Jun 27, 2023 Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting

HAVING THE TOWN HALL CONCEPTS ALONG WITH COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AT THE CORNER.

IT WAS PURELY THE DEVIATION REQUEST THAT WE WEREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT WE WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THE MIXED USE, BUT NOT THE DEVIATION REQUEST.

MS. CAESAR, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? YES, YES.

I OH, RIGHT AHEAD, MR. CHAIR.

UH, MS, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SCHEMATIC THAT SHOWS THE ACTUAL LAYOUT? I WANNA SEE THE ACTUAL POSITIONING OF THE COMMERCIAL LOTS.

SO THEY ARE FACING BELT LINE? YES.

SO THE COMMERCIAL, THE PROPOSED COMMERCIAL AREA IS THE ONES THAT ARE THE HEAD CORNER OF A BELT LINE AND OKAY.

EXCELLENT.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SEE.

, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? MR. AND THEN MR. GILSTRAP, GO RIGHT AHEAD, GENTLEMEN.

COULD YOU GO BACK TO SLIDE 13 FOR ME PLEASE? OKAY, THANK YOU.

I JUST NEEDED TO SEE THE REAR ELEVATION.

YES, BUT, UH, WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL THAT THESE ARE PROPOSED.

THEY'RE NOT THE EXACT TOWNS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

THESE ARE LIKE POSSIBILITIES.

MR. CHAIR, MR. MILLER, THERE WAS ONE DEVIATION THAT CONFUSED ME.

THEY WANTED TO DECIDE WHAT KIND OF RETAIL COME INTO THE AREA SO IT WOULD BE CONDUCIVE TO THEIR PROPERTY PROPOSAL.

AND DID THEY TELL YOU WHAT THAT, THAT KIND OF THING THAT THEY WANTED? THEY WOULD, THEY WOULDN'T APPROVE OR WOULD APPROVE? SORRY, MAY YOU REPEAT YOUR QUESTION AGAIN.

ACCORDING TO SOME OF THE DEVIATION, YES, THEY WOULD HAVE THE DECISION OF ACCEPTING WHO WOULD MOVE INTO THE RETAIL PORTIONS, THE TWO PLOTS ON A RETAIL, RIGHT.

SO WHAT THEY DID WAS TO TAKE ALL THE, UH, USES THAT ARE ALLOWED IN, UH, RETAIL, UH, IN, IN THE GENERAL RETAIL, AND THEY TOOK OUT WHAT THEY FELT WAS NOT THE BEST USES.

SO YES, DEPENDING ON WHAT SOMEONE IS PROPOSING, IF WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING DOES NOT LINE UP WITH WHAT THE APPLICANT IS SAYING THEY WANT, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO ACCEPT IT.

YES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO, THE USE HAS TO LINE UP WITH THE PD.

IF IT IS APPROVED, PLEASE, PLEASE READ THOSE.

IT'S QUITE A BIT, BUT, UH, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT THEY ARE PROHIBITING.

SO THE, THE ONES THAT THEY ARE PROHIBITING ARE BAND LIGHTED SPORTS, COURT ANTENNA SUPPORT STRUCTURE, COMMUNICATIONS OPERATIONS, COMMUNICATIONS OPERATIONS, COMMERCIAL FIRE POLICE OR MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, MICROWAVE, REFLECTOR, ANTENNA, SEWAGE PUMPING STATION, TELEPHONE, BUSINESS OFFICE, TELEPHONE EXCHANGE SWITCHING OR RELAY OF TRANSMISSION STATION, WATER PUMPING STATION, ELEVATED WATER STORAGE DAY CAME DAY CAME FOR CHILDREN.

PLAYFIELD OR STADIUM WEDDING BANQUET.

WEDDING BANQUET OR AND PARTY FACILITY, CONTINUING CARE, RETIREMENT COMMUNITY FRATERNAL ORGANIZATION LODGE, UNION HALL OR CIVIC CLUB SCHOOL DRIVING SLASH DEFENSIVE DRIVING AUTO PARTS AND ACCESSORY CELLS, APPLIANCE RENTAL BUILDING MATERIALS THAT WE ALL HOME IMPROVEMENT CENTER, CELL PHONE SLASH PAGE SALES, CLEANING SHOP OR LAUNDRY PICKUP OR SELF SERVICE, CONSIGNMENT STORE, DISCOUNT STORE, DON SHOP AND FUNERAL HOME OR MUTUAL.

THOSE ARE THE USES THAT THEY ARE SAYING THEY DON'T WANT IN THAT RETAIL CORNER.

THOSE ARE THE ONES THEY DON'T WANT.

SO HOW MANY ARE LEFT? OH, EXCUSE ME, MR. GILSTRAP, IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I I I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING, MR. CHAIR.

MR. I, I SHOULD YIELD TO THE CHAIR.

WE WILL HAVE AMPLE TIME TO DISCUSS THIS DURING THE REGULAR SESSION.

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REQUIRE MORE THAN 23 SPACES, WHICH IS 11 ON SITE AND 12 ON STREET PERMIT PARKING SPACES.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF ON THIS CASE? THANK YOU MR. GILSTRAP, I APPRECIATE YOU.

NEXT CASE OF THE EVENING, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT NUMBER 1 45.

IN ORDER TO ALIGN THE CITY OF DESOTOS ADOPTED 2023 NANCE FARM MASTER PLAN, THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER IS THE CITY OF DESOTO.

MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? EVENING, MR. BREWER.

GOOD EVENING CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE, UH, COMMISSION? NO, THAT'S, THAT'S HIS REPORT.

NEVER.

MINE IS NOT WORKING.

CLICK TO THE NEXT ONE PLEASE.

IN APRIL, 2020, 2009, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A MASTER PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 2.059 ACRE TRACK OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LOT 12, BLOCK 15 IN THE METAL BROOK ESTATES SECOND INSTRUMENT.

THAT PLAN WAS TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN FOUR PHASES WITH THE GOAL OF SUPPORTING A SMALL SCALE WORKING FARM REMINISCENT OF THE 19 EIGHT OF THE 18 HUNDREDS.

THE PROPERTY IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF DESOTO AND LOCATED NORTH OF MANTLE BROOK DRIVE WEST OF NORTH HAMPTON ROAD AND SOUTH OF WEST WINTER GREEN ROAD WITH THE STREET ADDRESS OF 1325 GREEN BROOK DRIVE.

ON SEPTEMBER THE 21ST, 2010, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCE 1864 DASH 10, WHICH OFFICIALLY REZONED LOT 12 BLOCK 15 IN THE MEADOWS BROOK ESTATE.

SECOND INSTRUMENT FROM EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY 12 TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, 1 45 TO PROVIDE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF NASH FARM N FARM.

THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHED THE PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED AND USED ONLY IN THE ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS.

AND THESE ARE LISTED IN THE ORDINANCE.

THE PURPOSE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS TO ALLOW FOR THE RESTORATION OF NASH FARM TO REFLECT THE ERA IN WHICH IT WAS BUILT BASED ZONING DISTRICT.

THE PROPERTY SHALL BE USED AND DEVELOP IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY 12 DISTRICT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED HEREIN THE DEVELOPMENT.

THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE USED AS A PUBLIC COMMUNITY CENTER AND SHALL CONSIST OF A MAIN HOUSE AND TWO OUTBUILDINGS, THE CURING SHED AND THE MILKING BARN AS WELL AS PROPOSED VISITOR PAVILION.

THE SITE PLAN IS ATTACHED AS EXHIBIT B.

I DO HAVE A, A ILLUSTRATION OF THAT AND I'LL SHOW YOU THAT LATER, AND IT'S HERE BY APPROVED THE ELEVATION PLAN FOR THE VISITORS PAVILION IS ATTACHED EXHIBIT C AND IT'S HEREBY APPROVED MASONRY REQUIREMENTS.

NONE OF THE STRUCTURES ON THE SITES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE MASONRY EXTERIORS.

HOWEVER, MATERIALS USED MUST REFLECT THOSE USED ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE AND FROM THAT AREA.

NUMBER SEVEN, LANDSCAPING THE FIVE FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE STREET IS NOT REQUIRED.

IN ADDITION, THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE ONE TREE PER 40 LINEAR FEET ALONG THE FRONT OF THE LOT IS NOT REQUIRED AS WELL.

EIGHT LOCATION OF ENTRY GATE.

THE ENTRY GATE ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE LOCATED 25 FEET IN FRONT OF THE FENCE, HOWEVER, NO VEHICLE SHALL BE PARKED IN FRONT OF ANY OF THE ENTRY GATES.

AND NUMBER NINE, SCREENING OF NON-RESIDENTIAL.

A SOLID BRICK OR MASONRY SCREENING WALL BETWEEN NON-RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IS NOT REQUIRED.

NUMBER 10, DRIVEWAYS CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS ARE NOT REQUIRED.

DRIVEWAYS MAY BE CONSTRUCTED, USED A CRUSHED STONE OR SIMILAR PRODUCT ON THE SURFACE.

HOWEVER, THESE, HOWEVER, THESE BASE OF THE DRIVEWAY SHALL BE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING THE WEIGHT OF A FIRE TRUCK.

NUMBER 11, ON SITE PARKING, A PARKING LOT CONSISTING OF NINE SPACES SHOULD BE LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THE VISITOR PAVILION.

ANOTHER PARKING LOT CONSISTING OF TWO SPACES WILL BE LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE VISITOR PAVILION.

NUMBER 12, ON STREET PARKING, NO MORE THAN 12 CARS SHALL BE PARKED ON THE GREEN BROOK DRIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET ADJOINING NANCE FARM, NO ON STREET PARKING SHALL PROJECT BEYOND THE NORTH OR SOUTH PROPERTY LINE OF NASH FARM NUMBER 13, OFFSITE PARKING FOR ANY EVENT, THE SHE

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PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED OFFSITE IN AN APPROVED NON-RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THIS IS AN ATTACHMENT B AND IT ACTUALLY SHOWS THIS IS THE, UH, UH, THE ORIGINAL HOUSE HERE.

UH, I, ONE OF THESE IS GONNA BE THE MILKING BARN AND ONE IS GONNA BE THE CURING CURING, UH, SHED.

THIS IS AT THAT TIME WAS GONNA BE THE PROJECTED NEW VISITOR PAVILION, THE PARKING SPACE HERE.

AND THIS IS, UH, GREEN BROOK ITSELF.

UH, AS I MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION, THE ORDINANCE IDENTIFIED EXHIBIT C WAS SHOWING YOU THE BUILDING ELEVATIONAL VIEWS OF THE PROPOSED VISITOR VISITOR BUILDING.

THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPING NASH FARM HAS BEEN PARTIALLY IMPLEMENTED, BUT THE REMAINING WORK HAS NOT BEEN UNDERTAKEN IN RECENT YEARS OF FACILITY HAS NOT BEEN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES TO BETTER PROMOTE THE PROPERTY TO ALIGN WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

ON JANUARY THE FIFTH, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE COMMUNITY CULTURE ARTS MASTER PLAN ESTABLISHING GOALS AND STRATEGIES TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF ARTS IN DESOTO.

THIS PLAN IDENTIFIED THE NASH FARM FACILITY AS THE POTENTIAL FUTURE HOME FOR ART CLASSES AND ARTISTS IN RESIDENCY PROGRAM ART DISPLAYS AND SMALL ART AND HISTORY FESTIVALS.

THIS RECOMMENDATION PROMPT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IN ORDER TO DEVELOP AND REVISE THE CITY'S 2009 NASH FARM MASTER PLAN.

THE CITY'S FFY 2023 BUSINESS PLAN INCLUDED THE GOAL OF CONVERTING NASH FARMS INTO A HIGHER VALUE COMMUNITY ASSET, INCLUDING AS A HOME FOR THE ARTS, WITH ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES BEING TO UPDATE THE NASH FARM MASTER PLAN ON MAY THE THIRD, 2022.

THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED THE CONTRACT WITH ROGERS ARCHITECTS, PLLC, DOING BUSINESS AS ROGERS PARTNERS.

ROGERS PARTNERS COMPLETED THE ASSESSMENT OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AT NASH FARM AND ALSO COLLECTED INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY TO A MEETING CALLED BY THE ARTS COMMISSION HELD ON THE LOCATION OF JULY THE 14TH, 2022, A COMMUNITY SURVEY AND DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH INDIVIDUALS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT TO NASH FARM.

ROGERS PARTNERS USED THE INFORMATION RECEIVED, DEVELOPED ALTERNATE DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS, AND THE SCENARIOS WERE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

ON OCTOBER 17TH, 2022, THE CITY COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN AND THE MASTER PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY OF DESOTOS, A COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC IN NOVEMBER, 2022.

FOR FURTHER, FOR FURTHER FEEDBACK ON FEBRUARY THE 21ST, 2023, THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN WAS TO PRESENTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

A PUBLIC HEARING HAS NOW BEEN PLACED ON YOUR COMMISSION'S MEETING AGENDA TONIGHT IN ORDER TO CONSIDER AMENDING PD 1 45 IN ORDER TO ALIGN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE NEW 2023 NASH NASH FARM MASTER PLAN.

DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, CHRIS BARRIO, WILL PROVIDE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF NASH FARM AND THE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS THAT WERE CONDUCTED IN CONNECTION WITH CREATING THE 2023 NASH FARM MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS, UH, THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, UH, AS SHOWN IT IS SHOWING, UH, UTILIZING THE EXISTING FACILITY AND ADDING SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL COVER AWNINGS.

AND AGAIN, UH, CHRISTOPHE WOULD DISCUSS MORE ABOUT THIS ACTUAL SITE PLAN AND THIS IS A PROPOSED AMPHITHEATER PAVILION I'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE THAT WAS A PART OF THE, UH, PLAN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WITH PHOTOS OF EACH ONE OF THOSE, UH, FACILITIES.

UH, THIS IS A, A PLAN IN THAT PLAN CALLED THE PROGRAM.

IT GIVES YOU MORE DIMENSIONAL PROJECTIONS OF, UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDINGS.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN, SO IT'S NOT A VIABLE PLAN, BUT IT GIVES A GENERALITY OF WHAT, UH, WAS TO BE FORECAST.

UH, THE PROPERTY, UH, AGAIN, IS LOCATED, UH, WEST OF HAMPTON ROAD, UH, SOUTH OF, UM, WESTMORELAND, UH, IN THAT BLUE AREA THAT YOU SEE HERE.

UM, AND AS YOU NOTE, THIS IS A SOLID RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY 12 ZONING DISTRICT.

AGAIN, A COUPLE OF MAPS JUST TO HELP GIVE YOU, UH, A CLOSER UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS AND COMPARED TO THE OTHER LOTS AROUND IT.

UH, THE MAP ON THE LEFT SHOWS YOU THE ZONING.

IT IS, IT HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AS A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT 1, 1 45.

THIS IS AN APPROVED ZONING AND THE YELLOW IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL 12.

UH, THE GREEN IS TWO FAMILY DUPLEX.

UH, THE GRAY IS SINGLE FAMILY SF 10.

UH, ON THE RIGHT YOU WILL SEE THE, UH, DISTANCE NOTIFICATION.

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UH, STAFF TOOK THE BLACK AREA, WHICH IS THE, UM, PROPERTY WHERE NASH FARM IS, UH, THE STATE AND CITY MANDATED 200 FOOT RADIUS IS WHAT YOU SEE IN BLUE.

AND AS I CITY COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED STAFF, WE DO SEND COURTESY NOTICES ALL THE WAY OUT TO 400 FEET.

UH, WE HAVE SENT OUT, UH, NOTICES.

UM, AS YOU WILL SEE, THE YELLOW ONES ARE THE RETURNED IN OPPOSITION.

I WILL SAY THAT THIS LOT RIGHT HERE IS ALSO IN OPPOSITION.

SO WE HAVE TWO RIGHT NEXT TO EACH OTHER HERE.

UM, AND THEN WE HAVE THESE OTHER ONES.

THIS WAS A, A MAIL-IN ONE, BUT I MET WITH THE RESIDENT TODAY.

SHE FILLED OUT HER FORM AND WE DID ATTACHED HER EMAIL TO THAT, UM, OPPOSITION NOTICE.

UM, THIS IS A NOTICE THAT'S PROPERTY OWNER IS JUST OUTSIDE THE 200 FEET BETWEEN 200, 400 FEET AND THEN WE HAD ONE OUTSIDE.

AGAIN, THIS MAP DOESN'T IMPACT YOUR VOTING.

IT IS A MAP THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO COLLECT, UH, NOTICES IN FAVOR OR IN OPPOSITION, AND WE'LL USE THIS MAP TO BE ABLE TO NOTIFY THE COUNCIL THAT IF THERE'S ENOUGH YELLOW WITHIN THE BLUE THAT WILL GENERATE A PERCENTAGE OF THIS TOTAL PROPERTY AS 20%.

THAT WILL TRIGGER THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY COUNCIL SHOULD THEY ELECT TO APPROVE IT, TO HAVE TO APPROVE IT BY SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OF THE FULL COUNCIL, WHICH IS SIX OF THE SEVEN.

THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN IF A RECOMMENDATION FROM YOU IS SENT TO THEM FOR DENIAL.

YOU KNOW, WE CHANGED OUR REGULATIONS TO WHERE IT'LL BE SUPER MAJORITY VOTE OF THE, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL THAT ARE PRESENT.

UH, THIS, UH, PARTICULAR ZONING CASE IS IN PLACE SEVEN MAYOR PRO TIM LETICIA HUGHES STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND PD 1 45 IN ORDER TO ALIGN WITH THE CITY OF DE SOTO'S ADOPTED 2023 NASH FARM MASTER PLAN.

AND AGAIN, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL MAKE HIS PRESENTATION TO GO INTO MORE DETAILS.

I'LL ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ANY OF YOUR COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE AT THIS POINT.

IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, IT MIGHT BE BEST IF THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UM, HOLDS THEIR PRESENTATION UNTIL THE REGULAR SESSION.

WHERE AT SIX 30 AND WE HAVE THREE OTHER CASES.

UM, ONE QUICK QUESTION FROM ME, WHICH IS KIND OF TANGENTIAL.

IS THE MAIN FARMHOUSE FROM NANCE FARM, IS THAT ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC PLACES TO THE BEST OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE? NO, HE DOES NOT.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF, MR. RENELL AND MR. RENE? UH, YES.

MR. BREWER, I WAS WONDERING RELATIVE TO THE PARKING, YOU TALKED ABOUT HAVING PARKING OUTSIDE OF THE, THE VENUE AND THEN INSIDE YOUR PRESENTATION YOU SAID SMALL YVETTE AND, AND YOU SAID SMALL EVENTS IN THE PRESENTATION.

OH, SMALL EVENTS.

SO WHAT I'M WANTING TO KNOW IS HOW LARGE DO YOU THINK THE TYPES OF EVENTS THEY WOULD HAVE THERE? THERE'S NO WAY I CAN MAKE THAT, UH, DETERMINATION.

THIS ORDINANCE WAS CREATED BACK IN 2009 AND I, YOU KNOW, I WAS NOT HERE SO I ONLY CAN READ WHAT IS PRODUCED ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.

I DO NOT KNOW THE PROJECTION OF THE P AND Z AND COUNCIL AT THAT TIME.

AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS RELATIVE TO THE PARKING LOT BEING CRUSHED STONE, IS THAT JUST TO GO WITH THE ERA OF THE TIME AGAIN? I CANNOT.

SUBSTANTIATE WHAT THE OPINION OF THE COUNCIL WAS AT THAT TIME.

UH, I DO KNOW THE CONCRETE REQUIREMENT, UH, DID COME MUCH LATER.

IT IS ADDRESSED AS 6 1 6 WEST BELTLINE ROAD AND CONSISTS OF 1.47 ACRES OF LAND.

, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? HEARING AND SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO ON TO THE NEXT CASE.

ITEM NUMBER THREE ON THE AGENDA, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH ON A PROPERTY ZONE.

GENERAL RETAIL IN LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT FOUR BLOCK A THE MARK AT DESOTO EDITION, ALSO KNOWN AS 6 1 6 WEST BELTLINE ROAD.

THE APPLICANT IS WEIR AND ASSOCIATES AND THE OWNER IS S-E-C-B-W PARTNERS, LLC.

MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? CASE NUMBER Z 14 98 23 IS A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR REQUEST FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN SUP TO ALLOW FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.

THE PROPERTY IS LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT FOUR BLOCK A THE MARKET DISORDER EDITION.

THE APPLICANT IS WE AND ASSOCIATES.

THE OWNER IS S-E-C-B-W PARTNERS, LLC.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST BELTLINE ROAD AND IS APPROXIMATELY 565 FEET EAST OF SOUTHWEST MOIN MOORLAND ROAD.

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THIS IS THE LOCATION AND VICINITY MAP THE SUBJECT.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS VACANT AND THEY ARE VACANT PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND A AND A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE SOUTH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE EAST AND VACANT PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

THE FUTURE AND USE PLAN OF IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES USES AND THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE AND USE PLAN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE PROPERTY IS ACCESSED FROM WEST BELT LINE ROAD AND WEST BELT LINE ROAD IS A SIX LANE, A TWO YEAR ROAD.

ON THIS 2015 MASTER PLAN SECTION 36 POINT 10 REQUIRES AN SUP FOR RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THROUGH.

THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT IS RESTAURANT USES HARMONIOUS AND COMPATIBLE WITH EXISTING AND SURROUNDING FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THE PROPOSED USES ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH THE RETAIL USES THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED ON THE WASTES VACANT PROPERTIES.

ADDITIONALLY, A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH IS REASONABLE AND NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND RESTAURANTS ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT IN THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICTS.

FURTHERMORE, THE APPLICANT IS CONSTRUCTING AN EIGHT FOOT SCREENING WALL ALONG PROPER PROPERTY LINES THAT ARE BUS, THE MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCE TO THE SOUTH AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE EAST, THEREBY MITIGATING NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THOSE SURROUNDING AREAS.

OVERALL, THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT WITH DRIVE THROUGH DOES, DOES UPHOLD THE INTENT OF THE DISTRICT'S PURPOSES.

THE RE THE REQUEST FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH MEET SECTION 35.2 REQUIREMENTS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL MUST CONSIDER WHEN APPROVING SUP REQUESTS.

AND ON JUNE 22ND, 2023, THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPROVED THE APPLICANT'S VARIANCE REQUEST FROM SECTIONS 29.4 POINT B 0.4 TO ALLOW A CANOPY TO ENCROACH THE REQUIRED 25 FEET REAR YARD SETBACK.

AND THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT ALSO APPROVED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FROM SECTION 39.7 H TO ALLOW A FIVE FEET LANDSCAPE SETBACK ALONG EAST PROPERTY LINE INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED 10 FEET LANDSCAPE SETBACK OF THE CITY OF ZONING ORDINANCE.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATIONS AND ON ON SUNDAY JUNE THE 11TH 2023, A PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE FOCUS DAILY NEWS STAFF MAILED 24 NOTIFICATION ON THE PROPER TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

NO LETTERS WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR, WERE OPPOSITION TO THIS SITE, TO THIS APPLICATION.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR AN SUP FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH AS SUBMITTED AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU MS. RAZZI.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? MS. BROOKS, YOU GOOD? YES.

EAST OF NORTHWEST MORELAND ROAD.

UM, SEEING WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR VERY THOROUGH REPORT.

WE'LL DELVE INTO THIS IN THE REGULAR SESSION.

UM, THE SECOND TO LAST CASE THIS EVENING, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST BY APPLICANT APPLICANT CHAD ADAMS OF WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY REPRESENTING PROPERTY OWNERS WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY LIMITED AND HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL FARMS, LIMITED TO A MANNED PD ONE 60 IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT AREA FROM 2,500 SQUARE FEET TO 2260 SQUARE FEET FOR LOT 31 BLOCK A IN HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL DALE FARMS, PHASE TWO, ALSO KNOWN AS 2009 FLOOR LANE.

AND TO CHANGE THE LOT REQUIREMENTS FOR LOT WITHIN THE WESTERN SECTION OF TRACK 9.6 IN THE NAIL.

A SURVEY ABSTRACT 11 PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVED IS HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL DALE FARMS, EXCUSE ME, DANIEL FARMS PHASE THREE, ALSO KNOWN AS 2051 NORTH WESTMORELAND ROAD.

MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT, MR. BREWER, CHAIRMAN STONE AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER THE 15, 20 16.

THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE ORDINANCE 2066 DASH 16 CREATING A PLAN DEVELOPMENT ONE 60 WITH A BASE ZONING OF SINGLE FAMILY 10 ON APPROXIMATELY 102 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED SOUTH OF WEST DANIELDALE ROAD AND

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THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT WAS TO CONSTRUCT A PROPOSED GATED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIALS ON LOTS, NOT LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD CONSIST OF TWO PHASES.

PHASE ONE WOULD CONTAIN 103 LOTS AND PHASE TWO WOULD CONTAIN 173 LOTS.

UH, I WON'T GO INTO THIS REC THIS, BUT I'LL GO INTO IT DURING THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE ITSELF.

ON AUGUST THE FOURTH, 2020, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A SECOND ORDINANCE ORDINANCE NUMBER 2201 DASH 20 AMENDING AND RESTATING THAT PD ONE 60 BY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 52.421 ACRES TO THIS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SITE WITH APPROXIMATELY 16.25 ACRES OF THE 52 APPROXIMATE ACRES TRACK OF LAND TO BE CONSIDERED HOMESTEAD WEST AND THE REMAINING 36 POINT 17 TO BE CONSIDERED HOMESTEAD EAST.

UH, SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS, UH, THIS IS IMPORTANT SINCE THE CASE IS TALKING ABOUT HOMESTEAD WEST TONIGHT.

SO I WILL READ THIS.

UH, BASE ZONING FOR HOMESTEAD WEST SHALL BE DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH SINGLE FAMILY 10 SF 10 MINIMUM DWELLING UNITS THAT THE MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT IS 2,500 SQUARE FEET.

AND AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN SF 10, IT'S UH, REALLY A LOT SMALLER MINIMUM LOT WIDTH.

THE FOLLOWING LOT SHALL HAVE A MINIMUM LOT WIDTH OF 76.50 FEET, BLOCK, OLD LOTS, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR AND THEN GIVE THE INFORMATION ON THE GARAGES, WHICH IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THIS CASE TONIGHT.

UH, THE BASE ZONING, UH, THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT THE APPLICANT IS TRYING TO DO IS NOW GET THE REGULATIONS THAT HE HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR HIS DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST, WHICH IS HOMESTEAD EAST PHASES ONE AND TWO THAT IS BORDERED ON NORTHWEST MORELAND.

HE WANTS THOSE SAME REGULATIONS ESTABLISHED FOR THIS WESTERN SECTION OF PHASE THREE.

AND THOSE REGULATIONS ARE, IT SHALL BE DEVELOPED AT SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT.

UH, THE OTHER REGULATIONS WOULD BE, UM, THE MINIMUM LOT AREA IS 6,000 SQUARE FEET.

THE MINIMUM LOT WIDTH, 60 FEET.

THE MINIMUM FRONT BACK, UH, WHICH SHALL BE 20 FEET, THE MINIMUM SIDE SETBACK SHALL BE FIVE FEET.

THE MINIMUM REAR SETBACK SHALL BE 10 FEET.

AND AGAIN, THEY WANT THE SIMILAR, UH, GARAGE REQUIREMENT AS ALLOWED.

UH, FOR EAST.

THIS IS THE EXHIBIT B THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THE ORDINANCE.

UM, JUST TO TRY TO GIVE YOU ILLUSTRATION, THIS SECTION ON TOP IS ONE THAT IS TOTALLY CONSTRUCTED.

THIS SECTION HERE, IT'S ALMOST LIKE A V SHAPE.

THIS IS TWO, THIS SECTION IS WHERE THE ONE SINGLE LOT IS WHERE HE'S HAS BLOOMFIELD HOME RIGHT NOW BUILDING A SINGLE HOME THAT IS REQUIRING THE SECOND REQUEST THAT HE'S BRINGING FOR YOU TONIGHT.

AND I'LL STILL GO MORE INTO DETAIL.

PHASE THREE IS THIS LOWEST SECTION.

IT'S KIND OF A DIAMOND SHAPE.

IT'S GONNA BE ON THE BACK OF THOSE LOTS FROM TWO IN THIS REGION HERE AND EXTEND HERE.

THAT IS ALL OF THREE.

THEN THESE TWO ON THE EAST SIDE THAT BORDERS ON THE WEST SIDE OF WESTMORELAND ARE HOMESTEAD EAST PHASE ONE AND PHASE TWO.

BUT THIS LITTLE CORNER DOWN HERE IS WHAT HIS, UH, PRIMARY REQUEST IS THIS EVENING.

THAT'S THE REQUEST TO CHANGE THE, UM, DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS AND THE ONE LOT THAT'S IN, UH, PHASE TWO AND I HAVE MORE DRAWINGS TO SHOW YOU.

THIS IS THE CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UM, FROM THE DEVELOPER OF HIS PROJECTED VIEW IN, UH, FEBRUARY, 2022.

UH, HIS DESIGN LAYOUT HAS CHANGED.

IT, UH, WAS LOOKING A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON THE WEST SIDE, THE EAST SIDE OF PHASE.

I'M GONNA STILL CALL IT PHASE THREE EVEN THOUGH AT THIS TIME IT HAD NOT BEEN PRELIMINARILY PLATTED, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT WAS GONNA LOOK LIKE.

UM, WITH 20 SOMETHING WITH LOTS SIZED AT 10,000 SQUARE FEET ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT IN 2022, HE DID COME.

THE DEVELOPER CAME TO THE CITY WITH HIS PRELIMINARY PLAT AND THIS CONCRETELY INITIALLY DEFINES WHAT HE'S PROPOSING, I'M SORRY, PROPOSES, UH, GIVES A PRELIMINARY CONCEPTION OF WHAT HE'S TRYING TO DESIGN AND AS I SAID, IT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT FROM WHAT WAS, UH, BEFORE, WHICH WAS ONE WAY ENTRANCE.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE THREE CUL-DE-SACS KIND OF GOING TO THE SOUTHWEST.

AND THEN IT GOT CHANGED TO WHERE YOU SEE IT IS STILL THREE CUL-DE-SACS INTERNALLY, BUT THEY'RE JUST GEOGRAPHICALLY SHAPED A LITTLE DIFFERENT.

BUT THIS AGAIN IS THE AREA THAT, UH,

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THESE TWO SIDES HAD BEEN PRELIMINARY PLATTED.

SO THE APPLICANT'S FIRST REQUEST WAS RECEIVED ON MAY THE 22ND, 2020 THIRD.

UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE WESTERN SECTION OF HOMESTEAD PHASE THREE FROM 80 FOOT LOTS TO 60 FOOT LOTS IN ORDER TO REPLICATE THE LOTS LOCATED IN HOMESTEAD EAST PHASE ONE AND TWO.

WILDWOOD IS ALSO REQUESTING THAT THE PD D BE AMENDED TO SHOW THE ZONING DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS IN THIS WESTERN SECTION AS THE CITY HAS APPROVED FOR HIS, UH, HOMESTEAD EAST SECTION.

AND THAT'S WHAT I SPOKE ABOUT EARLIER.

UM, THE SMALLER LOT REQUIREMENTS, 6,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, 60 FOOT LOT WIDTH AND ET CETERA.

I HAVE NOTED THIS REQUEST WILL RESULT IN THE TOTAL NUMBER OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITHIN THIS SOUTHWEST SECTION OF HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL DALE'S BASE THREE ONLY INCREASING FROM 27 TO 35 BUILDABLE LOTS AND THE BASE LOT SIZE IS THEY'RE PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE 60 FEET TO 1 25.

NOW NOTE THAT'S WHAT IT WAS BACK ON THE 22ND.

UH, THE APPLICANT, UH, REPRESENTATIVE SPOKE WITH ME TODAY AND THEY ARE, UH, HAVE SUBMITTED ANOTHER CHANGE REQUEST, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE, BUT I NEED TO INTRODUCE IT TO YOU AT THIS POINT.

THIS WAS THE, UH, SITE DRAWING THAT GAVE THE INFORMATION THAT I SAID EARLIER, SO MANY BUILDABLE LOTS, UM, WITH UH, IN THIS REGION HERE.

SO THIS IS WHAT I WAS INITIALLY WORKING WITH WHEN I COMPLETED MY REPORT FOR YOU.

HEY, MR. BREWER, JUST TO CLARIFY ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THE PORTION THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED, THAT'S ONLY STATING ABOUT THE INCREASE IN LOT SIZE OR IS THERE OTHER INFORMATION IN THERE AS WELL? UH, WE CAN'T SEE THAT ON OUR PRESENTATION.

WHAT THAT SECTION READS IS AMENDED HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL DALE'S FARM PHASE THREE, SECTION ONE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, THE 35 BUILDABLE LOTS, 11.047 ACRES, AND THE BASE LOT SIZE 60 BY 1 25.

AND THIS IS FOR THEIR PD AMENDMENTS.

SO THIS IS WHAT THEY WAS PROPOSING SHOWING A 60 FOOT INSTEAD OF AN 80 FOOT WIDE LOT, UH, KEEPING THE DEPTH AT THAT POINT 125 AND GIVING US AN INDICATION HOW MANY BUILDABLE LOTS.

AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS, UH, SHOWING 35.

