AREA ON THIS MAP IS THE AREA THAT IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE, UH, SUBDIVISION, UM, WITH, UM, THE AMENDMENT FROM PD 1 1 1 TO PD ONE ONE WITH A BASIN ZONING OF UH, SINGLE FAMILY AID. AND THE EARLIER AREA IN BLUE IS THE 200 200 FEET NOTIFICATION AREA. AND THEN THE PAPER ONE IS THE 400 NOTIFICATION AREA. STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE REQUEST TO AMEND PD 1 1 1 WITH J SWING GARAGES AND NO FRONTED FRONT LOADED GARAGES FOR CASE NUMBER Z 1 15 0 1 23. AND THIS IS THE END OF STAFF, UM, PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE AND THE APPLICANT IS ALSO AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU MS. RAZZI. THOROUGH AS ALWAYS. UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS AND I'LL BE BRIEF AND I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS. [01:05:01] APPROXIMATELY 80 UNITS SPREAD OVER 27 ACRES. YES. WHAT DOES THE CITY QUANTIFY AS LOW DENSITY HOUSING? SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED HOUSING. OKAY. UM, HOW MANY UNITS PER ACRE? ANYTHING FROM EIGHT, UH, 8,000 SQUARE FEET TO UM, UM, YEAH, ANYTHING FROM EIGHT. IT BEGINS AT 8,000 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS OUR LOWEST, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. NO, BUT UM, THE QUESTION WAS HOW DOES THE CITY QUANTIFY LOW DENSITY? IS IT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, OF UNITS PER ACRE? NO, IT'S BOTH DESIGNATED AS, AND THIS IS FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN. MM-HMM. BOTH. IT'S IDENTIFIED AS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND I THINK THE INFORMATION THAT SHE JUST GAVE AS FAR AS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE LOT. OKAY. SO MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF ROUGHLY 8,000 SQUARE FEET. YES. SO, SO HERE WE DON'T HAVE LIKE A, THE NUMBER OF UNITS PER ACRE IS JUST THE SIZE, WHICH IS DETERMINED BY THE LOT WIDTH. AND IT JUST, JUST SAYS WE HAVE THE MINIMUM REQUIRED LOAD SIZE. GOT IT. SO IT'S BASED UPON LOT WIDTH, NOT NECESS. YES. NOT WIDTH, BUT LOT SQUARE FOOTAGE AREA. YES. YES. NOT NECESSARILY WIDTH OF DEPTH. SO THEN SECOND THING, AND THEN I'LL GIVE A MILE WITHIN DEPTH IS ALSO REQUIRED THE, EVERY, EVERY, UM, SINGLE FAMILY. UM, SO DISTRICT IS A LOT WITH LOT LENGTH, LOT, UM, DEPTH. 'CAUSE UH, THAT BRINGS ME TO THE DEVIATIONS. MM-HMM. , I'M NOT GONNA READ THROUGH ALL, I'M GONNA READ THROUGH ALL, I'LL MAKE IT BRIEF. UM, THEY WANNA GO FROM SF 20 TO SFA. YES. BUT THEN THEY'RE REQUIRING SOME DEVIATIONS ON SSFA REQUESTING A 70 FOOT WIDE LOT MINIMUM IN LIEU OF 110 FOOT WIDE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY PRETTY DARN BIG FOR SFA, UM, MINIMUM SIDE YARD OF SEVEN FEET INSTEAD OF 15 FEET. UM, REQUESTING 15 FOOT Y SIDE YARDS ON CORNER LOTS INSTEAD OF 20 FOOT LOTS, 20 FEET, EXCUSE ME. UH, REQUEST A MINIMUM 10 FOOT YARD TO MAINTAIN, UH, BUILDING FOR CURRENT 15 FOOT REAR YARD, REQUESTING ACTUALLY TO GO UP IN SIZE, UH, MINIMUM OF 2000 SQUARE FEET FROM ACTUALLY GOING DOWN, REQUESTING A MINIMUM OF 2000 SQUARE FEET IN LIEU OF THE 2,500 SQUARE FEET. AND THEN FINALLY THE FRONT ENTRY GARAGES. SO, SO IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, THE, UH, THE, WHAT THEY ARE REQUIRE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SUNNING STREET FOR SF SF EIGHT MM-HMM. THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS. UH, ALSO, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, UH, HAVING A LARGER, LIKE I NOTED IN MY PRESENTATION THAT, UH, THEY'RE DWELLING, DWELLING UNIT IS LARGER THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR SF EIGHT. SF EIGHT REQUIRES, UH, 1,550 SQUARE FEET FOR, FOR THE HOUSE ITSELF. BUT, UM, THE APPLICANT IS REALLY WANTS TO DO 202,500. SO, SO EVERYTHING ABOUT SF EIGHT, THEY ARE MEETING. SO EVEN IF THEY GO DOWN TO REQUEST A MINIMUM OF 2000 SQUARE FOOT, UM, AREA, LIVING AREA FOR A HOUSE, THEY'RE STILL MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. IT'S ACTUALLY LARGER THAN WHAT IS REQUIRED IN SF EIGHT. GOT IT. THE ONLY THING THAT THEY ARE ABOVE REQUESTING DEVIATION IS THE EARLY THAT, UH, THEY'LL NOT PROVIDE IES AS WELL AS WANTING TO HAVE, UH, FRONT LOADED GARAGES. THOSE ARE THE WAIVERS BECAUSE THE REQUIREMENT ARE, LIKE I READ FROM THE SECTION THAT I READ THAT IT SUPPOSED TO BE, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE, HAVE ANY FRONT LOADED GARAGES AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE ALICE. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO DEVIATIONS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. I'LL OPEN UP THE FLOOR TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS FOR QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF. MR. GIL. MR. MR. GILSTRAP, GO RIGHT AHEAD. WHERE ARE THE GREEN AREAS AND, AND LIST SOME OF THE AMENITIES THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS PROB WITH THIS PROPOSAL? SO THE GREEN AREA IS THE, THIS AREA THAT IS PROVIDED ON THE WEST SIDE THAT IS, UH, THE OPEN SPACE AREA THAT THEY ARE, THEY ARE PROPOSING WITH A TRAIL. THERE'S ALSO THIS DETENTION POND, WHICH THEY ARE PROPOSING RIGHT HERE. AND THERE'S JUST AN, THIS ONE IS, I WOULDN'T CALL IT AN OPEN SPACE BECAUSE IT'S JUST A, UM, WITHIN THE, UH, RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS RIGHT HERE. SO THEY'RE JUST PROPOSING TWO OPEN SPACE, ONE OF WHICH, ONE OF WHICH IS, UM, DETENTION POND. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE SO FAR. THEY HAVE NOT TOLD US WHAT KIND OF AMENITIES, IF ANY. THEY HAVE NOT REALLY TOLD US WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. [01:10:01] SO THAT AREA IN THE CENTER, THAT RIGHT THERE, THAT'S A DETENTION POND? YES. OR ATTENTION POND. YES. AND THEY OWN THIS PROPERTY? IT'S GREEN OUT HERE? YES. AND WHAT IS THAT? JUST OPEN LAND? IT, IT IS, UM, IT IS A, A CREEK, SO IT IS NOT REALLY DEVELOPABLE. IT'S, IT IS A CREEK, RIGHT? YES, THERE IS A CREEK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? MR. NEL? GO RIGHT AHEAD. AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T ASK YOU ALL THIS QUESTION. IN THE WORK SESSION, THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE WEST OF THIS IS THAT CLUB PARK, AND I WANT TO KNOW, I KNOW CLUB PARK HAS LARGE HOMES AND VERY SMALL LOTS. I WANTED TO KNOW HOW THIS, HOW CLUB PARK WOULD COMPARE TO WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DEVELOP HERE. DID YOU SAY TO THE EAST OR THING YOU SAY TO THE WEST? PARDON? TO THE WEST. TO THE WEST TO, OKAY. THE WEST SIDE IS WHERE, WHERE I SAID THEY HAVE CHILD, I BELIEVE TOWN HOMES AND, UH, SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, YES. PD NINE, WHICH IS TOWN HOMES. I MEAN, GO TO THE AREA AND BE