NOW IN JUNE 22ND, APPLICANT, UH, CHAD ADAMS SUBMITTED A SECOND LETTER TO THE CITY REQUESTING TO AMEND THE PD IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING CURRENTLY BEING INSTRUCTED BY BILL OF BLOOMFIELD HOMES IN BLOCK A LOT 31 AT 2009 FLOOR LANE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE REQUIRED BUILDING REQUIREMENT ESTABLISHED IN THE ORIGINAL PD ONE 60.

WILDWOOD IS REQUESTING THAT PD ONE 60 ALSO BE AMENDED TO ESTABLISH THE MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT AREA FOR THE SINGLE LOT AS BEING 2,260 INSTEAD OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET.

PLEASE NOTE THAT WITH THE CITY'S ZONING ORDINANCE ESTABLISHES THAT THE MINIMUM DWELLING STRUCTURES BUILT IN A SINGLE FAMILY 10 IS ONLY 2000 SQUARE FEET.

BECAUSE OF THIS REQUIREMENT, STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS AND SUPPORTS THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT REQUEST.

UH, THE REQUEST THAT ACTUALLY CAME TODAY, UH, SPEAKING WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE, UH, FROM THEIR COMPANY THAT THEY DESIRE TO CHANGE THEIR CONCEPT PLAN, AGAIN, ONLY THE WESTERN SECTION TO HAVE 36 BUILDABLE LOTS AND THE BASE LOT SIZE WOULD BE 60 FEET BY ONE 10 AND THE END OF THE ROADWAY WITHIN THIS WESTERN SECTION NOT BEING A CUL-DE-SAC, BUT BEING A STREET STUB OUT FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SITE TO THE WEST.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS DRAWING HERE SHOWS.

UH, THEY'VE ADDED LOTS WITHIN THIS AREA AND INSTEAD OF BEING A CUL-DE-SAC, THE DEAD ENDS HERE.

UH, FUTURE EXPANSION FOR THAT PROPERTY, UH, TO THE WEST WOULD ALLOW A SECOND INTEREST AND EXIT OUT WHENEVER IT IS DEVELOPED.

UH, THESE ARE THE TYPICAL DRAWINGS, AGAIN SHOWING THE LOCATION.

UH, THE FIRST ONE IS SHOWING YOU THAT SINGLE BLOCK THAT IS BEING REQUESTED TO HAVE THE MINIMUM BUILDING AREA REDUCED IN THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE ONE ON THE RIGHT IS THE, UH, SECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AGAIN, ACTUALLY THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR PHASE THREE IS TWO SECTIONS, BUT WE ARE ONLY DEALING WITH THE WEST AND MOST SECTION, UH, SOME UH, DALLAS COUNTY CENTRAL MAPS.

THE ZONING MAP ON THE LEFT, UH, SHOWS ALL THIS PURPLE AREA IS THE, UH, PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO, UH, STAFF, UH, FOLLOWING COUNCIL'S DIRECTION OF ENSURING THAT WE NOTIFY RESIDENTS OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

WE ACTUALLY EXTENDED OUR BOUNDARIES TO INCLUDE BOTH THE ENTIRE SECTIONS OF THIS, UH, PHASE THREE DEVELOPMENT SITE AND THUS WE SENT LETTERS OUT IN THE BLUE LETTERS OUT IN THE PURPLE TO 400

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FEET.

AND AS OF TODAY, WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY NOTIFICATIONS FOR OR AGAINST.

AND IN REALITY RIGHT NOW THE DEVELOPER, UH, OWNS THE MAJORITY OF THAT PROPERTY RIGHT NOW.

UH, THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN UH, UH, PLACE FOUR, WHICH IS COUNCIL MEMBERS ANDRE BYRD'S, UH, DISTRICT OR PLACE.

UH, I'VE INCLUDED PHOTOS, UH, TO SHOW YOU THE HOME IS BEING BUILT BY BLOOMFIELD.

UH, IT IS NOT A SMALL HOME, BUT THIS IS, I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE IT.

THIS IS THE FRONT VIEW.

UH, THE VIEW ON THE LEFT.

I'M LOOKING IN THE REAR YARD TO SEE, UH, IT DOES ALLOW FOR A REAR YARD THERE, THE VIEW ON THE, UH, RIGHT, I'M LOOKING FROM THE REAR LOOKING BACK UP TO THE STREET.

SO THERE IS UH, UH, UH, APPLICABLE SIDE YARD BETWEEN THE, THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THE NEXT PHOTOS, EXCUSE ME, ABUSE, LOOKING FROM THE STREET, JUST LOOKING AT THE PROXIMITY OF THIS HOME BEING BUILT TO THE OTHER HOME ON BOTH SIDES.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING IS ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND PD ONE 60 AS PRESENTED.

I'LL ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS, UH, YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU MR. BREW.

VERY THOROUGH.

LEMME GET SOME CLARIFICATION ON THIS.

SO THIS IS REALLY A TWO-PARTER, UM, AS IS WRITTEN ON THE AGENDA.

THE FIRST PART IS ADDRESSING, UM, SEVEN, SORRY, 2009 FLOOR.

THE HOME THAT YOU JUST SHOWED, THAT HOME IS APPROXIMATELY 140 SQUARE FEET TOO SMALL, 240 SQUARE FEET TOO SMALL.

AND THEN THE SECOND PORTION IS, UM, THEY'RE SHRINKING, UH, A FEW LOTS IN PHASE THREE.

YES SIR.

AND INCREASING THE DENSITY FROM 27 LOTS TO 35 LOTS.

THE LOT DEPTH IS STAYING THE SAME, BUT THE WIDTH IS BEING REDUCED FROM 80 TO 60 FEET.

IS THAT CORRECT? THE LOT DEPTH IS ALSO CHANGING.

THE LOT DEPTH IS CHANGING AS WELL.

WELL YES, IT HAD BEEN, UH, 1 25, THEY'RE GOING TO, I THINK I SAID ONE 10.

OKAY, SORRY.

SO CREATING A SMALL AND MORE DENSE AREA, BUT IN PROVIDING THAT, UH, THE, UM, THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING A DEVIATION IN HOME SIZES, SO THE HOMES WILL STILL BE AS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE UH, SF 10 N.

UNDERSTOOD.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? HEARING AND SEEING NONE.

BUT BOTTOM LINE, ONCE THEY REALIZED THAT THAT WAS A SCRIPT ERROR, THEY CAME BACK TO US AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE FILING THESE FOUR SEPARATE PLATS SO THAT THE 25 FOOT WILL BE ESTABLISHED AS THE FRONT BUILDING LINE AND THEY'LL CHANGE ONE OF THE SIDE ONES 25 TO THE 15, WHICH IS GONNA ESTABLISH THE SIDE BUILDING LINE.

THE FINAL CASE OF THE EVENING IS ON UH, AGENDA ITEM F1 REGULAR AGENDA.

CONSIDER AND REQUEST AN CONSIDER OR REQUEST BY APPLICANT CHAD ADAMS REPRESENTING DEVELOPER WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY AND PROPERTY OWNER KENDALE FARMS FOUR LIMITED TO APPROVE AMENDING PLATS LOT THREE BLOCK A LOT ONE BLOCK B AND LOT 18 BLOCK B AND LOT ONE BLOCK C IN THE KENDALE FARM PHASE FOUR EDITION WITH THE AMENDING PLATS BEING IDENTIFIED AS BEING LOT THREE R BLOCK A LOT 18 R BLOCK B, LOT ONE R BLOCK B AND LOT ONE R BLOCK C.

UM, THIS IS A CASE THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THIS DEALS WITH THE, THE ACCESS AT THE RETAINING POND, I'M ASSUME, I'M ASSUMING, BUT I'M, I'M SORRY SIR.

STAFF REPORT PLEASE IF YOU WOULD.

OKAY, MR. MR. BREWER, THIS ONE WILL BE QUICK.

AGAIN, WE'RE HERE.

UNFORTUNATELY STAFF DOESN'T HAVE THE AUTHORITY, UH, TO SIGN OFF ON THIS PLAT.

IT'S REALLY JUST CORRECTING A SCRIBNER AREA ERROR OF THAT SURVEYOR.

UH, LET ME JUST GO TO THE DRAWINGS THEMSELVES.

UH, THIS IS LOCATED IN, UH, COUNCILWOMAN DR.

DYNA MARK'S ZONING, UH, AREA DISTRICT FIVE, PLACE FIVE.

THE FINAL PLAN FOR THIS SUBDIVISION HAS BEEN APPROVED.

IT IS FILED WITH THE DALLAS COUNTY'S CLERK'S OFFICE.

UM, THIS IS THE ONE THAT WHEN WE BROUGHT IT TO YOU, WE IDENTIFIED THAT UH, THE APPLICANT STILL NEEDED TO COM.

THE DEVELOPER STILL NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE LIFT STATION AND HE HAD SOME MORE IMPROVEMENTS HE NEEDED TO DO AT THE OFFSITE DRAINAGE POND THAT'S IN THE CITY OF GLEN HEIGHTS.

UH, WE ALSO SAID THAT A PART OF THAT REQUIREMENT WITH THE APPLICANT HAS FULFILLED IS, UM, A CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PREPARED BOTH A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND A IM IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT.

AND ALSO PART OF THAT REQUIRED THE DEVELOPER TO PLACE AN ESCROW WITH THE ACCOUNT FOR THOSE UH, IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED BY THE CITY AND SO HE'S STILL DOING HIS IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WHAT HE HAS NOTED AFTER HE IS BEEN FILED IS HIS FOUR CORNER LOTS THAT I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOWS.

WHEN THE FINAL PLAT CAME TO YOU, AGAIN, YOU ARE THE ONLY AUTHORITY TO APPROVE FINAL PLAT IN THE CITY.

THEY DON'T GO TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT AT THAT TIME HIS SURVEYOR WAS SHOWING HIS CORNER LOTS TO HAVING A FRONT BUILDING LINE OF 25, WHICH IS THE PD REGULATION, BUT ALSO A SIDE YARD OF 25.

I HAVE TO ASSUME THAT AT THAT POINT MAYBE THEY DID NOT KNOW WHICH WAY THEY WERE GONNA FACE THEIR HOME,

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SO IT'S REALLY A SCRIBNER'S ERROR THAT, UH, THEY ARE REQUESTING, BUT OUR SUBDIVISION REGULATION ORDINANCE DOES NOT GIVE CITY STAFF THAT AUTHORITY TO SIGN OFF ON THIS, THESE FOUR AMENDED PLAT.

SO THESE ARE ALL FOUR SEPARATE CASES, UM, BUT IF YOU THEY MEET THERE WAS, UH, APPROVED BY A LICENSED SURVEYOR, THEY MEET OUR REGULATIONS OF ZONING, THE PD ITSELF AND OUR ZONING ORDINANCE.

AND I'LL ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. BREWER.

UH, WE'LL LOOK AT THIS AS A HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE AND WE'LL ADDRESS IT ACCORDINGLY.

UM, I'M GOING TO RESERVE COMMENTS ON THIS ONE UNTIL WE GET TO THE REGULAR SESSION TO GIVE US AMPLE TIME TO HANDLE OTHER BUSINESS IN BETWEEN MEETINGS.

UM, MS. MAZI, IS THERE ANY BUSINESS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT HAS NOT BEEN COVERED ON THIS AGENDA? NOT THAT WE I KNOW OF.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

DO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER TO LEAD US IN? WE DO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE.

GO RIGHT AHEAD, MR. BREWER.

UH, I WANNA REMIND YOU THAT THE ETHNIC ETHICS TRAINING IS REQUIRED, UM, ANNUALLY AND IT WILL BE HELD ON JULY 10TH THIS YEAR.

THAT IS A MONDAY.

IS THAT TRAINING AVAILABLE ONLINE OR IS IT IN PERSON? IT USUALLY IS, BUT I WILL FIND OUT FOR YOU.

THANK YOU MS. JORDAN WILLIAMS. UH, THE 18TH OF JULY IS A MONDAY.

DO WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER TO LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? THANK YOU MS. BROOKS.

UM, THE TIME IS 6 52.

WE'LL CLOSE THE WORK SESSION AND RECONVENE AT 7:00 PM THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PLEASE

[B. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

RISE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY COMMISSIONER TANYA BROOKS PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR SESSION OF THE CITY OF DESOTO PLANNING AND ZONING SESSION.

PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS.

GOOD EVENING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

TODAY IS TUESDAY, JUNE 27TH.

UH, THIS IS THE WE'RE

[C. REGULAR SESSION - CALL TO ORDER]

WE HAVE A FULL HOUSE TONIGHT, ALL SEVEN MEMBERS IN ATTENDANCE.

I WANNA PERSONALLY THANK EVERYONE FOR BRAVING THE HEAT OUTSIDE AND BEFORE WE GET STARTED, WE ARE GOING TO MAKE THREE CHANGES TO THE AGENDA AS FAR AS ORDER OF CASES.

IF YOU HAVE YOUR AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR AGENDA ITEM F1 FIRST, THE REGULAR AGENDA.

THE SECOND ITEM THAT WE'LL HEAR WILL BE AGENDA ITEM E FOUR WILL, THAT'LL BE THE SECOND CASE THAT WE HEAR AND THE THIRD CASE OF THE EVENING WILL BE AGENDA ITEM E THREE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HEAR IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PAPER AGENDA IN FRONT OF YOU, THE FIRST THREE CASES WILL BE THE LAST THREE CASES ON THE PAPER.

THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US.

ALSO, WE HAVE FOUR ITEMS ON THE PUBLIC HEARING AGENDA.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK WHEN THE TIMES IS FOR THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU CAN FILL OUT A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD, YOU CAN FIND THEM IN THE REAR OF THE ROOM.

THERE IS COUNCIL MEMBER DR. MARKS WAVING HER HAND.

SHE'S DOING DOUBLE DUTY THIS EVENING.

IF YOU FILL OUT A CARD, YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD FOR THE RECORD, UH, BACK TO BUSINESS.

THE

[D. CONSENT AGENDA Any item may be withdrawn from the consent agenda and acted on separately. Approval of the Consent Agenda authorizes the approval of each item in accordance with Staff Recommendations.]

FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA THAT NEEDS OUR ATTENTION IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MEETING MINUTES FROM THE MAY 23RD, 2023 PLANNING AND ZONING MEETING.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE MEETING MINUTES AS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED? MR. CHAIR? ALRIGHT AHEAD SIR.

UH, THE ONLY UH, MODIFICATION I WOULD REQUEST TO THE MEETING MINUTES IS WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE WORK SESSION UNDER ITEM E THAT WOULD BE THREE.

UH, JUST FOR UH, THE LAST SECTION THAT REFLECTS THE VOTE TO ACTUALLY REFLECT THAT THE, A'S WERE COMMISSIONER GILSTRAP BELL AND RNE AND THE NAYS WERE COMMISSIONER PUGH AND CAESAR.

OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO FURTHER MODIFICATIONS.

THANK YOU MR. PUGH.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, HEARING AND SCENE? NONE.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

SO DO MR. CHAIR BROUGHT, BROUGHT TO THE FLOOR BY COMMISSIONER GILSTRAP, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CAESAR.

ALL IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THE MEETING MINUTES WITH THE SUGGESTED CORRECTIONS BY COMMISSIONER PUGH.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE AYE.

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UM, SO AS PER MY PRIOR STATEMENT, WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOPSCOTCH WITH THE AGENDA TONIGHT.

THE

[1. Consider a request by applicant Chad Adams (representing developer Wildwood Development Company and property owner Kentsdale Farms 4, Ltd.) to approve amending plats for Lot 3 Block A, Lot 1 Block B, Lot 18 Block B and Lot 1 Block C in the Kentsdale Farm Phase Four Addition with the amending plats being identified as being Lot 3R Block A (Case No. FP-1237-23), Lot 18R Block B (Case No. FP-1238-23), Lot 1R Block B (Case No. FP-1239-23) and Lot 1R Block C (Case No. FP-1240-23).]

FIRST CASE THAT WE WILL HEAR WILL BE THE REGULAR AGENDA ITEM.

CONSIDER A REQUEST BY APPLICANT CHAD ADAMS REPRESENTING DEVELOPER WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY AND PROPERTY OWNER KENDALE FARMS FOUR LIMITED TO APPROVE AMENDING PLATS FOR LOT THREE BLOCK A LOT ONE BLOCK B, LOT 18 BLOCK B AND LOT ONE BLOCK C IN THE KENDALE FARM PHASE FOUR EDITION WITH THE AMENDING PLATS BEING IDENTIFIED AS LOT THREE R BLOCK A LOT 18 R BLOCK B LOT ONE R, BLOCK B AND LOT ONE R BLOCK C MR. BREWER, MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE.

HERE SHOWS CHAIRMAN STONE AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION ON APRIL THE SIXTH, 2021 THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL ORDINANCE NUMBER 2230 DASH 21 GRANTING A CHANGING ZONING FROM SINGLE FAMILY 10 TO PLANNED DEVELOPMENT WITH A BASE ZONING OF SF 10 RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT WITH THIS PD CALLED PD 180 2 AND DEVIATIONS FOR 17.555, EXCUSE ME, 17.558 ACRE TRACT OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING TRACK SIX AND SEVEN IN THE ABRAHAM HEART SURVEY ABSTRACT 5 63 AND GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF WEST PARKVILLE ROAD, EAST OF SOUTH COCKER HILL ROAD STREET ADDRESS 1304 AND 1306 MELANIE LANE.

IN GRANTING THE CHANGE IN ZONING, THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SITE WAS APPROVED TO CONSIST OF 54 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITH DEVIATIONS INCLUDING NO ALLEYS BEING REQUIRED WITHIN THIS DEVELOPMENT SITE ON APRIL THE 27TH, 2021.

THE PLANNING IS ONLY COMMISSIONED APPROVED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ONE TO ONE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER OF KINGSDALE FARMS FOUR LLC ON APRIL, MAY 18TH, 2021.

THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED BY A VOTE OF SEVEN TO ZERO.

THE PRELIMINARY PLAT OF KINGSDALE FARMS PHASE FOUR IS PRESENTED WITH THE PRELIMINARY PLAT BEING APPROVED.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS DEVELOPER WHILE WE'RE DEVELOPMENT COMPANY WAS ALLOWED TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION OF PUBLIC STREETS AND UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SITE ON APRIL 11TH, 2023.

THE PLANNING IS UNDER COMMISSION OFFICIALLY APPROVED THE FINAL PLAT OF KENDALE FARM PHASE FOUR BLOCKS A LOSS ONE TO THREE BLOCKS, B LOSS ONE TO SIX, A COMMON LOT, SEVEN X AND LOTS EIGHT THROUGH 23 AND BLOCK C LOTS ONE THROUGH 30.

WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THE DEVELOPER WOULD BE REQUIRED TO EXECUTE WITH THE CITY OF DESOTO, BOTH THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE LIFT STATION AND AN IMPROVEMENT AGREEMENT FOR THE REMAINING SILVER IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH BOTH PHASE FOUR DEVELOPMENT SITE AND THE OFFSITE DETENTION POND AREA.

ON MAY THE 22ND, 2023, THE APPLICANT REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION AND THE PROPERTY OWNER KINGSDALE FARMS FOUR SUBMITTED FOUR SEPARATE APPLICATIONS TO THE CITY REQUESTING TO HAVE SIDE YARD BUILDING LINES IN FOUR CORNER LOTS WITHIN THIS APPROVED SUBDIVISION CHANGED FROM BEING 25 FEET TO 15 FEET IN ORDER TO CONFORM WITH THE ZONING EXHIBIT MAP THAT WAS APPROVED WITH THE ORIGINAL PD 180 2.

THE FOUR LOTS ARE LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LOT THREE BLOCK A, WHICH IS CASE NUMBER FP 12 37 23 LOT 18, LOT B CASE NUMBER FP 12 38 23 LOT ONE BLOCK ONE CASE NUMBER FP 12 39 23 AND LOT ONE BLOCK C CASE FP 1240 DASH 23 IN THE KENDALE FARM PHASE FOUR EDITION SECTION 10.2 16 VACATING PLATS, RE PLATS AND AMENDING PLATS.

SUBSECTION B THREE A ESTABLISHES THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAY APPROVE AN AMENDING PLAT WHICH MAY BE RECORDED AS CONTROLLED OR THE PRECEDING PLAT WITHOUT VACATION OF THAT PLAT.

IF THE MENDING PLAT IS SIGNED BY ALL OWNERS AND IS TO CORRECT ANY TYPE OF SCRIPT OR CLERICAL ERROR OR OMISSION PREVIOUSLY APPROVED, THE FOUR SUBMITTED AMENDED PLATS WERE PREPARED BY A LICENSED LAND SURVEYOR.

THE FOUR SUBMITTED AMENDED PLA HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY STAFF AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF APPROVED PD 180 2 AND THE CITY SUBDIVISION REGULATIONS AND ZONING ORDINANCES.

AN AGENDA ITEM HAS BEEN PLACED ON THE P AND Z'S COMMISSIONS MEETING TONIGHT.

IN ORDER FOR YOUR COMMISSION TO OFFICIALLY CONSIDER THE APPLICANT'S FOUR SUBMITTED AMENDED PLAT REQUEST, UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN PLACE FIVE, WHICH IS COUNCILWOMAN DR.

DINER MARKS DISTRICT.

I'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE A COPY OF THE APPROVED FINAL PLAT AND SPECIFICALLY I HAVE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW THOSE FOUR CORNER LOTS WHERE THOSE SCR ERRORS OCCURRED

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AND I'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE THE ACTUAL FOUR SUBMITTED, UH, AMENDED PLATS WITH THE CORRECTED SIDE YARD BEING CHANGED FROM 25 TO 15 FEET ON ALL FOUR OF THE SUBMITTED AMENDED PLATS.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING IS UNDER COMMISSION APPROVE THE AMENDED PLATS FOR LOTS, B BLOCK A LOTS ONE AND 18 BLOCK B AND LOT ONE BLOCK C IN THE KINGSDALE FORM PHASE FOUR EDITION AS SUBMITTED WITH THE AMENDED PLATS TO BE TITLED AS LOT THREE R BLOCK A, WHICH IS CASE FP 12 37 23 LOT 18 R BLOCK B, WHICH IS CASE FP 12 38 23 LOT ONE R BLOCK B, WHICH IS CASE FP 1239 DASH 23.

AND FINALLY LOT ONE R, WHICH IS BLOCK C CASE NUMBER FP 1240 DASH 23.

I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.

VERY THOROUGH.

UM, WE COVERED THIS JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO IN THE WORK SESSION, SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS IS MORE OF A HOUSEKEEPING ISSUE THAN AN ACTUAL CH AN ACTUAL CHANGE IN THE PLATS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BREWER OR THE STAFF IN GENERAL? EXCUSE ME.

HEARING AND SCENE.

NONE.

UH, WE HAVE THE POWER TO TAKE THIS ON OUR OWN HANDS.

SO, UH, COMMISSIONERS DO WE HAVE, I I'M, EXCUSE ME, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION IN REGARDS TO AGENDA ITEM F1 AS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED.

I DON'T WANNA READ ALL THE NOMENCLATURE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

GO RIGHT AHEAD MS. BROOKS.

I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THE AMENDING PLANS.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR FROM MS. BROOKS.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECONDED BY MR. RNE.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE.

SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA FOR THIS EVENING IS ACTUALLY AGENDA ITEM E FOUR.

THOSE OPPOSED.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE NAY.

THE MEASURE HAS PASSED BY A VOTE OF SIX TO ONE.

THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

THE

[4. Conduct Public Hearing and consider request by applicant Chad Adams of Wildwood Development Company (representing property owners Wildwood Development Co. Ltd. and Homestead at Daniel Farms Ltd.) to amend Planned Development-160 (PD-160) in order to: 1) reduce the minimum dwelling unit area from 2,500 sq. ft. to 2,260 sq. ft. for Lot 31, Blk. A in Homestead at Daniel Farms Phase 2 (2009 Flora Lane); and 2) change the lot area requirements for lots within the western section of Tract 9.6 in the Nel A. Survey, Abstract 11 (Preliminary Plat approved as "Homestead at Daniel Farms Phase 3" - 2051 N. Westmoreland Road). ]

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A REQUEST BY APPLICANT CHAD ADAMS, A WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY REPRESENTING PROPERTY OWNERS.

WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY LIMITED AND HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL AT DANIEL FARMS. LIMITED TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD ONE 60 IN ORDER TO ONE, REDUCE THE MINIMUM DWELLING AREA FROM 2,500 SQUARE FEET TO 2,260 SQUARE FEET FOR LOT 31 BLOCK A AND HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL DALE AT DANIEL FARMS PHASE TWO, ALSO KNOWN AS 2009 FLOOR LANE AND TO TWO CHANGED THE LOT AREA REQUIREMENTS FOR LOTS WITHIN THE WESTERN SECTION OF TRACT 9.6.

THEN THE NAIL LA SURVEY, ABSTRACT 11, ALSO KNOWN AS PRELIMINARY PLAT APPROVED AT HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL FARMS PHASE THREE ADDRESS 2051 NORTHWEST MORELAND ROAD.

MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES, SIR.

CHAIRMAN STONE AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

ON NOVEMBER 15TH, 2016, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCE 2066 DASH 16 CREATING PLAN DEVELOPMENT ONE 60 WITH A BASE ZONING OF SINGLE FAMILY 10 ON APPROXIMATELY 102 ACRES OF LAND LOCATED SOUTH OF WEST DANIELDALE ROAD AND EAST OF NORTHWEST MOLAND ROAD.

THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT WAS TO CONSTRUCT A PROPOSED GATED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FOR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTS ON LOTS, NOT LESS THAN 10,000 SQUARE FEET.

THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL CONSIST OF TWO PHASES.

PHASE ONE WILL CONTAIN A 103 LOTS, AND PHASE TWO WOULD CONTAIN 173 LOTS.

THE APPROVED ORDINANCE ESTABLISHED, UH, THE FOLLOWING, THAT THE PROPERTY WOULD BE USED IN DEVELOPING ACCORDANCE WITH THE UH, CITY'S SF 10 ZONING DISTRICT.

THE MINIMUM DWELLING UNIT AREA SHALL BE 2,500 SQUARE FEET INSTEAD OF THE 2000 SQUARE FEET AS REQUIRED BY SF 10 DWELLING REGULATIONS, NO TREES SURVEY WILL BE REQUIRED, NO ALLEYS WILL BE REQUIRED.

A SIX FOOT MAINTEN WALL, UH, SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED ALONG THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE ADJOINING WEST DANIELDALE ROAD.

THE MASONRY WALL SHALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE HOA, THE DEVELOPER SHALL CONSTRUCT A RIGHT TURN LANE OFF OF DANIELDALE ROAD AT THE WEST ENTRANCE TO DEVELOPMENT.

A MANDATORY HOA SHALL BE ESTABLISHED AND CREATED TO ASSUME AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONTINUOUS AND PPE OPERATION OF THE SUBDIVISION AND THE MAINTENANCE AND SUPERVISION OF THE COMMON PROPERTIES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE BRICK WALLS.

TUBULAR STEEL FENCE, LANDSCAPING AND IRRIGATION SYSTEM, DETENTION POND, AND OTHER COMMON AREAS IN THE SUBDIVISION.

ON AUGUST THE FOURTH, 2020, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCE 22 DASH 2201 DASH 20 AMENDING AND RESTATING PD ONE 60 BY ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 52.421 ACRES TO THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SITE WITH APPROXIMATELY 16.25 ACRES OF THE 52.42

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ACRE TRACK OF LAND TO BE CALLED HOMESTEAD WEST AND THE REMAINING 36 POINT 17 ACRES TO BE CALLED HOMESTEAD EAST.

SOME OF THE, UH, DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH HOMESTEAD WEST ARE THE BASE ZONINGS DISTRICT AGAIN WOULD BE BE SF 10, WHICH IS THE SAME AS IN PHASES ONE AND TWO.

THE MINIMUM DWELLING SIDE WOULD BE THE SAME AS WAS IN, UH, PHASES ONE AND TWO OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET MINIMUM LOT WIDTH.

THE FOLLOWING, UH, LOT WIDTH, UM, 16, EXCUSE ME, 76 POINT 50 FEET, WHICH WILL BE ONLY BLOCK O LOTS, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR.

AND, UH, INFORMATION ON THE GARAGES, WHICH IS NOT APPLICABLE AT THIS POINT TO THIS ZONING CASE.

SOME OF THE DEVIATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH HOMESTEAD EAST ARE THE BASE ZONING DISTRICT HERE WOULD BE DEVELOPED TO THE SF EIGHT ZONING DISTRICT.

ALSO, THE DEVIATION REQUEST IS TO REDUCE THE LOT SIZES CONTRARY TO WHAT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE SFH, WHICH WILL CREATE MINIMUM LOT AREA SIZES OF 6,000 SQUARE FEET, LOT WIDTH, 60 FEET FRONT SETBACK, 20 FEET, INTERIOR SIDE SETBACK, FIVE FEET, REAR SETBACK 10 FEET.

AND HERE, UH, IN EAST FOR BOTH ONE AND TWO IS A HUNDRED PERCENT FRONT FACING GARAGE WOULD BE ALLOWED.

I'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE, UH, THE ATTACHMENT B ONE THAT IDENTIFIED WHAT THIS, UH, ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT WOULD BE.

AS I MENTIONED IN YOUR WORKSHOP, THIS TOP SECTION IS FULLY DEVELOPED.

THIS IS, UH, HOMESTEAD PHASE ONE.

THIS NEXT SECTION HAS A LITTLE V-SHAPE.

IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW.

UH, THE FINAL PLAT HAS BEEN APPROVED.

THIS IS, UH, SECTION, UH, TWO AND PHASE THREE IS THIS LOWER SECTION.

IT'S ACTUALLY TWO SEPARATE TRACKS OF LAND.

AS, AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE THIS WESTERN SECTION AND THEN THIS EASTERN SECTION, BUT ALL OF THIS IS CONSIDERED WEST.

THEN ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SITE ADJACENT TO NORTHWEST MOLAND, THIS IS WHAT'S CONSIDERED EAST PHASE ONE IS AT THE BOTTOM, PHASE TWO IS AT THE TOP, BUT THIS IS THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2020.

THIS IS, UH, A CHANGE THAT WAS MADE BY THE DEVELOPER, UH, FOR THE PROPERTY ON THE WEST.

AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK AND SHOW YOU THAT AT THAT TIME IT SHOWED ONE INTEREST AND THREE CUL-DE-SACS THAT KIND OF VEERED TO THE SOUTHWEST.

AND INTERNALLY THEY DECIDED TO MAKE THE CHANGE TO WHERE STILL ONE INTEREST, BUT THE THREE CUL-DE-SACS WERE SHAPED A A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

UH, THIS WESTERN SECTION OF THIS WEST SECTION REMAINED THE SAME, AND THIS WAS IN, UH, FEBRUARY, 2022.

THIS IS AN INTERNAL DOCUMENT OF THE DEVELOPER.

WHEN THE DEVELOPER, UM, BROUGHT HIS PRELIMINARY PLAT TO THE CITY, UH, OFFICIALLY WISE, IT CAME TO YOUR BOARD.

FIRST YOU APPROVED IT.

IT THEN WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND ON JANUARY THE 19TH, 2022, THE PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR HOMESTEAD DANIEL DALE'S PHASE THREE WAS APPROVED.

AND AS YOU COULD SEE ON THIS WESTERN SECTION, THEY FOLLOWED THEIR DESIGN PLAN OF CHANGING, UH, THE LOCATIONS OF THE CUL-DE-SACS.

BUT THIS BECAME THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE FOR THEM TO, UH, PROCEED WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT PROJECT FOR BOTH, UH, THIS LEFT WEST SIDE AND THIS EAST SIDE.

BUT AGAIN, REMEMBER WHEN I SAY EAST, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT HOMESTEAD EAST, WHICH IS ON THIS FARTHER SIDE.

SO IT'S A NICE CASE THAT'S CONSIDERING THIS WESTERN SECTION OF PHASE THREE, THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST.

NUMBER ONE.

ON MAY THE 22ND, 2023, APPLICANT CHAD ADAMS OF WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT COMPANY SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR APPROVAL OF CHANGE OF ZONING AMENDMENT TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT, REQUESTING TO CHANGE THE WESTERN SECTION OF HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL DALE'S PHASE FOUR FROM 80 FOOT TO 60 FOOT WIDE LOTS IN ORDER TO REPLICATE THE LOTS APPROVED BY THE CITY IN THE HOMESTEAD EAST PHASES ONE AND TWO.

WILDWOOD IS ALSO REQUESTING THAT PD ONE 60 BE AMENDED TO SHOW THE ZONING DISTRICT FOR THAT WESTERN SECTION OF PHASE THREE AS BEING DEVELOPED UNDER SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT INSTEAD OF SINGLE FAMILY 10, WHICH IS IN SECTIONS ONE AND TWO WITH THE FOLLOWING DEVIATIONS.

THE BASE ZONING FOR THIS HOMESTEAD SECTION, UH, WILL BE DEVELOPED WITH SINGLE FAMILY EIGHT LOT AREA 6,000 FEET WIDTH, SIX FEET FRONT SETBACK, 20 FEET INTERNAL SIDE SETBACK, FIVE FEET REAR SETBACK, 10 FEET FRONT FACING GARAGE SHALL BE ALLOWED ON A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE DEVIATIONS.

AND THAT LANGUAGE IS FOLLOWING WHAT THE CITY APPROVED FOR HIS EAST ONE AND TWO, I HAVE NOTED THIS REQUEST CHANGE WILL RESULT IN THE TOTAL NUMBER SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN THE SOUTHWEST SECTION OF HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL DALE'S PHASE THREE, ONLY INCREASING FROM 27 TO 35 BUILDABLE LOTS WITH A PROPOSED BASE LOT SIZE TO BE 60 FOOT WIDE, 125 FOOT DEEP.

WHILE I'VE WRITTEN THAT THERE,

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ONE OF MY NEXT SLIDES WILL ACTUALLY SHOW THAT THAT IS BEING CHANGED.

WHILE I'LL DISCUSS THAT WHEN I GET TO THAT SLIDE, I'VE INCLUDED HERE A COPY OF THE DEVELOPER'S, UH, CONCEPT PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED TO STAFF, UH, IN MAY, MAY OF THIS YEAR.

AND IT DOES SHOW, UH, WHAT'S PROPOSED ON THAT WEST MOSTS SECTION HERE.

APPLICANT'S REQUEST NUMBER TWO ON JUNE THE 22ND, 2023, THE APPLICANT'S REPRESENTATIVE HAS SUBMITTED A SECOND LETTER TO THE CITY REQUESTING TO AMEND PD ONE 60 IN ORDER TO ADDRESS THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING CURRENTLY BEING CONSTRUCTED BY BILL OF BLOOMFIELD HOMES IN BLOCK A LOT 31 AT 2009 FLORAL LANE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE MINIMUM BUILDING REQUIREMENT ESTABLISHED IN THE ORIGINAL PD ONE 60.

WILDWOOD IS REQUESTING THAT PD 60 ALSO BE AMENDED TO ESTABLISH A MINIMUM DWELLING AREA FOR THIS SINGLE LOT AS BEING 2,260 SQUARE FEET INSTEAD OF 2,500 SQUARE FEET THAT WAS APPROVED BY PD ONE 60.

PLEASE NOTE THAT WITH THE CITY'S ZONING ORDERS, ESTABLISHING THAT THE MINIMUM DWELLING SIZE FOR STRUCTURES BUILT IN A SINGLE FAMILY, 10 ZONING DISTRICT BEING 2000 SQUARE FEET STAFF HAS NO CONCERNS AND SUPPORTS THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT REQUEST.

APPLICANT'S AMENDMENT REQUEST NUMBER ONE, AMENDED REQUEST NUMBER ONE, UH, ON JUNE 27TH TODAY, STAFF WAS INFORMED BY A REPRESENTATIVE FROM WILDWOOD THAT THEY HAVE CHANGED THE CONCEPT PLAN FOR AGAIN, ONLY THIS WESTERN SECTION TO HAVE 36 BUILDABLE LOTS INSTEAD OF 35.

AND THE BASE LOT SIZE CHANGED FROM 60 BY 1 25 TO BE 60 BY ONE 10 AND THE END OF THE ROADWAY WITHIN THIS WESTERN SECTION NOT BEING A CUL-DE-SAC AND DEAD END, BUT BEING A STREET STUB OUT FOR FUTURE EXPANSION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT SITE TO THE WEST.

THIS IS THE DRAWING.

IT STILL SHOWS A SINGLE ROAD COMING IN FROM PHASE TWO.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER BEFORE, UH, THIS HAD BEEN A CUL-DE-SAC, BUT IT IS NOW GONNA BE AUB OUT FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS PROJECT HERE.

SO THESE ADDITIONAL RESIDENTS WILL AT SOME POINT HAVE TWO MEANS OF ACCESS AND EGRESS GOING THROUGH PHASE ONE AND TWO AND THROUGH THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT SITE.

ALSO, AGAIN, THIS SECTION OF PHASE THREE IS NOT BEING REQUESTED FOR AMENDED AMENDMENT AT THIS TIME.

I HAVE ATTA INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE, THE TYPICAL MAPS FROM, UH, DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT IS SHOWING THE SINGLE LOT IN THE FINAL PLAT APPROVED SECTION TWO THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING BUILT BY BLOOMFIELD.

AND ON THE RIGHT, AS I INDICATED EARLIER, PHASE THREE ACTUALLY IS TWO SEPARATE TRACKS OF LAND AND WHAT'S BEING ASKED FOR AMENDMENT TONIGHT IS ONLY THIS WESTERNMOST PORTION OF THIS SECTION.

AGAIN, SOME TEMPORARY LOCATE, SOME LOCATION MAPS TO HELP, UH, BETTER SHOW VISIBLY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS AREA.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT, LEFT IS A ZONING ORDINANCE.

THIS PURPLE AREA SHOWS THE ENTIRE AREA THAT'S CONSIDERED PD ONE 60.

UH, YOU SEE THE PLATTED LOTS OF PHASE ONE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT AND THUS IS SHOWN ON DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

PHASE TWO IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT HAS BEEN FINAL PLATTED.

THEY DON'T SHOW THE LOTS AND BLOCKS, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN APPROVED.

AND THEN THIS LOWEST SECTION DOWN HERE IS PHASE THREE.

AND AGAIN, JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS IS HOMESTEAD EAST AT BORDERS, UH, WEST MORELAND.

THE THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS OUR NOTIFICATION MAP FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UH, WE HAVE COMPLIED WITH OUR CITY COUNCIL'S REQUEST TO ENSURE THAT WE REACH OUT TO AS MANY RESIDENTS THAT WE CAN.

SO WHAT MY STAFF DID WAS ACTUALLY NOT JUST SEND OUT PUBLIC NOTICES TO THIS WESTERN SECTION OF THIS ENTIRE PHASE THREE.

WE TOOK THE ENTIRE PHASE THREE AND THUS SENT PROPERTY NOTICE OUT TO EVERYBODY WITHIN 200 FEET, WHICH IS THE BLUE LINE AND THE PURPLE LINE, WHICH IS OUT TO 400 FEET.

UH, KIND OF OUR RECORDS SHOW THAT DEVELOPER CURRENTLY OWNS MOST OF THIS, MOST IF NOT ALL OF THIS PROPERTY EXCEPT FOR THE PROPERTY, UM, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN, UH, PLACE FOUR, UH, WHICH IS THE DISTRICT FOR COUNCILMAN ANDRE BIRD.

I'VE INCLUDED SOME, UH, PHOTOS TO HELP SHOW YOU THE HOME BEING BLOOM, UH, BUILT BY BLOOMFIELD, UM, JUST IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, IS NOT A SMALL HOME.

UH, WHEN WE THINK ABOUT A DEVIATION GOING FROM 25, UH, STILL TO 22, AGAIN, IT'S GREATER THAN WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES FOR A SINGLE FAMILY.

10 DESIGNATION.

THIS IS THE FRONT VIEW, LOOKING FROM THE STREET, UH, THE, THE PHOTO ON THE LEFT IS LOOKING AT THE REAR YARD.

AS YOU SEE, IT'S A A A, A NICE REAR YARD.

THE PHOTO ON THE RIGHT, I'M LOOKING FROM THE REAR YARD BACK UP TO THE FRONT.

THIS VIEW HELPS YOU TO SEE HOW WIDE THE SIDE YARD REQUIREMENT IS AND

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ALSO ITS PROXIMITY TO ITS NEIGHBORS.

THE NEXT TWO PHOTOS ARE JUST FRONT VIEWS, SO YOU CAN GET A A, A REFERENCE OF OF THE SIDE YARDS BETWEEN THE TWO HOMES AND ALSO ON, ON THE, UH, BOTH THE SOUTH AND THE NORTH SIDE.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING IS UNDER COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT ONE 60 AS PRESENTED.

THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO ADDRESS ANY DETAILED QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE.

I'LL ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU HAVE ON MY STAFF REPORT.

THANK YOU, MR. BREWER.

SO THAT'S A WHOLE LOT TO COVER.

IN ONE CASE.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, FOR PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FAMILIAR WITH THIS CASE AND THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WE'RE ASKING FOR TWO DISTINCT ITEMS, UM, AS IS WRITTEN ON THE AGENDA, THE FIRST ITEM IS ADDRESSING THE LOT, ALSO KNOWN AS 2009 FLOOR LANE.

THEY'RE ASKING FOR A DEVIATION OF ROUGHLY 240 SQUARE FEET ON THE FINISHED PRODUCT THAT EXCEEDS THE CITY'S MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS IN THE ORDINANCE FOR SF 10, BUT IS ABOUT 240 SQUARE FEET SHORT OF WHAT THE PD REQUIRES.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR.

OKAY, PERFECT.

AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM DEALS WITH THE WESTERN PORTION OF PHASE THREE, NOT THE ENTIRETY OF IT, AND THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO REDUCE THE LOT SIZES.

UM, THE LOT WIDTH WILL REDUCE FROM 80 FEET TO 60 FEET AND THE LOT DEPTH WILL BE REDUCED FROM 125 FEET TO 110 FEET, WHICH WILL ADD AN ADDITIONAL, UH, EIGHT LOTS.

SO FROM 27 IT, I THINK IT'S 10 LOTS TOTAL FROM 10 LOTS TOTAL.

WE ORIGINALLY HAD, YES, SIR.

GOT IT.

SO 35 LOTS TOTAL IN THAT WESTERN PORTION OF PHASE THREE, WHICH WILL MATCH THE EASTERN PORTION OF PHASE THREE.

NO, IT MATCH NOT THE EAST POSTON OF PHASE THREE, BUT GO FURTHER TO THE EAST.

MM-HMM, , THE SECTIONS THAT THEY CALL HOMESTEAD EAST ONE AND TWO THAT BORDERS NORTHWEST WESTMORELAND WESTMORELAND, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THEN PLUS ADD A STUB OUT FOR A FUTURE EXPANSION OF THE ROAD IN LIEU OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.

NOW THAT WE'RE ALL CLEAR ON THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BREWER AND THE STAFF? UH, LOOKS LIKE MR. RENELL, YOU ARE UP FIRST MS. CAESAR, YOU'RE UP NEXT.

MR. BREWER, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE BEFORE THE CUL-DE-SAC WAS CHANGED TO THE STREET? OKAY, SO IF I'M CORRECT, IT'S 36, A TOTAL OF 36 LOTS BECAUSE IT, YOU, YOU BROUGHT THE, THEY'RE BRINGING THE ROAD OUT, BUT THEY'RE TURNING THAT INTO TWO LOTS.

THIS IS A TOTAL OF 36.

DID I READ THAT SOMEWHERE? YES, SIR.

OKAY, SO IT'S A TOTAL OF 36, NOT 35.

35 WAS THEIR FIRST REQUEST.

AND TONIGHT THEY'RE ASKING FOR 36 ULTIMATELY? YES.

MS. CAESAR, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT, MA'AM? NO, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

NO.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? THANK YOU MR. BREWER.

CHAIRMAN STONE COMMISSIONERS.

WE'LL NOW TAKE THE TIME TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS CASE.

ANYONE IN THE CITY OF DESOTO, UH, BE IT RESIDENT, UH, BUSINESS ENTITY OR INTERESTED PARTY, HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THIS COMMISSION AND SPEAK DIRECTLY AT THE DAIS OR HAVE A COMMENT ENTERED INTO THE RECORD.

UM, IF YOU WOULD WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS COMMISSION OR HAVE A STATEMENT READ ON THE RECORD, YOU CAN FILL OUT A PUBLIC COMMENT CARD.

YOU CAN SEE DR.

DYNA MARKS IN THE REAR OF THE ROOM.

OUR COUNSEL PERSON WITH THEIR HAND RAISED AND FILL OUT A CARD IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK.

UM, IF THE APPLICANT IS IN THE AUDIENCE AND THEY WISH TO ADDRESS THIS BODY, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO SO.

THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED TO DO SO, BUT NOW WOULD BE THE TIME.

GOOD EVENING.

IF YOU WOULD, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND CITY OF RESIDENCE FOR THE RECORD? YES, SIR.

COMMISSIONER STONE.

UH, EXCUSE ME.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING US HERE TONIGHT.

UH, MY NAME IS STEVEN TRET.

I LIVE AT 37 48 VINE CREST DRIVE, DALLAS, TEXAS.

NOW, BLOOMFIELD HAS SINCE WORKED IT OUT WITH THE HOMEOWNER AND WE'RE JUST SIMPLY ASKING FOR A VARIANCE ON THAT HOME AS IT IS CURRENTLY 2,260 SQUARE FEET.

PLEASE CONTINUE.

UH, YES SIR.

SO, UM, AS STATED BY MR. BREWER, THANK YOU, UH, VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT, SIR.

UH, WE HAVE TWO REQUESTS BEFORE YOU.

UM, FIRST REQUEST IS A HOUSE THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING BUILT THAT'S SLIGHTLY UNDERSIZED.

IF YOU NOTICED IN THAT PICTURE, IT'S A JW HOME THAT WAS INTENDED TO BE AN EXTENDED JW.

THAT IS WHAT THE CUSTOMER ORDERED.

THERE WAS A, YOU KNOW, CLERICAL ERROR, IF YOU WILL, IN THE BUILDING DOCUMENTS.

THOSE BUILDING DOCUMENTS WERE PRESENTED TO THE CITY AND APPROVED, AND ULTIMATELY NOT THE EXTENDED VERSION WAS BUILT.

SO, AND NOT BUILDING THE EXTENDED VERSION, IT FELL UNDER THAT 2,500 FOR REQUIREMENT.

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JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IS THAT PROPERTY CURRENTLY UNDER CONTRACT? I BELIEVE IT IS.

UM, THOUGH I DO NOT KNOW THAT TO BE A HUNDRED PERCENT, WHETHER HOW THEY WORKED OUT WITH THE, UM, POTENTIAL HOMEOWNER THAT ORDERED IT, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS YES, SIR, IT'S, THANK YOU.

PLEASE CONTINUE.

UM, SO PART TWO OF OUR REQUEST IS, UM, REFERENCE TO THE SLIDE WE HAVE BEFORE YOU, UH, INITIALLY AS UH, STATED BY MR. BREWER, WE HAD THREE CUL-DE-SACS, AND IN THAT LAYOUT IT PRODUCED, UM, 25 HOMES WITH AN 80 FOOT BUILDING FRONT AND A 2,125 FOOT DEPTH.

UM, WHILE WE WERE WORKING WITH BLOOMFIELD IN OUR, UH, HOMESTEAD AT DANIEL FARMS PHASE TWO, THEY CAME TO US AND THEY SAID, WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE GOING TO SOME OF OUR OTHER LOCATIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A SMALLER HOME.

SO WE HAVE HOMESTEAD EAST FACES ONE AND TWO WITH THOSE SMALLER HOMES.

IF WE COULD HAVE A FEW MORE, WE'VE RETAINED SOME OF THESE PEOPLE AND IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF RETIREES COMING FROM CALIFORNIA.

MANY OF THEM EX-MILITARY ARE JUST LOOKING FOR A SMALLER PLACE, SOMETHING THAT'S MORE MANAGEABLE FOR THEM TO NOT ONLY TO AFFORD, BUT TO MAINTAIN.

AND IN DOING SO, WE KIND OF RETOOLED THAT, UH, CORNER, INITIALLY KEPT THE THREE CUL-DE-SACS AND MADE IT 35 LOTS.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY WE WANTED TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL, UH, ROAD STUB OUT AND, AND ADJUSTING THAT ROAD PRODUCED THE SPACE FOR ONE ADDITIONAL LOT AT 36.

UH, SO THAT IS OUR REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HEARING.

IF YOU, IF YOU CAN JUST KEEP A SPOT FOR A SECOND.

DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? STEVEN? YOU MAY HAVE.

UM, AND DID I SPEAK TOO SOON? I'M JUST CURIOUS.

UH, THESE ARE TWO, ARE THEY PACKAGED AS ONE AND ALL OR NOTHING OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DIVIDED? AND MAYBE THAT'S FOR YOU, MR. BREWER.

I BROUGHT IT TO YOU SEPARATELY.

THAT'S WHY IT SAYS NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, THANK YOU MR. URICH.

YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT.

COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MM-HMM, , IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD WISH TO SPEAK ON THE RECORD OR HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD ON THIS PARTICULAR ZONING CASE? FINAL CALL.

WE'LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THE ZONING CASE FOR CASE, EXCUSE ME, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1 4 9 8 DASH 23 AT 7:31 PM COMMISSIONERS, ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WE NEED TO BE HAD BEFORE I CALL FOR A MOTION? OKAY.

I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION.

UM, MS. BROOKS, DO YOU WANNA DO THE HONORS? IT SEEMS LIKE YOU HAVE SOME THOUGHTS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO PUT ON THE RECORD.

I'LL PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, DIDN'T I? , I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF, UH, I JUST LOST MY PLACE HERE.

GOODNESS GRACIOUS.

UM, CONDUCT, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WILDWOOD DEVELOPMENT.

MAKE THIS EASY.

AGENDA ITEM E FOUR AS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. CHAIR? UM, HOLD ON JUST A MOMENT.

UM, MS. CAESAR, I THINK MR. BREWER WAS ABOUT TO CORRECT SOMETHING.

I JUST WASN'T SURE WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA BRING HIM SEPARATE YOUR MOTION, YOU'RE BRINGING IT ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.

YEAH, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

I, I, I BELIEVE I STATED AS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED.

SO THAT WOULD BE PARTS ONE AND PARTS TWO FOR CLARIFICATION.

MS. CAESAR, DO YOU STILL WISH TO OFFER A SECOND? YES, SIR.

UH, TURN ON YOUR MIC FOR ME, MA'AM.

I SECOND.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

ALL IN FAVOR OF AGENDA ITEM E FOUR AS WRITTEN AND PRESENTED.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE.

WE HAVE VOTES FROM.

ALL OPPOSED, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE NAME.

AMEN.

THE MEASURE HAS PASSED SIX TO ONE.

PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR AN SUP FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH AS SUBMITTED.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

UH, THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS

[3. Conduct a Public Hearing and consider a Specific Use Permit (SUP) request to allow a Restaurant with a Drive Thru on a property zoned General Retail (GR) and legally described as being Lot 4, Block A, The Mark At DeSoto Addition (616 W. Belt Line Road). The applicant is Wier & Associates and the owner is SECBW Partners, LLC. (Case No. Z-1498-23)]

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AGENDA ITEM E THREE.

CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT REQUEST TO ALLOW A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE-THROUGH ON A PROPERTY ZONED GENERAL RETAIL AND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LOT FOUR BLOCK A THE MARKET DESOTO EDITION, ALSO KNOWN AS 6 1 6 WEST BELTLINE ROAD.

THE APPLICANT IS WEIR AND ASSOCIATES AND THE OWNER IS S-E-C-B-W PARTNERS, LLC.

MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS BEST WITH THE PLANNING DIVISION.

CASE NUMBER Z 14 98 23 IS A REQUEST FOR A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN SUP TO ALLOW FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH THE PROPERTY'S LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT FOUR BLOCK A THE MARK A DE SOTO EDITION.

THE APPLICANT IS WE AND ASSOCIATES AND THE OWNER IS S-E-C-B-W PARTNERS, LLC.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF WEST BELTLINE ROAD AND APPROXIMATELY 565 FEET EAST OF SOUTHWEST MO MOORLAND ROAD.

IT IS ADDRESSED AS 6 1 6 WEST BELT LINE ROAD AND CONSISTS OF 1.47 ACRES OF LAND.

THIS IS THE LOCATION IN AREA MAP.

THE SUBJECT SITE IS VACANT AND THEY ARE VACANT PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE SOUTH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE EAST AND A VACANT PROPERTY TO THE WEST.

THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE SITE PLAN IS SUITABLE FOR NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES AND THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE PLAN OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

THE PROPERTY HAS ACCESS FROM WEST BELT LINE ROAD AND WEST BELT LINE ROAD IS A SIX SIX LANE ARTERIAL ON THE 2015 MASTER PLANT.

AGAIN, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN SUP TO ALLOW FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH.

AND SECTION 36.10 REQUIRES AN SUP FOR RESTAURANTS WITH DRIVE THROUGH.

THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT USES AMONS AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING AND SURROUNDING MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY USES TO THE SOUTH AND EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

THE PROPOSED USES ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH THE RETAIL USES THAT WILL BE DEVELOPED ON THE WEST VACANT PROPERTIES.

ADDITIONALLY, A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH IS REASONABLE AND NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS AND RESTAURANTS ARE ALLOWED BY RIDE IN THE GENERAL RETAILS ZONING DISTRICTS.

FURTHERMORE, THE APPLICANT IS CONSTRUCTING AN EIGHT FOOT SCREENING WALL ALONG PROPERTY LINES THAT ARE BUS THE MULTIFAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE SOUTH AND SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCES TO THE EAST, THEREBY MITIGATING NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

OVERALL, THE PROPOSED RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH DOES UPHOLD THE INTENT OF THE GENERAL RETAIL ZONING DISTRICT PURPOSES.

THE REQUEST FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH ALSO MEETS THE SECTION SECTION 35.2 REQUIREMENTS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL MUST CONSIDER WHEN APPROVING SUP RE REQUEST ON JUNE 22ND, 2020 23.

THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPROVED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FROM SECTIONS 29.4 POINT B 0.4 TO ALLOW FOR A CANOPY TO ENCROACH THE REQUIRED 25 FEET REAR YARD SETBACK.

AND ALSO THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT APPROVED THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FROM SECTION 39.7 H TO ALLOW A FIVE FEET LANDSCAPE SETBACK ALONG THE EAST PROPERTY LINE.

INSTEAD OF THE REQUIRED 10 FEET LANDSCAPE SETBACK OF THE CITY OF OF DISORDERS ZONING DISTRICT.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THIS, THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATION PLANS AND ON SUNDAY, JUNE, JUNE 11TH, 2023, A PUBLIC NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE FOCUS DAILY NEWS STAFF MAILED 24 NOTIFICATIONS OF PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 AND 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT SITE.

NO LETTERS WERE RECEIVED IN FAVOR IN OPPOSITION TO THIS REQUEST.

AND THE, ON THE, ON THE RIGHT SIDE IS THE, UM, ZONING MAP AND NOTIFICATION MAP.

THE AREA IN BLACK IS THE SITE, THE AREA IN, IN BLUE IS THE 200 FEET AND THE AREA IN PAPER IS THE 400 FEET.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE

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AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO AVAILABLE SHOULD I FAIL TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU MS. RAZZI, I'M PRETTY SURE YOU'LL ANSWER EVERYTHING THAT WE ASK YOU.

UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THAT THOSE THAT MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PARTICULAR PARCEL, THE PARCEL TO THE DIRECTLY TO THE WEST, THAT'S THE ONE THAT THIS COMMISSION PREVIOUSLY APPROVED FOR A COFFEE SHOP, CORRECT? THE PARCEL DIRECTLY TO THE WEST? YES.

OKAY, GOT IT.

IN ADDITION, IT'S ACTUALLY TWO BUSINESSES TO THE WEST.

UH, THAT BLOCK TO THE WEST IS LOT THREE.

IT IS A PROPOSED COFFEE SHOP PLUS AN EMERGENCY MEDICAL FACILITY.

MM-HMM, .

THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

UM, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MS. RAZZI AND THE STAFF? YES, GO RIGHT AHEAD MS. BROOKS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT, MS. ZI ON THIS SLIDE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN, ON THE LEFT PICTURE, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE DRIVEWAY, THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

UM, AND AS OUR CHAIR MENTIONED, IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT IS ANOTHER RESTAURANT, WELL, A COFFEE SHOP.

AND THAT COFFEE SHOP WILL HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH AS WELL, CORRECT? I BELIEVE SO.

THE STARBUCKS AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW, THEY HAVEN'T, UH, SUBMITTED THEIR, UM, I'M, YES.

YEAH, THEY GOT A SUP.

YEAH, I'M SORRY.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE APPROVED.

UM, SO I GUESS MY, MY QUESTION IS FROM AN EXCESS MANAGEMENT, UH, PERSPECTIVE, IS THIS NEW RESTAURANT PROPOSING A NEW CURB CUT OR IS THERE PLANS TO SHARE THIS EXISTING CURB CUT FOR THEIR DRIVEWAY THAT THEY WILL BE HAVING ACCESS FROM THE DRIVEWAY, THAT DRIVEWAY THAT GOES TO THE, TO THE APARTMENT? BECAUSE I COULDN'T REALLY SEE THE SITE PLAN.

SO IF YOU WANNA GO TO SLIDE 11 AND POINT OUT WHERE THAT ACCESS IS, THOSE ARE THE TWO ACCESS POINTS.

THEY, AND THEY'RE STRAIGHT FROM THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH FROM A BELT LINE.

THEN THEY HAVE, THOSE ARE TWO DRIVEWAYS FROM, UH, THE DRIVE, THE DRIVE THAT GOES TO THE SOUTH TO THE APARTMENTS COMMISSIONER BRUCE.

UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE USING THE EXISTING ENTRANCE OFF OF BELTLINE.

THERE WOULD BE NO NEW CURB CUTS.

UH, THE FINAL PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THAT ENTIRE SITE, EVEN BEFORE THE APARTMENTS WERE BUILT, ESTABLISHED THAT COMMON ACCESS DRIVE COMING OUT OF THE APARTMENT LOT AND ALSO THE COMMON DRIVEWAY THAT GOES EAST TO WEST TO GO ALL THE WAY OVER TO SEVEN 11.

AND THAT'S, I JUST WANT TO CON CONFIRM THAT IF APPROVED TONIGHT, WE ARE APPROVING IT WITHOUT, UH, ANY CONCERNS THAT AN ADDITIONAL CURB CUT FOR A NEW DRIVEWAY WILL BE REQUESTED AND OR APPROVED.

CORRECT.

AND IT'S ALSO, UH, THAT RIGHT OF WAY IS CONTROLLED BY TDOT.

CORRECT.

A PART OF THAT PLAT HAD TO GET APPROVED BY THEM.

ALRIGHT, THAT WAS MY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU MS. BROOKS.

I HAVE A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

ARE WE NOT ALLOWED TO ASK WHICH RESTAURANT IS IT'S YEAH, THE EFFICIENT IT'S ON THE PRESENTATION.

I MISSED THAT ONE TOO.

OBJECTION, YES, MA'AM.

BUT, AND YOU'RE FREE TO ASK WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE TO ASK ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? MS. BROOKS, ARE YOU SATISFIED, MA'AM? YES, SIR.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MS. RAZZI.

WE'LL TAKE THIS TIME TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS CASE.

IT'S 7:42 PM UM, AS ALWAYS, INTERESTED PARTIES, RESIDENTS, BUSINESS ENTITIES, THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD FOR THE RECORD OR TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THIS COMMISSION.

UM, IF THE APPLICANT IS IN THE AUDIENCE, NOW IS THE TIME FOR THEM TO ADDRESS THIS COMMISSION.

IF THEY SO CHOOSE, THEY ARE UNDER NO REQUIREMENT TO DO SO.

UM, BUT IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO PROVIDE ANSWERS.

ALSO, IF YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE AND YOU'D WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT A COMMENT REQUEST CARD.

YOU CAN SEE DR.

DYNA MARKS IN THE REAR OF THE ROOM.

FILL OUT A CARD AND WE'LL GIVE YOU YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE RECORD OR SAY YAY OR NAY.

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO APPROACH THE LECTERN AND BE HEARD ON THIS PARTICULAR CASE? UH, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS COMMISSION? GOOD EVENING, MA'AM.

HOW ARE YOU? I'M GREAT.

HOW ARE Y'ALL DOING? DOING GREAT.

IF YOU COULD DO ME A FAVOR, STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND JUST YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE.

ACHARYA CHAIA ACHARYA, A-C-H-A-R-Y-A.

UH, PRIYA CHARIA, FORT

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WORTH, TEXAS.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

FORT RIGHT AHEAD.

UM, I'M THE APPLICANT, PRIYA CHARIA WITH WEIR AND ASSOCIATES.

WE ARE CIVIL ENGINEERS ON BEHALF OF CHICK-FIL-A.

WE ARE EXCITED TO PRESENT THIS, UH, ZONING CASE TO THE CITY OF DESOTO.

UM, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I THINK WE'VE HAD AN EXCELLENT PRESENTATION, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'LL BE GLAD TO ANSWER THEM.

UM, COULD YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME FOR ME AGAIN ONE MORE TIME, MA'AM? YES.

MS. CHARIA, I THINK THAT MS. BROOKS WAS ALLUDING EARLIER TO SOME POTENTIAL TRAFFIC CONCERNS.

WITH THERE BEING ONE INGRESS AND EGRESS OUT OF THE SITE.

HAVE YOU CONDUCTED A TRAFFIC STUDY? I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PARTICULAR FRANCHISE IS USUALLY PRETTY GOOD AT MANAGING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, BUT WE'VE ALSO SEEN SOME LOCATIONS THAT ARE NOT VERY GOOD AT MANAGING VEHICULAR TRAFFIC.

SO AS CHICK-FIL-A HAS GROWN, UM, TRAFFIC IS UNDERSTANDABLY A CONCERN.

THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION ACTUALLY HAS THREE OVERALL POINTS OF ACCESS.

THIS ONE THAT YOU SEE OFF OF BELTLINE ROAD.

THERE'S ONE FURTHER WEST ON BELTLINE ROAD ALONG AN EXISTING PAVED DRIVE VIAL.

AND THEN ALSO IT CONNECTS TO WESTMORELAND ALL CONNECTED VIA ACCESS EASEMENT.

SO, UM, THERE ARE MULTIPLE WAYS TO GET TO THE SITE.

THIS PARTICULAR SITE LAYOUT WAS LAID SUCH THAT THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES ARE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE PRIMARY DRIVEWAY.

UM, THIS SITE PLAN AND OUR PROPOSED LAYOUT SHOWS TWO DRIVE-THROUGH LANES WITH, WITH AN ADDITIONAL SEGMENT FOR, UM, ADDITIONAL STACKING IF NEEDED NEAR THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE.

THE ENTRANCE TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO IF THERE NEEDS TO BE ANY OVERFLOW IT'S OCCURRING ON THE PROPERTY.

UM, COMPARED TO OTHER OLDER CHICK-FIL-A RESTAURANTS, THIS SITE HAS A PRETTY LONG AMOUNT OF STACK AVAILABLE AND THE TWO CONTINUOUS, UM, DRIVE THROUGH LANES.

WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT'S YOUR TOTAL STACKING CAPACITY? SO, AND DO YOU KNOW ROUGHLY THIS SITE PLAN HAS ABOUT 31 VEHICLES AVAILABLE IN TWO LANES, AND THEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR ABOUT FOUR MORE VEHICLES TO STACK IN THAT, UM, SECTION ON THE NORTH SIDE.

SO ROUGHLY 35 CARS ON THE SITE? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.

IN DEDICATED LANES? YES, MA'AM.

UM, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MS. CHARIA? AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT'S 35 LANES WITHOUT, UM, INFRINGING ONTO THE ROADWAY? THAT'S CORRECT.

AND DID YOU SAY THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT FROM WESTMORELAND? YES, I BELIEVE, UM, THE ACCESS EASEMENT CONTINUES FURTHER WEST TOWARDS WESTMORELAND.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. GILSTRAP? GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR.

PERHAPS I'M THE ONLY PERSON THAT VISIT THAT AREA EVERY DAY AND I AND CHICK-FIL-A IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE RESTAURANTS.

EXCELLENT.

HUH? THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN STACK 35 CARS IN THAT LITTLE BREEZEWAY AND HAVE TRAFFIC BACKED UP.

AND THEN CHICK-FIL-A IS GOOD AT HAVING PEOPLE OUT THERE TAKING ORDERS FROM THE CARS.

AFFECT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX? UH, THE TRAFFIC, UH, THERE GONNA HAVE TO MEET EACH OTHER COMING AND GOING.

AM I RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

OR IT'S GONNA BE A MESS.

, THAT'S ALL.

ANYTHING FURTHER, MR. GILSTRAP? I SIT MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU SIR.

UH, MR. CHARIA, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU COULD DO ME A FAVOR AND TURN OFF THAT MICROPHONE WHEN YOU LEAVE THE LECTER AND HIT THAT BUTTON.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

UH, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE AUDIENCE? HEARING AND SEEING NONE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS CASE AT 7:47 PM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN OF THE COMMISSION FURTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, OR DISCUSSION? MR. RAAV? NOW GO RIGHT AHEAD.

YES, JUST A DISCUSSION POINT.

IF I COULD JUST ASK MS. BROOKS WITH HER EXPERIENCE AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS, ARE THERE THOUGHTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A CURVE OUT TO SO CARS CAN EXIT OUT DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS OR I, I GUESS I'M THINKING OF IT FROM AN EXCESS MANAGEMENT AND, UM, PEDESTRIANS AND JOGGERS ALONG BELTLINE ROAD AND NOT PROVIDING AN ADDITIONAL CURB CUT, UM, THAT MAKES IT UNSAFE FOR THAT CONTINUOUS, UH, MOVEMENT FOR PEDESTRIANS, NOT NECESSARILY FOR VEHICLES TAKING A LONGER TIME TO GET OUT OF THE DRIVE THROUGH.

I MAY HAVE SHOULDA ASKED THIS OF THE APPLICANT, BUT HOW IS THE TRAFFIC GOING TO

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COMMISSIONER, THE REALITY, IT IS A DEDICATED AS A PUBLIC ACCESS DRIVE.

UH, TRAFFIC GOES BOTH DIRECTIONS, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IN AND OUT OF THAT PARTICULAR GATE.

UM, SO DRIVERS COMING TO THE CENTER WOULD ALMOST GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE DRIVEWAY AND RIGHT BEFORE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GET TO THE GATE IS WHEN YOU GO INTO THE, UH, THE LOWER ENTRANCE CLOSEST TO, UH, THE GATE, TO THE APARTMENTS NEAR THE, UH, TRASH DUMPSTERS.