ABLE TO, SOME OF THOSE HOMES ARE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. YES, THEY ARE. SINGLE FAMILY, I DO THINK. YES. AND THE, THE, UH, THE SETBACKS AND THINGS WITH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, ARE THEY COMPARABLE OR SIMILAR TO THE SETBACKS AND, UH, WITH THE, UM, FOR THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT? MM. I DIDN'T CHECK INTO THAT. I COULD LOOK, WELL, I COULD CHECK TO SEE WHETHER IT'S, BUT DEFINITELY THE HOUSES ARE GOING, UH, SMALLER THAN WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED. OKAY. MM-HMM. , ANY ADDITIONAL, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? THANK YOU, MS. RAZZI. UM, WE'LL TAKE THIS TIME TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT'S 7:29 PM IF THERE ARE ANY LADIES AND THE GENTLEMEN IN ANY AUDIENCE WHO WISH TO, IF YOU COULD BRING THAT UP HERE, MA'AM, OFF TO THE SIDE WHO WOULD WISH TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD? FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD AND YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPROACH THE ELECTOR AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES IF THE APPLICANT IS IN THE AUDIENCE, UH, AND THAT APPLICANT WOULD BE DEETS ENGINEERING. IF THEY'RE IN THE AUDIENCE, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO APPROACH THE LEC. YOU ARE NOT REQUIRED TO SPEAK HOWEVER, YOU MAY. GOOD EVENING, SIR. IF YOU COULD, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD? SURE. IT'S ROGER GATES AND OUR OFFICE IS IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS. OFFICES IS IN MCKINNEY, TEXAS. KATIE, TEXAS, MCKINNEY. MCKINNEY, CAN YOU PLEASE LIFT UP THE MICROPHONE, SIR? YES, SIR. PERFECT. ANY BETTER? SORRY, YOU GOTTA LISTEN TO THAT. UM, YOU NEED ANY OTHER INFORMATION OR ADDRESS OR ANYTHING OR NO. IF THERE'S INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO FILL IN NO, OUTSIDE OF THE STAFF'S PRESENTATION, THIS SHOULD YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO. NO, WE'RE, UH, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. UH, I'M, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER BUILDER, YOUNG LADY OVER THERE IS, BUT I, I DO HAVE A BUNCH OF BUILDER DEVELOPER FRIENDS. AND THE ONLY DEVIATIONS WE HAVE, WERE WE IN AGREEMENT WITH ALL WITH THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATIONS. NO PROBLEMS. THE ONLY ISSUES THAT WE WOULD HAVE WAS THE CHASE WING AND THAT OUR ISSUE WITH THAT IS IT APPEARS TO HAVE MORE OF A CONCRETE FRONT YARD AND IT REDUCES OUR BACKYARD. AND YOU KNOW, I, I HEARD WHAT YOU HAD SAID EARLIER, IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE BUILDERS THAT WE WORK WITH NOW WANT MORE EMPHASIS ON THE BACKYARD, A LITTLE BIGGER BACKYARD. UH, AND UNFORTUNATELY, DID YOU, DID YOU GUYS GET THE DRAWING EXHIBIT THAT I, THAT WE SENT IN? NO, WE DIDN'T BECAUSE, BECAUSE THE, WHAT YOU WERE SHOWING DOES NOT MAKE WHAT YOU ARE, WHAT YOU PRESENTED US. WE LOOKED AT THE NOTES SIZES. OKAY. THOSE, I'VE GOT COPIES OF THOSE. WOULD THAT BE BENEFICIAL FOR YOU TO SEE? YOU COULD PROVIDE IT TO THE STAFF AND STAFF WILL DISSEMINATE AS THEY SEE FIT. OKAY. [01:15:27] I APOLOGIZE IF YOU HADN'T SEEN THIS. I'M UP HERE WASTING YOUR TIME. I DIDN'T MEAN TO DO THAT. GO RIGHT AHEAD, MR. DEEDS. SO WE'VE GOT YOUR EXHIBIT A SHOWING YOUR FRONT ENTRY AND YOUR J SWING ENTRY GARAGE. ALL RIGHT. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS WITH THE FRONT ENTRY WITH THE 25 FOOT FRONT YARD, IT ALLOWS US TO HAVE THE SEVEN FOOT SIDE YARDS, 56 FOOT WIDE PAD BY 70 FOOT DEEP. AND WHEN YOU ADD THE JSW, WHICH MEANS THAT THE GARAGE IS OUT FRONT, MOVES THE PAD OR THE, THE ACTUAL PAD ITSELF BACK 20 FEET, WHICH IS SHOWN THERE, IT, WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THE FRONT YARD IS MOSTLY CONCRETE AND THE BACKYARD IS NOW PUSHED TO ABOUT A 10 FOOT BACKYARD. AND HONESTLY, I I, I'VE LIVED IN THE J SWING AND THE BACKYARD IS IMPORTANT RIGHT NOW. AND THE 10 FEET IS THREE AND A HALF PACES. THAT'S NOT MUCH OF A BACKYARD FOR KIDS OR PETS. THAT'S OUR ONLY REASON FOR WANTING THE FRONT ENTRY. AND ALONG THOSE LINES, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHY THE FRONT ENTRY HAS SOME ISSUES, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE DON'T CARE, TAKE CARE OF THEIR GARAGES AND THEY, AND MESS THEM UP. YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY OFFER THE, UH, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE FRONTS, THE CARRIAGE FRONT GARAGE AND WE CAN ALSO DO SOME EXTERNAL LIGHTING TO HELP WITH THAT. AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA HAVE AN HOA OUT HERE AND THAT CAN BE ALSO REFERENCED IN THE HOA, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVE IN RIGHT NOW, THE HOA CAN BE A LITTLE STRONG. IS IT, I GUESS THE BEST WAY I CAN PUT IT. AND THEY'RE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT IT. SO MY, MY POINT IS WE CAN ADDRESS A LOT OF THESE THINGS. UH, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO RUN AWAY FROM JASON'S OTHER THAN OUR BACKYARDS TURNS INTO NOTHING. SO IF THAT IS THE REASON FOR OUR, OUR LAYOUT AND THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PRECEDENTS OUT HERE. UM, THERE, THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM DONE RIGHT NOW, THE HOMESTEAD OF DANIEL FARMS, UM, I KNOW THEY'RE NOT APPLES, APPLES, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THEY'RE ALL FRONTEND. AND WE DID THE DESIGN ON THE FIRST TWO PHASES OF, UH, A HOMESTEAD OF DANIEL FARMS. AND THOSE ARE ALL FRONT ENTRY. SO THEY JUST GOT APPROVED FOR TWO FOR ANOTHER PHASE OF THAT. AND THOSE ARE ALL FRONT ENTRY AND THEY'RE THE SAME SIZE AS THESE, UH, UH, SF EIGHT. SO I GUESS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS JUST BACKYARDS. THAT WAS OUR REASON FOR GETTING AWAY FROM JASON. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING WITH THE COST. IT'S JUST BACKYARD. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT DEVELOPERS ARE IN BUSINESS TO MAKE MONEY. THEY ARE FOR-PROFIT ENTITIES, BUT OH, THEY'RE NON-PROFIT. I PROMISE YOU. IN LIEU. I COULDN'T EVEN SAY IT WITH A STRAIGHT FACE. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. IN LIEU OF HAVING 80 UNITS, WOULD THE PROJECT PENCIL, IF THE PROJECT WAS REDESIGNED TO HAVE FEWER UNITS WITH LARGER LOTS? 