THERE'S ALSO AN ADDITIONAL E UH, INGRESS ON WESTMORELAND JUST SOUTH OF THE INTERSECTION.

BUT I THINK THAT'S A, THAT'S A THREE LANE INGRESS EGRESS, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN ON WESTMORELAND FOR THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

AND JUST LASTLY, DO WE KNOW IF THE APARTMENT COMPLEX HAS OTHER EXITS BESIDE COMING TO THE ONE TOWARD BELTLINE? YES, THEY DO.

OFF OF, UH, WESTMORELAND, THAT'S THE PRIMARY ENTRANCE.

THE ENTRANCE THAT HAS THE, UM, THE MAIN OFFICE.

THANK YOU MR. BUR.

ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION? OKAY.

HEARING AND SCENE NONE ON AGENDA ITEM E THREE.

UH, DO WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'D LIKE TO PRESENT A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION? GO RIGHT AHEAD, MS. BROOKS.

UM, ON CASE NUMBER Z 1 49 8 DASH 23, I MOVE THAT WE FOLLOW STAFF RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR A SUP FOR A RESTAURANT WITH A DRIVE THROUGH, UH, AS SUBMITTED.

THANK YOU MS. BROOKS.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECONDED BY MR. PUGH.

ALL IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE.

IN TERMS OF CASE HISTORY, IN APRIL, 2021, THE APPLICANT PROPOSED AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY AND PLANNING AND ZONING DENIED THE APPLICATION BY VOTE OF SEVEN ZERO.

ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE NAY.

THE MEASURE PASSES SIX TO ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

ALL RIGHT, NOW LET'S JUMP BACK INTO THE REGULAR DIRECTION OF OUR AGENDA.

THANK YOU FOR BEARING WITH US.

SO WE HOP SCOTCHED AROUND A LITTLE BIT.

[1. Conduct Public Hearing and consider making a recommendation to the City Council on an applicant's request to rezone a 10.29-acre tract of land legally described as being Lots 1A, 1B, 2 and 3 in the Four Acres Addition and generally located at the southwest corner of W. Belt Line Road and S. Elerson Road (100 S. Elerson Rd., 1112 W. Belt Line Road, 1116 W. Belt Line Road) from existing General Retail (GR) to Planned Development (PD) with base zonings of General Retail (GR) and Single-Family Attached (SFA) Residential with deviations in order to allow for a mixed-use (horizontal) development with Single Family Attached Residential (Townhomes) and Retail/Commercial uses. The applicant is Daake Law, LLC and the property owner is DeSoto MBM2, LLC. (Case No. Z-1494-23).]

UH, CASE ON THE AGENDA.

E ONE, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON A APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REZONE A 10.29 ACRE TRACT OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING LOTS ONE A, ONE B TWO, AND THREE IN THE FOUR ACRES EDITION.

AND GENERALLY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WEST BELTLINE ROAD AND SOUTH ELLERSON ROAD, ALSO KNOWN AS 100 SOUTH ELLERSON ROAD.

1112 WEST BELTLINE ROAD.

1116 WEST BELTLINE ROAD FROM EXISTING GENERAL RETAIL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE BASE ZONING OF GENERAL RETAIL AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL WITH DEVIATIONS IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR MIXED USE, HORIZONTAL DEVELOPMENT WITH SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED RESIDENTIAL TOWN HOMES AND RETAIL SLASH COMMERCIAL USES.

THE APPLICANT IS DOCK DACA LAW FIRM AND THE PROPERTY OWNER IS DESOTO M BM TWO LLC.

MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT PLEASE? YES.

UH, CASE NUMBER Z 14 94 23 IS A PD REQUEST FROM GENERAL RETAIL TO GENERAL RETAIL AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED IS BASED ZONING DISTRICTS.

THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH GENERAL RETAIL AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED TO A SPACE ZONING DISTRICT WITH DEVIATIONS.

THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF WEST BELTLINE ROAD AND SOUTH ELLISON ROAD.

THE PROPERTY ADDRESSED THERE.

THERE'S 100 SOUTH ELLISON ROAD 1 1 1 2 AND 1 1 1 6 WEST BELTLINE ROAD AND IS 10.285 ACRES IN SIZE.

THE APPLICANT IS DI LAW LLC AND THE OWNER IS DESOTO, MBM TWO LLC.

THIS IS THE LOCATION AND UH, VICINITY MAP.

THE PROPER CURRENT IS ZONED GENERAL RENTAL AND IT IS VACANT PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND EAST ARE ZONED SINGLE FAMILY 10 WITH EXISTING HOMES.

PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH ARE ZONED PD 1 23 WITH THE EXISTING HOMES, THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS ZONED SF 10 AND IT IS VACANT.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS SITE IS SUITABLE FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AND THE PROPOSED RETAIL AND TOWN HOMES ARE NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE.

PLAN OF THE 2015 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE PROPERTY IS ACCESS FROM WEST BELT LINE ROAD, A SIX LANE ARTERIAL ROAD ON THE 2015 MASTER THE PLAN, THE PROPERTIES ALSO ACCESSED FROM SOUTH ELLISON ROAD, A LOCAL ROAD THAT IS NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE MASTER.

THE PLAN

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IN AUGUST, 2021, A PLANT DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION WAS PRESENTED BEFORE THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION WITH AN AVERAGE LOAD SIZE OF 5,330 SQUARE FEET.

AND THE COMMISSION DENIED THE PD REQUEST BY A PHOTO OF 3 2 2.

THE APPLICANT APPEALED THE COMMISSION'S DECISION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND IN SEPTEMBER, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL DENIED THE PD APPLICATION REQUEST BY A PHOTO OF 4 2 3.

AT THE MOMENT, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING TO REASON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM GENERAL RETAIL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH GENERAL RETAIL AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED BASED ZONING DISTRICTS TO ALLOW FOR, FOR REASONAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING 62 TOWN HOMES, ONE PLAYGROUND, AND TWO RETAIL LOTS.

THE APPLICANT IS VOLUNTEERING SOME ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT DEVELOPERS WILL HAVE TO SELECT FROM TO ENHANCE THE TOWN ON FRONT FACADE, WHICH INCLUDE FRONT PORCH FACADE, ARTICULATIONS, SHUTTERS, DORMERS, AND CANOPIES AMONG OTHERS.

THE APPLICANT, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROHIBITING CERTAIN USES IN A RETAIL PORTION OF THE PD THAT ARE DEEMED DETRIMENTAL TO THE TOWN HOMES AND SURROUNDING HOMES.

THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING FOR THE FOLLOWING DEVIATIONS THE LOT AREA FROM 300 THAT NO 3000 SQUARE FEET TO 2,300 LOT DEPTH FROM A HUNDRED FEET TO 95 FEET MINIMUM FRONT YARD FROM 25 TO 20 FEET, MINIMUM SIDE YARD FROM 15 TO 10 AND NO ALLEYS AND RIGHT AWAY RIGHT OF WAY FROM 50 FEET TO 40 FEET.

AND STAFF DOES NOT SUPPORT THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REDUCE AS SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED LOT AREA REQUIREMENT IN SECTION 23 POINT 23 OF THE CITIZEN ZONING ORDINANCE STAFF DOES NOT ALSO SUPPORT THE REQUEST TO REDUCE THE RIGHT OF WHEREWITH FROM 50 FEET TO 40 FEET.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.

THIS IS THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLANT.

THESE ARE THE PROPOSED ELEVATION IMAGES.

AND ON JUNE 20, JUNE 11TH, 2023, A NOTICE WAS PUBLISHED IN THE FOCUS DAILY NEWS STAFF MAILED SEVEN FIVE NOTIFICATIONS TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 TO 400 FEET OF THE SUBJECT'S SIDE.

NO LETTERS WE RECEIVED IN FAVOR AND ONE LETTER WAS RECEIVED IN SENT TO THIS REQUEST.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO REASON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FROM GEN, THE EXISTING GENERAL RETAIL TO PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH GENERAL RETAIL AND SINGLE FAMILY ATTACHED BASED ZONING DISTRICTS.

AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.

THE APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT IS ALSO AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS THAT I MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER AND I THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MS. RAZZI, IF YOU CAN DO ME A FAVOR AND GO BACK TWO SLIDES, UM, TO THE SITE PLAN OR MAYBE THREE SLIDES TO THE SITE PLAN.

SORRY.

WELL, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH ON THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN.

UM, THE REDUCTION IN RIGHT OF WAY, IF YOU COULD USE YOUR LASER POINTER AND KIND OF DICTATE WHERE THAT PROPOSED REDUCTION OF RIGHT OF WAY IS.

PAVING WIDTH OF 28 OR 29, BUT AGAIN, THAT REDUCES THE AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE LAND USAGES ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD.

ALL THESE, UM, ALL THESE, UM, ACCESS ROADS TO THE, TO THE APARTMENTS, TO THE TOWN HOMES, THEY'RE PROPOSED TO BE 50, UH, 14 INSTEAD OF 50.

SO ESSENTIALLY ON EACH THOROUGHFARE AND WHAT THEY'RE SAYING, OH, JUST CLARIFY THAT FOR US, FOR THOSE THAT AREN'T WELL AS WELL VERSED AS SAY MS. BROOKS OR WHO DON'T HAVE CIVIL ENGINEERING DEGREES, JUST BREAK THAT DOWN FOR US.

IN, IN, IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, ESSENTIALLY I'LL HAVE MY BOSS, UH, DO THAT.

HE'S THE ENGINEER.

COME ON MR. BREWER.

GIVE IT TO US.

, CHAIRMAN, STONE AND COMMISSIONERS, OUR UH, PAVING DESIGN MANUAL ESTABLISHES THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH AS 50 FEET HERE IN THE CITY OF DESOTO WITH A PAVING WIDTH FROM CURB TO CURB OF APPROXIMATELY 28 FEET.

WHAT THIS ESTABLISHES IS A PAVING WIDTH AND THEN A CURB AREA OF ABOUT A FOOT, WHICH WOULD GIVE ABOUT 10 FOOT OF SHOULDER RIGHT OF WAY AREA ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREETS IN ORDER FOR, UM, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE UTILITIES TO BE INSTALLED.

OUR WATER METERS, OUR FIRE HYDRANTS AND ET CETERA, IN REDUCING THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH TO 40, THE APPLICANT HAS IDENTIFIED HE'S STILL PROPOSING TO HAVE THE SAME

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PLUS THE APPLICANT IS ALSO REQUESTING A REDUCTION IN HIS FRONT YARD ALSO.

SO THE FRONT OF HIS STRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THE, THE CURVED PAVING AREA.

SO PAVING MANUAL SAYS 50 FEET WITH A 28 OR 29 FOOT WIDTH HE'S GIVING PROPOSING TO GIVE, UH, THE PAVING WIDTH BUT REDUCE IT ON BOTH SIDES OF THE, UH, ROADWAY.

AND THIS IS FOR ALL THOROUGHFARES WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT? I I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S ALL OF 'EM.

UH, WE'LL LET THE APPLICANT ADDRESS.

I THINK IT'S JUST, UM, THE, THE APPLICANT IS HERE AND HE'LL BE ABLE TO ADDRESS 'CAUSE I THINK, UH, THERE IS A 50 FOOT ONE WHERE SHE'S SHOWING NOW, EXCUSE ME, THIS ONE HERE IS 50.

THIS ONE IS WRITTEN TO SHOW 40 RIGHT OF WAY.

AND AGAIN, I CAN'T SEE THIS ONE, BUT THE APPLICANT IS HERE, YOU KNOW, HE CAN DEFINITELY ADDRESS HIS RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH AND CONFIRM WHETHER I'M RIGHT OR WRONG OR UNDERSTANDING THE, UH, PAVING WIDTH.

OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION AND BREAKDOWN OF, OF RIGHT AWAY.

WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? , COME ON MS. MUNZA, YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY FROM US.

OH, YOU HAVE TO RESPECT YOUR BOSS.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? THANK YOU MS. RAZZI.

YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT, MA'AM.

ALRIGHT, WE WILL TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 8:00 PM YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS SPIEL PREVIOUSLY.

THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE YOUR VOICE HEARD FOR THE RECORD.

UM, I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN MA'AM.

OH, SO WE DO HAVE TWO COMMON CARDS, ONE FROM THE APPLICANT AND I'M HAVING ISSUE READING THE OTHER NAME.

SO, UM, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.

IF THE APPLICANT WISHES TO ADDRESS THIS COMMISSION, NOW IS THE TIME.

PLEASE APPROACH THE LECTERN, TURN ON THE MICROPHONE.

STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND JUST YOUR CITY OF RESIDENCE.

GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME GENTLEMEN.

HIT THE BUTTON FOR ME.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

VERY PLEASED TO BE WITH YOU THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.

UM, MY NAME IS ROB DKE MCKINNEY, TEXAS ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT THIS EVENING.

UM, A A A NUMBER OF THINGS AND, AND, AND LEMME JUST START WITH A, A BRIEF STATEMENT ABOUT WHO I AM AND WHAT I DO.

UM, I'M AN ATTORNEY AND A LICENSED CIVIL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF TEXAS.

I SPENT 12 YEARS OF MY CAREER WORKING FOR A METROPLEX COMMUNITY AND I, AND I RAISED THAT ISSUE ONLY TO MAKE THIS POINT.

I TRY VERY HARD TO WORK WITH MY CLIENTS TO BRING PROJECTS INTO COMMUNITIES THAT RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE THE KINDS OF PRESSURES THAT COMMUNITIES HAVE.

AND WHILE THE STAFF AND I HAVE SOME LEVEL OF DISAGREEMENT ON, ON SOME TECHNICAL DETAILS, I WILL TELL YOU GENERALLY I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS TRY TO FIND A BEST FIT ALIGNMENT BETWEEN A NUMBER OF COMPETING INTERESTS.

AND SO WHAT WE WANNA TRY AND TALK ABOUT HERE A LITTLE BIT TONIGHT IS WHAT ARE THOSE COMPETING INTERESTS THAT PUSH US INTO SOME OF THE DESIGN DECISIONS THAT YOU SEE.

AND BEFORE I MOVE ON, I JUST WANNA MAKE ONE POINT ON THE RIGHT OF WAY QUESTION.

THERE ARE NO LOTS ANYWHERE IN THE SUBDIVISION THAT FRONT ONTO A 40 FOOT STREET EVERY SINGLE LOT FRONTS ONTO A 50 FOOT STREET.

THERE ARE TWO LOCATIONS THAT HAVE 40 FOOT PUBLIC WAYS, AND THOSE ARE FOR SOME VERY SPECIFIC REASONS.

I'M HAPPY TO TALK THROUGH.

COUNCIL MEMBERS, SOUGHT SOME INSIGHT FROM CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AS TO WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WANT TO SEE HERE? WHAT IS THE, WHAT TYPES OF PRODUCT MIX WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE? AND I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR THAT NO COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TOLD US, IF YOU SUBMIT A PLAN THAT SHOWS X, YOU HAVE OUR SUPPORT.

THE HISTORY I THINK IS IMPORTANT.

UM, AS YOU JUST HEARD THAT THIS IS NOW THE THIRD ZONING CASE ON THIS PROPERTY, UM, SINCE 2007 WHEN IT WAS, UH, ORIGINALLY ZONED TO GENERAL RETAIL.

IT'S WORTH NOTING THAT BOTH THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, DATED 2015 AS WELL AS THE CURRENT DRAFT OF THE PROPOSED PLAN, NEITHER OF THOSE PLANS CONTEMPLATE GENERAL RETAIL ON THIS SITE.

THEY BOTH, UM, CONTEMPLATED CURRENTLY, UH, APPROXIMATELY FIVE UNITS TO THE ACRE.

MY CLIENT CAME IN IN AUGUST OF 2021 AND PROPOSED A PROJECT WITH 4.9 UNITS TO THE ACRE.

AND THAT PROJECT WAS TURNED DOWN.

UM, AT THAT POINT IN TIME, MY CLIENT, UM, CAME TO ME AND SAID, HEY, WOULD YOU MAYBE BE TO HELP US? BECAUSE GENERALLY WE VIEW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS THE COMMUNITY'S DOCUMENT THAT SETS FORTH THE VISION TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AS TO HOW YOU WANT TO SEE DEVELOPMENT.

AND WE HAD BROUGHT A PLAN THAT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THAT PLAN.

WE DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHERE TO GO.

SO WHAT WE DID WAS REACHED OUT TO CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, UM, AND SOUGHT SOME, SOME INSIGHT FROM

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NO ONE HAS SAID THAT TO US.

BUT IN THOSE CONVERSATIONS AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY MEETING THAT WE HELD IN DECEMBER OF 21, UM, OR EXCUSE ME, OF 22, UM, WHAT WE HEARD CONSISTENTLY WAS IT WAS A HANDFUL OF CONCERNS.

ONE WAS QUALITY.

WE DON'T WANT SOMEONE TO COME IN HERE AND JUST BUILD GARBAGE.

ONE WAS WE WANT SOME LEVEL OF REASONABLE BUFFER FROM RETAIL THAT PROTECTS THE RESIDENTS TO THE EAST OF THE SITE.

UM, WHICH I'LL POINT OUT WITH THE CURRENT GENERAL RETAIL ZONING, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.

AND SO SOMEONE CAN, CAN PULL A BUILDING PERMIT TOMORROW AND THERE IS NO BUFFER.

AND AND THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SUFFICIENTLY CRITICAL, BUT I THINK IN THE AGGREGATE OF THESE OTHER SLIDES, WE'RE GONNA RUN THROUGH IT, IT BEARS SOME CONSIDERATION.

SO AS I MENTIONED, UM, THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED IN 2007.

IN 2015.

UM, THE CURRENT COMP PLAN WAS APPROVED.

AND UM, I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I'M READING BETWEEN THE LINES HERE, BUT I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS IS IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF ZONED VACANT RETAIL, CURRENTLY, THIS PROPERTY COMPARES DISFAVORABLY TO THOSE OTHER OTHER PROPERTIES PRIMARILY BECAUSE EACH OF THOSE ARE LOCATED AT OUR ARTERIAL BY ARTERIAL INTERSECTION.

AND SO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGE SCALE RETAIL, I, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THIS SITE CAN EVER COMPETE BECAUSE ELLERSON, UM, AS WAS MENTIONED IS IT'S A MINOR ROAD.

IT'S NOT ARTERIAL ROADWAY, IT'S NOT ON THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

AND SO YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ON BOTH SIDES TO SUPPORT A LARGE SCALE RETAIL PROJECT.

AGAIN, A LITTLE MORE ON THE LAST ZONING REQUEST.

UM, WE DID NOT HAVE ANY COMMUNITY OPPOSITION.

HOWEVER, THE COUNCIL AFTER THE DISCUSSION AND WE, WE PUT THAT LINK IN THERE SO YOU ALL COULD GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN DOING SO.

UM, THE CONVERSATION REALLY FOCUSED ON THE, THE FOLKS WHO WERE FOR IT KIND OF FOCUSED ON THE LACK OF COMMUNITY OPPOSITION.

THE FOLKS THAT WERE AGAINST IT WERE PRIMARILY CONCERNED WITH A LACK OF COMMERCIAL.

AGAIN, A LITTLE MORE DETAIL WITH RESPECT TO THE AMOUNT OF VACANT RETAIL IN THE CORRIDOR.

UM, OUR CONTENTION IS THAT ZONING ALONE DOES NOT RESULT IN OUTCOMES ON A GIVEN PIECE OF PROPERTY.

IT'S THE NEXUS BETWEEN THE REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT SET FORTH BY THE COMMUNITY COUPLED WITH WHAT THE MARKET IS ABLE TO ABSORB.

WE'LL MAKE ONE POINT ON THAT.

UH, THE, THE REASON MY APPLICANT HAS HAS PROPOSED A SUBMITTAL THAT INCLUDES SMALL SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL IS BECAUSE WE DO FEEL LIKE THAT CAN WORK HERE.

AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THIS BALANCING ACT.

WE, WE FEEL LIKE INCLUDING SOME LEVEL OF SMALL SCALE NEIGHBORHOOD RETAIL ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND ADJACENT TO WHAT WE HOPE WILL BE A TOWN HOME NEIGHBORHOOD SERVES A VERY REAL PURPOSE.

AND WE THINK THAT CAN FIT HERE.

WE JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE, YOU KNOW, THE BIG BOX TYPE PRODUCT CAN FIT.

SO WE DEVELOPED THIS APPLICATION.

I WILL TELL YOU WE WENT THROUGH TWO OR THREE, UH, PERMUTATIONS BACK AND FORTH WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ADDRESSING SOME COMMENTS.

UM, AND, AND LANDED ON THIS VERSION.

WE HAVE 62 TOWN HOME UNITS AND WE HAVE TWO SMALL REGIONAL COMMERCIAL.

WE FEEL LIKE THE, THE TOWN HOMES HERE ARE ACTUALLY SUPPORTIVE OF A COUPLE KEGELS OF THE COMMUNITY.

WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE WORKING THROUGH A, UH, DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE RIGHT NOW AND HAD A MEETING, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST TUESDAY ON THIS QUESTION.

AND IN THAT QUESTION AND IN THAT CONVERSATION, IT SEEMS AS IF YOUR CONSULTANT HAS COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION THAT WE HAVE ON THIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS YOUR CITY MANAGEMENT TEAM HAS COME TO THAT.

THIS PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF MIXED USE AS OPPOSED TO TRADITIONAL ALL COMMERCIAL, UM, OR MULTIFAMILY, PURE MULTIFAMILY PLAY, THAT KIND OF THING.

THE OTHER PIECE THAT THIS DOES IS REALLY HELP US ADDRESS THE MISSING MIDDLE IN THE HOUSING MARKET.

IT'S NOT GONNA COME AS A SURPRISE TO ANYONE THAT THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS HOME OWNERSHIP HAS BECOME LESS AND LESS ATTAINABLE FOR FOLKS.

AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LARGER LOT SINGLE FAMILY DE TYPES PRODUCTS, THAT THOSE, THOSE NUMBERS ARE JUST BECOMING ASTRONOMICAL.

I SAW, I SAW A, UH, A STUDY ON I GUESS SUNDAY THAT SPOKE TO, UM, THE MEDIAN HOME PRICE NATIONALLY IS NOW $380,000.

IF YOU LOOK AT 18 MONTHS AGO, THE AVERAGE MORTGAGE TO BUY AN AVERAGE PRICED HOUSE AT THE INTEREST RATES AT THAT POINT IN TIME WAS $1,600 A MONTH.

TODAY IT'S $2,600 A MONTH AS A FUNCTION OF, OF OF BASIS STARTING AT THAT 1600.

IT'S JUST BECOME ASTRONOMICAL FOR FOLKS.

SO WE THINK THE TOWN HOME WITH THE DENSITY ALLOWS US TO COME IN AT A REASONABLE PRICE POINT AND STILL PROVIDE QUALITY.

AND, AND THAT IS WHY WE'VE INCLUDED WHAT, WHAT I CALL CHOOSE YOUR OWN ADVENTURE ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.

WE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE WANT TO PUT A

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PRODUCT OUT THERE WHERE EVERY UNIT IS COOKIE CUTTER.

THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME.

WE DO WANT TO PROVIDE THE COMMUNITY WITH SOME CERTAINTY AS TO QUALITY.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS PROPOSED A NUMBER OF ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE FEATURES THAT ARE GENERALLY, UM, VIEWED AS ADDING VALUE AND ADD AND ADDING VISUAL INTEREST AND ALLOWED THE BUILDERS TO SELECT THREE OF THOSE FROM THAT LIST THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE.

THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THAT FOR US, IF THIS ORDINANCE WERE TO BE IMPROVED ULTIMATELY BY THE CITY COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO COMPLY OR WE CAN'T GET BUILDING PERMITS.

WE, WE REALLY FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT TOWN HOMES AS A USE.

UM, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE MARKET REASONS I MENTIONED, BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT BRINGS IN TWO KEY DEMOGRAPHIC GROUPS INTO THE COMMUNITY, BOTH OF WHOM TEND TO SPEND AT HIGHER RATES, WHICH WE BELIEVE FURTHERS THE, THE COMMUNITY'S RETAIL INTERESTS.

THOSE TWO KEY GROUPS ARE YOUNG FAMILIES AND EMPTY NESTERS THAT ARE DOWNSIZING.

SO WE HAVE PEOPLE MOVING INTO THEIR FIRST HOME OWNERSHIP SITUATION.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE MOVING OUT OF A LARGER HOME.

UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE OF YOU WITH KIDS WILL ATTEST WHETHER YOU HAVE THE MONEY OR NOT.

YOU HAVE TO SPEND IT WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS AND AS YOU RETIRE AND MOVE INTO EMPTY NESTER, YOU KNOW, MOST FOLKS ARE DOING A LITTLE BETTER FINANCIALLY.

SO BOTH THOSE FOLKS TEND TO SPEND A LITTLE MORE.

UM, AND, AND SO I THINK THAT, THAT THE CONSTRUCTION OF TOWN HOMES IN THIS LOCATION ACTUALLY FACILITATES YOUR COMMERCIAL RETAIL SALES TAX SCHOOLS TO A GREATER DEGREE THAN TRYING TO FORCE A RETAIL CENTER INTO THIS PROPERTY.

AND THAT'S KIND OF THE HIGH POINTS.

I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

I ALSO HAVE DAVID CAER HERE WITH PELOTON.

UM, DAVID CAN ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS YOU HAVE AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANYTHING ABOUT THE, THE CONCEPT OR THE APPROACH OR THE STRATEGY OR THEORY.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU MR. DKE.

I APOLOGIZE FOR BUTCHERING YOUR NAME EARLIER.

UH, SIR, I'M 50 YEARS OLD AND NO ONE'S EVER GOT IT RIGHT.

AT SOME POINT I HAVE TO ACCEPT THAT MAYBE I HAVE IT WRONG AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS IT.

UH, WE HAD A DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY AND YOU STATED THAT NONE OF THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES, UH, BACK UP TO THE 40 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

IF YOU COULD TAKE A COUPLE OF STEPS BACK IN YOUR PRESENTATION SURE.

AND MAYBE USE THE LASER POINTER TO CLARIFY THAT STATEMENT.

WELL, I WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT IF MR. BREWER WILL ADVISE ME AS TO HOW TO DO THAT.

SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PODS HERE.

ALL OF THESE, THIS IS A 50 FOOT RIGHT AWAY HERE.

THIS IS ALL 50 FOOT, THIS IS 50 FOOT, THIS IS 50 FOOT, THIS IS 50 FOOT WHERE WE HAVE 40 FEET HERE.

THIS IS BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME MODEST LEVEL OF BUFFER ADJACENT TO THAT EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S THERE TODAY.

SO WE GET, WE COULD JUST SHOEHORN IN A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPING THERE AND I'M GONNA DEFER TO MR. CFER AS TO WHY THAT THAT NORTHERN EAST WEST ROUTE IS AT 40 FEET.

DAVID CALIPER, SOLAN, TEXAS.

WHICH ONE IS IT? IT'S OKAY.

IS WITH A 95 FOOT LOT AND A 20 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK AND A 15 FOOT REAR, I BELIEVE WE'RE AT A 60 FOOT PAD FOR A TOWN HOME THAT COUPLED WITH 25 FEET.

SO ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE OPTED TO PROPOSE A 40 FOOT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS WHAT THIS DOES IS ALLOWS A, A SEPARATION TO CITE THESE TOWN HOMES AWAY FROM THIS HOUSE.

SO ESSENTIALLY WITH 40 FEET PLUS THE EXTRA 10 FEET AND A TWO STORY TOWN HOME, NOBODY'S GONNA BE LOOKING OVER THE FENCE INTO THEIR BACKYARD.

THE OTHER REASON WE'VE DONE THIS IS WE'RE ABLE TO OFFSET THE TOWN HOMES AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING HERE AND HERE.

THE SITE WE'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 15 SPACES.

WE'VE ACTUALLY PROVIDED 30.

AND SO BY DOING THAT, IT GAVE US THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE MORE OFF STREET PARKING, UM, AS WELL AS PARKING IN THE DRIVEWAYS AND THEN THE TWO CAR GARAGES.

SO FROM A A PARKING PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE, WE'VE LOCATED THESE THROUGHOUT THE SITE AND THESE HAPPEN TO BE THE AREAS THAT ARE OFF THE 40 FOOT.

WE HAVE THE SAME ROADWAY SECTION AS A 50 FOOT.

WE STILL HAVE THE SIDEWALKS, EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED WITHIN THE 50 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE, I KNOW IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, THE BUFFER, ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID IS WE PROVIDED A LARGER LANDSCAPE BUFFER HERE ACROSS FROM THESE RESIDENTS WHERE THESE HOMES ACTUALLY FRONT ONTO THIS, BUT THERE'S A BUFFER HERE ALONG ELLERSON.

SO IT ACTUALLY WILL HELP, UM, CREATE A AESTHETIC VIEW INTO OUR SUBDIVISION, A LITTLE BIT OF BIRMINGHAM LANDSCAPE TREES, UM, AND THEN A SIDEWALK OBVIOUSLY ALONG THIS AREA.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

AND THEN ANOTHER, ANOTHER POINT THAT STAFF POINTED OUT EARLIER, UM, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY CALLING FOR MORE THAN A 20% REDUCTION IN LOT SIZE FOR TOWN HOMES THAT MAY NOT BE AS MAJOR, THEY USUALLY TEND TO GO VERTICAL.

WHAT IS THE FOOTPRINT ON AVERAGE OF THE TOWNHOUSE PRODUCT? GENERALLY WHAT WE ARE SHOWING HERE

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IF YOU GO TWO STORIES, WE'RE AT A TWO, 2000 PLUS SQUARE FOOT TOWN HOME FOR A TWO BEDROOM OR LARGER.

IF WE DO, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE ONE BEDROOM TYPE FLAT APARTMENTS, UM, THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY GET REPLANTED INTO A DIFFERENT, BUT IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE THE, THE MINIMUM 25 FEET.

AND THAT'S BASED ON MARKET ALL ALL THROUGH THE DFW AREA THAT, THAT I'VE SEEN.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THESE ARE TOWN HOMES THAT SHARE AN ADJACENT WALL OR ARE THEY GARDEN STYLE LOTS.

SO, SO WE'VE DONE 'EM IN FOUR PACKS, FOUR AND FIVE PACKS HERE AND HERE.

THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S LARGER JUST BECAUSE, UM, THE WAY THIS LITTLE SECTION FIT.

AND SO WHAT WE HAVE IS IN THE INTERIOR UNITS ARE ACTUALLY 25 FEET WALL TO WALL.

THE, THE END UNITS ARE THESE UNITS HERE WHERE THE, DANG IT, WHERE THE LOT SIZE IS ACTUALLY 30 FEET.

BUT BECAUSE A BUILDING CODE, WHEN WE SEPARATE THE, THE, THE U THE UNITS, WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN A MINIMUM 10 FEET.

SO THERE'S A SIDE YARD ON EACH ONE OF THESE.

AND SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY BROKEN UP.

THEY'RE NOT SOME REALLY LONG RUN OF TOWN HOMES.

WE'VE GOT, UM, A FOUR PACK HERE AND A FOUR PACK HERE, FOUR THERE, THREE HERE, FIVE HERE, UM, FOUR, FIVE.

AND THEN ALTERNATE ALTERNATED THEM THERE.

AND THEN WE, HERE IS THE ONLY AREA THAT WE HAVE, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT LONGER PRODUCT, BUT WE ARE PICKING UP WATER RIGHT HERE.

AND WE CREATED OPEN SPACE TO CAPTURE THAT WATER AND THEN BRING IT AROUND AND THEN CREATE AN OPEN SPACE HERE.

OUR DETENTION FACILITY FOR THIS WHOLE SITE IS UP HERE.

AND UNTIL WE ACTUALLY KNOW HOW MUCH WATER OUR PLAN IS TO CAPTURE THIS WATER AND PUT IT IN A STORM SEWER.

CAN YOU REPEAT THOSE LAST TWO SENTENCES AND ABOUT THE WATER PATH? I MISSED THAT.

SO WE'RE, THE TOPOGRAPHY IS RUNNING THIS DIRECTION FROM SOUTHWEST SOUTH, YES.

SOUTH.

AND SO ALL THE WATER'S RUNNING THIS WAY, SO WELL, RIGHT.

CURRENTLY IT IS RUNNING ONTO OUR SITE, SO WE PURPOSELY DID NOT BACK UP TOWN HOMES TO OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY HERE TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE THAT WATER IN A SWALE.

WE WILL THEN TAKE IT AROUND AND TIE IT INTO A INLET, A STORM INLET, UM, AND THEN TAKE IT INTO OUR STORM SYSTEM THAT IS IN THE STREETS, AND THEN EVENTUALLY TAKE IT OUT TO WHERE, BECAUSE TXDOT HAS A HUGE, THIS CORNER RIGHT HERE IS OWNED BY TEXDOT AND IT'S A BIG DRAINAGE AREA.

THAT'S WHERE ALL THIS DRAINAGE IS GOING.

THANK YOU, MR. DKE.

AND MR. CFER, DO WE HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UH, MR. BELL AND THEN MS. BROOKS, GO.

UH, HELLO, SIR.

HI.

SO I WANT TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESTRICTIONS YOU PLACED ON THE RETAIL LOTS.

UH, OUR STAFF ARE RIGHT OFF A PRETTY EXTENSIVE LIST, AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW, UM, HOW DID YOU COME UP WITH THAT LIST AND WHAT ARE THE TYPES OF RETAIL, UH, ESTABLISHMENTS YOU ARE CONSIDERING TO BE IDEAL FOR THIS LOCATION? SURE.

THE, THE, UH, THE, THE LIST WAS DEVELOPED BY GOING TO THE EXISTING GENERAL RETAIL ZONING AND LOOKING AT USES THAT WE THOUGHT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE.

I THINK SOME, WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT LIST, WE WOULD ALL LOOK AT THAT, SOME OF THOSE AND SAY, WELL, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING IS VERY SLIM.

THERE ARE OTHERS WHERE THERE'S A VERY REAL LIKELIHOOD THAT THOSE COULD HAPPEN.

AND FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, SOME OF THOSE ARE BECAUSE THEY TEND TO BE AESTHETIC ISSUES AND OR CONCERNS OVER HEALTH.

FOR EXAMPLE, CELL TOWERS.

UM, ANOTHER ONE IS USES THAT TEND TO HAVE A VERY PEAKY NATURE AND TRAFFIC.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS A HEAVY AM PEAK.

UM, FOR EXAMPLE, CHILDREN'S CAMPS WAS ON THAT LIST.

THOSE TEND TO BE A MADHOUSE FIRST THING IN THE MORNING AND MID-AFTERNOON.

AND OUR CONCERN WAS WITH ELLERSON BEING A FAIRLY NARROW ROAD, UM, AND NOT KNOWING THAT IF WE START TO GET QUEUING UP TO GET ONTO BELTLINE, PEOPLE MAY TRY AND TAKE A BACKDOOR EXIT CUT THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION.

THERE'S JUST A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU COMPACT ALL THAT TRAFFIC AT ONCE.

AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE LIST IS PERFECT, BUT WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS SAY IF, IF, IF OUR CONTENTION IS THAT THIS PROJECT IS AN OUTSTANDING BUFFER TO THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL HOUSES TO THE EAST, THE LEAST WE CAN DO WITH OUR COMMERCIAL PORTION OF THE PRODUCT IS, IS TRY AND RESTRICT THE INTENSITY OF SOME OF THOSE USES AND ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE EASILY FORESEEABLE THINGS AS TO WHAT THOSE USERS MAY BE.

I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA, AND I I, I DON'T WANNA LEAVE ANYONE HERE WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT I DO.

I DON'T KNOW.

UM, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THIS IS A ZONING EVENT AND SO WE ARE TYING OUR HANDS, WE CAN'T DO ANY OF THESE THINGS WITHOUT COMING BACK TO THIS BODY TO GET APPROVAL FOR ANY OF THOSE

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VOLUNTARILY.

RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE 1, 2, 3, ARGUABLY FOUR HOMES THAT THAT WILL BE ACROSS THE STREET, BUT ADJACENT TO THOSE COMMERCIAL USES.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE GENESIS OF US TRYING TO REIGN THAT IN A LITTLE BIT.

HOW ARE YOU? I'M WELL, MA'AM.

HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.

I PROBABLY HAVE QUESTIONS ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE.

FOR YOU, UM, THINKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED USES, YOU MENTIONED A LOT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, UM, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF THE FOCUS IS ON VEHICULAR TRAFFIC, HOWEVER, YOU'RE CREATING AN ENVIRONMENT THAT, UH, WHERE WALKING AND BIKING DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE SAFE.

SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT REDUCING PA THE RIGHT OF WAY FROM 50 DOWN TO 40 AND YOU'RE TAKING THAT, YOU'RE NOT REDUCING THE PAVEMENT WIDTH, ALL OF THAT REDUCTION IS COMING FROM THE PEDESTRIAN ZONE THAT CONCERNS ME BE, SO I'LL JUST MAKE IT REAL CLEAR.

YOU SAID 28 FEET, RIGHT? MR. BREWER? I WANNA GET THAT STRAIGHT ON THE PAVEMENT.

CURB TO CURB.

LOOKS LIKE IT'S 27 UNLESS I'M READING IT WRONG.

27 BACK TO BACK.

SO EVEN WITH AT 50, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT 27 ON OUR SIDEWALKS, WE HAVE ABOUT 10 AND A HALF TO 11 FEET EACH SIDE.

, IF YOU REDUCE THAT DOWN TO 40, UH, THAT REDUCES US DOWN TO ABOUT SIX FEET OF PEDESTRIAN ZONE OR ON EITHER SIDE.

UM, IN ALIGNMENT WITH WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THESE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS IN THE CITY AS AN UPDATE TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND JUST LAST WEEK WE GOT A A AN OVERVIEW OF SOME OF THE GOALS AND RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND THE NUMBER ONE GOAL THAT I HEARD WAS TO ENCOURAGE A SAFE AND CLEAN MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION NETWORK THAT SUPPORTS COMMUNITY CONNECTIVITY AND WALKABILITY.

UM, THIS DOESN'T REALLY ALIGN WITH THE GOALS OF THE COMMUNITY.

LET ME FINISH.

MORE THAN WELCOME TO, YOU KNOW, REBUT.

SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE TO CREATE MORE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THIS NEW PAVEMENT THAT YOUR, THIS PAVEMENT REDUCTION IS NOT DOING THAT, UH, CREATE MORE BIKEABLE STREETS.

IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SIX FEET OR LESS THAN SIX FEET FOR PEDESTRIANS AND BICYCLISTS IN THAT SAME SPACE, IT'S A LITTLE TIGHT.

UM, DON'T WANNA REMOVE, REDUCE THAT FROM 11 WHERE IT'S COMFORTABLE FOR CYCLISTS, FOR MOTHERS WITH STROLLERS, FOR, YOU KNOW, KIDS USING SCOOTERS OR ANY OTHER MICRO MOBILITY.

I JUST WANT TO KIND OF READ THE RECOMMENDATIONS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND WHY I HAVE CONCERNS WITH WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

UH, CREATE MORE WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOODS AS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

CREATE MORE BIKEABLE STREETS AND PROVIDE SAFE ACCESS.

UH, CONSIDER MICRO MOBILITY OPTIONS SUCH AS BIKE SHARE, JUST ALL OF THESE COMPLETE STREET ELEMENTS AND MULTIMODAL ELEMENTS THAT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE REDUCTIONS THAT YOU'RE REQUESTING.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF MY CONCERNS.

ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION ON GOAL NUMBER TWO.

LUCKILY I TOOK A PICTURE OF THE SCREEN LAST WEEK.

UM, WHAT DID I SEE? ONE SECOND.

WELL, THIS ONE WILL PROBABLY BE FOR STAFF BECAUSE IT TALKS ABOUT CONTINUING TO IMPLEMENT THE DESIGN STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STREET SCAPE DESIGNS.

I MEAN, STREET SCAPE GUIDELINES.

SO NOT SURE IF YOU KNOW IF THIS ALIGNS WITH THE STREET SCAPE GUIDELINES OR NOT, BUT I'LL, I'LL RESERVE THAT QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS.

THROUGH THE, THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT, I WOULD SAY THAT'S PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT 10%.

SO YOUR CURRENT SIDEWALK IS FIVE FEET WIDE.

MM-HMM, , WHICH WE WILL HAVE, IT'S NOT SHOWN ON THIS PLAN, BUT IN OUR LAND, IN OUR, WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO IN OUR OPEN SPACE IS PROVIDE SIDEWALKS.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SCREEN HERE WHERE I'M POINTING, WE WILL HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT COMES UP THROUGH HERE, CONNECTS TO THE CITY PARK OR THE, THE PLAYGROUND.

IT'LL COME ACROSS AND CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALKS THAT'S HERE, CONNECT TO THE SIDEWALK THAT'S THERE, THE ONLY AREA WE'LL HAVE SIDEWALKS ACROSS THE FRONT OF HERE IN THE FRONT OF ALL THE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS AS WELL AS ALONG HERE.

THE AREA THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT ALONG THIS SIDE, WE WERE HOPING TO PROPOSE LANDSCAPE THAT WOULD, WE CAN PLANT ORNAMENTAL TREES THAT ARE EVERGREEN THAT WOULD ALSO HELP SCREEN OFF THIS RESIDENCE FROM, UM, SEEING ANY OF THE HOMES HERE.

THE CONNECTION UP THROUGH THE RETAIL WILL HAVE THEIR OWN SIDEWALK CONNECTABILITY WHERE BIKE RIDE, CHAIR BIKE, UM, BIKE RACKS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WE CAN HAVE BIKE RACKS IN THE, THE PLAYGROUND AS WELL.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY LIMITED AREA WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE SIDEWALKS THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND

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BUT WE ARE THE PLAN, THE GOAL IS TO PROVIDE SIDEWALKS BETWEEN THE, THE BACKS OF THE HOUSES HERE TO CONNECT TO THE OPEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE.

I, I KNOW YOU SAID FIVE FEET FOR SIDEWALKS, BUT I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE ENTIRE PARKWAY WIDTH, WHICH IS NOT, IT'S CURRENTLY MORE THAN FIVE FEET.

SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S THE AREA, THAT'S THE SIDEWALK, THE TREE ZONE, ALL OF THAT AREA FROM THE BACK OF CURB TO, UM, THE PRIVATE PROPERTY IS MUCH LARGER THAN FIVE FEET.

SO THAT'S THE AREA I'M REFERRED TO.

SO IF, IF WE WERE TO PROVIDE A SIDEWALK UP AND AROUND THIS AREA ON THIS SIDE, DANG IT, I DUNNO WHY I KEEP DOING THAT HERE.

THERE'S A SIDEWALK ALONG THERE.

WE ARE HOPING TO, TO LANDSCAPE THIS.

SO THE SIDEWALK WOULDN'T BE BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY BOUNDARY AND THE BACK OF CURB.

THAT WOULD BE LANDSCAPE BECAUSE WE WE'RE PROVIDING ENOUGH ACCESSIBILITY FROM A SIDEWALK PERSPECTIVE THROUGHOUT THE DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AND THEN THE RETAIL, I BELIEVE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A SCREEN WALL.

WE DO HAVE AN EXTRA 20 FEET ALONG THE, BETWEEN THE RETAIL AND THE PLAYGROUND.

WE DO HAVE A SIDEWALK THAT COMES FROM BELTLINE ALL THE WAY BACK TO HERE THAT IS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH THE STREET.

WE DO HAVE SIDEWALKS, AND IT'S A LITTLE HARDER TO SEE BECAUSE OF THE TREE CANOPY IN HERE THAT GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THIS.

WE HAVE A CIRCULAR SIDEWALK THAT ENCOMPASSES THE PLAYGROUND.

AND THEN WE DO HAVE OUR, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH, YOU KNOW, FOUR FEET BACK TYPICALLY, OR LET'S SAY YOU HAVE 11 AND A HALF FEET OF PARKWAY, USUALLY A FOUR FOOT SIDEWALK LEAVES YOU A FOOT FOR THE TILL THE RIGHT OF WAY.

BUT WITH A FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK, YOU PUT THAT EDGE RIGHT ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND THEN YOU HAVE A FIVE FOOT UTILITY EASEMENT.

I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING FROM OUR CITIZENS IS THAT WE'RE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE MINIMUMS. WE WANT THAT INCREASE SO THAT IT CAN BE MORE COMFORTABLE.

I, I GET IT.

AND WE'RE PROPOSING, I MEAN, FIVE FOOT SIDE BLOCKS.

SO MY, MY QUESTION IS, CAN THIS NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT THE WAIVERS TO THE RIGHT OF WEIGHT? THE REQUEST THAT YOU'RE MAKING FOR THE REDUCTION FROM 50 TO 40 FEET, CAN THIS DEVELOPMENT NOT HAPPEN WITH THAT? LEMME START WITHOUT IT.

HANG ON.

LET ME FINISH THE TIME.

WE COULD DO IT, BUT THE PARKING WOULD GO AWAY RIGHT HERE.

WE WOULD LOSE THIS PARKING.

WE WOULD LOSE THIS PARKING BECAUSE WE NEED AN ADDITIONAL 20 FEET RIGHT THROUGH THIS AREA.

SO WE EITHER TAKE IT OFF THE RETAIL, WHICH THIS IS THE IDEAL RETAIL DEPTH, AND WE HAVE A DETENTION FACILITY THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO PUT IN UP HERE THAT'S LIMITING OUR, OUR, OUR BUILDABILITY OF THE RETAIL COMPONENT ITSELF.

AND BY UTILIZING A PUBLIC WAY, THE SAME SETBACKS STILL APPLY.

IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT SMALLER RIGHT OF WAY.

AND WE CAN FI CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PROVIDE SIDEWALKS THROUGH HERE WITH THE, PROBABLY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS, THIS SIDE RIGHT THERE ON THE, ON THE, I KEEP DOING THAT ON THE VERY SOUTHERN SIDE OR EASTERN SIDE I BELIEVE, RIGHT THERE.

THEN I THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS AS FAR AS THE OVERSIZED SIDEWALKS.

THIS SITE CAN'T HANDLE SIX FOOT, SEVEN FOOT, EIGHT FOOT HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL TYPE SIDEWALKS THAT ALLOW SAFE PASSAGE.

IT JUST, THIS, IT JUST CAN'T DO THAT HERE.

UM, NOW OPEN SPACE, LINEAR AREAS, CONNECTABILITY TO NODES LIKE CITY HALL, THINGS LIKE THAT.

MOMS TO GET THEIR KIDS TO THE TOT LAW TO GO PLAY.

THROUGH A PARK PLAN, YES.

BUT FOR AN INTERNAL DEVELOPMENT, WE STILL SEE FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS.

ADDITIONALLY.

MA'AM, IF I MAY MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL POINT, THE, THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE HERE IS, AND THIS COMES BACK TO THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE USES, THE, THE OTHER REAL CHALLENGE WE HAVE IS WE HAVE HAD A VERY DIFFICULT TIME FINDING A TOWN HOME BUILDER WHO WILL LOCATE AND COME ON SITE TO BUILD LESS THAN 60 UNITS.

AND SO THE CHALLENGE BECOMES, IF, IF WE WANT SOME COMMERCIAL AND WE, AND THE MARKET REQUIRES, WE HAVE 60 UNITS IN ORDER TO HAVE ANYONE THERE TO BUILD IT, THOSE THINGS ARE AT ODDS.

AND SO WHAT WE, I I JUST WANNA BE REAL CLEAR THAT WE HAVE NOT BEEN CAVALIER WITH RESPECT TO THOSE PEDESTRIAN ISSUES AT ALL.

ULTIMATELY, YOU MAY NOT AGREE WITH OUR SOLUTION, BUT, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE'VE, WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THOSE THINGS, THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE AND, AND WE, WE FEEL LIKE WE'VE GOT A PRETTY GOOD BEST FIT ALTERNATIVE HERE.

THERE IS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, IF IT SAYS 10%, GIVE OR TAKE, THAT DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE THE IDEAL SIDEWALK SCENARIO WHERE THE CURRENT MANDATED SIDEWALK SCENARIO.

HOWEVER, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MANY COMPETING INTERESTS ON THIS SITE.

AND, AND IF WE COME BACK TO, IF WE HAVE A THOROUGH PEDESTRIAN NETWORK, IF WE WANT TO TARGET YOUNG FAMILIES, WE HAVE A TOT LOT.

WE HAVE SAFE ROUTES, MULTIPLE SAFE ROUTES FOR

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WE FEEL LIKE THAT THAT'S SUCCESSFUL AND, AND PROBABLY THE BEST FIT BETWEEN ALL THE COMPETING INTERESTS, BOTH FINANCIAL AND SOCIOECONOMICS AND SOCIOLOGICAL, ALL THESE OTHER FACTORS IN TERMS THAT BUILD THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR THE APPLICANT? MR. NULL? GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

AND FORGIVE ME IF I'VE MISSED THIS.

I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND ON THE COMMERCIAL LOTS, ARE THOSE GOING TO BE JUST SINGLE RETAIL OR IS IT GONNA BE MULTIPLE RETAIL? UH, I, I THINK AT THAT SIZE, THE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME IS SINGLE.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT, DAVID? TWO SINGLE USERS? YEAH.

THEY, OUR, OUR CLIENT WANTED US TO SHOW TWO FOR MARKETABILITY PURPOSES, BUT HONESTLY CLOSER.

OH, EXCUSE ME.

BUT HONESTLY, UM, IT, IT WOULD MORE LIKELY BE ONE ONE LOT.

AND SO THE PARKING, WOULD IT BE INCORPORAT, THE PARKING FOR THE RETAIL, WOULD IT BE INCORPORATED IN THAT LAND SPACE? YES, SIR.

WHATEVER, WHATEVER SQUARE FOOTAGE IS REQUIRED FOR THE PARKING.

Y'ALL HAVE PARK, EXCUSE ME, Y'ALL HAVE PARKING STANDARDS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE MET FOR THAT.

BASED ON THE USE.

AND, AND WHAT'S THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT YOU HAVE FOR VISITORS THAT ARE COMING INTO THE TOWN HOMES? SO WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 14.

UM, IT ROUNDED UP TO 15.

WE HAVE 30.

PLUS THE TWO THAT ARE IN THE DRIVEWAY PLUS THE TWO GARAGE.

SO WE'RE ALMOST TO 300 PARKING SPACES.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

, ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? UM, MR. DKE AND MR. CFER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND FOR THE RECORD, YOU TWO GENTLEMEN ARE BOTH IN FAVOR.

YOU GENTLEMEN MAY HAVE A SEAT.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.

YOU WHO'VE PRONOUNCED MY NAME CORRECTLY, , I WAS GONNA BUTCHER IT WHEN I SAW IT WRITTEN, BUT I'M GLAD WE GOT THAT CLEARED UP.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS COMMISSION AND LEAVE A COMMENT IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION FOR THIS MEASURE? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

WE'LL TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS CASE AT 8:30 PM COMMISSIONERS.

IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION WE NEED TO HAVE ON THIS CASE? Z DASH 1 49, EXCUSE ME, UH, Z DASH 1 49 DASH 23.

I HAVE JUST ONE FOR STAFF.

AND THAT GOES BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS IN LAST WEEK'S PRESENTATION COMP PLAN UPDATE WHERE IT TALKED ABOUT IMPLEMENT THE DESIGN STANDARDS ASSOCIATED WITH THE STREETS SCAPE GUIDELINES.

DOES THIS ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING STREETS SCAPE GUIDELINES? NO, WE DIDN'T LOOK INTO THAT BECAUSE AS YOU CAN SEE, THIS IS PRETTY MUCH CONCEPTUAL.

THEY DIDN'T GIVE US LIKE DETAILED SITE PLANS THAT WE COULD LOOK AT AT THIS POINT.

THANK YOU MS. BROOKS.

THAT'S IT.

MORE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET THERE TO MID TWOS TO MID TWO EIGHTIES, 2 75, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.

OKAY LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? MR. CHAIR? GO RIGHT AHEAD.

MR. QUE, I GUESS IT IS MORE OF A QUESTION FOR STAFF GIVEN THE PRESENTATION THAT WE JUST SAW FROM THE APPLICANT.

IF STAFF COULD JUST SUMMARIZE, I'M NOT ASKING FOR A WHOLE PRESENTATION AGAIN, BUT JUST SUMMARIZE YOUR OBJECTION OR THE REASON THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING A DENIAL SO I CAN FULLY UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE ISSUES ARE.

I GUESS I'LL START IT.

UM, WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE, OUR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WAS NOT TO BE A 50 FOOT WIDTH WITH THE REDUCTION PROPO REQUESTED REDUCTION FOR THE FRONT YARD, THUS PUSHING THE FRONT FACE OF THE UNIT CLOSER, WE WERE SEEING A CONCERN OF VEHICLES, WHETHER IT'S TO BE PARKED IN THE STREET OR WHETHER IT'S GONNA BE PARKED IN THE DRIVEWAY, WHETHER OR NOT THAT REDUCTION IN SIZE WAS GOING TO IMPACT THAT.

ALSO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE REQUESTS IS ALSO TO HAVE NO ALLEYS, SO IT'S GONNA BE PUTTING EVERYTHING ON THE FRONT SIDE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

OH, MS. CAESAR, GO RIGHT AHEAD, MA'AM.

YES, MR. CHAIR.

AND THIS IS FOR THE APPLICANTS.

ARE THESE RENTAL UNITS OR UNITS FOR SALE PLEASE? AND IF THEY ARE FOR SALE, WHAT PRICE POINTS ARE WE TALKING? I'M SORRY, TURN THE MICROPHONE ON PLEASE.

THERE YOU GO, DAVID.

AGAIN, SALINA, TEXAS.

UM, THESE ARE FOR SALE UNITS AND PRICE POINT, I WOULD SAY MID TWOS.

HOPEFULLY THE

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SO, AND IF I MAY ADDRESS THE ALLEY ISSUE THAT CAME UP WHILE WE WERE NOT UP HERE.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE REQUESTING THE ALLEY WAIVER IS SO THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL UNIT HAS A BACKYARD.

SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LITTLE OPEN SPACE THEY CAN TAKE THEIR, LET THEIR PET OUT, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE REQUESTED NOAL.

THANK YOU MR. CALIPER.

UM, QUESTION FOR MR. BREWER.

GO RIGHT AHEAD, MR. YES, MR. BREWER, AFTER HE PRESENTED THAT THERE WAS GONNA BE A TOTAL PARKING CAPACITY, HE SAID ALMOST TO 300, BUT HE WAS INCLUDING, UM, THE DRIVEWAYS, THE, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY THE AMOUNT, BUT IT SEEMED TO BE QUITE A BIT OF PARKING SPACE THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE, UM, FOR A GUEST.

YES, I JUST HEARD THAT ALSO, BUT THAT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, A PART OF OUR CONSIDERATION WHEN WE WAS ANALYZING THE SITE.

SO HE'S PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MORE NEW INFORMATION THAT TRULY WE WOULD NEED TO TAKE BACK.

IF WE WANNA DO MORE IN DEPTH ANALYSIS OF, OF THAT.

DID THE NUMBERS THAT HE PRESENT THIS EVENING THEY HAVE SATISFIED YOU OR THE STAFF? I CAN'T GIVE AN OPINION OF THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. PUKE, MR. CHAIR.

I'M JUST GONNA THROW IT OUT THERE.

UH, AND I'M ASKING, I GUESS FOR GUIDANCE FROM STAFF, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL IF, IF WE TABLE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR STOP THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS TIME, MAYBE GIVE STAFF AN APPLICANT SOME ADDITIONAL 'CAUSE YOU JUST SAID THERE'S SOME NEW INFORMATION THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE PREVIOUSLY.

WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO GET TOGETHER, MAYBE HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION? OR DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD PROCEED WITH A VOTE TONIGHT? STAFF IS ALWAYS OPEN TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH AN APPLICANT.

I WOULD DEFINITELY ASK YOU TO ASK THE APPLICANT WOULD, HE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE DISCUSSIONS WITH US, BUT WE'RE OPEN.

SO THEN I WOULD ASK, UH, UM, A REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD AND ASK, ASK THE SAME QUESTION.

YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY CLOSED ON BUT WE HAVEN'T CALLED FOR A MOTION.

ROB AKEY, MCKINNEY, TEXAS.

UH, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO TABLING IF, IF, IF THE COMMISSION FEELS THAT THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO THE PROCESS AND ALWAYS HAPPY TO WORK WITH STAFF.

CERTAINLY.

SO MR. CHAIR, AS YOU CORRECTLY POINTED OUT, WE, WE HAVE CLOSED A PUBLIC HEARING, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE NOT OPPOSED.

AND IN FAGG IT MAY BE BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH SIDES TO BE ABLE TO GET TOGETHER FURTHER, HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS, AND WE RECONVENE AT A LATER DATE.

MR. PUGH, YOU HAVE STEERING WHEEL.

SIR, DO YOU WANNA BRING A MOTION TO THE FLOOR? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME, UH, THAT WE TABLE, UH, THIS MATTER, I BELIEVE TO A DATE, SIR.

NOW MR. BREWER'S LOOKING AT ME RIGHT NOW.

SO, MR. BREWER, DO YOU HAVE A DATE IN MIND? , I BELIEVE OUR NEXT MEETING IS FOUR WEEKS FROM NOW, WHICH IS, LEMME DOUBLE CHECK.

JULY 25TH, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

YES, JULY 25TH.

AND, AND IF I MAY, I THINK WE NEED TO RECESS THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN RECONVENE AND THEN WE CAN RE-NOTICE IT FOR THE NEXT, UH, MEETING.

JUST TO BE TECHNICALLY CORRECT, MA'AM, WE'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING.

HAVE WE ALREADY CLOSED IT? OH, YES MA'AM.

THEN WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND TABLE ACTION ON THE, INSTEAD OF TABLING THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE ARE, UM, TABLING ACTION ON THE ITEM RIGHT.

WE, WE OFFICIALLY CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING AT EIGHT 30 AND SO WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY ACTION YET OUTSIDE OF MR. UH, PEW'S PROPOSED MOTION THAT HE JUST BROUGHT TO THE TABLE.

THANK YOU FOR KEEPING US IN LINE.

SO, MR. CHAIR, JUST TO RESTATE IT, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CORRECT AS IT RELATES TO, UH, CASE NUMBER Z DASH 1494 DASH 23.

I'M MAKING A MOTION, UH, THAT WE RECESS THIS MATTER TABLE THIS MATTER AND, UH, RECONVENE AND RECONSIDER THIS MATTER AT A DATE CERTAIN, WHICH WILL BE JULY THE 25TH OF 2023.

SECOND, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR BY MR. PUGH, SECOND BY MR. RENELL.

ALL IN FAVOR OF TABLING, UH, CASE Z DASH 14 9 4 DASH 23.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE AYE.

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COMMISSION CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.

ALL OPPOSED, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND STATE NAME.

UH, MR. GILSTRAP.

I'M MR. HAND SIR, DID YOU VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE? OKAY, YOU JUST KEEP UP PRETENSE.

I GOT YOU.

I GOT YOU .

THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

UH, EXCELLENT DISCUSSION FROM ALL PARTIES.

WE REALLY NAILED DOWN ON THAT ONE AND I THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PRODUCT THAT WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IN CONFIDENCE WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT.

FINAL CASE OF THE EVENING, CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD 1 45 IN ORDER TO ALIGN WITH THE CITY OF DESOTOS ADOPTED 2023 NANCE FARM MASTER PLAN.

THE APPLICANT AND PROPERTY OWNER IS THE CITY OF DESOTO.

MAY WE HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT, PLEASE? YES, SIR.

IN APRIL 20TH, 2009, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A MASTER PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A 2.059 ACRE TRACK OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS BEING A LOT 12 BLOCK 15 IN THE METAL BROOK ESTATES SECOND INSTRUMENT.

THAT PLAN WAS TO BE IMPLEMENTED IN FOUR PHASES WITH A GOAL OF SUPPORTING A SMALL SCALE WORKING FARM REMINISCENT OF THE 18 HUNDREDS, THE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CITY OF DESOTO AND LOCATED NORTH OF MANTLE BROOK DRIVE WEST OF NORTH HAMPTON ROAD AND SOUTH OF WEST WINTER GREEN ROAD WITH THE ADDRESS 1325 GREEN BROOK DRIVE.

ON SEPTEMBER THE 21ST, 2010, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCE 1864 DASH 10, WHICH OFFICIALLY REZONED LOT 12 BLOCK 15 IN THE MEADOWBROOK ESTATES SECOND INSTRUMENT FROM EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY 12 TO A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT, 1 45 TO PROVIDE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF NASH FARM.

THE ORDINANCE ESTABLISHED THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE DEVELOPED AND USED ONLY IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE FOLLOWING DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS.

NUMBER ONE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT IS TO ALLOW FOR THE RESTORATION OF NASH FARM TO REFLECT THE ERROR IN WHICH IT WAS BUILT.

NUMBER TWO, THE PROPERTY SHALL BE USED AND DEVELOPED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY 12 DISTRICT, OTHER COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCES EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED HEREIN.

NUMBER THREE, THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE USED AS A PUBLIC COMMUNITY CENTER AND SHALL ASSIST OF A MAIN HOUSE AND TWO OUTBUILDINGS RECURRING SHED AND MILKING BARN AS WELL AS A PROPOSED VISITOR PAVILION.

NUMBER FOUR, THE SITE PLAN IS ATTACHED TO EXHIBIT B AND IS HEREBY APPROVED.

AND LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION I WILL SHOW YOU BOTH THIS EXHIBIT AND THE NEXT EXHIBIT.

C FIVE.

THE ELEVATIONAL PLAN FOR THE VISITOR PAVILION IS ATTACHED TO EXHIBIT C AND IS HEREBY APPROVED.

NUMBER SIX, NONE OF THE STRUCTURES ON THE SITES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE MISSIONARY EXTERIORS.

HOWEVER, MATERIALS USED MUST REFLECT THOSE USED ON THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURES AND FROM THAT ERROR.

NUMBER SEVEN, THE FIVE FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER ALONG THE STREET IS NOT REQUIRED.

IN ADDITION, THE REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE ONE TREE PER 40 LINEAR FEET ALONG THE FRONT OF THE LOT IS NOT REQUIRED AS WELL.

NUMBER EIGHT, THE ENTRY GATE ACROSS THE DRIVEWAY IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE LOCATED 20 FEET IN FRONT OF THE FENCE, HOWEVER, NO VEHICLE SHALL BE PARKED IN FRONT OF THE ENTRY GATES.

NUMBER NINE, A SOLID BRICK OR MISSIONARY SCREENING WALL BETWEEN NON-RESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IS NOT REQUIRED.

NUMBER 10, CONCRETE DRIVEWAYS ARE NOT REQUIRED.

DRIVEWAYS MAY BE CONSTRUCTED USING CRUSHED STONE OR SIMILAR PRODUCT ON THE SURFACE.

HOWEVER, THESE BASE OF THE DRIVEWAYS SHALL BE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING THE WEIGHT OF A FIRE TRUCK.

NUMBER 11, A PARKING LOT CONSISTING OF NINE SPACES WILL BE LOCATED TO THE EAST OF THE VISITOR PAVILION.

ANOTHER PARKING LOT CONSISTING OF TWO SPACES WILL BE LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE VISITOR PAVILION.

NUMBER 12, NO MORE THAN 12 CARS SHALL BE PARKED ON GREEN BROOK DRIVE ON THE WEST, ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE STREET ADJOINING NANCE FARM.

NO ON STREET PARKING SHALL BE SHALL PROJECT BEYOND THE NORTH OR SOUTH PROPERTY LINE OF NASH FARM.

AND FINALLY, NUMBER 13, FOR ANY EVENT THAT SHALL REQUIRE MORE THAN 25 PARKING SPACES, WHICH EQUATES TO 11 ON SITE AND 12 ON STREET PERMIT SPACES, PARKING SHALL PROVIDED OFFSITE IN AN APPROVED NON-RESIDENTIAL AREA.

I'VE INCLUDED FOR YOU REVIEW A COPY OF EXHIBIT B THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE, 1864 DASH 10.

AND JUST FOR PRESENTATION WISE, IT SHOWS THE THE ORIGINAL HOUSE, THE MILKING AND THE CURING, UH, SHEDS BACK HERE.

UP ON THE NORTH SIDE IS THE PROPOSED AT THAT TIME NEW VISITOR PAVILION, THE PARKING SPACE ON THAT AREA.

ALSO, I'VE ALSO ATTACHED EXHIBIT CS, WHICH SHOWS THE BUILDING ELEVATIONAL VIEWS ALL FOUR SIDES FOR THE PROPOSED VISIT PVI VISITOR PAVILION.

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THE FIRST PHASE OF DEVELOPING A NASH FARM HAS BEEN PARTIALLY IMPLEMENTED, BUT THE REMAINING WORK HAS NOT BEEN UNDERTAKEN IN RECENT YEARS.

THE FACILITY HAS NOT BEEN OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS BEEN EXPLORING OPPORTUNITIES TO BETTER PROMOTE THE PROPERTY TO ALIGN WITH THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY.

ON JANUARY THE FIFTH, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE COMMUNITY CULTURE ARTS MASTER PLAN ESTABLISHING GOALS AND STRATEGIES TO SUPPORT THE GROWTH OF ARTS IN DESOTO.

THIS PLAN IDENTIFIED THE NASH FARM FACILITY AS A POTENTIAL FUTURE HOME FOR ART CLASSES AND ARTISTS AND RESIDENCY PROGRAM ART DISPLAYS AND SMALL ART AND HISTORY FESTIVALS.

THIS RECOMMENDATION PROMPT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS IN ORDER TO DEVELOP AND REVISE THE CITY'S 2009 NASH FARM MASTER PLAN.

THE CITY'S FY 2023 BUSINESS PLAN INCLUDED THE GOAL OF CONVERTING NASH FARM INTO A HIGHER VALUE COMMUNITY ASSETS, INCLUDING AS A HOME FOR THE ARTS ARTS WITH ONE OF THE OBJECTIVES BEING TO UPDATE THE MAS, THE NASH FARM MASTER PLAN.

ON MAY THE THIRD, 2022, THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED A CONTRACT WITH ROGERS ARCHITECT, PLLC, DOING BUSINESS AS ROGERS PARTNERS.