'CAUSE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE DISLIKE ABOUT FRONT ENTRY GARAGES IS THAT ONE, PEOPLE HAVE A TENDENCY TO LEAVE THEIR GARAGE DOOR OPEN AND CAN BE UNSIGHTLY. TWO, IF THE GARAGE DOOR IS NOT FLUSH WITH THE FRONT OF THE FACADE, IT KIND OF LEAVES A PYN NOW APPEARANCE IN SOME INSTANCE. SO I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WANT TO HIDE THE GARAGE FROM THE FRONT OR FROM THE FACADE OF THE HOME. SURE. ALRIGHT. WE UNDERSTAND THAT TOO. BUT WITH THE PENCIL, WITH THE PROJECT PENCIL, IF IT COULD BE RECONFIGURED TO MAYBE LOSE A COUPLE OF LOTS BUT STILL PROVIDE THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE NEIGHBORS, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. WELL, WHAT I CAN, I WOULD, WE GOT THIS FIRST COMMENT BACK. WE WENT AND LOOKED AT AND, UH, I, I TOOK OF ALL THESE LOTS AND 20% OF THEM WE CAN DO J SWINGS ON AND NOT AFFECT OUR BACK BACKYARDS AND STILL HAVE ENOUGH. AND WE CAN PROBABLY BACK UP FOR A SECOND. THE, YOU GUYS ASKED ABOUT THE OPEN AREAS. WE GOT TWO OF THEM HERE. ONE IS, IS A, UH, A DETENTION POND. UH, THERE [01:20:01] IS A POSSIBILITY ONCE WE GET TO THE PRELIMINARY PLATTING STAGE, WHEN WE GET TO THE PRELIMINARY PLATTING STAGE, WE WILL DO A TIMING STUDY, UH, FOR DRAINAGE OUT THERE. AND THERE MAY BE A GOOD CHANCE THAT WE MAY NOT NEED ATTENTION DEPENDING ON HOW THE HYDRAULICS WORK. UH, WE'VE DONE THAT WITH A COUPLE SITES INSIDE THE SODO AND GOTTEN RID OF, UM, THE NEED FOR DETENTION, WHICH ALL THAT IS, IS A GATHERING OF WATER AND MEETING IT OUT ON THE, THE BASIS IT COMES NATURALLY. UH, AND IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, WE CAN ADD PROBABLY ANOTHER EIGHT OR 10 LOTS OF CHASE WINGS BECAUSE WE'LL USE THAT OPEN AREA, SQUEEZE IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT WE'RE GONNA STILL USE IT AS, I WISH I COULD POINT TO IT. THE LIGHTER GREEN AREA. OH, PERFECT. RIGHT. THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. OH, I LEARNED SOMETHING GOOD. THAT AREA RIGHT THERE. UM, THE LOTS AROUND HIM. THERE'S PROBABLY, I THINK ANOTHER ADDITIONAL NINE LOTS THERE THAT WE CAN ADD, YOU KNOW, FIVE OR 10 FEET AND STILL LEAVE THAT OPEN AREA THERE. AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE, THE DETENTION AREA WAS SET UP, THE EXISTING ROAD THERE. UH, MEADOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER. MIDDLE MEADOWBROOK. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. UH, IT, IT FALL, ALL THE DRAINAGE FALLS TO A LOW POINT RIGHT HERE. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE GOING TO CATCH THAT DRAINAGE RIGHT THERE COLLECTED IN THIS DETENTION AND THEN MEET IT. YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN AREA BETWEEN THOSE TWO LOT INTO THIS CREEK AREA BACK HERE. THIS CREEK AREA IS NOT A HUNDRED YEAR, UH, STORM. BUT WE WILL DO A COMPLETE STUDY ON IT JUST TO MAKE SURE WE KNOW WHERE OUR ELEVATIONS ARE GONNA, THE, THE PA THE PAD ELEVATIONS ARE GONNA BE. MY POINT IS IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO, UH, THE DETENTION, WE'RE GONNA LEAVE THAT AS AN OPEN AREA AND WE CAN JUST CARRY, UH, THAT WALKWAY THERE, THE TRAIL INTO HERE, INTO THE STREET, AND WE CAN BRING THE BENCHES AND WHATEVER ALL ALONG THIS THING, WHICH WILL BE, IT WOULD BE A NICE AMENITY SO THAT AREA'S NOT GONNA GO AWAY OTHER THAN WE PROBABLY USE SOME OF IT TO MAKE OUR LOTS DEEP ENOUGH THAT WE CAN DO THE, DO THE J SWINGS ON AND NOT NOT HURT OUR BACKYARDS. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? PUTTING THE PENCIL TO IT? WELL, I'D HAVE TO PUT A PENCIL TO IT TO SEE IF WE LOST LOTS. WHAT WE'RE GONNA, 'CAUSE I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. AGAIN, I'M NOT A DEVELOPER. WHAT THE VALUE OF A LITTLE WIDER LOT WOULD BE TO REDUCE THE SIZE. WE'RE A LITTLE DEEPER LOT AND THE DEPTH OF THESE LOTS ARE BASED ON, YOU CAN SEE THOSE THREE CUL-DE-SACS RIGHT THERE. BUT THOSE WERE THERE BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY. I MEAN, THAT WAS THE, THE LAND WE KIND OF HAD LEFT OVER. WE DID THE BEST WE COULD. AND THOSE ARE BIG LOTS AND A LOT OF THOSE LOTS WE'LL DO J SWINGS ON BECAUSE THOSE ARE LARGER. BUT WE USE THE MINIMUM WIDTH FOR THE SFA AND THE MINIMUM DEPTH FOR THE AREA THAT WE, THAT WE NEEDED FOR IT. SO ANYWAY, UM, I GOT SIDETRACKED. ASK ME MORE QUESTIONS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? GO RIGHT AHEAD, MR. GILSTRAP. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU HAD ALLEYS? HOW MANY HOUSES WOULD YOU HAVE? SAY IT AGAIN. IF YOU HAD ALLEYS, HOW MANY HOUSES WOULD YOU HAVE? I'M SORRY. I'M STILL DON'T UNDERSTANDING. IF YOU ASKED FOR THE DURATION NOT TO HAVE ANY ALLEYS, YES. OKAY. IF YOU HAD ALLEYS IN ON THIS PROPERTY, HOW MANY HOUSES COULD YOU BUILD ON THAT PROPERTY? I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU. I'D HAVE, I KNOW THERE'D BE A REDUCTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH. OKAY. THE AREA, UH, WHERE YOU DETENTION POND IS MM-HMM, . AND WHAT IS THE OTHER AREA OF, OF A GREEN SPACE? UH, WHOOPS. SO WHIZ, HIT THE WRONG BUTTON. WE GOING THERE. THERE WE GO. YOU GOOD? THANK YOU. , UH, RIGHT HERE, THIS AREA THERE. AND THE, ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT IS THE CENTER LINE OF THE CREEK. AND THIS IS HEAVILY WOODED. THIS WHOLE AREA IS HEAVILY WOODED. AND I, I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVE DONE A SUBDIVISION IN, I APOLOGIZE, UH, IN WILEY PRETTY MUCH THE SAME KIND OF DEAL. AND WE PUT A, UH, A, A TRAILWAY THROUGH THIS. AND WHAT WE DID ON PURPOSE WAS NOT SET IT IN STONE. SO WE WENT OUT THERE AND WE JUST, AS WE FOUND TREES WE WANTED TO KEEP, WE WORKED THE TRAIL AROUND IT AND IT WORKED REALLY WELL. THIS IS HEAVILY WOODED AND WE DON'T WANT TO FOOL WITH THOSE TREES BACK THERE. SO THAT OPEN AREA, IT'S NOT IN A FLOOD PLAIN, BUT IT'S REALLY, IT'S NOT BUILDABLE AND IT'S, IT'S A GREAT AMENITY 'CAUSE IT IS TREE FILLED AND THERE'D BE A NICE WALKWAY THROUGH IT. AND LIKE I SAID, IF WE GET RID OF IT, IT'S A CHANCE THAT WE CAN GET RID OF THE DETENTION THERE. THEN THAT DETENTION AREA WOULD BECOME PART OF THAT PARK. AND THEN WE'LL WE WILL RUN, UH, THE TRAILWAYS UP INTO THE DETENTION AREA AND, AND HAVE A CONNECTION TO IT. SO WE'LL CONNECT TO THE EXISTING ROAD THERE ONTO THE WEST. [01:25:01] AND WHAT KIND OF TRAIL IS THIS GOING TO BE? YOU KNOW, WHAT THE SIZE OF THE TRAIL IS GOING TO BE? SIZE OF WHAT? THE SIZE, THE SIZE OF THE TRAIL. YOU'RE, YOU'RE GENERALLY EIGHT TO 10 FEET. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, GO RIGHT AHEAD, MS. BROOKS. UM, I'M SORRY I MISSED YOUR NAME. ARE YOU MR. DIETZ? YES, MA'AM. YOU DE ENGINEERING, ARE YOU AN ENGINEER? YES, MA'AM. UM, HAVE YOU LOOKED, HAVE YOU HAD A TRAFFIC ENGINEER KIND OF LOOK AT THIS TO UH, DETERMINE WHAT THE IMPACT MA'AM IS ON A ROADWAY? I GOT A PHONE CALL TODAY AND I, I CANNOT, I'M SORRY, I APOLOGIZE. THE MEMBER OF THE CITY, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO CALLED, ASKED ME DID YOU GUYS DO A TRAFFIC STUDY? AND WE HADN'T BEEN ASKED, SO I SAID, NO, WE HAVE NOT. AND HE SAYS HIS COMMENT WAS THAT, UM, WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE ONE. AND WE KNEW THAT. I'VE GOT OUR NOTES FROM OUR, OUR MEETING. WE KNEW WE HAD TO HAVE ONE, BUT WE WERE GONNA DO IT AT THE PRELIMINARY PLATTING STATIONS ALONG WITH THE STORM DESIGN, WHICH IS WHEN I USUALLY, THIS IS A LOT MORE THAN WE USUALLY DO AT THE, WITH THE ZONING CASE. MM-HMM. . SO, NO, WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. I TOLD THEM, AND I WILL MAKE THIS HAPPEN. WE'LL HAVE ONE BY THE TIME THE COUNCIL IS IS, AND I, ONCE AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES, A MISCOMMUNICATION, UH, BUT WE WERE NEVER ASKED TO HAVE ONE PREPARED FOR TONIGHT. AND THAT'S, YEAH, MY, MY CONCERN IS THAT THE WAY IT WAS PRESENTED, IT'S PRESENTED WITH THE CITY'S LONG RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN. THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. YES MA'AM. WHICH IS DESIGNATED AS SIX LANES, BUT IT ONLY EXISTS CURRENTLY AS TWO. RIGHT. AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHEN IT WILL BE BUILT TO ITS LONG RANGE UNDERSTAND, UM, DECA, YOU KNOW, DESIGNATION, WHICH IS WHY, WHICH IS WHY WE KNEW WE WERE GONNA DO IT. WE'D HAVE TO DO A STUDY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. OKAY. AND FROM AN ENGINEERING PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TYPE OF ENGINEER, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT A TRA I'M NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, NOT A TRAFFIC. OKAY. SO I'M FORTUNATE I CAN'T GIVE YOU REAL STRONG ANSWER, BUT WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT WE USE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND IT WON'T TAKE THEM LONG TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING. AND ONCE AGAIN, IT WAS JUST A MISCOMMUNICATION. WE WEREN'T RUNNING FROM IT AT ALL, I PROMISE YOU. YEAH. SO IF ONE OF THE MITIGATION RECOMMENDATIONS FROM, UH, THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS IS TO BUILD A TRAFFIC SIGNAL TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE CONGESTION THAT'S COMING OUT, UM, ARE YOU ALL KIND OF ON BOARD WITH PROVIDING THAT OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE DEPENDENT ON THE CITY TO BUILD THAT SIGNAL AND INSTALL THAT SIGNAL? I, I WISH I HAD AN INTELLIGENT ANSWER FOR YOU. I DON'T KNOW THE COST, BUT I KNOW WE WERE INVOLVED WITH, UH, HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL FARMS AND THERE WAS A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE AND I KNOW IT IS A LONG, DRAWN OUT, VERY EXPENSIVE PROCESS. WE'RE NOT RUNNING FROM THE EXPENSE. BUT I, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A STRONG ANSWER ABOUT THAT. I JUST, I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. I CAN FIND THAT OUT FOR YOU, BUT I DON'T DUNNO. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU BET. THANK YOU MS. BROOKS. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. DIETZ? AND FOR THE RECORD, YOU ARE IN FAVOR OF THE PLAN. I'M MAKING A SAFE ASSUMPTION. I'M SORRY. AND WHICH AGAIN, FOR THE, FOR THE RECORD, YOU'RE VOTING IN FAVOR OF THE, OF THE ZONING CHANGE? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. DIETZ. YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT FOR THE MOMENT. WE MAY HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. ALRIGHT, MS. ANGELINA DUNBAR, I'M SORRY. IT'S MS. ANGELIA, DAN DUNBAR. SORRY. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. MS. DUNBAR, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE APPROACH THE ELECTOR AND GIMME JUST A MOMENT. GIVE MY TIMER SET UP HERE. UH, STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK. MA'AM, MY NAME IS ANGELIA DUNBAR. UM, I'M A DESOTO RESIDENT AND I'M THE DEVELOPER OF THIS PROJECT. MM-HMM, . GO RIGHT AHEAD MS. DUNBAR. SO TO ADDRESS SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS, UM, MR. RAVENNA ASKED ABOUT CLUB PARK. WE ARE SIMILAR TO CLUB PARK. WE JUST EX UH, EXCEEDED BY DOING GREATER THINGS. SO OUR LOT SIZES ARE LARGER, THEY ARE FRONT ENTRY AND WE DID OUR OWN STUDIES PRIOR TO HIRING AN ENGINEER COMPANY. SO WE MEET THAT STANDARD BUT EXCEEDED IT IN REGARDS TO THE FRONT ENTRY. UM, I'M ALSO A REALTOR AND SO WHEN I HEAR CLIENTS' COMMENTS AND CONCERNS, THEY PREFER FRONT ENTRY VERSUS A J SWING BECAUSE OF THE CONCRETE, LIKE THEY'RE STATING THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ADEQUATE SPACE FOR YOUR KIDS TO PLAY. SO IF WE TAKE AWAY THE BACKYARD, NOW WE'RE GIVING KIDS A FRONT YARD AND WITH CARS COMING BACK AND FORTH AND PARENTS NOT BEING ATTENTIVE, THAT'S A RISK FOR CHILDREN TO BE INJURED. AND WHEN YOU COUNT THE SPACES HE WAS REFERENCING, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF IF WE HAVE TO GO J SWING, HOW FAR THAT DISTANCE IS FOR THE BACKYARD. YOU HAVE NONE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO DEMONSTRATE. SO IF YOU WALK THREE STEPS, 1, 2, 3 TO BOTH, THAT'S 10 FEET FROM HERE TO HERE. THAT'S YOUR BACKYARD. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT IN FRONT OF THE MICROPHONE PLEASE? JUST FOR THE RECORD. IF YOU WALK THREE STEPS, THAT'S ROUGHLY YOUR BACKYARD FROM THE END OF YOUR HOME TO YOUR BACKYARD SPACE, THREE STEPS, THAT'S 10 FEET. AS A BUYER, IF YOU'RE SPENDING 500,000 PLUS YOU WANT JUST THREE STEPS. YOU HAVE NO PLACE FOR YOUR CHILDREN TO PLAY, REALLY NO SPACE FOR YOU TO ENJOY IT OUTSIDE. YOU'RE LOOKING DIRECTLY AT YOUR FENCE. [01:30:01] AND MOST APPLICANTS OR BUYERS DON'T WANT THAT. THEY WON'T ENJOY THE OUTSIDE SPACE, WHICH WE LEARNED DURING COVID, PEOPLE GRAVITATE TOWARDS OUTSIDE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, UM, YOU ASKED ABOUT THE AMENITIES FOR THE TRAIL. WE ARE GONNA PUT SOME BENCHES AND BASED UPON THE PEOPLE THAT WE START MOVING IN, WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT ADDING EXTRA THINGS LIKE SWING SETS AND OTHER STUFF OR SOME TYPE OF PLAYGROUND AREA. UM, IN REGARDS TO J SWINGS, WE DID REQUEST A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT WE DO HAVE, UM, AN OPTION TO DO 20 TO 30%. AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH DEETS SINCE THE INCEPTION, BUT THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS CURRENTLY DOING THE MAJORITY, HE'S OUT OF THE COUNTRY. SO ROGER'S FILLING IN, WHICH IS WHY SOME THINGS HE CAN'T ANSWER. YOU ASKED ABOUT THE COST AND ALSO ABOUT IF WE WERE TO CHANGE IT TO THE ALLEY, WE WOULD END UP WITH ONLY ABOUT 50 LOTS VERSUS 80. UM, THE SF 20, WHICH WAS CURRENTLY THERE, IT ONLY ACQUIRES, ONLY ALLOWS TWO HOUSES PER ACRE. IT'S NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE TO BUILD TWO HOUSES PER ACRE WITH THIS AMOUNT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE. AND YOU ASKED ABOUT THE DENSITY. SO WE EXCEEDED THE 8,000 UH, SQUARE FEET ON MAJORITY OF THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANNA HAVE A MATCHBOX NEIGHBORHOOD WANNA BRING VALUE TO THIS SOTO, AND WE WANNA BE JUST A LITTLE BIT GREATER THAN CLUB PARK. SO WHAT WE DID WAS INCREASE THE LOT SIZE, BUT WE ALSO AT THAT POINT END UP ALLOWING YOU TO HAVE MORE SPACE IN YOUR HOME VERSUS HAVING IT CONDENSED. AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, THE ACRE HOUSES PER ACRE IS ONLY EQUIVALENT, EQUIVALENT TO THREE TO 3.5 ACRE. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT LAST STATEMENT ONE MORE TIME? THE SINGLE FAMILY SFA WITH OUR LOT SIZES COMES OUT TO ROUGHLY THREE HOUSES PER ACRE. SO SF 20 ALLOWS FOR TWO HOUSES ACRE WE'RE ROUGHLY THREE HOUSES ACRE. AND ON SOME OF THE LOTS BASED ON THE LAYOUT, IT'D BE LIKE 3.5 PER ACRE, BUT THE MAJORITY IS THREE HOUSES PER ACRE. MS. DUNBAR, SINCE YOU ARE THE APPLICANT, I'M GONNA ALLOW YOU ADDITIONAL TIME IN CASE THE COMMISSION HAS ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. YES SIR. MAKE SURE I STOP THAT. ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MS. DUNBAR? MR. AV? NO, GO RIGHT AHEAD. GOOD EVENING, MS. DUNBAR. GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UH, RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF YOUR, UH, THE HOMES THAT YOU WANTING TO BILL, WHERE'S ONLY REQUIRED 15, ROUGHLY 1500 SQUARE FEET. AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING THAT YOU WOULD DO 2,500 SQUARE FEET, I'M ASSUMING THAT YOU'RE WANTING THE LARGEST SIZE HOME BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA BE SELLING TO FAMILIES. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. WE WANT MORE AN EXCLUSIVE NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE EAGLE POINT. OKAY. SO WHAT I'M THINKING IS IF YOU'RE DESIGNING A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S GOING TO CATER TO FAMILY WITH CHILDREN, YOU WOULD WANT TO HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE, MORE PLAY WITH SPACE FOR THE KIDS AS WELL. I'M ALSO THINKING THAT FAMILY COULD ALSO HAVE TEENAGE DRIVERS, WHICH WOULD ALSO MEAN NOW YOU'VE GOT EVEN MORE CARS THAT ARE GOING TO BE IN AND OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THOSE PARTICULAR THINGS, AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT, UM, CHAIRMAN STONE AS MR. DIETS IS IN ORDER TO MEET SOME OF THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE HAVE, ARE YOU WILLING TO MAYBE REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOMES TO GIVE YOU MORE LAND SPACE IN ORDER TO PROVIDE USABLE GREEN SPACE AS WELL AS, UM, IF YOU WERE TO GO ALONG WITH THE J SWINGS COULD EVEN PROVIDE MORE, UM, LAND FOR THE BACKYARDS. UM, WHAT I'M FEELING IS THAT THERE'S AN ASPECT OF WANTING MORE QUANTITY VERSUS PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT MORE BENEFITS TO THOSE PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE PURCHASING YOUR HOMES. SO I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD JUST, I WAS JUST GETTING A FEEL THAT YOU ALL ARE NOT INTERESTED IN DEVIATING FROM THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO DEVELOP IN ORDER TO MEET SOME OF THE EXPECTATIONS THAT WE HAVE. AM AM I WRONG IN WHAT I'M PERCEIVING SO FAR? YES SIR. I WOULD, UM, HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY SAY YOU'RE INCORRECT. OKAY. THE SF 800, UH, EIGHT A SF EIGHT WAS 1500 SQUARE FEET THAT WOULD'VE GIVEN US ROUGHLY 120 HOMES. WE KNEW, AND I KNEW AS A HOMEOWNER, I DIDN'T WANNA HAVE THAT MANY HOUSES IN ONE AREA. AND SO WE LOOKED AT THE FACT THAT WE WEREN'T DOING QUANTITY, BUT WE'RE DOING QUALITY. AND FROM A REAL ESTATE STANDPOINT, WHEN I LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE ARE PURCHASING ON A DAILY BASIS, THEY DO WANT THE YARD SPACE, BUT THEY REALLY WANT A NICER HOUSE. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER TRACK BUILDER. WE WANNA DO CUSTOM. AND SO WHEN YOU GO TO CUSTOM, WE HAVE TO HAVE MORE SPACE FOR IT. AND AGAIN, WITH THE JW, EVEN LIKE IN EAGLE POINT, THEY HAVE WHERE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT SIDE WALL BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT IT FACING, UM, THE DRIVEWAY EVEN FACING. BUT ALONG WITH THAT, THAT CREATES AN ISSUE FOR SINGLE WOMEN AND SINGLE MOTHERS TO BE IN A POINT TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT SAFE BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE, A PLACE PEOPLE CAN HIDE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE STATS, YOU'LL SEE THAT MOST PEOPLE [01:35:01] PREFER A DIRECT DRIVE UP AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE REALLY PUSHING THAT AS WELL AS THEY HAVE THE SPACE FOR FAMILIES OUTSIDE. AND EVEN AT THE PRICE POINT, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE WILL NOT HAVE AS MANY SMALLER KIDS AND TEENAGERS. THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THEIR, UM, ROUGHLY 50 AND UP. SO AT THAT POINT THE KIDS ARE PRETTY MUCH GROWN OR OUTTA THE HOUSE. OKAY. WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE, I, BUT I'M THINKING THE SMALLER THE HOMES YOU WOULD PROBABLY HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING TO DOWNSIZE IN, IN THE COMMUNITY TO GET A SMALLER SPACE OR THINGS. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING. I'M THINKING THE BIGGER THE HOME, YOU'RE GONNA LOOK TO GET MORE FAMILY, MORE KIDS AND AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO OUR SQUARE FOOT, UH, ENDS AROUND 4,000, 4,100 SQUARE FEET. AND SO WE'RE CONDUCIVE TO SAME THING AS BLOOMFIELD FIRST TEXAS. AND THOSE ARE THE MAJOR BUILDERS IN THIS AREA THAT ARE BUILDING. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. MM-HMM. , ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? THANK YOU MS. DUNBAR. AND FOR THE RECORD, YOU ARE IN FAVOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ALRIGHT, MS. HILL. MS. HILL DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK HOW YOU DOING MS. HILL, BUT MS. HILL IS IN OPPOSITION OF THE MEASURE. SHE SAYS TOO MANY DEVIATIONS. THANK YOU. MS. HILL. UM, I'M ASSUMING THIS IS EITHER RONNIE RAMMY OR REI OR ROMI SMITH. I'M SORRY, I CAN'T MR. SMITH, UH, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK SIR? I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A YES. MR. SMITH, IF YOU CAN, CAN YOU STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD? OKAY. AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR. UH, I'M, MY NAME IS ROMI SMITH, R-O-M-I-A. I'VE LIVED IN DE CLUB PARK SINCE 1994. UH, WATCHED IT GROW AND AND THRIVE. THE, UH, TYPE OF FOLKS WE STARTED OUT WITH TYPICALLY WERE EMPTY NESTERS THAT WERE COMING IN TO, UH, DOWNSIZE. WERE GETTING A WHOLE LOT MORE YOUNG FAMILIES COMING IN AND THEY'RE MAKING VERY GOOD USE OF THE LARGE GREEN AREAS THAT WE HAVE. UH, THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP ON THIS HOUSE. ON THIS PARTICULAR ONE, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WE LOOKED AT A PROPOSAL TO PUT APARTMENTS IN THERE. IT LOOKS LIKE THIS IS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BUT NOT QUITE FAR ENOUGH. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE 80 HOUSES WITH TWICE SO MANY CARS. AND THE TRAFFIC PATTERN, THAT'S A GOT COMING RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE COMING IN AND OUTTA OUR HOUSE, THE CORNER OF WESTMORELAND AND WINTERGREEN IS A VERY, VERY MUCH OF A BOTTLENECK RIGHT NOW. THERE ARE LONG LINES TO GET THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION JUST WITH THE HOUSING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT. CURRENTLY. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I ASSUME THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON YOU TURNED THAT WE ENDED UP TURNING DOWN THE PROPOSAL ON THE APARTMENTS. THIS SEEMS TO BE RUNNING DOWN THE SAME PATH. IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE WORKS TO DO ANY, ANY ROAD WORK? IS THERE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW THAT, THAT YOU KNOW OF? MR. SMITH? THAT IS, LET ME PAUSE YOUR TIME FOR A SECOND HERE. UH, MR. SMITH, THAT IS ON THE CITY'S FUTURE, UH, ROADWAY IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO EXTEND IT FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES. BUT WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAR IN THE FUTURE THAT WOULD IS PLANNED. YEAH, IT MIGHT BE 2024, IT MIGHT BE 2030. WE HAVE NO CLUE AT THIS POINT. WELL THAT THAT IS A SERIOUS PROBLEM. UH, WHAT IS, WHAT'S HECK, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO THAT CONDEMNED STREET BEHIND US WOODLAND HILLS? WHAT IS THE PLAN THERE? THAT STREET IS NOT PART OF THIS PLAN. IT IS NOT OWNED BY THE SAME OWNER AND IT IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE APPLICANT. IT IS A PART OF THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT IT IS NOT A PART OF THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISCUSSION. WELL, THAT'S OKAY. I JUST, YOU KNOW, I COMMEND YOU FOR MAKING SUBTLE IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS OFFERED BEFORE. BUT I THINK IT IS A TERRIBLE IDEA TO MAKE IT THAT DENSE THAT IT IS NOT, NOT APPROPRIATE FOR, CERTAINLY NOT FOR FAMILY WITH KIDS TO, TO BE, TO NOT HAVE ANY MORE GREEN SPACE THAN THEY HAVE. THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY MAJOR CONCERN. I DON'T HAVE A SMALL INTEREST IN THIS BECAUSE JUST WHERE THAT LITTLE HOOK IS RIGHT THERE AT THE BACK [01:40:02] IS WHERE MY HOUSE IS. MY HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE IN THIS DRAIN SPACE. IT'S JUST AN, IT'S AN, IT'S A, THE ORIGINAL OVERGROWN SPACE, IT'S A, IT IS A ROUGH AREA. IT'S NOT AN, NOT AN APPROPRIATE AREA TO BE USED AS GRAIN SPACE FOR ENJOYMENT. THANK YOU MR. SMITH. IT'S JUST A BLOCK. THANK YOU MR. SMITH. I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENT AND FOR THE RECORD, YOU ARE OPPOSED TO THE MEASURE. I'M OPPOSED. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, MR. DON PAGE. MR. PAGE. ARE YOU WITH US THIS EVENING, MR. PAGE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE APPROACH THE LECTERN, STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. DONALD PAGE. UM, DESOTO, TEXAS. I ALSO AM A RESIDENT OF CLUB PARK AND I'M CURIOUS IS WILL THIS COMMUNITY BE GATED? WILL NOT BE GATED. OKAY. UH, AM I CORRECT THAT ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THEN WILL COME OUT ONTO WINTERGREEN? HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION OF GOING OUT ON, ON THE, UH, EAST END OF THE PROPERTY AND ENTRANCE WHERE, SO ALL THE TRAFFIC WOULDN'T GO INTO WINTERGREEN? IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME THAT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD SUGGEST, UM, IN CLUB PARK WE HAVE 50 HOMES. OUR, ONE OF OUR, I'M THE FIRST RESIDENT IN THERE, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST PROBLEMS. WE HAVE, UM, I THINK 10 EXTRA PARKING SPACES, COMMON AREA PARKING. THEY HAVE NO COMMON AREA PARKING. AND I CAN TELL YOU WHEN THEY HAVE PARTIES AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES NEED TO GET IN, THAT CREATES A HUGE PROBLEM. AND I'M SURPRISED THAT THERE ISN'T ANY COMMON AREA OF PARKING AT ALL. WE HAVE 10 SPACES AND WE'RE ABOUT HALF WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE JUST FOR THE RECORD. SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE COMMON AREA PARKING AND CONSIDER AN ENTRANCE, UH, OFF ON THE EAST END OF THE PROPERTY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. PAGE. AND FOR THE RECORD, MR. PAGE IS IN OPPOSITION OF THE MEASURE. MS. TINA ELLI. HOPEFULLY I PRONOUNCED THAT CORRECTLY. YOU DID, SIR. THANK YOU. COULD YOU PLEASE GIMME ONE SECOND HERE. LET ME RESET THE TIMER. I'LL NEED IT. . I APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING ME HONEST. CAN YOU STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD? SURE. MY NAME IS TINA ELLI. I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF CLUB PARK AND HAVE BEEN, UH, MY FAMILY'S OWNED THE HOME SINCE 2001. SO LONG-TERM DESOTO RESIDENCE. UM, WANTED TO BRING A COUPLE OF THINGS TO, UH, YOUR ATTENTION. ONE, IT LOOKED TO ME LIKE THIS STREET IS A PART OF THE PLAN BECAUSE THAT IF, IF IT'S NOT, THAT'S VERY STRANGE TO ME THAT YOU WOULDN'T CONSIDER, AGAIN, ANOTHER EXIT PLACE FOR ALL OF THE REASONS THAT MR. SMITH AND MR. PAGE, UH, SHARED. ALSO, THE REALLY LOVELY LADY THAT I CAME WITH IN THE BACK, UM, GOT T-BONED AT THIS INTERSECTION LAST WEEK BECAUSE IT IS SO NARROW. UM, AND, AND NOT WELL, UM, NOT WELL MARKED THAT I HAD TO PUT IN A TICKET WITH THE ACTION CENTER TO GET, UM, THAT ADDRESSED BY THE CITY THIS WEEK. SO, UH, YOU HAVE WINTER GREEN, WHICH IS AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, TWO LANES, BUT REALLY THIS, UH, OLD HICKORY TRAIL IS EVEN NARROWER THAN THAT. AND, UM, THIS, UH, WHAT HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS GREEN SPACE, AGAIN, IT'S MR. SMITH'S BACKYARD. IT'S MY BACKYARD. IT'S, UH, SOME OF OUR OTHER FRIENDS IN THE AUDIENCE BACKYARD. UM, IT'S, I I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF PUTTING A TRAIL SYSTEM WHERE PEOPLE CAN THEN LOOK INTO MY, UM, INTO MY BACKYARD AND MY LIVING ROOM, MY KITCHEN, UM, WHILE THEY'RE, UM, OUT FOR A, A CASUAL JOG. THE, UM, THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT, CLUB PARK, UH, GOT DESCRIBED I THINK PROBABLY AN ERROR AS HAVING TOWN HOMES. WE DO NOT HAVE TOWN HOMES. WE HAVE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES. UM, AGAIN, ONLY 50 