ROGERS PARTNERS COMPLETED THE ASSESSMENT OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF NASH FARM AND ALSO COLLECTED INPUT FROM THE COMMUNITY THROUGH A MEETING CALLED BY THE ARTS COMMISSION, HELD ON LOCATION ON JULY THE 14TH, 2022, A COMMUNITY SURVEY AND DIRECT CONVERSATION WITH INDIVIDUALS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS ADJACENT TO NASH FARM ROGERS PARTNERS USED THE INFORMATION RECEIVED, DEVELOPED ALTERNATIVE DEVELOPMENT SCENARIOS, AND THE SCENARIOS WERE PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

ON OCTOBER 17TH, 2022, THE CITY COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN AND THE MASTER PLAN WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY OF DESOTOS ARTS COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC IN NOVEMBER, 2022.

FOR FURTHER FEEDBACK ON FEBRUARY 21ST, 2023, THE PROPOSED MASTER PLAN WAS PRESENTED AND APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

A PUBLIC HEARING HAS NOW BEEN PLACED ON YOUR COMMISSION'S MEETING AGENDA TONIGHT IN ORDER FOR TO ALLOW YOU TO CONSIDER AMENDING PD 1 45 IN ORDER TO ALIGN THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT WITH THE NEW 2023 NASH FARM MASTER PLAN.

DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WILL PROVIDE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE HISTORY OF NASH FARM AND THE SIGNIFICANT COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS THAT WERE CONDUCTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE CREATING THE 2023 NASH FARM MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS THE MASTER PLAN PROPOSAL.

IT DOES SHOW THE, UH, EXISTING, UH, OLDER FACILITY HERE.

UH, IT'S PROPOSING AN AMPHITHEATER AND THE THE BARNS AND THE CURING SHED ARE STILL BEING PROPOSED WITH SOME ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS.

AND AGAIN, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER WOULD GET MORE DETAIL WITH THAT IF YOU NEED TO.

WITHIN THAT MASTER PLAN, IT ALSO GAVE MORE, UH, VISUAL, UH, AESTHETICS TO WHAT THE ACTUAL FACILITIES LOOK LIKE, AS IT SAID, EXISTING HOUSE, THE EXISTING SHEDS AND THE PAVILION.

AND THE PROPOSED, UH, AMPHITHEATER ALSO IN THE PLAN WAS THE PROGRAM SHEET THAT KIND OF GAVE MORE PROJECTED, UH, SQUARE FOOTAGES FOR EACH ONE OF THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED FACILITY.

I'VE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKAGE A, UH, A MAP FROM THE DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT, UH, TO HELP SHOW THAT THIS PLAN DEVELOPMENT IS IN AN ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING SF 12 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDING THE PROPERTY.

A COUPLE OTHER MAPS FROM DALLAS CENTRAL APPRAISAL DISTRICT.

THE MAP ON THE LEFT AT THE ZONING MAP, IT ACTUALLY AGAIN SHOWED THIS SITE IS AN APPROVED PLAN DEVELOPMENT PLAN DEVELOPMENT 1 45.

THE YELLOW IS EXISTING RESIDENTIAL AREA.

THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY SF 12.

THERE'S A TWO FAMILY DUPLEX AND SF 10 TO THE NORTH.

THE MAP ON THE RIGHT IS THE CITY'S NOTIFICATION MAP AND ACTUALLY IT SHOWS THE RESULTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THUS FAR.

THE BLACK SECTION IS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY OF THE NASH FARM.

THE BLUE SECTION IS MEETING STATE AND OUR CITY REGULATIONS TO SEND NOTIFICATIONS TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET AND THE PURPLE SHADED AREA.

UH, WE'VE BEEN DIRECTED BY OUR CITY COUNCIL TO EXTEND PUBLIC NOTICES TO HELP GIVE THE INFORMATION OUT TO THE RESIDENTS OF THE AREA, UH, BETWEEN 200 TO 400 FEET.

UM, AS OF TODAY, WHAT WE HAVE RECEIVED BACK, UM, WE ARE SHOWING IN YELLOW, UM, WITHIN THE 400 FOOT RADIUS.

WE ACTUALLY HAVE 1, 2, 3.

THIS PROPERTY HERE IS ALSO

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IN OPPOSITION.

UM, SO WE NEEDED TO COUNT THAT.

ALSO.

WE DID RECEIVE, UH, ONE NOTICE OUTSIDE OF THE 400 FOOT RADIUS.

WE WILL CONTINUE ACCEPT THE NOTICES AS WE RECEIVE THEM.

AND WHEN WE GO TO COUNCIL, WE'LL HAVE A, A MORE UPDATED MAP.

UM, THIS MAP IS USED BECAUSE IF IT TURNS OUT THAT WITHIN THIS BLUE SHADED AREA THAT THE NUMBER, THAT THE QUANTITY OF LAND WITHIN THAT BLUE AREA, IF IT MEETS THE THRESHOLD OF 20%, THEN THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO CONSIDER THIS CASE.

IF THEY ARE LOOKING AT AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE, THEY WILL HAVE TO HAVE AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF THE SUPER MAJORITY OF THE ENTIRE COUNCIL.

WITH OUR COUNCIL HAVING SEVEN MEMBERS THAT WILL THUS NEED TO HAVE SIX AFFIRMATIVE VOTES.

IN ORDER FOR THIS, UH, ZONING AMENDMENT TO PASS, I'VE INCLUDED A, A CITY COUNCIL PLACE OR DISTRICT MAP.

UH, THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN DISTRICT SEVEN.

THIS IS THE DISTRICT WHERE MAYOR, NEW MAYOR PER TIM, UH, LETICIA HUGHES STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING IS ZONING COMMISSION.

MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND PD 1 45 IN ORDER TO ALIGN WITH THE CITY'S ADOPTED 2023 NASH FARM MASTER PLAN.

THIS IS CASE NUMBER Z 1497 DASH 23.

I'LL PERSONALLY ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS.

AGAIN, OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER HAS A PRESENTATION TO GIVE YOU ALSO.

AS ALWAYS, INCREDIBLY THOROUGH.

UM, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? MR. RENELL AND MR. RENELL, YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE.

I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION.

CAN YOU POINT OUT WHERE THE STREET PARKING WILL BE, UH, FOR THE FACILITY? I'M NOT FOLLOWING.

THE STREET IS THE STREET.

WELL, THEY SAID THAT THERE WERE GONNA ALLOW SO MANY PARKING SPACES ON THE STREET.

NOW MY PRESENTATION GAVE YOU WHAT THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE GAVE.

I WILL HAVE TO LET OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER OKAY.

GIVE THAT VISION OF WHAT THE 2023 MASTER PLAN FORECAST.

I'M NOT REALLY IN DEPTH WITH THAT FULL PLAN.

I CAN HOLD THAT QUESTION.

HAVE THE LARGE PORCH ACROSS THE FRONT.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR THE STAFF? THANK YOU MR. BREWER.

WE'LL TAKE THIS TIME TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT EIGHT 50, I BELIEVE PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, UM, IF YOU'D WISH TO APPROACH THE LECTERN, PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF, SIR.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, CHAIR OF PERSON, STONE AND COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS CHRISTOPHE BAUER.

I'M A DEPUTY MANAGER AND A RESIDENT OF DESOTO.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO YOU TONIGHT.

UH, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT PROCESS FOR US AND WHILE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NOTIFICATION THAT STAFF HAS DONE, I WANT THE COMMISSION AND EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT WE STAND OUT OVER 500 OF THESE CARDS.

AND THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE DONE THAT.

IT'S ACTUALLY THE SECOND TIME WE DID IT.

'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS AREA UNDERSTANDS EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY IS LOOKING TO DO HERE TO MAKE SURE WE CAN ADDRESS ANY CONCERNS THAT MAY ARISE.

SO TRANSPARENCY IS IMPORTANT TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND IMPORTANT TO US AS STAFF.

SO WE'VE SENT OUT ADDITIONAL NOTIFICATION AND ACTUALLY WE PUT A BIG LARGE BANNER, UH, ON THAT FACILITY.

THAT WAS PART OF THE PROCESS DURING THE MASTER PLAN AS WELL.

UH, WE HAD ACTUALLY OPENED THE FACILITY TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2016, UH, AND ACTUALLY GOT A PRETTY GOOD, UH, RESPONSE FROM A NUMBER OF, UH, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND OTHERS IN THE AREA ABOUT THE FACILITY.

SO JUST WANTED TO SORT OF START THERE.

I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NAN'S FARM, THE HISTORY, THE CURRENT ZONING, WHICH WE'VE GONE OVER IN PRETTY GOOD DETAIL.

SO I'LL TRY NOT TO COVER SOME OF THAT.

WHAT IS NOT BEING REQUESTED? WHAT IS BEING REQUESTED AND, AND WHY AND SOME OF THE FALSE COMPARISONS.

THEN THE LAST PIECE, I'VE ACTUALLY ADDED ANOTHER SLIDE ON ZONING TO ADDRESS YOUR ISSUE AS SPECIFICALLY AS I CAN.

SO, UH, THIS ONE WAS BUILT IN 1851.

UH, OTTAWA NANCE, UH, WAS THERE FROM THE ILLINOIS.

IT WAS A LARGE FARM, THE AREA.

AND THAT FARM SLOWLY OVER TIME, OF COURSE, WAS SUBDIVIDED INTO THE SUBDIVISIONS AROUND IT.

IT WAS, SAY, PURCHASED IT BACK IN 1975 AND IT WAS USED AS A COMMUNITY CENTER, AND IT WAS USED FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME.

IT WAS RECOGNIZED AS A RECORDED TEXAS HISTORICAL LAND LANDMARK.

SO THIS IS SPECIFIC TO TEXAS, NOT A NATIONAL LANDMARK.

YOU'D ASKED THAT QUESTION EARLIER.

AND SO IT HAS BEEN A RECOGNIZED AS THAT SINCE 1976.

THE CITY SOLD THE PROPERTY BACK IN 1981, PUT IT BACK IN PRIVATE HANDS FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, UH, BUT IT, UH, DID NOT LAST LONG AND WAS ACTUALLY HEADED TOWARD FORECLOSURE.

UH, THIS IS A MORE ORIGINAL, UH, PICTURE OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY.

YOU CAN SEE THEY DIDN'T ORIGINALLY

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A VERY TYPICAL, UH, FARMHOUSE.

UH, FROM THAT ERA.

THE COUNCIL, UH, WHEN THEY REPURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THEY ESTABLISHED A HISTORICAL FOUNDATION.

AND THE IDEA WAS THAT THEY WOULD TURN OVER THE OPERATION OF THIS FACILITY TO THIS, UH, VOLUNTEER FOUNDATION.

THAT'S A PRETTY HEAVY LIFT FOR A VOLUNTEER BOARD TO TAKE, UM, THE MANAGEMENT OF HISTORIC FACILITY AND MANAGE ITS DEVELOPMENT AND ITS OPERATION AND FULFILL THE, THE REQUIREMENTS ON THIS SITE THAT I'LL GO OVER IN MORE DETAIL.

BUT THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO AT THAT POINT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE MASTER PLAN TO HOLD EVENTS AND FUNDRAISERS ON THE SITE, THAT WAS ANTICIPATED BACK IN 2009.

UH, AND TO RAISE FUNDS TO SUPPORT THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION FACILITY.

THIS WAS THE IDEA, UH, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, TO TURN THIS EVENTUALLY INTO A, UH, OPERATING FARM IN THE MIDDLE OF THE COMMUNITY.

AGAIN, TALK ABOUT HEAVY LIFTS.

YOU KNOW, TRY TO LOOK, YOU KNOW, MANAGING A LARGE FARM IS HARD.

MANAGING A SMALL FARM IS EVEN HARDER BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE SCALE.

BUT THE IDEA WAS ACTUALLY, YOU CAN SEE TO HAVE VENTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY, TO HAVE A WHEAT FIELD OUT FRONT, TO HAVE AN ORCHARD ON THE SIDE TO HAVE, UH, GOATS AND OTHER LIVESTOCK, SMALL LIVESTOCK ON SITE.

THIS WAS THE, UH, IDEA THAT'S IN, THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE 2009 MASTER PLAN.

AND I'LL GO OVER WHAT PART HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED AND WHAT PART, UH, WAS NOT.

SO IT WAS PARTIALLY IMPLEMENTED.

AND BASICALLY WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY, THEY TOOK THE, UH, HOME AND RESTORED IT BACK TO, UH, MORE OF ITS HISTORIC STRUCTURE.

SO THEY REMOVED SOME OF THE MODERN AMENITIES, BEEN ADDED TO IT.

THEY STABILIZED THE SITE AND THEY ADDED A PUBLIC RESTROOM AND THEY MOVED THE CURING SHED AND THEN THEY TOOK AWAY THE POOL AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS ON THE SITE.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THERE WASN'T MUCH ELSE DONE FOR THE PROPERTY.

NOW, IN ORDER TO DO THIS, THEY WENT OUT AND GOT A GRANT, UH, FROM THE TEXAS PARKS COMMISSION.

UH, A TERM, UH, OF THAT GRANT IS THAT THIS FACILITY BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC ON A CONSISTENT BASIS THAT HASN'T BEEN COMPLIED WITH SINCE 2016.

SO THE VOLUNTEER BOARD, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, REALLY WASN'T ABLE TO MAINTAIN INTEREST.

UH, I JOINED THIS ORGANIZATION BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2020, AND ONE OF THE FIRST TASKS I WAS GIVEN WAS TO TRY AND GET THIS HISTORICAL COMMISSION, UH, RUNNING AGAIN.

UH, AND WE TRIED SEVERAL TIMES.

THEY HADN'T MET AND HAD A QUORUM FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

AND DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS, WE REALLY COULDN'T FIND INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE WILLING TO DEVOTE THE TIME AND EFFORT NECESSARY TO REALLY FULFILL A VERY NARROW FOCUS, UH, OF THAT FOUNDATION, WHICH WAS REALLY TO FOCUS ON PRESERVING THE HISTORY OF THE NANCE FARM ITSELF.

UH, WHILE IT IS A, A, A FARM THAT I THINK THAT THE INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY WAS, UH, BROADER THAN THAT, AND THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT HISTORY AND CULTURE, THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT.

AND THE, THE CURRENT BYLAWS OF THE FOUNDATION WAS OVERLY RESTRICTIVE.

UH, SO WE HAVE, SINCE THAT FOUNDATION HAS BEEN DISSOLVED, AND THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN WORKING ON SETTING UP A NEW FOUNDATION.

IN FACT, WE HAD THE FIRST MEETING OF THAT CULTURAL ARTS FOUNDATION LAST NIGHT.

AND THE CHARGE FOR THAT CULTURAL ARTS FOUNDATION IS TO REALLY FOCUS ON NOT ONLY HISTORY, UH, BUT THE ARTS AND CULTURE OF OUR COMMUNITY IN A BROADER WAY, INCLUDING THIS FACILITY, BUT ALSO OTHER FACILITIES WE HAVE, UH, IN THE COMMUNITY AND OTHER ART PROGRAMS WE HAVE IN THE FACILITY, LIKE THE DECI ARTIST LAB, AND, UH, OTHER THINGS LIKE THE MURAL ON THE SIDE OF THIS BUILDING AND OTHER EFFORTS THAT WE HAVE TO BRING ARTS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND DEVELOP ARTISTS FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THAT CULTURAL ARTS MASTER PLAN WAS PART OF THAT, AND THAT WAS THE IDEA.

SO WHERE DO WE HAVE, WHERE CAN WE FOCUS THIS EFFORT? AND THIS UNDERUTILIZED, UH, HISTORIC FACILITY WAS IDENTIFIED IN THAT PROCESS AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US.

SO WE TOOK A LOOK AT THAT AND WE ACTUALLY BROUGHT THAT IDEA TO THE COMMUNITY DURING OUR MASTER PLAN PROCESS AND RECEIVED A SIGNIFICANT, UH, POSITIVE REACTION.

AND WE WENT THROUGH THAT MASTER PLANNING PROCESS AND REALLY LOOKED AT HOW WE COULD DO THIS IN A WAY THAT ALLOWED US TO CONTINUE TO SERVE THE HISTORIC, UH, NATURE OF THIS PROPERTY, UH, TO RESPECT ITS LOCATION IN THE COMMUNITY, AND PROVIDE SOME NEW FACILITIES FOR ARTS AND OTHER ACTIVITIES.

AND SO YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE PLAN HERE, WE'VE REALLY WORKED ON TUCKING EVERYTHING NEW BEHIND THE HISTORIC STRUCTURE SO IT REALLY CAN, FROM THE STREET PERSPECTIVE, THAT VIEW DOESN'T CHANGE DRAMATICALLY.

SO THE CURRENT ZONING, YOU, YOU'VE HEARD THIS AND YOU'VE SEEN THIS, I THINK THAT, UH, WHAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW, BUT EVERYBODY BEHIND ME PROBABLY DOES, IS THAT THE CURRENT SITE DEVELOPMENT

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DOESN'T MATCH THIS SITE PLAN.

UH, THIS PAVILION WAS NEVER CONSTRUCTED.

UH, THERE'S AN A CARRIAGE, OLD CARRIAGE HOUSE RIGHT HERE THAT HAS NEVER, UH, DEMO DEMOLISHED.

THIS ACCESS HAS NOT BEEN PROVIDED AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A MEMORIAL IN THE CORNER.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT DEVELOPMENT OF THE SITE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH ZONING.

SO WHEN I TALK TO YOU ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WE NEED TO CHANGE, THAT'S GONNA BE A SIGNIFICANT REASON.

UH, WE WANT TO GET TO A PLACE WHERE WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR OWN ZONING REGULATIONS.

SO THE PAVILION WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED, AS I SAID, RESTROOMS WERE, THE PARKING WAS NOT CONSTRUCTED AS DESIGNED.

AXIS IS NOT DEVELOPED.

AND OF COURSE, WE PUT A VETERANS' MEMORIAL IN THE CORNER.

UH, WITHOUT GOING BACK AND CHANGING THE SITE PLAN AND THE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DEMOLISHED ON THE PAST AS PART OF THAT PROCESS, ALL THE RED ARE THINGS THAT WERE TAKING OUT.

THE FACILITY THAT CARRIAGE HOUSE WAS, WAS, WAS SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED BUT WASN'T REMOVED.

IT'S NOW EXTREMELY DILAPIDATED.

AND PART OF OUR CHALLENGE ON THIS PROPERTY IS BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN OPENED TO THE PUBLIC SINCE 2016, IT, IT REALLY IS DETERIORATING.

AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF, UH, FLOODING INCIDENTS IN THE HISTORIC HOME.

UH, THE CARRIAGE HOUSE IS HELD UP MORE BY THE, UH, VEGETATION AROUND IT.

AND, UH, IT REALLY IS UNFORTUNATELY IN A STATE OF DISREPAIR AND THE, THE MILKING BARN IS GETTING CLOSE TO A PLACE WHERE IT'S GONNA BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO TRY TO RECOVER THAT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

SO THERE'S TRULY A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL INVESTMENT, UH, ON THIS SITE.

SO WHAT WE'RE NOT REQUESTING, WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR A CHANGE OF USE.

UH, THIS IS ZONED, UH, THAT PD 1 45 FOR, UH, PUBLIC USE.

AND THAT'S OUR INTENTION TO CONTINUE TO USE THAT PUBLIC USE.

UH, IF THIS REZONED IS NOT PROVIDED, WE STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE PUBLIC EVENTS, UH, ON SITE.

UM, WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ADDITIONAL DEVIATIONS.

UH, WHAT WE ARE REQUESTING IS TO TRY AND GET, UH, MORE CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, UH, THAT WE LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UH, WITH THE NEW MASTER PLAN.

SO THAT'S REMOVING THE EXISTING SITE PLAN, WHICH HAS NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED.

REMOVING THE REFERENCE TO ELEVATION, REPLACING THAT, UH, WITH THE MASTER PLAN, WITH SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE LANGUAGE.

UH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MASTER PLAN.

IT IS NOT A SITE PLAN.

WE HAVE NOT DONE A DETAILED SURVEY OF THE SITE.

UH, SO THE EXACT LOCATION OF THOSE FACILITIES AND THE EXACT DESIGN OF THOSE FACILITIES IS LIKELY TO CHANGE.

FACT, IT WILL CHANGE.

'CAUSE THIS IS ONE OF MY PET PEEVES.

UH, I'VE NEVER HAD A ROOF WHERE YOU DEVELOP RAIN INTO THE SIDE OF A BUILDING.

IT JUST NEVER WORKS.

SO SO FOR ME, THE ROOF IS GONNA CHANGE, UH, 'CAUSE WE WANNA HAVE A FACILITY THAT'S GOING TO, UH, BE SUSTAINABLE OVER TIME.

BUT THAT'S, ANYWAY.

SO REPLACE THE SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE, THE ADOPTED MASTER PLAN, UM, TO GIVE US SOME ROOM TO, AND AGAIN, FIX SOME OF THOSE PIECES.

WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF WORK ON THAT, THAT MILKING BARN TO SEE WHAT'S POSSIBLE, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE STRUCTURAL WITHSTAND, WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN FOR THAT FACILITY TO GET THE BEST HISTORICAL USE OUT OF THAT FACILITY.

AND TO HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILED CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE SPECIFIC ELEMENTS.

UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE PARKING AND HOW THE PARKING OUT THERE.

IT IS VERY GRAVEL, IT'S VERY LOOSE.

IT'S, UH, HARD TO MAINTAIN.

SO WE DO HAVE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING GETTING TO A MORE STABLE BUT STILL PERVIOUS, UH, SURFACE FOR OUR PARKING OUT THERE.

SO WE DO, UH, LIKE THE GRAVEL IDEA AS FAR AS NESS, BUT WE WANNA GET SOMETHING THAT'S MORE STABLE SO THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THE PARKING, THE PERFORMANCE OF THE PARKING OUT THERE.

SO IT'S REALLY ABOUT CREATING SOME SPACE HERE THAT, AGAIN, IS OFF THE STREET FACE THAT IS TUCKED IN BEHIND, THAT HAS SOME SHADE 'CAUSE UH, IT GETS, I THINK IT GETS HOT HERE IN TEXAS AND WE WANTED TO HAVE SOME SPACE FOR STUDIO SPACE FOR ARTISTS, UH, SOME ADDITIONAL BATHROOMS BACK IN THIS AREA AND A SMALL KITCHENETTE SO THAT IF WE DID HAVE A SMALL EVENT, WE'D HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FOOD FOR THE EVENT.

THERE IS A DESIRE TO HAVE AN AMPHITHEATER.

AGAIN, THE ROOF HERE IS MORE ABOUT SHADE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

AND I THINK THE THING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE'RE NOT A PRIVATE PARTY.

WE'RE NOT A PRIVATE ENTITY.

WE ARE THE CITY.

AND IN FACT, UH, RHONDA, UH, BRIGHAM, WHO'S WITH ME HERE, TONIGHT'S OUR CULTURAL ARTS MANAGER.

SHE'S LIKELY IN THE TWO YEARS WHEN WE GET THIS DONE, BE THE ONE WHO'S MANAGING THAT FACILITY.

SHE'S BEEN A MEMBER OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR A LONG TIME.

WE HAVE A CULTURAL ARTS FOUNDATION, WHICH WILL BE WORKING WITH HER ON SETTING THE OPERATIONAL PARAMETERS FOR HOW THIS FACILITY WORKS.

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UH, THEY HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FOR BOTH THE HOAS IN THIS AREA AS PERMANENT MEMBERS ON THAT FACILITY.

AND THE COUNCIL OF COURSE WILL BE AVAILABLE SHOULD ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENING ON THIS FACILITY.

SO WE CERTAINLY WILL BE FOCUSED ON MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE DO OUT THERE, WE IS NOT DETRIMENTAL, BUT IT IS OF VALUE TO THE, TO THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA AND THE WHOLE OR COMMUNITY.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS CONSISTENT LED, VERY SIMILAR TO THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN.

IT HAS A PUBLIC PAVILION SPACE, IT HAS SUPPORT SPACE, PUBLIC PAVILION, SPORTS SPACE, UH, EVENT SPACE RIGHT IN THE CENTER, RIGHT WHERE IT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN.

AND, UH, BUT THE MASTER PLAN IS NOT A DESIGN.

SO WE DO NEED SOME FLEXIBILITY.

SO WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? THE CURRENT STATE OF THE PROPERTY IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

AS I MENTIONED EARLIER.

UH, WE'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR GRANT.

UH, THE OTHER FUNDING THAT WE'VE BEEN USING TO MAINTAIN THIS PROPERTY AND WOULD USE TO DEVELOP THIS PROPERTY IS HOTEL OCCUPANCY, TAX FUNDS.

UH, USING THOSE FUNDS, YOU CAN USE IT FOR HISTORIC FACILITIES, BUT THE INTENT OF THAT IS TO BRING VISITORS FROM OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY.

SO IF WE'RE USING THOSE FUNDS AND THEN NOT OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC, WE'RE NOT REALLY BEING VERY CONSISTENT WITH THAT.

AND WE'RE ALSO SYSTEMLY NOT COMPLIANT WITH ZONING.

UH, ONE OF THE BIGGEST PIECES OF FEEDBACK WE GOT WHEN WE HAD OUR PUBLIC MEETING OUT ON SITE WAS THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTED TO SEE THIS SITE USED.

NOW I'M CERTAIN THAT WE'LL HEAR TONIGHT THAT THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT HOW IT'S USED.

AND CERTAINLY THAT'LL BE THE KEY FOR US IN MOVING FORWARD IS HOW DO WE BALANCE THE USES THERE, THE OPPORTUNITIES THERE IN A WAY THAT IS MOST SENSITIVE TO, UH, THE RESIDENTS.

SO WE ALSO WANT TO, SO I WANNA BRING THAT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING.

WE WANNA SUPPORT PUBLIC USE, INCLUDING PASSIVE USE.

RIGHT NOW THE FENCE GOES ALL THE WAY ACROSS.

OUR INTENT IS TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC WITH A PEDESTRIAN GATE SO PEOPLE CAN WALK ON THE SITE.

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE NEED TO HAVE STAFF ON LOCATION TO PROVIDE SECURITY.

SO PART OF THE INTENT AND THE OPERATIONAL, UH, STUDIES WE'VE DONE HERE IS TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO RAISE SOME FUNDS TO COVER THE COST OF THE ADDITIONAL STAFF NEEDED TO ENSURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE IT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S SECURE AND THAT OUR HISTORIC STRUCTURES ARE SAFE, UH, DURING THAT, UH, PUBLIC USE.

SO AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A CHANGE OF USE.

UH, WE'RE NOT A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT'S GOING TO TRY AND MAXIMIZE THIS PIECE FOR THE AS MUCH PROFIT AS WE CAN GET.

UH, WE ARE REALLY LOOKING AT TRYING TO BRING IN, UH, SOME REVENUE TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE FACILITY.

BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE RUN, UH, BY A NON-PROFIT FOUNDATION FOCUSED ON THE ARTS AND THE HISTORY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY.

AGAIN, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS IN A VACUUM.

WE'RE DOING THIS WITH A LOT OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND PUBLIC INPUT.

UH, WE'RE ALWAYS OPEN TO FEEDBACK AND WE'LL ALWAYS BE OPEN TO THAT FEEDBACK AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND I'M GONNA OWN UP RIGHT NOW.

IT'S LIKELY THAT SOMETIME TWO AND A HALF YEARS FROM NOW WHEN WE OPEN THIS FACILITY, THERE'S GONNA BE AN EVENT OUT THERE THAT'S GONNA GO AWRY AND WE'RE GONNA HEAR ABOUT IT AND WE'RE GONNA ADJUST AND WE'RE GONNA CHANGE AND WE'RE GONNA RESPOND TO THAT AND WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD AND WE'RE GONNA LEARN TO GET BETTER.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PIECE HERE, IS THAT THAT'S THE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PUBLIC ENTITY RUNNING A FACILITY LIKE THIS AND A PRIVATE ENTITY THAT REALLY, THAT ACCOUNTABILITY MUST BE THERE AND WILL BE THERE.

LEMME TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT PARKING PART OF, AGAIN, THE ZONING THING IS THE PARKING OUT THERE THAT IS IN THE CURRENT SITE PLAN WASN'T DEVELOPED.

THIS IS KIND OF AN INITIAL READ ON POTENTIAL PARKING THAT COULD BE DEVELOPED ON SITE.

AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE SURVEY YET, SO I THINK THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO REFINE THIS, THESE NUMBERS TO, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ABOUT WHAT MAY BE POSSIBLE HERE FOR THE TOTAL OF, UH, 38 SPOTS, UM, ACTUALLY WITH THE 10, YOU KNOW, 38 SPOTS OUT THERE, IF, AND THESE SPOTS ARE JUST, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE WIDTH OF THE PROPERTY ITSELF.

UH, PLEASE RECOGNIZE THAT ON THIS STREET THERE ARE NO HOUSES THAT FRONT THIS STREET.

THIS IS THE SIDE YARD FOR ALL OF THOSE, UH, HOMES.

UH, ALL OF THE HOMES IN THIS AREA HAVE EITHER J SWING OR ALLEY ACCESS.

SO THEY HAVE PARKING BEHIND THEIR HOMES.

IF WE PARK ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET AS WELL, YOU GET AROUND 45 PARKED SPOTS.

SO THAT'S 75 TO A HUNDRED PARTICIPANTS WITHOUT LEAVING THAT SMALL AREA RIGHT THERE.

THOSE ARE THE PARKING THAT'S POSSIBLE.

UH, WILL THERE BE LARGER EVENTS OUT THERE ON A SATURDAY AT SOME POINT THAT COULD DRIVE PARKING ELSEWHERE IN THE COMMUNITY? LIKELY.

UH, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE

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SOME PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT AS AN AMENITY AND SOME PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT AS A CHALLENGE.

'CAUSE AS THOSE FESTIVALS HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN WALK TO 'EM IF YOU LIVE NEARBY.

UM, I LIVE BEHIND THE HIGH SCHOOL.

UH, THAT MEANS THAT WHEN THERE'S BASEBALL GAMES, THE LIGHTS COME ON AND I HEAR THE ANNOUNCER AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE COOLEST THINGS EVER.

AND I SIT OUT ON MY BAG PORCH AND I LISTEN TO IT.

SO IT'S ABOUT UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWING WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE HERE IS THAT THIS FACILITY HAS SAT VACANT AND UNUSED SINCE 2016.

AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THAT AND CHANGE IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING IT CONSISTENT WITH, UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE CITY ACQUIRING THIS PROPERTY INITIALLY AND WHAT'S REQUIRED BY OUR FUNDING, UH, THAT HAS BEEN USED TO DEVELOP THIS SITE IN THE PAST.

SO JUST TO REITERATE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A SITUATION NOW WHERE THE CURRENT LACK OF ACTIVITY OUT THERE IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.

WE NEED TO CHANGE AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO DO THAT IN A WAY THAT'S SENSITIVE TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO MEETS THE OBJECTIVES OF OUR ZONING AND OUR OBJECTIVES AS A COMMUNITY TO DEVELOP HISTORY AND OUR, FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

UM, QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU MR. BAUER.

UM, IT IS MR. BAUER CORRECT? IT IS.

UH, I APPRECIATE YOU HANGING IN HERE WITH US FORWARD GOING ON THREE HOURS NOW, , UM, I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T GET PAID OVERTIME, , SO WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE AUDIENCE BEHIND YOU, WE, WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION FROM THE, UM, MEADOWBROOK ESTATES NEIGHBORHOOD OUTSIDE OF THE POSTCARD MAILERS AND THE BANNER AT NANCE FARM.

WHAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH HAS THE CITY DONE WITH THE, WITH THE ADJACENT RESIDENTS TO SHARE THE CITY'S PLANS? WELL, DURING THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, OF COURSE WE HAD, WE HAD, UH, OPEN HOUSES ON SITE AND WE WENT DOOR TO DOOR DELIVERING THESE, UH, CARDS AT THAT TIME TO TRY AND GET AS MANY PEOPLE BACK IN JULY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS.

JULY OF 2022.

22, THAT'S RIGHT.

LAST JULY.

THAT'S, WE HAVEN'T GONE BACK OUT THERE AGAIN.

UH, WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT AGAIN AGAINST, ONCE WE GET TO THE DESIGNS PART OF THIS PROCESS, UH, WE CERTAINLY WILL HAVE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC MEETINGS ON SITE AS PART OF THAT PROCESS.

SO OUTSIDE OF THE, THE MEETINGS THAT YOU HAD ON SITE APPROXIMATELY A YEAR AGO, UH, WERE THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS OR COMMUNITY MEETINGS? YEAH, YEAH, WE HAD, UH, ANOTHER, UH, COMMUNITY MEETING AT THE, UH, LIBRARY, WHICH HAD, UH, ABOUT 30 PEOPLE CAMP COME TO THAT AS WELL.

SO WE HAD THAT AS PART OF THE MEETING AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER, UH, I THINK TWO OR THREE PRESENTATIONS TO THE COUNCIL AS PART OF THE PROCESS.

ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAUER? UH, MR. RENELL FIRST AND MR. RENELL AND THEN MR. BELL? UH, YES.

MINE IS RELATIVE TO THE PARKING AND I APPRECIATE YOU SHARING THE NUMBER.

I THINK WHAT MY CONCERN IS, HOW DO YOU PREVENT PARKING FROM SPILLING OVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD? UM, I JUST KNOW ME AS A PERSON, , I WANT TO GET CLOSE TO THE VENUE, NOT HAVE TO WAIT TO BE TAKEN OFF TO A OFFSITE PARKING.

DO YOU ALL KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ENFORCE, UH, THE PARKING AND KEEP IT DOWN TO JUST THOSE PEOPLE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY? WELL, I THINK FOR A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THAT 30 TO 40 PARKING SPOTS RIGHT THERE, UH, WILL BE ENOUGH FOR MOST OF THE SMALLER ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE ON SITE.

IT'S REALLY ONE, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS LARGER, UH, THAT WE'LL HAVE TO DO A LOT MORE DEEP THINKING ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE THAT SITUATION.

UH, I, I THINK OPENNESS AND HONESTY IS IMPORTANT HERE.

UH, IT'S LIKELY THAT IF WE HAVE AN ART FESTIVAL THERE, THERE'LL BE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AND IT'LL BE ON STREET PARKING AND PEOPLE WILL, WILL NEED TO FOCUS MORE ON USING THEIR ALLEY OR OTHER PLACES FOR THEM TO PARK.

UM, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA.

I THINK THAT IS A REASONABLE EXPECTATION AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO, UH, MAKE A DECISION ABOUT HOW WE LIMIT THOSE, THOSE IMPACTS.

UH, BOTH AS FAR AS FREQUENCY AND, UH, TIMING.

UH, YOU KNOW, IT CERTAINLY IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE, UH, VERY OFTEN, BUT CERTAINLY IF THE, IF IT WERE TO BE A LARGER SORT OF ART FESTIVAL KIND OF THING, LIKE AN ART FAIR WHERE YOU PULL IN SOME TENTS AND PUT 'EM AROUND THE, THE SITE, WE'VE TRIED TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY.

SO THAT'S SOME POTENTIAL.

UM, AS PART OF THIS PLAN, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAVE THE, UH, THE WALKABLE AREA AROUND HERE.

THESE PADS ARE CURRENTLY CONCEIVED OF AS LOCATIONS FOR SCULPTURE OR OTHER ART DISPLAYS, BUT IT ALSO FACILITATES SOME OPPORTUNITY FOR TEMPORARY, UH, TENTS AND VENDOR LOCATIONS FOR US TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN ARTS FESTIVAL OR SOMETHING OUT THERE.

AGAIN, THAT'D BE SOMETHING THAT WE'D WORK A LOT WITH THE COMMUNITY ON TIMING AND EXPECTATIONS AROUND THOSE

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FACILITIES, AROUND THOSE EVENTS.

UH, GOOD EVENING, MR. UH, BAUER? I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

MR. RAP NOW STOLE MY SECONDS, , AND I'M NOT GONNA PRESS ANY CHARGES.

UM, MY QUESTION IS, I'M NOT REAL FAMILIAR WITH HISTORICAL FOUNDATION, SO MAYBE YOU CAN TELL ME, UM, IS THE CITY AND UM, YOU KNOW, WITH REGARD TO TAXPAYERS, ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DAILY DAY OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE.

WHEN THEY COUNCIL REASONABLY ORIGINALLY CONCEIVED OF THIS IDEA, THE IDEA WAS THAT THEY WOULD USE THE GRANT FROM THE PARKS ASSOCIATION TO DO THE ORIGINAL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PLAN, AND THEN THE VOLUNTEER BOARD WOULD BECOME SELF-SUSTAINING AND WOULD, UH, RAISE MONEY THROUGH EVENTS ON THE SITE TO, UM, TO COVER THE COST OF OPERATING THE FACILITY.

AND THAT THE HISTORICAL COMMISSION ITSELF WOULD ACT AS DOCENTS AND BASICALLY BE THE ONES TO STAFF THE FACILITY, UH, ON THE WEEKENDS IN ORDER TO HAVE IT OPEN.

AGAIN.

THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT EXPECTATION, UH, TO PLACE ON, UH, VOLUNTEERS AND IT, IT UNFORTUNATELY BECAME UNSUSTAINABLE.

GOT IT.

AND, UM, JUST TO FOLLOW UP TO THAT, WHERE THEY FALL SHORT, THE CITY WILL MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE.

IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, THE IDEA NOW IS TO, TO, TO DO JUST THAT, TO HAVE SOME CITY STAFF THAT ARE MORE DIRECTLY INVOLVED AND TO HAVE AN OPERATIONAL PLAN, WHICH IS MORE SUSTAINABLE.

UH, THANK YOU.

UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE DOES THIS SITE ACCOMMODATE, IF WE KNOW? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOUR QUESTION IS ABOUT.

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY ACCOMMODATING? HOW MANY, WELL, HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL SAY, MANY PEOPLE CAN STAND THERE.

YOU KNOW, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN WALK THROUGH THERE? WE ARE HAVING AN EVENT TONIGHT, AND, UH, THEY'VE, IT'S ALL GONNA HAPPEN IN PRESUMABLY ONE OF THE BUILDINGS.

HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN WE ACCOMMODATE IN THE EVENT SPACE? UH, LIKE ALL OF THOSE OPERATIONAL PARAMETERS ARE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA ESTABLISH WITH OUR CULTURAL ARTS FOUNDATION ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO OPEN THE FACILITY.

I THINK THAT, AS YOU'VE MENTIONED SEVERAL TIMES, ONE OF OUR BIGGEST LIMIT ARE OUT HERE IS PARKING.

SO WE'RE GONNA BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT, UH, SIZING THE EVENTS TO, UH, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CONTROL NOISE, WE CONTROL ACTIVITY ON THE SITE, AND WE CAN MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF PARKING IN THE AREA.

AND I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER FOR YOU, UH, BUT AGAIN, IN JUST THAT AREA RIGHT THERE, WE COULD PUT 38 45 PARKING SPOTS WITHOUT LEAVING THAT FRONTAGE AREA, WHICH WOULD ACCOMMODATE BETWEEN SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 50 AND A HUNDRED PEOPLE.

FINAL QUESTION.

UH, WILL THERE BE AN ENTRY FEE FOR PEOPLE TO VISIT THE PROPERTY? UH, NO.

NO.

OUR, OUR, OUR, OUR GOAL HERE IS TO HAVE THIS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS A, UH, A SPACE.

YOU KNOW, THAT A PASSIVE USE SPACE, SO THAT IF THEY WANNA GO FOR A WALK IN THE EVENING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THEY CAN WALK THROUGH THE FACILITY.

IN ORDER TO DO THAT, AGAIN, WE HAVE TO HAVE STAFF IN ORDER TO STAFF THE FACILITY, AND THAT'S PART OF THE COST COLLISION.

, EXCELLENT QUERIES.

ANY, UM, MS. BROOKS, AND THEN ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MR. BAUER? GO AHEAD, MA'AM.

SURE.

THAT EVENING, MR. BAUER.

UM, CAN SLIDE 14, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, THIS IS REGARDING THE AMPHITHEATER.

IS THAT, IS THIS A NEW REQUEST OR IS THIS ALREADY EXISTING OR APPROVED BY THE MASTER PLAN? IT'S IN THIS MASTER PLAN.

IT'S NOT IN THE, OF COURSE, IN THIS CURRENT SITE PLAN DOESN'T HAVE THAT.

UH, THE PREVIOUS MASTER PLAN TALKED ABOUT A OPEN USE IN THAT AREA, BUT DIDN'T HAVE IT BE COVERED.

IT WASN'T A COVERED USE.

SO IT CERTAINLY IS A MORE SPECIFIC IDEA THAT'S COME UP IN THIS, UM, THIS MASTER PLAN.

SO ARE WE APPROVING THE AMPHITHEATER OR, CERTAINLY IT'S PART OF THE CURRENT MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND WOULD BE AN ELEMENT OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS.

I, I'M ALMOST EMBARRASSED TO SAY I'VE NEVER BEEN TO THIS SITE, NEVER EVEN DROVE BY OR DIDN'T NOTICE IT IF I DID.

UM, SO THESE QUESTIONS MAY BE NO, PLEASE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO SOMEBODY ELSE, BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK I UNDERSTOOD YOUR RESPONSE.

THE AMPHITHEATER.

OH, IT, THIS IS, THIS IS AN ARTIST RENDITION PROPOSED? THAT'S CORRECT.

THIS IS NOT WHAT'S OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

THIS IS ARTIST RENDITION OF THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MASTER PLAN.

I THINK ONE OF THE KEY PIECES ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THE AMPHITHEATER, AND ONE OF THE ISSUES WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS IS THAT THIS IS NO PROPOSED, UH, AMPLIFIED MUSIC IN THIS FACILITY.

THIS IS REALLY ABOUT, YOU KNOW, GIVING PEOPLE SOME SHADE, HAVING A NICE SETTING FOR A, A, A SMALL PERFORMANCE OF SOME KIND OF, WHETHER IT'S ART OR

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WHAT HAVE YOU.

BUT HAVING A, A SPACE THAT IS NICE AND QUIET, , BUT STILL SOMETHING THAT IS, UH, UH, OF A VALUABLE SPACE FOR ARTISTIC EXPRESSION.

NOW, THE NICE THING ABOUT THIS SITE IS THAT IT, ITS ELEVATION DROPS OFF PRETTY DRAMATICALLY TOWARD THE BACK.

SO IF YOU ARE AT THE, THE, THE REASON WE DESIGNED IT THERE IS THAT IF YOU'RE ON THE SIDEWALK, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AMPHITHEATER.

IT DROPS.

AND THAT'S THE GOAL WAS TO, WHEN YOU'RE AT STREET LEVEL, YOU'LL SEE THE HOUSE, YOU'LL SEE THE CURING SAID, YOU'LL SEE SOME SIDEWALKS, YOU MIGHT, YOU'LL SEE THE BARN.

UH, BUT MOST OF THESE FACILITIES WILL BE OUTTA SIGHT.

SO I THINK ONE OF MY, THE COMMISSIONERS ASKED ABOUT THE PROPOSED PARKING, THE 38 SPOTS.

WILL THAT BE SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED USE OR EVENT SPACE AT THIS AMPHITHEATER FOR, UH, POTENTIAL EVENTS THAT YOU MAY HAVE? OUR GOAL WOULD BE TO MAKE MOST OF OUR USE OF THE FACILITY FIT WITHIN THAT, THAT ENVELOPE.

AND JUST FOR, TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR WITH THE RESIDENTS, THE ADJACENT, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD, IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE, ALONG WITH THIS SOME TYPE OF RESIDENT PARKING ONLY PROGRAM TO ADDRESS THAT SPILLOVER, UH, PARKING THAT MAY BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE EVENTS HELD AT THIS SITE? I'M SORRY, COULD YOU SAY THAT LAST PART AGAIN? UH, RESIDENT PARKING ONLY PROGRAM FOR THE ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR, FOR ASKING.

THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.

I THINK THAT ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I'M RECOMMENDING THAT WE REMOVE SOME OF THAT PARKING LANGUAGE FROM THE ZONING POLICE IS THAT MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT'S THE WRONG PLACE TO HAVE IT.

IF THERE BECOMES A PROBLEM WHERE WE ARE, UH, NOT ALLOWING RESIDENTS TO HAVE A ADEQUATE, ADEQUATE PARKING, HAVING A RESIDENT ONLY STICKER OR SOME OTHER PROGRAM IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, AND IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE ENFORCEABLE THAN HAVING SOMETHING DONE ON THIS ZONING, UH, DOCUMENT ITSELF.

SO, UH, THAT'S CERTAINLY AN OPTION FOR US IN THE FUTURE TO ADDRESS PROBLEMS. WE HAVE EXISTING OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IN NO PARKING ZONES ALONG STREETS OR NO PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO THOSE ARE ALL TOOLS THAT EXIST WITHIN OUR CODE ORDINANCES THAT WE CAN USE IN DIFFERENT PLACES.

SO SHOULD WE HAVE PARKING ISSUES THAT BECOME OF SIGNIFICANT CONCERN, UH, WE CAN USE THOSE TOOLS TO ADDRESS IT.

HAVING IT IN THE ZONING, AGAIN, I THINK IT'S THE WRONG PLACE FOR IT, BECAUSE IT'S EASIER FOR US TO END ZONE A PARKING CODE, A PARKING ORDINANCE.

WE CAN USE POLICE OFFICERS TO DO THAT.

A ZONING ORDINANCE IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.

AND WITH THIS RE THIS IS ACTUAL, I LIKE IT, IT LOOKED, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT IF I LIVED ADJACENT TO IT, I WOULD WANT SOME ASSURANCES THAT EVENTS WERE GOING TO END AT CERTAIN TIMES.

UH, ARE YOU ALL INCLUDING ALL OF THAT LANGUAGE? WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE IN PLACE.

WE'LL COMPLY WITH OUR, OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.

UH, AND AGAIN, THE BIG PIECE HERE, WELL, I I DON'T THINK IT'S ABOUT THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

I THINK IT'S ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL PARKING THAT'S SPILLED OVER INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BEING, YOU KNOW, FOLKS PARKED INTO THE WEE HOURS OF THE NIGHT.

AND, AND I DON'T THINK THAT WE'D BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT EITHER.

AND I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PIECE FOR US, IS BY WE'VE PULLED TOGETHER A, A FOUNDATION WITH A BOARD THAT IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY TO HELP US MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND, AND ALSO THE COUNCIL ITSELF AND MEMBERS FROM THIS ADJACENT NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE A PART OF THAT BOARD.

MR. GILSTRAP, I BELIEVE YOU'LL HAVE THE FINAL WORDS, SIR.

EVERYTHING WAS ASPIRATIONAL.

I'VE ONLY CREATED PARK SPOTS IN DALLAS, DIXON CIRCLE FOR ONE.

AND IT WAS LIKE HELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE NO MONEY.

CITY WOULDN'T GIVE US NO MONEY.

WE AIN'T NO GRANT MONEY TAKES ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS UNLESS YOU GOT SOMEBODY IN YOUR SIDE POCKET THAT'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.

AM I RIGHT? YES, YOU ARE.

I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR BECAUSE MOST PEOPLE DON'T COUNT THE PENNIES AND THE DOLLARS WON'T COME LATER IF YOU DON'T TAKE CARE OF THE PENNY, RIGHT? THAT'S RIGHT.

SO I USED TO LIVE ON BROOK, I KNOW THIS AREA VERY WELL.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN GENERATE ANY CAPITAL.

YOU GOT TO GO IN WITH SOMETHING BEFORE YOU CAN GET SOMETHING OUT OF IT.

RIGHT? THE CITY DON'T HAVE A A LINE ITEM IN THE, IN THE BUDGET FOR THIS DUTY.

ACTUALLY WE DO.

HOW MUCH? UH, WE ACTUALLY ARE LOOKING AT USING HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX OH.

FOR THE CAPITAL.

AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A BALANCE IN HOTEL OCCUPANCY TAX FUNDS, ABOUT $4 MILLION.

LET ME HELP YOU A LITTLE BIT.

I'M AN OLD GUY.

HE AN OLD GUY.

CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY FIGURED OUT HOW MUCH OF THAT THEY WILL USE.

CAPITAL FUNDS INTO PLACE FOR THIS PROJECT, LIKE I SAID, ASPIRATIONAL.

THEY HAVE.

AS PART OF THIS MASTER PLAN, WE DID A CONSTANT, UH, ESTIMATION AND HAVE SHARED THAT WITH COUNSEL.

AND AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEM.

AND ACTUALLY AT THE NEXT MEETING, WHEN THEY CONSIDER THIS ITEM FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT, TO MOVE THOSE

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IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A LOT OF WORK.

AND THEN YOU GOTTA HIRE SOMEBODY TO DO THE REAL WORK.

VOLUNTEERS WORK WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE IT.

AND IF YOU PAY PEOPLE A NICKEL 98, YOU GOING TO GET A NICKEL 98 WORTH OF WORK.

THAT'S JUST BUSINESS.

JUST BUSINESS.

I WOULD LOVE TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE I'M AN OLD GUY AND I KNOW HOW TO KICK BUTT AND TAKE NAMES.

BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS, IS YOU CANNOT BE MAG MAGNANIMOUS WITHOUT NO MONEY.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

RIGHT? THEN THAT PARKING OVER, THERE'S GONNA BE HORRIBLE.

THAT STREET IS THAT STREET, THAT STREET IS A MESS THAT BETWEEN MOUNT BROOK AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND, AND THE PHONE.

IT'S A MESS.

THEY GOTTA CLEAR ALL THAT STUFF OUT AND, AND THEY, THEY WANT TO MAINTAIN THE AMBIENCE OF, OF, OF, OF THE 1918 HUNDREDS.

I'M GONNA TELL YOU SOMETHING.

GRAVEL ROADS DON'T WORK NO MORE.

I'M SORRY, I MISSED THAT ONE.

GRAVEL ROADS DON'T WORK ANYMORE.

AND, AND, AND ALL THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE WILL HAVE TO BE TOTALLY REVAMPED TO MAINTAIN THAT THERE'S NO LIABILITY ON THE CITY'S PART FOR, UH, ACCIDENTS AND FIRE AND, AND TRIPS AND FALLS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.

I JUST THOUGHT I JUST MENTION THAT, UH, UH, IT IS GONNA BE A WONDERFUL PROGRAM IF WE CAN GET EVERYBODY TOGETHER.

WE SHOULD HAVE REAL ORDER.

EM, LEAVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY WHEN THEY HAD ALL THIS.

BUT THE REALITY OF IT IS, I WANT SEE IT, THIS PICTURE WE GOT UP HERE NOW, THE SLAN THING, THE AMPHITHEATER AND ALL OF THAT.

WHAT, WHAT, WHAT? CLOSE TO TWO AND A HALF, THREE OR $4 MILLION JUST ON THE FOUNDATION.

4 MILLION.

YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW.

4 MILLION THAT WOULD BE PAYING FOR WITH HOTEL OXBY TAX FUNDS.

I READ SIX.

I I I KNOW I'M THROUGH MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU MR. BAUER.

UM, YOU'VE DEFLECTED AND ANSWERED SOME OF OUR QUESTIONS LIKE A TRUE PROFESSIONAL.

UH, YOU MAY HAVE A SEAT, SIR.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE HAVE 11 COMMENT CARDS, UM, THIS EVENING.

EACH OF YOU, IF YOU SO CHOOSE, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPROACH THE LECTERN AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO READ THE NAME AND I'M GONNA ASK IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK.

IF YOU DON'T WISH TO SPEAK, I WILL READ THE ACTION, SOUGHT FOR THE RECORD.

LEMME GET MY TIMER READY JUST IN CASE.

AND AS BEING AS MR. BAUER IS A RESIDENT OF DESOTO, I'M SURE HE WILL STICK AROUND AFTERWARDS TO SPEAK WITH HIS NEIGHBORS.

OKAY? ALRIGHT.

FIRST NAME, MS. JANIE BLAIR.

MS. BLAIR, ARE YOU WITH US THIS EVENING? MS. BLAIR, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION? YES, SIR.

IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE APPROACH THE LECTER.

AND MA'AM, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

TAKE IT THAT LONG TO GET THERE.

TAKE YOUR TIME, MY DEAR.

TAKE YOUR TIME.

THE BUS AGAIN.

NO, MA'AM.

WHEN YOU APPROACH THE LECTERN, JUST PUSH THE BUTTON WHEN THE RED LIGHT COMES ON AND YOU'RE LIVE.

I'M JANIE BLAIR DESOTO.

UM, JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE WHERE THOSE CARS ARE PARKED, THAT IS MY, MY FENCE.

AND ANYTIME THERE'S BEEN ANY EVENT THERE AT ALL, I'VE HAD PEOPLE PARK ALL THE WAY AROUND.

I'M ON THE CORNER OF SHADY BROOK, GREEN BROOK PARKED DOWN GREEN BROOK ON SHADY BROOK.

AND I HAD INCIDENTS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY PARKED IN MY DRIVEWAY WHEN I WENT TO LEAVE.

THERE WAS A CAR THERE WHERE I COULDN'T EVEN BACK OUTTA MY GARAGE.

AND THAT WAS SMALL EVENTS.

AND THE SOUND CARRIES OVER.

THE BEDROOM IS AT THE BACK, THE SOUND CARRIES OVER ALSO.

SO THAT'S AN ISSUE.

THE PARKING IS GOING TO BE HORRENDOUS.

I DON'T SEE A SOLUTION FOR IT.

AND IF WE END UP PAVING SO MUCH OF THE PAVING OR GRAVEL OR WHATEVER, WE'VE LOST THE AMBIENCE OF THE NEXT FARM ALSO.

SO I DON'T SEE THAT WORKING.

UM, LET'S SEE.

EI DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED A COMMERCIAL TYPE PROPERTY IN OUR BACKYARD.

THAT'S AN ISSUE.

WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE AND WE'VE BEEN

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IN DESOTO SINCE JUNE 27.

JUNE 28TH, 1990.

AND WE BOUGHT THERE AND MOVED THERE BECAUSE IT'S A BEDROOM COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE GOOD NEIGHBORS.

UM, WE COULD WALK AROUND, YOU KNOW, INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAFELY.

UH, RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION THERE.

SOMETIMES I DON'T EVEN GET MY MAIL BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE CONSTRUCTION TRUCKS BLOCKING MY MAILBOX AND THE POSTMAN CAN'T GET TO IT.

SO I CAN IMAGINE IF WE HAVE A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION GOING ON THERE, HOW HORRIBLE IT'S GOING TO BE.

UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NANCE FARM RETAINED LIKE IT IS WITHOUT BUILDING A COMMERCIAL TYPE AMPHI AMPLIFIER IN THE BACK THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE SOUND.

UM, ALL OF US ARE BEDROOMS ALL DOWN THAT FENCE LINE ARE BORDERING THE NAT FARM.

AND, AND THAT'S JUST AN UNFORTUNATE THING.

UM, ON ONE EVENT I HAD TRASH THROWN OVER THE FENCE.

UM, I HAD TWO DOGS IN THE BACK AND WHATEVER WAS IN THE TRASH, THEY ATE IT, KILLED BOTH OF 'EM.

I LOST TWO DOGS.

THEY WERE EITHER POISONED OR WHATEVER THEY ATE THERE.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND IN THE COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE GOING TO THE NETS FARM.

THAT'S GOING TO GENERATE FOOT TRAFFIC ALSO.

UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU'RE GOING TO POLICE THE SAFETY AT THE NANCE FARM.

UM, I'VE WALKED THROUGH IT.

THE GROUND'S NOT EVEN.

IT'S ROUGH.

YOU KNOW, IT'S BROWN.

THANK YOU, MS. BLA BROWN.

YOU'RE, THAT'S YOUR THREE MINUTES MA'AM.

ONE, ONE.

AND FOR THE RECORD THING I'D LIKE TO MENTION FOR THE RECORD, YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION, MA'AM.

YOU'RE IN OPPOSITION, MA'AM.

I HAVE, UH, 10 OTHER COMMON CARDS TO GET THROUGH.

IF YOU'D LIKE, IF YOU'VE ALREADY FILLED OUT A COMMON CARD, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR OPPORTUNITY.

BUT HOW DO YOU GONNA KNOW WHERE SHE LIVES? 'CAUSE SHE IS WITHIN THAT 20%.

QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THAT EXCESS INCOME, WHAT IT WILL BE USED FOR.

WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, YOU CAN SPEAK AT THE LECTER RIGHT NOW.

WE'RE GONNA CALL ON MS. JANE WENDELL.

MS. WENDELL, ARE YOU AVAILABLE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, MS. WENDELL.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES MA'AM.

MY NAME'S JANE.

I RESIDE IN DESOTO JUST ACROSS THE STREET FROM N'S FARM.

I CAN SEE IT OUT MY WINDOW.

I WALK AND DRIVE BY IT EVERY DAY.

HAVE FOR THE LAST 30, 35 YEARS.

UM, IT IS A TREASURE OF THE COMMUNITY.

UM, IT'S NANCE FARM.

IT'S IN ONE OF OUR OLDEST RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITIES.

AND IT'S DESIRED BECAUSE OF ITS QUIET NATURE, LARGE LOTS THE LOCATION AND LIMITED STREET PARKING BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE REAR ALLEY GARAGES.

MANY PEOPLE CHOOSE THEIR HOME AS TO WHETHER IT'S REAR GARAGE OR NOT.

UM, I REVIEWED THE PROPOSAL OF THE MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PREPARED BY THE ARCHITECTS.

IT WAS ABOUT 180 PAGES LONG.

IF YOU'VE NOT REVIEWED IT, YOU SHOULD.

UM, IT PROPOSES THAT NANCE FARM WILL NEED TO BUDGET TO OPERATE.

AND THEY'RE EVEN PROPOSING THAT IF THEY HOST 84 LARGE VENUES WITH 180 ATTENDEES EACH, THAT WILL HELP PROVIDE AND OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS.

NOW, 84 LARGE VENUE EVENTS.

THE ARCHITECTS INDICATED, WELL, I CAN FIGURE THAT OUT.

THAT'S SEVEN LARGE EVENTS A MONTH, EVERY MONTH, EVERY MONTH IN THIS QUIET RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.

PARKING PROJECTED NEEDS FOR 120 PEOPLE WITH TO ATTEND A LARGE EVENT IS A MINIMUM OF 60 CARS.

30, 35 WILL BE PROVIDED.

THE REST ARE OVERFLOW INTO WHO KNOWS WHOSE DRIVEWAY, OUR NEIGHBOR'S DRIVEWAY PARKING ON THE PEOPLE'S YARDS.

IT CAN ONLY GET WORSE.

AND THE PROJECT ANTICIPATES NOT ONLY 84 LARGE EVENTS A YEAR, BUT 279 SMALL EVENTS TO HELP COVER THE COSTS.

AND THIS BUSINESS PROPOSAL, IT DOES LOOK LIKE A BUSINESS.

IT'S PROJECTING REVENUE, EXCESS INCOME.

AND I HAVE

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WILL IT BE USED TO PROVIDE A MASONRY, A EIGHT FOOT MASONRY FENCE AROUND THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT? IT MIGHT NOT BE REQUIRED FOR A PRIVATE CITY PROJECT, BUT ANY BUSINESS MOVING INTO THAT AREA WOULD NEED TO HAVE TO PUT IN AN EIGHT FOOT MASONRY FENCE.

PARKING IS ANOTHER HUGE ISSUE.

PARKING ON THOSE GRIDLOCKS WILL NOT SUSTAIN OR HOLD UP TO ALL OF THESE LARGE DELIVERY TRUCKS.

BRINGING IN ALL OF THIS EQUIPMENT NEEDED FOR WEDDINGS AND CONCERTS AND ALL OF THE ALL.

NOW I LOVE N'S, FARM ARTS AND CRAFTS AND LIMITED IMPACT.

THINGS WOULD BE FINE.

THANK YOU MS. WENDELL.

THAT IS YOUR THREE MINUTES MA'AM.

AND FOR THE RECORD, YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION OF THE MEASURE OPPOSITION.

THANK YOU, MA'AM.

MR. WENDELL, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THE COMMISSION? YES, SIR.

YOU COME ON UP AND YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES, SIR.

GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR.

MY NAME IS JEFF WENDELL.

I LIVE IN DESOTO AT TWO 13 SHADY BROOK AND I'M HUSBAND.

STREETS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR A PLAN DEVELOPMENT AS THAT'S GOING ON HERE.

THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ROOM FOR TWO CARS TO PASS WHEN ONE, WHEN CARS ARE PARKED ON EITHER SIDE OF THE STREET.

THIS ROUTINELY HAPPENS ON MEADOWBROOK AND IT'S GONNA LIMIT ANY EMERGENCY VEHICLES THAT WOULD, THAT MAY BE, THAT MAY BE NEEDED.

AND I SUBMITTED A PICTURE OF THIS TO Y'ALL, UM, LAST WEEK.

I CAN HEAR MUSIC FROM THE AMPHITHEATER OF TOWN CENTER.

SO I, I CAN JUST IMAGINE WHAT WOULD BE LIKE THERE FOUR PLANS THAT ARE PROPOSED.

THEY ALL HAVE WEDDINGS AND OUTDOOR DANCING.

OKAY? SO IF YOU HAVE WEDDINGS AND OUTDOOR DANCING, YOU HAVE MUSIC.

THEN, UH, ONTO ANOTHER SUBJECT.

THE NOTIFICATION MAILINGS RECEIVED BY RESIDENTS WERE TOTALLY INACCURATE.

FIRST, THE VICINITY MAP WAS SHOWING THE WRONG PROPERTY.

IT DID NOT SHOW N'S FARM, IT SHOWED ANOTHER PROPERTY.

SECOND, NO PROTEST FORMS WERE INCLUDED IN THE MAILING.

AT LEAST SEVERAL OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT I TALKED TO.

THIRD, THE LETTER I RECEIVED READ THAT MY PROPERTY WAS NOT WITHIN THE 200 FEET AND THEREFORE I WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE 20% THAT'S REQUIRED FOR A SUPER VOTE BY COUNCIL.

I GOT ON GOOGLE EARTH AND I'M WITHIN 185 FEET.

OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S THE LETTER THAT I RECEIVED.

I BELIEVE THE NOTIFICATIONS ARE GROSSLY MISLED THE PUBLIC AND COULD AND COULD LEAD TO A MUTED RESPONSE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, FROM THE NEIGHBORS THAT HAD FAIR LEGAL RIGHT TO RESPOND.

AND THAT IS EVIDENCED BY THE FOUR RESPONSES THAT YOU SHOWED ON THERE, THAT PEOPLE RESPONDED, I WOULD SUBMIT THIS PO PROPOSAL BE DENIED, IF NOT AT LEAST DELAYED UNTIL NEW, ACCURATE, AND HONEST MAILINGS BE SENT TO ALL RELEVANT PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. WIN.

UH, PLEASE, PLEASE STOP WITH THE APPLAUSE.

AND FOR THE RECORD, YOU ARE IN OPPOSITION.

YES SIR.

UNDER 18 UNDERPRIVILEGED KIDS.

WE HAVE MORE COMMON CARDS TO GET THROUGH.

IF YOU WISH TO MAKE A COMMENT, FILL OUT A CARD, YOU CAN SPEAK YOUR PEACE.

UM, MS. JUDY CLAY, MS. CLAY, ARE, ARE YOU WITH US AND AVAILABLE? MS. CLAY, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? MS. CLAY DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK.

UH, YOU DIDN'T PUT, WHETHER YOU'RE IN FAVOR OR OPPOSITION, MA'AM, MS. CLAY IS IN OPPOSITION OF THE MEASURE.

THANK YOU MA'AM.

OPPOSITION OF THE METHOD? YES, MA'AM.

UH, MR. JAMES CLAY.

MR. CLAY, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK, SIR? YES, SIR.

COME ON UP TO THE LECTERN.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MR. CLAY CLOCK DOESN'T START.

JAKE, TAKE YOUR TIME.

THAT'S ALL I CAN DO NOW.

MR. CLAY.

GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR.

MY NAME IS JAMES CLAY.

I LIVE IN DESOTO.

AND THANK Y'ALL FOR THIS TIME.

I COME IN OPPOSITION TO THIS MASTER PLAN FOR THE NEXT FORM.

I AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN SAID PREVIOUSLY.

PARKING WILL BE A DISASTER EVEN NOW WITHOUT ANY EVENTS GOING ON.

MEADOWBROOK TURNS INTO A ONE-WAY STREET IF THERE'S TRAFFIC IN FROM THE EAST OR THE WEST.

AND THIS IS CONSTANTLY EVERY DAY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE OUTDOOR DANCING, A AMPHITHEATER, WEDDING RECEPTION, UH, CLASSES FOR CHILDREN

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AND BELIEVE ME, ALL OF THAT IS WELL AND GOOD.

BUT THIS IS IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND THERE ARE SENIOR CITIZEN IN THIS AREA, AND WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE WE JUST NEED A LITTLE QUIET TIME, A LITTLE PEACE.

AND WE CAN'T HAVE THAT WITH THE PLAN FOR N FORM.

I BELIEVE IN IMPROVING THE AREA MORE THAN PROBABLY ANYONE.

BUT THERE'S A WAY TO DO EVERYTHING.

AND I BELIEVE IT SAID DECENT AND IN ORDER, NONE OF US WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT A MEETING.

NOBODY KNOCKED ON MY DOOR ASKED ME ANYTHING, SO I COME IN OPPOSITION.

UM, THERE'S OLD SAYING THAT ONE OF MY CLICHES, MY DAD TAUGHT ME THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, AM I MY BROTHER'S KEEPER? YES, WE ARE.

SO I SAY TO THIS COMMISSION OF MEN AND WOMEN THAT YOU ARE OUR BROTHER'S KEEPER.

AND I THINK THAT YOU OWE TO THE CITIZEN OF DESOTO IN THE MOUNT, UH, BROOK AREA TO SAY NO TO THIS ZONE AND CHANGE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

AND FOR THE RECORD, MR. CLAY IS IN OPPOSITION? YES.

MS. ELAINE BOLAND.

MS. BOLAND, ARE YOU WITH US? MA'AM? DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK? YES.

IF SO, APPROACH LECTER.

GO RIGHT AHEAD, MA'AM.

UH, CHAIRPERSONS AND COMMISSIONERS, THANK YOU FOR THIS OP, THIS OPPORTUNITY.

UM, I AGREE.

I THINK THIS, UM, HIS EVENT, THIS HAS JUST GOTTEN KIND OF OUT OF CONTROL.

UM, THE ORIGINAL INTENT TO HAVE CLASSES FOR OUR CHILDREN, OUR EXHIBITS, UH, ALL WORTHY.

UM, BUT I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID HERE BEFORE.