HOMES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WE ARE GATED. THAT MEANS WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF OUR STREET THAT'S NOT BORN BY THE CITY. UM, WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR [01:45:01] GATE, FOR OUR COMMON AREA. WE DO. UM, WE'RE ALSO TO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT WE ARE NOT IN DESOTO ISD SO IF I WAS, UM, IF I WAS A PARENT AND I'M NOT, UM, BUT IF I WAS A PARENT AND I HAD SCHOOL AGE CHILDREN AND I WAS MOVING TO DESOTO BECAUSE OF THE QUALITY OF OUR SCHOOLS, I WOULD NOT SELECT CLUB PARK. AND I PROBABLY WOULDN'T SELECT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD EITHER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT DESOTO SCHOOLS. SO I QUESTION WHETHER, UM, THE TARGET AUDIENCE, UM, AND AGAIN, WITH, WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPER WHO, UH, THANKFULLY DOES LIVE HERE, BUT ALSO THE ENGINEER THAT THAT'S IN MCKINNEY, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HIT ON YET. AND MR. SMITH HIT ON THIS AS WELL, THAT WE'VE HIT ON THE RIGHT MIX FOR THIS PROPERTY. CLUB PARK IS NOT OPPOSED TO REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT. CLUB PARK DID NOT OPPOSE THE REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY IN 2005 OR SIX MAYBE. UM, THANK YOU MR. TO THE THANK YOU, MA'AM, TO THE SECTION THAT IT IS NOW. THANK YOU MA'AM. AND FOR THE RECORD, MR. ELLI IS OPPOSED TO THE MEASURE, TURN THAT OFF. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO FILL OUT A COMMON CARD AND HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD ON THE RECORD OR PUT IN VOTE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION? FOR THE RECORD, SIR, IF YOU FILL OUT A COMMON CARD, IF YOU WOULD, COULD YOU PLEASE APPROACH THE DS AND YOU CAN HAND THAT OVER TO ONE OF THE STAFF MEMBERS AND THEN YOU CAN APPROACH THE LEC. SIR, GIMME JUST ONE MOMENT, SIR. NO PROBLEM. SIR, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE. YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES. MR. TRAILER. GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR. MARCUS TRAILER. UM, I LIVE IN CLUB PARK, 7 36 VILLAGE GREEN DRIVE, AND I DEFINITELY HAVE A FEW CONCERNS. I DO WANT TO LET IT BE KNOWN THAT, UM, I DID SEND A LETTER IN. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GONNA COUNT IT TWICE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I CLEAR IT UP. I DID OPPOSE THIS. UM, BUT OUTSIDE OF THE LETTER THAT I'VE SENT, UM, I AM CURIOUS ABOUT, UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND JUST GETTING ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I THINK THAT THERE, THERE WAS A LACK OF INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED THAT DOES NOT GIVE US AN AMPLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO REALLY REVIEW AND CONSIDER EXACTLY, HEY, IS THIS WHAT WE REALLY WANT NEXT TO CLUB PARK? AS MENTIONED, UM, BY MR. PAGE, MR. SMITH, UM, THAT GREEN SPACE IS, AS YOU GUYS MAY KNOW, IS NOT A GREEN SPACE. I HAVE A, I'M ONE OF THE YOUNG FAMILIES THAT HAVE MOVED IN, HAVE A NEWBORN. UM, I WOULD NOT SUGGEST THAT AS A GREEN SPACE, EVEN IF THEY DID PUT A RUNNING TRAIL ON IT, I STILL WOULDN'T SUGGEST THAT BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT MY KIDS BACK THERE. IT'S A LOT OF WILDLIFE. UM, AS YOU GUYS MAY KNOW THAT PARTICIPATE IN KIND OF LIVE THROUGH THAT. NOT NECESSARILY PARTICULARLY IDEAL FOR, UM, ANYBODY TRYING TO EXERCISE OR RUN RIGHT NOW. UM, ALSO AS FAR AS THE, THE TRAFFIC, UH, STUDY RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER OF, UM, I'M SORRY, UH, UH, WHAT IS THIS? WINTER GREEN WESTMORELAND AND WINTERGREEN. WESTMORELAND AND WINTERGREEN. UM, I ACTUALLY LIVE LIKE RIGHT THERE ON THAT CORNER. AND WHEN I TELL YOU THERE ARE WRECKS MAYBE ONCE EVERY THREE WEEKS, AND THAT'S WITH THE TRAFFIC THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY IN THE SOTO. UM, WITH ADDING THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT SCARES ME. IT SCARES ME FOR MY FAMILY, THE PROTECTION OF IT. UM, IF I COULD TELL YOU, LIKE, AND MAYBE YOU GUYS ARE AWARE OF IT, BUT ROUGHLY EVERY THREE WEEKS, UM, ESPECIALLY DURING COVID, IT FELT LIKE IT WAS EVERY OTHER WEEK. THERE'S A WRECK RIGHT THERE. I HAVE CAMERAS, WHICH, UM, I STARTED COLLECTING A LOT OF THESE WRECKS THAT ARE TAKING PLACE. AND AGAIN, IT'S CONCERNING WHEN YOU HAVE ROUGHLY 80 HOMES. IF IT'S TWO PARENT, I MEAN HOUSEHOLD OF MULTIPLE CAR DRIVERS, IT LEADS TO 160, MAYBE DOUBLE THAT NUMBER. THAT'S VERY CONCERNING, ESPECIALLY IF WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE, UM, I GUESS THE UPDATED, UH, LANE STRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT WILL TAKE PLACE. UM, SO IN, IN THAT TIME, IN THAT COURSE, IT'S VERY CONCERNING. UM, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, UM, TO MR. PAGE POINT A, A DIFFERENT EXIT, UH, IF POSSIBLE, AND MAYBE LET'S CUT DOWN ON SOME OF THESE. UH, THE SF EIGHT, UH, LET'S INCREASE. UM, LET MAKE A FEW MINOR [01:50:01] ADJUSTMENTS TO THE SMALLER, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DESIRABLE, UM, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. EXCUSE ME. UH, MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DESIRABLE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND, AND KEEP THE INTEGRITY OF IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MR. TRAILER. AND FOR THE RECORD, MR. TRAILER IS IN OPPOSITION OF THE MEASURE. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE RECORD HEARING AND SEEING NONE? WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:07 PM THANK YOU ALL COMMISSIONERS. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER? JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT. PARDON? OH, I I'LL GIVE YOU AMPLE TIME. MS. BROOKS. I'M NOT ANTI DEVELOPER WHATSOEVER. I'M ACTUALLY PRO BUSINESS. UM, I'VE EVEN DABBLED IN DEVELOPMENT MYSELF AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THE EQUAL POINT NEIGHBORHOOD IS A FAIR COMPARISON FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. UM, BEING ALONE, THAT THERE'S A MINIMUM LOT SIZE OF A HALF AN ACRE, AN EQUAL POINT. UM, SOME OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, UM, FROM DANIEL DELL FARMS, THAT MIGHT BE AN APT COMPARISON. HOWEVER, IN MY OPINION, THE THING THAT DIFFER DIFFERENTIATES, UH, DANIEL DELL FARMS FROM THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, IS THERE NUMEROUS ACCESS POINTS WHERE ON THIS ONE THERE'S ONLY TWO AND I DON'T LIVE THERE NOW, BUT FOR FIVE YEARS I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT AND I COMMUTED EVERY DAY, HOPPED ON 67 TO 20, SO ON AND SO FORTH. AND IN THE AFTERNOONS THERE'S A TRAFFIC BACKLOG AND SEVERAL THE RESIDENTS HAS POINTED OUT, UM, SPECIFICALLY AT THE INTERSECTION OF WESTMORELAND AND WINTERGREEN. AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TWO-LANE THOROUGHFARE. AND I'M SURE THE CITY PLANS TO EXPAND THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME IN THE FUTURE. BUT AS STAFF HAS POINTED OUT, THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER, UH, PUBLIC PLANS IN THE WORKS. HAMPTON ROAD DEVELOPMENT, UM, OLD ROAD, UH, PARKVILLE ROAD. UH, IT MIGHT BE A DECADE BEFORE WINTERGREEN EXPANDS. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS NO ISSUE WITH SUBMITTING A TRAFFIC PLAN, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT 80 RESIDENTS AND WE'LL JUST SAY OPTIMISTICALLY. IF WE'RE BUILDING LARGER HOMES FOR FAMILIES, WE'LL SAY 2.5 CARS PER RESIDENT, IT'S 200 VEHICLES. THAT'S GOING TO BE A HEADACHE IN THE MORNING AND IT'S GONNA BE A HEADACHE IN THE AFTERNOON. AND AS THE GENTLEMAN POINTED OUT, THERE IS NO COMMON AREA SPACE PARKING AS THERE IS IN CLUB PARK. AND WHEN THERE'S ADDITIONAL PARKING NEEDED, PEOPLE PARK ON THE STREETS. AND THAT'S OFTEN AN IMPEDIMENT TO EMERGENCY VEHICLES. SO ME AS SOMEONE WHO USED TO LIVE IN THE AREA, GRANTED I NO LONGER DO, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS IN ITS CURRENT DESIGN THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO SPECIFICALLY WITH THE DESIGN AND MORE TO DO WITH THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE. IF THERE WAS A FOUR-LANE THOROUGHFARE OR IF THERE WAS A SEPARATE ENTRANCE TO THE COMMUNITY ON OLD HICKORY OR SOME OTHER METHOD OF INGRESS OR EGRESS, I'D BE OPPOSED TO LEANING DIFFERENTLY. BUT WE DO HAVE A CERTIFIED TRAFFIC ENGINEER SITTING IN TWO SPACES TO MY LEFT. SO I'M GONNA PASS THE MICROPHONE TO MS. BROOKS AND LET HER TELL ME HOW WRONG I AM. I'M NOT A CERTIFIED TRAFFIC ENGINEER, I JUST PLAY ONE ON TELEVISION . SO I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH OUR CHAIR. UM, I DISAGREE A LITTLE BIT. IT MAY BE A DECADE BEFORE FUNDING IS IDENTIFIED AND ANOTHER DECADE BEFORE THE ROADWAY IS BUILT. SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I COULD SUPPORT WITH THE MINIMAL INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE AS A COMMISSION. UM, I CAN'T EVEN CONSIDER WHAT THE, UM, TRAFFIC ISSUES ARE GOING TO BE WITHOUT THAT TRAFFIC STUDY. I WOULD HATE TO DENY THIS BASED ON A LACK OF INFORMATION. I'M VERY OPEN TO, UM, ASKING THE APPLICANT TO RETURN WHEN THEY HAVE MORE INFORMATION FOR US TO CONSIDER. WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE MITIGATION RECOMMENDATIONS ARE AND WHAT THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO DO IN REFERENCE TO THAT MITIGATION, THOSE MITIGATION RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT CURRENTLY, BASED ON THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AS MY, UH, CHAIR MENTIONED AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS INFRASTRUCTURE WILL NOT BE IMPROVED FOR A COUPLE OF DECADES, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I COULD SUPPORT AT THIS TIME. ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? THANK YOU MS. BROOKS. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BRING ONE TO THE FLOOR. MR. CHAIR, DURING UH, COMMISSIONER BROOKS'S COMMENTS, UH, SHE [01:55:01] RAISED A PROPOSAL THAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST GIVE THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENTERTAIN. AND I THINK, AND YOU CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, COMMISSIONER BROOKS, THE PROPOSAL WAS THAT WE MAYBE TABLE THIS MATTER. UH, I THINK THE APPLICANT AND DEVELOPER HAS HEARD OUR CONCERNS. I SHARE THOSE CONCERNS, UH, NOT ONLY, UH, WITH REGARDS TO ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, UH, BUT THE LACK OF ALLEYS. UM, AND IT, AND IT SEEMED A LITTLE RIGID IN TERMS OF, TO MR. AL'S POINT, UH, WHETHER OR NOT THE DEVELOPER WAS ABLE TO MAKE ANY CONCESSIONS, UH, TO KIND OF MEET US WHERE WE THINK THIS THING OUGHT TO BE. BUT THAT BEING SAID, I, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WISH FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A VOTE TONIGHT OR IF THEY WISH FOR THIS MATTER TO BE TAPD. AND BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM THEM, I THINK WE WOULD HAVE SOME DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO NEXT. I HAVE A QUESTION IF WE, COULD YOU APPROACH THE MICROPHONE PLEASE, MA'AM. AND ONE MORE TIME. FULL NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE. ANGELIA DUNBAR, CITY OF DESOTO. IF WE TABLE IT, CAN WE TURN IN INFORMATION AND YOU GUYS LOOK AT IT AND WE STILL GO TO THE NEXT MEETING ON, I THINK THE FIFTH 15TH OF AUGUST? OR WILL WE HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT PNZ MEETING? OUR NEXT PNZ MEETING IS THE 20, THE 22ND OF AUGUST. I DON'T KNOW HOW OUR SCHEDULE ALIGNS TO FALL TO BRING THIS CASE TO THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. MR. BREWER MIGHT BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME INSIGHT. NO, WE'D HAVE TO GET OUT YOUR HOUSE FIRST AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO ACTUALLY RE ADVERTISE FOR PROBABLY THE SEPTEMBER MEETING BEFORE THE COUNCIL IF IT GETS OUT OF YOUR HOUSE AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO I WOULD SAY WE JUST GO AHEAD AND PROCEED. THANK YOU MA'AM. DULY NOTED. ALRIGHT, DO WE HAVE A MOTION ON, WOULD, WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO BRING A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION, PLEASE? I, UH, MR. CHAIR RELATIVE TO CASE NUMBER Z 15 0 1 DASH 23, I REC RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE, OF THIS, UH, REQUEST. SECOND WITH A MOTION BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR BY MR. RNE, SECONDED BY MS. BROOKS. ALL IN FAVOR OF RECOMMENDING DENIAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. CHAIRMAN STONE, DID YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I THOUGHT I DID. DID I NOT? YES, YOU DID. YOU DID. OKAY. MAKING SURE, UM, WE, YES. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. ALL IN FAVOR OF DENIAL OF CASE Z DASH 15 0 1 DASH 23. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE A AYE THE MEASURE HAS PASSED. WE WILL NOT RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS CASE TO THE CITY COUNCIL. MR. BREWER. MS. RAZZI, IS THERE ANY FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THIS COMMISSION THIS EVENING? NOT FROM ME, SIR. MS. RAZZI GAVE THE NEGATIVE HEAD SHAKE. ALRIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. DO WE HAVE A MOTION FOR DISMISSAL? SO MOVED. MR. CHAIR. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY GOODNIGHT. GOODNIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.