THE PARKING, JUST NORMALLY, ESPECIALLY IF ANYBODY HAS AN EVENT, UH, IN THEIR FAMILY, WHICH IS JUST A TEMPORARY THING, UH, CAN BE VERY CHALLENGING.

AND IT DOES LIMIT THE TRAVEL DOWN THE STREET.

AND EMERGENCY VEHICLES IS VERY, WAS A VERY GOOD POINT.

UM, UH, SOME OF THE, UH, INFORMATION THAT I SAW SAID THAT PEOPLE, UH, WOULD BE DIRECTED TO PARK OFFSITE.

UH, IF WE HAVE A WEDDING, UH, THERE'S NO WAY THE AVERAGE WEDDING, UH, PARTICIPANTS, UH, AND ATTENDEES ARE GONNA BE WELL IN, UM, YOU KNOW, IN A GREATER NUMBER THAN WHAT IS PROVIDED FOR HERE FOR PARKING.

UH, AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO STRAIGHT THERE.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO FIND SOME OFFSITE PLACE.

HOW ARE WE GONNA BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT? WE'RE NOT.

AND UH, AS FAR AS AN AMPHITHEATER GOES, UM, EVEN IF THERE'S NO MUSIC, IF IT'S A PLAY, UM, THAT SOUND DOES CARRY AND WE WILL HAVE THAT NOISE ISSUE.

UM, WHAT ABOUT, UM, SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER THE, THE TRASH, UM, THE, UH, ALSO THE INSTANCE WHERE, UM, WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE SADLY BROUGHT FROM OUTSIDE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY DON'T HOLD IT IN THE SAME REGARD THAT WE DO.

UH, WE LOVE TO WALK IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE LOVE THE WILDLIFE THAT COMES THROUGH THAT LITTLE, UM, FARM INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND, UM, WHEN WE INVITE PEOPLE FROM AROUND, UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS A CRIMINAL ELEMENT THAT KNOWS THAT, HEY, THERE'S EVENTS GOING ON OUT THERE.

THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKED, UM, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.

AND THAT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, UM, TO DO BAD THINGS.

AND SO HOW ARE WE GOING TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS, UH, FROM THIS TYPE OF, UH, EVENT HAPPENING? YOU KNOW, ARE WE GONNA GET MORE POLICE PRESENCE WHEN THESE THINGS ARE GOING ON? I DON'T THINK SO.

I THINK OUR POLICE PROBABLY HAVE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS TO DO, UH, THAN IN FOREST PARKING AND, AND LOOK FOR OPPORTUNISTIC TYPE FOLKS.

UM, I THINK ALSO, UH, WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, UM, THE IMPACT ON THE WILDLIFE AND NATURE.

HAS ANYBODY DONE ANY ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES? MOST DEVELOPMENTS THAT I'VE SEEN, AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS, WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT BUILDING BUILDINGS AND HAVING MORE EVENTS, UM, THERE IS USUALLY A STUDY DONE TO SEE HOW THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT THE WILDLIFE AND THE COMMUNITY.

UM, WE HAVE A VERY, VERY, UM, WONDERFUL NEIGHBORHOOD AND PEOPLE DO ENJOY, UH, OUR COMMUNITY AND THE QUIETNESS AND THE, UH, BEING ABLE TO JUST ACCESS THINGS.

NOT EVERYONE IS GONNA BE ABLE TO PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY.

SO.

AND MS. BOLAND, THANK YOU.

[03:35:01]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM.

UH, MS. GALE FREEMAN STAGGS, MS. GALE, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME ON UP AND APPROACH THE LECTERN.

MA'AM.

GOOD EVENING MA'AM.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

MY NAME IS GAIL FREEMAN STAGGS.

I LIVE ON FOREST BROOK, WHICH APPARENTLY IS RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE 400 FOOT, UH, AREA, BUT THAT, THAT COMES TO THE MIDDLE OF THE BLOCK IN FRONT OF ME, SO I'M VERY CLOSE.

UM, AS SOMEONE ALREADY SAID, WE ALREADY GET THE NOISE FROM, UM, THE AMPHITHEATER HERE.

AND AS YOU MENTIONED, UM, SOMETIMES IT'S ENJOYABLE AND I'M VERY MUCH APPRECIATED THE, UH, PRESENTATION THAT YOU MADE.

UM, BUT HAVING AN AMPHITHEATER WITH AS MANY EVENTS AS WAS PUT IN THE, UM, THE PRINTED MATERIALS, UM, WHICH I DID NOT RECEIVE EITHER.

UH, I THINK IT'S GONNA JUST MAKE THE, UH, NOISE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, JUST TOO MUCH ALONG WITH THE PARKING.

AND I DON'T WANNA BELABOR WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS ALREADY SAID.

UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL CONCERNED WITH OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

MANTLE BROOK HAS BEEN A REALLY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD.

WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE RENTAL HOUSES AND LEASE HOUSES AND I THINK WITH THE NOISE AND THE PARKING ISSUES, THAT'S JUST GONNA CONTINUE.

SO THAT IS VERY MUCH A, A CONCERN.

I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, QUESTION.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER TO DIRECT IT TO YOU OR TO, UH, THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER.

WILL ALCOHOL BE ALLOWED AT THE VENUE? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION.

MR. DID YOU HEAR THE QUESTION? MR. BAUER? IS ALCOHOL SALES ALLOWED? I, I'LL, WHEN EVERYBODY'S DONE, I TRY MY BEST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.

I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP YOUR TIME, SO PLEASE CONTINUE MA'AM.

I THINK THAT, UM, EVERYONE ELSE HAS, UM, SAID MY FEELINGS AS WELL.

I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.

I'M JUST NOT IN FAVOR OF THE AMPHITHEATER.

SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS, MA'AM.

UM, MS. PATSY BROOKS, MS. BROOKS, ARE YOU AVAILABLE OR DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK MS. BROOKS? YES.

OKAY, TAKE YOUR TIME.

COME ON UP MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND LIKE THE MS. BROOKS.

ONE SECOND MY DEAR.

GO RIGHT AHEAD.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND UH, IT'S BEEN SAID ALREADY, UH, A LOT OF THINGS I HAD TO SAY, BUT I WANNA MAKE A CORRECTION.

WHEN IT SAYS NO HOUSE IN FRONT OF NANCE BROOK DANCE FARM, NOT ONLY IS MY HOUSE, THE FIRST HOUSE IN FRONT OF, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM NANCE FARM, BUT THERE'S THREE STREETS THAT SURROUNDS THE BACKSIDE OF DANCE FARM AND ALL THOSE HOUSES BACK UP TO NA FARM.

THE ISSUE FOR ME, AND I WON'T GO INTO ALL THE OTHER THINGS, IS THE OUTDOORS ACTIVITIES.

I, I, I DON'T MIND.

IN FACT, I LOVE, I SIT IN MY KITCHEN WINDOW AND LOOK OUT AT NAS FARM AND, AND THOROUGHLY ENJOY IT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S RAINING.

SO I ENJOY BEING ACROSS FROM NAS FARM.

I, I DON'T WANT ANY, I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE DISTURBED WITH NOISE AND PARKING AND ALL THE ACTIVITIES THAT'S GOING ON.

SO, UM, I, I DIDN'T NEED TO SAY A LOT MORE.

I HAD A LOT, BUT I THINK THEY'VE SAID IT.

I, I OPPOSE THE, THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES, ALL OF THEM.

I LOVE WHAT THE CHILDREN NEED TO BE DOING.

I LOVE WHAT THE SENIOR CITIZENS NEEDS TO BE DOING.

I LOVE ALL THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANT THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES AND THE PARKING IS HORRENDOUS.

IT IS.

THAT'S IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT MS. BROOKS.

MS. BROOKS IS IN OPPOSITION.

MS. JANICE RINGS STAFF.

MS. RINGS STAFF, ARE YOU WITH US IN THE AUDIENCE? YES.

IF YOU WISH TO APPROACH THE LECTURE, YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES MA'AM.

JANICE RINGS STAFF DESOTA.

MM-HMM, , I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH WHAT MOST PEOPLE ARE SAYING, WHICH IS IN OPPOSITION TO, UM, THE PROPOSED ACTIVITIES.

I DO HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND WHAT THE DEFINITION IS OFTEN FOR ACTIVITIES THAT WILL BE THERE AND THE NUMBER OF 100 TO 180 PERSONS AND THE ACTIVITIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT.

CURRENTLY WITH NO ACTIVITIES, JUST ROUTINE RESIDENTIAL PARKING.

I LIVE ON MEADOWBROOK TWO HOUSES FROM THE LADY THAT JUST SPOKE A MOMENT AGO.

WE HAVE NO PLACE TO PARK CURRENTLY JUST LIVING

[03:40:01]

THERE.

MEADOWBROOK IS THE STREET THAT I CHOSE TO LIVE ON BECAUSE IT WAS QUIET BECAUSE IT WAS NOT A THOROUGH FARE.

IT WAS SOMEWHAT LIMITED ACCESS, WHICH GAVE ME THE COMFORT AND QUIET THAT I NEEDED TO RAISE MY FAMILY THERE.

I STILL VALUE THAT PRIVACY.

NOW, NANS FARM ON A SMALL SCALE ACTIVITIES THERE, I'M SURE WILL BE WELCOMED.

BEING LESS OF AN INCONVENIENCE AND LESS OF A NEGATIVE IMPACT.

I THINK YOU SIR SAID, MADE A MENTION A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT HIDDEN STRUCTURES.

YOU MAY HIDE A STRUCTURE BUT YOU CANNOT HIDE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OVERALL WELLBEING IN A COMMUNITY.

LET'S KEEP DESOTA WHAT IT IS.

OUR HOME SITE AND NOT AN ENTERTAINMENT CENTER.

THANK YOU MS. RINGS STAFF.

AND FOR THE RECORD MS. RINGS STAFF IS AN OPPOSITION.

UM, FINAL COMMENT CARD AND LET SEE IF I CAN GET THIS.

UM, LEROY PHILLIPS, LEROY PHILLIPS.

MR. PHILLIPS, IF YOU WOULD, HOW YOU DOING? TAKE YOUR TIME SIR.

AND APPROACH THE LECTER.

YOU'LL HAVE THREE MINUTES TO CLOSE US OUT, SIR.

MY NAME IS LEROY PHILLIPS AND AS YOU SEE ON THE STRUCTURE WHERE THOSE CARS ARE PARKED, THAT'S THE NORTH SIDE.

I LIVE ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TREES WHERE THEY PLAN ON PLANTING THAT AMPHITHEATER BACK THERE.

I'VE BEEN, I RAISED MY FAMILY HERE OVER 30 YEARS.

I LIVED ON CLUB BROOK CIRCLE LAST YEAR.

THEY HAD, UH, SOME KINDA OPENING THERE AND THEY PARKED ON, UH, MY STREET AND I SAW THE GUY GET OUT THE CAR.

HE BLOCKING PART OF MY DRIVEWAY WHERE I COULDN'T GET OUT.

I ASKED HIM TO MOVE THE CAR, HE WOULDN'T MOVE IT.

I HAD IT TOWED , BUT IT MAKES NO SENSE.

BEFORE I HAD IT TOWED, I WALKED AROUND THERE, SPOKE TO EVERYONE AND I, 'CAUSE I COULDN'T REMEMBER WHO THE GUY WAS.

NOBODY SAID ANYTHING.

AND I TOLD HIM I WAS GETTING IT TOWED.

NOBODY CAME.

I GOT THE CAR TOWED LATER ON.

I GOT SOME, I'VE NEVER SMOKED A DRINK BEFORE IN MY LIFE.

WINE BOTTLES CAME AND THROWN IN MY BACKYARD THE NEXT DAY.

SO MY, MY BACKYARD BACKS UP TO THIS.

SO-CALLED AMPHITHEATER.

I, I DON'T WANT THAT THERE.

THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE A PROBLEM.

'CAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU TELL PEOPLE TO LEAVE AT A CERTAIN TIME.

THEY, IF THEY, THEY SUPPOSED TO GET OUT AT NINE, THEY DON'T START PACKING UP TILL NINE 15, YOU KNOW, THEN, THEN YOU GOT PROBLEMS. AND I DON'T, SINCE I DON'T DRINK A SMOKE, I DON'T WANNA CLEAN UP ANY STUFF LIKE THAT, UH, IN MY, MY MY YARD.

AND I JUST THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA.

AND I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY PAPERWORK, UH, 'CAUSE ABOUT THIS, UH, MASTER PLAN.

MY NEIGHBOR HAD IT AND HE, HE AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT IT, IT DIDN'T EVEN MATCH WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

AND, AND OF COURSE I'M, I OPPOSED, I'M, I'M AGAINST IT.

I'M DEFINITELY AGAINST IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT MR. PHILLIPS.

AND AS MR. PHILLIPS JUST STATED, HE'S IN OPPOSITION.

THAT IS THE FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT CARD OF THE EVENING.

BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FINAL OPPORTUNITY, IF ANYONE WHO HAS NOT SPOKEN TO THIS COMMISSION WISHES TO HAVE THEIR VOICE HEARD, THIS IS YOUR FINAL OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

MA'AM, I, I DID SUBMIT A CARD, BUT I CAN STILL COMMENT IF YOU WOULD.

MA'AM, YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT A CARD FOR THE RECORD, BUT YOU, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME AND COMMENT.

UM, YOU CAN SEE DR. MARKS DIRECTLY BEHIND YOU, MA'AM.

I'LL, I'LL MAKE SURE I OUT THE CARD.

SHE, SHE'S RIGHT THERE.

SURE.

MA'AM, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? IT'S FRED CLAY.

I, MS. CLAY, I THOUGHT I CALLED YOUR NAME DEAR.

YES, MA'AM.

UM, MS. FRED CLAY, I HAVE YOUR CARD.

I'M SORRY.

I MUST HAVE HAD 'EM STUCK TOGETHER.

MS. FRED CLAY, BUT I'M IN OFFICE AND DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK MA'AM? NO, MY HUSBAND.

PERFECT.

I'VE, I'VE GOT YOU HERE FOR THE RECORD.

DR. MARKS IS VOLUNTEERING FOR THE COMMUNITY TONIGHT.

UM, , ARE YOU MS. LURKIN? YES.

I'M, UH, CHARLOTTE LURKIN.

UM, I DON'T HAVE A LOT TO ADD.

GO RIGHT AHEAD, MA'AM.

YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

[03:45:01]

UH, I'M NOT A LONG TERM, UH, LONG TIME RESIDENT OF DESOTO.

I MOVED HERE FROM CALIFORNIA IN 2013 AND I SPECIFICALLY CHOSE THE HOME THAT I LIVE IN BECAUSE RIGHT THERE WHERE THOSE CARS ARE, I'M OVER THE FENCE.

AND WHEN I SIT IN MY SUNROOM AND I LOOK OUT THE BACK, I SEE NOTHING BUT TREES.

I SEE THE RUSTY ROOF 10 TOP OF THAT BUILDING.

AND I LOVE IT.

I TELL MY KIDS ALL THE TIME, IT'S SO PEACEFUL HERE.

I LOVE IT.

AND I JUST DON'T WANNA SEE THAT GO.

NOW I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT COULD BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY, THE ARTS, ALL OF THAT LOW KEY ACTIVITY I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF.

BUT THE AMPHITHEATER, THE TRAFFIC, THE DISRUPTION, IT'S GOING TO SPOIL MY LIFE.

IT'S NOT GONNA BE FUN.

AND I JUST DON'T AGREE WITH IT.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT, MS. LURKIN.

MS. LURKIN IS IN OPPOSITION OF THE MEASURE.

AND FINAL COMMENT OF THE EVENING, MISS NORMA HATCHER.

MS. HATCHER, ARE YOU WITH THIS MALE? YES, I'M, I'M SORRY, I MISSPOKE.

MISS, MISS HATCHER, YOU ARE THE SECOND, THE LAST COMMENT OF THE EVENING.

DID SHE GET ON? NO.

GIVE ME, GIMME ONE SECOND DEAR.

LEMME START THIS TIMER AND THEN I'LL GIVE YOU YOUR FULL THREE MINUTES.

GO RIGHT AHEAD, MS. HATCHER.

OKAY, I AM, UM, IN OPPOSITION OF COURSE, BUT WHAT I WANNA DO IS SAY TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, I'M LOOKING AT YOU SQUARE IN THE EYES.

I'M SORRY, MA'AM, CAN YOU REPEAT THAT PLEASE? I'M LOOKING YOU SQUARE IN THE EYES FOR A SPECIFIC REASON.

NOW, THIS GENTLEMAN SAID YOU LIVED ON MANTLE BROOK MEADOWBROOK FIVE 16.

OKAY, WE LIVE ON MEADOWBROOK.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS INVITE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO OUR HOME SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE A LITTLE WALK DOWN TO MANTLE BROOK FARM AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU GET INTRODUCED SINCE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA.

IT REALLY IS, BUT NOT FOR WHAT'S PROJECTED RIGHT NOW.

WE LIKE PEACE AND QUIET AND CALM.

WE LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE FOR YOU TO ENVISION, OKAY, LET ME JUST BACK UP A MINUTE WITH THIS, UM, PICTURE THAT'S UP HERE RIGHT NOW.

IT LOOKS REALLY, REALLY NICE.

TWO WEEKS AGO IT DIDN'T LOOK THAT WAY.

A FEW DAYS IT DIDN'T LOOK THAT WAY BECAUSE OF WHOLE, OF ALL OF THE HEAVY EQUIPMENT THAT WAS THERE WITH THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT'S GOING ALONG.

WE HAD TO GO ALONG WITH THAT, WHICH I JUST, UH, SPOKE ABOUT LAST WEEK.

BUT COME AND BE, YOU KNOW, OUR VISITORS.

AND LET'S TAKE A WALK AROUND NAN'S FARM TOGETHER.

AND HOW ABOUT SPENDING THE EVENING THERE WHEN TRAFFIC, EVERYBODY'S COMING HOME FROM WORK AND EVERYBODY DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO AN ALLEY.

THERE'S A HOUSE OR TWO HOUSES RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET DIRECTLY.

THIS IS SWAN ACROSS HERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE AN ALLEY, SO THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS PARKING.

THE GUY THAT'S RIGHT THERE AT NANCE FARM WHERE THE, UM, THE MEMORIAL IS, THERE'S NO ALLEY THERE EITHER.

SO TO SAY THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN ALLEY THAT'S INCORRECT.

THOSE OF US THAT DO HAVE ALLEYS WEREN'T ABLE TO PARK IN THE ALLEY LAST WEEK AND THE WEEK BEFORE.

BUT YES, IN OPPOSITION, COME VISIT US.

THE DOOR IS OPEN.

THANK YOU AND HAVE A PLEASANT EVENING.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

UM, MS. HATCHER AND MS. HATCHER IS IN OPPOSITION.

MR. JOHN P. INGRAM.

MR. INGRAM DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT MR. INGRAM IS IN OPPOSITION OF THE MEASURE.

I GUESS, I GUESS I NEED MY READERS.

JOAN P. INGRAM DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT SHE IS AN OPPOSITION OF THE MEASURE.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE, IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT FOR THE RECORD OR SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THIS COMMISSION? THIS IS YOUR FINAL OPPORTUNITY.

HEARING AND SEEING NONE, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 9:57 PM LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING.

I KNOW IT'S HOT OUTSIDE, I KNOW IT'S LATE, BUT WE APPRECIATE WHEN WE HAVE RESIDENTS WAS WE ARE ALL RESIDENTS OF DESOTO COME AND SPEAK THEIR MIND.

UH, WE'RE ALL VOLUNTEERS, SO WE APPRECIATE WHEN OTHER PEOPLE SPEND THEIR TIME AS WELL AND CHOOSE TO BE HEARD.

UH, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION POINTS? HEARING AND SEEING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR DISCUSSION OR FOR VOTE RATHER.

EXCUSE ME,

[03:50:01]

MR. CHAIR.

MR. P, GO RIGHT AHEAD, SIR.

I KNOW YOU JUST CALLED FOR A MOTION FOR A VOTE.

UH, BUT BASICALLY JUST HEARING ALL THE DIFFERENT COMMENTS, I, I DON'T THINK IT IS MY HUMBLE OPINION.

I DON'T EVEN THINK WE'RE IN A POSITION TO VOTE.

UH, WE'VE HEARD I THINK 13 DIFFERENT COMMON CARDS, MAYBE 14, I MAY BE OFF, BUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON LIVES IN THE NA FARM AREA AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS IN OPPOSITION.

NOW, ONE PERSON WHO LIVE LIVES IN IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF NAS FARM CAME TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

AND I BELIEVE I HEARD AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT MORE INDIVIDUALS SAY, NO ONE'S EVER CONSULTED ME.

I'VE NOT BEEN PART OF ANY MEETINGS, ANY DISCUSSION.

NO ONE'S ENGAGED ME.

THIS.

IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN WHATEVER FORM OF FASHION'S GOING TO HAPPEN, MORE SO THAN ANYBODY ELSE, THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN THE IMMEDIATE VICINITY OF NAS FARM SHOULD BE ABLE TO CELEBRATE THIS PROJECT.

AND NOT ONE PERSON, NOT ONE.

AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT IT'S 9:59 PM LET THE RECORD ALSO REFLECT.

WE SWITCHED UP THE AGENDA.

THIS IS THE LAST AGENDA ITEM.

PEOPLE STAYED HERE JUST SO THEY COULD VOICE THEIR OPPOSITION.

SO THIS IS NOT ONE OF THOSE, UH, STANDARD SITUATIONS WHERE THERE'S A BUSINESS OWNER WHO WANTS TO COME IN AND, AND BASICALLY WANTS TO BUILD THIS PROJECT OR THAT PROJECT, OR WANTS TO HAVE SOME ADJUSTMENT TO THIS ORDINANCE OR THAT ORDINANCE.

THIS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF PROJECT WHERE BASICALLY THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OF DESOTO AND THE CITIZENS OF DESOTO SHOULD BE ABLE TO EMBRACE THIS.

SO I KNOW LAST TIME, UH, WHEN WE JUST TABLED SOMETHING WE SAID UNTIL JULY 25TH, I'M RECOMMENDING THAT UNTIL, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MAN BROOK, HOA OR I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE NAME OF THE, UH, HOA IN THAT AREA, BUT WHATEVER THE HOA IS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA, WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO ENGAGE THE, THE CITIZENS IN THAT COMMUNITY, THEY OUGHT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET WITH THE DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, TO GET WITH THE OTHER PROJECT LEADERS AND TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL CONVERSATION TO TRY TO TRY TO WORK THIS OUT.

I THINK WE'RE CLOSE, UH, BECAUSE WHAT I'M HEARING IS IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE AMPHITHEATER, IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE PARKING ISSUES, IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE NOISE ISSUES, THEN MAYBE WE'RE THERE.

MAYBE WE, MAYBE WE CAN WORK WITH SOMETHING.

BUT I DON'T THINK, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSION MAY DISAGREE.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE IN POSITION TO VOTE TONIGHT.

THAT'S JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION.

YOU HAVEN'T OFFICIALLY GIVEN US A TIME, A TIME TABLE TO TABLE.

SO LET, LET ME ASK, AND NORMALLY WE WOULD, WE WOULD ASK MR. BREWER THIS.

UH, SO I GUESS I'M ASKING MR. BREWER AND OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, WHAT'S A REASONABLE TIME TO BE ABLE TO ENGAGE THAT PARTICULAR COMMUNITY OF M BROOK NANCE FARM TO HAVE THESE MEANINGFUL CONVERSATIONS AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK AND THEN DECIDE UPON WHAT, WHAT THE RIGHT, RIGHT RESOLUTION IS AT THAT TIME? I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK A MONTH'S GOING TO DO IT BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY AT THE END OF JUNE.

SO I THINK JULY 25TH IS TOO SOON.

BUT I WOULD BASICALLY LISTEN TO WHATEVER SUGGESTIONS MR. BREWER OR OUR DEPUTY CITY MANAGER HAVE, MR. BAUER, IF YOU WOULD.

NOW? IT'S YOUR MOTION, MR. UH, PUKE.

AND I WANNA BE CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT, IS NOT LIKE OTHER DECISIONS YOU'VE MADE WHERE ONCE YOU GIVE A RIGHT TO A PROPERTY OWNER, THEY HAVE IT AND YOU HAVE NO LONGER HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER WHAT HAPPENS.

THIS IS NOT A ONE TIME DECISION.

THIS IS A DIALOGUE AND THIS IS A DIALOGUE THAT WILL GO ON AS LONG AS THE CITY OWNS THIS PROPERTY.

SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN ASKING TONIGHT IS TO GET THE ZONING RIGHT, BUT IT'S GONNA TAKE A LONG TIME AND AN ITERATIVE CONVERSATION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE THIS FACILITY IN A WAY THAT'S COMFORTABLE FOR THIS COMMUNITY.

UH, AND THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN A MONTH.

THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN TWO MONTHS.

THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN 10 YEARS.

THERE'S GONNA BE A CONTINUING DIALOGUE ABOUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO, WHAT ADJUSTMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE OVER TIME AS THE POPULATION AROUND THIS FACILITY CHANGES, AS THE INTEREST IN THIS PARK CHANGES AS THE COMMUNITY CHANGES.

SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT DECISION THAN YOU'RE USUALLY FACED WITH.

'CAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, WE'RE NOT A DEVELOPER, BUT WE'RE NOT HERE LOOKING FOR A RIGHT THAT WE CAN PUT IN OUR POCKET AND KEEP FOREVER.

AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT AFTER YOU'VE MADE THAT DECISION.

WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD IS TO SAY, WE ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THIS PROPERTY FOR ALL THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, BUT THE ZONING'S WRONG.

AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE AS WE MOVE FORWARD THAT WE'RE COMPLIANT WITH OUR OWN ZONING REGULATIONS.

SO WE'RE ASKING FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET THE ZONING RIGHT, THIS DIALOGUE.

YOU'RE RIGHT, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN IN A MONTH.

IT'S GONNA HAPPEN FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.

IF I MAY, THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED.

IF I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THOSE, CAN I DO THAT?

[03:55:01]

WELL, IF IF IT'S, IF IT'S MY MOTION, I WAS GONNA EAR TO THE CHAIR.

I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU SAID AND RESPECTFULLY, I, I GET IT.

BUT YOU'RE ASKING US TO VOTE AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS ROOM HAS CONCERNS.

AND, AND IF WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY, THIS IS BASICALLY ABOUT THE CITIZENS.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT SOME OUTSIDE BUSINESS.

THIS IS ABOUT THE CITIZENS.

EVERY SINGLE CITIZEN SAID, I GOT CONCERNS.

THIS IS GONNA BE A MY BACK DOOR.

I YOU, SO I DON'T EVEN SEE HOW IN GOOD FAITH WE CAN VOTE ON ANYTHING, WHETHER IT'S ZONING OR WHATEVER, IF THE CITIZENS OF THE OF DANCE FORM HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN ENGAGED TO EVEN HAVE THEIR CONCERNS ADDRESSED.

THIS IS, THIS IS NOT SPLIT 50 50, 60 40, 70 30, A HUNDRED PERCENT OF EVERY PERSON WHO SPOKE OR BASICALLY WHO DECLINED TO SPEAK, BUT SAID, I WANT MY OPINION HEARD, SAYS I'M IN OPPOSITION.

I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

YOU'RE SAYING THIS IS GONNA BE ONGOING PROCESS.

I'M SUGGESTING THAT THE START OF THE PROCESS SHOULD BE THE ENGAGEMENT OF THE COMMUNITY NOT COMING TO US TRYING TO GET A ZONING APPROVED.

BUT THE START SHOULD BE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM FIRST.

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE GONNA BE MOST CLOSELY AFFECTED.

IT, IT IS NOT ME.

I'M A CI OF DESOTO, BUT I'M ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN, RIGHT? I GOT PEOPLE RIGHT UP IN HERE WHO BASICALLY, WHO ARE LIVING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THIS.

SO INSTEAD OF CHANGING THE ZONING AND HAVING THAT CONVERSATION, WHY DON'T WE SPEAK TO THEM FIRST, ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS FIRST, HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS FIRST, THEN ONCE WE HOPEFULLY ON THE SAME ACCORD, COME BACK AND THEN DO THE PROCEDURAL THINGS.

I SEE THIS MORE AS SOME A PROCEDURAL MATTER, BUT, BUT THEIR CONCERNS, IN MY OPINION, ARE MORE CONCERNED THAN US HANDLING A PROCEDURAL MATTERS TONIGHT.

AGAIN, I'M ONE OUTTA SEVEN, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

WELL, AND I THINK THAT THE REASON WHY WE ARE HERE IS TO GET THEM HERE.

'CAUSE THAT YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

WE'VE BEEN TRYING AND HAVE BEEN REACHING OUT.

AS I STARTED MY PRESENTATION, WE SENT OVER 500 OF THESE THINGS OUT.

YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T SEND OUT JUST 10.

WE SENT OUT 500 AND THIS IS THE SECOND TIME WE'VE DONE IT.

MR. CITY MANAGER.

UH, THE ONLY REASON I'M INTERRUPTING YOU, I UNDERSTAND YOU SEND OUT A POST CALL, I GET POST CALLS ALL THE TIME IN THE MAIL, AND UNLESS I'M INTENTLY LOOKING AT IT, I'M LOOKING FOR THE BILLS.

I'M LOOKING FOR WHO I OWE MONEY TO, TO PAY THAT.

I'M NOT REALLY LOOKING.

SO MY MY WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT WE BE MORE DILIGENT IN OUR EFFORTS.

I'M NOT BLAMING YOU.

CONTACT THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA, HE'S ON OUR KNOCK ON DOORS.

DO WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE DONE TO GET THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM.

POSTCARD.

I UNDERSTAND YOU SENT OUT 500, BUT I'M TELLING YOU, YOU CAN SEND ME OUT.

YOU MAY HAVE SENT ME A CARD.

I, I I DON'T, I DON'T LOOK AT THOSE.

WOULD I LOOK AT THOSE? LET ME BE CLEAR.

I'VE TAKEN DOWN EVERY NAME THAT'S COME TO YOU TONIGHT AND EVERY NAME THAT'S ON THOSE CARDS, AND WE'LL BE CONTACTING EVERY ONE OF THOSE RESIDENTS, EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AND EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S CONTACTED US, WE'LL BE TALKING TO THEM SPECIFICALLY AND WE'LL BE ENGAGING THEM IN THIS PROCESS.

THAT'S PART OF WHY WE DO THIS, OKAY? IS TO GET THEM ENGAGED AND INTERESTED IN WHAT'S HAPPENING OUT HERE.

'CAUSE WE DIDN'T, WHAT WE DIDN'T WANNA DO IS START THE DESIGN PROCESS AND START THE CONSTRUCTION AND THEN HAVE THESE PEOPLE COME OUT AND RAISE CONCERNS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE DOING THIS NOW.

VERY FIRST THING AFTER WE'VE ADOPT THE MASTER PLAN TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE AWARE AND HAVE A REASON TO BE ENGAGED.

WE'VE DONE THAT.

AND YOU'VE ACCOMPLISHED THAT FOR US BY HAVING THIS PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT.

SO WE WILL BE FOLLOWING UP WITH EVERY ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS AND, UM, MAKING SURE THAT WE HEAR EVERY CONCERN THEY HAVE AND DO OUR BEST TO BALANCE THOSE AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND, AND I APPRECIATE THIS.

THIS WILL BE MY LAST COMMENT 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA BELIEVE THE ISSUE, BUT, BUT THE FACT THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE ON MY SCREEN, UP ON THAT SCREEN SUGGESTS THAT YOU'RE FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD THAN YOU SHOULD BE BECAUSE NOBODY IN HERE KNEW THAT YOU WERE PROPOSING AN AMPHITHEATER.

NOBODY IN HERE KNEW THE DESIGNS FOR THE PARKING OR ALL OF, I MEAN, 'CAUSE THIS IS A GREAT RENDERING.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, BEFORE WE EVEN GOT TO THIS POINT, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM TO SAY, HEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING, WHAT WE'RE CONCEPTUALIZING? THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I'M JUST SAYING IN THIS INSTANCE, I THINK WE'VE PUT TO A CERTAIN DEGREE THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE AND, AND THAT I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT THERE.

MR. CUR.

MR. BAUER, THANK YOU FOR, THANK YOU FOR STANDING IN THE BATTER'S BOX.

I KNOW THERE WERE SOME FASTBALLS COMING AT YOU ALL EVENING.

UM, MR. PUGH, YOU WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF MAKING A MOTION, SIR.

I, I DON'T THINK I, I RECEIVED A DATE.

I WAS, I WAS LOOKING FOR A RECOMMENDATION OF A PARTICULAR DATE THAT WE COULD BRING THIS BACK AND, AND CONSIDER THIS MR. BREWER.

USUALLY HOAS MEET QUARTERLY.

WE DON'T HAVE AN HOAS, EXCUSE ME, SIR.

EXCUSE, EXCUSE, EXCUSE ME.

TO A DEPUTY CITY MANAGER BECAUSE AGAIN, HE'S IN A SENSE, THE APPLICANT.

EVERYONE IN THE IN THE AUDIENCE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

THIS IS BETWEEN STAFF AND THE COMMISSION.

SO, MR. BREWER, I'M STILL GONNA HAVE TO YIELD

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I'M TAKING IT THROUGH THE PROCESS OF CONDUCTING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THAT AVENUE.

SO IF THERE'S MORE DUE DILIGENCE NEED TO BE DONE, THAT MAY NEED TO BE DONE AT A CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.